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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Rewrap Okay there and welcome to the rewrap for Thursday.
All the best, but it's from the mic asking breakfast
on newsbooks. It'd be in a sillier package. I am
glen Hart today.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Yay.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
The fuel shortage is over in most places, if it
ever was happening in the first place. The RBNZ came
out for a chat yesterday. Mike's pretty keen on that
to talk about that. And there's a cyclone coming or
maybe it might be coming, and it might be a
cyclone by the time it gets yet. But before any

(00:55):
of that, the cease fire, that's something that's definitely happening
sort of as well.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
So it was four to six weeks then, wasn't it.
Why Because from the earliest of days around had little
of anything to retaliate with America would be able in
one way or another to claim at some point victory.
These specifics of the victory were not important, the same
way Gaza now long forgotten and as En trails were
not important either. The war ends, we move on. What
went wrong was, of course the strait, a stunning miscalculation,

(01:22):
but one nevertheless that has been sorted hopefully. At all times,
as we said over and over, America needed out. The
pain was too high, the markets were too low, the
midterms were too close. All these sort of conflicts end
in a moment. The amount of drama attached to the
moment varies. In this case, you had a regime that
would happily have been pummeled if only they could re

(01:42):
emerge from the rubble and say they'd survived against a
regime that essentially won the military bit within a week,
but had miscalculated a couple of details that bogged them down.
Trump's desperation was shown over the past forty eight hours
in a press conference in a social media post, so
desperate the panic has rolled out the twenty fifth Amendment argument.
This whole thing never had the legs to go past

(02:03):
six weeks. America was never invading Iran was never giving up.
But it was always fairly clear that both positions would
be established and exhausted fairly quickly. For those who argue
this is a cease fire, not the end, you probably
argue this was going to expand as well and become
world War three. It wasn't It isn't. This will be
it the same way Iraq was that Syria was that.
Pick you war, pick your attack. It always ends the

(02:24):
same way. The world is not ready to end itself,
as hapless and hopeless as parts are.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Self.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
Destruction is beyond us, except possibly people like the Iranians, who,
with the right weaponry may well not care. But then
that's why this whole thing started in the first place,
wasn't it. Both will claim victory and indeed are. There
may be skirmishes or two for the following few days,
but the strait is open ish. The signs of a
relief are real. The clock ticked at thirty days and
then stopped five weeks three days. As mad as the

(02:54):
Americans might have seemed at times, you don't say four
to six if you don't have a plan and a timeline,
and if you don't know, you don't promise.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yeah, everything's fine. I mean that two hundred fifty four
by last Canada deadly with these people from the bombing
that Israel has been doing overnight, they're not as fine
minus kirmsh. Don't worry about it.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
It's so rewrap right.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
So if this particular conflict has taught us anything. It's
that we love We love oil oil. You complete me.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
Do you think we will learn some lessons or change
our mind now that the war is essentially over. Do
we need to be more oil independent or overall? Is
the way we do it? For good reason? It is
cheaper to buy a refined product. Do we need to
seek out new markets for products that have previously been
brought blindly through this thing called the strait? You know,
your plastics, gas and stuff like that. See in Canada,

(04:00):
the left leaners are in a lather at the moment.
The NDP, the new Democrats, they've got a new leader,
very green, very pro climate change. He's in trouble because
as party leaders in places like Alberta and Saskatchewan, they're
riding the oil wave. At the moment, Alberta's deficit has
been literally wiped out as oil money rolls in in
a way they never forecast. So you see, you can
be a lefty but still understand the economic reality of

(04:22):
not necessity of fossil fuels. You may not like them,
but they work, and they needed and they pay the bills.
See here's surely if we've learnt nothing else. It's just
how dependent we are still on that, this stuff that
we allegedly hate that we can't get rid of fast enough.
Thought we were living without power, fortunately for us is renewable.
Broadly that's good. But cars very quickly was determined are

(04:46):
no such thing, and more importantly, nothing that carried anything
was an ev Trucks, cranes, diggers. Industry generally is a
fossil fuel game and it's not changing. Would we not
be better to accept that and get on with it
rather than wrestling clearly, hopelessly with an ideology that when
push came to shof got found wanting badly. Quote of
the week for me came from plastics New Zealand. Plastics

(05:09):
are in everything, she said. Whoops? Thought getting rid of
the straws and the supermarket bags?

