October 20, 2024 • 12 mins
THE BEST BITS IN A SILLIER PACKAGE (from Monday's Mike Hosking Breakfast) We Lost it, Even Though We Won it/Getting All the Ducks In a Row/Maybe it Was the Wine?/How Good Is Our Infrastructure?
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
The Rewrap There, Welcome to the Rewrap for Monday. All
the best, buts from the mic asking breakfast on News Talks.
It'd be in a sillier package. I am Glenhart Today
the Solicitor General has had to have a little rethink
about whether you should be encouraging race based policies or something. Anyway,
(00:45):
Mike's got more of a handle on this whole story
than I have. I bet you might say he's had
been had been at test with it. What was up
with the Andrew Bailey thing? Not enough questions asked, according
to Mike. And we've got an infrastructure survey for you
and we'll find out the exciting place we came and
the world rankings for infrastructure. But before any of that,
(01:08):
America's Cap yep, yep, yep.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Now, there's no doubt the America's Cup has not been
like it was previously when we held it. A me know,
and seems to have published any numbers around the viewership,
which leads me to believe that outside the hardcore, most
of us didn't get up in the night to watch it.
But here's the simple truth. Most big sport that we
participate in is not held locally. It can't be. We're
not capable as a country of hosting major global events.
(01:30):
Perhaps more importantly, we don't seem any longer. Do we
even want to try? We found it last time. The
bill is a couple one hundred million dollars. We're not
prepared to pay it. Clearly Spain was Spain might again,
or Saudi Arabia maybe Britain, as challenger of record, might
want to get it to their place. We made the
mistake some time back. I was assuming that just because
we are the holders, we were the hosts. But the
trick has holders, and it's always been the case. You
(01:52):
won the event. As an owner of the event, you
can't possibly argue that it's not your responsibility to go
to the best time at the best price. Are there considerations, Well,
of course there are. Would it be nice the host
in New Zealand defended event in New Zealand, Well of
course it would. Would it be profitable though to Saudi
Arabia if they were writing a check larger than anyone else,
yes it would, But you know, consider other aspects patriotism
(02:15):
or politics of the day, depending on what's on offer.
Also mixing things up a little bit has been Grant Dalton,
of course, who was a small number and it's an
increasingly small number these days. Don't like there's always been
a tiny collective of locals here who find Grant a
bit outspoken In a sport perceived to be frequented by
a too many rich folk. It's always carried an outsized
portion of agro the old America's Cup, but history has
(02:36):
shown us the winning of it and the pursuit of
the winning of it vastly outweighs the winges. But like
most sports at the elite level, just because we compete
and occasionally just because we're good at it doesn't mean
it has to be played locally. I mean, Liam is
an Austin right now this morning, eight o'clock start time.
No matter how good he becomes, we will never see
an F one race in this country, and the chances
(02:56):
are sadly we will never see an America's Cup race
here again either.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
What a shame. Hey, I can't tell you how good
I am. That cup has sort of sailed off into
the distance and everybody's forgotten about.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
It, so rewrap now.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
So yeah, Mike's you know, Mike is not keen on
the old ethnic based, race based policies recommendations, and so yeah,
it raised a few eyebrows. Some of the direction that
the judicial salistem was getting from the Solicitor General last
(03:35):
week sounds like it's all being sorted out.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Very good victory. On Friday for common sense, the Solicitor
General fell on her sword over the instructions to the
Prosecution Service promoting race So Monday on this program this
time last week we raised it. It seemed to us scandalous.
