Full Show Podcast: 26 April 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 3 (00:29):
Good morning, welcome to the Sunday Session. I'm Prettescue Rudkion.
Good to have you with us on this long and
zach weekend. Coming up on the show today, mental health
advocate Jazz Thornton joins me to talk about her new documentary,
it's called Stalked. Back in twenty twenty four, Thornton began
receiving obsessive messages from a stranger overseas. Next thing she
knew he had traveled to New Zealand and was sitting

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outside her house. Varing for her safety. C rang the
police and was given a crash course in dealing with
a stalker. She joins me to share her story and
also the terrifying stories of other women who have been
stalked in New Zealand. So Jazz Thornton is with me
out the ten after eleven Ossie Legend James rain As
with us to reflect on almost fifty years in the

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music industry ahead of his tour to New Zealand celebrating
forty years. Since it was early bands, Australian Crawl came
to an end. Australian Crawl. Look, they're one of the
great pub rock bands of the early eighties. Though I
much loved here in New Zealand. Two I talked to
James about what he learned from his time in the
band and life on the road as a young man.
James Rain is with us after eleven and of course,

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as always, your most welcome to text anytimes throughout the morning.
Ninety two ninety.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Two the Sunday session.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
While it was a rather chaotic eventful week in politics,
wasn't it, some actual business took place. The New Zealand
India Free Trade Agreement was confirmed by Labor agreeing to
support it. The Finance Minister acknowledge the economy has been
disrupted by the volatility of the oil prices since the
Iran conflict began, and the Prime Minister took it upon
himself to call for a caucus confidence vote after weeks

(02:03):
of speculation about his leadership. Secure his position now and
most likely until the election, but it was also a
week of nonsense. Aside from this rare slip of descent
within the National Party, it was also a week of
coalition friction, unnecessary comments about Willis's weight and migrants, and
apologies or refusals to apologize. It was a week of

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whining about the media, bizarre late night door knocking and
a complaint laid by the National Party about those persistent
door knockers from TV and zed's political team. And then
the Prime Minister put his foot down and decided to
cancel his regular Monday morning TV slot on TV and
z's Breakfast show. The door knockers had given the Prime
Minister a passable excuse to step away from Breakfast. We

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had been struggling with interviews and he took it. He's
entitled to as here the Dupliciella noted on Friday afternoon,
we have very good access to politicians here in New
Zealand and yet it's a mistake. It looks weak in
a week when the Prime Minister was trying to look
like he was in command. The relationship between politicians and
the media is a codependent one, but the balance shifts

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in an election year when politicians need the media a
little more to give them visibility to sell policy and
project leadership and credibility and authority. Quite simply, they need
to be heard. And of course the media needs politicians too.
Just look at the headlines and attention Tover O'Brien's interactions
with the Prime Minister have given breakfast. But beyond creating

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content and audience engagement, there is a more substantial reason
the media needs politicians, and that is, of course, to
hold them to account, and for that you need access.
I don't mind Christopher Luxen's faffs, his missteps and interviews.
I actually think there's something quite refreshing, refreshing about his
lack of political intuition, his ability at times to swat

(03:51):
a question away without answering it. He appears human. He
should be more relaxed about the gotcha moments and not
get flustered trying to get out of them. I know
it's easier said than done, you know, when you're on
in the National spotlight. But with his leadership confirmed, National
needs to do something to improve its polling and solidify

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their position leading the coalition come election day. TV appearances
are a long standing and recurring weakness. The Prime Minister
hasn't appeared in TVNZ's Q and A with Jack Tame
since December twenty twenty four, so it's understandable this is
a step they've taken. But Judith Collins's words about Jacinda
Adurn canceling her weekly interview slot with Newstools of BS

(04:33):
Mike Hosking in twenty twenty one keep bringing in my
years as a national leader. At the time, she told
a radio station, I think what you're seeing is the
absolute arrogance of this government. She went on to question
whether Adourn didn't like hard questions. The point is those
hard questions are actually what you get paid for, she said.
You might be able to peck and choose whose hard

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questions you answer, but be careful. It doesn't look too
much like you just can't handle the pressure. Anyway. Only
twenty eight more weeks until the election, there's little charm.
It will be.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Boring the Sunday session.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
I'm actually not sure whether a lot of people key
whether Luckxon turns up on breakfast or not. But on
principle and in general, we do expect our politicians to
turn up and be held accountable, keen to hear Your
Thoughts ninety two ninety two. Barry Sopa, it's going to
be talking politics with us this warning. We'll get his
view on this shortly. It is twelve past.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
Nine a Sunday with Style, the Sunday Session with Francesca
Rudkin and Wiggles for the best selection of Greg Reeds.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Please talk zebby.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
Thank you for the texts, Tony text tos say Francesca
TV and ZED and two people in particular have been
getting far too big for their boots. Luxon should have
canceled his Monday Mornings with Breakfast ages Ago and another
text lux and canceling the Morning show because honestly, how
many people watch it? If he sticks with z B
and Radio New Zealand, that will be enough. I'm absolutely
over the one eyed reporting. Just Sinda didn't get that

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much grief. Thank you for your texts.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
You can fight for the Sunday Session by.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
Them th ninety two ninety two, Right vow. Cancer is
the biggest cause of cancer deaths in kiwis under fifty Yet,
as has been very much talked about in recent times,
our national screening program doesn't kick in until fifty eight.
Noticing a gap and the ability to screen younger kiwis.
GP doctor Clive Price has set up a screening company

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called True Screen, and he joins me, now, good morning Clive,
thanks for being with.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
Us, Good morning Francesca. Thank you for having us on
the show this morning.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
So tell me why did you feel the need to
make these tests accessible to kiwis.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
So my wife and I and our two young boys
moved to New Zingland eighteen months ago and I just
wanted to say thank you for everyone being so welcoming.

Speaker 5 (06:49):
We absolutely love it. It's been the best move.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
But one of the things that we noticed is every
single year in the UK we used to do a
private bowel cancer test and when we were settled, when
I logged onto the internet here, I noticed that there
wasn't any SO that was delivering this. So there was
a big gap in the market. And you know, there's
a lot of demand as well, because bowel cancer rates

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are increasing in those under fifties and it's so prevalent
in those under fifties as well, and as you've mentioned,
the biggest cancer killer and under fifties and working as
a GP, I've literally had patients come in and say, hi, doctor,
I would like a bowel cancer test.

Speaker 5 (07:30):
If that's okay, and.

Speaker 4 (07:31):
If they're under that fifty eight year old threshold where
public screening starts, then there's up until now really nothing
that I've been able to offer them. So it was
about just filling that gap in the market really and
offering a service to ta kiwis.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
Is there common clive in the UK would a lot
of people be doing sort of a yearly taste.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
So I think it's worth saying the government screening program
in New Zealand starts at the age of fifty eight
and runs to seventy four. In the UK it was
a little bit different because the screening program run from
the age of fifty, so it having a little bit
more coverage essentially, whereas New Zealand's not not until a

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little bit later, so more people were covered in the UK.
Having said that, I think Keuis are really proactive. I've
noticed really kind of proactive about their health. I get
lots of people coming in and asking questions about being
proactive and you know, screening blood pressure, that sort of stuff.

Speaker 5 (08:34):
So it's good.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
It's good to hear, isn't it. So definitely with our
current screening age, what does it take for someone under
systy presenting with symptoms to get tasted.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
So under the age of fifty eight, essentially referral and
diagnosis is being guided by symptoms, so there's no proactive screening.
You're waiting until you get symptoms. So the main symptoms
we talk about is a change in bow habit and
that's too a kind of loose often a looser diarrhea type,

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stall pattern, abdominal pain, reptal bleeding, or weight loss. And
it's important to say, if you've got any of those symptoms,
you should see your GP straight away, really as soon
as possible. So you're waiting until you've got those symptoms.
And the thing that's important to say is sometimes that
can be too late. You know, by the time you've

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got those symptoms, things could have already developed a little bit.
So we're trying to kind of, you know, bring in
a culture of screening before you get those symptoms, to
you know, help pick things up earlier when they're often
more treatable.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
Yes, an apologies, you're right under fifty eight, so without
private insurance, there's been limited to no excess uptor now
the teeth is it right?

Speaker 4 (09:50):
I think it's important to say there definitely is access.
It's just targeted at the higher risk patients. So those
under fifty if you mentioned, can find it more difficult
to get access to referrals. But it definitely still exists
and if you've got symptoms or concerns, you should still
see your GP. It's just targeted at that kind of older,

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older age range.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
And they have been tastes available, like you could pick
up a TISTS and a pharmacy. Is that the lightest
technology available.

Speaker 5 (10:22):
So that's a really good point Francesca.

Speaker 4 (10:25):
And one of the things I noticed when I've been
in New Zealand that we didn't have in the UK.
You can go into a lot of pharmacies and you
can pick up these tests called FOB tests a Cault
blood tests.

Speaker 5 (10:36):
Now, the problem with those is they are using an
older technology.

Speaker 4 (10:40):
It essentially doesn't differentiate between blood and your poo. It
picked up microscopic blood in your poo, so it just
doesn't differentiate between whether that comes from your diet or yourself.

Speaker 5 (10:50):
So the problem with that is they're not very reliable.
You get a lot.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
Of what we call false positives, so positive tests when
you don't have anything, and it's also not as sensitive
for bowel cancer as well, so you're missing a lot
of bowel cants tests. So it's old technology that's being
phased out, right, and that's why we're really focusing on
this FIT test, which is newer, more accurate technology.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
Okay, so when you say diet, meaning if you're eating
a lot of animal meat, you could be you could
the animal blood could be picked.

Speaker 5 (11:18):
Up exactly exactly that.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
Yeah, yeah, tell me about these FIT tests because they
are the gold standard and testing, aren't they.

Speaker 5 (11:26):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (11:27):
So FIT tests are essentially Yeah, I guess you could
say the gold standard test for screening on a population basis.
They use a newer technology that's lab processed, and that
means that they're more accurate. Essentially, you get less of
these false positives and you pick up more more cancers
as well, and that compares to the older kind of

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FOB tests.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
You've been up and running for only seven weeks. You've
already heard I think three positive results from approximately three
hundred tests, is it.

Speaker 5 (12:02):
Right, Yeah, that's absolutely correct.

Speaker 4 (12:04):
So I mean when I started true screen, I thought
it would be a matter of time. You know, at
some point we would get a positive test that would
make a real difference, but I was shocked. After about
two or three weeks we had a positive patient. Then
essentially they had a referral from their GP for a

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colonoscopy and they We've actually had two patients that have
picked up life saving the findings. So, for example, one
of the patient was a gentleman in his forties. He
was bought the test by his wife as a present
and that ended up being positive. He then went for
colonoscopy and had a four sentiment of growth in his

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bow that fortunately has now been completely removed and he's
doing absolutely great. But he didn't have any symptoms at
the time, which just goes to show you know how
important screening can be, because if he waited until fifty
eight until the government screening started kicking in, things would
have been potentially very, very different.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
And that's what you're doing people the ability to be
proactive with their health. How important do you think that
that is, that we can kind of take a little
bit more control of our health.

Speaker 4 (13:15):
I think it's so important, and I think, from my
perspective is one of the things in medicine's general we
may have slightly the wrong way round. We can be
very reactive to medicine rather than proactive. I think it's
all about starting much earlier and taken kind of, you know,
small steps to prevent things from getting you know, kind

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of worse and more treatable at the beginning.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
Clive, how does it work? How does true screen work?

Speaker 4 (13:44):
So we've really kind of tried to aim to get
things as easy as possible. So you can just log
onto our website, which is thruscreen dot co dot nz
and there's lots of information on there to give people,
you know, lots of information to decide, you know, whether
the test is right for them. If you need more
information as well, you can always speak to your GP

(14:05):
about things to to run through things. But essentially you
just ordered the tests online, it gets sent to your home,
It comes with a mailer that sends it onwards to
the lab and then I get the results a few
days after that. Importantly, I will call any positive patient
and talk to them about what they need to do
next to get ongoing tests and referrals.

Speaker 5 (14:26):
So we've really tried to make it as easy as possible.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
Clive, So pleased do you move to New Zealand?

