Full Show Podcast: 07 December 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudkin
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It's Sunday.

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Good morning and welcome to the Sunday Session on December seventh, Christmas,
Here we come. I'm Franisca Rudkin, with you until midday
on the show. Today we have the very cool Suzanne Vega. Now,
Suzanne has been making music for decades. She continues to
release critically acclaimed albums, including Flying with Angels, which she
released at the beginning.

Speaker 5 (00:48):
Of the year.

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Next year, she heads to New Zealand to perform, and
she joins me to talk about her legacy, those songs
Tom's Diner and Luca and why she continues to write music.
So Suzanne Baker is with me. After ten. After eleven,
I'm joined by up and coming Kiwi band Castaway, this
pop rocker group. They're making waves in a live scene
and they're all over the radio, and something tells me

(01:11):
we're going to be hearing a lot more from them.
Joe Reese and Austen join me and they're going to
play a song for us as well. That's after eleven,
and of course, as always, you're most welcome to text
throughout the morning on ninety two ninety.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Two the Sunday Session.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
Sometimes I wonder what the world thinks of us, not
in an insecure way, as in we need the world's
admiration to validate how wonderful we are here in New Zealand.
But when I see the local stories which break through
into international media, I do wonder if the world thinks
were a bit odd. Many international news outlets this week

(01:50):
followed the story of a keyweed jewelry thief who alleged
allegedly thought the best way to steal a thirty three thousand,
five hundred dollars faberget lockett was to swallow it in
the shop. Now, I am not sure if this was
the plan all along, or whether it was a spontaneous
Plan B after Plan A went wrong, but he was

(02:12):
arrested minutes after the alleged theft. So regardless of which
planet was, it wasn't very smart one. You may wonder
why someone would intentionally swallow a foreign or non digestible
object in the obvious answer would be to avoid arrest,
but look, it has been done before, so maybe we're

(02:32):
not so odd. Earlier this year, a thief posing as
a bi afair a professional US athletes, sold two pairs
of diamond earrings valued at around one point four million
from a Florida jeweler, and an effort to avoid arrest,
he swallowed the earrings and then after if he'd be
charged for what was in his stomach. The alleged key
we thief may have been watching the TV show Joan.
Did you see that show about notorious UK jewelry thief

(02:56):
Joan Hannington? She liked to swallow her loot too. It
is a risky way to acquire jewelry. It's a perilous
journey traveling through the esophagus and the uniquely shaped stomach,
which is apparently where mobile phones get stuck. Yes, apparently
this is something prisoners do, including one Indian prisoner who

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swallowed four mobile phones. Then, of course, the object has
to get through twelve feet of small intestine before entering
the large intestine and avoid perforating the bow. The one
reassuring thing for the jewelry's swallowing thief is that metals
such as gold and silver and many other precious stones
aren't affected by stomach acid. So after our Keiwi thief

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was picked up, he was given a medical assessment and
a police officer was assigned to constantly monitor him for
you know what, for a week. The good news is
that on Friday, the limited edition item was recovered without
requiring medical intervention, and a photo of a gloved hand
holding a gold chain with a price tag attached was released.

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Good on the police. The goods recovery operation was a success. Yes, honestly,
here'd be a cop. What we're yet to establish is
whether this now famous pendant is worth more or less
after its globally publicized journey.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
For the Sunday session, so.

Speaker 4 (04:21):
I am starting the show with a light story about
excellent police work that's taken place this week, but we
are going to get more serious this out. Andrew Costa
is speaking out this morning on the recent Independent Police
Conduct Authority review of how the police handled the complaints
against Jevon mc skinning mc skimming. He is disappointed by
the aggressive approach taken by government ministers implying there was

(04:44):
police corruption. We are going to keep you across this
throughout the hour. You can text anytime ninety two ninety.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Two Sunday with Style the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin
and Winkles for the best selection of Greg Reeds use
talk Savy.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
Thank you for your text A muzz text to say,
how do you swallow a cell phone? It is a
very good I'm presuming it's one of those tiny little ones,
you know, maybe those little flip ones or something mass
I don't know. I ended up going down a bit
of a rabbit hole, as you may have been able
to tell, trying to work out why someone's first instinct
was to follow things, and I was a paid taken
aback by what I found in my research. Anyway, let

(05:23):
us move on. Master Builders are calling for a national
building Register to better protect homeowners. This is in response
to the government preparing to shift to a proportionate liability
system for the construction sector. So these changes are expected
to come into effect in twenty twenty six. To talk
me through the shift and why we should implement a
national builder building Register, Master Builders CEO and Kit Chama

(05:47):
joins me. Now, thanks so much for your time.

Speaker 6 (05:50):
Thank you for having me.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
Hey, firstly, can you just explain to me what does
the shift to a proportionate liability system mean for homeowners
or people looking to build or renovate.

Speaker 6 (06:02):
Of course, so I think the way it works current
playing is if you're building a home and you're hoping
that everything will goes everything goes to plan, but if
something goes wrong, then in the current system, homeowners can
go after the people who've been involved in building the
house to get that issue fixed, and in most cases

(06:23):
the builders and other people involved will go and fix it.
But for some reason, if it becomes a bigger issue,
it's a nikky home, or it's quite a significant issue,
then the current join in several system means that if
the parties can't fix theation, so the builder goes under,
or the people who want you know, architect or designer
can't fix the issue, then you can go after the

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homeowners can go after any other party who has the
means to fix the issue, which is the council. So
you can go after the council, and council will then
have to come in and fix the issue, even though
their contribution to creating the issue could be you know,
not the entire cost of fixing it and government is
moving to a proportionate system. What that means is if
you build a house, something goes wrong, then the parties

(07:09):
who are involved in building your house, the cost for
them to fix the issue is the rest they bring
to the table. So what that will mean is moving forward,
you can't just go to the council get them to
fix everything if the builder, architect or designer have gone
under So in the new system it's a much more
fair system. You don't want counsel to you know, be
a responsibility or work done by others and pay costs

(07:31):
for things which council is not responsible for. But it
also means that from homeowners you need to make better
decisions on the people you choose, you know, to build
your home.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Now.

Speaker 6 (07:42):
To protect consumers, the government is saying as they move
this change, they will introduce mandatory warranties and insurances. So
there's a layer of protection available for homeowners moving forward
which is not available today. So it's adding things around
consumer protection. But what this means is as a homeowner,
when you're picking a builder, when you're picking a twity
to come and do some work in your home, you

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not have to be more careful to make sure you
understand their history, you understand their performance, and you make
a good decision.

Speaker 4 (08:11):
And kit who provides that warranty.

Speaker 6 (08:16):
So today there are some optional warranty available for homeoners.
So if you use a master builder, master builders offer
a master build warranty which hormonists can choose to take,
but it's not mandatory. And what government is saying is
moving forward, if you will take a build up over
one hundred K, warranty will be mandata. So it provides

(08:37):
a layer of protection to everyone.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
And that warranty that's not necessarily provided by your builder
or your plumber. It's a third party that can provide
you with that warranty.

Speaker 6 (08:46):
Yeah, there has to be a third party providing the.

Speaker 4 (08:48):
Warranty, Okay, So look talk to me about because as
you said, this all sounds like a pretty fair system
and a good way to move forward. But there is
a little bit of an issue with phoenix companies.

Speaker 6 (09:00):
Absolutely. The phoenix company is basically a business with sets
of set button. When something goes wrong without fixing the problem,
so they shut their company down, they leave a huge
mess behind and they start again with a different name.
So it's the same business same behavior, but they just
change the name and keep operating, and then they leave
consumers and other small businesses with huge amount of mess

(09:24):
to fix. So Phoenix Company is requite a significant issue
for New Zealand for building in construction. So what we
need to do is as we move to our much
more fear system, we need to also bring more accountability
so we reduce this instances where people, as soon as
something hard happens, businesses shut their business down, leave a
big mess behind and then two weeks later they can

(09:46):
keep trading with a different business name. And by doing that,
what it does is it creates a system where it
reduces you know, I call it quote in the system,
it reduces trust, It leaves home on us with huge
amount of mess. So what we are saying is as
we move to this transparent, more transfer and unfair system,

(10:07):
we also need to add more accountability and address this
Phoenix company issue.

Speaker 4 (10:12):
Because of course there is no prohibition on director's starting
out again, is there. I mean, the law says that
they simply have to ensure that suppliers are not mislead
or confused which entity they're dealing with, and that they're
aware of any insolvency and also any related sale of
assets to a new company. So as long as so
is they the kind of things that this registry would

(10:33):
help with.

Speaker 6 (10:35):
Yeah, So what we are saying is, as a consumer,
when you're making a decision to pick a builder, and
you can get access to all their history, you know
if they had any insolvency, directors been involved in any
insolvency and past you can see all of that in
a quite an easy way. If there any court records,
any penalty, you can see all that in one place

(10:55):
before you make a decision. A lot of homeowners will
automatically pick a builder who has a good history, a
good track record, and don't have history of insolvency. So
it actually lifts performance. It also provides i call it
power back to consumers. When we're making some of these decisions,
we have right information in our hands when we make
that decision. Now there's some of this information already exists,

(11:15):
So you can actually go to a company's office and
you know if you're picking a builder, and you can
put their name in the company's office. But it's so
hard to find out whether the business or the directors
of that business have been involved in previous insolvency or
issues that unless you are a corporate forensic expert, you
can't figure it out. So for normal homeowners is I

(11:38):
would say they are two issues. In a lot of cases,
we just don't even look for this. So I think
New Zealand is a very trusting society. So if one
of our friends or family says, look, I use a builder,
he was very good, we'll actually pick that builder. We
actually don't look at this stuff. So I think one
is we need to create some education that we need
to look at some of these things. Building a home
is probably one of the biggest investments we will undertake.

(12:00):
It's actually more important that we need to look at
some of this stuff. And second is we need to
provide this information in it quite an easy way, so
when when you're making these choices, those information are available
so we can make good decisions.

Speaker 4 (12:13):
Would this be easy to implement?

Speaker 6 (12:16):
I think so. So our view is right now, so
you know, for people to make good decisions, you can
provide businesses performance and history. So that information today exists
in companies offered and insolvency service in court records. So
if you know, if government you know m we could
create a single clean public record which shows building companies
and the history of their directors. So every time our

(12:37):
new company starts, fails, ends up in court, you update
that record. You know, automatically, you could have a consumer
facing website like you check your builder, check my builder.
Before you pick a builder, you put the name of
the builder, it'll show you company history, director history and
something like that. In our view, is a very simple
tool which starts providing much more accountability, and it starts

(12:59):
incentivizing good behavior and I think will protect consumers.

Speaker 4 (13:03):
It's interesting you mentioned the good behavior because I get
the feeling that it's a small amount of cowboys out
there who are running the reputation of other good hard workers.

Speaker 6 (13:11):
Absolutely, so I think phoenix companies is not common, but
the impact is significant. So there have been two cases
hence I have been talking about this. There was a
case in christ chich there's a builder, you know, very
successful build over you know, a period of time won
some awards, went under, left a trail of destruction behind
and it's a complete match. And some of those homeowners

(13:34):
had a masterble guarantee, so we were able to step
in and help out. Many didn't, and the directors, started training,
they had another business, started trading with another business within
within three weeks, as if there was just literally no
consequence of leaving that mess behind. And that's where I
think for me, we need to create a system where
there's a lot of accountability, so you can't just walk

(13:55):
away if something things go wrong, and we want people
to take accountability and we want people to take responsibility
to except we don't want a system where it's easy
to walk away if some thing goes wrong, with unfinished
work on pad bills and poor craftsmanship. And when you
do that, you start rewarding bad behavior. And even though
it's in small pocket, the consequence of getting this round

(14:17):
is quite significant. And if you provide this level of
transparency and powers to consumers, I think it will drive
good behavior and people will start doing the right thing.

Speaker 4 (14:26):
Thank it, Chalmer, thank you so much for your time
this morning. Really appreciate it. That was Master Builder's CEO.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
The Sunday session.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
Right, So, Jack Tam has been talking to former top
cop Andrew Costa. He has been speaking to him about corruption.
In an exclusive interview on Q and A this morning.

Speaker 7 (14:46):
The ipca's conclusion is effectively that you sought to exercise
influence over the conduct of a serious criminal investigation for
the purpose of ensuring it did not interfere with a job.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Application process, which we men.

Speaker 7 (14:58):
You're doing it for the advantage of another person, which
is the textbook definition of corruption in the police manual.

Speaker 8 (15:04):
Yeah, I do not accept their characterizer, Are you cool
of that? Absolutely not. At all times I acted in
good faith. I made my decisions honesty. Well, honestly, I
was mistaken. I made a wrong judgment.

