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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
It's Sunday. You know what that means.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkins and Wiggles for
the best selection of great Reedscuse Talks ed B.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Good morning, Welcome to the Sunday Session. I'm Francesca Rudkin.
Coming up on the show today we get Elliot Smith's
thoughts on the All Blacks Island game. Not bad from
the All Blacks. We've also got England and France currently
playing for third place and it only took three minutes
for England to score. Dickon Rice managed to score there.
He is in as captain for Harry Kane, so I

(00:49):
will keep you up the date as to how that
game unfolds throughout the morning. As well to tend the
author of the memoir h Is for Hawk, Helen McDonald,
joins us to talk about the book being turned into
a film and what it's like to watch Clairefoy play you.
Helen's book tells the story of how she overcame the
grief of losing her father by training a very feisty
goshawk to hunt alongside her. It is a remarkable, beautiful story.

(01:11):
Helen McDonald is with us after ten and if like me,
you get through winter by following sport, you know the
people will carp or Tour de France or a bit
of rugby. And the great news is that at the
end of this week the twenty twenty six Glasgow CommonWell
Games begin. Now the games are a little different this year,
so after eleven the New Zealand team Chef de Mission
Nigel Avery joins me to talk about what we can

(01:31):
expect from the games and tell us a little about
the Kiwi team of one hundred and sixteen athletes who
will compete. Of course, you're most welcome to text me
any time throughout the morning. Ninety two ninety two the
Sunday session with Paul Henry standing for Act One. Thing
is guaranteed people will pay attention, love him or loathe him.
Henry knows how to command an audience, and in modern

(01:53):
politics that's no small advantage. New Zealanders like to think
we vote on policy, and we should, but personality has
always mattered. John Key's easy going style, Jacinda ar Dune's empathy,
and once in Peter's theater are contrasting examples of how
politicians communicate being just as important as what they say.
I was fortunate enough to sit on TVNZ's Breakfast TV

(02:16):
Couch with Paul Henry a couple of times a week
for a few years and saw his strengths up close.
He is articulate, quick thinking, intelligent, confident, fun and fearless
in front of a microphone, and those are valuable political skills.
And as we've seen in the short space of time
since he announced his intention to stand as a list
candidate for ACT, Henry attracts the kind of media coverage

(02:37):
ACT can't buy. It brings fresh attention to the party
and will probably reach voters who wouldn't normally tune into politics.
If he made it into cabinet, his communication skills could
make him a persuasive minister, but there's a risk. This
is the man who told me I was the size
of a whale live on television when I was pregnant twice.

(02:57):
To be fair, I was. But big personalities can suck
the oxygen out of a campaign, and David Seymour has
spent years carefully building ACT into a significant political force
based on consistent messaging and disciplined policy. If every interview
becomes about poor Henry rather than the Act party, it
risks becoming a personality show instead of a political movement,

(03:19):
and that's a difficult balance for any leader to manage.
Henry will also be a tough character to rain in.
It's a little like dealing with an adolescent. Seawall will
need to set some strong boundaries. But if he manages this,
then Henry will probably help Act more than he will
hurt it. If Henry accepts that Seymour is the leader
and not the supporting act, the two could successfully compliment
each other, Seamhall providing the policy depth, Henry bringing the attention.

(03:43):
And as for Labour National and all the other parties,
they'd be wise not to focus on Paul Henry. Taking
personal shots only feeds the publicity machine and they're unlikely
to come out on top. Henry has spent decades handling
criticism and often thrives on confrontation. If they do need
to respond to the Henry machine, the smarter move will
be the challenges policies questioners experience and let voters decide

(04:04):
whether media success will automatically translates into political ability. Ultimately,
celebrity may get you elected, but it won't keep you there.
New Zealanders enjoy a colorful character, but we also expect substance.
Paul Henry will one hundred percent make this general election
campaign more entertaining. Whether he can convert attention into effective
public service is still up in the air.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
The Sunday Session.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
Most welcome to text your thoughts on ninety two ninety
two and New Zealand First has also been announcing new candidates,
many of them former politicians from other parties. They're out
there collecting them except for Tane Randall, who is standing
and they took a took electric in Hawk's Bay and
he is going to join me next. It is eleven
past nine. You're with newstalksb.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
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Speaker 3 (04:59):
New Zealand First is set to officially launch its selection
campaign today at the party's annual convention. They're in a
good position as they move into election mode, bored by
good polling. The first day of the convention yesterday had
a record number of delegates attend and they have a
number of new high profile candidates joining the party. One
of those new candidates is former All Black Captain Tane Rendall.

(05:20):
And here's with me now from the convention.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
Good morning, Tame, Good morning to Estat.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
So the election campaign been launched today. How are you
feeling about the four months ahead of you?

Speaker 5 (05:31):
Well?

Speaker 6 (05:32):
Jaded now, I can imagine a four months will be
going to be harrendous, but looking forward to it interesting
exciting times and we're all pretty motivated as everyone is. Yes,
well it's going to be a long time, but I
think it's going to go on a flash.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
So you announced that you were running back in April.
Have the last few months been quite full on then
that you're already jaded.

Speaker 6 (05:57):
Now? I think me starting from a very low base
in terms of my political you know, just the elementary,
the basic parts of how to run left campaigns. A
lot of that strategic, the strategic stuff, policy stuff has
been a big part of what I've been sort of
upskilling with and that has been you know, that's it
wouldn't say exhausting, but it's been you know, it's been challenging,

(06:20):
and it's been good. Now, you know, we're almost well
four months there, almost three months out. That's where the
sort of the dawknocking, more of the meetings and that
sort of stuff are going to happen. Yeah, just the
next stage of it.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
Are you enjoying us.

Speaker 6 (06:37):
Uh bits of it?

Speaker 3 (06:39):
Which beds no?

Speaker 6 (06:43):
Then I was worn previously that there's a lot of work,
a lot of stress, a lot of time and that
sort of stuff. I was ready for it, but a
little bit of shock. You know, there are some late
nights and yeah, there's there is a lot more work
than I thought in some aspects. So the mental basin,
I say, from a low base, just the absolute basics,

(07:03):
which you've been around politics for a long while, which
you take for granted has been a bit of a
has been a bit of a headspin for me. But
that that's that's all good. So pretty pretty happy with
all that now. And as I say, it's just clear
with the missing obviously very clear with why I'm doing
what I'm doing, and they've just got to get out and.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
Do it brilliant.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
So why are you doing what you're doing?

Speaker 7 (07:23):
Well?

Speaker 6 (07:23):
Yeah, the main part the prospects, the prospects of our
comp We're a prosperous country, no doubt about the healthy
and wealth we're We're one of the most prosperous countries
in the world. But we have been the most prosperous
country in the world. And for me personally, it's been

(07:44):
I've been lucky. I've had great grandparents, been parents and
there I've been blessed in the life I've had. But
the prospects for our kids, the legacy that we live
them is not the same that we inherited. You know,
I've got to I've got a kid whose first job
out of university and he's he's been talking me through
his career path that love. His employer has been telling

(08:04):
him he's got a good job at Auckland, and they say, well,
by the time that I'm thirty five, as things go
really well in this job, he still will not be
able to afford a house. That's not the prospects which
you know, I want for my kids and for my
I want my grandkids to live in New Zealand. I
want them to live close to where I live. I
don't want to go and visit them on zoom or

(08:24):
jump into fane go and see them overseas because realistically,
for a prosperous life for our kids and grandkids. It's
not the same as what we enjoyed. So that's the
reason I'm doing it. I want to make sure that
we get this country really a bit of funk at
the moment. I want to try and help do my best,
ensure that we make the right big decisions to get

(08:48):
you to do the best weekend, give yourselves the best
chance it become as prosperous as we can.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
Certain what did What do you think that you bring
to New Zealand first and the electorate that you're running for.

Speaker 6 (08:59):
So everyone knows that I have played freakbe it seems,
but that was twenty odd years ago. Had a reasonably
good commercial careers, you know it was in financial markets
in London, had a carbon business in New Zealand, and
been having involved in our family business and food processing
in Hawk's Bay. You know, we're processing baby food, pet

(09:20):
food and all of what is freeze dry. So from
that perspective, having a real world experience and bringing that
to Parliament something I believe I can bring. You know,
there's nothing. I think there's nothing better when you've got
to make decisions and having been through the process of
owning a business, small medium business, you know, waking up

(09:41):
at two o'clock in the morning, it was not a
good feeling at the time when you want, how are
we going to pay the bills? How are we going
to pay the wages? And just you have to find
a solution. And I think in parliament sometimes we you know,
we offload that, just offload that responsibility of making decisions
to other people. Well, actually we elect, we elect politicians

(10:03):
to make decisions on our behalf. Think we're a little
bit of leadership and obviously adventually and all that sort
of stuff in the sport, but combining that with a
commercial business career, that's what I believe the attributes to bring.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
What is it that aligned you to New Zealand first
of other parties?

Speaker 6 (10:24):
I think when I think of New Zealand, first, you know,
we've got energy issues in New Zealand. We've got electricity,
we've got banking and that sort of stuff. We seem
to just you know, we'll let the commisis commission handle,
We'll let the electricity authority handler. Actually they do nothing.
The biggest challenge I believe we've got in New zeal
essentially energy, electricity and supermarkets and we're not gonna we're

(10:48):
not going to be able to improve those by offloading
the decision to some commission to try and try and improve.
We have to make decisions. So when it comes to
New Zealand First, I love the bravery about the fact
that they're offering real world solutions to these problems. And hey,
look sure people don't you know, well may not agree
with some of those. So as buy a bank, split

(11:09):
the split the gent tailors, or split the supermarke, people
may not agree. We talk about that. But the thing is,
but for New Zealand First, I've not heard a solution
to those set to problems from any other party except
for tinkering around the edges.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Do you think that that's what's attracting other people to
the party as well. We've seen various other well known
people join New Zealand First. Michael Laws, Steuart Nash have
also joined. We've got some high profile form politicians as delegates.
Is that what you think? Is that why New Zealand
First is intractive option to these politicians?

Speaker 8 (11:44):
Do you think?

Speaker 3 (11:44):
What do you put it down to it?

Speaker 6 (11:46):
I think what's happened we're seeing labor move well left.
You know, a former party for the work as well.
If you're a spark, you're a chippy living in Hawk's Bay.
The Labor Party doesn't really represent that now. And in
the same way with Nashville, they've moved a wee bit

(12:07):
as well. There used to be a real party you know,
support small business, small medium business and that sort of stuff.
The gap that they get that they've left, the gap
that they've made by moving is pretty much when New
Zealand First sits, So when you know, we've got a
lot of National supporters and slightly right Labor supporters going, hey,
look the parties which were historically aligned with they've sort

(12:31):
of moved and they're looking for a home and New
Zealand First is at natural home and.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
They're doing so very well, you know, eleven point five
percent in the latest poll. Do you think they're at
all just just that pretty good?

Speaker 8 (12:43):
Though?

Speaker 3 (12:43):
Historic? Hi, what do you think that we're going to
be able to maintain that heading into the election?

Speaker 6 (12:48):
Well, that's obviously the planned and the conference that we've
been at it's been all about discipline and I think
that's that's been the main message. The party's got some
messages about what it is what we're campaigning on, and
we've just got to make sure we're very disciplined and
maintaining that line, because that's the reason people are coming

(13:11):
to the party. They like our village, they like our messaging,
and we've just got to make sure we keep that. Obviously,
the closer we get to the election, parties are going
to be very I think the party policies are going
to be quite distinct from each other, and as a result,
people probably a month two months out when they really

(13:31):
turn their minds to what the next three years is
going to be like, we'll be able to make a
pretty good decision at that stage. I'm confident that we're
pretty we're pretty motivated with that discipline. Here's what we
stand for. Vote for us and girls.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
And you were you were.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
Told yesterday quite clearly by your leader, weren't you to
stick to the to the party line, And there were
some very strict instructions there about dealing with, you know,
the media and towing the party line and things. I
wonder whether that's because we are seeing quite a few
well known people kind of stepping up to be candidates
and completely different party someone like Paul Henry, but a

(14:08):
bit of a wild guard and I just wonder when
there is like Taane, you might have kept in Newill Blacks,
but at the same time you need to just towe.
My line was that the message that you felt like
you were getting.

Speaker 6 (14:17):
Used today, but that is the message that is that
is exactly the message New Zealand First has done. Well
if every party's done what they've done, and they've done
that by you know, here's what here are the values
that we stand for. I think it's completely if you
if you want to go and push some other wheelbarrow,
go and join another we've got to go and start
another party. That's just basics. We're all part of a

(14:39):
team with Team New Zealand First, and you know, those
are the values you sign up for, those are the
values you're back. So I think with Paul Henry, iidak's great,
as I thought, just just gives a sense of where
we're at people coming in from outside politics, because we're
not happy with not just a status quo, but actually

(15:03):
the direction of where we think we go. And I
I think that's fantastical. We're in competition and all the
rest of it. But the more people the mirror, the
wider the diverse views we get, so we can all
at least discuss those views and debate them and that
sort of stuff. The better because, as I say, the

(15:23):
reason I'm standing for New Zealand first, it would be
very typical to others. We're not happy with the trajector
of what we're doing. And that's that's good. That's it's
good for our political system.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
Did you get a chance to watch the rugby last night?

Speaker 6 (15:38):
I can't say, because I don't know how that would
go down.