Speaker 5 (14:31):
Thanks for having us. I cannot say how much we
love it here.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
It's the best place in the world ever since I
got off that plane, I just felt completely at home.
It's beautiful and my children are just so happy here.
So thank you everyone, and yeah, amazing place.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
Oh really nice to talk to you. That was GP
doctor Clive Price and he has sit up the screening
company called True Screen with the Sunday session. Okay, so
last week on the show, I mentioned that I was
hitting to Christju to help my son by a cant
and I talked about how we'd embraced AI to do this.
In the good news is I think we've found a cat,
got a really sensible middle age women's car for my

(15:08):
young adult. Very excited about it. And look Ai, looking
back on the exercise now, Ai, it was a great
time saver. It was really good at organizing and comparing
all the cars we'd found. It was pretty good at
ranking them. It gave us really good information as to
what looked for. Basically, it sort of gave us, gave

(15:28):
us some structure. We didn't have a lot of time
right on a beautiful, wet, freezing cold wendy day in
Christy on Wednesday. But oh Thursday, oh you Shan christ Church.
But we managed to get around a good mix of
cars and visit quite a few k yards, so you know,
in that sense it worked really really well. But AI
can only go so far when it comes to recommendations,

(15:50):
and as I suspected, I couldn't. You couldn't solely rely
on what Ai'd given me, because you still can't buy
a car without some human help. You still need someone
to get that car up on the hoist and give
it a good once over. And the most valuable person
will service in this whole quest to buy a car
is my new friend Dan at check King, who did

(16:10):
a really thorough job of investigating cars for us. Highly
recommend him. I did pay him, so this is this
is a genuine recommendation, but it was a reminder at
this stage I can't do it all. So you know,
it did its bit, But at the end of the day,
it still came down to the practical side of things
that only a human can do at the stage, and

(16:31):
that's a you know, a test drive and an inspection.
So all the am oh jail, I'm hoping I don't
have to look at another car for quite a long time.
It is twenty five past nine year with Newstalks ATB.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on Newstalks at B.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
I got a text saying check King are amazing, well
worth the spend when buying a car. I completely agree.
I was very very impressed with the report I got. Anyway,
it's time to talk politics. We're joined now by Barry
Soper News Talks. He'd be senior correspondent.

Speaker 6 (17:04):
Good morning, good morning.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
The French love you to talk to you about it now.
Luckson's confidence vote is that it are we done and dusted?
We all thought it. He will be there on election day,
leaving the party.

Speaker 7 (17:15):
Well, it depends on who you listen to, doesn't it really.
If you listen to Winston Peters for example, he thought
that he'd made a tactical error because putting a confidence
vote to caucus then makes a subsequent vote that much
easier to move by anyone else in caucus. But my

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view is that the National Party have looked at itself
over the past week and have thought we were there once.
We had you know, Simon Bridges, we had Todd Miller,
we had Judith Collins, all in the space of just
a few months.

Speaker 6 (17:53):
So the party.

Speaker 7 (17:55):
If it wants to go into an election doing reasonably well,
then it's got to be seen as being unified. And
I think they've probably learned a lesson from luck moving
that vote in himself a highly unusual thing. I've never
heard of it before, a prime minister in his first
term doing such a thing.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
Okay, Luckson's decision to cancel his weekly catch up with
Topa O'Brien on TV one's Breakfast, is this a way
to maybe contain what he's not quite so sort of
to you know, he's been struggling a bit with those appearances.
So is it like looking at him going where are

(18:39):
his weaknesses? Okay, let's just narrow this down a little
bit and take a bit more control. Or is it
actually a justifiable excuse considering the way the TV in zaid,
you know press gallery has been behaving in Willington.

Speaker 7 (18:56):
Well, yes, the press Gallery. Certainly there's a complaint now
and yet again to TV in zaid about the behavior
of journalists and the gallery.

Speaker 6 (19:07):
But look, my view always has been.

Speaker 7 (19:09):
Francesca was a bit like Jasin Dardern when she canceled
her weekly chat with Mike Hosking, breaking a tradition that
goes back over thirty years, and I would.

Speaker 6 (19:21):
Think that going into an election you.

Speaker 7 (19:23):
Need all the outlets then that you can possibly garner.
But the thing is, you know, when you really consider
what all the mistakes, the level of mistakes that Chris
Luxen may have made in interviews, but I'm not that significant.

Speaker 6 (19:42):
The last one with Tov O'Brian.

Speaker 7 (19:44):
Was of course not to know how many Moldy he
had in his cabinet. Well, I think that's a good thing, frankly,
because you don't look at the.

Speaker 6 (19:54):
Ethnicities in your cabinet. You look at the people that
are there able to do a job.

Speaker 8 (19:59):
I don't care.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
About the Faftsberry, I find them. I just find they
make them a little bit more humanized. She find. You know,
there are lots of other politicians who you can hear
give the exact answer you expect them to give. I
quite like the fact I never quite know what's going
to happen.

Speaker 7 (20:13):
So do I, and I'd absolutely agree with you. And
I don't know why they do get so embarrassed. I mean,
we know on the airwaves that every now and then
you'll make a mistake.

Speaker 6 (20:26):
But people tend to get over it. Pretty quickly.

Speaker 7 (20:28):
But when you're the Prime minister, you live in a
goldfish bowl and you're meant to.

Speaker 6 (20:32):
Swim in the right direction all the time. But look,
that's not always possible.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
Hey, Barry, I want to talk about your book. It's
out on Tuesday. It's called One Last Question Prime Minister.
From Mouldoon to Luxe and Untold Stories from the House
of Parliament. It's quite quite a long title there, Barry.
But vot you voted Helen Clark top John Key second,
When you look at the leaders we have had in
your time covering politics, do you see that type of

(20:59):
leadership potential in parliament?

Speaker 6 (21:01):
Now, well, that's a question I haven't really considered.

Speaker 7 (21:07):
I guess there are sort of up and coming people
in Parliament, but look I haven't really, to be perfectly honest,
looked at members of Parliament and thinking well, in the
future they.

Speaker 6 (21:19):
Could make a good leader, because leaders tend to come
out of nowhere.

Speaker 7 (21:23):
Although Helen Clark she had a very long apprenticeship before
she became the Prime minister. She'd been Deputy Prime Minister
of course under Jeffrey Palmer, so she was on the
way up, and we certainly knew that she would be
there at some stage. But I think when I singled
her out, the fact is that she knew how to

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manage people in a way that some other prime ministers
have not been so good at doing. And I look
at David Longi for that that he could not handle
his cabinet and his caucus colleagues well at all. He
was a showman prime minister, and people like for that.

Speaker 6 (22:07):
So people like their prime ministers the different things.

Speaker 7 (22:10):
But I think what they should always look at in
a person who leads the country is a person that
is intellectually basically there to be able to do the
job with some sort of in depth knowledge of not
just the political system, but of the electorate that they

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serve and what best they can do for that electorate.
So there are many components, and being a prime minister
it's a hell of a job. It's a lonely job,
and unless you've got very good advisors around you, it's
just made that harder.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
We can't not talk about you, Cinda. People are still
so triggered by her apologies audience. Do you call her
an impostor?

Speaker 6 (22:55):
Well, no, she called herself an impostor. Actually that was
sort of picked out. She said she suffered from impostor syndrome.

Speaker 7 (23:03):
And all I basically said, rightly so, so I guess
that's calling her impostor. But she was a person that
had nine years in politics, was never really known for
doing very much in that nine years, and in that
final year before the twenty seventeen election, it came as

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a shock even to her that she would be in
the position of being a prime minister. And I said,
right from the start, when I knew that in the
end Winston Peters would make the decision, I said, you'd
better get used to the idea of prime minister just
in durn Now. At the beginning, I liked the idea

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of a young woman, you know, being in the.

Speaker 6 (23:52):
Role because we'd never seen that before. There'd been a
bit more experienced, like Jenny Shipley and Helen Clark.

Speaker 7 (23:59):
But this was a young woman, thirty seven years old,
and I thought, you know, a liberal thinking young woman.
I thought, this is good for New Zealand. It gives
us sort of a modern take on the rest of
the world. But unfortunately that for me sad fairly quickly
when I really got to know her, got to travel

(24:20):
with her, and you know, I realized what her Prime
ministership was all about. And essentially, and I know people
won't like me saying this, it was all about her.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
Barry so lovely to talk to you. I cannot wait
to read the book. It's out on Tuesday. It's called
One Last Question Prime Minister. From Molding to Luxe and
un Todd Stories from the House of Parliament. You with
News Talks AB. It is twenty three to ten.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
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Speaker 3 (24:50):
Thank you for your text, Francesca. I agree with you
about Luxe and his media faux pas make a more
human and not the polished, predictable career politician. It's actually
an endearing part of his demeanor. And another text here
lux and can't answer the questions from Toper. That's way
he's running scared from breakfast, So thank you for those
ninety two ninety two. Some experts have raised concerns that
the government fuel response is not proactive enough. A month ago,

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the government detailed our response phases and what would trigger
a move between phases. We currently remain in phase one,
which means there are no fuel restrictions in place to
talk us through his thoughts on the current approach. Engineering
consultant and the chair of Wise Response Society, Nathan surrendering
is worth me now, Good morning, Nathan, Thank Francesca. Okay,
in your view, where are we in terms of meeting

(25:32):
the criteria for moving phases?

Speaker 9 (25:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (25:36):
Yeah, so the criteria are export restrictions at source refineries
have been met, stock changes plus and minus three days
since the last updates. You could say that's been met
a couple of times over the last few weeks. Fuel
companies cannot feel future orders not officially met, but there's
certainly you know, talk of sort of rushing within the

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supply chain in New Zealand and allocations to specific sectors.
The significant Ia or Australia policy change criteria has been
met as well. So that's at least three, probably four
of the criteria that have been met according to the
government's own published wording.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
Okay, other countries like Australia have already made changes. Should
we be comparing ourselves to them? Should we see more
productive measures in place?

Speaker 10 (26:25):
I believe so, not just countries like Australia, but also
our supply partners. Singapore and South Korea are both are
major supply partners who we get over eighty percent of
our refined product from, and they have all put in
place changes and they're all in the process of, you know,
signaling further changes as the situation continues to worsen unfortunately, So.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Nathan, it does more about incoming shipments more than the
stock that we have in the country.

Speaker 10 (26:55):
I think it's really yeah. I mean, you know, the
stock levels have remained reasonably consistent over the last few weeks.
There's been up and and downwards movements. As you know,
we've drawn down on fuel and it's been replenished. It's
the forward environment and the global environment that I think
we needs be paying attention to because you know, supplies

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our tightening. As I say, we've been drawing down on
reserves that's both you know, the strategic reserves and also
floating reserves oil and tankers that was already was already
around the place, and so we're now in a situation
where those margins are being eroded and the situation, the
outlook from the analysts I'm looking at is worsening by
the day.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
Is the seas fire made a tangible difference though.

Speaker 10 (27:40):
No, not really. You know, there's a few movements of
ships through the strait during that seafire period, but very
little really, and we're talking about you know, a probably
forty to fifty day lag between ships leaving the straight
offore moves and the arriving at Singapore and certainly South
Korea because it's a bit further. Those tankers move about

(28:01):
the speed of a bicycle and so it takes time.
There's a lag in the system. And so what we're
seeing now is the last of the pre conflict shipments
arrive in places like South Korea, and there really isn't
additional places to source it from beyond there. You know
that we've lost five ten percent at least of the

(28:23):
global supply. And yeah, there's the potential if the conflict
escalates for further shipments coming out through the pipeline across
Saudi Arabia to be disrupted as well.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
So what measures would you like to say right now?

Speaker 10 (28:38):
Well, I mean, we should at least be at phase two,
right you know, we should be saying that we should
be conserving fuel. It takes time for people to adapt,
you know, you have to think through and what can
I actually do without How can I you know, economize
and make do and yeah, to some extent, price maybe
forcing that issue. I think there is you know, signs

(28:58):
that there's a lot of actual economic distress as a
result of the price increases. But I think, you know,
people just need time to adapt. And if we get
to a situation where we're not signaling to people to
start thinking about and making these changes strongly enough, then
the assumption is the government's got under control, everything's fine,

(29:22):
keep calm and carry on. And I don't think that
that is a sensible risk mitigation strategy if you think
about it in terms of, you know, the potential was
running out of fuel to signal rationing and to kind
of you know, force people to tighten their belts a
bit now is a prudent risk management strategy. To do
nothing and then be caught short the fuel is potentially

(29:46):
really bad.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
Yeah, do you think we are close to phase two?

Speaker 10 (29:52):
Well, as I said at the beginning of this, the
criteria have been met, so we should be at phase two.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
Okay, all right then, Nathan, really nice to talk to you.
Thank you so much. That was Nathan Surrender and there
from the Wise Response Society, just talking about his thoughts.
You're a couple of articles in the paper just recently,
just a lot of people saying, actually we should just
be kind of taping a little bit more cautious than
we are at present, coming up next to a very important story.

(30:21):
Claire Sherwood, who you will of course know, is our
christ each news director and reader. We've turned her into
an investigative journalist and we've got her on a very
serious mission. So she is going to be with us shortly.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
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Speaker 11 (30:39):
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Speaker 3 (31:41):
A New Stadium prescribe plenty of rugby and a deep
fried pie a sandwich price Chitch really does have it
all at the moment, doesn't it.

Speaker 14 (31:50):
So?

Speaker 3 (31:50):
Amongst the stadium chat on Friday, I was hearing a
bit about this particular delicacy on offer at the New Stadium.
It's a deep fried pie sandwich made by fine dining
establishment an arti so christ Chitch news director and reader
clear Showood mentioned it to Ryan Bridge, which she probably
shouldn't have done, because we then have sent her off
to try one for us, and Claire joins us. Now,

(32:12):
good morning, good morning. Is this the peak of your
investigative journalist career?

