March 7, 2026 • 16 mins
Award-winning journalist Charlotte Glennie's built up a memorable career over the years.
As a foreign correspondent, she reported from North Korea, Mongolia, and Russia, she covered monsoon rains in a Bangladesh refugee camp and she witnessed the aftermath of the 2004 tsunami that killed more than 200,000 people.
But before all that, Glennie was in a life-changing accident while in Croatia and lost her footing and fell off a cliff onto rocks below, suffering life-threatening injuries.
She's written about all her experiences in a new memoir - Every Second Counts.
"There were two things I wanted to do, and for me, they were the pinnacle of a journalism career. One was to be a foreign correspondent and one was to be a political correspondent. And the political one came along very early on...and another theme of the book is just taking opportunities when they come along."
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudkin
from News talksb.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Throughout her career, award winning journalist Charlotte Glenney was passionate
about on the ground reporting. As a foreign correspondent, she
reported from North Korea, Mongolia, Russia. She covered monsoon rains
and Bangladesh. She most traumatically was in Thailand witnessing the
aftermath of the two thousand and four tsunami that killed
more than two hundred thousand people. But before all that
(00:34):
came a life changing accident that nearly ended at all.
In two thousand and one, while on an oei in Croatia,
Charlotte lost her footing and fell off a cliff onto
rocks below, suffering life threatening injuries. Charlotte has written about
the accident, her life and career in a new book.
It's called Every Second Counts. And Charlotte Leaney now lives
in Sydney, but she's back in the country and with
(00:54):
me in the studio. Good morning, lovely to see you.
The book is fantastic. It's quite a yarn, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
There was a lot that happened, lot happened in about
I think it covers a span of about thirty years,
and that is quite a lot to squeeze.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Into a into a book.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
I think there are a lot of stories in there.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
When you started writing the book, or when you came
up with the idea for the book, did you want
to write about your career? Did you want to write
about yourself personally and your accident and things? What was
the idea?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Not at all? That was what I really didn't want
to write about. I wanted to write about the people
that I kept remembering in Asia mostly, but all the
people throughout my career as a journalist who I had
met and been moved by their stories, and each of
them had imprinted in my mind for different reasons, but
(01:55):
throughout it, the way they dealt with such difficult experiences
in their lives just had taught me so much about
how I could live my own life. And you see
people living through natural disasters, through crackdowns, political crackdowns, through
(02:17):
so many events and trauma, and yet they displayed courage,
they displayed resilience, They thought about other people, they displayed compassion, generosity,
and I couldn't stop thinking about that. And during COVID,
which was a time of reflection. Also a pretty busy time.
I was working full time at home, it's homeschooling the kids,
(02:40):
but I was also thinking so much about these things
that had passed, and I wanted to share those stories.
And I know myself, as an avid reader, that I
liked the juicy details about people's lives as well, So
you knew you weren't.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Going to get away about yourself.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Well. The other thing on that for Anceiska is that
people journalists are telling stories about other people's lives all
the time, and we rely on other people to tell
us about their lives, and I thought it was only
fair that I revealed a little bit more than I
ever had about my own.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Did you always want to be a foreign correspondent when
you became a journalist?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
I did. Actually, there were two things I wanted to do,
and I guess they're both the well for me, they
were the pinnacle of a journalism career. One was to
be a foreign correspondent and one was to be a
political correspondent. And the political one came along very early on.
I was, I think only about twenty four to twenty five,
and I which were Barry so fun, Yes, yeah, and
(03:41):
Clark yes, but it was it was Barry who first
gave me that opportunity, and Duncan Gana was in the
press gallery at that.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
To him pretty quickly and moved on.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Linda Clark tapped me on the shoulder and I did actually,
and I'm really sorry for that, Barry, because I loved
working with you and you were the you were, you
were the man around Parliament in those days and you
still last still. Yeah, that was in the mid nineties,
so I did. But I think in another theme of
(04:12):
the book, Francesca is just taking opportunities when they come along,
and unfortunately opportunities don't always get presented to us at
the time we would choose them. But I've often taken
opportunities when they've come along, and that was one.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
All those opportunities almost disappeared. Actually, you know, you had
these opportunities, you headed overseas for the obligatory OA. Then
you have this life threatening fall in Croatia in two
thousand and one. I had heard about this accident, but
reading this book, I had absolutely no idea Charlotte, how
(04:49):
serious this was. It was life threatening, wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Well. I think very few people had any idea of
how serious it was, and that was because it happened
and I had to recover, and then I moved on.
