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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
Good morning, Welcome to the Sunday Session. I hope you're long,
Martindechy weekend is going well. I'm Francesca Rudkin with you
until midday. Coming up on the show today, Aliott Smith
on the All Blacks Italy Game and the TMO. After ten,
my guest is actress Jennifer Garner Sarah Pearl Harbor Daredevil
thirteen going on thirty in Juno. She joins me to
talk about her brand new TV show out on Hey You.

(00:50):
It's called Five Star Weekend, and she explains why her
children are really good at doing a key we accent.
After eleven, Macy Gray, Yes, the Macy Gray with the
incredibly distinctive voice, joins me to talk about her new
album and to it in New Zealand and her incredible career.
Macy Gray is with me after eleven. You're most welcome

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to text anytime throughout the morning. On ninety two, ninety.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Two the Sunday session.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yes, that is the sound of the Norwegian football team
and it's fans doing the Viking Road to celebrate Norway's
win over Brazil at the FEEFOO World Cup. The synchronized
rubbing chant that accompanies the Norwegian football team's appearances is
the viral phenomenon of the twenty twenty six World Cup.
Who saw that coming? And Norway's star striker Erling Harland
has become the Darling of the Cup thanks to his

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unstoppable scoring pace and refreshingly goofy unscripted personality on the field.
He's already scored seven goals, just one behind Messy, and
his performances have been instrumental in getting Norway to their
first World Cup quarterfinal, which has been played against England
in Miami right now. Huling is turning out to be
just as valuable to football in the feef of World

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Cup as he is for his country. Every fief of
World Cup needs players who capture the imagination, and Earling
Harland has become one of the defining figures of the tournament.
His goals in physical presence make him one of football's
biggest stars. But it's his personality which truly sets him
apart in an error. When many athletes deliver carefully rehearsed answers,

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Harland comes across as refreshingly genuine. He jokes, he admits
frustration when things go wrong, and he celebrates with unfiltered
enthusiasm rather than predictable cliches. He allows fans to see
the person behind the player, and this authenticity creates a
stronger connection with audiences than any polished media training ever could.
For any World Cup, this matters. A tournament is built

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as much on memorable personalities as unforgettable matches, isn't it.
Fans don't just remember the goals, They remember the players
who made them feel something. Has the ability to attract
casual viewers like me, inspire young fans, and give us
all the reason to get behind Norway. Yes, I am
so sorry to all the England fans out there. I

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am right behind the Norwegians this morning. I've also been
drawn in by the way that the Norwegian team embraced
their Viking heritage. It was a news TROGZYB listener who
pointed out to me their Viking thinged World Cup team photo.
I just loved it. Add a new fan created version
of the traditional Viking row and how could this team
not delight and fascinate audiences all around the world. As

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sport becomes more and more driven by social media and
personal stallied storytelling, honest communicators are more valuable than ever.
In New Zealand, we've seen this with the Black Ferns,
who are great at what they do and just as
importantly allow their personalities to shine on and off the field.
They entertain the converted, and they constantly draw new fans

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to women's rugby simply by being themselves. Harland does this too.
His extraordinary talent will always command attention, but it's his
authenticity which makes him stand out. For a World Cup.
Seeking unforgettable moments and new heroes, he offers both go Norway.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
For a Sunday session.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
I will keep you up to date with the game.
I think there's a really good chance that I'm not
backing the winner. I think that this is potentially England's game.
But as my son pointed out to me, who is
a big football fan of England, wins. Argentina win their game.
You got four of the world's top teams in the
semifinals and surely we're going to get some great football,

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so you know there's good outcomes either way. Anyway, we'll
be keeping it on on the game for you throughout
the morning. I were also going to chat the All
Blacks in a few moments. It was a great scoreline
right against Italy last night, but after last week the
game felt a little bit flat. I thought, was that
just me you mightst Welcome to Texas Morning ninety two

(05:01):
ninety two. It is eleven past nine.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
Sunday with Style Sunday Session with Francesca Runkin and Wiggles
for the best selection of Greg Reeds US Talk.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Savvy fourteen past nine. So when new strategic partnership with
India has been unlocked. The agreement was announced during Indian
Prime Minister in Narendra Modi's twenty four hour trip to
New Zealand. The partnership crosses many areas, from business, defense
to culture. Here is Prime Minister Christopher Luckson.

Speaker 4 (05:30):
This provides a stronger platform for practical cooperation in prosperity,
security and people to people connections.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
To talk us through the new partnership and its significance.
Geopolitical analyst doctor Jeffrey Miller is with me now, Good morning.

Speaker 5 (05:45):
Good morning, Francesca.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Is this a significant partnership for New Zealand.

Speaker 6 (05:51):
It is?

Speaker 5 (05:51):
And look, the New Zealand and their relationship has come
an awfully long way in a very short space of time.
It was only four years ago I wrote a piece
saying that New Zealand really wasn't taking India very seriously.
And now you couldn't make that claim at all. With
both this free trade agreement, the very high profile visit
from Lourendromodi over the last couple of days, and this

(06:15):
new strategic partnership which is really taking the relationship beyond trade.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
It has been quite remarkable. As I say, Jeffrey, maybe
you could just touch on why didn't why weren't we
taking the relationship seriously? Well, it was a good question.

Speaker 5 (06:29):
I mean, I think we were coming out of that
COVID period and I think a lot of that had
to do with that. And obviously there were a lot
of balls in the air and that COVID period around
twenty twenty to twenty twenty two, and the government at
the time had a lot of focus areas India just
wasn't one of them. Then we had the change of

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government in twenty twenty three, and India really became an
election issue back in twenty twenty three, as the listeners
may recall, and Christoph Luxeen made that pledge to have
a free trading agreement with India by the end of
this term, which she's achieved.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
So Labor at.

Speaker 5 (07:09):
That point also I think began to take India more
seriously and also pledged to do more with the relationship.
And since then it's sort of become a bidding war
in a sense. And Christopher Luxeen has come out now
with the success of the free trade agreement now modis
visit and a new strategic partnership.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
So this strategic partnership, how different is it from what
we've had in the past.

Speaker 5 (07:34):
Well, it's quite radical, I think in many ways. I
encourage listeners to go online and have a look at this.
You can find it on the Behive website. The text
of it is very comprehensive, very detailed, and very much
focused on defense and security. It's the second item there.
It comes ahead of trade, for example, and there are

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some quite specific commitments that New Zealand is making as
part of it, including bilateral naval exercises with India, including
an annual maritime security summit, and New Zealand is signing
up to something called the Indo Pacific Ocean's Initiative. I
have to say, look, I follow these things recently closely,
but that was kind of new to me what this

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was and searching for it. It was initiative that MODI
launched back in twenty nineteen, and it seems really it's
an Indian initiative that New Zealand is signing up to
here and I have to say, reading through a lot
of this statement, it does feel like an Indian statement
that New Zealand is signing its name to rather than

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a genuine joint statement. And as an example of one
of the commitments in this roadmap, if you like, New
Zealand is going to support permanent membership for India on
the UN Security Council. I find it quite interesting that
just how detailed and how specific a lot of the

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messaging is in this roadmap. In the strategic partnership, it's
very different to say the joint statement that was made
on a stretch a comprehensive strategic partnership with China that
New Zealand signed way back in twenty fourteen, which was
much more general and own without the level of specificity,

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and there was just a single sentence, for example, on
defense cooperation in that agreement back in twenty fourteen with China.
It's very different to the big laundry list of commitments
that New Zealand signing up.

Speaker 6 (09:29):
To here, Jeffrey.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
If you look though, it's in particular at the defense
and the security cooperation, is it a good thing for
New Zealand.

Speaker 5 (09:40):
I think New Zealand has to be very very careful here.
I wonder whether New Zealand is simply going too fast
at this point and signing up to a lot of
things that I may regret later. I think a lot
of this will be seen as quite antagonistic by China,
which remember is New Zealand's biggest trading partner by far

(10:02):
forty three billion dollars in two way trade. The India
relationship is under four and so it's under ten percent
of that share. And some of these lines here we
talk here, in the statement and the joint Statement and
in this strategic Partnership document seem to be coded to
be antagonistic to China. When we talk about free, open,

(10:22):
free and open indoor Pacific, for example, that language is
typically read by China is being very much against it.
So I think you Zen has to be very careful
here signing up to India on these very detailed security
commitments and just the implications of this. So I just

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wonder whether because Christopher Luxen was very eager to host
Narendra Moody, perhaps he has agreed to an awful lot
of very specific commitments that New Zealand maned up regretting
later that said it is non binding. At the bottom
there is a statement saying it is non binding, and
maybe we should be grateful for that. But I in

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New Zealand has gone for quite a hawker's positioning here
and I'm not sure that that will be to be
New Zealand's benefit in the long term. And New Zealand
has traditionally had this independent foreign policy approach going back
forty years, and we've seen some quite radical changes over
the last few years that New Zealand seems to be
stepping away from that towards a more ally like approach.

(11:29):
We've saw this new announcement just over the past few
days on an Ocean of piece, Ocean of Peace alliance
between Australia and Fiji and New Zealand is looking to
potentially join that as well. These are quite radical shifts
and I think this is just one more piece of
the puzzle, this new strategic partnership with India.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
You mentioned eager to hosts and I also wonder whether
eager to really move forward with the trade and economic
cooperation which is on the table as well. Do you
think that that could also be having an impact as
to you know, the enthusiasm towards this strategic partnership.

Speaker 5 (12:07):
Look, the bottom line is New Zealand has got this
free trade agreement. There are a lot of benefits to
New Zealand from that, despite the fact that Drey is
largely excluded. The reality is that India wanted something in return.
We've heard about the US twenty billion dollars an investment
that New Zealand is supposed to be making in India.
We've heard about migration and the components that are in

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the FTA. I think security and defense cooperation is that
third component. And New Zealand is giving itself or lending
its good name and good reputation to Narendramodi here. That's
very valuable and I think that is what New Zealand
most can often India the most is it's good name,
good reputation, the fact that New Zealand internationally is so

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well thought of, very very useful to a big superpower
like India. I think it really is in that superpower
category now and will only be growing in stature and
strength in the years and decades to come. So that
is what the big benefit, the big payoff that Narendromodi
is getting from this arrangement. Quite apart from the specific

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and and let's be honest, I mean New Zealand's defense
force when it comes to joint naval exercises with India,
you know there's going to be still relatively small because
New Zealand's military is relatively small. But the reputation, the
name that New Zealand has, its its status in the
international community, that is very very valuable and I think

(13:34):
that's probably the biggest payoff for Narendromodi.

Speaker 7 (13:37):
Here.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Thank you so much. That was doctor Jeffrey Miller there,
Joe political analyst. Interesting the fact he called it radical.
King to hear your thoughts. You might have had an
opportunity to take a look at the Indian New Zealand
strategic partnership the roadmap to twenty thirty. Do you agree
is you see this as a one sided partnership? The
text is ninety two ninety two. It is twenty three

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past nine the Sunday session. All right, a scratchy win
for All Blacks last night forty seven seventeen over Italy
and Wellington. But there was one shining highlight.

Speaker 8 (14:12):
How on the right hand slight? Well Jordan from Johnny
Barren pays this back. He's history and Henry Stadium. Fifty tries,
fifty tries for Will Jordan. He stands alone. He's the
All Blacks greatest try.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Flora z B lead rugby commentator Elliot Smith called the
match and joins me. Now, good morning, Elliot, morning Francisca.
Do you mind if we start with Will Jordan? A
highlight of last night's match, surpassing Doug Hawlett's all time
try scoring record. Just how good is Will Jordan?

Speaker 9 (14:50):
He's exceptional when you think about the players that he's
just in the last couple of weeks Doug hell at
last night, Joe Rocathoko and Sava and Christian Cullen in
the last two weeks to move from forty five tries
up to fifty and to stand alone, We've head some
great wingers through the years, and not quite ready to
say that Will Jordan stands above in terms of a

(15:12):
wider context, but certainly in a try scoring context, there
are and have been few better than him in terms
of his finishing abilities, and since he debuted in twenty
twenty has been ever present in the All Blacks as
strip raiders. Is quite incredible. Fifty six tests he had
hidden into last night, now in fifty seven and fifty

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tries to match is quite incredible what he's able to do.
So look, he's him a present. He's a dangerous player
whether he's at fullback or on the right wing as
he was last night. And yeah, we'll stand alone. And
I don't think he's quite done yet. I mean he's
only twenty eight. He's still got plenty of time to
potentially add more tries to that number.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Elliott a good score line in the end, But it
was a bit of a scratchy performance last night, wasn't it.

