April 4, 2026 • 14 mins
The Te Araroa trail, running between Cape Reinga and Bluff, is one of the world’s most diverse long distance walks - and it's since inspired director Bart Schrijver.
The trail inspired his latest film The North - in cinemas now - which has been referred to as the ultimate hiking film.
Schrijver says hiking the trail was an 'interesting' experience, and it helped inspire the journey of the characters in the film.
"When we were walking, I was 26, 27 - and still not really knowing what I wanted to do, and then Neil, my friend, did an internship and was looking for a job, we were on this point where we were diverging into different lives. And now...the lives of us were so different."
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudkin
from News Talks EDB.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
The tier Adawa Trail, running between Cape Rianga and Bluff,
is one of the world's most diverse long distance walks.
It's not for the faint hearted, so it's interested to see.
It has had one of its busiest years yet, with
more than two thousand people completing the trail. Someone who
has just who has undertaken the trek is film director
Bat Shreither. The trail inspired his latest filmed The North,
(00:36):
which has been referred to as the ultimate hiking film.
The North is in cinemas now and Bart joins me, welcome,
Thank you, love you to have you back in New Zealand,
because you are no stranger to the place you walk.
The Aradowa Trail, the three thousand kilometer hiking trail, the
length of New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Thousand did you what did you end up walking? I
have no idea, no, but a three thousand. It doesn't
matter if it's three thousand or three and a half
or seven hundred and fifty kilometers, it's already yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Crazy, When did you do that?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
In twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen. Yeah, what was it like? Yeah,
that's that's well. I already made two films about this,
you know, so to kind of try to explain what
it's like is so tricky. I think it's how do
you explain the last four year four months of your life?
How were how were those four months? It's also yeah,
(01:29):
it's it's it was. It's life changing in a sense,
and it's yeah, difficult, too difficult to describe, but very special.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Why did you choose this trial? How did it come about?
Speaker 3 (01:40):
It was? It was sort of an accident, not it
was me and a friend to the friend that I
walked to the with. We were having a beer and
he just finished his internship, or he was going to
finish it in like half a year, and he wanted
to go travel a lot. And we were having a
beer and he said, I want to go in nature things.
And I said, oh, you have these these great long
walks all over the world. So we started looking them
(02:02):
up and we found the ones in the US, the
famous ones, and then we also found this one here
in New Zealand and he said, oh, yeah, maybe i'll
do that. I said, okay, cool, then I'll come and
I'll look you up for two weeks and I think
a beer later. I said, but shall we just do
it together? It sounds so good and he said, yeah,
let's do it, and then that was it. It was decided.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
And but how much hiking had you done before you?
Speaker 3 (02:23):
No? Zero? We did camping and stuff with my parents
in like a caravan, so I slept in a tent before.
But really the walking with the backpack and all the
gear and the stuff and nothing, no, absolutely nothing.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Can you prepare yourself for long distance walking like this?
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yeah, I think you can. But it's also I think
that we didn't overthink it that much. It was quite
good because if you know how tough it is, you'll
probably will probably haven't done it, you know. But if
you also know how cool it is and how nice
it is, then then for sure you will do it.
But usually you see the challenges before you see the fun.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
And had you thought about the fact that you were
picking a walk that was probably as far away from
the neil you know, your home as possible?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
No? Not really, no, no, But it's the same when
I study I studied architecture in the city and then
I lived in Amsterdam and my sister said, go study architecture.
I said, okay, I'll do it, and then a week
later after I applied, I noticed, oh wait, it's in
a totally different town, so now I have to go there.
So those things usually kind of happen. No, No, I
don't think we really thought about that. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
I think we all kind of know that being in
nature can be transformative, and spending three months in nature
absolutely has that effect. How did it change you? Can
you articulate it?
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Yeah, it's difficult, but I think what it really does, nicely,
it stops you for a bit, even though you're moving,
of course, but your life kind of stops because there's
not a lot of new input coming in, not a
lot of your phone doesn't work half the time, you
don't have a job, you're not paying taxes, you don't
talk to your friends and family that much. So there's
this quite long period of time for us then was
(04:04):
three and a half months where you stop and things
can come up, especially when you're twenty six twenty seven
and you know your student life is behind you and
you kind of want to want to and need to
grow up maybe in a certain way. There's all these
reflections and things that you haven't thought about about yourself
or about the world or where you are or what
you want to do. They come up, and then the
(04:25):
cool thing is is that you have three and a
half months for them to just not a time to
just freak it out. Yeah, and then not that something
comes up, but then other things ask your attention or
you talk to someone about it. But you really have
this moment in time to think about, Okay, what is
it for me? And then in the end, for me,
there were no conclusions, but there were all these puzzle pieces.