How did this happen? How does the government so explicitly
state the race card is no longer being played in
policy settings? And yet the SG, the Solicitor General, is
saying what she is to the police, having been advised
(03:59):
by this radical sounding Maori group drummed up out of
Andrew Little's famously well catered, just as gab Fest a
couple of years ago. By Tuesday, the media still asleep
at the wheel and no one has touched it. We
raise it with the Prime Minister who forgot his backbone,
played the independence card and couldn't really do what he
needed to do, which was too close it down. By Wednesday,
David Seymour wonders allowed on the tiles at Parliament why,
(04:22):
when surrounded by the press gallery as he was, he
wasn't being asked about it given the questions he was
being asked about involved two he billboards. By late Wednesday
into Thursday, the media, God blessed them, have finally been
stirred or embarrassed into some sort of action. The Herald
tries an op edish sort of peace, quite rightly, asking
a few questions around how the SG got herself in
this mess given her experience. Radio New Zealand bumbles out
(04:45):
of its slumber and gives it a bit of coverage.
Even TV three finally slaps together a little something for
their six o'clock effort. Friday. Judith Collins AG turns up
on z B says what the PM should have said,
it's not on by Friday afternoon, very good time for
a press release. The SG says it came out all wrong,
(05:06):
it shouldn't have happened, sows about it. So a win.
But here is the issue for the government. One you
can't promise policy and approach it and if you can't
deliver it. Two, they clearly have a major issue with
the public service and pushback, so they need to do
something about that. Rightly or wrongly. The government are the
government and they make the rules. They won the election
rightly or wrongly, in no small part because of their
(05:28):
race direction policies. There is an expectation from voters that
they get delivered. But although this has been a win,
it should not have had to have been the fight
it was.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yeah, I don't know if you've ever tried to get
ducks in a row, but man, it's hard work. And
I think, yeah, the coalition government is It's not just Darks,
it's Swans, it's per Echo. They get angsty, don't they. Anyway,
(06:01):
let's move on getting angsty. This Andrew Bailey thing, with
the insults and the gestures and the what was all
that about? I don't think Mike's quote it's so interested
to know what was it about? But why people didn't
ask two more questions, Mike, what was all that about?
Speaker 3 (06:18):
The weirdest story on Friday? And I'm so glad this
has sort of died of death because it's sort of
too strange for words. And Andrew Bailey he's at some function.
He tells somebody to we f off, grab the wine
and f off, He does an L on his for
head and calls him a loser. Now that's not the
story that fascinated me. The story that fascinated me was
the story that wasn't told that. It was the story
of all the questions you had as a result of
(06:39):
the story being partially told. And surely, as the people
who told the story on Friday were telling it, did
none of them think to themselves, as I'm telling you
this story, there are lots of questions that are coming
up here that aren't being answered, therefore making the story
sound really, really random. And nobody seemed to extrapolate that
(07:02):
out and go. Now, just if you're wondering at this
particular point in time why a minister would work and
walk into a business and tell a person to grab
some wine and f off and make an L shape
on his forehead. Does that seem to you to be
slightly unusual? Is it possible that Andrew Bailey knows this person?
Do they have some sort of beef from a previous time?
Has Andrew Bailey ever been to the business before, Does
(07:22):
he have a connection with the business. Was there a
large group of people who all knew each other or
did nobody know each other? Did Andrew Bailey literally walk
into the room and, never having met the man before,
go hey, why don't you grab some wine and f
off you loser? Because that would strike you as extremely unusual.
I've never met a person in my life who's wanted
into a place they've never been to before, met a
person they've never met before, and told them to f
off because they're a loser. So clearly there's a whole
(07:44):
lot of nuance and subtlety to that wine. For you,
what sort of wine was it? Exactly was it read?
Was it white? Et cetera. So all that nuance and
subtlety the questions to the answers you wanted tonight. Now,
it may well be that the people reporting the story
didn't have a clue what the answers to those questions were,
but they would still raise it. Obviously, as you listen
to the story, you've got some questions. Those questions I
(08:06):
don't have answers for. Will continue to investigate and look
into those, but for now this is all we know.
In other words, the reason the story sounds so weird
so wacky, so inexplicable, is because most of the detail
we don't have. At no point was any of that
set and hence you were just left with this strange
(08:27):
business with Andrew going why don't you f off with
your wine and go home? And you going what was
all that about?