Speaker 6 (32:16):
Oh?

Speaker 15 (32:17):
Look, there are worse things I've done for work, I'll
tell you that much, friends, She scatt and I was
actually quite excited about it, but it was quite a
journey to go and find it, because I do have
to say that the new stadium, for all its amazingness
and how wonderful it is and the incredible food offerings,
like that's a big thing that you've heard a lot about,
is that this particular place in Nati is selling from

(32:37):
a co lab food space, which is not easy to find,
I have to say. And no one really knew where
I was going, but I was going up and down
and then scooting under. I don't even know if I was
meant to be there. To be fair, it was out
the back of the sweets where all the kind of
bougie the coaches, the media, all of that area. But
I found it. I locked in the goods. I let
your team know I had it, I tried it, I
got feedback. I've been thinking about it ever since. It's

(32:59):
an experience in itself.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
Okay, first thing, we should probably let those who were
not in the know. And Nati is a pretty and
see fine dining restaurant, isn't it It is.

Speaker 15 (33:08):
Indeed, it's a fine dining restaurant, so fine dining. I've
never actually gone there, but I've heard a lot about
it from a lot of people. It's the sort of
place that I was looking at their menu this morning
to kind of refresh my mind because I have heard
a whole lot about it, and it's all over socials.
They're the sort of place that serves, you know, oysters
with ice cream and pickled salery for example, for forty
five dollars a plate. It's one of those sort of
chef's table, chef's experiences places. Most people tend to go

(33:32):
there and say, look, surprise us and let the chef
take the take control. Or you can go and buy
small plates to share with friends. But it's pretty boogie,
it's pretty high end.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
Okay, so the pie sandwich has actually been around for
a while, but I'm not sure I've ever seen one
for sale. And this is a pie sandwich on another level,
right it is.

Speaker 15 (33:51):
And my husband is like, Claire, I will make you
one of my own. Because he went to a school,
a boys school here in christ Church, and he tells
me that they used to go to the canteen and
get sounds like they used to get like a pannini
and cut the end off the panini and kind of
gut the bread and then put the pie in and
eat it. He tried the one at the game on Friday.
He also has had his one at high school many times.
He rates his one highly. So I managed to do

(34:13):
some further investigative work. But you know, it's kind of
been around for a long time. I've never in my
life seen it sold. I've never in my life heard
of the pie being double deep fried either.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
It doesn't need to be. What does that add?

Speaker 6 (34:26):
Now?

Speaker 15 (34:27):
Surprisingly that made it taste. You know when you get
a spring roll and it's one of those sort of
fanciest spring rolls and the pastry on the outside is
thicker and crunchier, you know, you can kind of see
the bubbling in the pastry. That's what this was. So
it was two pieces of white bread, just soft white bread.
The pie itself was pretty significant, like a good inch,
like a big steak and cheese pie. Then double deep fried,

(34:50):
so it was super super super crispy on the outside.
Then it's placed into this you know, carry tray and
cheese sauce with ketchups oozed over the top. I know
it sounds kind of gross, but I actually enjoyed it
more than I expected I would. It for me well, look,
I shared it. It was significant seventeen dollars. So seventeen

(35:14):
dollars which seems a lot. However, myself, my husband, and
my eight year old dated, so you know, it was
a fairly good experience value for money wise. The crunch
was delicious. I would say a little bit hotter might
have been okay, But perhaps i'd heard Ryan Raving about
it and they made extras, you know, and it didn't
sell as quickly. I'm not sure, but I would probably
give it an eight out of ten. I think I

(35:34):
would go and buy it again.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
Okay, this is good. I feel like we owe you
seventeen dollars for going on this very large I'll get
Curry to flick it down to you. Looks as someone
who's been there through all at christ Church has endured.
What was it like being there in the stadium on
Friday night?

Speaker 14 (35:51):
Oh?

Speaker 15 (35:51):
It was just I mean, I don't even know if
you can put it into words. And I think that's
been the description from so many people, particularly can Tabs,
who have, like you say, been through it all in
all of these years. I listened to a bit of
audio played out on ZB yesterday and it was it
was the announcement and I being there myself when they
announced that the twenty eleven World Cup that christ Church
was going to get to know rugby games, and it

(36:13):
was just gutting. You know, we'd already lost so much.
I feel myself wanting to sitt of get choked up
now about it. It was awful because we had hope
at that time that maybe we'll get something at one
of the high school grounds and they'll put some temporary
stands up and we'll get something. And that moment when
they said not that's that christ Church can't do it,
it was like an absolute dagger. And you know, despite

(36:33):
all of the loss and their lives and the change
that the city's gone through, I really feel like this
moment of having that stadium opens kind of our twenty
eleven World Cup. There's been lots of nerves around with
how it would go in terms of the turf holding
up and the flow of people, and twenty five thousand
people for your first sort of trial events as a
hell of a lot. But they nailed it. It was

(36:53):
excellent from the minute you got in. The entire experience
was really just it was just something else. It's not
a stadium it's not a rugby game, it's not even
Super Rugby Super Round. It is so much more than that.
And for the people here and Krashi, I think it
has been the real boost that we've needed. And I
just I congratulate all those sort of worked really hard
on it, because you know, I've been there at all

(37:15):
those press conferences, are still on the pitch when it
was still a muddy pile of dirt, and I know
that there's been a hell of a lot of work
going to it and they've nailed it. So those who
haven't been, I sat next to some Auklanders on Friday
night and a lovely guy from Silverdale who said, gosh,
I'm going to go home and tell everyone they've got
to come. And so I think that's the sort of
end result is if you haven't been this weekend, you've

(37:36):
got to make sure you come.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
Clear, love you to talk to you. Thank you so
much for spending what sounds like quite a considerable amount
of time finding the deep fried pie sandwich for US
eight out of ten Clear ranked at seventeen bucks, feed
three of them, though not bad. I've got another text
from someone who said Petros at one New Zealand Stadium
in Chrast, which was so good and yummy food. I'll
buy whatever I'll buy whenever I'm in the stadium. It

(37:58):
sounds like the food might be a little bit flesher
than Eden Park. So good on your crash, which it's
sounding fantastic. It is five to ten.

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Speaker 3 (38:14):
Jazz Thornton is behind a brand new documentary series coming
out which everybody should watch. It's called Stalked. Jazz was
stalked by a man who lived on the other side
of the world. He became obsessed with her, sent some
messages and the next thing she knew, he was sitting
outside her house sending her quite concerning messages. Anyway, she
shares her story with us, but in the documentary she

(38:34):
also features two other very brave women who have come
forward to share their stories about being stalked. And I'll
tell you what their stories are unbelievable and quite terrifying.
So Jazz Thornton on Stalking Next here on News Talks
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It is seven past ten yars News Talks. They'd been
lovely to have you with us on this long weekend.
I'm Francisca with you until midday right back. In twenty
twenty four, mental health advocate Jazz Thornton began to receive
obsessive messages from a stranger overseas, initially wrishing the messages
off as harmless. Things went up a level when the
man flew to New Zealand and turned up at her house.

(39:53):
Friendick Calls to the police revealed to Jazz at stalking
was not a criminal offense in New Zealand. Jazz has
been instrumental in campaigning for stalking to be criminalized, and
as a result, reforms to the Crimes Act come into
effect next month. Inspired by her own story and those
of others, Jess has created a new documentary. It's called Stalked.

(40:15):
It's coming soon to sky and Jess Thornton joins me. Now,
good morning, good morning. So in this documentary, you and
two other women, Tessa and Zenny, tell their what I
can only describe as horrific stories of being stalked. Can
we start with your story? How did it start?

Speaker 6 (40:34):
Oh?

Speaker 16 (40:34):
My gosh, it was a really odd situation. And like,
I get a lot of messages all the time, so
I don't see most of my message requests. And it
was actually my housemate who takes all of my photos
for me, so she's always tagged.

Speaker 17 (40:46):
And my staff came up to me and.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
She was just like, hey, there's this guy who.

Speaker 16 (40:50):
Is messaging me saying that he is obsessed with you
and he wants to come to New Zealand to meet you.
And I was like okay, And like I looked up
as username and saw kind of quite a big amount
of messages that had been sending in like two weeks,
so it probably should have been a flag at the time,
but I was like, like, that's fine, he's in the Netherlands,

(41:12):
like whatever. And it wasn't long after that she said, oh,
he messaged me he's booked to fly he's coming, and
still I was like, oh, it'll be okay, Like it's fine.
And it was about two weeks later that Yeah, he
was at my house and he was in the country.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
Wasn't it interesting that he made the connection to your
friend and then started messaging her yeah, because.

Speaker 17 (41:39):
I wasn't replying.

Speaker 16 (41:40):
It was another kind of desperation to try and get
to me. And what I found out a bit later
on through the forensic psychologist who got involved in my case.
He works with the police, and he was assessing this
guy and his behavior and all of that was that
before this guy got to the country, he would have
already known everything about me, including everything about everyone close

(42:04):
to me that had been a part of anything public
I've even done. So that escalated quite quickly, Oh, yes,
very very quickly. It was literally I think he was
in the country for twenty four hours before he found
my house, and I thought it would be impossible to
find Like my little naive brain was like, there's no way.

(42:25):
Like he's now sending these creepy messages that are like
I've done something really bad that involves you, and I
can't promise you not to do something with the information
that I've gathered, like real cryptic, and then he's yeah,
he's turned up, left a package our house and then
just sitting outside looking at our windows.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
So how does that How does that make you feel?
And what are you thinking when you sort of you know,
you realize that he was here and he'd left a
package outside your house.

Speaker 16 (42:55):
My heart sunk, and I genuinely don't think I had
felt fear like that before the second that we pulled
into the driveway and we saw the paper bags sitting
out the front, and we were like, it's like you
just I just knew. But then when we walked inside
the house and we had these big, like floor to

(43:15):
celling windows that looked over this beach and we just
saw this man sitting on the beach looking up into
our windows, and it's it's him, It's Peter. It was
just yeah, it was It was shock, it was fair,
and it was uncertainty of like what do you even
do in this situation?

Speaker 17 (43:32):
Like I still then was like do I.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
Call the police?

Speaker 17 (43:35):
Do I not call the police?

Speaker 3 (43:36):
Like what do I do? Yeah, And you talk about
that quite a bit in the documentary. You say, look,
this is happening to me and you feel very helpless.
But at the same time, when you sort of step
back and look at it, you think to yourself, oh,
the police are just gonna look at this and go
they're just some messages, what you know, Like you kind
of you were totally rationalizing why you shouldn't actually act

(43:58):
on your gut instinct, which is this is not right.

Speaker 16 (44:01):
Yeah, I felt like I was being dramatic and like
I remember messaging a friend of mine who's a cop
the night I got those real creepy messages before he
came to my house, to be like should I like,
what do I do?

Speaker 17 (44:12):
I don't want to call anyone.

Speaker 16 (44:13):
I don't want to like it feels dramatic, but also
like this is really cryptic and weird. And she was
the one that was like, you should at least make
like an online report, this is this is not okay.
And it was that kind of validation that actually, this
is kind of weird that at least enabled me to
eventually get the cops involved.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
So when you did see him sitting outside your house,
you called the police. What action did they take and
what advice did they give you?

Speaker 16 (44:39):
So while we were on the phone to the police
before they actually.

Speaker 17 (44:42):
Got to the house, we were.

Speaker 16 (44:43):
Literally like army crawling around the house because they were like, okay,
go through, like pull down every blind lock, every window, lock,
every door. But once the police arrived, he had gone.
And I often feel like I say that stalkers are
kind of like spiders. Finding them is really scary, but
losing them is worse because at least when he was.

Speaker 17 (45:03):
We could see and we knew that's where he was.

Speaker 16 (45:05):
So the police at the time when they got to
the house, they couldn't find him. And I remember there
was three different offices coming in and out just with
like confusion on their faces and confirming that this guy
has come into the country. And then you just saw
this kind of fear in their faces. But that was
when I found out for the first time that stalking

(45:27):
wasn't illegal in New Zealand. I had no idea, and
so they were very much like, this is not okay,
this is not good, but by law, we don't know
what we can do. And especially because right now we
don't know where he is, we don't think you should
stay at this house tonight, but like we need to
see if there's anything that can happen.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
I thought their advice to you about how to deal
with him if you came face to face was really
interesting because it tells you a little something about a
stalker and how unreliable and unpredictable they are, and how
you don't want to aggravate them.

Speaker 16 (46:06):
Yeah, so I got that advice from the criminal forensic psychologist,
which came after he was arrested and let go again.

Speaker 17 (46:16):
And it was literally all how to avoid.