Speaker 9 (15:57):
It was scratchy it was, and the All Blacks were
struggling to get on top at halftime, and at halftime
they came out scored those four tries after halftime, then
went back to their scratchy ways, not helped by long
stoppage and the second spell for Tomaso Allen and his
injury to his chest or sternum, and a couple of

(16:18):
other stoppages that took the momentum out of the game,
But the All Blacks weren't quite able to replicate the
fire they started the second half with for the rest
of that second spell. They were clunky in the first half,
a lot of eras defensively, a couple of really poor
miss reads, so a lot to work on. Still, out
of that All Blacks performance, I guess if you're a

(16:38):
glass half full person, you probably go look what they
can do. In the space of thirteen fourteen minutes to
start the second spell, they took the game completely away
from Italy and ended it as a contest. If your
glass half empty, you probably go look that there's a
lot to work on. They were clunky for large periods
of the game and couldn't get over an Italian side
right at the end of this season, who were disappointing
against Italy last week. So I've probably sit somewhere in

(17:01):
between going yep, there was some good patches, there were
some not so good patches. So yeah, probably glass half full,
glass half somewhere right there.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
But it was good to see them adjusting to the
play in front of them, coming up with a solution,
trying something different. And I wonder whether that is what
we are seeing under Dave Ringy a bit of a
difference with the All Blacks.

Speaker 9 (17:20):
Yeah, I think it's a positive. I think perhaps in
the last couple of years, had been fourteen ten a
half time, the All Blacks may have struggled to get
their way out of the whole. They probably still would
have won, but it wouldn't have perhaps been as convincing
on the school board as what we saw last night.
So they did find a way out of it. And
I think, you know, there's some key players there that
stood up, you know, the leaders in this team, like

(17:42):
Jordi Barrett I thought was exceptional in the second spell
Will Jordan being another one that just knew when to
flick the switch and take the game away from Italy.
And that's probably a good sign that the senior players
and this team can problem solve and figured their way
out out of a bit of trouble.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
What about the refereeing last night, Elliott, did the TMO
get involved too much?

Speaker 9 (18:04):
Far too much? This is becoming a block on world rugby.
And it wasn't just last night's game. It was Australia,
France that followed it and Japan Island and I watched
as well. Tomo interventions are becoming the bane of international rugby.
World Rugby's I think lost control of the spectacle. They
seem to forget that it is a spectacle first, and

(18:26):
people come along to watch the product. They don't come
to watch a fine tuned law seminar. And that's where
World Rugby needs to fix things up. They don't seem
to have any want or desire to do so. But
as a productor, I think World Rugby have lost their
way with the amount of TMO interventions. I mean, I'd
completely get rid of it if I was honest and
just to live with the onfield referee who made some

(18:48):
mistakes last night but was being guided by his puppeteer,
and the TMO box who just you know, is watching
all these TV feeds. Of course he's going to make
interventions when you see things from you know, fifty five angles.
I just think it's become a blight on the game
and it made for a hard to watch contest when

(19:09):
you've got Luke Ramos in the middle of the referee
and there's Twelfth Test last night being guided by some
bloke who's watching a million TV screens up up in
an office. I just think, yeah, Rugby needs to change.
They need to get some ways of dealing with the
TMO because they're struggling to captivate the market with the
number of interventions that they've got currently.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
They're going to need to be the All Blacks are
going to need to be better next week against Ireland.
What will the focus be on this week?

Speaker 6 (19:35):
Elliott?

Speaker 9 (19:36):
Look, I think they need to focus on both sides
of the ball. Their defense was certainly better than it
was against France last week, but there's still a lot
of times were not as connected as they probably could
be in some of those defensive patterns. Again, another week
may help that attack wise. A couple of times it
broke down. They probably gave the wrong pass again, which

(19:56):
is France a little bit. So hopefully another week of
being in camp tidies up some of that. But there
were a lot of errors last night and they gave
away a lot of penalties as well, especially in early
run match, so out of it they've got a lot
to calm, which is probably a good thing that it's
not just a complete blowout. But there's certainly yeahs some

(20:18):
improvements to be made against Ireland two will we found
the final game of this season nothing to lose mentality
from them and that Eden Park record goes on the
line once again.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Thank you so much, Elliott. That was Elliot Smith, as
it'd be, lead rugby commentator who wasn't holding back with
his thoughts on the TMO. But to be honest with you,
there was a point when I was watching the game
last night where I tend to agree with what Elliott
had to say this morning about the TMO. It was
just annoying, wasn't It was just interrupting the game and
the flow and it found unnecessary. But love to hear

(20:48):
your thoughts on it. You can text ninety two ninety two.
Stuarts just said it was a decisive win to the
All Blacks. So there we go. He's calling it and
moving on. It is nine thirty up next Peter Dunn
joins me for politics.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Ruggin on News talks
that'd be okay.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
We're thirty minutes into Norway playing England and I have
been told by someone who can keep it closer on
the game than I can, that England has total dominations.
We might need to get rowing vikings. I think if
your texts, I think the media is overhyping what Dave
Reni has done so far. I'm not seeing a lot
to get excited about, so thank you for your thoughts.
Joining me now is former MP Peter Down to talk politics.

Speaker 10 (21:29):
Good morning Peter, Good morning Francesca.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Wondering if we could start off with the pole of polls,
which kind of takes a bit of a look at
all the poles, brings it together and tells us where
we sit, and we kind of sit where we thought
we sat, don't we.

Speaker 11 (21:42):
That's right.

Speaker 10 (21:43):
I mean, I've just been looking at that pole of
polls on my own pole of polls over the last
four years, and not a lot's changed. Really, We're back
where we were, not quite before the last election, but
pretty close to it. I mean, I think the big
difference has been the drop on the National Party's support
over that time. But then you've got, you know, all
the other parties are holding their own. Labour's coming down

(22:04):
quite a lot at the moment, but the Opportunity part
on the right, so you know, it's some sort of
there or thereabouts.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Peter, do you think we will see a separation between
national label or do you think it will stay quite
tight and it will be around the more minor parties
that we see change.

Speaker 10 (22:22):
I think it's likely to be around the minor parties
At the moment. The National and Labor are pretty much
like railway tracks really sort of just within a percentage
of each other, and they have been probably for the
last year or so. But the movements amongst the miners
and particularly I keep an eye on New Zealand First,
and the Opportunity Party seem to be where the movement's

(22:42):
taking place. Although New Zealand First I think may have
peaked a little bit, it's hard to say at the stage.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
We'll keep it eye on it. I'd love to talk
to you a little bit about defense because there's quite
happening in the sitt of Neck of the Woods. New
Zealand is set to explore joining a Fiji Australian defense alliance.
This would mean that Fiji would become New Zealand's second
defense ally in addition to Australia. How would you feel
about that move? Is that a good move for New Zealand.

Speaker 10 (23:07):
I think it's a logical move. Whether it's going to
be an effective move, I think is another question, because frankly,
the capacity between those three really largely lies with Australia,
and that's going to raise its own tensions and due course,
if from the orchestra or proceeds, for instance, I think
the bigger picture question is what does that sort of
an alliance do in terms of the reaction of the

(23:30):
Chinese and the United States, And is further escalating tension
in the region to our overall advantage or disadvantage? And
I think that's really we just have to wait and see.
But the other thing on the side of that is
I noticed as part of the Indian discussion yesterday there's
talk about defense cooperation and I think that adds a
whole new dimension to it as well. If New Zealand

(23:52):
has some sort of a defense partnership with India, that
gives us perhaps just another bit of breathing space, if
you like.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
We spoke to doctor Jeffrey Miller about that this morning
and he did call it quite radical and that New
Zealand does need to be careful about who they lend
their name and reputation to when it comes to keeping
a balanced approach with China.

Speaker 10 (24:12):
Yeah, and I think the problem in New Zealand's god
is because of our overwhelming economic dependence on China, we
can't afford to upset them too much, which means we've
got to pull our punches whenever they do something that
we don't like, like fire missiles into the Pacific question again,
so that sort of compromises us, But the possibility is there,
I think with the Indian arrangement, just to give us

(24:32):
a little another sort of more flexibility. We're not so
totally dependent economically on China as we might might be
at the moment. But you know all, I think we're
in an environment internationally at the moment where one of
the things that Trump has caused is every country to
look at it at its defense relationships and who it
can work with and who it can align with in

(24:53):
stressful situations. And I think that's where the specific deal
sort of grows from.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Peter, I was wondering, do you follow UK politics these days?
I do, Yes, I think We want to ask you
really quickly what you made of Nigel Faraj this week,
Because he's stunt to pull off a by election to
distract everybody from his financial controversy he's in. It's all
backfired on him and he's up against demand wearing a
flashy trash bin called count Binface. Would you how would
how would you deal with this? Peter? If you got

(25:19):
yourself into the situation, Well, I.

Speaker 10 (25:22):
Don't think you get yourself into that situation in the
first place. The problem Forage has got of course, he's
doing this to try and forestall any parliamentary inquiry into
his spending. Parliament can't inquire into his spending if he's
not an MP. But if he wins the by election,
and what he's hoping to do is win the by
election by such an overwhelming majority that he scares the
Parliamentary Committee off, but that seems unlikely. So if he

(25:45):
wins the by election, the parliamentary inquiry continues and we
end up right back where we started, and potentially he's
found to have led them over his spending and then
he gets chucked out. So it's all a bit of
a circus.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Could this possibly be the end of Farrage.

Speaker 10 (25:58):
Well, it could be the beginning of the end, and
I think it's really quite interesting. I think it's really
quite interesting in terms of a people like New Zealand,
first one nation in Australia. All the parties that have
sort of modeled themselves on reform might now wish to
have second thoughts about that.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
Peter Dunn, thank you so much for your thoughts. Always
love you. To catch up and I've got some very
exciting news. Norway has scored. I've got to keep going,
don't I Yes, I do. Don't forget that. Joining me
after ten is actress Jennifer Garner to talk about her
new show, A five Star Weekend. When we'll be back
after this break.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
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Speaker 2 (26:41):
A new era is on the way for one of
our iconic fashion labels, Urban Streetwear brand Federation is celebrating
twenty five years in business this year, and to celebrate
founder Jenny Goblin, Joblin is taking a step back, handing
the reins to her children to evolve the business for
the next generation. Jenny Joblin is with me now. Good morning,

(27:02):
Good morning. Firstly, your twenty five years in the fashion
industry Congress. It has been a bit of a roller coaster, though,
hasn't it, Jenny.

Speaker 12 (27:10):
Oh completely, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
How significant does this milestone feel to you?

Speaker 13 (27:18):
I guess it's just kind of a bit crazy life.
So much of the time you don't really pause and
stuff along the way. And then when we hit the smilestone,
we were like, okay, we need to pause for a
moment and you know, just really look at all these
different chapters and celebrated and the fact that all three
of my not so young children now are part of
the business. It was, Yeah, it was just a time

(27:38):
when I went, okay, it's probably time to start entrusting
them with a little bit more in myself with a
little bit less of it.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
So it hasn't been easy. As we mentioned, you went
into liquidation in twenty fourteen. You rebuilt the brand from
the ground up. What have you learned about creating and
running a successful fashion brand in New Zealand.

Speaker 13 (27:58):
I think just the fact that it's I guess, in general,
with having a business. Sorry, I'm a little bit sacoph
I'm standing a bit nasally.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
No, I no, you're good.

Speaker 13 (28:07):
With having a business in general, it's a matter of
especially if you're a creative person, you've got to always
balance the business and the creative And it's yeah, it's
just a matter of looking at it constantly and analyzing.
But at the same time, there's only so quickly you
can pivot a business, especially when it's moving at a
significant rate and there's other people involved, and you know,

(28:29):
and it's a significant size. So I've learned a lot
about the balance of facing reality, like I'm a definitely
a half full person, like the cups half full, but
facing that reality of Okay, where are we at today,
where are we at in six months, as well as
being optimistic that tomorrow is always going to be a
bit better. I feel like that's something I really learned
during that time.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
I was interested to read about your experience overseas because
you were picked up by hundreds of boutiques around the world,
but it wasn't a sustainable option for you. How hard
is it for a New Zealand label to really make
it overseas.

Speaker 13 (29:02):
I think that specific point was a really big one.
When it did come to the point where we were like, okay,
there's no choice. We had taken on a lot of
stores in Europe at that time, and I guess without
the foresight of like we did send them a lot
of stock without payment and advance. I guess the kind
of excitement of having stores versus reality of you know,

(29:25):
are you actually just sending product into the ABYSS was
a big thing at the time. And we did also
go through other smather issues with our factories, and yeah,
that brought us to that point.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
So what have you learned as well over that period
of time of twenty five years about you know, having shops,
you know, the actual brick and water shop, and also
dealing with online and the demand of online.

Speaker 13 (29:50):
That's been a huge change in our industry in New Zealand.

Speaker 12 (29:54):
You know, like when we.

Speaker 13 (29:55):
Started twenty five years ago, I was driving around to
the factories and I did all the pattern making myself,
and you know, like watching everything get made to then
the reality that we weren't it wasn't sustainable to make
all our garments here anymore.

Speaker 12 (30:09):
So that was quite a big change in that way.