Speaker 4 (15:18):
So there we go. We will have more on this
from this interview with Andrew Costa. This is of course
the first time that he has been speaking out about this.
That was the resignation and the apology this week as well,
so I believe he's got a few more things to
say about the way government ministers have handled the report
and the way it was revealed in things. So we

(15:38):
will bring you that throughout the morning. It is twenty
five past nine. You're with Newstalks at B.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on News Talks
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Speaker 4 (15:53):
Good to have you with us. It is twenty seven
past nine, So in just over a week, roadside drug
testing of drivers will begin and Wellington. The aim is
to then roll it out nationwide by mid twenty twenty six.
So how will it work and how reliable will this
testing be? Hayden Eastern Maine from the Drug Foundation joins
me now to talk us through it. Hi, Hayden, how

(16:15):
are you.

Speaker 9 (16:16):
Good morning, friend?

Speaker 10 (16:17):
Yeah, really good, Thanks for having me.

Speaker 4 (16:18):
Are you supportive of this move?

Speaker 9 (16:21):
Well, we're definitely supportive of not having impaired drivers on
the road, and it definitely is a big problem. But
right the way through this process to the current point
of almost going live, we've had concerns about this approach.

Speaker 4 (16:40):
Okay, let's start with what the tests involved. Maybe can
you talk me through that?

Speaker 10 (16:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (16:46):
Sure.

Speaker 9 (16:46):
So there's two components. There's a there's a roadside screening
test and then a lab test. So the road side
screening tests, they'll be done randomly by police, similar to
breathalyzer tests for alcohol at the moment, and this is

(17:06):
there's a there's a small device called a drug wipe
where they'll take a little tongue scrape, which doesn't sound
very pleasant but apparently it's it's pretty quick and the
first test is screening for just four drugs. So it's
screening for th HC, which is one of the psychoactive

(17:27):
ingredient in cannabis, cocaine, methamphetamine, and MDMA, And so if
you don't, if you don't test positive for any of
those and that first test, then you'll be on your way.
If you do test positive, you will be asked to
provide a saliva sample that will be sent off to

(17:49):
the lab, but you'll also be asked to do a
second roadside screening test, and if that also tests positive,
you'll be barred from driving for twelve hours. And then
in the meantime that that sample that was sent off
to the lab that gets tested against actually a much
love arge list of twenty five different substances. Lots of
medicines are in there as well, not just illicit drugs,

(18:13):
and if you are found to have those in your system,
then you can have an infringement notice which comes with
a fine and demeror points.

Speaker 4 (18:21):
Hayden, that second test that they do on the roadside,
is that the same test that they did the first
time around. It's just a double checking.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
No, they use different equipment.

Speaker 9 (18:31):
So yeah, the roadside test is very much like a
handheld device that's meant to be used in the field,
and so that's quite a specific test with actually higher thresholds.
So and then the lab test is done with different
equipment that's more precise, and it's got kind of lower
thresholds and it's a really long list of substances. So

(18:51):
there's kind of your benzodiazepine medicines, so you know, ol
praslam and in that kind of thing, and then there's
kind of sleeping tablets in there as well, pain medication, morphine,
but then also a bunch of illicit drugs as well,

(19:12):
GHB mean, that kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (19:14):
So how long could it detect drugs in someone's system for.

Speaker 9 (19:19):
This is that's a really big question that lots of
people have been asking us and that we don't really
have a clear answer for. So police for the roadside tests,
police are using the same Australia New Zealand standard that
is used in lots of kind of workplace testing devices.

(19:39):
There's basically a kind of a standard for sensitivity and
that standard standard actually specifically says that it's not appropriate
to relate the presence of drugs in oral fluid to impairment,
so we're not they're not testing for impairment. They're testing
for kind of recent drug use, but they haven't. We've

(20:02):
asked police to say, you know, what are the rough
detection windows here, so that people know and people can
kind of do the safe thing, But we haven't got
that information yet. But from the studies that are out there,
there's a real wide range. And the thing is, it
really depends on so many factors. You know, your body,
what you've been eating, how much you've taken, how frequently

(20:23):
you're taking a drug. So from what's out there, would
say THHC and cannabis can stick around in your saliva
from kind of twelve up to sometimes seventy two hours.
MDMA is sometimes a matter of days in some cases
and some studies up to four days, methamphetamine up to
four days, and cocaine up to.

Speaker 10 (20:41):
Forty eight hours.

Speaker 9 (20:42):
So the police have said that they've set the thresholds
at a level they consider to only indicate recent use,
but we haven't been able to kind of get any
more specific information than that, and that is a worry.

Speaker 4 (20:57):
So there is a chance that they may no longer
be impaired by the drug, but they could test positive
for it. So is there is there anything else that
the police can do on the roadside to judge just
to whether the person is impaired.

Speaker 9 (21:10):
Well not under this scheme. So that's kind of what
we've been arguing for from the beginning. We would much
rather an impairment approach, which actually then becomes pretty agnostic
as to how someone has impeared. You know, there's lots
of things like you know, lack of sleep, stress that
can cause impairment, and so we've been advocating for some

(21:34):
kind of tests that would test for impairment, but no,
this test, the random roadside tests basically if you take
them and you fail, then then that's the end of that.
The police can also do a compulsory impairment test, as
they can do with any traffic stop at the moment
if they have reasonable or good cause to suspect that

(21:56):
you are under the influence. That it gets a little
bit a little bit complicated. They can only happen up
to a certain point in this roadside drug screening process.
After you've failed two screening tests, they actually can't do
that compulsor impairment test anymore.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
I mean, Hayden, this is a really good move because
we know that over the fast few years has been
a consistent rise in the presence of impairing drugs and
drivers blood and fatal crashes. It's now generally about equal
to alcohol. So we want to do this. The laws
were changed in twenty twenty two. I feel like we've
been talking about it for so long. I'm sort of

(22:40):
still quite be taken back that we actually haven't started
doing this, But I'm presuming and I do believe that
the police did say the biggest issue to starting with
was that the roadside drug driving tests, that key tool
that they need, you know, they just couldn't find a
suitable one. Has that been the hold up?

Speaker 9 (23:00):
Yeah, And look, we would love it if there was
a test that was similar to alcohol breathalyzers, where you
could draw a pretty straight line between what the result
is and how likely it is that someone's impaired. It
just isn't the case for these other drugs. As I
said before, there's there's these huge, long windows where someone

(23:22):
may have taken the drug, but you know, hours or
days ago, be no longer impaired, but they are still
picked up by the system. And that's particularly problematic when
it comes to medicinal cannabis. So most medicinal cannabis now
contains THHC, and this will mean that you know, people
who are taking medicinal cannabis for whatever reason, for chronic pain,

(23:47):
for sleeping issues, may end up being barred from driving
for twelve hours. There is a medical defense in this scheme,
but that only actually kicks in once you once that
test goes to the lab, and once you get an
infringement notice. So that kind of ban from driving for
twelve hours if you fail twice at the roadside still

(24:10):
would apply no matter whether you are taking your medicinal cannabis.

Speaker 4 (24:13):
And that's totally that is going to that's going to
be an issue with all the prescribed medications. Don't look
if you get if you get sprung for taking an
illegal substance, I'm a bit I'm not so fussed if
you get you know, if you get the fine for that.
But you know, for people who actually do have a
doctor prescribe medications, there needs to be some kind of
allowance there or understanding of how that works. Do you
know what you would get what the fine would be?

Speaker 9 (24:38):
Yeah, yeah, So there's there's a couple of different fines.
So if you're if your sample get sent to the lab,
after that first positive test at the roadside, they'll test
for that long list of twenty five drugs. If they
find just one drug and you don't have a medical
defense for it, you'll get a two hundred dollar fine
and fifty demerit points. And if they find two or

(25:01):
more drugs they'll get at you'll get a four hundred
dollars fine and seventy five mi points.

Speaker 4 (25:08):
Okay, is that a lot?

Speaker 9 (25:12):
I would say it's it's probably on par with the
that kind of lower tier of the alcohol breath testing regime.
So obviously alcohol breath testing kind of has the two
different tiers of the kind of infringement zone. But then
if you blow well over then you get in too

(25:33):
much greater penalties. To be honest, I think that this
the finds probably reflect the the confidence in the results
and the technology. As I said before, the standard that
they're using actually explicitly says it's not appropriate to use
this as a measure of impairment, and so the law

(25:54):
is actually quite heatedly written to say to say nothing
about impairment around this this testing rosard testing regime. It's
all about the detection of drugs, no matter kind of
whether that's impairing you or not.

Speaker 4 (26:08):
Yeah, Hayden, thank you so much of your time. Really
appreciate this morning. That was Hayden Eastern Main. They're giving
us sort of a drug roadside drug testing one oh
one lecture there on how it's all going to work
in things. A little bit to consider there, and I
imagine that if you do have some kind of prescription
of some sort or medical cannabis, that you talk to

(26:32):
your prescriber about it and making sure I don't know
what do you do, put a note in the glove
box or put it in your wallet, or something from
your doctor or something that might be able to help
you out there, because that's going to be the interesting bit,
isn't it. It is twenty one to ten. Don't forget
the coming up after ten Suzanvager.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
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Speaker 4 (26:56):
Right Your Sunday Session. As I mentioned earlier in the show,
former top Cop Andrew Costa is talking to Jack Tame.
Jack has asked him if there were any red flags
in regards to miss skimming, and this is what he
had to say.

Speaker 8 (27:09):
I was assured that there was no work connection makes sense. Police, right, Yes,
place is a very big organization.

Speaker 7 (27:16):
Sure, but the mere fact, okay, the mere fact he's
had an affair shows that he is capable of deceit.
Then you find out that she is an employee of police.
She might not have been a direct report, but at
the very least that for most people would be a.

Speaker 11 (27:30):
Point of huge concern. Yeah, and look I did.

Speaker 8 (27:33):
I did quism on it, but I didn't look into
it in the way that I should have. And had
I looked into it, what I could have discovered, potentially
was that he had had a role in helping to
secure that employment.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
News talks'd be political. Reporter Ethan Griffiths has been watching
the interview and he joins me, now.

Speaker 12 (27:52):
Good morning, good morning, Francesca.

Speaker 4 (27:54):
Right, what are some of your main takeaways from this interview?

Speaker 12 (27:57):
Well, this is pretty extraordinary. Bear with me here. The
nub of this is that Mitchell says he was never
briefed by Andrew Costa on missus allegations against Jevin mcskimming
before November last year. Now, Mitchell has always maintained that
since the IPCA report came out, but Costa, in this

(28:18):
Q and a interview with Jack Tame says he did
tell Mitchell earlier than that, he just couldn't say when
have a listen to this clip.

Speaker 7 (28:26):
Mark Mitchell told us on Q and A that he
only heard about the devin Ck skimming misconduct delegations on
November sixth of last year.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Is that correct? No, that is not correct.

Speaker 8 (28:37):
There is no way that I was only just telling
him about all of this in my last couple of
weeks in the job. That was my last week in
the job. We had discussed this informally at some stage
through the course of twenty twenty four. I can't tell
you exactly when that occurred. Again, it was a you know,
it was an informal conversation.

Speaker 12 (28:59):
So that's the headlight out of this. Costa has essentially
accused Police Minister Mark Mitchell of not telling the truth,
and it goes further than that. He didn't aim his
sites just on Mitchell, but also Chris Hipkins, who was
police minister in twenty twenty two.

Speaker 10 (29:14):
Now.

Speaker 12 (29:15):
Costa says he told Hipkins about Mick Skimmings's affair, how
it had soured, and that the woman at the center
of it was making allegations via emails. Chris Hipkins when
the report came out, said he was never told of
any concern. Of course, mc skimmings became a statutory deputy
commissioner under Hipkins's reign that went through cabinet when Hipkins

(29:35):
was Police Minister. Hipkins has given a statement to Q
and A again saying that he has no recollection of
that conversation.

Speaker 4 (29:43):
Okay, So have we had a response from Police Minister
Mike Mitchell as these accusations that cost is making.

Speaker 12 (29:50):
We have this has just come to hand from his office. Quote.
It is disappointing that, following his resignation that came with
an apology to police less than a week ago, mister
Costa is trying to deflect and re litigate matters. I
firmly stand by all my statements and facts present in
relation to the IPCA report. Mister Costa's recollections are wrong.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
Now.

Speaker 12 (30:11):
Mitchell also says he wants to make clear Costa never
briefed him before November twenty twenty four. He also says
that the IPCA found Costa's own recollections to be inconsistent
and unreliable, and he goes even further than that quote.
If mister Costa's focus is on relitigating matters. There are
legal recourses available to him, and if he truly believes

(30:33):
what he's saying, nothing prevents him from pursuing those. That
is the Minister of Police saying to his former commissioner,
put up or shut up?

Speaker 4 (30:43):
Do you think he can put up ethan Well?

Speaker 12 (30:47):
Andrew Costa has said in this interview with Jack Tame
that he has no evidence of these conversations, both with
Chris Hipkins and with Mark Mitchell. Now it is interesting
Costa does make the point that there's no way, as
you heard in that clip, he would tell Mark Mitchell
about that in the final week of his job. But
he also says that the conversations were informal. He says

(31:08):
that the one that he had with Chris Hipkins about
this was in the back of a car as they
were driving through Ka Kuorta. So I mean, for serious
allegations like this, you wouldn't necessarily think that's the place
that you'd have that conversation. Of course, as I said before,
and as Mark Mitchell's statement, the IPCA did have questions
and concerns about the validity of Andrew Costa's statements in

(31:30):
reply to these allegations. And the findings that have been found.
So it is hard to say. The reality here is though,
as he says, he has no evidence and an absence
of that, I think it's going to be a very
difficult thing to prove.