Speaker 16 (46:18):
Being taken hurt and yeah, like being so so thankful
that he had come up to me and trying to
keep it in public and even learning how to like
look for trackers on the cars and don't leave one
person at a time and don't go to your normal
routines because they already know it. It was all the
scariest part of it was when I said, am I

(46:40):
allowed to go see my therapist? And the psychologist said,
oh no, there's a chance he already knows where your
therapist lives.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
And that's the problem, right, there's still because as you mentioned,
they've invaded all parts of your life, and then you
suddenly take on responsibility for making sure other people are
safe as well.

Speaker 16 (46:58):
Yes, that was the hardest thing, I think, even for
all three of us in the show with Zeenie and Tessa,
we've all talked about this, that I fear you fear
for yourself is one thing, but realizing that this is
not just affecting you, but this literally puts the lives
of everyone you care about in danger, and I think
that's something that I still haven't been able to fully

(47:20):
forgive myself for.

Speaker 17 (47:23):
And something that you still live with.

Speaker 16 (47:24):
Like my immediate response was to go and live on
some tiny island somewhere on news on the tiny island.
But like I was, like, I can't have anyone that
I care about in my vicinity because they're in danger.
And it's yeah, it's not just one person that effects,
it's the whole community.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
Did you fear for your life is yep?

Speaker 17 (47:43):
Yes, I did.

Speaker 16 (47:45):
The message that he sent that eventually got him arrested,
I found out later because he right at the end
of it said I hope to see you in the
next life soon. And they believed that he was potentially
going to take himself out and try to take me
out with him, And yeah, it was the predictability. And

(48:06):
you have the commander of the police on the phone
and all of these detectives and cameras are getting stalled
in your house and he is out there, and you
know there's concern from the police, but you don't know
why because I'm not allowed to know what's come up
in their investigation or from interpolar or anything like that,
But yeah, I did.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
The impact on a victim is physical, it's emotional, and
it's mental, isn't it? Is there any way that you
can try, and you've already explained a little bit of it,
but just try and give us a sense of the
toll that it took on you and Zeni and Tessa
in your lives.

Speaker 16 (48:47):
I think it changes everything. I mean for Zini, she
was so young when this started for her, and it
completely changed who she believed that she was. For me,
it took away any sense of safety ever, and so
I panic every time I leave the house. I am

(49:09):
so hyper aware all the time, and you just you
feel like you're being watched all the time, but also
your body. The best way I can describe it is,
you know, like when you're in traffic or like you
have like a really quick like a near miss of
someone that's like about to hit you, or you know something,
and you're just like that, but you live in that
all the time, and that like five seconds that you

(49:29):
would feel that in the car is just permanently with you,
and you are being feel like you're being watched all
the time, even though you are not. For you know
I'm not right now, but it never leaves you, and
I think it rips your sense of safety forever.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
All the situations were quite different for the three of
you who are in the documentary, and yet I think
you will shared a similar experience of kind of what
you went through, and there are similarities there. But Zenny's
story really kind of terrified me because her stalker was
just someone that she sort of came across and passing.

Speaker 14 (50:05):
You know.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
He was her boss's boyfriend, and her mum gave them
a lift once and that's all it took. And she
didn't she had no real relationship with him, nothing, He
just said and what you know, and how he managed
to devastate her life for such a long period of time.
And she says at one point in the documentary, it
just felt like it was all a mistake. And I

(50:26):
totally understood what she meant, like, how is this happening
to me? Why is this happening?

Speaker 14 (50:31):
You know?

Speaker 16 (50:32):
Yeah, Zenie's Zeni's story. Every time that I hear it
watch it, I both get so sad for her and
so angry because it had to have been a mistake.
It's insane. But then also when you see and you
hear the police's response to her. This is a young
girl who is literally having the worst kind of communication

(50:56):
with someone she'sn't even like, doesn't even communicate with the guy.
But the things that he's saying to her, those are
the things that the police were waiting for my guy
to say to me to be able to arrest him.

Speaker 17 (51:05):
But for Zina, it.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
Was just constant.

Speaker 17 (51:07):
It was constant.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
It was constant threats, threats of life and other people's life.
It was horrific.

Speaker 16 (51:12):
Yeah, and he is still out to this day.

Speaker 17 (51:16):
That's what.

Speaker 16 (51:16):
For me, it was one week and the police were
incredible and they were fast. For Zini, this was a
decade and she lives with the consequences and he is
walking free.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
And Tessa's story is also horrific because it involves it
does involve a lot of violence.

Speaker 17 (51:36):
Yeah, it's Yeah.

Speaker 16 (51:37):
The first time I heard Tessa's story, I also sobbed.
But what was also incredible about Tessa's story is that
when we were talking about the criminal psychologist and the
things that he told me to do, the biggest thing
he was telling me was about that being so kind
and so nice if you saw them out, Because that's
the only way you can try and de escalate, And

(51:59):
at the time I was like I can't.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
Do that, and other people don't understand that either, Oh no,
like how do you do this? But for Tessa, that's
what saved her life. Yeah, learning that, you know, she's
literally been kidnapped from her beard and it's not physical
strength that gets her out. It's her ability with her
words to talk them out of it and be like,
I'm in love with it. It's insane. I mean, I

(52:21):
just so appreciate those two sharing these stories because they
are extraordinary and I think they were very very brave
to do so, so so appreciate that. Do you have
faith the new laws that are going to come into
effect on May twenty six are going to make a difference.
It's going to enable police to act earlier and help
protect people. This is, of course the changes that actually
makes stalking illegal. Yes, sounds nuts that we're saying that.

Speaker 16 (52:43):
I know Australia has had it for twenty years, Like
that's how far behind we are? I definitely think so.
I've heard a lot recently from police officers who are
going through training at the moment, all just saying how
thankful they are that this law's coming in because they've
always been bound by this non existent kind of space
that they had, whereas now they feel like they can
do something and they're getting instructed on what to do

(53:05):
in these situations. And so I think we've obviously got
a long way to go, but a law is everything.
And it also means that as the show comes out,
if people identify situations within themselves that they're going through,
they have an actionable thing that they can do. We're
not just putting it out. And then it's like good
luck because we don't have laws.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
Have you had to make any other changes to your life?
Like what we see in this documentary is it doesn't
matter if you block people and change things. The way
that these stalkers manage to manipulate and communicate, to communicate
with their victims, I was like, oh okay, I had
no idea they went to this extent and things. So,

(53:46):
as someone who is a content creator, this is your job,
it's your career. You put yourself out there. Have you
had to make any changes to the way you work?

Speaker 8 (53:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (53:54):
I will never post anything that identifies my house, nothing
outside my windows. I will never post in my suburb
or like even the area in Auckland and which I
live in anymore. We've moved houses a bunch of times
this incident. But I'm also I'm a lot more hyper
aware of all of it. But I mean, I never,
to this day never replied to this guy. I've never

(54:15):
spoken to him, and so you know, there's always going
to be a risk with that, with putting yourself out there,
but I just have to do what I can to
protect myself and not posting routines and stuff like that.
But also for me, the people that my content helps
is far more important, and that's the only thing that

(54:37):
keeps me posting. Afterwards, every part of me wanted to stop,
and I would have if it wasn't for the other
side of what I do and been able to hear
these messages of how it helps people. So yeah, I've
got to be a lot more careful and cautious, and
I definitely have a lot more anxiety when I'm posting now,
But yeah, my why is so strong that I think

(54:59):
it makes it more tolerable.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
And Okay, Jess, thank you so much for sharing your
story and for making the documentary it is. I think
it's you know, must must see viewing you know, I
think everybody needs to kind of get their head around
what a real stalker and being stalked is all about
and how it works. So thank you so so much.

Speaker 17 (55:19):
Of course, thank you, thank you for having me.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
Stalked will air on sky Open on May fifth, May fourth, fifth,
and sixth. It will also be available to stream on
Neon and sky Go from the fourth of May. And
don't forget Ozzie Legend. James rain is with me. After
eleven it's twenty three past ten. Up next, we talk entertainment.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Relax, it's still the weekend.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
It's a Sunday session with Francesca Rudgin and wit Calls
for the best selection of great reads used talks.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
If you're looking for a great book recommendation, look no
further than Jones Picks at your local wit Calls. Joan
is their head book buyer and she's also the Sunday
book reviewer on this program. Her job is to find
the books that you will love, and over the years
she's read literally one hundreds in search of the latest
and greatest. Luckily for readers, there are two more great
titles due onto shelves in this coming week. Like all

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Happy reading with books, games, puzzles, toys, gorgeous stationary and
three brand new Jones Picks this week. There really is

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something for everyone at wit Calls the Sunday Session.

Speaker 8 (56:41):
He again a little trying to make it up some.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
This is new music from the Veils. It is a
raw which is quite lovely. We've had Finn on the
show a few times, a bit of a fan of
the Veils. Right, it is time to talk entertainment and
I'm joined now by Steve Neil.

Speaker 18 (57:14):
Good morning, good morning, must be back in the hot seat.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
Love to be lovely to have you here after a
couple of weeks away. And we'll talk about that in
just a moment. But take Music Prize finalists have been
announced absolutely well.

Speaker 18 (57:26):
The awards are right up upon us, happening this Wednesday.
Oh goodness, yeah, no, it's all on. So did the
dry cleaning? I reckon? Yeah it sort of day sap. Yeah, okay,
So It's named after the late great Dylan Tate, one
of the great music journalists of Altero, and it's been

(57:47):
going since two thousand and nine. This award that recognizes originality,
artistic merit, creativity, innovation, and excellence in album making. So
kind of in this era where we're all listening to
our playlists and streaming is algorithm and individual songs at
us through a nice to an award that kind of
recognize like the kind of totality of an album and
everything that that it represents is a creative project, so

(58:10):
more than just a credit, more than a collection of
a few songs you like and a few fellas, like
everything from cover art to intention to stylistic choices and
really kind of I guess, kind of squeezing every body
of juice out of that that idea of an album
as possible.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
It also pulls together such a range, it's kind of
clickedic range of artists, which I like. So I also
think it must make it really hard for people to
come to a decision.

Speaker 18 (58:33):
Yeah, totally. And I think that because it's a kind
of genreist award. You know, we've got punk rock rubbing
shoulders with folk, We've got kind of angular alternative rock,
rubbing shoulders with contemplative sort of hip hop. It's all
sorts of different things there. But you know, I think
when you look at a you know, look when you

(58:53):
look at like a fifty Greatest Albums of All Time list,
that's the same thing that's going on there, right, Like,
these things are kind of genrealists. You may have your
favorite genres or genres you don't want to touch, but
incredible albums are kind of each other's peers in adle
what the contents are. So the Taite is judged by
there's a long list that's whittled down by a really
big group of like a thousand industry folks around the country,

(59:16):
and then it gets handed over to a panel that
I don't know if we know it's on the panelist yet.
I don't think it's announce in advance. But it's an
independent judging panel of artists, journalists and industry to basically
thrash it out around the table and go for a consensus.
So I think that's kind of why another reason why

(59:36):
it's a nice This is an award that gets decided
in a room and it's not just you know, filling
out a spreadsheet.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
Because there's also always a coup of the names there
I'm not familiar with, so you know, you can they'll
hate this, but you've got a Spotify and check out
some and you learn, you know, get a new artist
that you love. It's a new artist.

Speaker 18 (59:55):
It's like the Best Picture nominees, right, It's like an
opportunity to go, oh yeah, okay, so maybe maybe this
maybe some of the things that passed me by, I
maybe haven't gotten around to them yet. It's just a
little list to work through. So and you've got to
say this on the radio. Dick Move is the first
band on the list, going alphabetically, Geneva, Am Jasmine, Mary,
Marlon Williams, Phoebe rings Reb Fountain, Ringlets, Tom Scott, and

(01:00:18):
worm A. This year's nominees for the Tape Man. Do
you think we've taken out it's always such a head scratcher.
I think that top top two or three. Marlon Williams.
The album te Wickerwicker is an astonishing piece of work
that's already been recognized, Like he's taken up multiple awards
for this project already. But if you think about the

(01:00:40):
intent of someone grappling with their relationship with today. I'm
making an album in a language they're not familiar with
and going on a real journey as a process, as
documented by a fantastic documentary film about this album. I
think this really kind of satisfies a lot of those
criteria for me. But they're already deserving nominees. I really

(01:01:03):
like the Worm album as well, Red Founded mad. I
could just say good things about all of them, all
of them. Geneva Geneva Am is something that you would
be my left field recommendation. If you haven't heard Geneva's work,
give her album Picky Picky listen, Okay, but just look,
just look at the final lessons. Give them all the
quick listen. Yeah, don't I think skip to the next one.

Speaker 17 (01:01:23):
Easy.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
Just google Take Music Prize twenty twenty six finalists and
they will pop up.

Speaker 18 (01:01:28):
That's this Wednesday at the New Zealand International Convention Center,
and tickets are available for sale to the public to
this event. So if you want to come along and
rub shoulders with the music industry, have a beer or two,
and see some cool performances, you can get those tickets.
Oh again, just get on the internet.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
Alette, there we go. I love it. You have been
on tour for The Weed Eaters, which is a new
New Zealand film which is coming out this weekend this
week on Thursday. Can you describe this film to me?