Speaker 13 (30:13):
And then also like a lot of different retailers, like
we really loved the fact that you'd gone to a
store and it would be all the different brands and
you know, just for that, I guess is reflective of
people's wardrobes a lot of different things, and then lots
of those stores then develop their own vertical product, which
is a big change for us. So it is really
coinciding that with then making sure making the most of

(30:36):
our own vertical and our own online business.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
So the new evolution of Federation, your children, Writer, Monty,
Dusty are about to take over the reins. How long
have they been involved in the business.

Speaker 13 (30:48):
A writer does all our marketing and sales, and she's
the most like a full time involved staff member. And
then Monty and Dusty both work part time. So Dusty
is still at high school, he's about to go off
to work now, so brilliant.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
So what did they bring to the brand?

Speaker 13 (31:05):
I think that it's just, I guess in general, with
whatever you do as you age, it's really easy just
to age your whole brand with you, you know, and
your whole market with you, whatever you're doing. So it's
good to have those fresh eyes to give you the
perspective of someone who's literally you know, not you know
that generation younger. So that's been really refreshing, and then

(31:26):
balancing that with maintaining our federation customers that have you know,
loved our brand so much and not losing them at
the same time.

Speaker 12 (31:33):
So I guess it's just it brings like.

Speaker 13 (31:35):
A really great perspective, a little bit more diverse than
just yeah, us as aging ones.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Well, I mean, I think you've seen it with Kate
Sylvesta passing on to Sylvester Range to her sons as well,
who've sort of refreshed it and given it life. And
I think when we see a lot of New Zealand
brands stopping trading, it's a wonderful option to have a
new generation come in, isn't it and give it some.

Speaker 12 (31:58):
Fresh Oh exactly.

Speaker 13 (31:59):
And I think that's and that's the truth of the matter,
Like to sell a brand isn't necessarily going to reflect
or the hard work that you know, someone like Cat
or myself have put into it, and my art's are
like super.

Speaker 12 (32:12):
Important to me.

Speaker 13 (32:12):
So that's something I'm really looking forward to be able
to focus on a bit more and let what's going
to be the crystal ball game of the fashion industry sometimes.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Be so Genny, are you going to be good at
standing back and leading them, you know, take over?

Speaker 12 (32:31):
I think to a point like I'm still going to
be involved.

Speaker 13 (32:33):
It's not like a full you know, change over, and yeah,
I still need to get you know.

Speaker 12 (32:39):
Unfortunately, it's just not that realistic. I still need a
day job. But it's not like we're.

Speaker 13 (32:44):
Mortgage free and fancy free over here, so you know,
so I still will be part of it, but it's
just letting them guide the brand a bit more and
have that face to face with customers is kind of exciting.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Oh well, congratulations on twenty five years and thank you
so much for talking to us when you weren't feeling great.
That was Jenny Joblin there from Federation. It is twelve
to ten, fearless, focused, informed.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
It's the mic Hosking breakfast Finance Minister Nichola Willison.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
At what point would you be worried before the end
of the year if there was two more or one
more or no more?

Speaker 14 (33:17):
It depends on economic events. And while I've been celebrating,
as I'm sure many New Zealanders have been, the big
fall and the petrol price at the pump. Of course,
just in the past twenty four hours we've seen the
price of oil leap out five percent as the skirmish
in the Middle East continues, So we still don't have
the full information about what happened in that three months
when the crisis was peeking, how high actually did inflation go,

(33:38):
And until I've got that information, it's pretty difficult to
guess what the right response through the ocras.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with Babies,
Real Estate, News Talk zedb.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
Keep It's Simple, It's Sunday the Sunday.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Session with Francesca Rudkin and Whigkeles for the best selection
of great readings, News Talk SEDBLA.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
This is world famous Norwegian DJ Kigo. He has remixed
and released Erling Harling's twenty sixteen rap song which was
called Keegouyu, which is absolutely terrible. He created it with
a couple of friends. They were just fifteen and they
were called the flow Kings and the DJ promised to

(34:38):
release it if halland scored for Norway Gates Brazil earlier
this week, which he did. So he's remixed and he's
over laid it with a whole lot of new things
and has put it out. I'd just like to say
very quickly England has scored. It is one one now
between Norway and England. My producer is very exciting. You
have two different studios here where people are getting very
excited at different times. But look, the original of that

(34:58):
song has been floating around YouTube now for quite some time.
I'm not kidding. It really is terrible.

Speaker 15 (35:04):
Have listened to this, come locks lisation Youms Lisa Big
That is the one for Harlem.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
I just love him. I mean, he didn't know when
he was fifteen that he was going to become a
world famous footballer and be one of the biggest sort
of footballers playing at the World Cup. Diddy but bless him.
So that's a little bit of the Harland rap there anyway,
So of course we've gotten all winning and playing at
the moment. As I said, it is one all I
just wanted to say very quickly. If you're on Instagram user,
good news yesterday. Meta has back down on a controversial

(35:37):
feature that allowed people's public Instagram posts to be used
by anyone for AI generation, which is absolutely nuts that
this was even offered. It was pitched as a creative tool.
It turned on automatically, so you had to opt out
of it, which meant you had to know about it,
which meant you had to be reading all your you know,
your terms and conditions and things, and so a lot

(36:01):
of people weren't even aware of it. But there has
been so much feedback or shall we say, backlash, that
ME announced yesterday that this feature missed the mark, so
it's no longer available. But next time you find yourself
thinking that social media platforms have good intentions, just think
about this feature and remind yourself that this would allowed
anyone to take an image of you and do whatever
they want with it, or use it however they like.

(36:23):
There we go, somebody said. The highlight of the All
Blacks game for me was the beautiful choir Mari and
Pacifica together wearing the cloaks, singing in three languages. Wellington
could be so proud. Maybe we're finally moving together. It
made me feel very happy, glad to hear that, Margaret,
you can text anytime throughout the morning. On ninety two
ninety two.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
The Sunday Session Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by
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Speaker 2 (36:50):
Coming up after News is American actress Jennifer Ghana. Jennifer
has appeared in numerous TV shows and films and has
been very busy of late producing and starring in the
Last Thing He Told Me, and now a brand new
show on Hey You called five Star Weekend. It's a
story about female friendship, midlife challenges. It's got a really

(37:10):
good cast and it's set in the beautiful Nantucket. It's
got a pretty good soundtrack as well. Florence and the Machine,
who we're listening to right now, she happens to turn
up in an episode here and there. Anyway, Jennifer is
going to join me to talk about the show, about
her career, about sort of being in her early fifties
and how you know, once upon a time she was
told she would not have a career after forty and

(37:33):
we're going to learn about her connection to New Zealand.
That's coming up next here on Newstalks.

Speaker 16 (37:39):
Ebe want to take it?

Speaker 17 (38:09):
It's a fine man.

Speaker 18 (38:11):
Restart the subs John, Then don't it.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Fun to win?

Speaker 11 (38:29):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
So here's the drinks in the door at the end
of the room.

Speaker 18 (38:37):
Supper too hot. It's shutting the door and ring at
my scroll.

Speaker 19 (38:44):
Cats looking.

Speaker 18 (38:49):
Looking fine, kind of.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
Topping at me. So it's Sunday. You know what that means.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and Wickles for
the best selection of grape reeds.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
US talk set be.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
Good Morning, You're with a Sunday session. It is seven
past ten. Hollywood actress Jennifer Garna has long been referred
to as America's sweetheart for her approachable, relatable nature and
girl nextdoor charm. But she's also one heck of an actor,
having appeared in the likes of Alias thirty, Going On Thirty, Daredevil,
and Juno. Jennifer's latest show is out now on Hey You,

(39:45):
Based on the best selling novel by Alan Hildebrand. It's
a drama series following grieving food influencer Hollis, who hosts
friends from different stages of her life for a weekend
away in Nantucket. It's called five Star Weekend.

Speaker 17 (40:00):
So I'm planning on having a girl's weekend to Vantucket
with a friend from each phase of lace.

Speaker 19 (40:06):
What are you scared of?

Speaker 2 (40:07):
I'm at a three day I diner party with a
bunch of women I've never met.

Speaker 17 (40:11):
Yeah, this is sturving. I really need this weekend.

Speaker 20 (40:15):
Your husband just died and made us off those baskets.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
This is how I deal.

Speaker 17 (40:20):
We are all dealing with a lot.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
So I have the results of your biopsy.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
What if I'm not brave enough to be myself?

Speaker 17 (40:26):
So what's your deal?

Speaker 19 (40:27):
What are you not telling us?

Speaker 20 (40:30):
This weekend's going to be a hoop?

Speaker 2 (40:32):
The cast is absolutely fantastic and Hope doesn't love a
Nantucket's setting. I'm absolutely delighted to have Jennifer Gana with
me now. Jennifer, good morning.

Speaker 17 (40:42):
Good morning, Francesca.

Speaker 6 (40:43):
How are you.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
I'm very good. It's lovely to have this opportunity to
talk to you. Thank you so much for your time.

Speaker 17 (40:49):
Can I tell you my kids had a nanny from
a Kiwe nanny and they all they to hear you speak.
It just cracks me up because they all have a
really good ear. But they can do the New Zealand accent,
not Australia New Zealand perfectly.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Which is really hard. That's a talent. Yeah, yes, I know. Well, look,
if you ever play in New Zealander, you sort it,
aren't you. You've got Yeah, you've got some good coaches
on board. Uh, Jennifer, you've said that the decision to
play Hollis was a clear Geese for you. Why was that?

Speaker 21 (41:21):
Oh?

Speaker 17 (41:21):
Because my gosh, even so many roles, you know, that
come your way. There might be an aspect you would
like or something that's attractive to you. There was nothing.
There were no red flags. It was like a group
of women and they're all so well written that they're
going to attract like real actresses. Little did I know
we would get the super star cast we got. So

(41:42):
that's a yes, she gets to cook.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
I love to cook.

Speaker 17 (41:45):
That's a yes. Female directors, producers, Yes, shoot on Nantucket, Yes,
shoot in La Yes done. Love the scripts, love Becket love,
Ellen Hildebrand love this show.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Did you see yourself in the character? I mean not really.

Speaker 17 (42:03):
I think that people think I'm more put together in
more or type A than I am. And my cooking
is definitely like I could never make a cookie box
with little uniform cookies.

Speaker 6 (42:14):
I just don't.

Speaker 17 (42:14):
I don't have that skill set. My cookies will be delicious,
although I might do a few that are burned, but
mostly they'll be delicious, but they're not going to be
perfectly sized and even and pretty. So yes, I saw
bits aspects of Hollis and myself, but mostly no.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
It's really interesting you use that tom put together because
this show is about friendship. It's about women's identity, and
it's about the challenges we face in midlife, of which
there can be many, but we kind of expected to
be put together. And what I loved about this film
is that you're probably sharing stories that a lot of
women are keeping to themselves.

Speaker 17 (42:54):
Yeah, yes, I agree, and I love that in the
middle of the of an episode, we're suddenly talking about
which estrogen patch you use. And it's not like it's
a big thing. It's not pointed at like, oh, we're
going to go into a parent menopause conversation. It's just
this is life. This is what it is to be
a woman in midlife. And I don't think i'd ever

(43:16):
seen that, seen that talked about on screen before.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
I wanted to talk to you about that as well,
because it does feel like stories of midlife female friendships
are relatively rare on screen. Why do you think that is?
It's quite a few of us.

Speaker 17 (43:31):
I think it's really hard to get right. I think
women are way more complex than men, So sorry emotionally,
and that's not nice to me to say, but I
think it's hard to write the complexities and layers in
history of female friendship. Well, and it just so happens
that we have this great source material from Ellen Hildebrand,

(43:53):
this beautiful book, and that surprises you on every turn.
You think, oh, it's a beat read, and then you
read it and you just go like, there's a reason
this is an all time bestseller because wow is it surprising?
Wow is it deeper than you expect it to be?
And every character has some huge turn at the end
that is like, what, I didn't see that coming. But

(44:15):
also we have this great show runner, Becca Brunstetter, who
gets women and gets how we talk to each other.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
I think there's very much sort of a change in
the air though when it comes to sort of seeing
these sort of stories on screen. I mean, you only
have to look at your industry. Once upon a time,
you know, female actresses were told that their careers would
be over when they were forty.

Speaker 17 (44:35):
Oh of course when I was starting out. Chloe and
I have talked about this. We had no reason to
believe when we were starting out that we would be
doing our favorite job. Ever at the ages we are now,
I'm fifty four and this is as good as it gets.
I'm completely and totally thrilled. And do I look over
my shoulder and think, oh, is that the last one. Yes,

(44:58):
but then I think, oh, I did that when I
was twenty two as well, So it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
You've got a lot of balls in the air. You're
producing your executive juicing, you're a business owner. Are you
at a point in your career where you can decide
how much is enough to juggle or are you just
loving taking opportunities.