Speaker 4 (31:40):
Yeah, there's also the talk about who was controlling the
emails coming into Mitchell's office from the police. Was there
anything else on that, Yeah.

Speaker 12 (31:48):
These are the thirty six emails that MISSI sent to
Mitchell's office attempting to raise the allegations with him. Now,
Mitchell says that Costa had directed Secondi's from police who
are in Mark Mitchell's ministerial office, to immediately forward the
emails back to police so Mitchell couldn't see them. Now,
Costa says in the interview today that that is untrue.

(32:09):
There's some discussion there of a retrospective file note that
details from notes at the time what happened there that
Costa says he's seen. I obviously haven't seen that file
note this morning, so it is hard to say. But
Costa of course denying that he made that direction to
Seconde's in Mark Mitchell's office.

Speaker 4 (32:26):
Another interesting aspect of the interview, too is Andrew Coster
saying that he was very unimpressed with the way the
government minister's handled the release of the report, like basically
laying it out there that there was police corruption and
saying so much when that actually wasn't stated. Obviously serious
failings by police, but that police corruption wasn't something that
was being you know, kind of named within the report.

(32:47):
Do you think he's got a point there?

Speaker 12 (32:50):
He absolutely does have a point. I mean, these these
are findings that are very formal and official in nature.
You can't have a minister going out and saying, you know,
if it looks like a duk off it quacks like
a duck, it's a duck as a public service minister.
Due Toith Colin said, and Mark Mitchell himself even used
the word corruption and later walked that back. These are

(33:10):
serious failings. I don't think anyone would lose sight of that.
But of course the IPC eight did not say corruption.
You can't really say that it is.

Speaker 4 (33:20):
Ethan Griffith, thank you so much for being across this
for us this morning. Very much appreciate it. Can you
hear from you about what you think about this? It
is going to be, it is going to be who
do you believe?

Speaker 10 (33:32):
Right?

Speaker 4 (33:33):
Like to know your thoughts. Two ninety two. It is
twelve to ten.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
Started your day, entoiteen, it's the Mic Asking Breakfast.

Speaker 13 (33:41):
So given it's the time of the year, less welcome
back out of the Prime Minister for one last time
for the first of season, Christopher Luxeon and on the news,
I saw you saying I've got a gift swap and
I fly I'm actually really confident in my exchange. Now
listen to this. This is why we've given you party.
We sat down, we had and on our left. Stop
eating dinner on your knee. It's not healthy. So this
is unique. It's a one off unlap that.

Speaker 12 (34:01):
Oh look at this.

Speaker 11 (34:03):
It was looking good until I took this out.

Speaker 12 (34:06):
Okay, listeners, so what we've got is meal trace.

Speaker 14 (34:08):
But then Amanda and I are now going to have
the great pleasure of looking.

Speaker 13 (34:11):
At the wonderful face of Mike Hosking on top of
our now good bye with it.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
Bailey's Real Estate on News Talks ed B Keep It Simple.
It's Sunday the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and Wigkles
For the best selection of Great Breads, News Talks, Ed
Bastle Monc.

Speaker 4 (34:40):
Thank you very much for your text, mister Costa's book.
This crime was being too soft and trusting, and that
is what is most concerning trust, lies and deception. Does
that add up to corruption within no idea Texte. I
would love to read the rest of the text, but
actually not one of them. It is broadcastable, so we'll

(35:00):
just all use our imaginations there to imagine what I've
been text.

Speaker 15 (35:04):
Now.

Speaker 4 (35:04):
Look, I know the impact Dame Jacindra Adern has on
you all. She is a very polarizing person and this
is something that Graham Norton asked her about when she
appeared on his show.

Speaker 8 (35:16):
There is still this very kind of vociferous group of
New Zealand who feel very strongly about you.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
What went wrong?

Speaker 16 (35:23):
I think you know one thing, And again, of course,
we all take responsibility for our own time in politics
and an office, and so I say this next thing
not to diminish that, but I think we have seen
politics globally shift gears, and I think we have seen politics,
you know, carry a lot more grievance from individuals, and

(35:45):
it's in some ways become more violent and aggressive.

Speaker 4 (35:48):
So if you'd like to hear more, if you'd like to,
It's not compulsory if you'd like to do that. Episode
will air in New Zealand on December the twelfth on
TV and Z two and TV n Z plus a
few more techs coming through here. I think these ones
are okay, hyper just good, thick and closed ranks. Lying
is as bad as it can get. Morning Freshers get

(36:09):
Andrew Costro an okay person, but an incompetent cop. Laura
text to say I'm sorry, but Costa quizing skinning about
the allegations at the time is not good enough. He
was very naive. Another one here, I do not believe
Mitchell is squeaky clean in his answers regarding this matter.
He would have known full well the situation and sub

(36:33):
it goes on. Thank you very much for those texts.
He can keep them coming through. On ninety two ninety.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Two the Sunday Session Full Show podcast on my Heart
Radio powered by News talks.

Speaker 4 (36:44):
Be you will have heard in the news about Netflix
looking to acquire Warner Brothers. It's pretty interesting story, this one.
I mean, obviously there's a lot of regulation to get
through as to whether it will even happen in the
US and in Europe. Steve Nell will be with us
next hour. He'll just sort of talk through the implication

(37:05):
of that and give us a bit of an understanding
and things. Right, do you remember this song? Everyone knows
this song, and even though it's almost forty years old,
musicians still cover it and make it their own. I am,
of course talking about Tom's Diner by Suzanne Vega, the songwriter,

(37:26):
storyteller and poet. She is quite remarkable, and she is
going to join me next to talk about songwriting longevity. Gosh,
she's been it, she's been around a while. As I said,
song is almost forty years old, and why she has
finally come out to talk about the fact that she

(37:47):
is Luca. Yes, she is Luca, and she will explain
more after News and Sport, which is next year on
Newsbooks EBB.

Speaker 17 (38:02):
There's a woman outside talking and so does she see me? No,
she does not see me. She sees her own reflection.
And I'm trying not to notice that she's ching up
her skirt and now she's straightened in her stockings. Her
hair has sadden with.

Speaker 18 (38:36):
Oh, this eren.

Speaker 17 (38:38):
Continue through the morning. As I'm listening to the bells.

Speaker 5 (38:42):
Of the Cathedral.

Speaker 17 (38:48):
I Am thinking of your boy.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
Sunday with Sky Well the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin
and Wiggles for the best selection of great greats.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Please talk Sippy. My name is Ulga.

Speaker 17 (39:23):
I live on the second floor. I live upstairs from you. Yes,
I think you've seen me before.

Speaker 5 (39:35):
You here.

Speaker 17 (39:36):
Something wad to day?

Speaker 19 (39:38):
That's some kind of troublesome kind of play.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
Just don ask me, Just does ask me what it was?

Speaker 19 (39:50):
Just does ask me what it was?

Speaker 4 (39:54):
It is seven past tenure with the Sunday Session. Louca
was a huge hit for American folk rock artist Suzanne Vega,
launching her onto the global music scene back in nineteen
eighty seven. Most forty years on, Susanna is still making music.
Her latest album, Flying with Angels, received rave reviews, with
Rolling Stone referring to it as the best album of

(40:15):
twenty twenty five so far. With the album out, Susanna's
hitting the road. She is heading back here next year
during Auckland, Wellington and christ Church. Suzann Vega, good morning,
Thank you so much for your time.

Speaker 5 (40:26):
Oh you're welcome.

Speaker 4 (40:28):
You released Flying with Angels earlier this year. Rolling Ston
said it was one of the best albums of the
year so far. It's had rave reviews. How satisfying is
it to get that response after being in the business
for so long.

Speaker 15 (40:42):
It's very satisfying. I was very happy, especially because this
album took about ten years to get it together and
to come out with.

Speaker 5 (40:56):
The new songs.

Speaker 15 (40:57):
So I'm really thrilled that it's been so nicely received.

Speaker 4 (41:02):
As you mentioned, it's been a while. I mean, it
is the tenth album, the last one I think was
around twenty sixteen. That process. Then, in creating music, are
you always writing and creating or do you take breaks
from itting things?

Speaker 15 (41:20):
Well, my career has spanned a lot of different types of.

Speaker 5 (41:24):
Disciplines.

Speaker 15 (41:26):
I've done other things that what I've been doing in
the last ten years, for example, was I had a
one woman show that ran off Broadway and then also
had an opening down in Texas. So it wasn't as
though I got a break from writing songs. I kind
of did, but I was also doing this theater piece,

(41:47):
so that took up time. The theater takes a lot
of time, and it's a little more.

Speaker 5 (41:53):
Communal than just sitting up.

Speaker 15 (41:55):
There with your guitar and playing by yourself. So yeah,
it took a while to get that done finished, and
then just as I turned around to start writing songs again,
had the pandemic. So that's also what took a lot
of time to get through that and feel confident about
writing again.

Speaker 4 (42:15):
When you talk about theater and of being more communal,
is is that an endurable I know that you've collaborated
with a lot of people throughout your career, but is
that a nice change to be in that kind of
environment as opposed to a solo artist.

Speaker 15 (42:27):
Yes, for the most part, you know, there is something
to be said for sitting alone in a room with
a guitar and just relying on your own confident instincts.
So it took a little adjustment to working in the theater,
where you have a director, you have a lighting designer,
you have you know, the people with the theater who

(42:49):
want to make sure that you're doing the right thing.
So that's you know, but I can do both and
I'm happy in either situation.

Speaker 4 (42:58):
The first track on the album is Speaker's Corner, and
you describe sort of a permanent state of emergency. The
lyrics are or those full of wind and air, who
howland rant and raves screaming out distorted facts about the
souls they save. I mean, it feels very much like
a song that relates to the world at the moment.

Speaker 15 (43:19):
Yes, and it's one that I wrote about two years ago,
thinking that by the time this album came out that
the song might be considered old fashioned or not really
relevant anymore. But instead we've gone the other way, so
now it seems to be more relevant week by week.

Speaker 5 (43:35):
Especially over here. I mean, I would be reletive.

Speaker 15 (43:39):
It would be relevant in almost any century, really, because
you always have those kinds of people who are trying
to stir up the trouble. But it's particularly relevant right now.

Speaker 4 (43:54):
Chamber Maid came from a dream you had about Bob Dylan,
and I love the song, and I'm wondering, what is
it about an experience or something go through that then
makes you want to turn that into a song.

Speaker 5 (44:09):
Well, I woke up.

Speaker 15 (44:12):
With not only the thought in my mind that I
was Bob Dylan's chambermaid and I was going to tell
her story somehow. I mean that in itself is sort
of remarkable. I don't wake up every day like that,
you know.

Speaker 4 (44:25):
I have a lot of dreams that we wouldn't turn
into songs.

Speaker 5 (44:28):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 15 (44:29):
Most of my dreams are a lot more prosaic than that.
But I also had the melody and the music going
through my head, so this seemed like just a great
big push, like get.

Speaker 5 (44:40):
Myself to this.

Speaker 15 (44:42):
In fact, this very desk wroom sitting now is where
I sat with my guitar and pulled out my book
of Bob Dylan chords and wrote the whole thing in
about an hour and fifteen minutes.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
Does that happen often, Susanne, that you'll wake up with
such clarity around a song.

Speaker 15 (45:01):
It happened twice on this collection of songs. It happened
with the Chambermaid's Song, and it also happened with Flying
with Angels. It was almost as though I got in
a directive saying write a song called Flying with Angels,
and I woke up going no, I won't, I don't
want to that. To me, it sounded too country. It

(45:22):
sounded like a country song. So then I the little
voice in my mind giving me the direction, said, if
you were going to write a song called Flying with
Angels the way Suzanne Vega does it, you know, try that.
So I thought, okay, I won't just dismiss it out
of hand, because you know, I thought it was a

(45:43):
little corny, But when I actually wrote the song, I thought, Okay,
this is something that really speaks to the moment I'm
living in, and it ended up being the title track.

Speaker 4 (45:53):
Isn't that the joy though, of writing a song that
you don't necessarily know where it might in That it's
that whole creative process. It's a journey, right and not
quite knowing where it might land.

Speaker 15 (46:07):
That is very astute of you to say that, because
not all people understand that. I think some people think
you get the message first, and then you write a
song that has that particular message, which would really be
very boring, you know, to have a message and then
write the song that says that same message. I really
love a song that has surprises or weird twists. That's

(46:29):
why I love Bob Dyllan because his songs are so
startling and so unpredictable that and yet familiar somehow, you know.

Speaker 5 (46:40):
So I am a big fan of having.

Speaker 15 (46:45):
A surprise ending or the twist of phrase that takes
you somewhere.