Speaker 18 (01:01:55):
Yeah, I can try and describe this film to you. So,
a bunch of friends go away for New Years and
it's a film about forming friendships as an adult. It's
a film about bad New Year's and it's also like
the disappointment that can come in the years. And it's
also a film about stealing a jar of cannabis from
the neighbors shed that makes you crave human flesh.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
It's just that last sentence, yeah, which kind of key
the weed Eaters.

Speaker 18 (01:02:19):
So you know, it's kind of there in the title
as you reflect, as you reflect on the cannabis and
the cannibalism. But in some ways it is like it's
in the horror genre, but it's also a black comedy.
It's also got, you know, some kind of interesting character
beats to it, so it's not it's not kind of
the c grade that you might think from cannibal plus

(01:02:40):
cannabis is a lot more going on than that. It's
a really confident debut by a team of young filmmakers
whose work will be familiar maybe in the music video
work or forty eight Hours, but as a feature they
kind of just went out and made a movie in
the true kind of Peter Jackson style of just going.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
To do it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
Yeah, no, I love it really exciting and of course
its screened at the New Zealand International Film Festival last year.
I know a lot of people have been waiting for
it to come back. So that's going to be on
screens on Thursday. Thank you so much, Steve. We'll catch
next week. Michelle Dickinson is up next with the pros
and cons of the Designer Dog.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin on News Dogs
at b Doctor.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
Michel Dickinson joins US Now with quite a controversial science
study for us this week.

Speaker 19 (01:03:29):
It's pretty controversial. Sorry, and I am a dog lover.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
Before summi, but we are going to talk about the oodles.

Speaker 19 (01:03:35):
The oodles, Okay, so people say that oodles, so that
is anything that is expensively crossed. It seemed because oodles
seemed to cross costs quite a lot more money than
normal dogs and cross with a poodle, So golden doodles laboros, cockapoos,
whatever you want to call them. These designer dogs, everybody
seems to have one. They seem to cost way more

(01:03:56):
than a regular dog. And everybody I know who has
one has chosen them because they're supposed to be easier dogs.
So apparently they're better with children, they're easier to train,
blah blah blah, And everybody goes, oh, well, what we've
done is we've crossed them. We've got the best of
boast breeds. You know, We've got the we've got the
niceness of a labrador, but like the smartness of an

(01:04:17):
oodle or a poodle. Apparently it's not not that true.
But there's a twist at the end. So the study,
which is published in Plos one, went to find out
whether oodles are actually better and they focused on three
common poodle cross breeds, the cockaboos, which is the cocker
spaniel and the poodle, the labradoodles which is the labrador

(01:04:40):
and the poodle, and the Kevapoos, which is the cavalier
King Chile spaniel and the poodle, and they compared them
to their pure bred parent breeds. And what they found is,
after studying nine four hundred dogs, a third of which
were these designer dogs. They found that they weren't more trainable,
they were a little bit more aggressive, they were attached,

(01:05:03):
more attached to their owners, they had bigger fear of responses,
were more excitable, and they were poorly behaved around other dogs.
So this is not what you design a dog people
are looking for, so sorry for that. They also found
that they had higher levels of fear of loud noises,
they had biggest separation anxiety when their owners left, and

(01:05:26):
cockapoos stood out the most, showing the highest levels all
of these undesirable behaviors. So you might go, well, that
was a waste of like three thousand dollars. Why did
I spend so much on a dog? But the study
went further and it actually described that behavior is typically
a complex strait and while some of it comes from genetics,
most of it comes from environment, training, and early life experiences.

(01:05:51):
So basically, it's blaming the owners of these designer dogs.
And what it found is that the majority of designer
dogs are owned by first time dog owners.

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
Gotcha, that makes sense.

Speaker 19 (01:06:04):
Yeah, And they went through this whole study that basically
yet to the end, it found that people who didn't
who were nervous because it was their first time dog
went I will get an easier breed, but didn't do
what most dog owners do, which is take them through
that socialization training, put good rules around them. Because these
dogs are cute, so they got away with murder basically,
and then they turned into monsters. And actually what they

(01:06:25):
found is that there's no such thing as a good
or a bad dog. It's not to do with the breeding.
It's actually mostly to do with early socialization, consistent training,
the environment, and informed expectations, being that no matter how
cute your dog.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
Geting well, I think experienced dog owners will tell you
it's not the dog, it's the owner's basically.

Speaker 6 (01:06:42):
Study.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
I also wonder, and this is a completely different topic
in a sense, but I wonder whether people go for
the oodles because they had lease of the genetic problems
like you know, you hear of librators getting astritis and
things like that, and so I wonder whether it was
a way to avoid some of those issues as well. Anyway,
I'm sure that dog owners will let us know. And

(01:07:05):
the shedding like if you can apparently that's amazing. Yeah, yeah, it's.

Speaker 19 (01:07:09):
Great, but basically it's not the dog, it's the person.
That's what the study says. So if you are a
first time dog o and I'm thinking about getting on
these fancy dogs, take it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
To a class, and if you would like to comment
on cross breeding, you're most welcome to it. The text
is ninety two ninety two. We'll see you next week.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
News Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
Oh yes, the dog texts are coming in.

Speaker 6 (01:07:30):
Please.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
My niece has a Golden Boodle, well trained, but such
a dreadful dog when we have alone heaps of health
issues too. Thank you very much for the text. Mike
vander Alsona, Resident Chief joins us. Now, good morning, good morning,
and I think it's it's perfectly you know what we
would expect on a long hands at weekend that we're
going to talk about Mike's Inzac biscuits today.

Speaker 20 (01:07:51):
We had five shop yesterday and be made this recipe
and they were.

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
You do something interesting though, You remove the refined sugar
and you replace it with honey refined sugar.

Speaker 20 (01:08:03):
God, so these are actually sweetened with honey. Also dairy free,
there's no butter in there, and you're also gluten free
and there's no flour in there, so they are slightly
different than your norm. So pretty easy recipe.

Speaker 5 (01:08:18):
What isn't there, Well, it's rolled oats.

Speaker 20 (01:08:23):
It's a cup. It's a cup and a half of
rolled oats. And I've got half a cup of shaved coconut.
Add that to the rolled oats. Uh, and then I've
got half cup of chopped arms. You need to chop
the almonds up. If you've got almond meal, you use
almond mealk because that's going to be your binder. If not,
if you've just got almonds, just chop them up really finally, uh.
And then three tablespoons are sunflower oil, three tablespoons of honey,

(01:08:48):
and teaspoon of vanilla extract or vanilla essence, and then
a car.

Speaker 5 (01:08:52):
Of a tea spoon of baking soda.

Speaker 20 (01:08:53):
So that's going to give you a lift. You could
also drop in just a touch of salt if you want.
They'll bring out all that savory tones of that honey mix,
all that really well.

Speaker 5 (01:09:01):
Form up little.

Speaker 20 (01:09:02):
Bulls and then press them down.

Speaker 5 (01:09:04):
They go into an oven.

Speaker 20 (01:09:06):
It's a low oven one hundred and fifty degrees for
twenty minutes, and you want them to basically turn gold
and brown, and then once pull them out of the oven,
just resist the temptation to eat them because they will
still be very soft. Let them cool down and then
they will go crunchy.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
I love it.

Speaker 20 (01:09:21):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
I love an Inzac biscuit easy. That is an excellent recipe,
very manageable, very quickly. I want to talk to you
though about the Murrai Art trail that's taking place next
weekend second and third of May. Isn't it great?

Speaker 20 (01:09:35):
Isn't it? It's great? And it's it's a great thing
for the MIDDLEWA area because there's some amazing artists and
also some amazing houses out where we live out here
in middlew I. So second and third, both Saturday and Sunday,
there's a huge trail. You can go to art at MURROWI,

(01:09:55):
dot co, dot and Z that gives you your mat
there's close on nineteen twenty places that you can go
to and for instance, like for us, a good from scratch.
I think we've got about nine artists alone just at
our place. And we've got some maizing like we've got
Jeff if you know Jeff Thompson, Yeah, so irrugated irons.

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
Yeah, so they're exhibiting their work.

Speaker 20 (01:10:17):
Are they at the school and in and around the school,
So you can walk around the school, you can come
and have some lunch, and then you can also go
to nineteen other locations in Middleway where you go to
the houses and there's some amazing places to go to
and pretty incredible.

Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
Artists, a bit of house pawn and art and you
get and there are other places places such as yours,
and other places serving food as well.

Speaker 6 (01:10:40):
Is that right?

Speaker 20 (01:10:40):
Absolutely? So, we've got us, We've got good from scratch,
You've got Mirrraway Lodge and Delhi they're doing food. You've
got Mirraway golf course of course. And then you also
have Cooler which is just up the roof from us.
They're serving food as well. So the heaps of food,
heaps of art, heaps going on and the weather apparently
is good.

Speaker 3 (01:10:56):
Oats have gluten and them according to a text.

Speaker 20 (01:10:58):
Ah, yeah, I've come across this in the past. Probably
very fine trace amounts of gluten in there. So yes,
I'll take that back. Semi gluten free.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
Yes, semi gluten free. And and Mars is saying no,
Francisca and Zac biscuits are way better slightly soft.

Speaker 5 (01:11:17):
You could go there a little bit chewy in the center.

Speaker 3 (01:11:20):
Yeah, yeah, but look you've given us all something to try.
Who you know, we don't need an excuse to make
a biscuit. So but thank you so much, Mike. You
can get that recipe from good from Scratch dot co
dot in z or you can hit to Newstalk zb
dot co dot in z Ford Slagh Sunday will get
that up on our website. Of course, we have all
our interviews up on our website. We'll get those up

(01:11:40):
today for you. And yeah, if you're looking for something
to do next weekend, head out to the murro I
Art Trail. It is thirteen to eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
There's no better way to start your Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
It's a Sunday session with Francesca Rutkin and Wiggles for
the best selection of Greg Reeds us talk.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
Sed be.

Speaker 3 (01:12:00):
So thanks to the actions of a foraging Australian mushrooms
have become a bit of a meme over the last
few years. But if you ingest the right ones, they
can be a marveless source of goodness for the brain
and immune system. So to talk more on mushrooms and
how well in a segment I'm joined by Aeron O'Hara.
Good morning, Good morning, Okay, tell me a little bit
about mushrooms and what they can do for us.

Speaker 21 (01:12:21):
Yeah, we're talking about medicinal mushrooms and not your magic
mushroom type of mushrooms.

Speaker 6 (01:12:27):
But they can be.

Speaker 21 (01:12:28):
Incredible for enh enhancing your immune system as they have
these beautiful antioxidant effects as well as the immune modulating
polysaccharides which are things like beta glucans, and also supporting
the brain through their neuroprotective properties that they have. And
the active components in the mushrooms are the real magic

(01:12:51):
of them and how they can support your health. And
there's lots of different types of active components in mushrooms.
The most common one is the beta glucans, which is
a type of poly sacharide which has great benefits for
you gus houth as it's a type of probiotic fiber,
but also has good beautiful immune modulating effects as well,

(01:13:13):
so it's really really helpful for boosting immune function as
well as cancer protection as well. Then there's also types
of other active components like ergothionine. So they've all got
these magical long names but ergothionin is a really strong
potent antioxidant, which is what actually gives it that brain

(01:13:35):
protective effect as it is amazing at cleaning up oxidative stress,
particularly in the brain. Is in a sort of soul
for componing containing antioxidant that can clean up free radicals.
And then there's many other active components in mushrooms as well.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
How do you take medical mushrooms? Do you take just
one kind of mushroom or are you taking a bunch
of them all together, or how does it work?

Speaker 6 (01:14:02):
Well?

Speaker 21 (01:14:02):
People do all sorts of combinations of things. So when
we're looking at medicinal mushrooms, so we're not we're looking
beyond sort of your everyday mushroom like your brown and
your white mushrooms you get at your supermarket. So things
like lions, maine, shataki, my turkey which are all the
immune bursting mushrooms, as well as rishe cortis EPs turkey tails,

(01:14:24):
so they all are different types of mushrooms which you
can actually just eat and use them in you're cooking,
so it's not necessary that you're just having it as
like a supplement in a tablet or in a powder.
And they've become really really trendy over the last couple
of years, but actually been used in Japan for many,
many years. And the real traditional way to sort of

(01:14:45):
bring in the health benefits of mushrooms into your diet
would be to incorporate them into just everyday cooking. So
whether you're putting the mushrooms like shataki my turkey into
things like miso soup, or making it into like a
bone broth, or maybe putting it into a rice dish
or in Japan that also make it into like a

(01:15:06):
hot pot, where they'd be like slow cooking it. So
to really get those active components and health benefits from
the mushrooms, it's really helpful to slow cook them so
long and slow. So that's the traditional way of using
the mushrooms. The modern way of using the mushrooms at
the moment is you might go to a cafe and
see that they do like a mushroom latte something like that,

(01:15:28):
and where they're using the mushroom powders and actually putting
them into your coffee or putting it into a smoothie
or a tea, so they're mixing them into those sorts
of drinks to get those health benefits from the mushrooms.
So there's lots of different ways to bring mushrooms into
your diet. And there was a really interesting research article

(01:15:48):
I was reading this morning and that even bringing in
two cups of mushrooms into your diet across the week
has an incredible half benefits for slowing down cognitive decline.
So it's a great one to try and get into
your diet wherever you can, whether they're putting a side
of mushrooms with some scrambledy X for your breakfast, or
putting it into an omelet, or maybe sorteing up some

(01:16:11):
mushrooms and making them a bit crispy, topping them onto
your salad to bring a little bit of texture to
your salad, or whether you're kind of combining them in
with some of your meat dishes, to things like using
mints or bolonnaise and putting half mushrooms with half of
your meat, and then you're kind of getting the benefit
of the mushrooms as well as it will actually cut

(01:16:32):
your costs down a little bit because mushrooms are a
lot cheaper than buy meat at the moment.