Speaker 1 (05:14):
Was it?

Speaker 3 (05:15):
Small problem though with the down pipes pipes in general,
not just through the straight but plastic. I mean, are
we making pipes out of paper as well?

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Are we?

Speaker 3 (05:23):
Where are the renewable pipes? So how about we accept
that as well? Plastic is real. It isn't going anywhere.
COVID Seas sort of gave us a taste of this
when we closed the place down a mission started dropping,
but the war has been a better wake up call.
I think our actions don't match our words. The conversation
has been hijacked by zealots. We are doing our bit

(05:44):
for climate and that's good, but we are not getting
rid of plastic and we are not moving on from oil.
We are not giving up the stuff that makes the
world go round in life actually work. In these past
five and a bit weeks, reality has had its mic
drop moment.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
I had to laugh, I'm going to really put peel
back the curtain. Behind the scenes this morning, Mike I
was complain about how media organizations like the New Zealand
Herald go completely crazy for weather stories and we'll get
to weather stories later on, and just just to make

(06:21):
it back because of course, you know, and pining with
a carnage definitely gets your clicks, and clicks makes your money.
So I thought that that was ironic that he then
would go on here and say, you don't worry about
saving the planet because oil makes your money, gets the

(06:43):
money gives the money machine. We're rolling around he and
somebody said to me, do you think he should point
that out to him? There? Irony? And I see that
I'll just point it out to you guys. This did
so Yeah Australia, but they love the fossil fuels and
stuff for sure.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
I didn't realize this, but the fuel cost thing in Australia,
I think it's broadly accepted that Australia's made a much
worse job of it than we have in terms of
government instruction. But the Workplace Minister yesterday, a woman called Amanda,
issued a draft determination that basically trucks and small trucking

(07:22):
firms shouldn't have to pay for the increased cost of cartage.
So if prices go up beyond a contracted price, the
company sending the goods would have to cover the cost,
as opposed to a small truck and logistics operator. So
you've got a deal until you haven't got a deal
until the government steps in to tell you your deal is

(07:42):
no longer a deal. I mean, what sort of mental
economic management is that? How do you run a business
when you think you've got an arrangement but suddenly Elbow
and cambrid goes no, we're going to do it differently.
How do you run an economy like that?

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Oh man, listen to that made my head hurt. It
was almost as confusing as to try and work out
whether Easter Sunday is a public holiday or not, and
whether you should be getting time and a half depending
on whether or not you took the day off if
you're a casual worker a full time worker. It's just
some of the conversations that are going on in my
house at the moment. I don't know about you. The
re wrap right, so the economy was coming right, and

(08:19):
then Iran happened, and now it's on the verge of
not happening anymore. So does doctor Bremen and the RBNZID
can they help with any of that?

Speaker 3 (08:30):
Just a couple of moms just to reiterate this was
new yesterday they held a press conference. They should hold
a press conference and knew heard they will do from
here on and every time the Reserve Bank speaks, they
should hold a press conference. Why because we're better informed,
because it's live, it's streaming. Otherwise you're just relying on
journalists to maybe or maybe not pick out bits that
maybe maybe not relevant, and you won't truly get to

(08:50):
make up your own mind. And the reason I say
that is it became very clear to me yesterday. Unfortunately,
that there were journalists in that press conference it was
done largely via zoom, that didn't understand the difference of
what they were seeing between an update and in a statement,
a review and a statement, and they were asking questions
of the Reserve Bank governor that they shouldn't have been

