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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudkin
from News Talks EDB.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
In nineteen ninety nine, this song launched the distinctive voice
of Macy great international stardom. The song was huge, so
was the album that was off both top of the
charts here and around the world. Twenty seven years later,
and Macy has sold over twenty five million albums, She's
got a Grammy, she's got brit Awards ten albums, and
she's still going with a new album due out later
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this year. Macy is heading to New Zealand for a
six date tour. She joins me, now, good morning, thanks
for being with us. Absolutely, this is your biggest tour
of New Zealand yet what keeps you coming back?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
I like it though, you know, it's definitely very far
from my home, but every time we go there, we
have a ball. We always get to do interesting things,
interesting food.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
For sure.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I feel like we have seen a few more international
acts sort of broadening out and doing biggo tours and
covering more towns like you are. Do you enjoy that
that you kind of get to see more of the
country and reach a broad audience.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
The world is so big, you know, and I think
it means so much to travel and see different things
and experience different cultures, different food, different different sites, you know,
and and to be able to do that, you know,
through through music and entertaining people. It's just it's just
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huge and anybody that gets to do that is really fortunate,
and so you know, we're all just just really grateful
for it, honestly.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
And I thought, well, I think audiences are really grateful
to Macy. I think after what we've been through over
the last five years, everyone wants to get out and
they they want to feel good, and they want to
be entertained, and they want to hear, you know, amazing
voices they love.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Oh I know, I do, Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Anytime I think people, I think, honestly, you know, we
put so much on on politics and money.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
The most important thing in the world is to be entertained.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
You know. You have to have you know, you have
to have joy to survive. You know, you have to
have you have to be able to take a break
and a mental break, you know, you have your heart
needs a break. And I really don't think that anyone
would be alive if they didn't have entertainment in their life.
You know, I really think that's something that that would
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that would the deprivation of that would I honestly kill you,
you know, because you you would just be so overwhelmed
with reality.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
You know. So I think I think everybody needs that.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
I completely agree, and the people of New Zealand love
you too. You've already sold out three of your six shows.
WHOA We are going to be the first to hear
music from your up and coming album, The Trouble with
the Truth. We're gonna be hearing it live. The album
isn't out just yet. I haven't been able to have
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a listen, So tell me a bit about the album.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
You know, it's hard to describe music.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
It's it's definitely a little bit of an experiment for
me because because I I co produced it, so we'll
see the reaction from that. Why or I'm just doing
you know, I'm doing everything that I really really want
to do, saying the things I want to say. So
so it's a it's more of a purer project than
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my ones in the past. And then it's been a
it's been a big learning experience for me. But but okay,
so on the other side, of it. I think I
think people will really I think it'll connect. I think
people will will like it lyrically, and there's stuff in
there you can dance too, you know, you can sit
back and you know, relax and chill. I think I
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think it's you know, like I said, people want to
be entertained and I and I think I've made an
entertaining album.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
It's interesting, you know you talk about it being a
learning experience, because it must be, you know, to use
it with joy. Again, it must be such a joy
for you to be able to evolve as an artist.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Oh yeah, well yeah, well I think you have to.
But yeah, I've definitely grown up, you know, as an artist.
My voice is a lot more more uh uh.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Skilled and.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Trained, you know, so so yeah, I've definitely definitely grown
up for sure.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
I have heard one song from the album, I'm Too Sexy.
Why did you choose to do a cover of the song?
I love the cover art by the way, You know
what it.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Was a what do you call it? Spontaneous? It just happened.
Where was I it was? It just came on and
I was.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Like, oh my god, we got to do that. Uh.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
It just literally came out of the blue. It wasn't
like I've been thinking about it for years. It was
really spontaneous. And then the thing about that song is
as a musician, you'll really appreciate it because there's all
kinds of if you really just sit back and listen
to it, there's all these little details, and like, technically
it's an amazing song. It's actually a musician song. But
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you know, with the lyrics that everybody, you know, it's
fun and it's something that's like a catchphrase everybody says,
but musically it's actually really really deep. So I think
that's what I appreciated about that the most. But yeah,
and you know, everybody.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Loves that song absolutely. I do want to talk to
you more about your career because you really did break
onto the scene in such a big way in nineteen
ninety nine with that song I Tried, You went to
number one? You want agree me? What was it like
to have that kind of success in recognition so quickly? Everywhere?
Speaker 4 (06:05):
It wasn't quick, everybody everybody was quick.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
So what happened.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
So that song didn't come out?
Speaker 3 (06:12):
I had been signed for about a year before that
song came out, and then when it came out, it
didn't really hit till gosh, they had been they had
been working that record for at least about six months
before anybody really before I really started catching on, you know,
So it took a while to a lot longer than
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everybody realized.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah, no, it felt like to the rist about it
felt like we were just introduced to you and boom,
you know, like there it was. What what was it
after that six months? What was it that just suddenly
made that take off?