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Seriously, it's important because sometimes the only red they have
is a pino, and those sorts of situations, it's usually
not a very good pinot. And I can never understand
why they didn't just go with a nice, dependable Charierz,
which they probably could have picked up for twelve thirteen
to fourteen dollars a bottle. I'm pack and say it's
no under you know, feelings are running high, rewrap right,
(08:59):
it's time to play. Where do you think we rate
in the world in terms of infrastructure? Are you excited
to find out?
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Heavy outs? It's the fizz with business fiber take your
business productivity to the next level.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Now, a little bit of insight to infrastructure and the
news of the bridge and Auckland. Not to bore you
with the bridge in Auckland, but the little pedestrian bridge
and Auckland that broke down in April. We got the
news in Auckland over the weekend. That originally when we
opened up the little pedestrian bridge in the Windyard quarter
a couple of years ago, it costs bit over three
million dollars. And you think the three million dollars for
a bridge, is that a lot? It's not bad. Some
mechanical bridge goes up and down allows the yachts to
(09:36):
come in three million dollars throat down in April. The
fact that it's still broken here in October heading into
Novembers embarrassing enough. But the initial cost of fixing up
the little bridge that costs three million dollars in the
first place was seven million dollars. So it was going
to cost seven million dollars to fix the three million
dollar bridge, until, of course they looked at the numbers.
The winner's that seven million dollars about writing, turns out
it wasn't. It's over ten million dollars. Now ten million
(09:58):
dollars to fix the three million dollar bridge. Still not
fix though, Just that's what it would cost if we
had the money to spend the money to actually fix it.
So's that's infrastr ructure, and how good at infrastructure we are.
I can also add to that the twenty twenty four
IPSOS Global Infrastructure Index, where twenty three thousand people have
voted US last in the whole world, last in the
(10:20):
whole world when it comes to delivering national infrastructure projects, last,
equal in fact with Hungary thirty two countries in the SERB.
Sixty seven percent of US say we aren't doing enough
to meet our infrastructure needs, no kidding, and that's gone
up every year from fifty five percent back in twenty nineteen.
Sixty seven percent put us fourth worst, while the global
average is at fifty six percent. Our satisfaction level with
(10:43):
national infrastructure is that? Is it a low number? Yes,
it is. It's twenty seven percent. It used to be
forty six, which was bad enough. That was in twenty nineteen,
but it's sunk now to twenty seven percent. Who are
the twenty seven percent who look at this country and go,
tell you what pretty good? I mean? Who are the
twenty What sort of idiot are you that looks at
(11:06):
the infrastructure of New Zealand and goes, oh yeah, but
Alston Frenches that don't wear I'm still pretty happy? The
global average for satisfactions forty Singapore. Do you think Singapore
is quite good at infrastructure, Yes, they are. Seventy four
percent of people in Singapore think they are doing a
pretty good job. We're worse than the global average on
four out of ten metrics. We had some good performances
(11:28):
on airports. Have no idea why. The digital infrastructure is
pretty good, and I'd stand by that. I think that's
probably fair. Indonesia, Singapore and Thailand had better infrastructure in
airports than us. We are seventh best when it comes
to internet and other digital infrastructure. Our worst performances were
water supply, sewage infrastructure, flood defense, EV charging, and new
(11:52):
housing supply. And I don't think anybody would disagree with
any of that, or maybe the twenty seven percent would.
They'll be looking at the water and the EV charging,
go oh no, I'm pretty I.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Mean, is there a possibility that those people, people who
never go anywhere or do or have to do anything,
do they get like? Is it just people who use
infrastructure who got surveyed because if you're not using it,
you should not be allowed to because you know, you
might think, oh, New Zealand it's a flash first world country.
Sure we've got great infrastructure. Right Anyway, I'm I'm Glen Hat.