And the recovery did take a good two and a
half years, and in some respects it's taken thirty more
years beyond that. But it was also something that I
(05:17):
didn't talk about a lot because I didn't want to
dwell on it. I didn't want it to define me.
I didn't want people it was probably almost a weakness
of mine. I didn't want people to see any weakness
in me. I was twenty nine years old. I didn't
know what shape my life was going to take in
the years to follow. We all have a vague idea
of what we might do with our lives, but I
(05:39):
didn't know precisely, of course, what that might look like,
and so I wanted to just get on as if
it had never happened. But I had these extensive injuries
as well, and I had to get better from them,
and that involved a lot of frustration, a lot of rehab,
(06:00):
not as much rehab as I should have done, and
that's why I continued to feel the repercussions over the years.
But I did manage to move on with my life
and do some pretty dramatic things after this dramatic thing
of fall off the cliff.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
No, you certainly did. And let's move on to that.
You end up back in New Zealand, you're working at
TVNZ and you convinced them that they need a TVNZ
Asian correspondent.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
I did, and that was all credit to Bill Rolston.
He said yes. At the time, I didn't really think
that he would, but I pitched tore them that I
could do it very as cheaply as possible. So at
the time TVNZ didn't have its US bureau, but it
had a bureau in Australia and a bureau in London,
(06:51):
and they were fully resourced bureaus, so they often worked
out of other people's newsrooms, but they had a dedicated cameraman,
dedicated correspondent, and the resources they needed. They had travel
budgets and with a dedicated cameraman comes all the camera gear,
the editing equipment, all that sort of thing. I said
I would go to Hong Kong, and Hong Kong made
(07:15):
sense for a number of reasons, both professional and personal.
At the time, I said I would go to Hong
Kong and do it really cheaply. What was the offer,
and that was the continual challenge to do it cheaply.
But of course Hong Kong was often just to jump
off point to these other places in Asia as well.
Bill said yes, and off I went, and I remember
being at the Quanta. Who would I have flown was
(07:40):
Cathay Pacific, And I remember standing there at the counter
with overweight baggage and I'd even put the stationery in
my back. I don't know what I was thinking. There
was stationary you could buy in Hong Kong, but I'd
even put the stationery in my bag. And I had
all these At the time, nothing was digital, so I
had all these big beta tapes and things, and my
(08:02):
bags were weighed and I got hit with this overweight
baggage bills. Oh there's my first my first expensive blood. Anyway,
off I went, and I was picked up at the
airport by Phellow Sullivan, who had been a colleague, and
I was going to live with them. Actually we were
(08:24):
going to give our relationship and another go. And within
a week, within a few days, I think I was
already sent off on news stories and I did not stop.
There was so much happening in that region that I
did not stop for the whole time I did the job.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Why was that role important to you?
Speaker 3 (08:44):
I had traveled for almost a year through Asia just
before I had the accident, traveled to the many different
countries that it's such a diverse region, such a vibrant,
interesting region, so different to where we come from. And
I think I've always been drawn to different places. But
(09:06):
the contradiction in that is you get drawn to different
places to see how different because of their difference, but
then you only discover how similar we all are around
the world. And so I was drawn to Asia also
because I recognized its significance in our world, and it
(09:27):
was already I think China was our fourth largest trading
partner at that time I traveled through China. I knew
how many New Zealanders lived there that were doing interesting
things because I'd met them on my travels in that
previous year before the accident, and I knew that there
were just so many stories that we were not seeing
in our media hair And this was something that the
(09:49):
Asia New Zealand Foundation now at that time is called
Asia two thousand, because it was trying to increase New
Zealander's interest in Asia as a region. And raise its
profile in the lead up to the turn of the millennium,
and it's still doing that now twenty six.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
The role was disestablished, shall we say, that shut down
a couple of years later, and that was a financial decision.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Yeah, it lasted for two and a half years, and
it was a financial decision, and we're seeing financial decisions
like that made all the time, not only in New
Zealand but around the world. It was gutting because it
had been a really successful role. I think that TV
and Z had enjoyed seeing I think the editors had
(10:38):
liked running the stories. I think that the feedback from
the community was that they thought it was really interesting
seeing Asia. But it was just a budget decision, a
bunch free decision that Bill had to make.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
It's interesting. I interviewed Robert Fisk a few years ago
and he was just saying to me the importance of
not reporting from the news room, and that what we're
seeing when we're talking about international stories is people using
secondhand information in social media and things as opposed to
bearing witness and being on the ground there in the thing.