Speaker 4 (46:51):
You're regarded as a poet as much as a storyteller
and a songwriter. Where did that storytelling, that poet inside
you come from.

Speaker 15 (47:04):
My guess is that it always there. I think it's
something that you're born with. It's a way of seeing things.
I think I've always seen things in metaphor another name
for that is seeing things in pictures. And I did
definitely had that sort of that's the way I think
and feel. But the other thing that really helped me

(47:27):
was having brothers and sisters because I was the oldest
of four, and one of my earliest tasks that I
was given was to take these kids and do something
with them.

Speaker 5 (47:37):
So I practiced.

Speaker 15 (47:42):
Keeping them amused, and that meant singing to them, or
telling stories or making jokes or doing anything that would
keep them engaged and amused. And I can tell you
they were not always an easy audience, because if they
found me too boring, they would fight with each other
or just leave the room.

Speaker 4 (47:59):
I love it, so they were your first audience. It's
always good to have a tough audience first up, isn't
it Stance sort of levels of expectation.

Speaker 15 (48:07):
Exactly right, And I think it gave me good instincts
actually as to how to keep an audience amused and
what to do and how to approach how to approach
them because we're all sort of little kids in our hearts.

Speaker 4 (48:18):
Yeah, we can definitely find storytelling in poetry and pockets
of music these days. But just in general, do you
think it's something that we're losing in music?

Speaker 5 (48:29):
Uh?

Speaker 15 (48:30):
No, I think that there's I think there's always been
a strand of music that's like pop music, popular music,
and then there's always the poetic storytelling vein of music.
You know, maybe the stuff that was thought of as

(48:51):
pop music one hundred years ago, maybe now we would
look on it and see it for for all the
crafting that went into it. You know, there was a
time when tin panale music was considered just like hokey uh,
stuff done by hacks, you know, but that's not true.
I mean, actually the people who did ten pinale music's

(49:14):
were great craftsmen, and they it was popular, But that
didn't mean that it was bad.

Speaker 5 (49:20):
So I don't know how to answer that. You know,
it depends on uh, depends on what you listen to,
what you like.

Speaker 15 (49:30):
But one thing I can say for sure, and that
is that music created by AI is really bad.

Speaker 5 (49:38):
I just want to put that out there.

Speaker 4 (49:40):
It's okay, I think if you listen to it, you
know you would one hundred percent agree with you. My
guest is Suzanne Vegas. Suzanne Tom's Diner is a song
that is still going strong with many remixes and samples.
I found in I'm old fashioned. I keep all my
CDs in vinyl, and I actually found my copy of

(50:00):
the Tom's Diner remixes and by done by so many
different people and things. How do you feel the bad that?
Do you enjoy seeing what people do with your music?
Has the longevity of a song like that surprised you?

Speaker 5 (50:14):
Yeah, very much.

Speaker 15 (50:17):
It's been amazing, even from the first remix, which was
of course done by DNA. They provided my little song
with a bed of rhythm, and then that a chorus
that I never would have thought of. You know, to me,
a chorus was something you work on and you know,
has lyrics other than da da da da. But you

(50:39):
know that's okay. They saw it differently and there it
was fantastically successful, So I thank them for that. And
it's it's because it's so simple. It has become completely contagious,
so people can take it and make make it their
own thing.

Speaker 5 (50:59):
And I love it.

Speaker 15 (51:00):
I think it's really cool that I am now part
of the world in that way.

Speaker 4 (51:03):
Because when I went to look for the CDs, I
found them in my sixteen year old daughter's room, and
I imagined I was talking to you, and she was like, ah,
love Susan bagain. And she goes, oh, here are the CDs,
and I'm like, okay, thanks. And I wonder whether when
you entered the industry, whither you expected that an almost
forty years time, a sixteen year old girl in New
Zealand would know all the lyrics and know the songs.

Speaker 15 (51:27):
Let's just say that the people I loved at sixteen
were those kinds of people. I mean, I love Leonard Cohen,
who was considering an old old man back and when
I was a teenager, and so he wasn't popular, but
there were certain people who knew who he was, and
so I wanted to be one of those people, one
of those people that people would seek out. It's not

(51:51):
really a generational thing. It's more like there's a certain
stripe of person through the generations that will seek out
my music because it's interesting to them.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
That is well put, that is very well put. I
also want to talk to you about Luca. You wrote
that story from the viewpoint of a boy. In recent years,
you have admitted it was based on you as a child.
Why after so long have you finally admitted that.

Speaker 15 (52:19):
Well, I had a very enterprising young man who wanted
to do a podcast, and he approached me. And the
interesting thing about him is he was not a journalist.
He was a historian, and he was doing a podcast
for the Museum of the City of New York. And
he approached me and he said, I want to do

(52:40):
this interview with you, but I want you to know
that I know that you are Luca. And I know
this because I saw your stepfather's memorial online. So I thought,
oh my gosh, this guy's really done his homework. And
I just made the decision right there that this would
be a good moment to come forward with the truth.

(53:01):
I felt over the years that continuing to pretend that
there was this, I mean, there was a boy, his
name was Luca, he did live upstairs for me.

Speaker 5 (53:10):
He was not abused.

Speaker 15 (53:12):
So that's the story always told, leaving out my part
in it, you know, So I thought it started to
feel like a lie. It started to feel like over
the years, times have changed and people talk more about
all kinds of abuse. It's more humanizing and I've felt

(53:34):
that it was the honest thing to do.

Speaker 4 (53:36):
So Sam, we're very excited you're returning to New Zealand.
You're back here next September. You were last here in
twenty eighteen, of course before the pandemic, but before that
it was about the twenty five year gap, so we
are delighted your coming back. Do you enjoy touring in
New Zealand?

Speaker 5 (53:53):
I love New Zealand.

Speaker 15 (53:54):
I'm familiar with it because well, Neil Finn works a
lot with my ex husband and Mitchell from who is
the father of my so I have a special feeling
in my heart for New Zealand, not only because of that,
but because it's a beautiful place and I love the

(54:15):
spirit there and the natural world and you know.

Speaker 5 (54:19):
It's it's a place I like to go to.

Speaker 4 (54:22):
And Suzanne, when need tour, do you focus on the
latest album or do you you you know, play music
from throughout your entire career.

Speaker 15 (54:32):
I play music from my entire career.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
You know.

Speaker 15 (54:36):
We mix a lot of the older stuff. We try
and mix in the new ones that make sense, the
ones that people will get and understand, the ones that
people are excited by, and there's been quite a few
of them from this new album. So we've been thrilled
with the response so far to the tour.

Speaker 4 (54:54):
Suzan Vega, thank you so much for your time today.
It's been a delight to talk to you and meet you.

Speaker 5 (54:58):
Thank you so much, thank you, thank you for having me.

Speaker 4 (55:02):
Suzann Vega is heading to Wellington christ Church in Auckland
next September. Ticket are on sale now and coming up
after eleven. Don't Forget Castaway are with me. They're a
keevy band on the rise, some charming young men with
some pretty good tunes up their sleeve. So, as I
mentioned after eleven, right it is twenty three past ten.

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Speaker 20 (56:54):
Good morning.

Speaker 10 (56:54):
Do you know like Christmas music?

Speaker 20 (56:55):
I love that. I think I developed PTSD while working
in a CD store during Christmas at Saint Luke's More.

Speaker 4 (57:03):
Ye, there we go.

Speaker 20 (57:04):
No no Carrols players.

Speaker 4 (57:07):
Okay, we'll both get rid of the Christmas scrunch. I'll
get into it. Let's start with the Netflix Warner Brothers deal. Obviously,
it is not a done deal. There is a lot
of competition regulation to get through in both the US
and in Europe before this deal even comes to fruition.
But talk us through what the consequences of Yeah, totally.

Speaker 20 (57:29):
So this is pretty much announced as a fire compley right, Like, Yes,
there are some regulatory hurdles to cross, but Netflix has
successfully made an eighty two point seven billion dollar bid
for Warner Brothers Discovery buying its Warner Brothers Film and
TV studio and alsoo HBO Max. So it's further market
consolidation in a space that that has just been accelerating

(57:52):
in recent months and years. So from a practical point
of view, they've now got a big They'll now have
a big library of existing IP, a whole bunch of
franchises and series, you know, stuff like Harry Potter and
Game of Thrones, The Bachelor, or The Big Bang Theory
or whatever. And you can see some of this's working
really really well on Netflix. I can we just slot
and nicely. So it's partly content acquisition, but it is

(58:13):
also a pretty big shift in the landscape. As recently
as just a few months ago, Netflix CEO Ted surround
Us was talking about a movie going as being outmoded
for most people, and they've they've kind of consistently positioned themselves.
As much as they try to support filmmakers are quotes,
they are eroding the cinema going experience, he boasted on

(58:36):
the call Within It Will. They announced the steal that
they Netflix had released about thirty films into theaters this year,
so it's not like we have this opposition to movies
and theaters. However, if you've been trying to see some
of the titles in New Zealand, you'd see that the
release footprints are nothing like actual big studio releases. You
wouldn't know the Knives Out sequel was in cinemas most
people house of dynamite. These films are popping up, but

(58:59):
they're not treating it like they're I guess a product
that you start making money on from the time in
a cinema right through to a good window before it
goes to streaming, and then there's kind of lifespan that
goes on for several years of being a big title
Warner Brothers, I help would affect their output. I think
the first thing that I started thinking about was what
their list of big films for this year had been,

(59:21):
and if there's a decreased appetite for putting things out
theatrically and try to make money that way. I don't
know you're going to see it. Are you going to
see more films like Sinners or Weapons or definitely one
battle after another becomes a much more challenging prospect. All
the sorts of films that will be part of Oscar's
conversation for for Warner Brothers and Slash Netflix in the

(59:43):
new year.

Speaker 4 (59:43):
Now, Okay, I felt that it was inevitable that we
would have streaming services that would start to merge at
some point. I hadn't sort of anticipated the film studios mood.
I mean, I suppose that was always an option. Is
it just kind of a sign of the time that
it's growing and streaming is ruling, But really they just
can't You can't have a.

Speaker 20 (01:00:06):
Playing field for streaming where they just keep adding a
new service with plus on the end of it. You know,
it's been quite crazy. It's been whack them all.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
Right.

Speaker 20 (01:00:12):
People don't subscribe to all things. They have one or
a couple and just kind of move around and move
the trials around and chase the things they want to see.
So from a consumer behavior point of view, it's probably
not that significantly different, but it's just it's that consolidation,
especially with over libraries of content that can be taken
offline sort of by whim. There's a cultural preservation things

(01:00:32):
to me, I'm not not thrilled about that. And also,
you know, Netflix has built a big empire largely off
the back of an industry that has brought people together
to watch these sorts of titles. And you know, there's
no way this will not deteriorate.

Speaker 4 (01:00:50):
My producer that Sam says to me today, he said, Look,
cinema has been fading for a long time. It's hugely expensive.
It costs a lot to go. You know, it's kind
of driven itself into the ground. You know, it's a
special treat. Going to the cinema is going to have
to be a special occasion that's going to need to
be you know, it needs to be sort of a
boutique kind of experience going forward. And interestingly, I think

(01:01:11):
that this year I've under really understood the difference between
watching a film at home and going and having an
experience in a cinema. I've had some extraordinary experiences with
a group of people in a dark room with a
massive screen and the impact that that film can have
on me and things. It's it resonates so much more

(01:01:32):
at the moment, I think, and just going through you're
yourself to nonsense and.

Speaker 20 (01:01:38):
You're committing to sharing a moment with other people too,
not being distracted by all your devices hanging away, and
ready to give a piece of some of the pieces
with the attention they deserve, and you get more out
of it. So go cinema. I love it, and this
is annoying to me, but nevertheless, we will carry on
trying to watch the good stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:01:59):
We shall all about it, wait and see how it
all unfolds. Steve Neill, thank you so much. Doctor Michelle
Dickinson is with us next, but the rather con science
study for all of us. It is twenty seven to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on news talks.

Speaker 4 (01:02:19):
At b doctor Michelle Dickinson joins me. Now, good morning,
good morning. Now, sometimes you bring in studies I find
absolutely fascinating, and occasionally you bring in a study which
I find absolutely fascinating, but then think we should completely forget.

Speaker 21 (01:02:31):
This is the one I did. I brought this in
because I was like, I love that science is there.
I am never going to use this.

Speaker 4 (01:02:36):
Data tell us about how garlic could be the next
big thing in mouthwash.

Speaker 21 (01:02:42):
Yeah, it's disgusting. Okay, So garlic is famous for lots
of things. I love it on my bread, I love
it for thinking about warding of vampires. I think that
when I'm cooking garlic in the kitchen, my house smells amazing. However,
new research which has just come out in the Journal
of Herbo Medicine has said this is going to be
an amazing ingredient for mouthwash, and I went.

Speaker 4 (01:03:03):
Let me read some more.