(04:46):
And then I think since then, in the last eight years,
nine years, all those puzzle pieces they come up again,
sometimes things that are collected and thought of in that
moment and they're like, oh, wait, you know this is
what that meant, and this is what that meant. So
there's no at the end, oh I'm going to change
my life, but you're like, life has changed, but you'll
(05:07):
notice it. You'll notice it afterwards, and you'll notice it
along the way in the rest of your life what
you want to do with that. So it is Yeah,
it's a really interesting experience that keeps on coming back.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Actually, So you were in your sort of mid late
twenties when you did to Adroowa. But our characters in
the film The North, these two men that we follow
across Scotland's West Highland Way there in the early sort
of mid thirties.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Why did you choose that age, Well, because it's so
me and a friend we walked this detail together. We
also slept in the same tent and I kept a
diary of our walk, and a lot of that is
in the film. But I also saize that if I
want to even make the change, that the changes in
these two characters more visible because I and when we
(05:56):
were walking, I was twenty six, twenty seven and still
not really knowing what I wanted to do. And then
Niil's my friend, already did an internship and was looking
for a job, and we were on this point where
we were diverging into different lives. And now, like a
couple of years ago, thirty three, thirty four, the lives
of us were so different. You know, when you were
(06:18):
twenty five, you were the same, You were just having
a drink and you still have this life in front
of you. But then early thirties is such a weird
period of time where some people already have they're married,
have a kid, have their promotions and a job and
a car and a dog, and other people are stay
like I have no idea what to do with my life,
and they're still trying to figure it out. And I
think like when you start going maybe to your forties,
(06:41):
those things they come back again a little bit. But
this is a very weird place in time where those
friendships they kind of go different routes and you really
can see the differences in people. And that's why I thought, Okay,
let's make them a little bit older. And also that's
the age that I was, and it felt more like
this is what the things are that I am working
on right now.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I think the North is like the quintessential hiking film.
It just captures it all so beautifully. Can we start
maybe with the landscape. Why did you choose Scotland?
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Well, a couple of reasons that were quite practical. Actually
it's close to the Netherlands.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
But also are you getting more practical as you get older?
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Yeah, a little bit. Yeah, I know New Zealand is
quite far away. But another thing that's really important for
me as well is to have a sort of freedom.
So in Scotland you have the freedom to roam what
you also have here in New Zealand in a lot
of places where you can pitch your tent as long
as you stick to the rules of the and the
regulations of you know, leave no trace and take care
of the environment. But you can do a lot of
(07:38):
things there and that meant that for filming we have
the freedom to go places that we want to go.
And in Europe you don't have that in a lot
of places. You have it in Scandinavia where I shot
my first film, you have it in Scotland, some parts
of Iceland, up in the mountains, in Switzerland and Austria.
But so for me it was okay. It has also
the different things that I need to actually have the
(07:59):
freedom to do what I want there. And then there's
also I've never been to Scotland before this film, but
it always had this sort of magical attraction and when
I went there, I know why. It's it's such a
beautiful place. It's done yeah, and in a sense, and
in some places it has some parts that New Zealand
has as well, with the Tayo Ranges or parts of
(08:22):
the South Island. It really reminded me of that.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
And here's the really crazy thing. You actually did the walk.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yeah, you and.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Your actors and the crew. It was a pretty small crew.
You actually did the walk and films as you went.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Is that correct? Yeah, most of it. We couldn't do
everything because it's the it's the West Highland Way and
the Cape Wrath Trail and together it's about four hundred
or five hundred kilometers, which if we want to film
and walk, we can only do about ten kilometers a day,
so that meant that we'd be more than fifty days.
That's quite tricky. So we did I think about three
hundred kilometers because there's just a lot of places that
(08:57):
you cannot get otherwise. So if we want to film
on top of a mountain, and with the budget that
we have, which is quite low, we don't have an
helicopter or you know, nice hotel. So it's it's this
twofold where this way we can go to the places.