And of course we've seen the Washington Post just recently
(11:09):
decide to get rid of most of their foreign correspondence
and what is the benefit of being there, of observing
And I wonder whether you could talk about it in
relationship to the tsunami, which is probably one of the
biggest life changing stories that you worked on.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
It's absolutely essential to bear witness and just to take
it back to social media, it's amazing that we can
now get information from places as soon as it happens,
although of course there are many many obstacles to getting
information out of places like Iran obviously, where we've seen
(11:48):
so much conflict in the last in the last couple
of months, But it is absolutely essential to get information
from these places and to have as many eyes on
it as possible, and people have different perspectives that they
bring to reporting what's happening. Sometimes the locals are at
(12:11):
greater risk of talking about what's happening on the ground,
so to have a foreign correspondent go and talk about
it it is absolutely invaluable both for those locals and
so that the world knows what's happening, because what are
we without knowing what's happening in our world. So for
the tsunami, I had actually been in New Zealand after
(12:34):
a really busy first year working for TVs. I'd actually
been in New Zealand. I think i'd a run right Dayliday. Yes,
I think I'd arrived on Christmas Eve and the tsunami
happened on Boxing Day morning, and as soon as I
heard about it, we had no idea how massively catastrophic
that event was. And the final death toll was over
(12:56):
two hundred and thirty thousand people and possibly as many
as a quarter of a million people. There were a
lot of unaccounted for missing, and this wave just crashed
into the shorelines all throughout all these countries, over a
dozen countries that line the Indian Ocean, and just wiped
(13:18):
them out. It was just so enormous and it just
came in and then it just kept rolling in and
anything that was in its path, including all the one
hundreds or tens of thousands of people, were just taken
out with the wave. And to see so I flew
immediately to Thailand, and it was really very confronting and
(13:44):
distressing seeing the devastation. And there were still bodies being
recovered because it was so quickly after the event, and
because there were so many I think in Thailand the
final death toll was around five and a half thousand people.
And we were some of the first into Carlac, which
was north of Pouquette, and there were people just with
(14:05):
their bare hands, just just carrying, carrying dead bodies towards
these these temporary morgues. And the temporary morgues were temple temples,
the beautiful Tai temples that I had been to many
New Zealanders go to as in such spiritual comforting places.
(14:26):
And to go there, walked in the gates, turned the corner,
and we did not expect what we saw. Just hundreds
of bodies and yeah, that they were in that had
been it had been a couple of days or two
or three days since they died, and yeah, it was
(14:46):
it was an assault on the senses.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
And in every respect, so Charlotte, tsunami's riots, earthquakes, just
traumatic stories, tragedies that you know, you talk to families
about and things. It's got to take a toll on you,
doesn't it the job.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
It does. I've always had a pretty maragmatic view of that,
that it was the people who are affected by the
stories that have the right to feel the pain, and
that sustained me for many many years and it still does.
I mean, of course, being an observer is nothing like
(15:24):
being at the center of a story. But at the
same time, you do wonder if it's taken a toll,
and that's what happened during COVID. I started wondering about that,
and that's when I started writing about it. And I
have seen a little.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Bit of a cathartic kind of exercise as well.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Yeah, and exploratory too. I think I wondered myself of
it if it had had a toll.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
And here there's so much in the book, so much
more than that as well, because you do share a
little bit more about your personal life and being a
working woman in Asia and wanting to thinking about having
a family and wanting a relationship with children and things
like that. Thank you so much for opening up then
your generosity with the book. It is an absolutely fantastic read.