Speaker 21 (01:03:04):
So garlic can offer an amazing antimicroboal powers, and it
can actually rule out the need to use a chemical
that's called chlorhexidine, which is mostly in mouthwashes right now,
and that's what we use as a sort of antibacterial agent.
So there is a compound called alisin, which is released

(01:03:24):
when garlic is crushed or chop, and we know that
it inhibits bacteria, fungi, and some viruses, and previous studies
show that garlic has reduced inflammation in the mouth and
even maybe killed microbes in root canal systems. So these
researchers went, oh, what about if we put it in
a bottle and made you swill? It is that good? Yes,
the study said, it is amazing, And yes it is

(01:03:48):
as good as clorhextine, which is the gold standard of
antimicrobial mouthwashes, and yes you can use it. And it
doesn't have the same side effects. It doesn't stand your
teeth like clohexidine does. It doesn't after the tastes in
your mouth. It doesn't cause mouth irritation. Great, So they
put it basically in a liquid. They made these people
wash their mouths with it. All the bacteria were gone.

(01:04:10):
It was so efficient, but as you can imagine, no
one wants to be anywhere near you. The patients stank.
They had their worst garlic breath ever. They said it
tasted disgusting. They said, yeah, I've got no bacteria in there,
but I feel gross.

Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
So it's a trade off. Could they work out whether
just eating it would also heaven unpicked?

Speaker 21 (01:04:30):
No, it was definitely right. You have to get and between.
You've got to have that contact where it's on there
for more than thirty seconds. No, you've got to gargle
the garlic. But everybody said, this is the most ascessing
thing I've had to gargle. And afterwards they had garlic
breath for hours. So you know, if you don only
use chemicals, garlic is your thing. But if you want

(01:04:50):
to have friends, I'm not sure there's a science I'm
going to use.

Speaker 4 (01:04:54):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
Thank you so much, Michelle for Sunday Session full show
podcast on iHeart Radio powered by News Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
It be.

Speaker 4 (01:05:03):
Thank you for your ticks. You can tixe anytime throughout
the morning. On ninety two, ninety two, Lee texts to
say that a teacher at my college chewed full clothes
of garlic when teaching. Oh my god, the smell. But
he had such white white teeth. Then we go, maybe
we should all get over ourselves and just get into
the garlic anyway. Mike vander alson our residence Chief is

(01:05:23):
with us now. Good morning, Mike, Good morning, and we're
going to keep the Christmas inspiration going with some great
ideas for the Christmas menu and we're going to talk
about sides and salads today.

Speaker 22 (01:05:34):
Yeah, well it's it's pretty crucial particularly you know, like
if you think of a daylight today measurement of Christmas Day,
twenty eight degrees light today, you know it's going to
be toast.

Speaker 4 (01:05:44):
The Hawk's bay, it probably will be.

Speaker 22 (01:05:48):
It's toasting. And so that the sides are crucial to
any sort of with you assuming turkey, whatever, The protein
and the sides are probably the most important part I
think of a Christmas Day, even more so than dessert.
And that's that's saying something. So when it comes to side,
what we what are we looking for in regards to

(01:06:08):
sides and salad. So think balance is probably a big
thing that would come to my mind. So you're going
sweet versus tart, You're going heavy and creamy versus light
and crispy. So you know, what you don't want to
be doing is serving up everything that's say mayonnaise based
or cream based. So if you've got a potato salad

(01:06:30):
and then you're serving that alongside a heavy mayonnaise based
cold saw and then you're serving that alongside some heavy
you know, grutt and potatoes.

Speaker 12 (01:06:39):
That are cooked and cream.

Speaker 22 (01:06:40):
You know, all these things are going to end up
with all your guests and your family lying in the
corner asleep by three o'clock in the afternoon. So think
of the classic potato salad and then match that up
with a crispy lettuce salad, you know, with a simple
dressing like go lemon juice, mustard, a little bit of
olive or salt, pepper done, you know. So it's it's

(01:07:01):
it's finding that balance in your sides.

Speaker 4 (01:07:04):
Okay, something to think. You know, You're give me quite
a lot to think about that. I don't put that
much eve and I go, I want I eat. I
love that salad. I like that one. I'll do this,
this and this, but no, a little bit more thought
would be.

Speaker 12 (01:07:15):
A little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
So you think raw raw salad versus cook salads.

Speaker 22 (01:07:19):
So you know you're going you beetroot, carrot, pumpkin seeds.
I'm gonna match that with a ready tart sort of
lime yogurt dressing, and then go, I'm going to have
a cook salad, which might be your potato salad, and
I'm going.

Speaker 10 (01:07:31):
To keep that quite light.

Speaker 22 (01:07:32):
So I'm just gonna make a pesto. I'm just gonna
dress that with a pesto. So try and keep things
as light as you can, because bear in mind, after
your your main course, you are diving into probably pavlovas
and cream.

Speaker 4 (01:07:44):
Gotta leave room for that. Got you've got a coupit
of recipes for us today, and we'll make sure that
we get all those up on our website. Which one
would you like to take us through?

Speaker 11 (01:07:52):
Bobby?

Speaker 22 (01:07:53):
The charred culiflower, just because couliflower will be still looking
reasonably good come Christmas.

Speaker 4 (01:07:58):
Excellent.

Speaker 22 (01:07:59):
So this is called an ember charred culiflower. And I
have spoken about this before, and it's Bobby is. It
would have to be in my top five cells to
serve it anytime, no matter what the occasion. So go
ahead of cauliflower. Bring a large pot of boiling or
water to the boil heavily, season that with some salt.
Take your whole cauliflower, drop that, and or you can,

(01:08:21):
if you want to speed that, you can cut your
cauliflower into large florettes. Drop that, and this will take
two minutes. Two to three minutes after that time, take
it out, plunge it into ice water to stop that
cooking and overcooking instantly. And then once it's called pull
it out, drain it, drizzle it with a little bit
of olive oil and a little bit of salt, a
little bit of pepper, and then fire that onto a barbecue.

(01:08:43):
So this is called ember fire char char charred couliflower.
So think of an open fire, think of a raging
hot barbecue. You need maximum heat for this. So take
your quliflower, put onto that barbecue and get it really
charred so the outside has got those nice bits of
darkness to them. And then once that's done, pulling macin

(01:09:06):
into a large bowl, and then comes all the important
other ingredients that makes a salad so special, and there's
not a lot to them. So one knob of like
a large knob of ginger, peel that and then finally
micro playing that flat leaf parsy. You want about a
cup to a half maybe a cup of actual chopped
flat leaf parsi, and then a cup of palms, and

(01:09:27):
so think of a good palmsan for this, Regina palmezano
grand a pando. Finally grate that on your microplane, add
that in and this would probably be the only time
in a lot of recipes that I actually want you
to use extra virsion olive bail for this because I
want that business. I want the flavor of the oil.
So about four tablespoons an extraversion olive bill. Maybe season
it up a little bit more, a bit more crack pep,

(01:09:47):
a little bit more flaky salt. Give that a toss
if you want. You could swee some fresh lemon juice
over that and then serve that straight away. And it's
the most simple but really flavorsome salad with that charred cauliflower,
the ginger and the palmsan and the parsley, all kind
of coming together in a pretty cool marriage.

Speaker 4 (01:10:04):
Both these salads that you will. I've got roasted carrots
with mint emulsion and spiced chickpeas. These it be my meal.
I'd make these, just has not my meal.

Speaker 22 (01:10:13):
Yeah, oien is maybe a little bit of turkey or
a little sliced ham, and Bob's your auntie.

Speaker 10 (01:10:18):
You're all done.

Speaker 4 (01:10:19):
It's always important. I like, we've got members of our household,
some like meat, some don't. So you know, if you
often the salad becomes the main meal, and then there
might be a bit of protein on the side. If
somebody can't, you know, couldn't, couldn't possibly survive without a
little bit of it.

Speaker 22 (01:10:35):
So next week I'm actually talking about the protein, so
I can ever think about what I'm gonna which protein
I'm actually gonna do a recipe for, because I can't
do a.

Speaker 4 (01:10:43):
Rest before all the No do do you always have
a turkey at Christmas?

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
We don't.

Speaker 22 (01:10:48):
Our tradition is a Dutch dish called cow scottle, and
it's it's braised beef served with cold potato, pickles, gerkins
and those real tiny little pickled white onions with mayonnaise,
tomatoes and lettuce for scott.

Speaker 4 (01:11:05):
Alrighty, just imagine how the afternoon's going to play out
at your place.

Speaker 10 (01:11:09):
I love it.

Speaker 22 (01:11:10):
Yeah, delicious, Thank you so much, Mike.

Speaker 4 (01:11:13):
We will get to the imberchard couliflower and the roast
of carrots. Recipes up on our website NEWSTALKZIDB dot co
dot MZ forward slash Sunday for you if those salads
sound good to you. It is thirteen to eleven news
Talks at B.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
There's no better way to start your Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rutkin and Wiggles for
the best selection of great breeds Use talks'd.

Speaker 4 (01:11:39):
Be joining me now to talk wellness is Erin O'Hara.
Good morning, Good morning. Right, So we're heading into the
time of the year where maybe our willpower or our
consistency when it comes to eating well kind of goes
out the door. But we kind of, you know, go
why not and you know, have ourselves to an extra
sausage roll at that Christmas party or something. So you've

(01:12:01):
got a lovely little topic for us today about mindful eating.

Speaker 23 (01:12:06):
Yeah, I think at this time of year there's a
lot more variety of foods available, healthy and unhealthy, and
I think it's a time where it's not about feeling
guilty about what you're eating, but instead going, Okay, how
can I enjoy all these foods but keep it balanced?
And that's where really mindful eating is very, very helpful,
and it can mean you can still enjoy those extra

(01:12:27):
little treat foods and Christmas meals and not feel guilty
or feel sick after eating because you can bring up
a little bit of balance. And when I'm talking about
mindful eating, a meaning really fully connecting to what you're eating,
and all the sensations that you experience as you eat,
which is things like the site, like looking at it,

(01:12:48):
the sound, the touch, the smell, the taste, and actually
savoring every little mouthful of the goodness of whatever it
is that you're eating.

Speaker 4 (01:12:57):
I learned something interesting recently, and that is if you
want to feel full, like properly full, one of the
easiest ways to do that is to slow down your
eating and being a little bit more conscious of what
you're eating and mindful of what you're eating.

Speaker 23 (01:13:12):
Yeah, and that's what we're talking about, is just slowing
down and being more mindful of every mouth full that
you have and actually making sure you chew it properly,
which is actually the start of digestion. And that's where
mindful eating can actually improve digestion as well. So it
can help with reducing bloating and discomfort. It reduces the

(01:13:32):
chance of over eating because when you are eating slower,
your body actually has a chance to actually go, oh, yep,
I've eaten something.

Speaker 4 (01:13:39):
You get that brain message to tell.

Speaker 23 (01:13:41):
You that you're actually have a full and you actually
will be less likely to binge eat or overeat.

Speaker 4 (01:13:47):
I don't know whether other parents were the same as me.
But the minute I had kids, I changed the way
I ate. Like the way I ate just changed. It
was just rushed. It was always just hurried. It was like,
let's just get this meal and because the baby's going
to need you in a minute or you're going to
need to do this, so you've got to get moving
and do this.

Speaker 19 (01:14:00):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:14:00):
It completely change the way eat and occasionally has it
down and like just shovel food and I go, what
are you doing?

Speaker 23 (01:14:06):
It's a really common thing for parents today.

Speaker 4 (01:14:09):
They're teenagers. There's no rush here, you know, common.

Speaker 23 (01:14:13):
For parents, but also busy people like having you know,
your lunch at your desk, which I occasionally do do.
I am also one of these people that can be busy.
And it's actually not great for our new digestion. If
you're trying to read emails and shovel food in your mouth,
you're not actually going to have that ability to enjoy
the food and get all those good nutrients out of

(01:14:35):
it when you're actually rushing the meal and shoveling the food.

Speaker 4 (01:14:38):
In because you've actually got to think about slowing down.
It's not It sounds easy, right, It sounds like.

Speaker 23 (01:14:44):
The most basic principle, but it's so hard for the
busy person. Is actually's sitting down, So not eating on
the go, not eating in your car, not eating at
your dessert, actually sitting down, enjoying the meal, chewing your
food thoroughly, which is actually the start of digestion. Is
actually putting the food in your mouth, put your fork down,
and actually chew your food very thoroughly, because that's actually

(01:15:06):
having to break down the food, get all the saliva,
which is actually the start of breaking down fooding, digesting
food properly, and then also serving your food on a
plate and not eating out of the bag. So I
have in a bag of chips, like if you put
it into a little bowl, you're gonna actually have some
good portion control, and that's actually mindful eating in itself
is actually going you know what, I'm gonna have a

(01:15:27):
small bowl of chips, but I'm going to really enjoy
them and eat them slowly and actually get the taste
and the snow and the saltiness of them, and it'll
actually help you not over eat and eat a humongous.

Speaker 4 (01:15:40):
Bag of chips. Very good advice, erin Thank you so
much for talk.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
Next week, the.

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
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Speaker 10 (01:15:50):
I'd be.