Speaker 4 (15:42):
It was a great dame.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
Oh were you supposed to be doing something else and
you just happened to stumble into a room where the
rugby was on or something?

Speaker 6 (15:49):
I just actually just happened to stumble into a park
where the rugby is being played. No, it was, but yeah,
I that's just one good thing about rugby. It is
a great unifying force for New Zealand. And you know,
we had people at the conference and that's one good
thing about the sport and what everyone was pretty pumped up. Yes,

(16:13):
bishly the fact we won make I'm giving a speech
later today, It makes them speech a lot easier.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
Oh, Tame, look appreciate you, appreciate your time this morning.
Thank you so much, and I'm glad you enjoyed the
All Blacks game.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
There this Sunday session.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
You can text me this morning ninety two ninety two.
It looks like England would quite like to get this
game for third place over and done with as fast
as possible. Down narrow up to nil over France. Are
they were going but a beg win for the All
Blacks last night?

Speaker 9 (16:44):
Referee locks in the big screen and says that's will do.
It's fifty three straight for the All Blacks at Aden Park,
forty twenty one for the All Blacks.

Speaker 8 (16:57):
It's who good for the Irish.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
So that ends phase one of the new Nation's Championship format,
do is it? B Rugby editor and lead commentator Elliot
Smith joining.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
Me now, Good morning morning Francisco.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
It's just another step up from the All Blacks last night.
We're just sort of say we see the kind of
game that Dave Rennie wants his team to play.

Speaker 9 (17:14):
I think absolutely, and I think if you look at
the three weeks in totality, I think the All Blacks
will be pretty happy. And that was the icing on
the k last night. A good Irish team that has
caused the All Blacks some issues in recent years, maybe
not where they were three four years ago now, but
still a very very good team and ranked third in
the world, and the All Blacks you know, shut it

(17:36):
off really as a contest by halftime. I know the
Irish came back into it a little bit in the
second half and and got to within fourteen, but by
and large it was a case of job done for
the All Blacks, you know, after forty minutes. And I
think that's a sign of where the All Blacks are
at that they've added elements to their game each week
over the last couple of weeks France first and then Italy,

(17:57):
which on surface was probably a step backwards, but they
took a giant leap forward, I thought last night against
Ireland and really laid down the blueprint for where this
All Blacks team wants to be and the kind of
rugby that it wants to play.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
You've just been to a media session this morning. What's
the reaction and the feeling like in the team after that?

Speaker 4 (18:13):
When last night look very happy Ireland.

Speaker 9 (18:17):
The attack coach Mike Bleer was up and very pleased
with the way that they played against Ireland, the way
that the attacking system that he is implementing is coming together,
and that we spoke to him two weeks ago that
the morning after the French game in christ Church, and
there were elements there. Obviously they won, but they didn't
perhaps get the right balance around, you know, utilizing outside

(18:39):
space and maybe through a few passes that it didn't
need to. But by this point, you know, I think
they're very happy with the way that the attacking system
has bedded in. We're seeing the All Blacks use their
skills a little bit more. They're not being dragged into
those sort of nauseating kick tennis battles that they got
sucked into time and again last year and the year
before and even prior to that, where oppositions would lay

(19:02):
down the gornlet for the All Blacks and the All
Blacks would fall into the trap. We're seeing the All
Blacks actually play some rugby and play the way that
they want to. They can absolutely be bester. I think
they should have won by more last night, such was
their dominance for periods of that game. But I think
overall it's a big step forward for the All Blacks
as they look to the next horizon.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
Yes, and they're off on the greatest rivalry Tour. Are
they ready for South Africa?

Speaker 9 (19:25):
Look so that Africa are very very good, but they're
going to get a few games to bet in a
few more combinations once they get their three tour games
before that first Test against the South Africans at Alice
Park which is an absolute cauldron on the high Velt
and everything that comes with that. So they'll get a
couple more games under their belt, so a little bit
more work to do, a little bit more finessing some

(19:48):
of that work on the attack and on the defense
and getting those combinations right. So those games will be
really important, I think. I think it's important not to
understand how vital those games against the Stormers and the
Bulls and the Sharks before that first Test will be. Obviously,
the Test team won't play all of those games, but
I think the will get plenty out of having another
match or two together as the top side before they

(20:11):
do face the South Africans, who you know, I have
got the most incredible depth. At the moment they beat
Wales this morning forty three nil. They change things up.
It doesn't seem to matter who they put out in
the park. They are an imperious form, so it's a
big challenge for the All Blacks. But where they're at
after these three weeks so I think they've got to
be pretty happy with the kind of rugby that they've implemented.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
And Elliott just very quickly Reuben Love, do we have
an update on that knee?

Speaker 9 (20:37):
Nothing official, but I think the signs are relatively positive.
Don't want to speak to early, but look he played
on and they're hoping that that's a positive sign for
the All Blacks with that big tour coming up.

Speaker 4 (20:48):
Good to hear.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
Thank you so much, Elliott, appreciate your thoughts this morning.
It is nine thirty with News Talks at B.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on Newstalks at B.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
Thank you for your text. David thinks that Tyane Rand's
got the wrong part. He texts to say, Tane Randall
seems a great candidate, but he's chosen the wrong party.
He should be a national act. Another one hear, says
News on first and act of just collecting candidates that
can't make it in their own parties. He can text
on ninety two ninety two joining me now to talk
local politics. A z'by. Senior political correspondent Barry Sober joins me.

(21:26):
Good morning, Good.

Speaker 8 (21:27):
Morning, Francesca.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
I was talking about Paul Henry at the top of
the hour. I was saying, he will one hundred percent
make this campaign a lot more entertaining. He will bring
a huge amount of attention to act. But can he
convert that attention into effective public service?

Speaker 8 (21:42):
Well that's the big question, isn't it. And I was
at the Rugby last night. David Seymour was there as well,
and all the talk is Paul Henry and what to
make of them and will he settle in to parliamentary life,
which he inevitably will get to because he'll get a

(22:02):
place on the list that'll ensure who's becoming an m
But you know, I've known Paul Henry and worked with
him for over forty years and to me, he doesn't
seem to be the type of person that would last
a long distance in parliament itself, because it's a fairly

(22:25):
there's a lot of drudgery. There's a lot of late
night debates that you're expected to be at, and even
if you are a minister, there's a hell of a
lot of work to do and I'm not quite sure
whether Paul Henry's cloth is cut that way, but I
guess we'll have to wait and see. But he will,
as you say, Francesca, he'll add a lot to the campaign.

(22:48):
There will be a lot of fun and certainly there
will be a lot of laughs, but they don't necessarily
translate into a good MP.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
So Wiley was sweing around the rugby last night with
David seymour Berry. Did you talk to him? Did you
talk to him about him questioning whether the government that
needs to own these coock straight fairies.

Speaker 8 (23:11):
Funily enough, we didn't talk fairies. Well, look, I guess
you've got to look at ACT and see the birth
of that party was, of course Roger Douglas, and he
probably wouldn't have a bar of the fairies if he

(23:31):
was still around now. But Winston sees it another way,
and I think it's just another political difference that you
find between these two parties New Zealand first on the
one hand being a nationalist party and the ACT Party
being sent right and doesn't see state ownership of assets
like fairies are in the best interests of the country.

(23:54):
But it does make you wonder, doesn't it if we
did sell off the Fairies to a private enterprise, then
you know you would see the cost I would imagine
of transport rise and with that would come the rise
and the cost of goods across the shop counter. So

(24:15):
there's arguments both ways. But look, Winston proudly presented the
one point seven billion dollar ferry project last week and
gave us a timeline for it, and of course Act
has to have a point of difference, and I think
it's as much about that as it is about the
ownership of the Fairies.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
And look, the New Zealand First Conference is taking place
this weekend. Winston has fired shots of pretty much everybody
in the last day or so. I mean, I suppose
that this is what we can expect from him for
the next four months.

Speaker 4 (24:44):
Absolutely.

Speaker 8 (24:46):
You imagine if you were in government and you know
you're trying to present a united face going into the
election with Winston snapping away at your heels at every opportunity.
And that's what he does. I mean, he's running true
to form. And if you look at the opinion polls,
are the public quite like it. They like the cut
of Winstance cloth and it's normally a very nice pin

(25:09):
striped suit and no doubt he'll be wearing it at
the conference this weekend. But the New Zealand first party
is Winston Peters, even though people are climbing on board now.
But you know he is eighty one, so this may
be his last rodeo, but I doubt it. As long
as he's fit and capable, you'll see Winston around for

(25:32):
some time yet.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
Very Soper, thank you so much for your time this morning,
lovely to catch up with you. I enjoy the rest
of your Sunday.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
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Speaker 3 (25:45):
AB Right, I don't think France really wants to be
playing this game of wil Cup Rugby. England is now
up football sorry football three Nils so Suka has just
scored again, so that is an update there. I thought
Franz was going to win this whole tourment. I had them,
I had them at the top of my list. I

(26:05):
thought they'd be in the final. I thought this would
be the final. Actually I thought France England would be
the final and it's not. The English had turned up
even though all their best players are on the bench
at the moment they have turned up to play, so
they are up Strangil in the football. Tomorrow night, New
Zealand time former Manchester mayor Andy Burnham will officially take
over the reins as the UK Prime Minister. It will

(26:25):
make him the seventh leader of Britain in just ten years.
UK correspondent Ender Brady has been following Burnham's rise and
joins me now, good morning.

Speaker 10 (26:33):
Ender Francesca, thanks for having me.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
Just over four weeks ago, Andy Burnham won a by election.
On July the seventeenth, he was elected as the new
Labour Party leader, and on Monday he walks into ten
Downing Street as Prime Minister. How is the British public
feeling about this quick transition.

Speaker 10 (26:51):
I think people are a bit shocked because in all honesty,
they don't really know very much about him, what he
stands for and what he's going to do. But look
at the rules are the rules and Monday morning, by
the time Starmer has been to see the King resigned,
by lunchtime, Andy Burnham will be UK Prime Minister. And

(27:14):
I think people are a little bit kind of wary,
some are excited, some are disappointed. And let's look, let's
just see what he does.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Is he ready?

Speaker 10 (27:26):
So the key message from his speech on Friday, he
said it four times, I am ready. I'm curious. I'm
really excited to see what he does. I've known Andy
Burnham thirty odd years. He's been an MP, he's been
a cabinet minister. He tried to run for leadership at
the Labor Party twice before then he went off with

(27:50):
the Corbin years when Jeremy Corbyn kind of drag Labor
to the left of the left of the left. He
headed off and he became mayor of Manchester for nine years.
He's done really well up there. But there's a huge
difference between running a city and running a country.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
Because I was gonna ask you if we have any
idea about his worldview in the do we know how
he feels about Trump, how he feels about Ukraine and
Russia China?

Speaker 10 (28:17):
Okay, so let's let's dissect this. It's a really good question.
I think he will be pro Ukraine, anti Russia, and
I think he'll avoid Donald Trump like the place to be.

Speaker 4 (28:29):
Frank, it's a plan.

Speaker 10 (28:31):
It's a good yeah. I think it's a really really
good plan because look, there's nothing to be gained from
being friends with this man. Kirse Starmer went with open hands,
an open mind and a very open heart and invited
him back to the UK for an unprecedented second presidential

(28:52):
visit to the royal family. And within days Trump had
turned on Starmer, turned on the UK, absolutely hated ce
cand the mayor of London. So I think Andy Barnham
will just think, you know what, let's just crack on,
let's do her own thing, and Donald Trump can just
keep trumping.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
So when it comes to his domestic plan, he's promised
the most significant change moment in forty years. Do you
have a sense of how he's going to go about
this yet?

Speaker 10 (29:20):
So I think the plan is to nationalize everything from
energy to trains to water and just kind of take
state control of Britain. And look, it's a very very
strange time he comes in. Everyone's skint. There doesn't seem
to be any cash in the coffers. The UK government

(29:42):
is hemorrhaging money left right and center in terms of
paying down interest, paying down debt. You know these asylum
seeker hotels costing upwards of sixteen million dollars a day.
I think he needs to come in be radical, be different,
be difficult, and just put himself out there and spell
it out to the UK public that you know, change

(30:04):
is needed.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
And he is it.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
The immediate focus is of course on naming key members
of his cabinet, and he's set out a distinctly left
wing vision for Britain. But will this be reflected in
his cabinet or will he be trying to keep the
party hippy?

Speaker 10 (30:20):
Well, look, you say left wing, I think he's quite
a centrist. I've known Andy a long time. This is
a very measured guy. He's a good speaker, excellent communicator,
walks into a room, he can talk to people. You
walk into a room with Keir Starmer. Kir is in
the corner drinking coffee and reading and just doesn't really

(30:44):
grasp the public opinion. I think Andy Burnham is going
to be a breath of fresh air. I'm excited to
see what he does. But I think in terms of change,
I think he is here for at least three years,
and he is going to go in on day one
with a vision where he leads the Labor Party into

(31:05):
the next election summer twenty nine and they win. It's
all about planning ahead and I don't expect anything radical immediately,
but I think he will just be looking for three
years ahead and that's the plan.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
How much precia is he under Eddie takes over seven
pms and ten years. He has to make this work,
doesn't it He.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Does, He does.