And of course the great thing is you'll recognized lots
(16:07):
of names in this book. It's called Every Second Counts
and it is in stores this Tuesday. Charlotte Denny, thank
you so much.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Thanks Francisca.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
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from News talksb.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Throughout her career, award winning journalist Charlotte Glenney was passionate
about on the ground reporting. As a foreign correspondent, she
reported from North Korea, Mongolia, Russia. She covered monsoon rains
and Bangladesh. She most traumatically was in Thailand witnessing the
aftermath of the two thousand and four tsunami that killed
more than two hundred thousand people. But before all that
(00:34):
came a life changing accident that nearly ended at all.
In two thousand and one, while on an oei in Croatia,
Charlotte lost her footing and fell off a cliff onto
rocks below, suffering life threatening injuries. Charlotte has written about
the accident, her life and career in a new book.
It's called Every Second Counts. And Charlotte Leaney now lives
in Sydney, but she's back in the country and with
(00:54):
me in the studio. Good morning, lovely to see you.
The book is fantastic. It's quite a yarn, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
There was a lot that happened, lot happened in about
I think it covers a span of about thirty years,
and that is quite a lot to squeeze.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Into a into a book.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
I think there are a lot of stories in there.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
When you started writing the book, or when you came
up with the idea for the book, did you want
to write about your career? Did you want to write
about yourself personally and your accident and things? What was
the idea?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Not at all? That was what I really didn't want
to write about. I wanted to write about the people
that I kept remembering in Asia mostly, but all the
people throughout my career as a journalist who I had
met and been moved by their stories, and each of
them had imprinted in my mind for different reasons, but
(01:55):
throughout it, the way they dealt with such difficult experiences
in their lives just had taught me so much about
how I could live my own life. And you see
people living through natural disasters, through crackdowns, political crackdowns, through
(02:17):
so many events and trauma, and yet they displayed courage,
they displayed resilience, They thought about other people, they displayed compassion, generosity,
and I couldn't stop thinking about that. And during COVID,
which was a time of reflection. Also a pretty busy time.
I was working full time at home, it's homeschooling the kids,
(02:40):
but I was also thinking so much about these things
that had passed, and I wanted to share those stories.
And I know myself, as an avid reader, that I
liked the juicy details about people's lives as well, So
you knew you weren't.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Going to get away about yourself.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Well. The other thing on that for Anceiska is that
people journalists are telling stories about other people's lives all
the time, and we rely on other people to tell
us about their lives, and I thought it was only
fair that I revealed a little bit more than I
ever had about my own.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Did you always want to be a foreign correspondent when
you became a journalist?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
I did. Actually, there were two things I wanted to do,
and I guess they're both the well for me, they
were the pinnacle of a journalism career. One was to
be a foreign correspondent and one was to be a
political correspondent. And the political one came along very early on.
I was, I think only about twenty four to twenty five,
and I which were Barry so fun, Yes, yeah, and
(03:41):
Clark yes, but it was it was Barry who first
gave me that opportunity, and Duncan Gana was in the
press gallery at that.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
To him pretty quickly and moved on.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Linda Clark tapped me on the shoulder and I did actually,
and I'm really sorry for that, Barry, because I loved
working with you and you were the you were, you
were the man around Parliament in those days and you
still last still. Yeah, that was in the mid nineties,
so I did. But I think in another theme of
(04:12):
the book, Francesca is just taking opportunities when they come along,
and unfortunately opportunities don't always get presented to us at
the time we would choose them. But I've often taken
opportunities when they've come along, and that was one.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
All those opportunities almost disappeared. Actually, you know, you had
these opportunities, you headed overseas for the obligatory OA. Then
you have this life threatening fall in Croatia in two
thousand and one. I had heard about this accident, but
reading this book, I had absolutely no idea Charlotte, how
(04:49):
serious this was. It was life threatening, wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Well. I think very few people had any idea of
how serious it was, and that was because it happened
and I had to recover, and then I moved on.