(12:26):
That was the rewrap and we've met with another one tomorrow,
assuming the roads aren't closed and I can get over
the Harbor Bridge and get to work.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
For more from News Talk said B. Listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from News talks 'b follow
this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
The Rewrap There, Welcome to the Rewrap for Monday. All
the best, buts from the mic asking breakfast on News Talks.
It'd be in a sillier package. I am Glenhart Today
the Solicitor General has had to have a little rethink
about whether you should be encouraging race based policies or something. Anyway,
(00:45):
Mike's got more of a handle on this whole story
than I have. I bet you might say he's had
been had been at test with it. What was up
with the Andrew Bailey thing? Not enough questions asked, according
to Mike. And we've got an infrastructure survey for you
and we'll find out the exciting place we came and
the world rankings for infrastructure. But before any of that,
(01:08):
America's Cap yep, yep, yep.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Now, there's no doubt the America's Cup has not been
like it was previously when we held it. A me know,
and seems to have published any numbers around the viewership,
which leads me to believe that outside the hardcore, most
of us didn't get up in the night to watch it.
But here's the simple truth. Most big sport that we
participate in is not held locally. It can't be. We're
not capable as a country of hosting major global events.
(01:30):
Perhaps more importantly, we don't seem any longer. Do we
even want to try? We found it last time. The
bill is a couple one hundred million dollars. We're not
prepared to pay it. Clearly Spain was Spain might again,
or Saudi Arabia maybe Britain, as challenger of record, might
want to get it to their place. We made the
mistake some time back. I was assuming that just because
we are the holders, we were the hosts. But the
trick has holders, and it's always been the case. You
(01:52):
won the event. As an owner of the event, you
can't possibly argue that it's not your responsibility to go
to the best time at the best price. Are there considerations, Well,
of course there are. Would it be nice the host
in New Zealand defended event in New Zealand, Well of
course it would. Would it be profitable though to Saudi
Arabia if they were writing a check larger than anyone else,
yes it would, But you know, consider other aspects patriotism
(02:15):
or politics of the day, depending on what's on offer.
Also mixing things up a little bit has been Grant Dalton,
of course, who was a small number and it's an
increasingly small number these days. Don't like there's always been
a tiny collective of locals here who find Grant a
bit outspoken In a sport perceived to be frequented by
a too many rich folk. It's always carried an outsized
portion of agro the old America's Cup, but history has
(02:36):
shown us the winning of it and the pursuit of
the winning of it vastly outweighs the winges. But like
most sports at the elite level, just because we compete
and occasionally just because we're good at it doesn't mean
it has to be played locally. I mean, Liam is
an Austin right now this morning, eight o'clock start time.
No matter how good he becomes, we will never see
an F one race in this country, and the chances
(02:56):
are sadly we will never see an America's Cup race
here again either.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
What a shame. Hey, I can't tell you how good
I am. That cup has sort of sailed off into
the distance and everybody's forgotten about.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
It, so rewrap now.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
So yeah, Mike's you know, Mike is not keen on
the old ethnic based, race based policies recommendations, and so yeah,
it raised a few eyebrows. Some of the direction that
the judicial salistem was getting from the Solicitor General last
(03:35):
week sounds like it's all being sorted out.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Very good victory. On Friday for common sense, the Solicitor
General fell on her sword over the instructions to the
Prosecution Service promoting race So Monday on this program this
time last week we raised it. It seemed to us scandalous.
How did this happen? How does the government so explicitly
state the race card is no longer being played in
policy settings? And yet the SG, the Solicitor General, is
saying what she is to the police, having been advised
(03:59):
by this radical sounding Maori group drummed up out of
Andrew Little's famously well catered, just as gab Fest a
couple of years ago. By Tuesday, the media still asleep
at the wheel and no one has touched it. We
raise it with the Prime Minister who forgot his backbone,
played the independence card and couldn't really do what he
needed to do, which was too close it down. By Wednesday,
David Seymour wonders allowed on the tiles at Parliament why,
(04:22):
when surrounded by the press gallery as he was, he
wasn't being asked about it given the questions he was
being asked about involved two he billboards. By late Wednesday
into Thursday, the media, God blessed them, have finally been
stirred or embarrassed into some sort of action. The Herald
tries an op edish sort of peace, quite rightly, asking
a few questions around how the SG got herself in
this mess given her experience. Radio New Zealand bumbles out
(04:45):
of its slumber and gives it a bit of coverage.