Speaker 10 (31:29):
He's under a lot of pressure, and I think the
main problem is the right wing media. You got a
lot of newspapers here who hate labor, so you've got
conservative supporting newspapers like The Mail, the Express, the Telegraph
and all of the kind of right wing social media
influencers who want him to fail. And the reason they

(31:50):
want him to fail is because they want a general
election before Christmas where we'll put to the test all
the support for the form UK. Nigel Forraj is he
the next prime Minister and waiting after Burnham And I
think I think Burnham just needs to write it out,
just get in, get his feet under the number ten table.

(32:12):
And there's even talk of him moving Number ten Downing
Street to Manchester three days a week.

Speaker 6 (32:18):
So I think it's a.

Speaker 10 (32:18):
Matter of him getting in and just bedding in and
communicating with the British public and letting them know that
you know, I'm here and I'm here for the next
three years.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
It's been reported either here that Andy Burnham has appointed
a KIWI as part of his team, Hayden Monroe, can
you tell us anything about that?

Speaker 10 (32:39):
So look, this guy is a comms professional and a
high performance individual, and yeah, look it doesn't matter about nationalities.
Nobody cares that he's a KEI with. I think what
we want is someone who can come in and communicate
exactly what the leader wants but the government is about,

(33:02):
and get that to the person on the street because
right now everyone thinks of Andy Burnemers always the mayor
of Manchester. Hows he suddenly ended up as prime minister.
And I think what they want from Hayden is commute,
clear clear, crystal clear coms that gets out there to
the people on the street that they know what the
government is about, what Burnham is doing and what he

(33:24):
plans to do.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
Thank you so much, Inda. I know that you're very
keen to go and watch your replay again of Ireland
versus You're Black, So I'll let you go and.

Speaker 4 (33:33):
Jesse, I need to go now.

Speaker 10 (33:34):
Lovely talking to you, have a lovely Sunday, and let's
not talk about rugby.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
It was the pretty much hung up on me when
I mentioned the rugby there. Look, when it comes to
the football though, you're not going to believe us England
is now four. No, it's like so every time I
look up, someone's scoring another goal. So that was sucker again.
He just scored his second goal of the game. He
has been one of the players who's been pretty much

(34:02):
on the bench for most of this tournament, so he's
really making the most of the opportunity to play this game.

Speaker 4 (34:08):
Good on them.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
I'll keep you up to date, but I don't think
we're going to be looking at a people is shooed
out to finish this match. It is eleven to ten.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Feelers focused informed. It's the Mic Hosking breakfast.

Speaker 11 (34:22):
Gareth Kennan is the Infimetrics two forecaster cash right at
two and a half, you see three and a half,
so that's four ish increases.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
That happens what between now in the middle of the year.

Speaker 11 (34:31):
Yeah, and financial markets are reasonably consistent in terms of
that expectation, and then we've got two more penciled in
through twenty twenty seven. Look, I guess for us it's
a case of tapping the brake on the economy a
little bit by the time we get into that two
point seven percent growth, and that's quite a different scenario
than we were looking at before, where we thought, well,
the ICR may need to get to four and a
half just to try and bring the car back under control,
because we've been hit by an old man with a

(34:52):
fake tan and the bazoukaro doesn't really look where it's
going back.

Speaker 12 (34:56):
Tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with Mayby's Real.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
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Speaker 1 (35:02):
It's Sundays the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkert for the
best selection of.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Great readings news talks. It'd be.

Speaker 13 (35:11):
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Speaker 2 (35:30):
By.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
This is New Zealand's most exciting contemporary reggae act Kerala.
It is a new single from them, It's called not I.
But I've just announced actually that they're going to be
appearing at the inaugural eighth Wonder Festival in January in
Rotorua and Brisbane. And I do believe we're going to
get more music from them throughout the year and that
they're going to get set to do a live tour

(35:53):
as well. I mean that this is sort of like
the perfect summer concert, isn't it going to see Kerala?
So I'm sure they'll be doing a lot more touring
as well. I think if your text we talked to
Tane Randell there MMP is hold this country back hamstring
by minority parties scraping to five to six percent, and
those same parties control the outcome of government. Major polling

(36:14):
parties should choose closest like minded partner and government for
political stability. Thank you for your text. It's interesting comments
on Taine, Yeah, I think I would say a mixed response.
You're most welcome to flip metext if you like. Ninety
two ninety two. We've been looking. We've been talking rugby

(36:37):
this morning. We've also been talking football. As you know,
France and England are currently playing for third place right now.
Looks like England's kind of got this game in the bag.
But did you know, and there's been a little bit
of talk around this World Cup about how Americanized it is,
and of course we've got the controversial halftime show happening
tomorrow for the final. But actually Argentina and Spain aren't

(37:01):
just paying for a trophy tomorrow they're playing for rings. Yes,
so for the first ever, FIFA is awarding a ring
to commemorate the championship. So the title winning teams are
going to receive these rings, which you know, it's a
very traditional thing in North American sport, isn't it. So
the players on the World Cup winning team will get
gold medals on the day, the captain and the coach

(37:23):
are going to get these temporary rings, and then eventually
the winning team will get thirty customized rings. So one
side of it it will have sort of something to
do with the World Cup. I'll have the World Cup trophy,
and then the other side there'll be something there to
reflect the identity of the winning team. But get this,
because it's FIFA and they love to make money, they're

(37:44):
making twenty twenty six rings to celebrate the year, right,
and they're going to sell them. They're going to sell them. So, yes,
the team gets thirty and then the rest are all
up for salf They're not telling you how much they're
going to cost, but I'm kind of like, is that
really the point? Do you make the ring and you
hand it out to the winning team and then you go, oh,
by the way, if you want one and you got
the cash. It's all yours, very much, very much like

(38:07):
you'd expect from FIFA.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
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Speaker 3 (38:18):
In twenty fourteen, falconer and author Helen McDonald wrote a
book about overcoming the son loss of her father, respected
photojournalist Alastair McDonald. She did this by training a goshawk
to hunt alongside her in the wild. Instead of it
being a hobby, training Mabel who Goshawk became a little

(38:39):
bit of an obsession and it's one that she chalks
us through in her memoir h Is for Hawk. The
book has been turned into a film Starr and Clairefoy.
Helen joins us next to talk about falconry and having
Claire Foy play her. They're pretty fall on, wouldn't it anyway?
Cole play who will be performing at the fever Walk
Cup halftime show. More on that next hour.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Welcome to the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and Wiggles
for the best selection of great reeds used to talk.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
This is a Saturday Session at is seven past ten.
Lovely to have you with us For seven years, Helen
McDonald put off writing the story of their father's sudden death,
the story of the overwhelming grief and how they found
comfort and healing in the most unusual places by raising
and training a goshawk named Mabel. The memoir finally hit
bookshelves in twenty fourteen. It was a huge success, a

(39:44):
global rest seller and a Literary Award winner. Helen's story
is now about to hit cinemas. It's called h is
for Hawk.

Speaker 7 (39:53):
Are you feeling that you're a failure? Well, that's a
matter of.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Fact, DIBs odd in yourself. He's just working out your
place in a loyal town.

Speaker 14 (40:04):
I always thought Dad taught me to be attached, but
being with Mabel, it's an honest encounter with life, and
now I see how engaged with life to have Bob.

Speaker 15 (40:18):
Life's real, serious and beautiful.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
Helen McDonald, good morning, Thank you so much for your time.

Speaker 7 (40:26):
It's a pleasure to be here.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
So this book all stemmed from losing your father. What
impact did his death have on you? I don't think
we ever know how something's going to affect us. We
know it's going to effect us, but we don't maybe
know to what extent.

Speaker 7 (40:41):
No, I it was my first big loss and it
was a big one.

Speaker 4 (40:46):
You know.

Speaker 7 (40:47):
He was a press photographer. He was a lovely, lovely man,
a very gentleman.

Speaker 12 (40:52):
I'm a very dear friend of mine as well as
being my dad, and we were both total nerds, you know,
we loved nature and aeroplanes and we you know, we
kind of bonded over all these things. And he died
very suddenly, had a massive heart attack while he was
out working taking photographs of you know, London, just after
a big storm. And I think there's something about sudden,
unexpected death that is, you know, it's not better or

(41:15):
worse than losing someone slowly, but it doesn't mean the
world very suddenly tears in half. And I was completely
and utterly everyone in the family who were totally blindsided.

Speaker 7 (41:24):
And yeah, it really messed me up.

Speaker 12 (41:28):
I remember doing an interview about the book in England
where someone said to me on live actually on the radio, but.

Speaker 7 (41:34):
You were thirty seven, you know, why were you so upset?
And there was dead air. I just stared at her, like,
what are you talking about?

Speaker 8 (41:41):
Do you know?

Speaker 12 (41:42):
He was a friend, he was my dad, So for
a while I kind of struggled through, and then this
weird thing happened. I started dreaming about goswelks and I
did something which I don't recommend to any of your listeners.
I decided to train a hawk as a way of
dealing with my grief. So don't do that people, It's
a very bad idea, but I did that.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
Well, get to the goshawks in just a moment. It
took seven years to write the book. Why was that
part of you dealing with your grief?

Speaker 8 (42:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (42:09):
People sometimes asked that was it grief work? And I
always said no.

Speaker 12 (42:13):
I think it took me seven years to write the book.
Not that I was writing it for seven years, but
it took about seven years to get to the point
where I could write it. I needed that distance. I
needed to be able to write about myself back then
as if I was a character. And I think something
happens to everyone who's listening knows this if you've had
a big loss, is that you never get over it.

(42:35):
You just changed into a person that can hold that
grief with inside yourself and you can be.

Speaker 7 (42:40):
A person who could live with it. And I think
I just needed that.

Speaker 12 (42:43):
Time to be able to write about it. Once I
started writing it, it was pretty quick. It took about
a year to write the whole book. And when I
first started it too, I tried to be very British
about it. I kept thinking, no one wants to know
about me, They want to know about.

Speaker 7 (42:56):
This hawk who was incredible.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
But it didn't work, you know.

Speaker 12 (43:00):
I kept trying to write and I would go nowhere,
and then there was this awful day when I realized
I had to be full Californian about it, be really honest,
and then I did.

Speaker 7 (43:09):
So, and then it started to work. So, yeah, there's
a lot of me in this book and what it's
like to lose someone very.

Speaker 6 (43:15):
Dear to you.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
Yeah, what have you learned about grief through this?

Speaker 2 (43:19):
All?

Speaker 3 (43:19):
I do wonder whether we're not actually very good at grief,
especially British people, and those just see of British people,
shall we say? You know, there's a lovely moment where,
you know, Clearfoy in the film, who plays you. You know,
it's having a conversation with her mother and they're both

(43:40):
going no moping, No, of course, no moping, you know,
which is an approach which sometimes doesn't always work.

Speaker 12 (43:48):
No, And that's the approach I think that was why
I went to this hawk. You know, I knew I
couldn't tame grief even then. It was this uncontrollable thing
that kind of worked through you, and you could never
predict what it would do. You'd be fine for one
moment and then you know, thirty seconds later, you'd.

Speaker 7 (44:05):
Be in a wreck on the floor. You know.

Speaker 12 (44:07):
So the hawk was kind of a manifestation of my grief,
I think, and trying to kind of master the grief
by working and getting a partnership with this bird was
a very weird way of sort of dealing with it.
But also, as you recognize from the film, it was
a way of pushing the grief. The real grief for
way and grief is that it's just a strange, strange beast.

Speaker 7 (44:27):
I think.

Speaker 12 (44:31):
Now that you just have to sort of try and
be kind to yourself. One of the things that having
that hawk taught me, because you know, I was buying
her free and she was hunting like a real hawk,
you know, I was watching her fly and hunt for
her food and all that kind of really was a
very deep lesson in how incredibly short our lives are

(44:52):
and how precious things are, Like the difference between life
and death is just you know, the second. And then
touring the book, I kept meeting people who wanted to
talk to me about their own losses and their own griefs.
So that often of a magnitude so much greater than mine,
and that experience, I think, even more than writing the
book or training the hawk, taught me that it's the
loneliest thing imaginable to move someone that you love. But

(45:14):
it is a total human universal We all do it,
and we're all desperate to talk about it, and it's
scary and frightening to talk about it. And I'm glad
that my book started some conversations.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
Between people on it because people feel the pressure to
move on. Yeah, they feel other people are looking at them.
They're or saying, you're you're a grown woman, you're thirty seven,
you should be able to deal with this better, or
whatever it is that this is putting on you.

Speaker 4 (45:39):
And I can.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
I can totally understand why when people would come and go,
I want to talk to I want to talk to Helen.
She understands what I've been through. She's put it out there.
You know, there's almost given permission to be able to
talk about their grief which is ridiculous. Isn't that we should?
We should we should be much more open to allowing
people to grieve in their own ways for as long
as they like.

Speaker 7 (46:00):
Yeah, and gently, you know.

Speaker 12 (46:02):
I do remember before this happened to me, I remember
a few people that I knew who lost people, and
I was kind of scared of them. I didn't really
want to talk to them because I was It's almost like,
grief is contagious, you know, you don't want to get
near people that have it.

Speaker 7 (46:13):
And I've realized now how ridiculous that is. So Yeah,
if someone usual love has lost someone, be there for them.

Speaker 3 (46:18):
Yeah, Helen, what was it like watching Clear Foy play you?

Speaker 7 (46:23):
So there's a really funny story about this. I was
delighted when she took on the role. I was like, oh,
I'm being paid by the Queen, you know.