Speaker 17 (45:17):
I think my kids have grown up quite a bit,
and I have one who's out of the house, one
who's going to be a high school senior, and it's
a different kind of needing me, you know what I mean.
I just feel emotionally like I have the space to
devote to work as selfish as my job is that

(45:37):
maybe I didn't have when they were younger. I have
a real co parent in Ben, and yeah, I'm just
really really enjoying this phase of motherhood. I'm really enjoying
this phase of life.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
Fantastic. Look, you mentioned the cast, and I can't believe
that you haven't worked with any of these women before.
I know, it's an incredible cast.

Speaker 17 (45:59):
Yeah, it's an incredible cast. And we've all bumbled around forever,
especially Chloe and me, and you know, she's just so
cool and she is everything. She is the she's iconic
for her fashion, she is a gay icon, she's a
New York icon, she's an indie film icon, all things
that I am not, even though you know, maybe I

(46:21):
have my you know, maybe I have bits of those
in my career and in my persona or whatever you
would call it. But I never thought I would be
in anything with Chloe, And boy, what a revelation to
get to do scenes with her and know her.

Speaker 18 (46:37):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
Absolutely fantastic. Hey, thank you so much for your time today.
Thank you really appreciate it. Thank you, thank you for
the show. Can you can you do any Kiwi accent?
Can you remember anything?

Speaker 17 (46:47):
Yeah, I'm just awful. I won't I won't do that
to you, but just know that there are three Affleck
kids who have got it down.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
Thank you, Jennifer, appreciate it.

Speaker 17 (46:55):
You're welcome.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
I just love that. I would never have I mentioned
the kids of Jennifer, Ghanna and Ben Affleck could perfect
Kiwi eccents.

Speaker 6 (47:00):
But there you go.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
Uh.

Speaker 22 (47:02):
The show that.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
Jennifer and I were talking about is called Five Star Weekend.
It's out on Hey you now right, have a listen
to this remake of a classic early nineties hit No who.

Speaker 7 (47:15):
This is.

Speaker 23 (47:17):
Shit, Sexy my shirt so sexy Persaxganger.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Yes, that's right. That is the distinctive voice of Macy Gray.
She is heading back to New Zealand for the first
time in ten years. She's going to form in six
cities around New Zealand and she's got a new album
coming out. It's coming out a little later on the year,
but she did do a cover of the song. I
am gonna ask her about the song choice and see
what she has to say. But she does a pretty
good job of it, doesn't she hmmm. If you're around

(47:53):
in the early nineties and that's familiar to you, there
you go. It is a fifteen past tenure with newstalksb.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
Relax, it's still the weekend.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudgin and Wiggles for
the best selection of great reads used talks that'd be.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
The wick called Kids Top Fifty has become an institution
giving kids the chance each year to vote for their
favorite books and share the joy with other readers. The
Kid's Top fifty is made up of books which get
the most votes. Now that the school holidays are upon us,
Voting is open for the twenty twenty six list and
wick Calls are keen to hear from children of all ages.

(48:30):
Just let them know the three books your kids love
the most, and chances are they'll turn up on the
new list when it's released at the end of September.
What better thing to do these holidays and think about
books and reading. You can take your kids into a
wick Calls store to place their vote, or go online
at Wickles dot co dot Nz with books, games, toys, puzzles,
great gifts, gorgeous stationary greeting cards and the wick Cals

(48:52):
Kids Top fifty. There really is something for everyone at
wick Calls the Sunday.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
Session, Yeah really what you want?

Speaker 19 (49:02):
What's really really well, really really well?

Speaker 2 (49:12):
So the Spys Girls turn at thirty this week. That
was the song that announced the arrival of the Spice Girls.
Gosh I can remember that. Posh Spice. Her husband David
Beckham is currently sitting in the stands of the final
between the quarter final between England and Norway. Norway have
just scored another goal to one. It's been up to

(49:33):
the little Tmo, It's been up to the var room.
Oh and it's a no goal. Harlan pushed an England player.
I mean, gee, you don't see any pushing and shoving
in a football game, do you these days? But never mind, So, okay,
we're back to one. All I'll calm down again and
let's talk entertainment. Joining me now is Steve Newell. Good morning,

(49:54):
Good morning.

Speaker 4 (49:55):
My pick for best celebrity at the World Cup so
far as Eddie Vedder sculling sculling a beer while his
own song got played in the stadium.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
That's pretty cool though, that's that. That's yeah, no, that'd
be a good way to watch game. Are you a
football fan.

Speaker 4 (50:08):
And joined the World Cup?

Speaker 3 (50:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (50:10):
Yeah, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Who are you backing today?

Speaker 3 (50:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (50:13):
Controversial.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
I'm doing Norway just for the hell of it. Yeah,
there we go. Okay, we will focus on the show though.
At the moment, Evil deed Burn and you and I
have been talking a little bit about this film because
it's a it takes some stamina. Let's have let's have
a listen. Let's have a listen to the trailer. We
found you, William by sweet Boy.

Speaker 12 (50:42):
They would give anything for us to be together again.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
The devil would return. If anyone read from the Book
of the.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
Dead, the whole family.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Reunited, and the Book of the Dead delivers once again.
This is the sixth film, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
Yeah, so there's an original trilogy and then it got
rebooted around twenty thirteen, and since then they've been shot
in New Zealand, which we kind of jumped, I guess
jumped that cube by being the location for Ash Versus
Evil Dead, the TV series, which had a lot more
of a kind of comical flavor than these new Evil
Dead films. Ye know, we've got the pretty full on

(51:35):
and you get a hint of that from the classification.
It's rated R sixteen for horror, graphic violence and offensive language.
Might be underselling it a little bit, to be honest.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
At the moment, there's lots of horrors out and about.
You've got backrooms, you've got obsession and things like that.
But I'm not entirely sure that a younger generation of
horror watches are actually going to be able to cope
with this. To see them a little by surprise.

Speaker 4 (51:58):
Sadistic was a word that came to mind from out
to seeing this, and luck that's all kind of part
of the fund. But this takes a I think a
kind of final destination, sort of joy and inflicting pain
on people with a lot of household objects. It is
a undead, tormenting the living film, but mostly set in
a big family home, and it's kind of maybe a

(52:19):
bit more claustrophobic than that sounds. I really liked how
action packed this was, maybe sort of from about the
sort of twenty thirty minute market just doesn't let up
for the whole runtime of the film. This chap in
front of me before the film started talked about how
he doesn't like seeing hand stuff and horrors, lots of
hand stuff, lots of hands getting mutilated.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
Yeah, no, absolutely, but.

Speaker 4 (52:39):
I think no matter what body part your my squeamish
of its probably something in evil dead burn to disturb you.

Speaker 17 (52:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
These are cuckclassics. They're hugely popular all around the world
and pretty much half the cast kiwis and they do
it a nice excellent job.

Speaker 4 (52:52):
Yes, Tandy Rider course and Eryl Shand, who is terrifying
in this film brilliant. Also one of the highlights of
New Zealand horror film Mademer last year for very similar reasons.
Really really terrifying screen presence.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
No so great cast, lots of gore, lots of blood.
It's definitely you know, it's a genre. This is hardcore
horror for Okay, for people who have maybe some more
discerning taste in movies. The New Zealand International Film Festival
release their program on Monday night, which was very exciting.
I already have a program filled with post it notes

(53:27):
as I try and you know, you know what I mean,
like you ti and work your way through it to
see what you must see, what you'd like to see
one hundred percent.

Speaker 4 (53:35):
You know, it's such a ritual sitting down for me
with the physical programmer going through it. It's how you
pack up on films you've missed through. There's so many,
so many announcements, so many things competing for attention. But
also it is great every yea to sit down and
use their online wish list function on the Okay website
so you can add films to your wish list and

(53:57):
it builds your calendar for you so you can figure
out all your clashes, make your decisions about what to
do each day. Like it's a you know, it's the
it's the more interactive version and I guess of scribbling
on the on the calendar inside the program itself. Mine's
kind of coming together. I've got too many things jostling
for position, but I'll figure that out over the next
sort of week or so. Tickets are on sale now,

(54:18):
so it's kind of good to start getting organized.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
If you step if you step back and you look
at this festival, what was you what were your sort
of your overall thoughts of the quality of the work here.

Speaker 4 (54:27):
It's again kind of spans lots of different ground. There's
films coming from the big film festivals, there's a slew
of really strong looking local features, and then there's just
oddities that you're sort of find scattered through the program
that might take like the second or third kind of
look through. Defined. So the standouts for me of the
previously announcement that they've been drip feeding titles now for

(54:49):
the last month or two Local picks documentary Lomu Mum,
I'm Alien Pregnant, which I'm so sold on based on
the title.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
I think that I don't think I'm probably embargoed, I'm
probably not allowed to say. I have seen it and
it is as absolutely wonderful and crazy as the titles.

Speaker 4 (55:04):
A fantastic The Ungrateful Tenant has my attention as well,
a black and white, silent scored film about the housing
crisis okay maybe from the horrors of the tenant's point
of view, and opening night film Big Girls Don't Cry,
which was recently announced as the grand pre winner at
Beerit's Film Festival by Kristen Stewart, Who's really impressed. And

(55:29):
then the international picks that had sort of previously jumped
out were Alpha Fatherland, I Want Your Sex, and best
title of the Film of the film Festival. Actually maybe
up there with a Mum, I'm Alien pregnant is teenage
Sex and Death at Camp Miasma, which I don't know
if any film describes any title describes a camp set
horror film better than that.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
How do you go through?

Speaker 15 (55:50):
Like I was?

Speaker 2 (55:51):
When I was going through, there were directors that were
jumping out at me like Jim JOm Mush and Gus
fin Sandm. I'm going, oh, wonderful new works from them.
But actually, you're right, you need to kind of also
just you won't recognize anybody about in these films, but
you just kind of need to read the blurb and
kind of does it sort of you know, is something
about the story capture your attention, I.

Speaker 4 (56:11):
Think, so, there's definitely been titles that I've been looking
out for. It's great to see The Fox in this
year's festival, Jai Courtney starring opposite Talking Fox voiced by
Olivia Coleman, who's giving him advice on his fiance. Yeah,
Sam Neil is a talking magpie, not a kid's film,
not an animated film. Should I should? I should stress.

(56:33):
I was also really pleased to see The Best Summer
And they've been hanging out for this for a while.
This filmmaker Tamra Davison. This sets off across Australia with
a camcorder in the mid nineties. She's on tour with
a whole bunch of alternative bands on a festival tour,
including Beastie Boys, Bikini Kill, Foo Fighters, Pavements, maybe the
best old music lineup of the nineties there. So that'll

(56:56):
be fun. But then things that I didn't really know
about until taking a kind of second look at the listening. So,
I mean, would you double take at a film called
The History of Concrete, for example, doesn't necessarily jump out
if as an engineer, I might, well, exactly, I think
I might have a really specific audience and it kind
of does, but in a different way. Director is John Wilson.

(57:17):
He's got a fantastic show called How Too with John
Wilson that had a couple of seasons. He's already really
idiosyncratic kind of editor, finding connections between things that don't
really make sense until he pulls them together in the edit.
Really humorous, really heartfelt, and the concept of this film
is he goes to a workshop about how to make
and sell a Hallmark movie, like a kind of mushy

(57:37):
made for TV movie, and tries to apply those lessons
to create and sell the documentary about Concrete.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
Thank you so much, Steve. Good suggestions there. If you'd
like to find out more, head to zied i if
dot co, dot zed and you're be able to find
the full program there. It's twenty eight past ten.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on Newstalk z B.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
Joining me now, doctor Michelde can think good mone good morning.
You've got quite a high brown number for us today.

Speaker 18 (58:11):
I know.

Speaker 24 (58:11):
It was just published in Biotic dot org and it's
a massive It's one hundred and ninety pages of research.
If you don't read it, just listen for the next
five minutes and more. Then basically, can scientists build life
from scratch?

Speaker 11 (58:24):
A pretty meaty topic.

Speaker 24 (58:28):
So, look, what separates something from being alive from something
that is not alive? And it's literally chemistry, right, because
everything from bacteria to blue whales is made of the
same atoms that rocks are, but rocks are not alive
and blue whales are. So the ingredients are the same,
but how they're organizes what makes something alive or not.
And so this amazing study basically took the ingredients the

(58:52):
chemistry and went can we turn this into life?

Speaker 20 (58:56):
Pretty big.

Speaker 12 (58:58):
So what they did is they took some.