Speaker 4 (01:15:52):
Okay. Lee's been having a little bit of fun with
the AI. When it comes to the garlic, he's done.
He's gone down an oral canal with the garlic garlic paste,
if you're at all interested. And this harks back to
doctor Shouldikinson talking about how you know, if we gargle
with garlic, we could have these beautiful healthy mounts and
could all hap immunes. It'small was coming, you know. Garlic paste.
Crush a clove and mix with a little salt for

(01:16:15):
a mild abrasive applied gently, leave for a minute or two,
then rinse. Well that might help with the white teeth.
Garlic mouthwash, stepped minced garlic and warm water. Strain it
and use it as a rinse to combat combat bacteria.
If that sounds like something you'd like to do, I
think I'll just stick with the garlic and the cook
and love megarlic, but just you know, but then the

(01:16:37):
meals fine. Thank you, but thank you very much for
doing that for me there. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:16:41):
If you haven't heard of Castaway, well you have now
and I imagine you're going to hear a lot more
from these guys. The guys in this band they all
meet while they were at Canterbury University. They've released an
EP it's called Non Dual, during the process of recording
an album which will be out next year. They've got
some great tunes, great voices. They're in next for a
chat and a song.

Speaker 18 (01:17:16):
It's an electrifund can't you get many fit cel.

Speaker 3 (01:17:23):
Have?

Speaker 11 (01:17:23):
Don't like an no.

Speaker 3 (01:17:32):
You?

Speaker 1 (01:17:59):
Welcome to the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and Wiggles
for the best selection of great reeds used.

Speaker 4 (01:18:06):
To good to have you with us? Coming up this hour,
Joan has the best kids books for Christmas. There's some
great gift ideas in there. Piney on the cricket taking
place in our neck of the woods this week. And
Meghan has a tip if you're heading away for the

(01:18:27):
long summer break, and it's to do with your car battery. Honestly,
this woman, she thinks of everything.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
The Sunday Session.

Speaker 4 (01:18:58):
Now, I am telling you this right now. This is
a band going places. This song is Daisy from christ
Church based pop rock band Castaway. In October, they released
their sophomore EP non dual and they're now getting regular
airplay on many mainstream radio stations. Very exciting times for
the band, and I'm thrilled to have three of the
five band members here, Joe, Reese and Often welcome.

Speaker 11 (01:19:23):
Thank you for having us.

Speaker 4 (01:19:24):
Okay, so Jack and Jackson aren't with us, but you
guys are all based in christ Church at the moment,
is that right?

Speaker 11 (01:19:30):
Yeah, that's correct. Yes, yep. We all met at UNI
there and have been there ever since. They are still
with us digit at the studio.

Speaker 12 (01:19:36):
They're not.

Speaker 22 (01:19:38):
They're not with us.

Speaker 4 (01:19:39):
A very good point, muscatch how I say that? But
none of you are from christ as you said you'll
meet at the university in the halls.

Speaker 24 (01:19:49):
Yes, we're from all over New Zealand. Originally I'm from
Wellington myself, Joe's from Olmodo, Reese and Jackson are from
the Cargo and Jack is from Auckland.

Speaker 4 (01:19:57):
Okay, nice macks there. So why have you decided to
say in christ Church?

Speaker 10 (01:20:02):
Oh?

Speaker 14 (01:20:02):
Potentially like a convenience thing for us at the moment.
Building this scene down there is has been exciting for
us and I think it's just been something that's working.
So we're continuing with it. I guess when you when
you start out, you build a home base, and that's
where your fans are, and so it just makes sense
to stay there for them. For the minute, we've thought
about exploring going way, but we'll see. We'll see what happens.

Speaker 4 (01:20:24):
You were in a hall r and A, you're in
a hall called Wilson, And I'm making I'm joining the
dots here between Wilson, a Volleyball and the film Castaway.
Isn't that obvious?

Speaker 10 (01:20:35):
There we go?

Speaker 4 (01:20:36):
Okay, right? Who came up with that idea?

Speaker 11 (01:20:39):
That was me a pastime ritual. So the actual halls
of residence was Rochester and Rutherford, And on nights out,
you know, as you do as a student, you'd be
gallivanting about and on. Somehow all of us boys ended
up in the Welson House on the sister, first and
third floors. Austin, Joe and jack were on the third floor,
and then me and Jackson were on the first. And

(01:21:02):
when coming back to the Welson House, everyone shouted, well, sir,
good a few drinks and things. Yeah, after a few
few antics. So that kind of stuck with us, and
I was like Welson, like, you know, like the movie castaway,
and it was castaway.

Speaker 4 (01:21:17):
So easy, too easy.

Speaker 10 (01:21:19):
There we go.

Speaker 4 (01:21:19):
So when did you guys realize that you had a
little bit more on new than just sort of being
a band jamming away university and that you could potentially
make a go with us.

Speaker 24 (01:21:28):
It was about four years ago, at the end of
twenty twenty one. We'd gone away for a trip down
to the beautiful Acador to have a boy's weekend get
away and just chat the band and how we were thinking.
We'd played a few gigs by that point in the
university scene, and we came together and we're talking through it,
and we'd realize that over the last three years of
us playing together, just how much would really fallen in

(01:21:50):
love with music and with the band and the craft.
And we said to ourselves, look, boys, should we give
this a serious go? And here we are four years
later after that conversation is still gone.

Speaker 4 (01:22:01):
And did you have sort of any goal in mind?
Did you think to yourself, Okay, we'll do it for
a couple of years, We'll do it for a year.

Speaker 24 (01:22:07):
I mean what it was always thrown around trying to
make a sustainable career out of music. That was sort
of the catchphrase and I think as we've come further
and further along, we've realized that that can look like
a lot of different things, and that can mean a
lot of different things. So I think there's not necessarily
any again goal like once we play Glastonbury, then we're

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going to be done, but we're just enjoying the ride.

Speaker 4 (01:22:31):
Nice. How would you describe yourselves as a banjo I
heard you described yourselves as next to a boy band energy.

Speaker 3 (01:22:42):
I'm not.

Speaker 11 (01:22:45):
Next to a boy band energy. That's totally it nailed,
nailed it.

Speaker 14 (01:22:51):
How do I describe us, Well, we're a pop rock band.
We're definitely in that boy band sphere. We all like
boy bands. It's it's it's you know, it's been a
lot of fun for us, and it's kind of something
that we can channel and that we enjoy. It's just fun,
you know, the energy, the antakes, it's just keep it,
keep it light hearted. But I think I don't know

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alongside boy band like where I would say we're reasonably mature,
a bunch of people, easy going kind of guys. We
like to talk about topics that are a little bit deeper.
But then having this contrast of the boy band energy
is a nice mix for us and something that we enjoy.

Speaker 11 (01:23:27):
So, yeah, I don't know who right.

Speaker 4 (01:23:33):
Meeting about that and said, who's quote is that? No,
I love it And look, as you mentioned there, you
know there's something to your lyrics and things. And we
started off with the song Daisy, and I know that
it's quite a personal and emotional song for all of you. Recee,
maybe you could tell me a bit about it.

Speaker 11 (01:23:50):
Yeah, Daisy was being created at the time when there
was a bit of loss going on within the band.
There was as you do go throughout life, you always
experienced loss, but that at a particular time was noteworthy
for us. There was Austin's mum who was diagnosed with
breast cancer, and then also bit of lost my grandmother

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and Jack's family, and you know, everyone can relate to
that kind of message. So that's really where the spark
came for those lyrics and the meaning of that song,
which we still hold really close and Dee to our hearts.
It's got a special place and it means a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:24:26):
What is the process with the songs? Do you all contribute?
Does somebody kind of take control of songs? Do you
have a leader or are you all participating in writing
a song.

Speaker 24 (01:24:34):
I think every song comes from a different place. It
always looks very, very different when you get down to
the nitty gritty, but for the most part, it is
very collaborative. We're actually in the studio this week over
at the Lab and Mount Eden recording, and we've just
come off the back of a pretty intense writing period
for the last sort of eight weeks where it's just

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been bunker down, all five boys in the living room
writing together and then kind of chipping away and doing
little bits where we can on each of the songs
by ourselves.

Speaker 4 (01:25:04):
Because that's the thing, right you can spend and I
think you it's been about four years, you know, writing
your EPP. You've got all this time and you work
on it and you're refined, and then all of a
sudden it's like, okay, now we've got an album and.

Speaker 25 (01:25:14):
Actually, where are the ideas coming from? Right, let's go
and we're starting from scratch. It's a bit of pressure, Yeah, yeah,
it is. It's that's that's the pressure cooker for sure.
But that's that's the beauty of it. I think once
we had written that first our EP, Nonjeel, we're just
excited about music. We're releasing it, and the ideas were flowing,

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and like Austin said, this has been the most collaborative
work that we've done together. When the ideas are there,
they're there and you're just gonna let them flow. We've
been really lucky in that sense.

Speaker 4 (01:25:46):
Is the new album a similar sound to Nonjeel.

Speaker 14 (01:25:48):
We're trying to go for something a little bit different,
trying to push the bird out a little bit. Expect
some cool stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:25:53):
Excellent, and I presuing the albums out next year. Yes, yep, okay,
So what what's happening over summer? It's generally a pretty
busy bat time for bands.

Speaker 24 (01:26:01):
Yeah, I mean there's a lot going on. We've got
a few gigs we're looking at ning up down in
christ and then further down south in Queenstown. It's been
such a hectic year though that I think we're really
looking forward to having a Christmas holiday.

Speaker 12 (01:26:14):
To be honest, break.

Speaker 4 (01:26:17):
It sounds like my teenage son. Oh, such a tough year.
It sounds very familiar. The song that you guys are
going to play for us is pretty Little Liar. It
has been getting regular airplay, particularly on the like City
z M. We've been playing you a little bit too.
We've been building up to this, this interview, in this performance,
just you know, don't pretty. What is it like to

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hear the song on the radio.

Speaker 11 (01:26:39):
It's always a bit surreal.

Speaker 24 (01:26:41):
Yeah, yeah, when you're driving in the car and it
pops on, or getting messages from friends, Hey I just
heard you're on the radio.

Speaker 11 (01:26:49):
It's a lot to take in, that's for sure. That
concept is a cut over when you're like, man, imagine
if what we were on radio and now you're there
and it's you're just you.

Speaker 4 (01:26:58):
Know, but do you go, oh, yeah, that sounds great.
Do you go, oh, I wish we'd changed this. I
don't know any for fictionists. Yeah, now the music's out there.

Speaker 11 (01:27:08):
Yeah, you gotta you gotta rest with it.

Speaker 14 (01:27:10):
Something that something that Greg have, our producer, has taught
us along the journey is that once, once the music
is finished, you have to listen to it as a
song rather than your individual parts, which is so hard
to do when you're like, you play the instrument. You
just have to listen to it and enjoy it as
someone who isn't you as listening to it and they're going,
this is a cook song, you know, that's that's what

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it is. You get an emotion from it, you get
a feeling that that's what it's meant to.

Speaker 11 (01:27:34):
Let's send it off once it's out there. Yeah, man,
just let people enjoy it.

Speaker 4 (01:27:38):
Go, let it go, all right, So cassaway, you are
going to perform pretty little lie take it away.

Speaker 18 (01:27:54):
Lives, saying she's on the floor, twist in and dunce,
and that can have seen me before? Give me devil's letter,
grabs my hand and pours in my She has been
soft and slow boy.

Speaker 26 (01:28:09):
You can call me anything you like.

Speaker 18 (01:28:13):
Do you love both ways? When I cross your mard?
Do you lose yourself in some mess? Tell me if
from ride and then sing good back? Tell him that
that time.

Speaker 9 (01:28:30):
No, don't want that.

Speaker 4 (01:28:38):
You really lie too fast?

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
Don't want that.

Speaker 18 (01:28:49):
No suppression, he again, creeping another bad of youthful self.

Speaker 26 (01:28:56):
I am not the luncher listener scoring into is here?
I not no, but I don't wanta he y. You
can call don't anything.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
You'll like.

Speaker 4 (01:29:09):
Your the brod way. He's gonna us some mad Do
you gonna lose yourself and someone else? In his eyes?

Speaker 23 (01:29:18):
Tell me if I'm.

Speaker 18 (01:29:19):
Riding, then I say goodbye.

Speaker 4 (01:29:22):
Because I'm not the time.

Speaker 8 (01:29:25):
No, I don't want that.

Speaker 3 (01:29:34):
You really don't.

Speaker 27 (01:29:39):
Want that, said in nearly confession the driving screen just
did not mad a session, a fever dream, the late.

Speaker 4 (01:29:54):
Nights, the good times, the sweet sixteen? Or is this
man little Western teen fantasy?

Speaker 18 (01:30:02):
Is the fact that he's cut from the mad Yes?

Speaker 11 (01:30:07):
Did the charm in the cheeky then?

Speaker 12 (01:30:10):
Please?

Speaker 3 (01:30:11):
Please me?

Speaker 18 (01:30:12):
Did the way I trust making not to breathe? Well,
if I'm just.

Speaker 28 (01:30:18):
For your pleasure, let me tell you aren't there. Don't
want that, don't want that, don't love that.