Speaker 12 (46:31):
And she was in the Crown and I didn't speak
to her until about two weeks before the film began shooting,
and I had this zoom with her and this person
appeared on the screen and I thought to myself, oh
my god, you know it's Clairefoy. And then as we talked,
I had this incredible.

Speaker 7 (46:49):
Situation I'm oh, my god, she's just like me. She's
exactly like me.

Speaker 12 (46:52):
You've got the same mannerism as we even dressed the same,
we've got the same aircut. And then slowly as we talked,
it dawns on me that she was actually just finessing
this extraordinary performance. She just is so much like me,
even down to the fact that I've got one leg
longer than the other, and she even got my wonky walk.

Speaker 7 (47:07):
It's astonishing.

Speaker 12 (47:10):
I went to the set and I saw her walk
around the college cloisters that I used to work around
with my walk, you know, a few you know, it
was a decade a bit earlier, and I felt like
a ghost watching her. I had to put my hands
out and grab hold of the bricks on the cloister's
wall to remind myself I was alive. It's an incredible performance.
She really does just faunt me. And there are times
when I was watching it for the first time that

(47:31):
I'd see her come on screen.

Speaker 7 (47:33):
And I would think, that's me. That's how good it is.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
It's amazing. And of course, Rindan Glayson plays your father.
What was it like watching someone play your father and
watching your beautiful relationship play out on screen.

Speaker 12 (47:47):
They got that relationship so so perfectly, the love and
that kind of cherishing and that kind of just deep,
deep joy in each other's company. And Brandon is not
physically very much like my dad. My dad was a
lot slighter, he had darker hair, and I didn't know

(48:09):
if Brendan could do my dad basically on screen.

Speaker 7 (48:12):
And I went again on set.

Speaker 12 (48:15):
There was a van turned up and he leapt out
of it wearing, you know, my dad's clothes, and he
looked a bit worried and said, you know, it must
be a bit weird seeing.

Speaker 7 (48:22):
You're wearing your father's clothes.

Speaker 12 (48:25):
And the worry in his face, the worry in his
expression as he said that, my heart just crumpled, you know.
And it turns out that he's exactly like my dad
on screen, and in ways I can't really explain. It's
this kind of unreconstructed masculinity that sort of merged with
this enormous heart, the size of a house, you all,
this huge love.

Speaker 7 (48:44):
He's incredible.

Speaker 12 (48:44):
I know I sound like I'm just yelling about this movie,
but it's so much better than I thought it would be.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
But it was such a beautiful relationship and extually. Your
dad was an extraordinary man. He was an incredible photojournalist,
and I believe that the photos that we see in
the film are his photos. I mean, he was everywhere
photographing everything. He kept it every moment that he's extraordinary.
It was lovely to him almost, you know as well
on screen.

Speaker 12 (49:10):
I still do this, You're still if someone's walking in
front of me, and turn around fast always. I just
I just didn't almost flint automatically because I expect this
to be a photograph. You know, there are more photographs
of me and my brother as kids, and I think
any other.

Speaker 7 (49:21):
Children really well.

Speaker 12 (49:23):
But yeah, he loved to record the beauties in wonders
of the world, and you know a lot of famous
photos that he took are in the film, and also
other things my brother loaned the film the production, my
dad's real cameras, which are in the film. Claire wears
the actual Hawking waistcoat that I wore when I flew mable.
So there's an extraordinary kind of sense that the film
is made up of bits of real the real story

(49:46):
kind of like interleaved in it, which I don't know.
It's kind of really moving that those things are in there.
So yeah, he was a great photographer. He took that
picture of Prince Charles and Lady Diana kissing on the balcony,
which is super famous and I can't remember, but I
think they published it with the wrong byline error and
he was so cross, But yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
He was.

Speaker 7 (50:08):
He was a great photographer and a lovely man.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
Let's talk about Mabel Gosh. I know that Mabes you'd
been involved with the falconry before, but you'd never had
a gosthawk. As you say, this sort of this idea
came to you in a dream. Tell us a little
bit about Goth hawks, because they are quite a difficult
hawk to train to hunt alongside a human, aren't they.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
Yeah, they're they.

Speaker 12 (50:35):
They have this reputation in falconry as being kind of
feather shotguns. They're these sort of very skittish highly a
bit like a thoroughbred rasource. They're very nervy, They're quite
skittish and uncontrollable. They're also very powerful and predatory and
very very hard to team. And I never wanted one.
I always thought there were kind of these these sort
of killing machines that boys liked to fly.

Speaker 7 (50:58):
And then my dad died. I just couldn't stop dreaming
about them. And then when I, you know, tamed Mabel, and.

Speaker 12 (51:05):
You can develop this incredibly strong bond with the Gospel
and I didn't know that to the point where this
is astonishing because they managed to get this in the film,
which I never thought was possible.

Speaker 7 (51:14):
But you can play with them. They've become very playful.

Speaker 4 (51:18):
You know.

Speaker 12 (51:18):
I'd throw bits of paper to her and she'd throw
them back to me, and she'd kind of laugh, and
you could almost tell in a gospelk's expression, you know,
when they're laughing. So it turns out that a Hawk
that I was told by all the sort of boy
Folkner's was this kind of merciless, humorless killing machine, was
a bewitchingly funny and.

Speaker 7 (51:37):
Rounded and beautiful soul that really kept me going.

Speaker 12 (51:43):
But it wasn't a story that in which the hawk
was like a you know, I was sad I got
a hawk, and then I felt better.

Speaker 7 (51:48):
You know, I really did go through it with that bird.

Speaker 12 (51:50):
You know, I identified with her to the point where
I sort of felt almost like I wasn't a human.

Speaker 7 (51:54):
It was a very dark time, but a very beautiful one.
And I'm very grateful to her.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
For being there now, and I thought that Clearfoyd did
a very good job handling it, because my gosh, I
think most of us from the first moment it kind
of I mean, I don't know what you call it
when just will try and fly away. I suppose did terrifying, Yeah,
yeat close.

Speaker 7 (52:17):
Yeah, because no, absolutely, And I you know, I was
I knew she had a bit of tree.

Speaker 12 (52:22):
She had two weeks falconry training with an incredible guy
for Lloyd Buck, who did the Hawks.

Speaker 7 (52:27):
Of the film.

Speaker 12 (52:28):
And it turns out, luckily that Clairefoy is an absolutely
natural falconer. I don't know whether that's partly just you know,
that's the way she is, but partly I think being
an actor helps, because part of the thing in falconry
is you have to be able to learn to read
infinitesimally small retro expressions and postures on the hawk to

(52:48):
know what it's thinking.

Speaker 7 (52:49):
And she just instantly got it.

Speaker 12 (52:51):
And I saw the film with a whole bunch of
falconers a few months ago, and all of them refused
to believe that she wasn't already a falconer.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
So go Claire, Yeah, No, it's amazing, and I do.
I think they really captured the beauty of the hawks,
of these birds, didn't they, and what they can do?
And yeah, I was mismerized by very good performance by
the goshawk.

Speaker 7 (53:16):
Flight gospels.

Speaker 12 (53:17):
I believe there's more thanly one gossip in that film,
but you know, that's Hollywood, that's sort of how it works.
But yeah, the flight photography is astonishing. The you know
that you have incredible cameramen and there are shots there
that more than any other flight shots have ever seen.
The birds of preying flying really capture that sense that
when you're flying a hawk that you have lived with and.

Speaker 7 (53:34):
You're partnered with in the way, your heart is with
them as they fly.

Speaker 12 (53:37):
And I think the audience gets that when you It's
a spectacular film.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
Hell on my must ask what happened? What happened to
Mabel Mapes?

Speaker 12 (53:47):
I flew Mabel for a few more seasons in a
much less manic way bank goodness, and then I ran
out of money because I was a penniless academic.

Speaker 7 (53:57):
It's not the most relucative of career choices.

Speaker 12 (54:01):
And I had to move back in with my mom,
and my mom happened to live at that time in
some of Britain's most exclusive and expensive pheasant shooting estates
around her, so I couldn't get permission to fly her anywhere.
So I loaned her to a very good falconer up north,
and she flew again, had a couple of seasons up there,
and she died very very suddenly of a fungal infection
in her lungs called aspergulosis. It's one of those random

(54:23):
things that anyone with an animal knows that you know
your time with them can always be cut short by
random things. And she died very suddenly, and I still
have some of her malted feathers in a jar on
my mantelpiece, and I miss her. She was the bird
of my life, you know, like people some of say
that was the dog of my life. Mabel was the
bird of my life.

Speaker 7 (54:43):
And seeing her resurrected in the film in a way
is just beautiful.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
Are you still involved with falconry.

Speaker 7 (54:50):
I'm actually in the moment. I'm in Maine, in.

Speaker 12 (54:53):
Northeast America, staying with some very old friends who I
met through falconry, and I don't fly a bird. I
have parrots now, but I still am still friends with
a whole bunch of falconers.

Speaker 7 (55:02):
Yeah, I have parrots. People laugh about parrots.

Speaker 12 (55:05):
I have the because i'm you know, emotionally more well
rounded and developed now that I can have parrots, not hawks.
But honestly, honestly, I have more scars from parents than
I've ever had from a bird of prey. They're vicious
in Youah, so yeah, I think one day I'd love
to get back into it, but at the moment I'm
traveling too much to really do justice to a hawk
one day.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
Helen, it's been so lovely to talk to you. Thank
you so much for your time and for sharing your
beautiful story.

Speaker 7 (55:30):
Thank you, it's been such a joy. I've had a
lovely to fame talking to you.

Speaker 8 (55:34):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
That was author Helen McDonald. The film we're talking about
is h Is the Hawk. It's based on Helen's best
selling memoir and the film is in cinemas on Thursday,
thirtieth of July. I don't forget that. After eleven, I'm
joined by the New Zealand Commonwealth Games Shifter Mission Nigel
Avery to talk about what to expect from the Comworth Games.
They are kicking off at the end of this week,
but they're a little bit different to the usual games,

(55:57):
so we're going to cover that off with him. After eleven.
It is twenty three past ten.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
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Speaker 2 (57:15):
The Sunday session, okay, got a bit.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
Of Shakira haird Die, which is the official World Cup
song France obviously, got a bit of talking to at halftime,
and quite a few players came off the bench. They
are now up. They've scored twice, so it is four
to two currently to England, so we'll see how that
all pans out. Joining me now to talk entertainment is

(57:49):
Steve Nel And when it comes to entertainment, one of
the big stories going on at the moment is to
do with kind of the americanization of the thief of
World Cup Final in particular, and we're going to get
a halftime show.

Speaker 16 (58:01):
We are indeed going to get a halftime show. I
don't love this at all personally, and the concept I
don't love, but also I don't love that it's a
curated by coldplays Chris Martin against MS much Snoozefest. Performers
include Performers Are Too Bad, Madonna, Justin Bieber, Shakira BTS.
Apparently Tom Cruise and Robie Williams are going to make

(58:22):
an appearance as well. But the thing that really grinds
my gears about this, right is that apparently the show
might last up to twenty five even thirty minutes. It's
a half time show.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
But that's the entire break, so that that involves setting
up the stage and removing the stage and the show.
That would be the entire break for sure.

Speaker 16 (58:41):
Okay, but tournament regulations so the break can't be longer
than fifteen minutes.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
Just stickler for the rules. All of a sudden, I'm
such a well, are you not.

Speaker 16 (58:49):
A stickler for the rules in sports?

Speaker 10 (58:51):
Rules a quite important to sport.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
You're you're so right. Look, here's the thing I understand.
Probably the main issue is it sort of it breaks
up the flow of the game. It's probably not good
for the athletes to be sitting on the sideline, you know,
getting cold. If you're just there to see the football,
that's what you want to see. I totally get it
if you're a football die hard fan and that's what

(59:16):
you want. But actually I am in it for the entertainment.
I'm pretty black put some bikes on the side of
the field, and the players can all sit on the
bikes and spin their little legs and stay warm and
let's let's have a show.

Speaker 16 (59:28):
I'm picking up. I'm picking up what you're putting down.
But for me, this, for me, the match is the entertainment.
So I just had to bloody get on with it.
And also for a match which can kind of stretch
for a bit of a stretch, Let's face it, it's
kind of good to like, I'm going.

Speaker 3 (59:44):
To get gep this thing, but sang from a forty
four dollars bucks that I've spent from TV and Z,
I'll get it. I get a music show as well.
But I'm to be honest with you, I'm not hugely
excited about the people who are performing. But no, I'm
pretty related.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
I guess.

Speaker 16 (01:00:00):
I guess I'm kind of a bit peeved that it's
just as you said, the kind of americanization of this
event that lines up to me with the absurdity of
the championship rings that have been announced, where they just
invented this thing because it happens to the United States
and so they can sell one thousand, nine hundred and
ninety six championship rings to the public.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
They're expecting one point eight billion people to be watching
the final. Does a halftime performance chain have an impact
on that?

Speaker 16 (01:00:28):
Do you think it to make more people watch it?

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
I don't know, will it have? I mean, are they
sort of going, well, we've got a lot of people watching,
we better entertain them, sort of with a bit of
a bit of music, like everybody else does it half time?

Speaker 16 (01:00:38):
Maybe they just they just kind of keep inventing things, right,
And it started with the Fee for Peace prize. Yeah,
the first kind of gaudy sign of what was to
come with this tournament. Let's just give a gold hungry
person some more gold.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
But yeah, well it's going to be really interesting to see.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
How it all turns out.