Speaker 3 (01:16:36):
Thank you so much, Jaron, fascinating. Yeah, Okay, it is
six to eleven. I'm just trying to contemplate. My first
thought is where am I going to find all these
really fancy mushrooms? But I'm sure obviously they do get
sole places, so I'll get onto working that out. It
is five to eleven News Dogs.

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This will no doubt be bringing back some memories for
anyone who lived through the eighties. This is the sound
of the iconic Aussie band Australian Cruel. Founder of the band,
James Rain. He doesn't really like to look back very much,
but he is going to join me next to reflect
on his time in the band and how it helped
him shape his solo career of forty years. Ossie pub

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rock legend James Rain is with me. Next.

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It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rutkin and Wickles for
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Coming out this hour on the Sunday Session. Jason Pine
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That's in distinctive Ossie voice, isn't it? Once described as
being as familiar to Australians as Veggie Might. It is
James Rain, the frontman and songwriter for Australian Crawl. The
band defined an era of music over the Ditch in
the early eighties before splitting in nineteen eighty six. To
mark the fortieth anniversary of the end, James is on

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the road with his The Fall of Crawl tour. He's
heading our way next week and joins me on tour
now from Brisbane. James Rain, good morning, thank you for
being with us.

Speaker 13 (01:19:35):
Thank you fan Cisca The Fall of Crawl.

Speaker 3 (01:19:38):
Now, why the name, it's quite unique to mark the
anniversary of the band's breakup.

Speaker 13 (01:19:43):
Well, I think it was just the reason for doing it,
and I don't think about those days or place any
real significance on them, except that my manager, Scott, who's
good with this stuff, reminded me obviously last year, so
do you realize it's forty years because people keep it up. Look,
it's great and I loved the band and it was
great to be in the band, but I keep saying
that to people it finished forty years ago. Come on,

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let's move right. So he said, why don't we do
it when you go out next year? Because you were
talking last year. He said, why don't you call it, like,
do something to celebrate the end of the band, and
we and I said, great, and it's call it the
Fall of Crawl for I have a song called the
Fall of Rome, which is a solo song. And then
I had a much more cynical byline, and he said, no,
you can't do that. So we said celebrating the I

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don't know I was going to say to them something,
but yeah, So we just thought it was a good
way to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
Does it from five.

Speaker 13 (01:20:34):
People who was forty years ago it finished?

Speaker 3 (01:20:37):
I know, but I mean, does it feel like forty years?

Speaker 6 (01:20:40):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (01:20:40):
You know, I don't. Well, that's the thing I never
think about it. I just don't think about those that
band of those days. Really. I mean I've still play
the songs or some of the songs, and I still
like some of the songs and some of them written
stand up. I feel that. But yeah, unless someone asked
me about it, I never think about it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:58):
Yeah, I mean, the songs have had great longevity, haven't they.
I mean, could you've ever predicted that you would be
doing a tour of forty years later to memory rate
the band's breakup? You know that there's this still this
huge demand for these songs.

Speaker 13 (01:21:12):
Yes, there is, and I'm very grateful. I'm very lucky.
But no, I would never have thought if you'd said
to me forty years ago, you realize in forty years
you're going to be celebrating the end of this. Okay, really, okay, anyway,
Look it's good. I'm very lucky. I'm very lucky to
do what I do at the level that I do
after doing it for forty something years, I think I'm
very I'm very grateful for that. As I get older,

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I realized, you know how grateful I am.

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
Well, I've got you down at forty seven years in
this music industry. That's pretty impressive.

Speaker 13 (01:21:43):
Yeah, I think forty seven I think I'm trying to
think what was the first time we ever played. I
think I was a drama school and I think there
was a point when we had about the band, at
the very beginning of the band, where we had to
decide and a couple of other guys at university and
we had to decide like, okay, well they do the band,
you know. And I think there was a point where
we decided, write, let's give it, I don't know, let's

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give it a two year and see what happens. And
I think that might have been late nineteen seventy eight maybe,
So what does that make it? Forty seven years? Forty
eight years?

Speaker 3 (01:22:18):
Actually, as you said, you don't reflect a huge amount
on that time, but you really did define an eraror
of Australian music with Australian crawl. Okay, what is your
memory of those years with the band?

Speaker 13 (01:22:33):
Well, I think a lot of driving and a lot
of laughing. It's pretty good, you know, That's that's my
If I'm someone else with just my if I had
suddenly the flashback, it's probably a lot of driving, a
lot of laughing, because you know, well Australia, you know,
you would just drive all the time, and you would work,
you could work five six nights a week and you'd

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work for ten months of the year. You just go
round and round around the country and kind out to
New Zealand. Now now a man and you know that
was and just laugh a lot about the sort of
silly of it all.

Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
Really, James, were you ready for the success and the
fame that came with Australian crawl?

Speaker 13 (01:23:14):
Well, I don't know what, Just no, I don't think.
You don't again, you don't really think about it when
you're doing it, because you're doing it, you're not really
aware of You just go tomorrow, we go and to X,
you know. Or it was just I just remember, just
as I said, a lot of work, just working a lot,
doing lots and lots and lots of gigs. You just
play it all the time, and you know you're young

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and you're sort of single, and you'd sort of you know,
it was enjoyed yourself as well. So and we got
to know a lot of people who did the same
thing we did, and so that was good. You got
to meet a lot of other guys and I made
some really good friends who are people from other bands,
and a couple of friendships. So I still have now,
you know, really really close friendships. But I think you

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just sometimes you wouldn't really think about it in those terms.
You're not objective about it. It just and then it
becomes without sounding pretentious, but then it just becomes what
you do. Yeah, and you go, okay, we've got to
there's no organ recording or you're always I mean, I
was always thinking about After a while, you start thinking
about songs. Okay, I got to come up with some more.

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You started, and then you think, don't don't put pressure
on yourself because then you can never write songs to
be for pressure yourself. Then becomes a thing of okay, well,
we've done let's say two albums, we've got another, We've
got another you next year is probably slater, We've got
to come up with another album. And you're always sort
of writing with some pieces. But there was that sort
of aspect of it, you know, sort of trying to
get songs together while you're probably on the road most

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of the time, and that's very it's sort of it's
hard to write songs on the road.

Speaker 3 (01:24:45):
Well, I wonder too with her in this day and age,
with social media and things, is almost this impression to
young people that you know, you can have this overnight success,
but you are never I don't think, truly ever going
to be successful in the music industry unless you have
a really good work ethic.

Speaker 13 (01:24:59):
I think so, and I think probably the work ethic
is it's a different sort of it's a different trajectory now,
I think for a lot of people. I mean, you
know that a lot of people, you can have actual
overnight success. You can come up with something literally in
your bedroom on your computer and if you've got you
know it, can you get you've got enough kind of
now is to get it out on social media et cetera.

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You can actually have you know, some sort of profile
literally overnight from your bedroom. You can go from your
bedroom to have you know, a million people late your stuff.
Whereas there was obviously no such thing as the Internet.
Then you just went out in the road, you know,
just play, played and played, you know, which is great.
I mean, it's a great life when you're young, and

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it's a great lifestyle.

Speaker 3 (01:25:45):
Estonian Crawlers obviously very distinctly Australia, but I think a
lot of kiwis resonate with it too. It's music we
grew up on. Do you feel that when you too
are here?

Speaker 6 (01:25:55):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (01:25:55):
Yeah, And I had a lot of New Zealand fan
We have two New Zealanders in the band.

Speaker 3 (01:25:59):
Oh we could always claim you, well, I every.

Speaker 13 (01:26:03):
Time I go to New Zealand, I claim it, Oh
half New Zealand. So we're very close. We have very
close ties with New Zealand. And you know, I mean Andy,
our bass players very very is very very proud New Zealander,
as is Josh, one of the guitar players, and so

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Andy's are very proud all Blacks. So Andy browbeating us
about the rugby and you know, so.

Speaker 3 (01:26:32):
Those same old discs.

Speaker 13 (01:26:34):
Yeah, oh yeah, we're very close. We feel reconnected to
New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:26:38):
Bet, just before this interview, we played an acoustic version
of Reckless, and you sort of mentioned before that you
feel some of the songs have stood the test of time.
But researching for this interview, I heard you say that
initially you didn't think Reckless was any good. Is that true?

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:26:58):
Yeah, I didn't I ever think thing was any good.
I just I wrote it. It came out really quickly,
I just really fast, just came out to the point
where I thought, oh, Okay, that's one of those songs
I probably should I put it aside, and so I'll
fixed that up one day because I thought, lyrically, I
started writing about my girlfriend at the time, a girl
called Jan Hing, and it was about Jan and I

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and then it sort of goes off from this other
world and as often songs do, and lyrically, and I thought,
it doesn't really hang together, and what's that She don't
like that kind of behavior mean, and what I thought
doesn't really feel connected. So I thought, I'll just go
back and I'll fix it up one day. So I
never replayed it to anybody. And then I think, being
sort of inherently lazy back then, I didn't really get

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around to it. And I think we're recording at one stage,
and as it used to happen recording it, it's sort
of towards people sort of go anyone got anything else,
you know, because you used to have to have B
sides and things for singles. And I think I just
played that or i'd made some rough demo of it
or something, and I think I have big credit to
the probably Brad and Simon and the band who probably

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heard it, and you know what, we should record that
that's pretty good, and I really you're kidding, doesn't many?
So yeah, I'm not that I didn't think it was
any good. I just never really gave it any credits really.

Speaker 3 (01:28:17):
And it went on to be one of the biggest songs,
didn't it. We've established it.

Speaker 13 (01:28:21):
There was only number one, the actual number one single.

Speaker 3 (01:28:24):
Whatever, we've established it's about forty eight years of a
music career that you've had. Australian Crawl was only seven
years of that. How do you weigh that seven years
up against the rest of your career?

Speaker 13 (01:28:37):
Well, I look at his floor of my apprenticeship. Well,
I learned a lot. I went from nothing, you know,
from knowing nothing about being in a band, virtual or
not not much about being in a band, and there's
a lot, you know, you learn a lot of being
in a band, especially with your friends, people you've grown
up with, because everybody changes, you know, and especially when
you start a band when you're pretty quite young. And
so you know, I learned a lot about the dynamics

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of the band, and I learned a lot about I
met a lot about the music industry and the music business,
and you know, the pitfalls and all the sort of
and my own strengths and a lot about my own
strengths and weaknesses. You never stop learning about that in
terms of just as a singer and a songwriter and
a performer and a person, you know, just as a
generally as a person. So I just thought it was

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a sort of apprenticeship and then I sort of went
and then I still it wasn't until about after the
third solo album I sort of start to think of
myself as a singer. So, you know, you're always learning.

Speaker 3 (01:29:30):
And that's interesting. I mean, the solo career has produced
twelve studio albums, You've had five top ten hits. Is
that what it is? You've said that you're getting better
as an artist and a songwriter?

Speaker 5 (01:29:42):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (01:29:42):
Is that the key? You're just constantly learning. It's just
that experience and that confidence.

Speaker 13 (01:29:48):
And if you like, yeah, and if it's what you do,
and I you know, I'm drawn. I've always been drawn
to just this, you know, just sort of making mute,
sort of making music in my own little corner of
the world. And yeah, you're always learning. And if you
like it and you're interested in it, if you find
a little bits and pierces you.

Speaker 9 (01:30:05):
Go, oh oh, I get, Oh, that's how that works. Okay,
maybe I should bring that into the you know, put
that in the quiver, so to speak. Yeah, so you're
always sort of learning, and you're always learning about the
music industry and the showbiz. You know.

Speaker 13 (01:30:20):
I still love showbiz. I love this sort of showbizz
of it. I've always loved that all that bit and
which was sort of funny at the time. It must
have been in Australian crawl. Brad Robinson, who was in
the band's unfortunate with us anymore. But Brad and I
we're friends since we're eight years old. But we loved
all the showbiz. We like going to the sort of
you know, opening of something, you know, dressing up for it.
We loved all that and at that time that was

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considered very uncool to go out and you know, and
so we used to get all these guys and there
go great.