Speaker 24 (59:02):
Basically liposomes, which are little fat bubbles which are what
make up a normal cell member, and they tried to
create an artificial cell and then they placed inside it
ninety thousand based persynthetic genome spread across things that we
know are in cells, so plasmids and purified proteins. Basically,
they put the ingredients of a cell into a fake

(59:23):
cell and then they fed them in some nutrients and
they wanted to know what happens next, because we've engineered
the thing that could be alive, and as they fed
them they watched these membranes merge and eat, basically feed
each other and grow, and they went, okay, so this
thing is happening, and then they went, well, can it

(59:47):
repeat if we do it more? So they kept feeding
it and the living cells grew, and then what was
interesting is they're DNA copied and they divided into daughter cells,
and they actually produced five generations of feeding, genome replication,
and division, which basically means five generations of these types

(01:00:09):
of cells that the scientists invented at the beginning that
then replicated, which you know, maney of Us would say
would be a sign of life. So then they went, well,
if we can create life, can we create evolution. So
they basically made a tiny genetic change in some of
the cells so that some of them fed better than others,

(01:00:29):
and then they fed them all and basically they found
an evolutionngth thing, which is the one that fed better,
grew faster and replicated faster, and therefore it wasn't full
Darwinian but basically survival of the fittest. Those that could
eat better basically survived more, duplicated more. And so to go, okay, well,

(01:00:50):
these are all the things that we consider to be life.
So did we just make life with chemistry? And the
answer is we don't know, basically, but it's massive And
basically we've used synthetic ingredients to create a cell that
replicates and feeds and does a lot of the things
that normal cells do. Now, these cells can't survive on

(01:01:10):
their own. They're not at that point yet. But I
do think it's an interesting question around what is.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
Alive and what is not. And this might be a
really silly question, but is it evolution of humans have
instigated it rather than hitmen naturally?

Speaker 24 (01:01:24):
No, totally, I mean no, technically not. But because these
things can't happen naturally, the only way to imply that
there would be a natural selection would be to credit
change and then give them both the same thing and
see if one would selectively be better. And the answer
is yes, but it's not classed as evolution technically, although
if these been naturally out there, we would. And I

(01:01:46):
think what is really interesting is it's not about whether
or not we've created life. I mean, I don't think
we have. We've created some of the traces of it,
but it's actually the first time that we've gone well,
which parts of chemistry are absolutely essential for life, and
I don't think we've ever known that before. And that's
the difference between a rock and a blue whale. So

(01:02:06):
if you have time to read one hundred and ninety
pages of this very deep article, which I did, it's fascinating.
If you don't, basically we've flunked in chemistry and it's
been really interested. I think we can back calculate now
for medical reasons how sales interact and what they need
to grow and survive.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
You know, that's fascinating. Thank you so much, Michelle, really
appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
We'll talk next week the Sunday Session Full Show podcast
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Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
It is still all one all between Norway and England,
and I'm sure keeping it on it as our residence
chief Mike vend Allison, Good morning then, I am not
no type.

Speaker 6 (01:02:47):
Of football this morning, no time for football full start.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Sorry, Well, you've been very busy this Mataiky. I'm really
keen to hear about your hangey.

Speaker 6 (01:02:58):
That you had.

Speaker 22 (01:02:59):
It was pretty cold. It's the first hungy that we've
ever had, and part of it was the wow. A
lot of it was the same oberation of MATTERIQI. But
part of it was also to raise money to go
towards Prince of Free Middleway who are planning or hoping
to release Kiwi into Goldie's Bush towards the end of
the year, which is pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Fantastic tummy tummy about Have you ever prepared one before?

Speaker 22 (01:03:24):
Long, long time ago when we were living in Henson Valley.
I remember we put one on at Henson Valley Hall.
I must have been or maybe six or seven. They
used petrol to light the fire that then got kind
of soaked into the rocks and food poisoned about two
hundred people.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Oh my goodness. Okay, that was right, So okay, I
wasn't expecting that so presumbly. That didn't happen yesterday.

Speaker 6 (01:03:52):
No, no, it was. It was amazing. Conrad Conrad is
our b kippie. We have a number of hives on
the farm.

Speaker 22 (01:03:58):
Conrad looks after it, and we asked him if he
had come in and prepare the hungy for us, and
he obliged. We said come along for the day and
bring your your farm out, bring your family, which he did.

Speaker 6 (01:04:14):
He brought his lovely wife and two daughters and two.

Speaker 22 (01:04:16):
Boys, and they lovingly prepared the hanging throughout the day.
It was very very well orchestrated, It was well pulled together.
It was extremely tasty, It was on time, and it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
Was delicious and no petrol was used. What else did
you make to go with it?

Speaker 22 (01:04:35):
So I made so b made some rewanda bread and
I also made some color cora pesto to go with it.
So because we have heaps of coracara on the farm,
so that the rest of me today actually uses coral
car in it.

Speaker 6 (01:04:49):
So if you're looking for carlacara, there's heaps out of middle.
I just walk around the golf course, you'll find it.

Speaker 22 (01:04:53):
But it likes shady spots, so kind of in gullies
or underneath trees is the place that you find calcara.
And there's a there's a trick to carlacara. The leaves
you'll find if you find a caracara bush, you'll leaves
that have been eaten. There will be leaves that are not.
The leaves that have been eaten are sweeter than the
leaves that are not. So when you're making the cora
color peste, so actually go for the ones for a

(01:05:16):
extra boat. Incredible, isn't it good?

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
To take your signs from nature.

Speaker 22 (01:05:20):
I think, well, I think if the caterpillar eats it,
then it's telling you it's ready to be eaten.

Speaker 6 (01:05:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
So you've got rowana with cowacowa pesto recipe for us today.

Speaker 6 (01:05:31):
Pretty cold, So the Raywana bread.

Speaker 22 (01:05:33):
So you need two hundred and twenty grams of kumura
that has been already cooked and then just kind of
smashed down into the chunks. So what you want to
do is take three hundred grams of white flour, one
hundred grams of whole meal flour, mix that together into
that go teaspoon of yeast, and if you want, you
could put in some seeds in there, maybe some feneral
seeds along those lines. Add in a teaspoon of salt

(01:05:56):
and mix that together. And then you add into the
water two hundred and thirty miles of warm water. The
kuma that I you have already cooked, a two hundred
and twenty grams of smashumra. Mix it into the water
and just intol. It makes a bit of a slurry
and then max that into your flower mixture. Pull it
together into a dough. It will be a sticky dough.

(01:06:17):
You can put a little bit of water in your hands,
a little bit oil on your hands, and then pop
that into a greased loaf tin, cover it with a
damp tea towel, and then leave that somewhere for about
an hour. That's going to grow tremendously, so just keep
an eye on it. Preheat your oven two hundred degrees,
so quite a high oven. And then once your gray
one of bread has proven for an hour, fire that

(01:06:38):
into the oven and cook that for thirty minutes.

Speaker 6 (01:06:41):
It is the most delicious bread. The recipe is actually
from the boys that o Middleway Delly.

Speaker 22 (01:06:47):
They do breed classes at Good from Scratch and it's
one of their rescuees and it's most delightful bread. So
honestly make it. Once that's cook, pull it out, let
it rest. If you can let it rest for an hour,
it's when the bread rests, that's when it develops its flavor.
So the longer you can allow it to rest before
you jump into it, the better. And then the color
color pieste. That was pretty easy. So I've got ten
color col leaves, the mixture of leaves with holes and none,

(01:07:09):
like I was saying, set them aside into a blender.
You go one cup of curly parsley, one cup of
flat leaf parsley, and a cup of Corianda leaves. So
those three leaves into a blender, Add in a cup
of sunflour oil, so a fair amount of oil, some salt.

Speaker 6 (01:07:24):
Some pepper, and give that a blitz.

Speaker 22 (01:07:27):
Give it a little taste after that point, and then
start adding in your Cora color leaves. And color color
leaves themselves can be really really bitter, so if you
chuck them all in, you know you can't take that
bitterness away. So what you do is add in half
the color color, give that a blitz, have a little taste.
If you can just start to taste that bitterness, you
can add maybe one more. When you're happy with that bitterness,

(01:07:47):
pull it out of the blender and then into a bowl.
Mix it with a cup of almonds which have been
toasted and crushed, and a cup of parsley, so a
couple of grated palms, and add those three things together
and it is delicious. Serve that with the raywan of bread,
and honestly, it's a mutaiqui special at I've.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
Got quite a lot of at home actually, and someone
had mentioned to me it's great to make tea with
because it has an anti inflammatory kind of element to
it as well.

Speaker 22 (01:08:20):
In a previous life, can I tell you something very
in the previous life, there's an ex Sas soldier called Horse. Yeah,
and I was doing a program called Kiwi Living and
Horse came to the farm and we made cocoa tea together.
And he put colcara into a into a little pot,
brought it to the boil, and then added about four cups, no,
maybe five cups of brown sugar to it.

Speaker 6 (01:08:42):
It was disgusting.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
No, it's not the best. And also, oh, maybe I'm
getting confused, I'm getting Oh no, it's the hot repito.
I've got a really good friend who I go fast
pecking and tramping with, and she knows, she seems to
know what every plant is in the bosom things. And
one day she was saying, now, now try this, now,
put this and chew it up a little bit. And
I was chewing away, and then all of a sudden
she yells at me, spit it out, spit it out now.
And I was just a fraction too late. And oh

(01:09:06):
my god, it's so peppery, it's so hot.

Speaker 6 (01:09:08):
Yes, they call it bush pepper. Yeah, Yeah, it's incredible.

Speaker 22 (01:09:18):
These are just plants that are in our botch and
we half of us wouldn't even know what they look like,
and we really do need to go out and learn
about them and try them an experiment with them.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
I think, Oh, well, wonderful. Thank you so much for that.
Appreciate it.

Speaker 25 (01:09:32):
Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
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at news talks. He'db dot co dot inz. You'll be
able to find all our interviews from this morning. Anything
that we've chatted about, you'll be able to find up
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Speaker 3 (01:09:55):
There's no better way to start your Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
It's a Sunday session with Francesca Rutkin and Wiggles for
the best selection of Greg reads news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:10:05):
EV.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
It is time to talk wellness. Now. I'm joined by
Aaron O'Hara. Good morning, Good morning. Okay, you are going
to take us through mitochondria today and we're going to
talk about these incredible cells which are kind of like
the powerhouse of cells.

Speaker 26 (01:10:20):
Aren't They absolutely in mitochondria if you don't know what
they are, they're in every cell within your body, and
you can think about them as like the little batteries
that run your energy production within your body, so they're
really really important. Basically, all the food that you eat, carbohydrates,
proteins and facts, you use that by combining it with
oxygen and this process known as the crypt cycles within

(01:10:43):
these little mitochondria, which are those little cellular batteries combined,
and that's what makes energy. So basically, if you want
energy to go out and do things, you need to
have a really good mitochondria function. The thing with the
byproduct of producing energy though, is you do release free radicals,
and that's why as we age, this process is not

(01:11:03):
always as good as when we're a little child. Basically,
as we age, it does affect how the mitochondria function,
and we do have more problems with our health based
on mitochondria health.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
So it can decline. Can things interfere with it as well?

Speaker 26 (01:11:18):
There, Yeah, you can get data mutations, which is actually
one big part that actually happens as we age, as
well as structural damage within these little cellular batteries. And
when that's not happening properly. What happens is then we
can get a cellular energy crisis, and that can lead
to increased inflammation, and that flows on to increase chronic

(01:11:40):
age related diseases. So that would be things like diabetes, Alzheimer's, dementia,
even just chronic fatigue, feeling more fatigue age.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
In a way, they're responsible for our general health almost.