Speaker 4 (01:30:55):
Guys, it was absolutely amazing. Thank you so much. Thank
you so much for coming. And I know, as you said,
you're in the middle of recording this album. Thank you
so much for coming and performing. Have an amazing relaxing summer.
And can you please promise to come back when you
know you've hit the big time.

Speaker 11 (01:31:09):
I think we can promise you that. Thank you so
much for joining us. It's been an absolute pleasure. You
guys are awesome. Appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (01:31:15):
That was Joe recent Often from the band Castaway, sounding
pretty good for performing in the studio. Their EP Nondual
is on streaming services now, and keep an eye out
for their album releasing next year. Coming up next on
the Sunday Session, we've got the panel.

Speaker 3 (01:31:31):
Grab a cover.

Speaker 1 (01:31:32):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudgin and Wikeles for
the best selection of Hu's talk sed be.

Speaker 4 (01:31:39):
Time for the panel and joining me today we have
Chris Henry, director at eight one eight.

Speaker 10 (01:31:42):
Good morning Chris, Oh, Good morning Francesca.

Speaker 4 (01:31:45):
And we've also got director at Capital Ben Thomas get I.

Speaker 3 (01:31:48):
Ben Mona.

Speaker 4 (01:31:50):
Good to have you both with us. Right the first
out of the show, we were having a look at
the interview that Jack Tayne was doing with Andrew Costra.
It's a little bit like his I feel it's a
little bit like his exit interview from maybe the public sector.
That was what took place this morning. Anyway, the former
top cop he is talking to, Jack Tame have listened

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to this, guys.

Speaker 7 (01:32:11):
Mark Mitchell told us on Q and A that he
only heard about the gener Mexican in misconduct delegations on
November sixth of last year.

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
Is that correct?

Speaker 24 (01:32:20):
No, that is not correct.

Speaker 8 (01:32:22):
There is no way that I was only just telling
him about all of this in my last couple of
weeks in the job. That was my last week in
the job. We had discussed this informally at some stage
through the course of twenty twenty four. I can't tell
you exactly when that occurred. Again, it was a you know,
it was an informal conversation.

Speaker 4 (01:32:44):
Okay, So Ben, Mark Mitchell has released a statement and
he said he was not told. So it's a bit
of a he said, he said, where does this go
from here? Ben?

Speaker 3 (01:32:56):
Well, look, I think unless Andrew cost has got detailed
notes from his diary on that day or something else
like that, I think it probably ends here. You know,
There's no way I would have waited until my last
week to tell him. Sound sounds a lot like the
sort of thing you'd say if you remembered in your

(01:33:16):
last week that there was something you needed to tell
somebody much earlier, you know, and an informal conversation. Well,
what exactly does that entail? Does that entail? You know,
Mark Mitchell, you know, sort of talking about, you know,
something he's read in the news. And Andrew Costa says, oh, yeah,

(01:33:37):
given Nick skimming he had a crazy X once as well.
You know, well, like, what does that mean? What is
it to raise informally an issue that you know, has
a bearing on the potential misconduct of the Deputy Police Commission.
I mean, that's that's just incoherence. So I wouldn't put
much much weight on what was said in that induview.

Speaker 4 (01:33:55):
Well, you could say they've been the whole thing's been
dealt with an air of informality, which got you know,
the police into the problem that they're in now.

Speaker 3 (01:34:02):
Oh look one hundred percent. And the person who was
responsible ultimately within the police for making sure that that
was dealt with formally under the very very well signaled
and well stipulated processes that they have in place for
exactly this kind of complaint was Andrew Costa. And so
I don't think, you know, it's any kind of defense

(01:34:23):
to say, you know, as we were boarding the plane
and hearing the landing instructions, I was like, oh, there's
something about Jim mcskimming I can tell you about later
if you like to, you know, I.

Speaker 4 (01:34:35):
Mean, yeah, so so so, being from from a political
communications point of view, Mark Witchell has come out and
been quite aggressive in his response, is that the way
you would recommend minister dealt with.

Speaker 3 (01:34:46):
That justinly the way I would that's certainly the way,
I would recommend he dealt with it, you know, so
long as there is no record of a meeting or
diary note or anything somewhere. So and he's got pretty
good advisors and as a pretty sharp minister, and I
would imagine that they did a very very very for

(01:35:06):
sweep when you know, this issue first right arose to
see whether there was anything, you know, in the system
that they might have missed at the time.

Speaker 4 (01:35:15):
It's like the story has been perfectly designed for a
panel where I have two PR Comms people on it,
which is excellent. Chris, your take on you know, next steps? Obviously,
as I said, it feels like this was a bit
of an exit interview for Andrew Costa to put his
you know, his thoughts across as everything that has happened,

(01:35:39):
and Mark Mitchell has responded pretty aggressively towards it. What
are your thoughts, Yew?

Speaker 10 (01:35:46):
I mean, I watched the whole interview and I found
it fascinating.

Speaker 29 (01:35:49):
I mean, for somebody that was sort of not part
of the initial scandal, he seems to now be the
person that's taking the most responsibility in fronting up the
most around it.

Speaker 10 (01:35:58):
I thought it was really interesting.

Speaker 29 (01:36:00):
You could very much see his faith at the front
throw center through the whole process, and I think it
must have been very important for to say his peace
and be at peace with where he is in terms
of where I next.

Speaker 10 (01:36:11):
It was very much an excellent interview.

Speaker 29 (01:36:13):
It was this is my time in public office all finished,
and we'll see what is in store for me next.

Speaker 10 (01:36:19):
But yes, I totally agree with your bed in terms
of the he said.

Speaker 29 (01:36:23):
He said, I mean, it'll be up to up to
the gods now, I suppose, but I'd imagine this will
be one of the last times that we hear from
Andrew Costa.

Speaker 4 (01:36:32):
The other interesting thing that was mentioned Chris was how
Andrew Costa was very unimpressed with the way the government
ministers handled the release of the report that they kind
of were the ones that implied that the police were
corrupt and even at one point used that word. And
yet the report said there were serious failings but didn't
go that far. Do you think it was responsibly handled

(01:36:55):
the way the report was released?

Speaker 10 (01:36:58):
Oh not at all. I mean, I wouldn't forgot that.

Speaker 29 (01:37:01):
I am the person that knows the ins and outs
of how best to deal with things from a political perspective.
But if the trust and respect of the police is
something that you've spent so long trying to do, to
call them corrupt in one sentence and try and sort
of burn it down immediately off the back of one
person's bad behavior, well, I suppose a few people's bad behavior.
That doesn't seem like the right thing to do at all.

(01:37:22):
You know, the trust that was the road, and it
was huge and will take years to recover.

Speaker 3 (01:37:28):
And I think that was why, you know, that was
why Mark Mitchell, you know, sort of ran that line of, oh,
it was some bad apples at the top, it's not
about the police as an organization. But you're right, you know,
those messages a little bit in conflict there, and and
so pretty difficult to kind of reassure the public that

(01:37:48):
everything was all right now because the bad apples, you know,
there weren't that many in number, but they did seem
to occupy most of the higher up positions in the
police hierarchy, you know, And I guess you'd exclude the
current Commissioner, Richard Chambers from that, who sort of it
was sort of didn't appear any where in the sort
of story. But yeah, it does make it more difficult,

(01:38:11):
especially since you know, the police have been working on
a frontline level. The police have been working really hard
on issues like you know, sexual assault complaints and those
sorts of cases to really get more of a victim focus,
to you know, be a bit more modernized, I guess
in that sense. But again just a real failing at
the top involving their.

Speaker 4 (01:38:32):
Own You know, when this givin Mick's coming case came out, Ben,
there was so many little red flags popping up everywhere
with this report and things, and when it was released
and stuff, and you just had a feeling that this
story had legs, and it does. It seems to have
had tentacles that have gone on and on and are
reaching out and things. Do you think that this will

(01:38:55):
go any further this particular conversation about who knew what
and when?

Speaker 3 (01:39:02):
Look, there might be you know, a few very little
time left in the parliamentary year for sort of question time.
I think the fact that Chris Hipkins is also alleged
to have been told about it, apparently in the back
of a car in Kai Kuda, like you know, I mean, yeah,
I think that means that, you know, it's unlikely that labor,

(01:39:24):
for instance, have too much of an interest in kind
of being motivated to believe Costa's version of events. And
so look, I think at a political level, everyone will
glad to sort of wash their hands.

Speaker 5 (01:39:38):
Of it.

Speaker 4 (01:39:40):
And look, been sorry, Chris. It wasn't just you know,
Mark Mitchell. Andrew Costa was swinging the bus around for
Chris Hipkins too, claiming that he also knew about it.
So I suppose it's going to have to be a
little bit of you know, feedback from mister Hipkins about
what he did or didn't not.

Speaker 10 (01:39:58):
Yeah, well they were all very great to come out
and say absolutely not, he is wrong. He is wrong.

Speaker 29 (01:40:02):
So yeah, he's well and truly under the bus, rightly
or wrongly. But yeah, there's a show of political unity
when it comes to saying that he is in the
wrong for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:40:12):
Definitely okay, Chris. So of course we're hearing that Netflix
is very much hoping to buy Warner Brothers. I even
got a little email this morning, like everybody who has
a Netflix subscription saying welcoming Warner Brothers to Netflix. So
they are very excited about this announcement that they will
acquire Warner Brothers and sort of say that nothing's changing

(01:40:34):
at present and things. Do you think that this is
a good thing, Netflix buying Warner Brothers.

Speaker 10 (01:40:39):
Yeah, I mean I'm pretty conflicted.

Speaker 29 (01:40:41):
I think from a punter point of view, it's going
to bring the amount of content to a more singular place,
which I'm sure people will enjoy. But I listened to
you chatting with Steve Newell from Flex earlier, zan I
agree with him totally. It is really going to impact
cinemas and cinemas around the country.

Speaker 10 (01:40:57):
Who have already had it pretty tough.

Speaker 29 (01:41:00):
Maybe our society is going to a place where we
just don't want to be going out of the house
and doing things in our lives are too busy. But
I think in terms of content that is made for
a cinematic experience, I think that will become less and
less desirable to outfit like Netflix and suddenly you see
your big act, doesn't you see it? Now? I sort
of going for these sort of like one week in
and out rom coms where you're like, oh, it's right,

(01:41:21):
I didn't realize it. Seth Rogan was in a new
film and then suddenly it's in and out and it's done.

Speaker 4 (01:41:24):
I mean, well, and the only the only reason of it.

Speaker 29 (01:41:27):
Kind of growing and growing and growing within streaming. You
know that you're in and out in a couple of days,
depending on how your stats are.

Speaker 4 (01:41:33):
Well, it's all about being able to be eligible for
an OSCAR nomination. You've got to have screened in a
theatrical you know, in a theater and things, Ben, do
you care at all? Do you get to the movies much?

Speaker 3 (01:41:46):
Look, I don't get to the movies much, which I
feel bad about because you know, I think, you know,
as you're probably discussing with Steve, you know, we do
need to support cinemas more, and we need to support
cinematic releases because I think the real downstream consequence Chris
is right, you know, the catalog on Netflix will get better.
It's pretty it's pretty thin. Now I'm not a Netflix

(01:42:08):
subscriber anymore, but in terms of new projects going forward
and the sort of the way that a lot of
that ip you know, the DC comics at Universe, a
lot of you know, beloved characters and stuff could be
just destroyed by the Netflix model of you know, late lazy,

(01:42:32):
slipshod production, just poor creative investment sort of you know,
plot and production as a kind of second thought to
kind of just keeping people on the infinite scroll. Yeah. Look,
I think overall, bad thing for movie theaters, bad thing
for people who enjoy good new things.

Speaker 4 (01:42:52):
Thank you both so much, Chris Henry and Ben Thomas,
and thank you for your text. We just spoke to
a couple of boys from the band Castaway. Those guys
were awesome and I am sixty years old a text
to wrote you know they were Look, this sound is
great and you know you can always tell when you
say to a band high could you just come in

(01:43:13):
here and you know, do this acoustically and we don't
really have any gear to set you up and everything.
Could you sing a song? And they launched into it
and sound absitely fantastic and sing really well, and you
kind of go, oh, yeah, I think you guys are
the real deal. So I'm really looking forward to seeing
their next steps. Thank you for your text. It is
twenty five to twelve.

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Do you know what I love the way you think
of everything when it comes to a holiday. Just making
sure we've got all our you know, tea's crossed, our
eyes dotted. So today, of course, we might be thinking
about the fact that we're going to head off to
a batch the summer and or you know, take off
the kids for a little while, leaving the car, one

(01:44:09):
of your cars maybe at home, just so you know,
the car gets a rest for the new year as well.
But you should actually be just sort of having a
bit of a think about that.

Speaker 30 (01:44:16):
In the old battery, Well, my car needed a doctor's
visit from the AA this week because the battery had
finally died.

Speaker 31 (01:44:23):
I mean, I knew it was on its way out
six years old, so it was on borrowed time. So
that's fine.