Speaker 16 (01:00:56):
I think my favorite thing about it so far was
I learned about this whole exercise from the Cure frontman
Robert Smith, who posted it Instagram, ah A with like
approximately eighteen a's hashtag bread and circuses hashtags something I
can't say on the radio, hashtag something else I can't.

Speaker 4 (01:01:15):
Say on the radio.

Speaker 12 (01:01:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
Nice, So he's not happy about it now.

Speaker 16 (01:01:18):
He followed it by saying, it's the idea of a
football world Cup final halftime show. So it's just conceptually
and I'm I might not have lipsticks smear across my face.
I do a bit of a bird's nest today. But
I am with Robert Smith on.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
Okay, there we can go ninety two ninety two, happy
to you do text us and let us know if
it's going to ruin your final tomorrow morning, Hey.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
Final tomorrow.

Speaker 8 (01:01:41):
I just don't.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
I just don't like it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
Okay, right, let's talk The Odyssey, because this is Christopher
Nolan's new film. Not to hype about it. It's in
cinemas now and it is a master class in just
beautiful filmmaking, isn't it?

Speaker 6 (01:01:57):
It sure is.

Speaker 16 (01:01:57):
And what I loved about this three hour film during
the week was it's not a snooty, boring thing. It's
not a tiresome kind of let's like get into the
grit of the classic. It's taking stories that they'll be
familiar to most people that go and see this one
be like, oh yeah, I know that beat or this
particular little thing that happens, and there's something really great

(01:02:18):
about that because these are stories that are rippled for
thousands of years. But I just like the modernity of
it without it being like, you know, a bas Lerman
type style. You know, Matt Damon drops the F bomb
memorably once and it just doesn't seem incongruous or weird
to do so Tom Hollands running around with an American accident.
It makes sense somehow, But for all that, it doesn't

(01:02:41):
dumb things down. I think there's a respect for the
audience here. He strikes us balance and respecting the audience.
Being blockbustered spectacle and being true to the intent of
the original while coming up with some kind of modern
interpretations does say a bit about where we're at in
the world today, and you know, as we perhaps near
the demise of our great civilization as well.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
No I thoroughly enjoyed it as well. I recommend that
you find the biggest screen possible. You might not be
to get to an IMAX, and that's not that that
doesn't matter, but just one of the biggest, differently.

Speaker 16 (01:03:09):
Biggest screen it's shot on. It all shot on IMEX cameras.
It's definitely the format to get to if you can,
and Nolan taking on the challenges of filming it this
way does pay off.

Speaker 4 (01:03:21):
On that massive screen.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
Who do you think is going to win tomorrow Spain Argentina.

Speaker 16 (01:03:26):
Argentina shall wait and see.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
Thank you so much, Steve. It is twenty five to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin on News Talks
at B.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
Joining me now with her science study of the Week,
Doctor Michelle di can think. Good morning, good morning. Okay,
this is pretty fascinating. I'm quite I'm very fascinated in
our deep sea because there's actually so little we know
about it. There's so much more to learn, isn't there?
I mean, at the bottom of nothing, And so.

Speaker 17 (01:04:01):
This study is it's incredible actually, and it introdescets the
term that I had never heard of for which I
thought was quite cute, and it's called marine snow.

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
Yeah, I never heard of it either.

Speaker 17 (01:04:10):
It sounds cute. It's basically dead things from the top
of the.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
Ocean has a nice romantic ring torch.

Speaker 17 (01:04:19):
So what happens to all of the carbon life forms,
including fish pooh and all the other dead fish bits
And when they're at the top of the ocean, how
do they what happens to them?

Speaker 4 (01:04:29):
World?

Speaker 17 (01:04:29):
Basically, they sink to the bottom of the seabed and
it's known as marine snow. And this new study published
in Science Advances and its open sorts, and it's an
interesting read if you're fascinated into how the world works.
Basically has turned on its head what we believe about
the deep ocean and also how we think that some
of these creatures in the deep ocean actually can eat

(01:04:52):
because there's no sunlight down there. It's always thought that
they were quite starved down there. And so the and
the study is so simple, The testing that they did
is really simple. So, as you may know, our oceans
are one of our biggest carbon store So we might
pump out a whole bunch of carbon through pollution, but
actually the ocean suck up a whole bunch of this

(01:05:12):
and they absorb this quantity of carbon dioxide and they
shuttle it from the surface of the ocean down to
the deep sea. And we call this a biological carbon pump,
and it's part of the carbon cycle and it helps
us on Earth to regulate our climate. Now, these sinking
particles are part of this kept in this carbon and
they go down and say snow. But what happens at

(01:05:35):
depths of about five kilometers down The pressure of the
ocean really gets significant is about fifty megapest scales, or
five hundred times what our atmospheric pressure is on us.
And so the study looked at this marine snow equivalent
and they basically said, what happens when we put pressure
onto it? So they put it into this giant pressure

(01:05:55):
machine basically, and they looked at what happens when they
put this marine snow under pressure in a machine in
the lab. And what they found is when it got
to about that fifty megapest sculls, basically, the pressure acted
like a juicing machine and it turned all of the
insides of the brokable of these cells in this stuff

(01:06:15):
that was breaking down, and it juiced the contents out
and it released all of these nutrients at this layer
which nobody had ever thought about before. And they think
about five kilometers down this is where most of the
life forms are actually getting their nutrients from this pressure
juicing machine that took the marine snow and took all
the ingredients out, and they were able to prove doing this.

(01:06:39):
So they basically squeezed some stuff and gave it to
some plankton which gobbled it up and grew ten times
faster that actually they can live on this and what
we thought was a relatively nutrient poor part of our
ocean is actually supernutrient rich because this pressure is juicing
out all of these goodies from this marine snow. And
it's totally changed the way that we have thought about

(01:07:00):
number one, the carbon cycle, because it means less carbon
is sitting on the seabed floor, because actually we're releasing
it at fives down, and we're feeding a whole ecosystem
a different way than we'd ever thought about before. So
I think this is a massive discovery that like nobody
seems to have picked up on. And I love the
idea of like a pressure juicing machine five kilometers down.

Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
Fascinating. Where can people read the study?

Speaker 17 (01:07:21):
So it's called Science Advances. It was released this week
and it is open source so you can actually read it.
But we're totally rethinking number one, how the carbon cycle works,
and number two how some of our deep ocean life
forms are actually fed.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
Thank you so much. We talk next week.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
Thanks the Sunday Session Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered
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Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
It is time to talk to our residence chief Mike
vender Elson.

Speaker 4 (01:07:47):
Good morning, good morning, love me to have you with us.

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
We're going to give people some inspiration for winter sellers,
because you get to a boat now and you've been
tuning out the same thing, no, no, to night, haven't you.
It's good to have a little inspiration. Although what I
find quite funny is we're going to sort of talk
about pumpkins and buttonnuts and things today and that's all.
I've kind of been roasting up for the last month,
and I think everyone would quite like me to move on.
But this riskly does sound divine.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
It is, and and the photo is amazing too.

Speaker 18 (01:08:16):
If you have a look up at the photo, it's
just it's such a spectacle of color.

Speaker 19 (01:08:21):
So we harvested our pumpkins and butternuts.

Speaker 18 (01:08:25):
Maybe I'll be coming up two months ago now, So
they've been sitting in the kiosk for two months, and over.

Speaker 19 (01:08:31):
That period they the flesh just colors up, and also
a lot of the flavor of.

Speaker 18 (01:08:36):
The pumpkin develops because they it concentrates, so you lose
a lot of that moisture and so that the flesh
that's remaining is a little bit stronger and a little
bit sweeter.

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
Okay, I didn't know that, well, I didn't know that
you could potentially, well it makes sense, but I didn't
know that you could taste the difference.

Speaker 18 (01:08:57):
And the trekk is to store them on their stalk okay,
upside down on this stalk, and then.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
They won't go rotten.

Speaker 18 (01:09:04):
Oh okay, yeah, that's a stalk up. They will tend
to go rotten over a period of times. Stalk down
they stay good for months and months and months. Incredible,
wasn't it.

Speaker 8 (01:09:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
Have you got your tomatoes and a tunnel house as well?

Speaker 18 (01:09:17):
Yeah, so we So this recipe uses tunnelhouse tomato. So
we're in the depths of winter, you know, it's not
we're on in tomato season. So the tunnel house tomatoes,
some of those real small ones.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
Are actually quite delicious.

Speaker 18 (01:09:32):
So if I was to use tomatoes at this time
of the year, I'd go for the little, tiny, kind
of still on the vine tomatoes. They tend to be
the best. So, yeah, it's a great, it's a great.
You've got to add a little bit of acid sometimes
into a salad, and I find that these little sweet
tomatoes that have been slightly roasted will do that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
Okay, talk us through the warm butternut salad with black
olive honey and rocket oil.

Speaker 19 (01:09:58):
Sounds great, so that the butternut's pretty easy.

Speaker 18 (01:10:00):
Just take a large button, cut that in half, scoop
out the seeds, cut that into maybe some big wedges,
pop them into a bowl, toss over a little bit
of sunflower oil, a little bit of flaky salt, spread
them out onto a roasting train and roast them on
one hundred and eighty.

Speaker 19 (01:10:15):
They're going to take about twenty five minutes. And whilst
those are roasting, you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
Can do the calor matera olive it.

Speaker 19 (01:10:22):
I think I've spoken about this before in the past.

Speaker 18 (01:10:25):
It's quite a unique combination with the saltiness and the
color matter olives and the sweetness of the honey, those
two going together. So it's twelve pitted color matera olives,
and I put them into like a little food processor
with like a tablespoon to two tablespoons of honey, blitz
them together and it creates this sweet, salty, delicious sort

(01:10:47):
of dressing that you drizzle over the top of the
butternut when it's ready. Just for the buttonnut's ready, just
chucking your tomatoes, a little bit of oil on there,
a little bit of salt. They will take about ten
minutes on one eighty, just as you finish off the butternuts.
And then to make the rocket oil. The rocket oil
is not essential for this, but it does make it look.
It gives it a bit of bougie. It gives it

(01:11:07):
a bit of style because it heaps the color. So
to make the rocket oil, pot of water, chuck some
salt in there, bring it to a rapid boil, take
a handful of rocket, drop it into their counter five
remove it after five seconds straight into ice water. After
that time, squeeze out any excess water in that rocket.
Drop it into a blender with half a cup of

(01:11:29):
some flow of oil, and blend it on as high
as you can for as short as you can, so
that maintains that beautiful color. Once that's blended, then you
pour it into a servant inside the sieve. I just
put it like a clean chuckscloth. Pour that rocket pure,
I guess, into that Chucks cloth, and just allow it
to drip through the chuck cloth into the bowl underneath.

(01:11:50):
Doat force it otherwise it becomes very cloudy. Just let
it drip and it'll be super clear and vibrant and
colorful and all taste of the rocket. So pull your
button night out of the oven, arrange that around on
your platter. I've got some Danish fetter, which is like
a cow soft better crumble that over the top, a
cup of walnuts that are being toasted. Drizzle over that

(01:12:11):
color mad olive dressing. And then finally you've got your
crystal clear vibrant green rocket. All that drizzles over the
top of that to finish. It really is quite a
It's a beautiful salad to serve it this time of
the year.

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
It sounds divine. Thank you so much, Mike. You can
get that recipe from good from Scratch dot co dot nz,
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Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
He'd be right.

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
Are you grinding it out at work? As working long
hours a badge of honor for you, a sign that
you're doing your job better than others. Well with the
rates of burnout occurring these days, a lot of people
are discovering that there are better ways to work and
grinding us out and thriving us in and to tork
Uster will is Aaron O'Hara, good morning, Good morning. Okay,
So we have sort of got to a point, heav't

(01:13:12):
wh where we all feel really good if we're working
really hard, but it's not really all that great for
our health, is it?

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
Not at all?

Speaker 20 (01:13:18):
And I think there's that real hustle culture of like
the more you do, the more successful you're going to be.
And that hustle culture also links busyness with your worth
and equating that the more you grind along, the better
you are.

Speaker 3 (01:13:33):
And actually, if you're not working long.

Speaker 20 (01:13:36):
Hours, this huge silly hours, that you're actually classified as.

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
Being lazy, and that's not really the truth.

Speaker 20 (01:13:42):
This hustle culture really rewards always been on and I
think this modern society with email and online means that
we are kind of have this twenty four to seven
work life that could keep going if you allow it to,
and actually where to create that stop button and actually
working from like three am in the morning till eleven

(01:14:05):
o'clock at night is not something that's going to be
something you can sustain, and having that mindset of a
grind mentality is actually not the pathway to success. And
when you start looking at the research on this is
actually you know that your productivity will hugely reduce when
you're working when you're not sleeping enough and you're working

(01:14:26):
crazy hours. And there was even a Harvard study done
that said that, you know, they study people who were
sleep deprived and only sleeping three hours a night, which
is very very low, and they had the same performance
level as someone with a blood alcohol level concentration of
the same as what the driving limit is here in
New Zealand. And so it's basically like you've had a

(01:14:47):
whole lot of alcholic drinks when you're sleep deprived. It's
not going to help your performance. It's not going to
help your cognition, and you're not going to have good memory,
and it's going to affect your overall health long term
as well. When you start looking at the health rests,
studies show that insufficient sleep is actually going to have
a long term impact on your house with things like hypertension, diabetes, obesity, stroke,

(01:15:10):
Alzheimer's and also heart failure, and that sleep loss is
actually having a massive impact on your health, and it's
something that we can actually really do something about it,
and it's free for us to do something about it.
Is actually putting in better boundaries around making sure we
get those hours of sleep in.