But it's also we really experience what it's like to
be out there. So if you have an actor and
he slept in a tent yesterday, I don't have to
(09:17):
explain what that's like, or I don't have to explain,
you know, what it's like to walk up a mountain
and be tired. You know, they're tired. And it's the
same with the camera. Everyone knows this is the feeling
that we're trying to capture. And I also just really
enjoy it. And I think that's the most important part.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
I love the way this film just captures that day
to day routine of long distance walking. It's the you know,
you get up, you have your breakfast, you pack up,
you start walking, you stop and you eat. The end
of the day, you eat again and put your team too,
you know, and it's just it's kind of like it,
you know, depending on the whether it can be a
wonderfully simple way to live life or a very challenging
(09:55):
way to live life. And it's really interesting to see
how people respond, isn't it. You know one person, one
person might have a fantastic hour all day on a trial,
while it could be the worst day of somebody else's life.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Yeah. No, definitely, But that's I think that's also because
we really did it, we really walked it, because then
you get these these two different things. But it was
I think what really helped was when I when I
walked here in New Zealand, I kept a diary, so
I knew all the things how it felt in the
moment instead of thinking now back how was it? So
(10:27):
I knew the little irritations that that that happened, and
I knew these were the things that were difficult for
that person or for that person. And in the end,
it's you know, it's it's sort of a holiday, but
after a while walking becomes your life. It's just it's
exactly the same as you know, it's your job almost
this is what I do each day. So that has
(10:48):
good days and bad days. And it isn't even that
walking through the rain or it has to be a
bad day. No, those can be sometimes the best day.
So it's not even about that. It can be it
can be small things, just like you know when you
wake up one morning and you put a pen in
your pocket and then it splurges out, but it's a
beautiful day and that, but that can still ruin your day.
(11:08):
And I think with hiking it's the same. It's just
these little bits and pieces that can do that.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Are you a convert now to longest? I mean obviously,
as you say, you've made two films. You made Human
Nature in twenty twenty two and now The North that
you were convert to the long distance walk.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Yeah, I really like it, but it's tricky. Now my
son is now a year and a half, so I
haven't done it for a little bit or a little while.
But now we're hopefully we're going to go to Sweden,
the three of us with my wife and we maybe
can do some walks there and it's it's but it's
a big investment. But now I kind of have these
two things because then I can say, oh, but I
need to do it for my job because I need
(11:42):
to make a new film, so it's also to.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Make another high time Yeah, I need I needed to
do you need to do it. How did you cope
with the midges in Scotland? Because I did actually read
somewhere or I was actually told a couple of weekends
ago that studies have been done that have identified that
though the midges cost Scottish tourism industry over three hundred
and twenty million pounds a year because people can't go
(12:04):
with them early and things.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Don't you have the sand flies here as well?
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Oh yeah no, don't worry, we have we have that fish.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Yeah yeah, yeah, no, And I think they are they're
the same. Their cousins. There're something no there. They there's places,
especially up in the really up in the north in
Scotland that remind me of South America and the beauty
of it and the wildness of it. And you have
these beautiful beaches that are just that are the almost
white sand, and no one goes there because it's also
(12:32):
the weather, of course, but you can cope with that,
but the midges are quite tough. I think it's also
kind of a good thing, or else it would be
filled with hotels and now it's still this beautiful nature.
But there's they are. They are terrible when they're there,
But when they're not there, which is also a lot
of the time, it's not really that big of a deal.
If it's been raining, then the sun shines and there's
(12:53):
no wind, it is the worst, but already a little
bit of wind and they're gone. So also the moving.
So that's why in the film you also see them
eating while walking around. Yeah, that then they cannot get you.
But if you see one of the actors, Carlos, he
had quite a bad reaction to the bites and his
whole face was, yeah, that's not makeup, you know. And
(13:14):
then for me, as a director, I'm also like I
feel so I feel so sorry for you, and on
the other side, I think this is quite nice. This
looks very good for the film.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Yeah, I think it's something very important that actors are
going to need to know in the future when when
they hear that there's a possibility of being involved in
a batch that film it may require.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Yeah. I always tell them what it's going to be like,
and I tell people these are the tough days, and
they always just hear the beautiful parts. I love it,
and it is.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
An incredibly beautiful film, but it's the kind of film
that you watch and you just want to run for
the hills the line you've finished it. So congratulations, thank
you so much, and thank you so much for your
time today.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
You're welcome, Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
That was filmed to Rick the batchrav The film is
called The North. It's in cinemas now.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
The tier Adawa Trail, running between Cape Rianga and Bluff,
is one of the world's most diverse long distance walks.