And the recovery did take a good two and a
half years, and in some respects it's taken thirty more
years beyond that. But it was also something that I
(05:17):
didn't talk about a lot because I didn't want to
dwell on it. I didn't want it to define me.
I didn't want people it was probably almost a weakness
of mine. I didn't want people to see any weakness
in me. I was twenty nine years old. I didn't
know what shape my life was going to take in
the years to follow. We all have a vague idea
of what we might do with our lives, but I
(05:39):
didn't know precisely, of course, what that might look like,
and so I wanted to just get on as if
it had never happened. But I had these extensive injuries
as well, and I had to get better from them,
and that involved a lot of frustration, a lot of rehab,
(06:00):
not as much rehab as I should have done, and
that's why I continued to feel the repercussions over the years.
But I did manage to move on with my life
and do some pretty dramatic things after this dramatic thing
of fall off the cliff.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
No, you certainly did. And let's move on to that.
You end up back in New Zealand, you're working at
TVNZ and you convinced them that they need a TVNZ
Asian correspondent.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
I did, and that was all credit to Bill Rolston.
He said yes. At the time, I didn't really think
that he would, but I pitched tore them that I
could do it very as cheaply as possible. So at
the time TVNZ didn't have its US bureau, but it
had a bureau in Australia and a bureau in London,
(06:51):
and they were fully resourced bureaus, so they often worked
out of other people's newsrooms, but they had a dedicated cameraman,
dedicated correspondent, and the resources they needed. They had travel
budgets and with a dedicated cameraman comes all the camera gear,
the editing equipment, all that sort of thing. I said
I would go to Hong Kong, and Hong Kong made
(07:15):
sense for a number of reasons, both professional and personal.
At the time, I said I would go to Hong
Kong and do it really cheaply. What was the offer,
and that was the continual challenge to do it cheaply.
But of course Hong Kong was often just to jump
off point to these other places in Asia as well.
Bill said yes, and off I went, and I remember
being at the Quanta. Who would I have flown was
(07:40):
Cathay Pacific, And I remember standing there at the counter
with overweight baggage and I'd even put the stationery in
my back. I don't know what I was thinking. There
was stationary you could buy in Hong Kong, but I'd
even put the stationery in my bag. And I had
all these At the time, nothing was digital, so I
had all these big beta tapes and things, and my
(08:02):
bags were weighed and I got hit with this overweight
baggage bills. Oh there's my first my first expensive blood. Anyway,
off I went, and I was picked up at the
airport by Phellow Sullivan, who had been a colleague, and
I was going to live with them. Actually we were
(08:24):
going to give our relationship and another go. And within
a week, within a few days, I think I was
already sent off on news stories and I did not stop.
There was so much happening in that region that I
did not stop for the whole time I did the job.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Why was that role important to you?
Speaker 3 (08:44):
I had traveled for almost a year through Asia just
before I had the accident, traveled to the many different
countries that it's such a diverse region, such a vibrant,
interesting region, so different to where we come from. And
I think I've always been drawn to different places. But
(09:06):
the contradiction in that is you get drawn to different
places to see how different because of their difference, but
then you only discover how similar we all are around
the world. And so I was drawn to Asia also
because I recognized its significance in our world, and it
(09:27):
was already I think China was our fourth largest trading
partner at that time I traveled through China. I knew
how many New Zealanders lived there that were doing interesting
things because I'd met them on my travels in that
previous year before the accident, and I knew that there
were just so many stories that we were not seeing
in our media hair And this was something that the
(09:49):
Asia New Zealand Foundation now at that time is called
Asia two thousand, because it was trying to increase New
Zealander's interest in Asia as a region. And raise its
profile in the lead up to the turn of the millennium,
and it's still doing that now twenty six.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
The role was disestablished, shall we say, that shut down
a couple of years later, and that was a financial decision.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Yeah, it lasted for two and a half years, and
it was a financial decision, and we're seeing financial decisions
like that made all the time, not only in New
Zealand but around the world. It was gutting because it
had been a really successful role. I think that TV
and Z had enjoyed seeing I think the editors had
(10:38):
liked running the stories. I think that the feedback from
the community was that they thought it was really interesting
seeing Asia. But it was just a budget decision, a
bunch free decision that Bill had to make.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
It's interesting. I interviewed Robert Fisk a few years ago
and he was just saying to me the importance of
not reporting from the news room, and that what we're
seeing when we're talking about international stories is people using
secondhand information in social media and things as opposed to
bearing witness and being on the ground there in the thing.