Speaker 30 (01:44:28):
They came and the AA gave me a new battery,
and on the warranty it said to keep the warranty
valid the car needs. You need to keep the battery
topped up and don't leave it for extended periods of time.
And I thought, well, what's an extended.

Speaker 31 (01:44:40):
Period of time? Is it a weekend, is it a week,
is it a month?

Speaker 19 (01:44:44):
You know?

Speaker 30 (01:44:44):
So I rang the guy at AA and asked him that,
and he explained that it it depends. It differs between cars.
So if you've got a car with all the bells
and whistles, then it will be draining the battery. It
could drain it in three or four days because you've
got a clock on, an alarm on, and whatever else
is happening with it. My car is she's a very
old girl, so I can get three to four weeks,

(01:45:07):
you know, and I can still start her up when
I come home.

Speaker 31 (01:45:09):
So basically the point of it all is.

Speaker 30 (01:45:12):
You need to get out more, and while you're away,
you need to either have someone maybe whip your car
out and drive it and not just short distances, which
is what old ladies like me do, because we just
drive up to the supermarket and home again for weeks
on end.

Speaker 10 (01:45:26):
Or you can buy a.

Speaker 30 (01:45:27):
Gadget called a smart charge, and it's one of these
trickle charges that you can just plug in and they disconnect,
you know, it turns itself off once your car battery
is charged up. And they actually sell a lot of
these to people that live in retirement villages exactly for
that reason, because all they're doing is doing like me
and driving to the supermarket and back once a week.
So I thought, ah, okay, that is very interesting. I thought, well,
how else can you save money while you're gone? What

(01:45:50):
about the hot water cylinder? Because I've often turned it off,
but I've not known should I turn it off if
I'm just going for a weekend or a week or
a month, or when does it become economical?

Speaker 4 (01:45:59):
And then if you like me, you just completely forget
to do it anymore anyway, you know what I mean.

Speaker 30 (01:46:04):
Then you get someone to come on, we're away for
a month, could you please turn the whole horn?

Speaker 31 (01:46:08):
And they come in.

Speaker 30 (01:46:09):
So it turns out even just turning it off for
a weekend is worth it. You'll save energy for sure.
Definitely a week, three weeks turn it off. But one
of the fish hooks. I was told by the guy
at Energy Efficiency and Conservation Authority. Thanks to him, there
is a risk of Legionnaire's disease when your water gets
down to temp it that's the worst temperature.

Speaker 31 (01:46:30):
So to avoid that when you.

Speaker 30 (01:46:32):
Come back from your holiday, turn your tank on again
and heat it for a good three hours, get back
up to sixty degrees and then you'll be tickety boo.

Speaker 4 (01:46:42):
Look at you love it. The travel advice that this
is for the sort of the utilities that start home. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 31 (01:46:51):
I thought we're out swanning.

Speaker 4 (01:46:52):
Oh, we're out sweing the car batteries though I don't
know if I'm imagining or not, but once up by
a time I thought they used to last forever. And
I feel like I'm replacing batteries in our cars every all.
I replaced one this year which I've replaced in the
last lockdowns. That was twenty twenty one. That doesn't feel
like a long time making four years.

Speaker 31 (01:47:13):
Yeah, three hundred and thirty eight dollars I paid for mine.

Speaker 18 (01:47:16):
Yeah, I hear you.

Speaker 4 (01:47:18):
Anyway, that's a whole other segment, Meghan, thank you so much.
There we go, some very practical advice for you if
you're thinking of heading away for a little bit longer
time than usual. Jason Pine is up next. It is
eighteen to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:47:32):
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Speaker 4 (01:47:39):
Jason Pine is going to be with you after midday
on Weekend Sport and he's with me now. Good morning,
Good morning. You've had a busy morning getting ready for
your show. A big interview just after midday.

Speaker 32 (01:47:49):
Yeah, the exit interview with Mark Robinson outgoing New Zealand,
Rugby CEO six years. He's been in the role, came
in just as COVID hit. So that's a hospital paths
to start with. How does he reflect on it? How
does he leave New Zealand Rugby better than he found it?
That's always the aim, isn't it. You coming to a
role and when you leave you hope that it's been
than do you found it. I think he did in
a number of areas. Yes, I think there are probably

(01:48:11):
some question marks. But that's the other thing as well, Francesca.
When anything goes wrong with the game here, from Grassroots
to NPC, Super Rugby, the All Blacks or anything at all,
it's Mark Robinson's fault. How do you deal with that
kind of scrutiny and critique.

Speaker 4 (01:48:23):
Do you think he's relieved by walking out the door.

Speaker 32 (01:48:26):
I think part of him will be we'll be walking
around without a weight on his shoulders at all. I
get the feeling he'll take a decent chunk of time off.
But yes, I think there'll be things, like anything, he'll
miss some things about it, but I think there are
things that he absolutely will not miss. And maybe the
twenty four to seven scrutiny of the role is one
of those. But yeah, keen to talk to him about
you know what he believes. You know, his big achievements

(01:48:48):
were what he would have liked to have done and
hasn't been able to. How he reflects on the All
Blacks coaching change, which of course called a lot of
headlines and where the All Blacks are too is out
from the World Cup. Like I say, it's not not
much that he can do about it on the field,
but it is under his brief as all of the
game here is so after midday, Mark Robinson's exit interview
on Weekendsview.

Speaker 4 (01:49:05):
Very very exciting and I'm sure that the listeners will
have a few thoughts on what he has to say.
Of course, how much fun is it to have the
F one and the champions Drivers Championship come down to
the final race just makes it so much more exciting though.

Speaker 32 (01:49:18):
Yeah, promoter's dream, isn't it that it's going to be
decided on the last day? Max for stepping on pole,
Lando noris second on the Lando Norris only is to
get on the podium.

Speaker 1 (01:49:26):
We know that it only is to lose.

Speaker 22 (01:49:27):
It is to lose.

Speaker 32 (01:49:28):
Yeah, but then you think, okay, if you're not trying
to win the race. Quite it's quite a lot of fact,
there's a lot of quite fast cars, you know.

Speaker 12 (01:49:36):
And then so what happens.

Speaker 32 (01:49:37):
So yeah, we're going to break down Formula one after
one o'clock as well. Peter Winn's a long time Formula
one journalist and former team manager of Ferrari. So yeah,
a lot of Formula one on the show, some football,
some cricket and this incredible young middle distance runner Sam
Ruth's broken another record today.

Speaker 4 (01:49:53):
And absolutely amazing. So looking forward to it. Thank you
so much, Jason. So as Jason said, he'll be talking
to the outgoing CEO of New Zealand Rugby just after midday,
so you don't want to miss that. It is thirteen
to twelve New Talks that.

Speaker 2 (01:50:06):
Be Books with Wiggles for the Best Election of Great Reads.

Speaker 4 (01:50:14):
Joan mackenzie, Good morning, good morning. Christmas is coming. Apparently
might have known it quickly, and so for the next
few weeks we're going to help people out either phone
themselves a great book to read over the holidays or
a great gift to give someone at Christmas. And today
we're going to start with some of your favorite kids books.
All the best kids books that you've seen.

Speaker 19 (01:50:34):
This is very subjective.

Speaker 10 (01:50:35):
I love it.

Speaker 19 (01:50:36):
But this is a group of five or six books
for kids that I have just loved. And the first
one is by Kat Quinn, who I think is something
of a national treasure in kid's book writing and illustrating.
She's done a series of books about Koowi, the Kiwi,
and this is a beautiful hard back treasury, what we
call a bind up of all five of her Koogwi
stories in this one book. And it's got a lovely

(01:50:59):
cover where there's a tree trunk which is kind of
etched out of the of the cover, and there's lovely
end papers on the book and these five stories and
the value that you get in buying the treasury as
opposed to each of the individual stories is huge. As
I said, she is an extraordinary writer and illustrator, and
some listeners may know her from the incredibly popular book

(01:51:20):
Koohee and Friends the Maori Picture Dictionary, which has been
a bestseller for us for many years now and is
possibly the way in which she first found her way
into some people's homes. But the Koohee Treasury is just
a gem. Moving on from that, I've got a book
called Tunny Far by Gavin Bishop, who'll be known to
a lot of listeners. Yes, you're nodding wisely because of

(01:51:42):
the extraordinary large format books which he has done about
New Zealand and other aspects of it, so beautifully illustrated.
He is extraordinary. He did a book called Aoto or
the New Zealand Story, which was fabulous, first of its kind, really,
and followed that up with the Wildlife of Ato. And
now we've got Tanny Far And it's a large format

(01:52:04):
hardcover book with beautiful ill strations by Gavin which tell
the story about Tanny Far in this country. He says,
they're all around us. They're really good at changing shape hiding.
You have to know what to look for and where
to look. And he takes the child reading this on
a journey across the country, across seas and rivers and

(01:52:25):
lakes and the land, meeting a large number of Tanni
Far and he's even got a map at the back
of the book which shows the locations of where they
can be found. It's really charming and it is absolutely
part of our language and our thinking. And you know,
I guess fictional history.

Speaker 4 (01:52:41):
I love it. Tell me about Oh dear, look what
I Got. I haven't heard of this one.

Speaker 2 (01:52:46):
Oh have you not?

Speaker 4 (01:52:47):
Well, you've probably heard while since I've read a picture.
It's never too late.

Speaker 19 (01:52:53):
You've probably heard of the book We're Going On a
Bare Hat, which has been a classic for many, many
years now. And the creators of that book, Helen Oxenbry
and Michael Rosen, have got together for the first time
in thirty years, and they've done this new book, as
you said, called Oh Dear, Look What I Got? And
it's one of those lovely cumulative stories about how a
child goes to the shop to buy something and ends

(01:53:15):
up with the wrong thing, and then goes back and
tries again, and it's all rhyming and lovely. So in
this book, the child heads off to the shop to
get a carrot, but when they come home and n
wrap it, they finally've got a parrot.

Speaker 4 (01:53:26):
Oh dear, look what I got?

Speaker 19 (01:53:28):
Do I want that?

Speaker 15 (01:53:28):
No?

Speaker 10 (01:53:29):
I do not. Oh.

Speaker 4 (01:53:30):
So it's a joy for parents to read. It is
allowed to it really is.

Speaker 19 (01:53:34):
It's just charming, and again it's a beautiful hardcover, so
it makes for a gorgeous gift and for any preschooler
or young child with a family who are engaged and
would like to share a book with them.

Speaker 4 (01:53:46):
This is just perfect. What about readers aged around eight
to twelve? My favorite at the moment is by Hannah Gold.
It's called The Lone Husky, and she's done a series
of books, all of which are about children and their
relationship with some aspect of nature. She did books there
was The Last Bear, The Lost Way, or Turtle Moon,
so get the idea. And in The Lone Husky you've

(01:54:08):
got a young girl called April who's living in the Arctic,
where her best friend is a pole of bear, and
she volunteers to go into a long distance dog sled
race where she's up against some really stiff competition, but
her secret weapon is the husky she's got to help
her on the race. So really charming child with animals,
the whole nature thing, the Arctic, great narrative fiction. Al

(01:54:33):
Brown came and spoke to us. We've had a chat
about his book Hooked, which I thought was absolutely fantastic.
Hooked Learning to Fish.

Speaker 19 (01:54:39):
Yes, ostensibly done for kids, but you know I could benefit.
I profited a lot fabulous illustrations all about how to fish,
how to be safe while you're fishing, how to fish
off a warf, or off a boat or a kayak,
or in a lake or a river. He gives all
sorts of tips and hints like be very careful in
choosing the hat that you're going to wear when you

(01:55:00):
go fishing, because that's your sense of style and it
will give you good luck. And then he tells you
ultimately how to fill it the fish that you've caught,
and then how to cook it. It's a gorgeous package.

Speaker 4 (01:55:10):
I love that we will make sure that all these
titles are on our website at Newstalks ATB dot co
dot nz. Thank you so much, Joan, Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:55:18):
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Speaker 4 (01:55:25):
Thank you very much for joining me today. Thank you
very much for your text, and thank you to Carrie
and Samuel for producing the show for me today. As
I mentioned earlier, Jason Pine is up next with Weekend
Sport and he has got the exit interview with New
Zealand Rugby CEO Mark Robinson that is coming up directly
after midday. I think it's going to be very interesting

(01:55:47):
to hear his thoughts on how he thought his tenure
went and where he thinks that all blacks are.

Speaker 3 (01:55:52):
At no No.

Speaker 4 (01:55:52):
Piney is going to be keen to get your opinion
on that interview as well. So enjoy the rest of
your Sunday and look forward to being back next Sunday.
I'm going to leave you with the little Christmas music
because that is it is December. Here it comes, It's
coming at you, folks. Here's a little bit of sailo
grain with what Christmas means to me. Have a good afternoon.
See next week what Christmas Christles.

Speaker 3 (01:56:31):
Day.

Speaker 2 (01:56:48):
That's what Christmas means.

Speaker 1 (01:57:01):
For more from the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin. Listen
Livedn't Us Talks it Be from nine am Sunday, or
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