(09:11):
asking because there wasn't the data there, because that's not
what they put out on the day. Now, that worries
me that there are journalists who allegedly cover the Reserve
Bank and don't understand how it works. Also worrying me
yesterday but also amusing me were the journalists who didn't
understand how to use zoom. And I would have thought
COVID once and for all well and truly taught us

(09:33):
how to use zoom. But the opening question, I can't
remember who it was, and I don't want to embarrass them,
but they went to the first person. The first person
was Brian Brian from Reuter's Silence, Hello, Hello, can you
hear me? And I'm thinking, come on, people are watching
this from around the world. And that's before you got
to poor old Bernard Hickey. Bernard Hickey, Bernard, your question, silence, Bernard,

(09:56):
You're on mute, and so it went.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
I mean, it is amazing how unprepared people are with
online meetings even now. A lot of the time I
go to a lot of sort of virtual brief things
in my other roles as a tech reviewer for newstalk
ZB dot co, do on NZ look up technology for
technology page, some great useful reviews on there. I do

(10:19):
say so anyway, that's not really the point. The point
of this was that I go to a lot of
tech briefings about products and things like that, and so
there are other tech journalists like these are real journalists,
not just made up people like me. And how often
they get it wrong with that, you know, when they
should and shouldn't be muted and have their cameras on

(10:40):
and shouldn't have their cameras on, and we can't hear them,
they can't hear us. And these are tech journalists, I
say again, tech journalists. I mean, I find it amusing,
but there you go, rewrap. Another thing I find amusing
is watching Mike lose his mind about other people losing

(11:01):
their mind about the weather.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
I don't know if you're aware of it. You should be,
because the digital media has gone mentally on it over
the past weeks. For as I can work out, we are,
of course in for a cyclone this coming Sunday. Whether
it's actually a cyclone on Sunday by the time it
gets out of the tropics and into this particular part
of the world is still yet to be determined. In fact,
the entire exercise, as far as I can work out,
is still yet to be determined. In other words, they

(11:24):
still don't know where it's going to land, and so
they then place the entire North Island under a watch. Yesterday,
which quite rightly is Brian Mercer from the Forecasting Service
said yesterday, I don't think we've done that before. No,
you haven't, and that's because we've become this lily livid, spineless,
ballless society in which we fester on becoming scared and

(11:47):
angsty days in advance of something that may or may
not happen. Now, if there's a cyclone on Sunday, no problem.
When you know when it's arriving and in what ferocity,
please let us know. That's what your service is and
the media go here.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Now.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
Do not spend the next several days building up to
something that you don't know what it is at the moment.
Quote unquote, it's too soon to say various models are
still showing different tracks. Cool, then don't say anything. When
your model says what it is and where it is
and when it is and wide is and how it is,

(12:21):
let us know in the meantime, shut up. Mercer said,
although different tracks were being shown and modeling, it was
very You cannot you cannot make this up. I quote
once again, it is very likely somewhere in the North
Ireland would get strong winds in heavy rain. That's a

(12:44):
specialist who knows nothing at this particular point in time. Therefore,
why is he in the news.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Is a category two cyclone still really a cyclone? Or
is it just a big storm? At that point? When
does it stop being a cyclone and go back to
just being some nasty weather. I'm not don't get me wrong.
I don't want to be unprepared and I don't want

(13:11):
my house to blow away. I don't understand why people
don't always have their trampolines tied down and always have
their gutters clean, whether there's a storm or not or
sorry a cyclone. A friend of mine texted after Mike

(13:33):
made those comments, texted me not the show and wanted
me to pass on. He hopes Mike doesn't end up
having to run to Bunnings to get things for his
sparf all cover. It was a bit of a confusing text,
so he was talking about headless statues as well. I
don't I just text it back. I think most of Mike'
stuff's pretty heavy and probably won't blow away anyway. I

(13:58):
think that's the lesson we really should take away from
all this today is you just invest in heavier stuff,
and I think then you'll be okay for the most part.
And with that advice, I'll leave it be here and
we'll pick it up again tomorrow if we can. If
it's not too heavy, it's here then.

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