Speaker 3 (01:15:28):
What are the boundaries we be putting in place, What
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Setting some good work boundaries, even if the work culture
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your work hours are these hours and after a certain
time at night, which usually I suggest two hours before
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wind down time. Also having some screen free time, whether
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big hours. Think about how can I do the same
amount of work but in less time. That can be
a really great way to cut down your work hours
as actually be productive rather than just get the work
done and take your time. And then also always prioritizing
your self care because your self care is your foundations
of your health. So making sure you're getting the seven
to nine hours sleep and quality sleep because that's going

(01:16:37):
to refresh your brain. Great nutrition, good balance, and also
some regular exercise always makes you feel good.

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Thank you so much. Erin the school is now five
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getting all ready for the team to arrive in the
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Speaker 3 (01:18:45):
Now it feels like it's flowing a bit under the radar,
doesn't it. But the Commonwealth Games start this Friday. This
year's Games is a reduced format. Initially set to be
hosted in Melbourne, the event was moved to Glasgow after
the Aussie's pulled out due to cost concerns. He's Yellen
team chefter mission. Nigel Avery has arrived in Glasgow. He
joins me now to let us know what we can
expect over the next cup of weeks.

Speaker 4 (01:19:06):
Nigel, good morning, good morning to you, Francesca. Thanks for
having me on.

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
I think you have just arrived in Gladsgow. I don't
know if you can tell me how it's feeling. Do
you get a sense that there are some Commonwealth Games
happening at the end of the week.

Speaker 4 (01:19:19):
You certainly do.

Speaker 6 (01:19:20):
So.

Speaker 21 (01:19:21):
We were here back in March and it was just
Glasgow City, arriving a few or abound hour ago. There's
bunting up and posters and as you're walking out you know,
through into the baggage claim and whatnot in.

Speaker 4 (01:19:34):
The terminals and then street signage, so looking like a
game city.

Speaker 3 (01:19:38):
It's happening, but a very different Commonwealth Games this time around.
How are you feeling a few days out from the start.
Is it feeling different for you?

Speaker 21 (01:19:49):
Well, I guess it is different. We have fewer athletes,
a few support people to go along with that. There's
only ten sports we had twenty two I think in Birmingham.

Speaker 4 (01:19:59):
Four years ago. But I guess the way we go
about doing things is unchanged.

Speaker 21 (01:20:05):
We just want to create environment to allow athletes to
succeed and to whatever level they can on the day,
and so we're hell bent on trying to do that
for them.

Speaker 3 (01:20:15):
And when do the athletes start arriving?

Speaker 21 (01:20:18):
Yes, I think the first arrivals are on the twentieth,
So there's a there's a period of stay mandated by
the organizing company only three to four days before competition.
Then they've got to be out two days after the
competition for that sport finishes. So yeah, I'm sure they'd
like to be here before that, but it's just it
is what it is. There'll be a lot of trade

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offs that will be different from a service perspective these
games than prior editions, and we've been really sort of
tight with the athletes and explaining that so that when
they get here, you know what they might expect and
that's not presented to them. They're not going to get
bummed out by.

Speaker 3 (01:20:57):
It, because that's essentially part of your job, isn't it,
making sure that everything runs smoothly and they can just
focus on their event.

Speaker 4 (01:21:06):
Yeah, and for the for the sports managers as well.

Speaker 21 (01:21:11):
You know, they're so used to doing everything, so we
take a lot of that load off them and so
they can focus on performance. And that's really what we
want to do. We want to just as I said,
creative environment where you know they're happy, they're healthy, they're
being well looked after and catered for.

Speaker 4 (01:21:25):
And all they have to think about is that competition.

Speaker 3 (01:21:28):
Nigel, Is that new the requirements around not arriving at
a certain time and leaving at a certain time or
is that just for this particular Commonwealth games.

Speaker 4 (01:21:40):
It's for this particular Comworth game.

Speaker 21 (01:21:41):
So most games they have a village opening date and
so you can't move them before that. But then if
you are competing towards the end of the program, you
could still elect to show up when the village opened.
So now because of they're using hotels instead of a village.
I said, they want to mitigate cost because they are
doing it on a shoe string, and so that's why

(01:22:02):
they've they've done that. I said, look, guys, you know,
we can't have you, you know, coming, you know, five
days before the event starts and then waiting till the
closing ceremony, you know, to leave.

Speaker 3 (01:22:10):
Because this is the thing, right. Cities normally have a
really long time to prepare for a Commonwealth Games. Glasgow's
had less than two years. Do you think they're ready?
Have they done a good job?

Speaker 21 (01:22:21):
Look, as I said, we're here in March, and I
was really impressed with the state of readiness. We're still
unsure about you know, there's still gonna be some things
that may not go to their plan, and so we're
just going to be really nimble except that you know
that could be the case, and just work with what's
in front of us. But I think they really have
done a lot of work in a really short period

(01:22:44):
of time. The runway was very short, and talking with
some of them back in March, they said, well, look,
because we've had such little time, our meetings are really
really strictly short and to the point, and so I
think they've been quite efficient and very pragmatic in their approach.

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
Who doesn't love shorter meetings Glasgow maybe showing what can
be done on a reduced time frame and a budget.
I mean, you know, if this works well, could this
potentially be a model that's look to, you know, to
sort of sustain the Commonwealth Games? Do you think?

Speaker 8 (01:23:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:23:18):
I think it could.

Speaker 21 (01:23:19):
I think your future organizing committees would certainly like a
bit more time prepare, but utilizing existing infrastructure is the
way to go. You know, I've just spent a couple
of days in Los Angeles looking at LA twenty eight's
they had some open days.

Speaker 4 (01:23:34):
You know, they're based in UCLA.

Speaker 21 (01:23:36):
You're using existing student accommodations, so they don't have to
build anything. And so I think it is a model,
perhaps not ideally to this. The scale of this one
hopefully can be enlarged from that to allow more sports
to participate, but it makes economic sense, I think, to
do it the way they've done it, or in a
similar vein So.

Speaker 3 (01:23:56):
An example of that is that I heard that the
Balls is being taken indoors this year, which I presume
is just making the most of existing facilities. But would
that have an impact.

Speaker 21 (01:24:07):
Well, I think from what I've talked to the our
New Zealand Bowls team members, it could actually kind of
help level the playing field because the greens in the
Northern Hemisphere are different to the Southern Hemisphere, and so
if they're coming out to play outdoors, there'd be a
bit of adjustment needs to be made, whereas the indoor arena.
I think they probably had a little bit more time

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on that relative, you know, compared to their counterparts up
this part of the world, So it could be a
bit of a leveler for us.

Speaker 3 (01:24:34):
It's going to be interesting, isn't it. There's going to
be some things which might end up being benefits and
others that might not. It's going to be interesting to
see how it kind of all plays out. So talk
us through our the sports that we have got taking
place at these games.

Speaker 4 (01:24:51):
Yeah, so, I guess you know the biggest sports.

Speaker 21 (01:24:54):
You know, you've got track and field and power athletics, swimming,
pera swimming, cycling, para cycling. Then you've got the sort
of the weightlifting, you know, judo, three by three basketball,
three to three basketball which is a new one for
the Commonwealth Games.

Speaker 4 (01:25:12):
What else we got? I'm a bit jet leg there, Francisca.
So you might have caught me on the whole.

Speaker 3 (01:25:17):
That's all right, you're doing a very good job over
o very.

Speaker 4 (01:25:20):
Much, bowl bowls and artistic gymnastics. I think that repsident.

Speaker 3 (01:25:23):
There we go, there, we go, well done. So we've
got one hundred and sixteen athletes. That's half of what
we had at last games. As you mentioned, what can
they expect in the village when they arrive? Is it
different from that of other games? Is a pretty similar experience?

Speaker 21 (01:25:42):
Very different in that we're all staying in hotels. So
for an example, every athletics athlete from every country is
staying in one hotel because it's it's basically they've situated
the athletes where approximately to their training accompetition venues are.
So athletics is in one hotel. Another hotel swimming, cycling

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and artistic monastics because it's closest to their venues. And
that's just New Zealand, might be few other nations, and
then all of other six sports are in a separate
hotel with one other nation. I think it's Northern Ireland
who will be joining us, and so very very different.
And so at the village Hotel, which coincidentally is called

(01:26:25):
the Village. We've set up our athlete hub which I'm
walking around now. It's in a bit of a state
of disrepair, getting prepared to be put up, and it's
where our medical team will be based our preparation recovery
because it's the largest operational footprint that we've been given
by the organizers.

Speaker 4 (01:26:41):
So very different experience, really different.

Speaker 3 (01:26:43):
Do you think they'll miss the village atmosphere.

Speaker 4 (01:26:48):
Potentially?

Speaker 21 (01:26:49):
You know, some people thrive on it, others get overawed
by it, and so it's a bit of a mixed
bag that the Track and Field Hotel, it's an all
in thing, right, athletes from all all countries. The Village
Hotel for New Zealand will be kind of cool because
it's six of our sports based there and they love
interacting each other. And then a smaller scale where the swimming, track,

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cycling and gymnastics are so lots.

Speaker 3 (01:27:14):
Of changes with the way the sort of the village.
You know this with the setup potentially with the number
of sports and things like that, but when it comes
to going and doing your event, you'll be the events
themselves are all being run exactly as athletes expected or
you know would normally undertake.

Speaker 21 (01:27:33):
I think largely they are, like Glasgow has got an
amazing history of putting good events and big events on
European Champs, World Champs, so they know what they're doing.
Facilities are world class and so I think optically from
a spectator point of view, looking and cheering a team
on on the TV, it's going to look like it's
all it's all the same cold.

Speaker 6 (01:27:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:27:53):
Now there's one one quirky thing at athletics where the
warm up venues. It's a bit of a a bit
of a band aid. It's not a full warm up
athletics warm up track, and so they'll have to adapt
to that and move on. But talking with Yeah, the
efforts New Zealand guys, they say, look at that's kind
of what it is like at World Indoors. So we'll
just we'll just get on with it and compete.

Speaker 3 (01:28:15):
Nigel, I know you're completely impartial in your role, but
you do have a weightlifting background. We've got seven weightlifters
competing for New Zealand. What are you expecting from them?

Speaker 4 (01:28:26):
It's I think it's a lot of excitement.

Speaker 21 (01:28:28):
I mean weightliftings a it's a real sporting theater, you know,
mind over matter, just willing yourself to you know, to
get under a bar, and no matter whether you're you know,
midway in the packer or on the podium, it's still
a it's a massive effort to get out there as
a soul spilights on you. But excited to see what
what David does. He's sort of getting towards.

Speaker 4 (01:28:51):
You know, the twilight of his career.

Speaker 21 (01:28:54):
And some of the younger the younger lifters and particularly
females are looking pretty hard as well. So but waite
thing is one of those sports that you know, the
stars are going to be in alignment and your things
are going to go your way. So we just you know,
as I said, we're going to try and do our
best to do everything we can apart from get on
the platform with them to help them do as well
as they can.

Speaker 3 (01:29:13):
What else are you looking forward to?

Speaker 4 (01:29:17):
Gosh, all sorts of stuff.

Speaker 21 (01:29:20):
I'm really really enjoy the track cycling, that's that's so
much fun. And obviously Alise Andrews, you know, she's just
come off been in a professional Curran sort of circuit
in Japan, so she'll be race hardened for that. Obviously, athletics.
You know, that's the sport I grew up with and
you're already passionate about. So that's that's exciting. And I

(01:29:41):
think also the netball obviously, you know, clearly has been
smooth sailing for those guys, you know, in the last
fee while. So I'm really looking forward to watching them
push because having talk with them and Dame Nolen and
the coaching stuff, they're they're pretty determined, so I'll I'm
really excited to see how they go.

Speaker 3 (01:29:59):
Nigel, you mentioned it on the way to Gladsgow, you
stopped in at LA to see how things are shaping
up for the twenty twenty eight Olympics. Are you ge
a sense of what the LA Games will be like?

Speaker 21 (01:30:10):
Yeah, Look, I mean Americans figure they're not going to
hold back on vegeantry and pomp and ras matais, so
I think the overlay is going to be pretty impressive.

Speaker 4 (01:30:21):
They're they're really well organized.

Speaker 21 (01:30:23):
So they're basically we're there are two years before the opening,
so many fifteenth of July twenty twenty eight is the opening,
and you know, I kind of felt that they're ahead
of the game compared to you know, where Paris was
at a similar stage perhaps, but it's gonna be it's
gonna be a different games to Paris.

Speaker 4 (01:30:39):
But I think it's gonna be awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:30:40):
It be really really cool, and I know it's all
on hold at the moment, but there have been talks
about New Zealand bidding for an event and coming years.
Would you like to see a Conwealth Games at home?

Speaker 4 (01:30:50):
I'd love too.

Speaker 21 (01:30:51):
I'd love to, but only if it made good economic sense,
only if we could do it in a way that's
not going to strangle the country economically, and in a
way that we can get the whole country in behind it,
because you know it needs that.