Speaker 9 (01:30:49):
With maybe all these actresses and getting invited for the
opening of ant.

Speaker 3 (01:30:54):
And what keeps you going after forty eight years.

Speaker 13 (01:30:58):
That's what that's sort of what I do, and I
like it and I think I can you know again,
the thing about touring, we know how to tour now
that's a whole other thing of just how to tour,
you know, the just the actual logistics, because most of
it is just frigging around. To be honest, that's a
great deal of hurry up and ways and become we're
all real experts on the problems with all every single

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airport and highway in Australia.

Speaker 3 (01:31:23):
It's been a delight to talk to you. Really excited
that you're heading to New Zealand and best of luck
with the rest of the tour.

Speaker 13 (01:31:31):
Thank you so much, Thanks Francesca.

Speaker 3 (01:31:33):
That was Australian Crawl lead singer and solo artist James Rain.
James is heading for the Fall of Crawel tour this week,
playing Wellington Friday Auckland on Sunday. Techerts are available to
both shows. Lovely texts from Dom, who said to me,
Australian Crawl was just another of those iconic Australasian bands
like Crowded House that got teenagers at the time like

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me through the eighties. They also remember him as an actor,
especially in a very good mini series at the same
time called East of Eden or I haven't seen that one,
I don't. Thank Dom, Thank you very much for your text.
The panel is up next. It is twenty past eleven.

Speaker 9 (01:32:08):
Grab a cover.

Speaker 2 (01:32:09):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca.

Speaker 1 (01:32:11):
Rudgotte and Wit calls for the best selection of gras
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Speaker 3 (01:32:16):
It is time for the panel and today I'm joined
by Coast Day host Laurna Riley. Good morning, Launa, Good morning.
Also joined by Liam Here, partner at Freebahn and Hair
Good morning, Liam, Gooday. Good to have you both with me,
are Liam? Is it a smart move by Prime Minister
Christopher Luxon to drop his weekly attendance on Breakfast TV?

Speaker 22 (01:32:38):
Only time is going to tell that, And it depends
if they sort of reach a dayton at some point
that allows them to come back on terms where he
feels a bit more reassured about about it and where
Tim Mzi can live with, you know, whatever it was
agreed between them. Look, this is one of those things
where I think, you know, people will make their decision

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about how they feel about it or whether I think
it's smart or not based on their own part as
an interest. It's you can't escape. Notice that, with some
really honorable exceptions, almost everyone who who mocked cinder adourn
for boycotting Mike Costkings is now defend is now defending
Luxon and and vice versa. Right, so everyone who defended

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Justin Durn's decision not to go on Mike Costing is
now mocking Chris Luxen. Right, there's a there's a lot
of inconsistency here at the end of the day, though, Look,
politicians are accountable to Parliament that the press is one
way that they cans, one way to communicate with with
with with the people and to hold themselves to account.

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But it's not the only way, and it's not required
for any particular politician to front up to any particular
news program or new show. The fact is that both
the broadcaster and the politician both miss out one this
is out on the ratings, one is out of the
communication avenue. So both will want to restore the situation,

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but it might take some time.

Speaker 3 (01:34:05):
So strateigue. Though in an election year you would you
would think that they would try to move forward and
as you say, sort of re establish some kind.

Speaker 22 (01:34:14):
Of not at any but not at any costs. Right,
So no politician is going to go on a show
where he doesn't trust that more harm good might have
happen to him, And no TV shows they were going
to agree to have a politician on where the rules
of engagement are so so tight that they can't ask
hard questions, so neither of them has an interest in
making a deal at any cost. It's like Iran and

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the United States A s those.

Speaker 3 (01:34:38):
What are your thoughts, Launa, do you think luxem was
right this was a good move or a misstep?

Speaker 23 (01:34:43):
Well, on the one hand, he has said he's still
available on a case by case basis, so he's not
ruling out Breakfast. Completely makes sense in an election year
that the Prime Minister is going to be busy. And
when you look at audience numbers, two are in Said
and Hosking, who is retaining versus Breakfast. There's a great
disparity there. But timing is everything in politics and everything else,
as we know, and the optics is certainly that Tova

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made our prime minister look like a fall more than once,
so he's running away. Now we know how powerful visuals
are Aaron z and zbe they film or stream their interviews,
but the vast majority of the audience are consuming via radio.
But it seems that Christopher Luxeon is not a fan
of the camera. And I think back to Nixon in
that infamous debate with JFK, and this is our state

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owned television network. Should that not be the one place
that the prime minister should appear. It makes Christopher Luxen
look really uncomfortable under pressure. For some that's going to
raise questions about whether he's the best fit for national leader.
And in a time when his leadership has been in question,
I would have thought he'd opt for more visibility, not less.

Speaker 3 (01:35:46):
It's a time I mean, Liam everyone immediately goes back
to refer to just and I do not turning up
here at Newstalk ZB. But a lot of politicians have
done this. Grant Robertson said you'd never go back to
the platform, and then there was John Key who didn't
do r n Z. I mean, it's it's it's something
which has been done before by quite a few politicians.
But I don't think and you can dress it up
however you like, but essentially it's somebody going I'm not

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happy here. This isn't this I don't want to be
in this position.

Speaker 22 (01:36:11):
Well, whenever you go on any hideous show that you are,
you're entrusting that you're going to get a fear shake
it right, and that all the power is on the
other side, all the powers of the interviewer who's asking
the questions. Right, So you know, no matter how skilled
of a how well media trained you are, if you're
going to against someone and you don't think you're going

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to give their fear shaped rightly or wrongly, is what
you've always actually got The option of saying no, And
the ratings point is is a really good one because
actually the reality is there are so many more channels
for reaching people these days. You don't actually only have
to go to the to a particular show or where
you think there might be more damage seem good and

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so you can you can call it a weakness or whatever.
Maybe it is to an extent, but actually you play
the cards you dealt. You try to maximize your strengthens
and minimize your weaknesses. There's no sense of going to
the loving better or and that's the judgment called the
Prime Minister has made for now. I think that it
will be better. It would be better for the Prime
Minister obviously to use all the communication channels at his disposal.

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That's an important one, but not at the cost of
me made to look like an idiot. And so that's
what he thinks is going to happen.

Speaker 3 (01:37:21):
And what about if you throw to Colin's comments and
about Sindra a Durn saying actually, as the prime minister,
this is what you're paid for. You'll paid to answer
the hard questions. You need to be turning up.

Speaker 6 (01:37:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:37:31):
Well, my actual view on that is that I don't
agree with you as Collins, as a prime minister, your
constitutional duty as the front up to Parliament.

Speaker 20 (01:37:40):
It's like, you know.

Speaker 22 (01:37:42):
There is nothing in the media. Breakfast is not a
constitutional player in our system. It's not mentioned in any
statute as something that holds to account. It's actually got
to be something that's mutually beneficial both to the communications
channel and to the politician.

Speaker 3 (01:37:58):
What do you think about that, though, Laurna. I mean
it's just in general, regardless of who the politician is
and what party they represent on things, is that what
you expect? Do you expect your politicians to turn up
and be accountable?

Speaker 23 (01:38:10):
And I do, because you know, the media is the
fourth of stated is the conduit between the people and
the Parliament. And for what it's worth, I disagreed with
Disinder Radurn dropping Hosking off her roster as well, I think,
especially in an election year, you owe it to your
constituency as well as to Parliament to front up however

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you can. And as I say, this is our state
owned television network and I really think the Prime Minister
should be appearing on it.

Speaker 3 (01:38:38):
Okay, I'd love to talk to you both a little
bit about Anzac Day, regardless of whether you got to
a dawn service or you were commemorating Anzac Day in
some way, or even if you were just thinking about
family members who had you know, participated in wars and things.
Is a real sort of sens yesterday that Anzac Day
was sort of it hit a little bit differently compare

(01:38:59):
given the current world events that we're dealing with and
sort of this breakdown and kind of the traditional national
laws that we've been dealing with things. Lorna, I don't
know if you were sort of conscious of that yesterday
or not.

Speaker 6 (01:39:13):
Oh.

Speaker 23 (01:39:13):
Absolutely, Look, I'm embarrassed to say it was my first
ever dawn service yesterday the East coast Risa and Auckland.
There was a massive turnout in Brown's Bay and yeah,
there was a big focus from the speakers on where
the world is at today. But apart from that service.
I bumped into a lovely gentleman yesterday afternoon at the shop,
still wearing his family medals as well as his own

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his suit, and we talked a bit and we lamented
that all that service, all that sacrifice is really diminished
by what's going on today, and as he put it,
all in the name of greed, as all wars are
really And I left pretty saddened by that exchange.

Speaker 3 (01:39:50):
What about you, Liam, Have you given it a thought?

Speaker 22 (01:39:53):
I have a flightly contrary and taken it a little bit.
I mean, I went to visit we went to the
ten thirty ceremony in our little village. But I also
we went to visit my grandmother, who's one hundred and
three years old, and so you know, she was born
in the twenties, and so she lived through the Second
World War. Obviously she didn't fight in it. But for me,

(01:40:13):
I try to think about why, what sort of what
occurs to me is that we are comparing the current
situation to those wars of the twentieth century, which are
just not comparable in any way. Right, So, in the
First World War, in the Second World War, if you
were a barber or a school teacher or a handyman.
There was every good chance you were going to be

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called up to go on the other side of the
world and just die, you know, you to put your
whole life on the one side to do this temporary
service as a citizen, which might WHI should probably get
get killed or injured, will certainly take a big chunk
of your life out. These weren't professional soldiers. They didn't
sign up for this as part of their their life

(01:40:55):
plan or their career ambition. That wasn't part of what
they said that to do. And that has just gone,
you know. So that's that's something that's proper for better.
It's something that doesn't exist anymore. And when that generation,
when my grandmother's generation are finally gone, there will be
no living memory of those what there's those people went
through in the twentieth century. The wars we fight now

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are thought by professional soldiers most for the most part,
some places like Ukraine, they're not. They're fought by drones,
by brote control. And there are men and women who
put themselves in danger, but not in that sense of
sort of the ordinary citizens uprooting their life for this
period of temporary service, and all of that's gone. So
I think the challenges is how are we going to

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continue to remember something that we never had any experience
of once that generation is gone? And I think it's
a real risk.

Speaker 3 (01:41:47):
Well, I think that's exactly true. Isn't that not exactly
the purpose of Antick Day? That there is the.

Speaker 22 (01:41:54):
Challenges. We've got to do it in authentic quay and
try and find a way to not make it seem
too overly sentimental or too plastic. Because that generation lived
through it, they're not with us a lot. We've got
to appreciate them while we have them.

Speaker 3 (01:42:08):
No, And I think that it's so true, isn't it, Launa.
We've all been We've all been thinking, you know about
our you know, our families, our grandparents and great grandparents
and their stories that they had to tell in keeping
them alive in things very quickly and on a much
lighter note, christ Church Stadium. A lot of conversation about

(01:42:30):
the excellent food that is on offer there. We've had
a lot of text about it this morning. There is
one fine dining establishment A Nati has made a deep
fried pie sandwich seventeen barks. Would you give it a
go lrna?

Speaker 23 (01:42:45):
Look the pr picks were certainly prettier than the ones
I saw online. Maybe it's better than it looks. It
is from one of the fine dining restaurants, but to
me it looks like a seventeen dollar heart attack. It
reminds me of the deep Fried Moro bar Craze, remember
that a few years back. Sometimes I think less.

Speaker 3 (01:43:03):
Is more Liam.

Speaker 22 (01:43:05):
As a man of the peace, I'm very much against
any intrusion of fine dining into rugby games. You know,
like I think, you know, like part of as a
man of the people, part of you know, part rugby
game was going and drinking road quality domestic beer and
chip smothers and sauce. Right, that's rugby, you know. And
so I guess the thing is, I resist any intrusion

(01:43:27):
of wine and any fancy burghers into rugby. As matter
of principle, I wouldn't eat it as a matter of principle.

Speaker 3 (01:43:33):
I love it, Liam, Thank you so much, Liam here
and Laura Riley. My whole thing is, I just love
a pie. I love a really good pie. I don't
need the bread and the cheese sauce on it. I
just want just give me a really good pie. I
thank you for the text. Dun appeared on Hoskins show
for over two years. Luxon did two interviews with Tova.
He's a weakling about to be rolled. I think he
managed three and maybe one with Chris on the show.

(01:43:56):
Another text, surely Rachel Smrning is at the forefront of
Luckson's vote and not going on TV one with Tova,
who was a got you interviewer. Francisca I agree with
just in this decision with Hosking. Why go through that?
Consistent but not worth it? Thank you very much. Piney
is up next. It is twenty four to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:44:18):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on News Talks
that'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:44:24):
And joining us now from christ Church is Jason pine
from Weekend Sport. Good morning, good morning.