Even TV three finally slaps together a little something for
their six o'clock effort. Friday. Judith Collins AG turns up
on z B says what the PM should have said,
it's not on by Friday afternoon, very good time for
a press release. The SG says it came out all wrong,
(05:06):
it shouldn't have happened, sows about it. So a win.
But here is the issue for the government. One you
can't promise policy and approach it and if you can't
deliver it. Two, they clearly have a major issue with
the public service and pushback, so they need to do
something about that. Rightly or wrongly. The government are the
government and they make the rules. They won the election
rightly or wrongly, in no small part because of their
(05:28):
race direction policies. There is an expectation from voters that
they get delivered. But although this has been a win,
it should not have had to have been the fight
it was.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yeah, I don't know if you've ever tried to get
ducks in a row, but man, it's hard work. And
I think, yeah, the coalition government is It's not just Darks,
it's Swans, it's per Echo. They get angsty, don't they. Anyway,
(06:01):
let's move on getting angsty. This Andrew Bailey thing, with
the insults and the gestures and the what was all
that about? I don't think Mike's quote it's so interested
to know what was it about? But why people didn't
ask two more questions, Mike, what was all that about?
Speaker 3 (06:18):
The weirdest story on Friday? And I'm so glad this
has sort of died of death because it's sort of
too strange for words. And Andrew Bailey he's at some function.
He tells somebody to we f off, grab the wine
and f off, He does an L on his for
head and calls him a loser. Now that's not the
story that fascinated me. The story that fascinated me was
the story that wasn't told that. It was the story
of all the questions you had as a result of
(06:39):
the story being partially told. And surely, as the people
who told the story on Friday were telling it, did
none of them think to themselves, as I'm telling you
this story, there are lots of questions that are coming
up here that aren't being answered, therefore making the story
sound really, really random. And nobody seemed to extrapolate that
(07:02):
out and go. Now, just if you're wondering at this
particular point in time why a minister would work and
walk into a business and tell a person to grab
some wine and f off and make an L shape
on his forehead. Does that seem to you to be
slightly unusual? Is it possible that Andrew Bailey knows this person?
Do they have some sort of beef from a previous time?
Has Andrew Bailey ever been to the business before, Does
(07:22):
he have a connection with the business. Was there a
large group of people who all knew each other or
did nobody know each other? Did Andrew Bailey literally walk
into the room and, never having met the man before,
go hey, why don't you grab some wine and f
off you loser? Because that would strike you as extremely unusual.
I've never met a person in my life who's wanted
into a place they've never been to before, met a
person they've never met before, and told them to f
off because they're a loser. So clearly there's a whole
(07:44):
lot of nuance and subtlety to that wine. For you,
what sort of wine was it? Exactly was it read?
Was it white? Et cetera. So all that nuance and
subtlety the questions to the answers you wanted tonight. Now,
it may well be that the people reporting the story
didn't have a clue what the answers to those questions were,
but they would still raise it. Obviously, as you listen
to the story, you've got some questions. Those questions I
(08:06):
don't have answers for. Will continue to investigate and look
into those, but for now this is all we know.
In other words, the reason the story sounds so weird
so wacky, so inexplicable, is because most of the detail
we don't have. At no point was any of that
set and hence you were just left with this strange
(08:27):
business with Andrew going why don't you f off with
your wine and go home? And you going what was
all that about?