Speaker 26 (01:11:53):
Absolutely, and when you look at all chronic disease, actually
one massive component that affects whether you get chronic disease
or not is actually mitochondria health. And so as we age,
we're releasing more freddy reds, which is then affecting how
these cells are producing energy, which then has a flow
on effect of increased inflammation, which means them again more

(01:12:15):
likely to get chronic diseases like arthritis, diabetes, dementia. Because
we have a lot of mitochondria in our brains, it
really affects neurog generation as we age, because we have
these mitochondria that are basically controlling cellular energy in your
brain function. So how are we going to know if
we've got an issue? Because we talk it affects so

(01:12:39):
many things. How do you narrow it down to going
on there's a problem with your mitochondria. Well, that's where
it's looking at symptoms. So some symptoms you'd expect with
poor mitochondria function would be unexplained fatigue, so getting really
exhausted for no particular reason. And as we all notice,
you probably find g energy is not what it is

(01:13:00):
at twenty five as it is at sixty five. So
it shows you that change in mitochondria health as we
age naturally happens. You can get severe muscle weakness when
your mitochondria not working properly, delays in memory, so you
have poor memory loss. Also hearing loss, vision loss as

(01:13:21):
well as constipation diarrhea can relate into mitochondria function as well.
And there's lots of diseases that are actually more severe
mitochondria health or dysfunction diseases. But also secondary to that
is actually your other health conditions like your diabetes, mes
and even cancer actually has a huge component to mitochondria dysfunction. Now,

(01:13:44):
there is a lot that we can do to improve
our mitochondria health. Do it so it's not all do
and glue as we age. Actually all that we do
is actually going to really make a massive difference in
how healthy your mitochondria function is, and that comes down
to physical activity is like my number one, get out,
move your body. Anything that has a regular aerobic so

(01:14:08):
using oxygen activity as well as interval training is amazing
for mitochondria health. As well as what's trending at the moment,
the Zone two training, which is low intensity cardio exercise
that's sort of sixty to seventy five percent of your
maximum heart rate, really really helpful for improving metabolic flexibility

(01:14:28):
and mitochondria function. Also looking at your nutrition, so things
that will help with improving and clearing out the damaged
mitochondria and proving cellular repair is things like intermitted fasting.
Also calorie restrictions, so if you're over eating, you're actually
going to be making your mitochondria work harder, as well
as boosting in your antioxidant so things like oh your

(01:14:52):
eat the color of the rainbow, So your fruits and
vegetables great for mitochondria function, as well as getting in
polyphenales that we get from our colorful fruits and vegetables
as well as things like green tea and pomegranate amazing
for me mitochondria function. Cold exposure so doing your cold
ice baths actually stimulates the production of mitochondria and enhances

(01:15:15):
their efficiency. Sleep, which I think always gets underrated. Sleep
is amazing for mitochondria function as it helps you remove
the mitochondrial waste from the build up of the day,
as well as stress management, always keeping that under control.
As where were stress we're going to be putting more
strain on the mitochondria. And then you can look into
some supplements, so things like COQ ten is amazing, which

(01:15:38):
is also known as ubiquanol, which is the most probably
known as the spark blood for mitochondria function. B vitamins,
so whether it's a B complex or your MINN which
is always so trendy at the moment, which is actually
just B three and then cartotenes the protein is helpful
for mitochondria function. And you can look into things like

(01:15:58):
alphaiml acid or things like PQQ which are all things
that are going to be amazing for improving mitochondria.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
How brilliant. Thank you so much, Aaron. We'll catch up
next week the.

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
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Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
Thank you very much for getting in touch this morning.
Cower cow Bu'm great for aches and pains. Somebody mentioned
thank you for that. Muz wants to know what the
score is. Okay, as we're about two and a half
minutes into seven minutes of stoppage time, it is still
locked up as one all and it's getting a little
bit frenetic out there. Obviously a bit of pressure on
all bit more stoppage time. So what you're doing for

(01:16:43):
fall and if you're speaking of that? Next out we
will be talking to Piney about the rugby as well.
What did you feel about the TMO last night and
that All Blacks Italy game. We're getting a little bit
frustrated by the tmo's role. Keep to hear from you
on that as well. Ninety two ninety two. Right, if
you're around in nineteen ninety you will remember Macy Gray's
album on How Life Is? It was released that year

(01:17:05):
The Whole World fell in love with Uniques in his
singer songwriter's voice Well with Iver twenty five million records
sold worldwide, a Grammy, two brit Awards, and ten studio
album Spanning more than two decades, she is still going strong,
heading to New Zealand and October for a six city tour.
The Amazing Masie Gray is with me after eleven.

Speaker 19 (01:18:02):
Love and You Behavior and It's Much Too Much.

Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
Welcome to the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and Wiggles
for the best selection of great reads used.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
Coming up this hour on the Sunday Session, how did
Jason Pine rate the All Blacks against Italy last night?
And who's he backing to take the last couple of
semi final spots in the Feper World Cup. Joan has
a new book from Anne Clary that won the Allen
and Unwin Fiction Awarden. If you're away this weekend, possibly
staying in a hotel, motel read accommodation, you might be

(01:18:43):
interested in Meagan's Eggiest Things to Know About Your Room
or not.

Speaker 3 (01:18:49):
The Sunday Session.

Speaker 1 (01:19:07):
Nine.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
This song launched the distinctive voice of Macy great international stardom.
The song was huge, so was the album that was
off both top and the charts here and around the world.
Twenty seven years later and Macy has sold over twenty
five million albums, She's got a Grammy, she's got brit
Awards ten albums, and she's still going with a new
album due out later this year. Macy is heading to

(01:19:28):
New Zealand for a six date tour. She joins me, Now,
good morning, thanks for being with us.

Speaker 19 (01:19:34):
Absolutely, this is.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
Your biggest tour of New Zealand yet what keeps you
coming back?

Speaker 3 (01:19:43):
I like it.

Speaker 27 (01:19:44):
That's you know, it's definitely very far from my home,
but every time we go there, we have a ball.
We always get to do interesting things, interesting food.

Speaker 19 (01:19:54):
For sure.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
I feel like we have seen a few more international
acts that are broadening out and doing bigger tours and
covering more towns like you are. Do you enjoy that
that you kind of get to see more of the
country and and reach a broad audience.

Speaker 16 (01:20:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 27 (01:20:12):
The world is so big, you know, and I think
it means so much to travel and see different things
and experience different cultures, different food, different different.

Speaker 19 (01:20:23):
Sites, you know, and.

Speaker 27 (01:20:26):
And to be able to do that, you know, through
through music and entertaining people, is it's just it's just
huge and anybody that gets to do that is really fortunate,
and so.

Speaker 19 (01:20:40):
You know, we're all just just really grateful for it, honestly.

Speaker 2 (01:20:44):
And I thought, well, I think audiences are really grateful
to Macy, and I think after what we've been through
over the last five years. Everyone wants to get out
and they they want to feel good, and they want
to be entertained, and they want to hear, you know,
amazing voices they love.

Speaker 19 (01:20:59):
Oh, I know, I do, Yeah, I know. Anytime I
think people, I think, honestly, you.

Speaker 27 (01:21:04):
Know, we put so much on politics and money.

Speaker 19 (01:21:09):
The most important thing in the world is to be entertained.

Speaker 12 (01:21:13):
You know.

Speaker 27 (01:21:13):
You have to have you know, you have to have
joy to survive. You know, you have to have you
have to be able to take a break and a
mental break, you know, you have your heart needs a break.
And I really don't think that anyone would be alive
as if they didn't have entertainment in their life. You know,
I really think that's something that that would that would

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the deprivation of that would I honestly kill you, you know,
because you you would just be so overwhelmed with reality,
you know.

Speaker 19 (01:21:42):
So I think I think everybody needs that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
I completely agree. And the people of New Zealand love
you too. You've already sold out three of your six shows.

Speaker 6 (01:21:54):
Whooa.

Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
We are going to be the first to hear music
from your up and coming album, The Trouble with the Truth.
We're going to be hearing it live. The album is
an out just yet, I haven't been able to have
a listen. So tell me a bit about the album.

Speaker 19 (01:22:11):
You know, it's hard to describe music.

Speaker 27 (01:22:12):
It's it's definitely a little bit of an experiment for
me because because I I co produced it, so we'll
see the reaction from that. Why or I'm just doing
you know, I'm doing everything that I really really want
to do and saying the things I want to say.
So so it's a it's more of a purer project

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than my ones in the past, and then it's.

Speaker 19 (01:22:36):
Been a it's been a big learning experience for me.

Speaker 27 (01:22:38):
But but okay, so on the other side of it,
I think I think people will really uh, I think
it will connect.

Speaker 19 (01:22:44):
I think people will will.

Speaker 27 (01:22:46):
Like it lyrically, and there's stuff in there you can
dance too, you know, you can sit back and you know,
relax and chill. I think I think it's you know,
like I said, people want to be entertained, and I
think I've made an entertaining album.

Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
It's interesting, you know, you talk about it being a
learning experience, because it must be, you know, to use
it with joy again, it must be such a joy
for you to be able to evolve as an artist.

Speaker 19 (01:23:14):
Oh yeah, well yeah, well I think you have to.

Speaker 27 (01:23:18):
But yeah, I've definitely grown up, you know, as an
artist my voice is a lot more more.

Speaker 19 (01:23:25):
Uh uh skilled and trained, you know. So so yeah,
I've definitely definitely grown up for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
I have heard one song from the album I'm Too sixy.
Why did you choose to do a cover of the song?
I love the cover art? By the way, do you
know what?

Speaker 19 (01:23:46):
It was a what do you call it? Spontaneous? How
it just happened? Where was I it was? It just
came on and I was like, oh my god, we
got to do that.

Speaker 7 (01:23:54):
Uh.

Speaker 27 (01:23:56):
It just literally came out of the blue. It wasn't
like I've been thinking about it for years. It was
really spontaneous. And then the thing about that song is
as a musician, you'll really appreciate it because there's all
kinds of if you really just sit back and listen
to it, there's all these little details and like, technically
it's an amazing song. It's actually a musician song. But

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you know, with the lyrics that everybody you know, it's
fun and it's something that's like a catchphrase everybody says.
But musically, it's actually really really deep, So I think
that's what I appreciated about.

Speaker 19 (01:24:33):
That the most. But yeah, and you know, everybody loves.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
That song absolutely. I do want to talk to you
more about your career because you really did break onto
the scene in such a big way in nineteen ninety
nine with that song I tried, you went to number one?
You want agree me? What was it like to have
that kind of success in recognition so quickly everywhere?

Speaker 19 (01:24:57):
It wasn't quick. Everybody thinks that was quick.

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
So what happened.

Speaker 19 (01:25:03):
So that song didn't come up?

Speaker 27 (01:25:05):
I have been signed for about a year before that
song came out, and then when it came out, it
didn't really hit till gosh, they had been they had
been working that record for at least about six months
before anybody really before it really started catching on, you know,
So it took a while, took a lot longer than

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everybody realize.

Speaker 3 (01:25:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
No, it felt like to the rist about it felt
like we were just introduced to you and boom, you know,
like there it was. What what was it after that
six months? What was it that just suddenly made it
take off?

Speaker 19 (01:25:39):
I think just well, my label, you know, they they
knew what they were doing, that's for sure. And I
and I had. The first thing I did was go
on tour.

Speaker 27 (01:25:48):
But like as soon as I got signed, before anybody
knew who I was, I was I was, they sent
me out to play shows and so I kind of
made a name from myself the hard way, you know.

Speaker 19 (01:25:58):
I was I was and I and I did it internationally.
The first the first place I toured was it was Europe,
was the UK actually, so you know, it's a grind,
you know, and every everybody has to do it. I think.

Speaker 27 (01:26:10):
I think a lot of artists come out of nowhere
and there's this myth that they just you know, woke
up and all these good things happened. But you really
can't skip the work that you have to put into
it to get where you want to go.

Speaker 19 (01:26:24):
You know, there's there's really no way around, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
And may see in a way your journey was a
little is a little different from other artists. You already
had three quite young children by the time you were
signed and started recording music. I have a lot of
respect for you managing three children and then you know,
suddenly this success.

Speaker 19 (01:26:45):
Yeah, I was a mom.

Speaker 27 (01:26:47):
I have been married when I got signed, and uh,
I did it kind of backwards. Everybody does it the
other way around, I think. But you know that's that's
typical of me to do things the wrong way. Not
that it was wrong, but but that's not usually how
everybody does it.

Speaker 19 (01:27:04):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
Well, it's all about it's all about time, think right now.
You don't know when that success is going to come
and when it when it drops, it drops, and you
kind of got to go with it. I'm sure. It
was quite a challenge though with with with three children,
Well do they keep you grounded?

Speaker 27 (01:27:19):
They don you know, Uh, nothing is more humbling than
than kids having kids, you know, But it was I
think because I was much younger, and I was so
excited and and uh just really like partying and having fun.
I don't I don't really think I sat down and

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analyzed how how hard or how heavy that was and
and really started through like I should have, you know, so,
you know, I made a lot of mistakes along the way,
but well we all had fun.

Speaker 17 (01:27:55):
You know.

Speaker 19 (01:27:55):
My kids have been all over the world and have
seen you know.

Speaker 27 (01:28:02):
Everything, you know, not everything, but they've seen things that
a lot of kids their age haven't. And but yeah,
it's it's it's difficult because both both are priorities. You know,
your work is the most important thing in the world,
and your kids done the most important thing in the world, and.

Speaker 19 (01:28:18):
So you spend a lot of time figuring out what
to do next, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
May see you eventually went independent in twenty ten. Was
that a better fit for you? Why did you make
that decision?

Speaker 27 (01:28:33):
I think it was a moment where the record business
was really changing drastically, and there was this there was
this idea that in department pendent artists it was like
the cool thing to do and if you were at
a certain level, you didn't need the label, and so
I think I tried it out at that point.

Speaker 19 (01:28:53):
But and that's true.

Speaker 27 (01:28:55):
You're being independent is amazing, but you also have to
you know, you have to know how to run your
own label. You know, like you can be independent and
you can put your stuff out and but if you
don't know how everything works and all the things you
have to you know, check mark in order to get

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to a certain point and reach a certain amount of people,
you have to have an extraordinary amount of finances to
do it properly. You know, it's it's a real it's
it's very expensive to be in the record business, so
you know, it was just it was I think at
the time, it was an experiment and I and I thought,
oh I can do this, you know, But it's it's

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one thing to like to put your record out right,
but there's nothing like having you know, a whole other
crew of people in I don't know, in New Zealand
working your album, you know what I mean.