It's not for the faint hearted, so it's interested to see.
It has had one of its busiest years yet, with
more than two thousand people completing the trail. Someone who
has just who has undertaken the trek is film director
Bat Shreither. The trail inspired his latest filmed The North,
(00:36):
which has been referred to as the ultimate hiking film.
The North is in cinemas now and Bart joins me, welcome,
Thank you, love you to have you back in New Zealand,
because you are no stranger to the place you walk.
The Aradowa Trail, the three thousand kilometer hiking trail, the
length of New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Thousand did you what did you end up walking? I
have no idea, no, but a three thousand. It doesn't
matter if it's three thousand or three and a half
or seven hundred and fifty kilometers, it's already yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Crazy, When did you do that?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
In twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen. Yeah, what was it like? Yeah,
that's that's well. I already made two films about this,
you know, so to kind of try to explain what
it's like is so tricky. I think it's how do
you explain the last four year four months of your life?
How were how were those four months? It's also yeah,
(01:29):
it's it's it was. It's life changing in a sense,
and it's yeah, difficult, too difficult to describe, but very special.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Why did you choose this trial? How did it come about?
Speaker 3 (01:40):
It was? It was sort of an accident, not it
was me and a friend to the friend that I
walked to the with. We were having a beer and
he just finished his internship, or he was going to
finish it in like half a year, and he wanted
to go travel a lot. And we were having a
beer and he said, I want to go in nature things.
And I said, oh, you have these these great long
walks all over the world. So we started looking them
(02:02):
up and we found the ones in the US, the
famous ones, and then we also found this one here
in New Zealand and he said, oh, yeah, maybe i'll
do that. I said, okay, cool, then I'll come and
I'll look you up for two weeks and I think
a beer later. I said, but shall we just do
it together? It sounds so good and he said, yeah,
let's do it, and then that was it. It was decided.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
And but how much hiking had you done before you?
Speaker 3 (02:23):
No? Zero? We did camping and stuff with my parents
in like a caravan, so I slept in a tent before.
But really the walking with the backpack and all the
gear and the stuff and nothing, no, absolutely nothing.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Can you prepare yourself for long distance walking like this?
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yeah, I think you can. But it's also I think
that we didn't overthink it that much. It was quite
good because if you know how tough it is, you'll
probably will probably haven't done it, you know. But if
you also know how cool it is and how nice
it is, then then for sure you will do it.
But usually you see the challenges before you see the fun.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
And had you thought about the fact that you were
picking a walk that was probably as far away from
the neil you know, your home as possible?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
No? Not really, no, no, But it's the same when
I study I studied architecture in the city and then
I lived in Amsterdam and my sister said, go study architecture.
I said, okay, I'll do it, and then a week
later after I applied, I noticed, oh wait, it's in
a totally different town, so now I have to go there.
So those things usually kind of happen. No, No, I
don't think we really thought about that. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
I think we all kind of know that being in
nature can be transformative, and spending three months in nature
absolutely has that effect. How did it change you? Can
you articulate it?
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Yeah, it's difficult, but I think what it really does, nicely,
it stops you for a bit, even though you're moving,
of course, but your life kind of stops because there's
not a lot of new input coming in, not a
lot of your phone doesn't work half the time, you
don't have a job, you're not paying taxes, you don't
talk to your friends and family that much. So there's
this quite long period of time for us then was
(04:04):
three and a half months where you stop and things
can come up, especially when you're twenty six twenty seven
and you know your student life is behind you and
you kind of want to want to and need to
grow up maybe in a certain way. There's all these
reflections and things that you haven't thought about about yourself
or about the world or where you are or what
you want to do. They come up, and then the
(04:25):
cool thing is is that you have three and a
half months for them to just not a time to
just freak it out. Yeah, and then not that something
comes up, but then other things ask your attention or
you talk to someone about it. But you really have
this moment in time to think about, Okay, what is
it for me? And then in the end, for me,
there were no conclusions, but there were all these puzzle pieces.