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Seriously, it's important because sometimes the only red they have
is a pino, and those sorts of situations, it's usually
not a very good pinot. And I can never understand
why they didn't just go with a nice, dependable Charierz,
which they probably could have picked up for twelve thirteen
to fourteen dollars a bottle. I'm pack and say it's
no under you know, feelings are running high, rewrap right,
(08:59):
it's time to play. Where do you think we rate
in the world in terms of infrastructure? Are you excited
to find out?
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Heavy outs? It's the fizz with business fiber take your
business productivity to the next level.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Now, a little bit of insight to infrastructure and the
news of the bridge and Auckland. Not to bore you
with the bridge in Auckland, but the little pedestrian bridge
and Auckland that broke down in April. We got the
news in Auckland over the weekend. That originally when we
opened up the little pedestrian bridge in the Windyard quarter
a couple of years ago, it costs bit over three
million dollars. And you think the three million dollars for
a bridge, is that a lot? It's not bad. Some
mechanical bridge goes up and down allows the yachts to
(09:36):
come in three million dollars throat down in April. The
fact that it's still broken here in October heading into
Novembers embarrassing enough. But the initial cost of fixing up
the little bridge that costs three million dollars in the
first place was seven million dollars. So it was going
to cost seven million dollars to fix the three million
dollar bridge, until, of course they looked at the numbers.
The winner's that seven million dollars about writing, turns out
it wasn't. It's over ten million dollars. Now ten million
(09:58):
dollars to fix the three million dollar bridge. Still not
fix though, Just that's what it would cost if we
had the money to spend the money to actually fix it.
So's that's infrastr ructure, and how good at infrastructure we are.
I can also add to that the twenty twenty four
IPSOS Global Infrastructure Index, where twenty three thousand people have
voted US last in the whole world, last in the
(10:20):
whole world when it comes to delivering national infrastructure projects, last,
equal in fact with Hungary thirty two countries in the SERB.
Sixty seven percent of US say we aren't doing enough
to meet our infrastructure needs, no kidding, and that's gone
up every year from fifty five percent back in twenty nineteen.
Sixty seven percent put us fourth worst, while the global
average is at fifty six percent. Our satisfaction level with
(10:43):
national infrastructure is that? Is it a low number? Yes,
it is. It's twenty seven percent. It used to be
forty six, which was bad enough. That was in twenty nineteen,
but it's sunk now to twenty seven percent. Who are
the twenty seven percent who look at this country and go,
tell you what pretty good? I mean? Who are the
twenty What sort of idiot are you that looks at
(11:06):
the infrastructure of New Zealand and goes, oh yeah, but
Alston Frenches that don't wear I'm still pretty happy? The
global average for satisfactions forty Singapore. Do you think Singapore
is quite good at infrastructure, Yes, they are. Seventy four
percent of people in Singapore think they are doing a
pretty good job. We're worse than the global average on
four out of ten metrics. We had some good performances
(11:28):
on airports. Have no idea why. The digital infrastructure is
pretty good, and I'd stand by that. I think that's
probably fair. Indonesia, Singapore and Thailand had better infrastructure in
airports than us. We are seventh best when it comes
to internet and other digital infrastructure. Our worst performances were
water supply, sewage infrastructure, flood defense, EV charging, and new
(11:52):
housing supply. And I don't think anybody would disagree with
any of that, or maybe the twenty seven percent would.
They'll be looking at the water and the EV charging,
go oh no, I'm pretty I.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Mean, is there a possibility that those people, people who
never go anywhere or do or have to do anything,
do they get like? Is it just people who use
infrastructure who got surveyed because if you're not using it,
you should not be allowed to because you know, you
might think, oh, New Zealand it's a flash first world country.
Sure we've got great infrastructure. Right Anyway, I'm I'm Glen Hat.
(12:26):
That was the rewrap and we've met with another one tomorrow,
assuming the roads aren't closed and I can get over
the Harbor Bridge and get to work.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
For more from News Talk said B. Listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
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