Speaker 19 (01:29:55):
Like you just can't do that on your own. There's
just no way.

Speaker 27 (01:29:58):
So it's fun, it's it's definitely interesting and you'll learn
a lot from it. And and there's some artists that
have done and insane things on that own. But I
don't think I've had enough of an understanding of how
the record business works and to do it to do.

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
It myself, you know, or just part of the learning
and the evolving, isn't it. Macy? Hey, can I yeah, yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:30:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
Can I ask you really quickly about your incredible voice
because it is so distinctive and you mentioned before that
you know you've kind of maybe work technically on it,
but once upon a time, and I know that when
you were a kid you were bullied at school for
your voice.

Speaker 25 (01:30:33):
Is that right?

Speaker 27 (01:30:35):
Oh yeah, I still get nobody bullies me, but I
still everybody still makes fun of my voice.

Speaker 19 (01:30:39):
That just will never go away. I've accepted it finally.

Speaker 2 (01:30:43):
Do they still make fun of your voice?

Speaker 19 (01:30:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 27 (01:30:46):
Everybody marks my voice. May not everybody, but they do.
Like when they if they well't me, they always do
it in.

Speaker 19 (01:30:54):
My voice, like people that are close to me. It's
pretty funny.

Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
Actually, Okay, I'm glad you're laughing. That's good. I'm glad
you laugh about it. How old were you though when
you realized how old were you though? When you realized
that you did actually that this voice could communicate with people,
that it was this amazing tool that you had not I.

Speaker 27 (01:31:11):
Didn't really wrap my head around until I was in
my twenties. I was a late bloomer. But I had
a hunch, you know, maybe my voice was peculiar for
a reason, and.

Speaker 26 (01:31:25):
And so you know, and so I went for it.

Speaker 27 (01:31:27):
But it took me a while to really settle into
what I really really wanted to do, you know, I was,
I was. I was into my twenties for sure, like
maybe twenty two, twenty three.

Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
And you've done a bit of acting as well. Is
that something that you're keen to continue doing.

Speaker 27 (01:31:45):
Yeah, it's it's been slow for me, but so I've
actually been working on my own writing, my own thing
and wanting to get that made. But yeah, it's it's
I love it, I don't you know. I'm definitely not
you know, Meryl Street or anybody, but I do enjoy it.

(01:32:06):
But it's it's a chat like music I can do
in my sleep. I could literally go to bed and
still make a record and do a show. But acting
I have to you know, I have to get a cold.
I have to really work, work at it. You know,
I'm nervous while I'm doing it. It's it's totally different,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
Macie, thank you so much for your time today. Can't
wait to have you back in New Zeale. I'm so
looking forward to the tour. Are you still listening to
Britney Spears before you go on live or if you
found something else too?

Speaker 27 (01:32:36):
Yeah, I used to only listen to her, so you know,
I'm now in my evolution, of course I mix it up,
but yeah, I still I still listen to Brittany before
I go on sometimes.

Speaker 19 (01:32:45):
Yep, I love it. Give me more, that's the one.
Give me more doesn't hype you up?

Speaker 2 (01:32:50):
Then I don't know what to tell Macy Gray. Thank
you so much?

Speaker 19 (01:32:55):
All right, thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
How cool is Macy Gray? If you wanted to catch
her in concert, tickets are on sale now. She's hitting
our way in October. I got lovely chicks from Lego
and Francisca along with Tony Childs and a great name
from the past. Macy's voice grabbed my heart and vocal cords.
Thank you so much for your text. England is up
to one. We are an extra time. We're at one
hundred and four minutes now, so a little bit longer

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to go and see how others all pants out. I'll
tell you what. My producer is very paranoid. This is
going to go to the penalty shootout because she's not
going to be able to manage that. She says, We've
got to wrap this thing up. So we'll wait and
see how that unfolds. We'll talk to Piny about it
shortly soon. Panel is up next here on the Sunday Session.

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Speaker 3 (01:34:45):
For Sunday session.

Speaker 2 (01:34:49):
It is time for the panel. I'm joined by resident
economists at op's partners, Ed McKnight.

Speaker 11 (01:34:53):
Morning, Ed get A Franchisca. Good to be here.

Speaker 2 (01:34:56):
Good to have you with us. TV producer, journalist and
commentator Iren Gardner is with us as well. Hi, Ireing,
Hi there. Good to have you both with us. Can
we start with the poll of polls which was released
the Herald today? Of course, this just kind of takes
a look at all the polls out there, gives us
a bit of an idea about where we're sitting, where
all the political parties are sitting, and they're kind of
sitting where we expected them to sit, I thought, Irene,

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but it did make me wonder about where whether there
will be a great amount of movement. And I don't
think there's going to be a great amount of movement
in the polls between Labor and National. Maybe around the
minor parties, but it kind of depends on whether people
have made the decision as to who they're going to
vote for. I don't expect you to tell me who
you're going to vote for, but have you already decided

(01:35:37):
who you're going to vote for?

Speaker 25 (01:35:40):
I would say that I probably have, and that I'm
unlikely to change, but I think there are a few
things that could change things. I think you're right that
it's not so much about the bigger parties as it
is the smaller and that maybe things won't change much.

(01:36:01):
But I think if the economy somehow managed to signific improved,
that would help national even though that would largely be
out of their hands because it's very globally driven. I
think if the coalition got really messy and fall ly
a party, that could change things. And I think labor

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have been quite low. I think coming out really hard
with what they're going to do in policies, and that
might be strategic and they might be keeping their power
to dry and there might be some things there that
could change things. Not sure about that one, so yeah,
that would be marginal thought.

Speaker 2 (01:36:45):
I mean, ed, what about you and maybe the people
around you and the people that you're talking to you
might have more interesting things to talk about than who
you're going to vote for an election. But do you
feel that people are set or they're still making up
their minds?

Speaker 21 (01:36:56):
Well, Francesca, I decided her to vote for fifteen years ago,
and I've never changed since the eighteenth birthday and.

Speaker 2 (01:37:02):
I think you know, you're allowed to wait.

Speaker 21 (01:37:06):
But the thing is that, like I think a lot
of people, you decide who to vote for not based
on the policies that come out every single year, but
based on the values that each party has. So you
find a party that you think, yeah, that really closely
aligns with the direction I'd like the country to go in,
and I'm just going to keep on voting for them.

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What I do think we're going to see some movement
in is people switching their votes between the left and
the right blocks.

Speaker 11 (01:37:33):
I've been thinking about this this morning.

Speaker 21 (01:37:35):
Let's say that you're a left wing voter, and you
might look at Labor and be like, oh, I like them,
but they're not far left enough for me. I look
at the Greens, or maybe they're a bit too far left,
but you know what, I'm going to vote for the
Greens because then that means that we've got a bigger
pull or another party pulling Labor over to the left.

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And so you might see people switching within the blocks
to try and pull the coalition that comes out within
a certain direction.

Speaker 3 (01:38:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:38:05):
I think the opportunt your parties also playing a really
interesting role. Potentially the selection to ED because I think
a lot of people are looking around going I don't
want to vote for anyone. I don't want to vote
for any of these people. I'm fed up with all this,
you know, and they're looking for another opportunity.

Speaker 6 (01:38:20):
Well.

Speaker 21 (01:38:20):
The funny thing about the Opportunity Party is they keep
saying that they're a centrist party, but I see them
as about as far left as you possibly can be
with the amount of property taxes that they're wanting to
bring out. But I do see it as a little
bit of a protest vote. The big question in my
mind around the Opportunity Party voters, though, is are they
going to turn up to the polls?

Speaker 2 (01:38:40):
That is true, Well, at least you two know what
you're doing when it comes to voting, so you don't
have to stress about it. You can just ignore everything
for the next three months.

Speaker 25 (01:38:47):
I don't believe ED has never voted for anyone different
in all the time. Its very consistent.

Speaker 11 (01:38:55):
Well, when you're right, you're right, Okay, not fair to comment.

Speaker 2 (01:39:03):
We'll wait and see how that pans out for you.
I wondering if we could talk. Of course, I'm sitting
here at the moment, I'm watching Norway playing England in
the quarter final. England's up to one, we're in extra time.
It's all very tense here in the outside, in the
newsroom and things. We often head up to the var
Last night we head to the TMO when we were
watching the All Blacks playing Italy, and you know, in

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particular last night, I found that really frustrating. It it
felt like we were getting the Reef was getting things
right and wrong. Then the TMO is interfering, and then
the game stops and I kind of lost interest and
found myself scrolling on my phone. This morning, Elliot Smith
said to me, tmos need to go out of every
game of sport. He said, just get rid of them,
get back to making a decision on the field, accepting

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we're human. Sometimes we get it right, sometimes we get
it wrong, and just move forward. How would you feel
about that, Ed, if we went back to the old days.

Speaker 21 (01:39:55):
I'm all about the old school, because I feel like
the reefs have had just such a hard time because
every single game they referee, one of the whatever the
losing is going to say that the ref was biased, right,
and so I feel like we've become so conservative that
it's all going to be checked by the people up
in the boxes. But the way I think about it

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is I can understand why hardcore fans want that level
of scrutiny over it, but I think we really need
to be targeting the game that people at people like yourself, Francesca,
who are casually interested. But look, if it drags on
too long, we're just going to go on our phones.
That's who the game's really got to target and get
them interested. So I'm a big fan of getting rid
of it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:36):
What about you, Eran, I know you're a big sports watcher.

Speaker 25 (01:40:40):
Well, yes, I was just going to say, I'm not
really a big sautiousness. I do tend to agree that
I think old school might be better on this one,
that it might be better to return to humanity and
a better flow of the game. But having spent that,
I don't want anything that makes it any harder for referees,
because I appreciate that the soluntary referees who have been

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having the trouble down in Wellington are probably not using
fancy to chnology with that.

Speaker 2 (01:41:09):
But I think you said you set a standard, right,
you know, like in rugby, you don't you get a
little bit of talk back to the reef. But you
know that if you go to Fay you're going to
be in trouble. I cannot believe watching the football, the
nonsense the ref's put up with. Have you been watching
any d.

Speaker 21 (01:41:27):
No, to be honest with your Francesca's all, it's all
a bit over behead this football stuff. I mean, they
only get a goal once every half hour or so.
I mean, I'd much rather be into basketball with us
scoring every thirty seconds?

Speaker 2 (01:41:42):
Do they use do they use video text sort of
assistance in basketball?

Speaker 11 (01:41:47):
Or not know we needed the same degree?

Speaker 14 (01:41:48):
Do they no?

Speaker 11 (01:41:49):
Well, such a fast game?

Speaker 2 (01:41:51):
Interesting? Look, I wouldn't thank so much. Irean Gardner and
Ed McKnight. Look, I don't mind keeping it, but I
think it needs to be when the reef wants to
call for it. Like if the reef is unsure about
call that they're making on the field, then they can
go to the TMO. But I don't think the team
I should just be able to kind of interfere and
point things out, specially when goals have been scored and
converted and things like that. Anyway, you're most welcome to
she your thoughts. You can text on ninety two ninety

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two It is twenty six to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:42:22):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on News Talks
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Speaker 3 (01:42:40):
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Speaker 2 (01:42:41):
Coming up at midday, Jason Pike with Weekend Sport. Good morning, Jason,
Hello there, franchhip. I was really thinking that by the
time I was speaking to you today on my should,
we would know three out of the four World Cup
semi finalists. But instead we're sitting here, my producers getting
tenser and tenser as time goes by. We one hundred
and one hundred and eleven minutes into extra time, England

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up to one. Ah, how do you see this finishing?

Speaker 11 (01:43:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 28 (01:43:06):
I've got no clue. I don't know how it's going
to finish. I mean, I think you know England are ahead,
so clearly they have the advantage. But yeah, look, time
tends to slow down when you're ahead, but then I'm
sure it speeds up for Norway. I'm sure they're wanting
that time to tick by a lot slower.

Speaker 11 (01:43:22):
Look, I don't know. I mean, Norway looked good in
this game.

Speaker 28 (01:43:26):
I've for large periods I've been sort of keeping eyes
on this morning as I've been getting ready for my show,
and yeah, look, they've they've got they've got the ability,
through Earling Harlan to find another equalizer. So I wouldn't
I like to say one while or the other. By
the time I go on here about midday, we should know.
I guess that's I guess that's the best I can do.

Speaker 2 (01:43:44):
I mean, it's going to be a pretty impressive end
because we've got France versus Spain already. Are we going
to have England potentially versus Argentina or maybe Switzerland. We're
not sure how that's going to pan out. If we
do end up with France, Spain, England Argentina, we do
end up with sort of four out of probably five
of the best teams. The only person missing from my

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prediction is Brazil's. I had Argentina as my fifth. So
but I'm still putting money on France to take this out.
What about you?

Speaker 11 (01:44:12):
Yeah? I do too.