(04:46):
And then I think since then, in the last eight years,
nine years, all those puzzle pieces they come up again,
sometimes things that are collected and thought of in that
moment and they're like, oh, wait, you know this is
what that meant, and this is what that meant. So
there's no at the end, oh I'm going to change
my life, but you're like, life has changed, but you'll
(05:07):
notice it. You'll notice it afterwards, and you'll notice it
along the way in the rest of your life what
you want to do with that. So it is Yeah,
it's a really interesting experience that keeps on coming back.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Actually, So you were in your sort of mid late
twenties when you did to Adroowa. But our characters in
the film The North, these two men that we follow
across Scotland's West Highland Way there in the early sort
of mid thirties.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Why did you choose that age, Well, because it's so
me and a friend we walked this detail together. We
also slept in the same tent and I kept a
diary of our walk, and a lot of that is
in the film. But I also saize that if I
want to even make the change, that the changes in
these two characters more visible because I and when we
(05:56):
were walking, I was twenty six, twenty seven and still
not really knowing what I wanted to do. And then
Niil's my friend, already did an internship and was looking
for a job, and we were on this point where
we were diverging into different lives. And now, like a
couple of years ago, thirty three, thirty four, the lives
of us were so different. You know, when you were
(06:18):
twenty five, you were the same, You were just having
a drink and you still have this life in front
of you. But then early thirties is such a weird
period of time where some people already have they're married,
have a kid, have their promotions and a job and
a car and a dog, and other people are stay
like I have no idea what to do with my life,
and they're still trying to figure it out. And I
think like when you start going maybe to your forties,
(06:41):
those things they come back again a little bit. But
this is a very weird place in time where those
friendships they kind of go different routes and you really
can see the differences in people. And that's why I thought, Okay,
let's make them a little bit older. And also that's
the age that I was, and it felt more like
this is what the things are that I am working
on right now.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I think the North is like the quintessential hiking film.
It just captures it all so beautifully. Can we start
maybe with the landscape. Why did you choose Scotland?
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Well, a couple of reasons that were quite practical. Actually
it's close to the Netherlands.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
But also are you getting more practical as you get older?
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Yeah, a little bit. Yeah, I know New Zealand is
quite far away. But another thing that's really important for
me as well is to have a sort of freedom.
So in Scotland you have the freedom to roam what
you also have here in New Zealand in a lot
of places where you can pitch your tent as long
as you stick to the rules of the and the
regulations of you know, leave no trace and take care
of the environment. But you can do a lot of
(07:38):
things there and that meant that for filming we have
the freedom to go places that we want to go.
And in Europe you don't have that in a lot
of places. You have it in Scandinavia where I shot
my first film, you have it in Scotland, some parts
of Iceland, up in the mountains, in Switzerland and Austria.
But so for me it was okay. It has also
the different things that I need to actually have the
(07:59):
freedom to do what I want there. And then there's
also I've never been to Scotland before this film, but
it always had this sort of magical attraction and when
I went there, I know why. It's it's such a
beautiful place. It's done yeah, and in a sense, and
in some places it has some parts that New Zealand
has as well, with the Tayo Ranges or parts of
(08:22):
the South Island. It really reminded me of that.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
And here's the really crazy thing. You actually did the walk.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yeah, you and.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Your actors and the crew. It was a pretty small crew.
You actually did the walk and films as you went.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Is that correct? Yeah, most of it. We couldn't do
everything because it's the it's the West Highland Way and
the Cape Wrath Trail and together it's about four hundred
or five hundred kilometers, which if we want to film
and walk, we can only do about ten kilometers a day,
so that meant that we'd be more than fifty days.
That's quite tricky. So we did I think about three
hundred kilometers because there's just a lot of places that
(08:57):
you cannot get otherwise. So if we want to film
on top of a mountain, and with the budget that
we have, which is quite low, we don't have an
helicopter or you know, nice hotel. So it's it's this
twofold where this way we can go to the places.