And of course we've seen the Washington Post just recently
(11:09):
decide to get rid of most of their foreign correspondence
and what is the benefit of being there, of observing
And I wonder whether you could talk about it in
relationship to the tsunami, which is probably one of the
biggest life changing stories that you worked on.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
It's absolutely essential to bear witness and just to take
it back to social media, it's amazing that we can
now get information from places as soon as it happens,
although of course there are many many obstacles to getting
information out of places like Iran obviously, where we've seen
(11:48):
so much conflict in the last in the last couple
of months, But it is absolutely essential to get information
from these places and to have as many eyes on
it as possible, and people have different perspectives that they
bring to reporting what's happening. Sometimes the locals are at
(12:11):
greater risk of talking about what's happening on the ground,
so to have a foreign correspondent go and talk about
it it is absolutely invaluable both for those locals and
so that the world knows what's happening, because what are
we without knowing what's happening in our world. So for
the tsunami, I had actually been in New Zealand after
(12:34):
a really busy first year working for TVs. I'd actually
been in New Zealand. I think i'd a run right Dayliday. Yes,
I think I'd arrived on Christmas Eve and the tsunami
happened on Boxing Day morning, and as soon as I
heard about it, we had no idea how massively catastrophic
that event was. And the final death toll was over
(12:56):
two hundred and thirty thousand people and possibly as many
as a quarter of a million people. There were a
lot of unaccounted for missing, and this wave just crashed
into the shorelines all throughout all these countries, over a
dozen countries that line the Indian Ocean, and just wiped
(13:18):
them out. It was just so enormous and it just
came in and then it just kept rolling in and
anything that was in its path, including all the one
hundreds or tens of thousands of people, were just taken
out with the wave. And to see so I flew
immediately to Thailand, and it was really very confronting and
(13:44):
distressing seeing the devastation. And there were still bodies being
recovered because it was so quickly after the event, and
because there were so many I think in Thailand the
final death toll was around five and a half thousand people.
And we were some of the first into Carlac, which
was north of Pouquette, and there were people just with
(14:05):
their bare hands, just just carrying, carrying dead bodies towards
these these temporary morgues. And the temporary morgues were temple temples,
the beautiful Tai temples that I had been to many
New Zealanders go to as in such spiritual comforting places.
(14:26):
And to go there, walked in the gates, turned the corner,
and we did not expect what we saw. Just hundreds
of bodies and yeah, that they were in that had
been it had been a couple of days or two
or three days since they died, and yeah, it was
(14:46):
it was an assault on the senses.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
And in every respect, so Charlotte, tsunami's riots, earthquakes, just
traumatic stories, tragedies that you know, you talk to families
about and things. It's got to take a toll on you,
doesn't it the job.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
It does. I've always had a pretty maragmatic view of that,
that it was the people who are affected by the
stories that have the right to feel the pain, and
that sustained me for many many years and it still does.
I mean, of course, being an observer is nothing like
(15:24):
being at the center of a story. But at the
same time, you do wonder if it's taken a toll,
and that's what happened during COVID. I started wondering about that,
and that's when I started writing about it. And I
have seen a little.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Bit of a cathartic kind of exercise as well.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Yeah, and exploratory too. I think I wondered myself of
it if it had had a toll.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
And here there's so much in the book, so much
more than that as well, because you do share a
little bit more about your personal life and being a
working woman in Asia and wanting to thinking about having
a family and wanting a relationship with children and things
like that. Thank you so much for opening up then
your generosity with the book. It is an absolutely fantastic read.
And of course the great thing is you'll recognized lots
(16:07):
of names in this book. It's called Every Second Counts
and it is in stores this Tuesday. Charlotte Denny, thank
you so much.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Thanks Francisca.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
For more from the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin, listen
live to news Talks it B from nine am Sunday,
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