Speaker 28 (01:44:13):
I think well, I think the winner of France Spain
will be favorite for the final, regardless of who it's against.
You know, if England come through here, if Argentina come through. Yeah,
if we have England, Argentina and France Spain, we've got
heavyweight semi finals, haven't we the top sides. The cream
does tend to rise to the top and in tournament situation,
so it wouldn't, you know, But there's always then you
always get somebody who comes through you don't expect. Well,

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how did they get in the semi finals. I don't
think we're going to have that this time. I don't
think Switzerland and Argentina Norway. I mean, like I say,
we'll just keep a watching brief on this one. But
it's been a good tournament. Looking forward to the way
it all all ends up over the next week or so.

Speaker 2 (01:44:46):
Okay, your thoughts from last night? All Blacks Italy in
Wellington wasn't quite as exciting as the previous weekend found
a little bit flat for me. I don't know whether
it was because it was a bit of a lack
of Jeopardy. Well, maybe we're just kind of getting into
the work now, I'm not sure.

Speaker 11 (01:45:04):
Clunky first uff, very clunky fist.

Speaker 28 (01:45:06):
It just felt as though the All Blacks just couldn't
get into their work in the first half or whatever reason.
I thought Itally, we're very good after the break. The
twenty minutes after halftime excellent. So whatever was said at
half time was well and truly the right thing to say.
Will Jordan, What more can you say about that man?
Fifty test tries. It's an incredible rate of scoring. He

(01:45:26):
has fifty six test matches. Fifty tries. You wonder how
many he'll get. He's on the show incidentally, after midday,
and to join us after midday to kick us off
on weekends.

Speaker 11 (01:45:35):
Sport lots of time for calls as well. People might
have a.

Speaker 28 (01:45:37):
Similar view to you, or a different view, or I'm
sure they'll have all sorts of things to say they
normally do about the All black es.

Speaker 2 (01:45:43):
Yeah, I'm wondering if you're going to talk about the
TOMO because this morning Elliott just said to me, got
to go. It's just got to go and set up
with it in all sports.

Speaker 7 (01:45:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 28 (01:45:50):
The officiating last oh my goodness. I was in the
commentary with Elliott and yeah, I could sense his growing frustration.
And we've chatted afterwards as well, and it's like, man,
what are we doing? But look, I prefer not to
talk about the officials. I would rather, especially this week
fair talk about the rugby. So well, look let's see
how we go. We always let our listeners drive the
conversation so let's see where they take it.

Speaker 3 (01:46:10):
Love it.

Speaker 2 (01:46:10):
Thank you so much, Piney, have a good show. Jason
Pine will be back at midday.

Speaker 1 (01:46:14):
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Speaker 2 (01:46:26):
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Speaker 20 (01:46:29):
Good morning, Good morning.

Speaker 2 (01:46:31):
I love the way you've brought this up, this topic.
Cup on a long weekend with there's lots of people
probably away in rented accommodation hotels, motels, giving us all
something to think about airbnbs.

Speaker 29 (01:46:42):
Yes, I know this is it's a key so I'm
talking about icky things that you might find in hotel rooms.

Speaker 20 (01:46:49):
I wrote it as a bit of fun, but honestly
I do.

Speaker 29 (01:46:51):
I'm a bit of a germophobe, I've realized, and I
pretty much do all of these things when I get
into my hotel room.

Speaker 2 (01:46:57):
Okay, talking, do you want to go?

Speaker 6 (01:46:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:46:58):
You want to go?

Speaker 12 (01:46:59):
There?

Speaker 6 (01:46:59):
The last so.

Speaker 29 (01:47:02):
Well, Actually, one time, many years ago, I actually brought
myself one of those blue light torches because I thought, oh,
that'll make.

Speaker 20 (01:47:07):
A hilarious blog post. I'll shine it around and see
what's going on in the hotel room. And then I realized, oh, my.

Speaker 29 (01:47:13):
Gosh, I don't want to know, because you've got to
use it at nighttime and at that point I'll be
in my jarmi's and.

Speaker 6 (01:47:18):
I don't want to know.

Speaker 20 (01:47:19):
So I've actually never put the batteries in.

Speaker 2 (01:47:20):
So you use it at all? No, No, give it
to me, I'll use it. I'll give it a trifle.

Speaker 22 (01:47:25):
Oh will you.

Speaker 20 (01:47:27):
Terrifying? Okay.

Speaker 29 (01:47:28):
So one of the things you've got to make sure
of is the remote controls are probably one of the
germiest things you'll find in a hotel room. They seldom
get wiped, and people have been eating their chips and
their ketch up fingers, and it's just a little bacterial
breeding ground, those remotes. Some people even put them in
a shower cap and use them to turn the teley channels.

Speaker 20 (01:47:48):
Toothbrush. I always do this.

Speaker 29 (01:47:50):
I put my toothbrush in the bathroom in the cup
that's provided until a friend told me recently that her
son makes sure he zips his away in the toilet
bag because he reckons the housekeeping.

Speaker 20 (01:48:01):
Probably use the toothbrush, especially.

Speaker 29 (01:48:03):
If you have left a tidy room towards on the
basin so that I can't unsee that now, so I'll
be zipping my toilet, my toothbrush away.

Speaker 20 (01:48:13):
Ice buckets they're the first thing.

Speaker 29 (01:48:14):
Make sure you've got a plastic liner in your ice
bucket because if someone's feeling unwell, what are they gonna grew?

Speaker 3 (01:48:21):
I know?

Speaker 2 (01:48:23):
Okay, what about beds and linen?

Speaker 29 (01:48:25):
So yeah, so I love one of those double sheeted
beds because you know that the dove cover double sheeted
that is getting washed between guests every time. But if
it's got to throw rug or a bed spread or
decorative pillows, I have them onto the floor because you
know that they don't get washed I mean never probably
or maybe six monthsly.

Speaker 20 (01:48:45):
And you know, if it's a bedspread or one of those.

Speaker 29 (01:48:47):
Little foot rugs, people have sat on them with the
bear bottoms, I just know it. Drinking glasses and coffee cups,
make sure you wash those out first because they're likely
just to have got a quick wipe around between the
last guest and you, and just a practical one. If
there's an iron ironing board, check the iron. It's likely

(01:49:09):
headwater sitting in it for months. And you know sometimes
when you use an iron, and that moldy water can
come out, could stain your clothes.

Speaker 20 (01:49:15):
That's just an obvious one. But that's that's just to
lift the tone a little bit when I.

Speaker 2 (01:49:19):
Probably wouldn't think of that. I probably wouldn't think of that.

Speaker 20 (01:49:23):
Oh, a nice thing to do for housekeeping.

Speaker 29 (01:49:26):
Obviously, leaving a tip would be lovely, even a dollar
a day, a little note to say thanks so much
for tidy my room.

Speaker 20 (01:49:32):
They genuinely love that.

Speaker 29 (01:49:34):
When you leave stripping the bed they find that would
be super helpful because sometimes I think, oh, they've got
about fifteen minutes to turn a room around. What can
I do to help strip the beds off and put
your tails in the bathtub?

Speaker 20 (01:49:46):
They love it.

Speaker 11 (01:49:47):
I love it.

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Speaker 3 (01:50:47):
This Sunday session.

Speaker 2 (01:50:50):
Right it's all over. England has won to one. They
will be going forward into the semifinals and we're now
just watching the Norwegians have a shed a little tea.

Speaker 3 (01:51:01):
Books with Winkles for the best election of grape reeds.

Speaker 2 (01:51:06):
Time to talk books and I'm joined by Joan mackenzie
headbook by at Wickles. Good morning, Good morning, You've got
a book for us by Anne Cleary. To start off,
I Do I Do?

Speaker 30 (01:51:15):
This book last year won the annual Allen and Unwin
New Zealand Fiction Prize so at one in twenty twenty five,
and now it's published in twenty twenty six, and I
can see why it won because it's the story of
people who could be you or me. Actually, it's got
a real New Zealand sensibility to it, with characters who
I found entirely believable, and it's the sad story about

(01:51:37):
one day a dad takes his three year old son, Oliver,
who everybody affectionately refers to as Appleman, to the beach
and while he's unloading fishing gear to a site which
is a bit of a distance away, he comes back
to the car to find that the child has disappeared,
at which point, of course, the police are eventually notified,
and then the poor guy has to tell the kid's

(01:51:58):
mother that he's gone, which isn't a kaula any of
us would want to make. And while the search intensifies,
we see that little apple Man and has been packed
up by a woman known Tessa, and she's very judgmental.
She feels that clearly this was irresponsible parenting and it's
given her this golden opportunity to have a child because
she's suffered miscarriages and stillbirths, and she's always wanted a

(01:52:20):
child of her own, and she's all set to pour
all of her love into this little boy. But you know,
three year olds, as you might remember, they have their
own ideas about things, and he quite reasonably wants mum
and dad, and she finds it managing him isn't quite
the easy thing that she'd anticipated. And meanwhile, of course
Appleman's family are becoming increasingly desperate, dreading the worst. There's

(01:52:41):
talivised appeals to try and get him back, and his
very very young parents are just trying to get through it.
I'm not going to ruin it for anybody who would
like to read this book, which I do highly recommend,
but I will just say again it felt entirely believable
to me because these are people caught up in the
most awful of circumstances, and it could have been you
or me. You know, we all make errors of judgment.

Speaker 2 (01:53:03):
I don't know why, but I want to compare it
to a Beautiful Family by Jennifer Trevallion. He's just in
the sense of creating that very relatable time and place
almost Yes, you're absolutely right, yeah, okay, which also from
a memory won the same prize. Ah, Yes, of course, yes,
there we go tell me about it could have been
Her by Lisa Jewel.

Speaker 30 (01:53:23):
Well, she is a master of suspense. I think this
is her twenty seventh novel, I think, and it's a
really dark, twisty one told across several timelines, which I
sometimes find quite irritating, but she pulls it all together
really well, and by the end it all makes perfect sense.
It's the story of Jane, who's a woman who's been
married and divorced twice and she's living quietly on her

(01:53:45):
own in the countryside, and one day she comes across
a dog which appears to be lost, and with the
help of the local vet, they can scan a chip
in the dog. She figures out that it's a long
way from its home, which is on Hampstead Heath in London,
and apparently has been staying nearby with a young girl
who's now gone missing. And Jane fancies herself as a
bit of an amitys line, and so she goes off

(01:54:08):
to visit that address in London and then gets this
terrible realization standing out in front of it, that it's
exactly the same house to which she went twenty five
years ago in this really scary episode when she met
a bloke at the pub who invited her home, and
when they got there and he was busy trying to
offer her a drink, she realized something was terribly wrong

(01:54:28):
and she managed to get out. And now of course
she's back looking at this place, trying to track a
missing girl, and she starts to uncover the secrets of
that house, which has quite a lot of them. There's
a relatively small cast of characters, including the inhabitants of
that house and their stories, and it really is very suspenseful.

(01:54:49):
You know that something dark and scary has been going on,
and she starts pulling it all into the light. And
of course the title comes from her own experience all
those years ago. It could have been her, Okay, right, So.

Speaker 2 (01:55:02):
The two Box that Joan spoke about today with the
Nowhere Boy by Anne Clary and it could have been
her by Lisa Jewell. But on a slightly lighter note,
the kids voting for the Kid's Top fifty is open.

Speaker 20 (01:55:13):
Yes, the CODs top fifty. Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:55:15):
So this holiday you can either pop into Wickles or
go online to Wickles dot Co dot MZ and please
curt in the family, can't they.

Speaker 30 (01:55:23):
Yeah, please get your little younger people to tell us
what their three favorite books are and we'll put them
all into the mix, and then in September we'll announce
what the new Wit calls Kid's Top fifty quite for
twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:55:34):
Quite hard just picking three. It can be challenging. Yeah,
there we go. Something to do these school holidays.

Speaker 1 (01:55:39):
Thanks so much, Joan The Sunday Session Full Show podcast
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Speaker 2 (01:55:48):
Joseph Pine is coming up next with Weekends Sport. I
know he's going to be really keen to hear your
thoughts on the All Blacks last night and what you
thought of their performance. He's also got Will Jordan on
the show, which will be wonderful to hear from him,
because of course that was quite a highlight from last
night's game. Isn't it quite an accomplishment to be the
top All Black true score? And as we've been saying,

(01:56:09):
only twenty eight, Brickley's got a few more years in them,
more few more dries, don't you think so. Jason Pine
is up with you at midday. I thank you very
much to Carrie for producing the show. Thanks so much
for the communications throughout the morning. Lovely to hear from you.
Enjoy the rest of your Sunday. Take care. I'll see
you next week.

Speaker 7 (01:56:29):
You'll Tunday it's gonna be the day, but they'll never
throw it back to you.

Speaker 3 (01:56:47):
Bye.

Speaker 7 (01:56:47):
Now, you shut up, somehowy your life watching that to do,
I don't believe.

Speaker 1 (01:56:56):
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