But it's also we really experience what it's like to
be out there. So if you have an actor and
he slept in a tent yesterday, I don't have to
(09:17):
explain what that's like, or I don't have to explain,
you know, what it's like to walk up a mountain
and be tired. You know, they're tired. And it's the
same with the camera. Everyone knows this is the feeling
that we're trying to capture. And I also just really
enjoy it. And I think that's the most important part.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
I love the way this film just captures that day
to day routine of long distance walking. It's the you know,
you get up, you have your breakfast, you pack up,
you start walking, you stop and you eat. The end
of the day, you eat again and put your team too,
you know, and it's just it's kind of like it,
you know, depending on the whether it can be a
wonderfully simple way to live life or a very challenging
(09:55):
way to live life. And it's really interesting to see
how people respond, isn't it. You know one person, one
person might have a fantastic hour all day on a trial,
while it could be the worst day of somebody else's life.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Yeah. No, definitely, But that's I think that's also because
we really did it, we really walked it, because then
you get these these two different things. But it was
I think what really helped was when I when I
walked here in New Zealand, I kept a diary, so
I knew all the things how it felt in the
moment instead of thinking now back how was it? So
(10:27):
I knew the little irritations that that that happened, and
I knew these were the things that were difficult for
that person or for that person. And in the end,
it's you know, it's it's sort of a holiday, but
after a while walking becomes your life. It's just it's
exactly the same as you know, it's your job almost
this is what I do each day. So that has
(10:48):
good days and bad days. And it isn't even that
walking through the rain or it has to be a
bad day. No, those can be sometimes the best day.
So it's not even about that. It can be it
can be small things, just like you know when you
wake up one morning and you put a pen in
your pocket and then it splurges out, but it's a
beautiful day and that, but that can still ruin your day.
(11:08):
And I think with hiking it's the same. It's just
these little bits and pieces that can do that.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Are you a convert now to longest? I mean obviously,
as you say, you've made two films. You made Human
Nature in twenty twenty two and now The North that
you were convert to the long distance walk.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Yeah, I really like it, but it's tricky. Now my
son is now a year and a half, so I
haven't done it for a little bit or a little while.
But now we're hopefully we're going to go to Sweden,
the three of us with my wife and we maybe
can do some walks there and it's it's but it's
a big investment. But now I kind of have these
two things because then I can say, oh, but I
need to do it for my job because I need
(11:42):
to make a new film, so it's also to.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Make another high time Yeah, I need I needed to
do you need to do it. How did you cope
with the midges in Scotland? Because I did actually read
somewhere or I was actually told a couple of weekends
ago that studies have been done that have identified that
though the midges cost Scottish tourism industry over three hundred
and twenty million pounds a year because people can't go
(12:04):
with them early and things.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Don't you have the sand flies here as well?
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Oh yeah no, don't worry, we have we have that fish.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Yeah yeah, yeah, no, And I think they are they're
the same. Their cousins. There're something no there. They there's places,
especially up in the really up in the north in
Scotland that remind me of South America and the beauty
of it and the wildness of it. And you have
these beautiful beaches that are just that are the almost
white sand, and no one goes there because it's also
(12:32):
the weather, of course, but you can cope with that,
but the midges are quite tough. I think it's also
kind of a good thing, or else it would be
filled with hotels and now it's still this beautiful nature.
But there's they are. They are terrible when they're there,
But when they're not there, which is also a lot
of the time, it's not really that big of a deal.
If it's been raining, then the sun shines and there's
(12:53):
no wind, it is the worst, but already a little
bit of wind and they're gone. So also the moving.
So that's why in the film you also see them
eating while walking around. Yeah, that then they cannot get you.
But if you see one of the actors, Carlos, he
had quite a bad reaction to the bites and his
whole face was, yeah, that's not makeup, you know. And
(13:14):
then for me, as a director, I'm also like I
feel so I feel so sorry for you, and on
the other side, I think this is quite nice. This
looks very good for the film.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Yeah, I think it's something very important that actors are
going to need to know in the future when when
they hear that there's a possibility of being involved in
a batch that film it may require.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Yeah. I always tell them what it's going to be like,
and I tell people these are the tough days, and
they always just hear the beautiful parts. I love it,
and it is.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
An incredibly beautiful film, but it's the kind of film
that you watch and you just want to run for
the hills the line you've finished it. So congratulations, thank
you so much, and thank you so much for your
time today.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
You're welcome, Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
That was filmed to Rick the batchrav The film is
called The North. It's in cinemas now.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
For more from the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin, listen
live to News Talks. It'd be from nine am Sunday,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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