Speaker 6 (01:44:29):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:44:30):
We spoke to Claire Sherwood earlier in the show and
we've we've got an understanding that you know, the vibe
and christ Church is amazing this weekend. She was quite
emotional about the fact that the stadium has finally opened.
It's quite a significant moment for those who live in
christ Church and things. But Piney, what is it like
watching a game of sport in this brand new stadium.

Speaker 14 (01:44:50):
Does it?

Speaker 3 (01:44:50):
Does it work? You in it? You are amongst it?

Speaker 12 (01:44:52):
Does it?

Speaker 20 (01:44:53):
I am?

Speaker 24 (01:44:54):
I'm all over it?

Speaker 13 (01:44:55):
It is.

Speaker 24 (01:44:55):
I had a change yesterday to commentate a game from
up in the in the flash new commentary area, and
then I had the second game down sideline, so I
got the real close up and personal experience. It's it
is a tremendous arena, a great place I'm sure to watch.
I looked around last night and look, there's no bad
seats here, there's.

Speaker 2 (01:45:14):
No obstructed views.

Speaker 24 (01:45:17):
There's obviously no rain, so that's that's going to be handy,
although it's been an absolutely fabulous weekend weatherwise in christ Church.
But look, the deeply steeped seats give the viewing experience.
You're right on top of the action, you know, rectangular
in shape and everything about it, Francesca, you know, getting
in and out, food and beverage, bathrooms, all the facilities

(01:45:38):
that a modern stadium should have, and behind the scenes
for us, you know, getting up and down to where
we need to do our work in terms of broadcast.
You know, it's it's really really easy. Everything's new. It
still smells like a new car in here, you know,
you know, with a new that might that might fade
over time, I'm sure, but but no, it's yeah. I

(01:46:00):
heard clear earlier as well and spoke to her on Friday,
and yeah, I think the people of christ Church are
right to be emotional about It's been very tough fifteen
years for them, incredible resilience and finally they get their
reward in the shape of something which is amazing and
will be so for many, many years to go.

Speaker 3 (01:46:19):
Yeah, No, it's just fantastic. Guys in christ Church for
a couple of days this week and only got the
opportunity to drive around it and things, but it was
just yeah, it felt monumental just to sing it there
all complete and ready to go, so very very exciting. Hey,
what have you got coming up on the show.

Speaker 24 (01:46:34):
Well, we're broadcasting from the stadium. I'm here at the moment.
We've We've got Colin Mansbridge after midday Crusader CEO. Look
at house. He feeling about it now that it's been
christened and we're underway. Dan Carter also on the show
today after one o'clock and we won't forget the Warriors.
I win last night in Wellington, So Andrew Webster after two.

Speaker 3 (01:46:52):
Ah go the Wars. Thanks so much, party, enjoy your afternoon.
It is nineteen to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:46:59):
News Talks ab Hell.

Speaker 6 (01:47:09):
Elfira.

Speaker 3 (01:47:15):
So far, well, it is time to talk travel and
I'm joined now by Meghan Singleton, blogger at large dot com.

Speaker 5 (01:47:24):
Good morning, Megan, Oh, good morning. You cannot listen to
that song without smiling.

Speaker 3 (01:47:30):
Honestly, this was a bit of a highlight on your
latest trist to Nashville.

Speaker 25 (01:47:36):
Such a highlight. So the highlight, honestly for the whole
national trip was being at the Grand Old Opry when
the Oakridge Boys came on the stage three of the
original band members aged eighty seven, eighty three, and eighty two,
and they belted out Elvira. And those who know this
song will know that there's a really deep baritone and

(01:47:58):
he's still got it. I mean, oh, it was the best.
My father would have loved it. And yeah, so a
little bit old school country. Also that very night was
Old Crow Medicine Show. I had never heard of them,
but they co wrote Wagon Wheel with Bob Dylan in
nineteen seventy three.

Speaker 9 (01:48:17):
I did not.

Speaker 25 (01:48:18):
Yeah, so no, it was such a highlight. You really
can't visit Nashville without going to the Grand Ole Opry.
With apologies to my mother who will be listening, because
I brought her to Nashville in twenty thirteen and we
did not see the Grand Ole Opry and that was
remiss of me. But there are some other fantastic things
to do in Nashville. It's really been a city that

(01:48:39):
has surprised me in a great way over the last
few visits i've come to. And another really cool thing
to do is on a Saturday. Only on a Saturday,
you can go to Backstage Nashville, which is a show
that runs on an over lunchtime and it's with the
writers who've written so many of the hits. So they
get up on stage they tell you about how they've

(01:49:01):
written the song, what it's about, who sang it, and
how it was recorded, kind of like how much money,
the kind of a apply, how much money they made
from it, and then they play these hits that you're like,
oh my gosh, you wrote that and it's great. And
so you have a bit of lunch, you get a
burger and fries and you listen to them entertain you
for a couple of hours and that is so with
going to as well as only on one day a week.

(01:49:22):
So I've put that on the blog post on Nashville
so people can look that one up as well.

Speaker 3 (01:49:26):
Also, here's the thing. Obviously, in Nashville, music is going
to be the center of quite a lot of the
things that you do.

Speaker 5 (01:49:31):
But you did it.

Speaker 3 (01:49:31):
Sounds like you really did kind of get around a
little bit with a studio tours and various other things.

Speaker 2 (01:49:37):
Yeah, look, it's really walkable.

Speaker 25 (01:49:39):
I would suggest you stayed downtown. Downtown Nashville and Broadway
is where people where all the bars are. Now it's
very touristy, but we are tourists, right, But if you
want a local experience, you're going to go out into
more of the suburbs.

Speaker 5 (01:49:52):
But it's really walkable.

Speaker 25 (01:49:53):
So you've got the Johnny Cash Museum, you've got the
Country Music Hall of Fame. You've got the Studio b
tour which takes you in a bus out to where
it's still they still use it as a recording studio
where Elvis. You sat at the stein that Elvis played
his tracks at. In some one of the songs, he
got them to switch all the lights off that he
wanted is it was after midnight when he was still

(01:50:13):
doing his band is still recording. He wanted them to
play in the dark for this.

Speaker 13 (01:50:18):
I forget if it was Love Me Tender.

Speaker 25 (01:50:19):
It was one of those songs that only had wonder where.

Speaker 13 (01:50:21):
It's or you made them all play in the dark.

Speaker 25 (01:50:24):
And it's such a cool tour because the guy talks
you through that, he turns the lights off, he plays Elvis,
You're sitting there in front of that Steinway.

Speaker 3 (01:50:31):
It's epic.

Speaker 25 (01:50:32):
Yeah, that's definitely something to add to the tour.

Speaker 3 (01:50:34):
How many days have you had on this particular.

Speaker 25 (01:50:36):
Triplle We got well in Nationale four days and at
the end of it. Now, yeah, four days is enough.
I think four days is enough. I did three days
last time. I felt that wasn't quite enough. I think
if you're going to do the opry were two of
the Ryman Auditorium, which is another It was where your
opry originally started. It's right in town and that's well

(01:50:58):
worth visiting.

Speaker 13 (01:50:58):
There's a little bit of shopping.

Speaker 25 (01:51:00):
There's cowgirl boots to buy, and there's so many bars.

Speaker 5 (01:51:03):
You've got kid Rock, You've got.

Speaker 25 (01:51:05):
Morgan Wall, You've got all the bars lined up there
to go to.

Speaker 13 (01:51:09):
Just listen to the music.

Speaker 25 (01:51:11):
Follow your ears and have a beer wherever you like
your sound.

Speaker 3 (01:51:14):
Really, I love it, Megan. Travel safe. We look forward
to catching up with you when you get back. It's
twelve to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:51:20):
Books with Wikeles for the best election of Greek Reads.

Speaker 3 (01:51:26):
Truly Now is the book manager from Wicklestone. McKenzie. Good morning,
Good morning. Tell me about The Other Catherine by Lauren Keenan.

Speaker 26 (01:51:34):
Lauren is a local writer and a historian who's done
a variety of books. She did a novel for adults
a couple of years ago called The Space Between which
was set down in Taranaki, which I really enjoyed. And
she also did a terrific book called Toytu Tefenua which
is the Places and People of the New Zealand Wars.
And it's a really comprehensive guidebook to the major sites

(01:51:56):
of the New Zealand Wars. So this is a local
woman who knows her stuff about our history. And in
her new book, which as you said, is called The
Other Catherine, she writes about two women from historical times
who are bound together by circumstance and eventually by blood,
but each of them in a very different time. So
it begins in seventeen ninety three, I think, when an

(01:52:18):
eighteen year old woman called Katherine. She's a young Irish
woman and she's sentenced to the colonies and sent out
on a convict ship to Australia. And quite a lot
of the book is about what it's like for the
women in the hold of that convictship sailing out to
New South Wales. Pretty grim and torrid as you can imagine,
but as so often happens with women, when they're thrust

(01:52:39):
together in terribted, difficult circumstances, they make extraordinary friendships which
endure for a long time, and that's what happened. When
they got to Australia. Catherine kept in touch with some
of the other women, particularly one from the ship, and
it was a really important relationship in her life. And
then two generations later there's another Catherine, but she's known

(01:52:59):
here in New Zealand in her native reo. As Kita
finds herself and her loved ones caught up when the
Europeans arrive with the sealism, the whalers and the modern
weapons that they had and impose a really profound change
to their way of Life. I thoroughly enjoyed it. It's
got some really good history in it. It's a story

(01:53:21):
about strong and certainly in the case of Kita, matriarchal woman,
and it's a fine piece of writing.

Speaker 3 (01:53:27):
And these the stories intertwined, even though they do Okay, Yes,
fabulous a new book by Edward Chisholm. Yes, Edward Chisholm.

Speaker 26 (01:53:36):
Well, as you know, I'm a sucker for good narrative nonfiction.
And at Wit calls, we loved the book Empire of
Pain by Patrick red He's one of my favorites. And
I will just say he's got a new one coming
out this coming week.

Speaker 3 (01:53:48):
And we're going to talk to him about it very
shortly on the show at some point in the next month.

Speaker 26 (01:53:52):
I know, I'm very envious. But this one is called
A Murder in Paris sixty eight and Edward Chisholm wrote
a book a couple of years ago called A Waiter in
Paris about his time they're working in the restaurant trade,
so Paris is his stomping ground and he's back there
with this new one, which is a fascinating story. Back

(01:54:12):
in the sixties, there was a very famous Parisian French
film star called Alain Delon, and he was considered to
be the gorgeous man of the moment. And Paris then
was the height of chic, and it was cool, and
there was all sorts of great stuff going on. But
he was so cool. He was at the top of

(01:54:33):
the charts. And when he left France for Hollywood, Life
magazine ran a headline which said, ladies, France exports a devastator,
which I thought was terrific. But he had a much
darker side, and he was well acquainted with the demi
monde of Paris.

Speaker 17 (01:54:47):
And one day the police.

Speaker 26 (01:54:49):
Found a person who'd been beaten up and shot dead
in the side of a road just outside Paris, and
they thought at first that he was indigent, and then
when they discovered that his suit was very good and
his nails were well manicured, they found a trail which
led back to Lane Delon. They were very good friends,
and it's a riveting story about this guy. His name

(01:55:11):
was Devan Markovich, and it became known as the Markovich affair.
And he was a grifter who managed to insinuate his
way into Alandelon's in a circle. And when the police
started to unravel it all. There were politicians, celebrities, gangster's blackmail,
corruption at the highest level that you just can't imagine,
and a lot of scandals. So it's a fascinating look

(01:55:33):
at Paris in a particular time in its history. But
also I will say that the bits about Hollywood that
are Chuckton are also very good.

Speaker 3 (01:55:40):
Thank you so much, Joan. So that second book that
Johan has just mentioned is Murder in Paris sixty eight
by Edward Chisholm. And the first book that Joanes spoke
about was The Other Catherine by Lauren Keenan. Thanks so much, Joan.

Speaker 26 (01:55:52):
See you next week.

Speaker 1 (01:55:54):
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Speaker 3 (01:56:01):
Thank you so much for your company this morning. Enjoy
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to carry for producing the show. Next week. My guest
is Karen Howe, and I am finding AI truly fascinating.
As of course, the last couple of weeks I've been
talking about how I used it to sort of help
me buy car. But what is AI generative? AI truly
about the betterment for humankind or money and power? Who

(01:56:23):
was shaping it, who's governing it, and who is benefiting
and suffering from it. So next week, Karen Howe joins me.
She's one of the most foremost journalists on AI. Her book,
Empire of AI is utterly fascinating and must read. I'm
talking to her head of her visit to the Auckland
Writers Festival, so really looking forward to that. It's a
set joy the rest of your long weekend. Partey's up next.

(01:56:44):
Dan Carter is his guest, Take care see you. Next Sunday.

Speaker 14 (01:56:50):
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