Speaker 3 (01:31:05):
Nigel, thank you so much for your time today, especially
after liking you're just spending in Jazzgo an hour ago.
Really appreciate it. We can't wait to see the team
in action at the end of the week and enjoy
the Commonwealth Games.

Speaker 4 (01:31:17):
Thank you very much. Francesca, I appreciate your support.

Speaker 3 (01:31:20):
So we'll be able to start watching Conwealth Games this
Friday and you're able to catch that on sky Up. Next,
we've got the panel Grab re Cover.

Speaker 1 (01:31:28):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca, Rudgin and Wigkles for
the best selection of great mings news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:31:34):
The'd be it is time for the panel and today
I am joined by News Talks. He'd be Wellington Morning's
host Nick Mills.

Speaker 5 (01:31:41):
Good morning Nick, Good morning Francesca. How are you doing good?

Speaker 3 (01:31:45):
Thank you? And also joining us today we have journalists
and editor Joe mccarell.

Speaker 4 (01:31:49):
Hi, Joe, Good morning Francesca. Right.

Speaker 3 (01:31:51):
Wondering if I can start off with New Zealand first,
They of course having their convention this weekend. They're polling
at eleven point five percent, which is almost double their
party vote in twenty twenty three. They've got a record
number of delegates at their convention this weekend. They've got
a bunch of new home high profile candidates. What's driving
the success at the moment? Do you think, Nick?

Speaker 5 (01:32:12):
It's the cult, isn't it? And I mean why wouldn't
it be successful when you think about it? Co governance
out anything to do with bringing you know, people from
overseas with it that look a little bit different to
us out. I mean it's kind of they just keep
praying to what the vulnerable Kiwis are nervous of, aren't they?
So of course it's going to keep going and growing

(01:32:34):
and growing. But the day that people walk into the
polling boost, will they really really commit to that? And
that's the scary thing, and nationally going so hard against
them at the moment. Yeah, the numbers are great, but
of course they are.

Speaker 3 (01:32:49):
I think Nick's got a point there, Joe. I think
it's the policy which is attracting people. I'm not entirely
sure that sort of collecting former politicians from various different
parties and you know, who have a bit of profile
and bringing them into New Zealand. First, I'm not sure
that's necessarily going to work for them, but I think
the policy is attracting people to the post.

Speaker 22 (01:33:11):
Yeah, I mean I must say, I think they could
change the name to New Zealand seconds at this stage,
couldn't they?

Speaker 3 (01:33:15):
It's you know, every.

Speaker 22 (01:33:19):
But I mean the thing is, I think in some
ways the floor has been left wide open to them
because we do need to have some really difficult conversations
around things like immigration. And I am saying that as
an immigrant to New Zealand, and if we're having a
conversation around it, I stand with immigrants as an immigrant,
but you.

Speaker 3 (01:33:38):
Know, those are difficult conversations and I don't think.

Speaker 22 (01:33:41):
New Zealand First are proposing any solutions, you know, and
even if they were, they have been in government a
long time. Why have they not rolled those solutions out?
In some ways, I don't think these numbers will be
held when we get to the election. I mean, they
do tend to have these higher numbers prior to the
actual election, but they don't actually want to be too successful,

(01:34:04):
you know. They I don't think any of these people
are interested in genuinely rolling out solutions. They just want
to feather their own nests. So they want to be
part of government, but not such a big part they're
obligated to actually achieve anything.

Speaker 3 (01:34:22):
That's interesting way looking at it, because we do see
that around the world with quite a few of the
popular sort of parties. You know, they're very well known
for complaining and winging and moaning, but don't have a
huge amount of solutions. Would you do you think that's
the case.

Speaker 5 (01:34:34):
Nick, Yeah, I'm wore so a little bit concerned. I
think they do want the power. I think they also
really want to look after those people that are looking
after them. They have great, huge, big donors and things
like horse racing and fisheries, so they want to make
things as easy as possible for those organizations. So I

(01:34:55):
kind of disagree a little bit that they don't want
more power. I think Winston Peters definitely wants to die
a prime minister. I think he definitely wants the power.
Something about Winston I've only met a monk's viewed him
a few times. But the one time I met him,
you know, and I'm a people's person, I didn't enjoy it.
I must have made I just didn't enjoy it. I thought,
you know, I just wasn't quite sure of what he's

(01:35:16):
really trying to achieve. But right now, saying things like
he's saying is obviously going to get people interested because
we're all coming out of a really tough time. We
all are hoping for things to come right, and we
don't want to see the immigration that the numbers that
they are, and we don't want to see rules like
they are. So of course, of course people are going

(01:35:37):
to be of course they're going to be popular.

Speaker 3 (01:35:40):
Do you think, Nick, are you impressed with the candidates
that they are, the new candidates that they're announcing.

Speaker 5 (01:35:47):
Well, I've always been, believe it or not, I've always
been a Stuart nash Fan. I thought he had a
lot to offer, and I always felt, you know, a
few years ago, many years ago, maybe that he was
a future prime minister. I think he's got I mean,
I think he's a very clever guy. I think he's
got a personality, he's got the breathing, you know. I
think that that is it's a very very good move.

Speaker 7 (01:36:07):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:36:08):
Some of the other ones, well, I mean, I don't
like x's of anything. I don't like ex girlfriends, I
don't like ex boyfriends. You know, I don't like X anything.

Speaker 3 (01:36:16):
I like you, you know, because I am intrigued by this,
and Jo, I'd love to get your thoughts on this
as well. Obviously, if you understand the way the houseworks,
you understand the way Parliament works, you understand the way
you get things done, then I can see the value.
And you know, wanting experienced candidates to come and represent
your party, you might think to yourself, it's going to

(01:36:37):
mean that we can get things done quicker. But you know,
I was talking to Tain Randal this morning and he
was we were commenting on him and Paul Henry, and
he said, actually, the wonderful thing is you want as
a real variety of people, and you do want new
people coming to politics with new ideas and new thoughts
and ways of doing things. That too, was really important.
So what is the appeal of these former politicians sort

(01:37:00):
of coming back into the New Zealand mix fold? Is
it having that experience there? Is that a benefit for them,
or is it that they're well known names, or actually
is it not necessarily a benefit.

Speaker 22 (01:37:09):
I think it's I think it'll again, it'll be interesting
to watch this how it plays out. I thought it
was interesting at the conference both Peters and Jones were
very strongly offering the message that you know, it is
stay on message or walk out the door. You know,
everyone here is going to sing from the same song sheet.
And I thought to myself, Yeah, people like perhaps Michael

(01:37:31):
Laws are famously people who stay quiet and don't step
up and offer their own opinion. You know, that'll be
interesting to see how that all rolls out the law
I think, I think, you know, I think you're right,
absolutely right, Francisca. People who have that experience, they're really useful.
It doesn't seem to me the right mix of new

(01:37:53):
talent too, with new ideas. Again, this is a party
I think what's Peter's has been in Parliament forty two
of the last forty eight years. There's plenty of experience
there already. Maybe I need more in the way.

Speaker 3 (01:38:07):
Of fresh talent and fresh ideas. We've seen David Seymour
come out, of course, Winston Peters announced the news about
the new cook Straight fairies, and you know act has
often spoken about what they believe government should and shouldn't do,
and you know, asset sales and things, so it wasn't
a huge surprise cities to see David Seymour sort of

(01:38:29):
question whether the government should own these cook straight fairies.
Do you think he has a point?

Speaker 5 (01:38:33):
Nick, Yeah, I think that their government should own them.
I love free enterprise, I love the idea of people
owning their own businesses.

Speaker 2 (01:38:41):
I love all that.

Speaker 5 (01:38:42):
I'm a huge supporter of that. But this is State
Highway one.

Speaker 6 (01:38:47):
This is what it is.

Speaker 5 (01:38:48):
I mean, I live in Wellington, I live and breathe
whether the fairies are on strike, whether they're going where
there's a weather condition that stopped them. This is state
We've got to keep, you know, looking at things as
if they're not that important. The Corps Straight is one
of the most important parts of between the North and
the South Island. It's the only only important part. So
I think it should be government owned. I think it

(01:39:10):
should be government run, and I think that we should
demand that we are getting a better set up than
we're getting right now. Right now, we're down to one theory.
I mean we tourism and hospitality is the number one
earner of New Zealand has gone on. Me might be
not quite right now, but potentially everyone keeps talking about
the figures being back up and we're getting back to

(01:39:32):
pre COVID one theory.

Speaker 3 (01:39:34):
Think about that your thoughts, Joe.

Speaker 22 (01:39:38):
Look, I agree with Nick on this one. I don't
think this is you know, this is a key piece
of national infrastructure. I think the idea that it should
be a profit generating entity for private private profit is bananas.
I mean, it's completely consistent with David Sima's views. Here
is an absolute libertarian. He would deregulate everything, and you know,
you know, his belief is the market will deliver. I'm like,

(01:40:00):
how is the market delivering for you when you go
to the supermarket, when you pay your power bill? How
is that delivering for you at home? And would you
like to see that with an absolutely key connection that
links New Zealand. Yeah, I think any critical analysis would
disagree with the idea that the unbridled enthusiasm that Semoa

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has for the free market.

Speaker 3 (01:40:23):
Okay, so Nick, the serious question of the day, As
lots of people seem to be very upset about this.
For the first time FIFA World Cup was going to
have a super Bowl style halftime show. I'm more like, ah, yeah,
come on, bring it on. You know, why not throw
some entertainment at us as well. But I believe if
you're a football fan and this is really a no no, well.

Speaker 5 (01:40:43):
You see, I've got a foot in both camps from
being a person that was strongly involved in entertainment and sport.

Speaker 19 (01:40:49):
All my life.

Speaker 5 (01:40:50):
I feel that it can be done in the time frame.
I think that you should make the show. I think
the whole thing is about timing and do I want
a twenty five minute halftime break in a game of sport.
I'm there for the game of sport. The entertainment's there
just to enhance what I'm there for, which is a
game of No matter what entertainer or what entertainments going
on in that sporting occasion, you are not going there

(01:41:12):
for that, for that to watch that. So I say,
bring it on, Bring on the greatest show in the world,
but keep it within the fifteen minutes. That's what, because
we want the guys to have their break at halftime,
get the coaches to talk to them, and come out
and present the game. But I mean doing the whole
Super Bowl thing, no, I mean, I don't think it's
not I don't think it's needed, and that's not what

(01:41:32):
people are buying tickets for.

Speaker 2 (01:41:35):
Well.

Speaker 22 (01:41:36):
Yeah, someone said to me the other day, you know,
make soccer football again, you know. I mean, this is
I think the biggest televised event in the world. You know,
whether or not you can make an argument that they
need a halftime show to draw in the punters, you know,
I think, and I take a slightly more cynical view
of than neck. I think it's all about the ads
around it and how to sell more advertising. And I

(01:41:58):
mean I don't think FIFA were renowned for their you know, integrity,
but now it just seems like every single minute of
the game is for sale.

Speaker 8 (01:42:09):
Yep. Good look.

Speaker 3 (01:42:10):
I'm going to take a slightly more positive approach with it,
and I'm just going to enjoy the enjoy the entertainment tomorrow.
Thank you both so much. Nick Mills and Joe McCarroll.
Spain or Argentina. I don't know who you're backing. I
think I'm sort of leaning towards Spain at this point.
We're going to find out who Jason Pine thinks has
the edge to take the Football World Cup Final tomorrow morning.
That's coming up next.

Speaker 1 (01:42:34):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on News Talks
at BC.

Speaker 9 (01:42:43):
You be the word that sament.

Speaker 3 (01:42:56):
Well, England is going home, not quite with the meddle
that they were hoping, but they've got a medal in
their suitcase, so that's got to be a good thing.
What a crazy game this morning, Jason Pine.

Speaker 4 (01:43:06):
Ten goals, Mental.

Speaker 3 (01:43:08):
I couldn't keep up now. It felt like I was
I was sort of tricking. I was lying to people
because I just keep coming back out of an ad
brak and go, oh another goal, Oh, another goal, Oh,
another goal.

Speaker 4 (01:43:16):
It was like watching the highlights, wasn't it.

Speaker 6 (01:43:18):
Yeah, six'.

Speaker 23 (01:43:19):
FOUR i want to know when the second set, is you,
know mental, score you, know AND i know that there's
nothing really on this, game and as you, say they'll
go home with a bronze. Medal but both of these
teams had designs on winning The World, cup so it's
always going to be a bit of a consolation. Game
you're never really sure how it's going to. GO i
think it's the perfect. Outcome ten, goals guys you know
who are get getting minutes who hadn't. Before the crowd

(01:43:42):
obviously enjoyed. It, look it's the entree to the main
course tomorrow. Morning but, yeah it was some spectacle In
miami six.' four i cannot remember a game with that.

Speaker 10 (01:43:51):
Score line.

Speaker 3 (01:43:52):
Very, entertaining okay so We've Got argentina spain kicking. Off
tomorrow who's got the edged?

Speaker 23 (01:43:56):
YOU think I think spain have just by virtue of
the fact that they, you know they Completely, dismantled france
who were. The, favorites, argentina though are. Serial winners they
have just found a they needed extra time and two
of their knockout games they had to come from behind
and the other two and yet here they Arewn The
world cup final with a fairly handy Player And lionelle
messi in the number. Ten SHIRTS so i really like

(01:44:18):
this as a collision. Of styles, TOMORROW morning i think
It'd Been. Spain england, you, think Okay well spain will
Win That. Spain argentina spain should. Win It, but, argentina
man they just get the job done in lots of.
Different ways they're the masters of the. Dark arts they,
could win they. Could, win okay let's. Took, rugby yep All.

Speaker 3 (01:44:35):
BACKS island i watched the first HALF and i thought,
to myself if you all black's playing really really well
and they are just shutting Down, the irish or If
the irish just not able to find, their feet they're
not really playing as well as. They could they're just
making too many mistakes and they're just not quite on.

Speaker 23 (01:44:56):
Their game combination of both of. THOSE things i think the, first,
thing though is probably. MORE pertinent i think They're all
blacks over these three weeks have worked out their defensive
patterns a lot better because the last two weeks they
seated inside the first two or three minutes in. Both
games so that didn't happen last night against the best
of the three opponents. They face so, that's good. Good,
TICK look i think you know you look back at
the three Matches, in july first Three Under dave rennie

(01:45:19):
and if you're marking out, of ten you say it's
a solid seven out. Of ten, you know big tests
Ahead Against, south africa but three wins from three and
performances which have ramped up each week and a defined.
GAME plan i just think the clarity that exists now
With The all blacks has to be so refreshing for.
THOSE players, I reckon i don't, know THIS but i reckon, they,
say okay here's what we need you. To, do now

(01:45:40):
go ahead and. DO that i think that's the messaging,
absolutely right and.

Speaker 3 (01:45:44):
The same message coming. From, everybody yeah probably health and
hearing those little rumors. As well we cannot not Talk
about ryan folks At The. British open how amazing.

Speaker 23 (01:45:55):
Is this sixty two the lowest or joint lowest ever
round in a. Major championship it's not just shooting it
out the back of his, home course which would be impressive.
As well and he's also up tied, for second just
two shots behind the third. Round Leader ryan fox could Win,
the open he could Win The. Open Championships So bob

(01:46:15):
charles one in. Sixty Three, michael campbell as, we know
the only other key we to win a Men's major
lydia co's won a few, as well, of course So
Could ryan fox add his name? TO this i think
it would be amazing, for him because, you KNOW he's
i Just Love. RYAN fox i just think he's such
A Great. NEW zealander i would love to see him.

Speaker 3 (01:46:34):
Win us we just can't have him putting short BUT.

Speaker 23 (01:46:38):
But, i mean, Good on he's got himself in a
position to win.

Speaker 6 (01:46:41):
A major.

Speaker 3 (01:46:41):
Very exciting who you got on.

Speaker 23 (01:46:42):
The show I've Got tana umuger, after midday looking forward
to chatting.

Speaker 5 (01:46:45):
To Him.

Speaker 23 (01:46:45):
Phil tart he's going to talk to Us About ryan
Fox and warrior's Assistant Coach. Slave griffin they won last night.

Speaker 4 (01:46:51):
As well, of Course the warriors are south at All,
in francisco so much to.

Speaker 3 (01:46:54):
Talk About, Jason pane we're back at Midday With weekend Sport.

Speaker 1 (01:46:58):
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Speaker 2 (01:47:05):
Travel with you woo To us where the world?

Speaker 3 (01:47:08):
Is yours for now it is time to talk Travel
and i'm Joined By, meghan singleton blogger at large.

Speaker 15 (01:47:13):
Dot com, Good morning, good morning my brother And his
english wife and girls. Are staying OH my i WASN'T
really i haven't really been engaged in all.

Speaker 7 (01:47:24):
Of this there has been a lot.

Speaker 15 (01:47:26):
Of, SCREAMING yeah i think there's only one game, to
GO am i right if you.

Speaker 3 (01:47:31):
Haven't got the, Final tomorrow, but oh. How wonderful i'm
so pleased they go on because when It Was, MILTON
england i, was, like oh we've got this, wrapped up
and then you Just watched france come BACK and, i
went you've got to. Be joking, they're not.

Speaker 7 (01:47:43):
And it's a bronze.

Speaker 15 (01:47:44):
Medal game, But anyway i've got a bit OF a
fifa conversation to have with you TODAY because i thought
i'd take Us. To barcelona so Because so barcelona has
actually got eight eight players FROM The fc barcelona playing
In The Spanish, world cup so there.

Speaker 3 (01:48:01):
You go and of course THE Next Fifa world cup
is going to be Held, In spain Portugal and morocco.

Speaker 15 (01:48:07):
So well and then that segues very nicely into the
fact that as, We speak i'm putting Together, A barcelona
Morocco and santorini to it for.

Speaker 7 (01:48:16):
Next year but that's not EVEN what i was going
to talk.

Speaker 3 (01:48:17):
To, you obvious there, we go tell Me. ABOUT barcelona
i also had a good Look at barcelona on the
TELEVISION when i was watching the beginning Of the Tour,
de france, of course and of course Through The. America's
cup it seems to be quite a sporting, little city
and of course there's the obvious wonders there for us
to Yes joy.

Speaker 15 (01:48:37):
Sigrada, familiar however they are so over touristed that they
are Trying to it's been a decade long conversation about
how to reduce tourist Numbers into barcelona because the locals
are just losing the whole culture and losing their ability.

Speaker 24 (01:48:53):
To even live in the city and run businesses in.

Speaker 15 (01:48:56):
The city it's all souvenirs and tourists buying tat so
they've done a. Few things there's taxes of about ten
euros per person per night. On hotels they've put a
moratorium on how many hotels can, be built and the
mayor has just announced proposal to eliminate cruise ships that
only stop for.

Speaker 7 (01:49:16):
One day so things.

Speaker 3 (01:49:18):
Are changing they're trying to bring.

Speaker 15 (01:49:19):
Back the heart Of who Barcelona or, barcelonians are and
they want them to really.

Speaker 7 (01:49:24):
Still keep their heritage and. Their culture they're.

Speaker 15 (01:49:27):
Not trying to, dissuade tourists but they want to promote more,
business tourism cultural tourism and a little bit of leisure
tourism rather than these.

Speaker 7 (01:49:37):
Stay, trippers, yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:49:38):
Exactly exactly but one of the highlights is A Camp new,
stadium tour which is the HOME Of, fc barcelona and
we did that a few.

Speaker 5 (01:49:46):
Years.

Speaker 15 (01:49:46):
Ago now my husband's a die hard rugby man loved the.
STADIUM tour i mean we actually we just thought how
cool would it Be if eaten part did something. Like
this they were even selling sods of grass in box
frames for people to buy and take home because they
just retoothed to, the stadium so you could actually buy
a little PIECE Of fc. Barcelona grass it's, so interactive

(01:50:07):
it's very, very clever, AND yeah i just think it's
something people shouldd and probably wouldn't think about doing when They.

Speaker 7 (01:50:14):
Visit, barcelona yeah it's MY little. Fifa segue and.

Speaker 3 (01:50:19):
This weekend they've got a huge outdoor screen near the
stadium to show.

Speaker 15 (01:50:22):
The, final yes and, it's free so if people Are,
in barcelona that's all. Going off there'll be DJ's music.
AND everything i think the game is a bit late there,
as WELL and i might. Be right it kicks off
at like five pm or seven pm local time, To
them so the gates sort of open like, late afternoon and.
It's hot it's still really hot, over there, but yeah

(01:50:43):
great big. Open air free to come and watch. The
final how cool?

Speaker 8 (01:50:47):
Is?

Speaker 3 (01:50:47):
That yeah and look the two next year sounds, Absolutely
amazing so we'll talk about that at another point. As
well thank you, So, Much megan and of course that
fine will be kicking off here at seven.

Speaker 8 (01:50:55):
A M new.

Speaker 3 (01:50:56):
Zealand time it's twelve to twelve.

Speaker 2 (01:51:01):
Books with wiggles For The best Election Of. Great reads.

Speaker 3 (01:51:07):
Joining me Now is, joan McKenzie head book Bar. At wickls,
Good morning, good, morning right you got a couple of
new books, FOR us. I do the first one is.

Speaker 24 (01:51:15):
A thriller It's Called the KINGPIN By Aa darned dhand
and he's written a number of, prior books but this
is the second one in this. Particular series the first
one Was Called, the Chemist and i've read rave reviews.
About IT but i believe you can pick this one
up without Having Read, the chemist because it worked. FOR
me i DID and i had no problems getting into.

Speaker 3 (01:51:36):
THE story I Interviewed, aa dannt, fascinating guy because of
course he was, a pharmacist, get, exactly yes and the
chemist was a, Great yarn.

Speaker 24 (01:51:44):
Yes EXACTLY so i was about to tell you that
the lead character in this book is a Guy Called
idris kahn who's a pharmacist in the City, of leeds
and it appears that he got involved in something nasty
in the first book because there was a murder which
brought him to the attention of a police inspector who
is himself, terminally unwell feels he's got nothing to lose
and he's keen to tie up a few. Loose Ends

(01:52:06):
and idris's pharmacy is located next door to a housing
estate where he supplies methodone to a whole lot of
junkies who call, it home and he also hands out
regular scripts for the rest of the. Local population and
this estate has, a ruthless notorious guy. In charge it
reads like real. Gangland Stuff and idris is put under

(01:52:27):
pressure when his brother suddenly. Arrives unexpectedly he's been, in
prison and he has, a proposition which is that the
two of them should take over the drug supply for
the Whole of Leeds, and bradford which would mean getting
rid of the big guy who currently. Runs it and
what's really done well in, THIS book i think is
the moral and ethical dilemma because he's got these great,

(01:52:48):
pharmaceutical skills as clearly does, the author and it's easy
for him to make a murders seem like a. Medical
event and while he and his brother are planning their,
next moves the dying police inspector comes calling with a
nice piece. Of Blackmail if idris will use his talents
to help get rid of some of the CoP's, own
enemies then he won't be prosecuted.

Speaker 3 (01:53:07):
For murder he's a. Great protagonist it's a really unique kind. Of,
setup yeah it's, really, Good, Excellent okay i'm looking forward.
To that tell Me About The, Bookshop detectives Murder. And
mahito's so.

Speaker 24 (01:53:19):
This is, more murder but in a much, more jolly.
Frivolous sense this is the third in a Series Called
The bookshop Detectives By louise Ward And, gareth ward her
booksellers who Live In, hawks bay and they've based this
best selling series of cozy murder mysteries in and around
a fictional bookshop They've Called sherlock Homes And havelock north

(01:53:40):
and it features The booksellers Garth, and aloise so you
can see the names are very similar to the names of,
our authors so you kind of get where this. Is
going prior to their Ownership Of, sherlock tomes the fictional
couple we're in the police force IN, the uk which
is exactly the same background of. These authors still, with, me,
Yes okay so this is the third in the series

(01:54:00):
In Which sherlock homes is off the opportunity to host
an event with the So called Queen of Crime, from
cuba who's coming To The hawks bay as part Of
an art, deco festival given That both cuba And The
hawks bay have similar. Architectural styles but of course nothing
goes as it should and everything descends into chaos and
the Owners Of sherlock homes start receiving a series of

(01:54:22):
deliveries of Books, about cuba which you might think were Coles,
to newcastle but there's a coded reason. For, it aloise our,
fictional heroine has been haunted by an apparently obsessed serial
Killer Named, arthur pinter and at first he seems he's
organized these deliveries through a, rival BOOKSHOP as, i guess literary.
Calling cards all the way FROM, the uk but then

(01:54:44):
they realize that he's actually, in town walking the Streets Of,
havelock north and it turns out that This mister pinter
was the first literary agent Of The cuban Queen. Of
crime so our, literary heroes with their, police backgrounds these
were detectives are perfectly suited to figuring out what is
up to and dealing with the bodies along.

Speaker 7 (01:55:04):
The, way okay is this?

Speaker 24 (01:55:05):
Adult young, it's adult, it's cozy, it's witty, it's funny,
it's warm it's, hugely entertaining it's.

Speaker 3 (01:55:12):
Really, clever okay. Love it thank you, So. Much joan those,
two books the last One Was The Bookshop detectives Murder
and Mahitos By gareth Ward And, louise ward And Also
the KINGPIN By.

Speaker 24 (01:55:23):
Aa darn and let me just say there's a couple
more days for all of the young people out there
to go and vote In The Whit Cause kids, top
fifty which we'll be launching later. This year so tell
us your three favorite books and they'll go in the
mix for the. Final List.

Speaker 1 (01:55:35):
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Speaker 3 (01:55:44):
Thank you for your text throughout, the show somebody texts
me to say good on. Your friendship so let's enjoy
the free entertainment in. The game are we really getting
upset because we're getting more? For less and somebody talking
about this halftime show that's going to take place at
the Feath Of World. Cup final it's just you and
me because everybody else around here is not really on
board about having this music. Extreme again are in the

(01:56:06):
middle of a. Football, GAME anyway i shall. Enjoy it
thank you so Much to currie for producing. The Show
jason pine is up Next With. Weekend sport. Next week on,
THE show I have carlevin. With me he's got a
brand new FILM Called. I object really looking forward to
catching up, with Him And kristin Moral From golden horse
has a new solo album coming Out. On friday says
she is going to join us and we're going to

(01:56:27):
enjoy some of her beautiful. New music, take care enjoy
the rest Of. Your sunday i'll see you, Next.

Speaker 2 (01:56:33):
Week jesus thank.

Speaker 1 (01:56:40):
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