Speaker 3 (06:46):
I think just well, my label, you know, they they
knew what they were doing, that's for sure. And I
and I had the first thing I did was go
on tour. But like as soon as I got signed,
before anybody knew who I was, I was I was,
they sent me out to play shows and so I
kind of made a name from myself the hard way,
you know. I was I was and I and I
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did it internationally. The first the first place I told
was it was Europe was the UK actually, so.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
You know, it's a grind, you know, and every everybody
has to do it.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
I think I think a lot of artists come out
of nowhere and there's this myth that they just you know,
woke up and all these good things happened, but you
really can't skip the work that you have to put
into it to get where you want to go.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
You know, there's there's really no way around, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
And may see in a way your journey was a
little is a little different from other artists. You already
had three quite young children by the time you were
signed and started recording music. I have a lot of
respect for you managing three children and then you know,
suddenly this success.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Yeah, I was a mom, I had been married when
I got signed, and uh, I did it kind of backwards.
Everybody does it the other way around, I think. But
you know, that's that's typical of me to do things
the wrong way. Not that it was wrong, but but
that's not usually how everybody does it.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
You know.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Well, it's all about it's all about timing right now.
You don't know when that success is going to come
and when it when it drops, it drops, and you
kind of got to go with it. I'm sure it
was quite a challenge though with with with three children.
Well do they keep you grounded?
Speaker 3 (08:26):
They do? If you you know, Uh, nothing is more
humbling than than kids having kids, you know, But it
was I think because I was much younger, and I
was so excited and and uh just really like partying
and having fun. I don't I don't really think I
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sat down and analyzed how how hard or how heavy
that was and and really started through like I should have,
you know. So you know, I made a lot of
mistakes along the way, but well, we all had fun.
You know, my kids have been all over the world
and uh have seen you know everything, you know, not everything,
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but they've seen things that a lot of kids their
age haven't. And but yeah, it's it's difficult because both
are priorities. You know, your work is the most important
thing in the world, and your kids done the most
important thing in the world, and so you spend a
lot of time figuring out what to do next, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
May see, you eventually went independent in twenty ten. Was
that a better fit for you? Why did you make
that decision?
Speaker 3 (09:40):
I think it was a moment where the recordsiness was
really changing drastically, and there was this there was this
idea that in department pendent artists it was like the
cool thing to do, and if you were at a
certain level, you didn't need the label. And so I
think I tried it out at that point.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
But and that's true.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Being independent is amazing, but you also have to you know,
you have to know how to run your own label,
you know, like you can be independent and you can
put your stuff out and but if you don't know
how everything works and all the things, you have to
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you know, check mark in order to get to a
certain point and reach a certain amount of people, you
have to have an extraordinary amount of finances to do
it properly.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
You know.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
It's it's a real it's it's very expensive to be
in the record business. So you know, it was just
it was I think at the time, it was an
experiment and I and I thought, oh I can do this,
you know, but it's it's one thing to like to
put your record out right, but there's nothing like having
you know, a whole other crew of people in I
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don't know, in New Zealand working your album, you know
what I mean, Like, you just can't do that on
your own.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
There's just no way.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
So it's but it's definitely interesting and you'll learn a
lot from it. And there are some artists that have
done and insane things on their own. But I don't
think I've had enough of an understanding of how the
record business works and to do it, to do it myself.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
You know, or just part of the learning and the evolving,
isn't it, Macy? Hey? Can I yeah?
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Can I ask you really quickly about your incredible voice
because it is so distinctive And you mentioned before that
you know you've kind of maybe worked technically on it,
but once upon a time, and I know that when
you were a kid you were bullied at school for
your voice? Is that right?
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Yeah, I still get nobody bullies me, but I still
everybody still makes fun of my voice that just will
never go away.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
I've accepted it, finally.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Do they still make fun of your voice?
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Yeah? Everybody marks my voice.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Not everybody, but they do, like when they if they
won't me, they always do it in my.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Voice, like people that are close to me. It's pretty funny.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Actually, I'm glad you're laughing. Good, I'm glad you laugh
about it. How old were you though when you realized
how old were you though? When you realized that you
did actually this voice could communicate with people, that it
was this amazing tool that you had.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
I didn't really wrap my head around until I was
in my twenties. I was a late bloomer, but I
had a hunch, you know, that maybe my voice was
peculiar for a reason, and so, you know, and so
I went for it. But it took me a while
to really settle into work what I really really wanted
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to do, you know, I was I was into my
twenties for sure, like maybe twenty two, twenty three.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
And you've done a bit of acting as well. Is
that something that you're keen to continue doing.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Yeah, it's been slow for me. So I've actually been
working on my own writing, my own thing and wanting
to get that made. But yeah, it's it's I love it,
I don't you know. I'm definitely not you know, Meryl
Street for anybody, but I do enjoy it.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
But it's it's a chat like music. I can do
in my sleep.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
I can literally go to bed and still make a
record and do a show. But acting I have to
you know, I have to get a cold, I have
to really work work at it. You know, I'm nervous
while I'm doing it. It's it's totally different, you.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Know, Masie. Thank you so much for your time today.
Can't wait to have you back in New Zee. I'm
so looking forward to the tour. Are you still listening
to Britney Spears before you go on live or if
you found something else?
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (13:44):
I used to only listen to her, so you know,
I'm now in my evolution, of course I mix it up,
but yeah, I still I still listen to Brittany before
I go on.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Sometimes, yep, I give me more, that's the one. Give
me more doesn't hype you up? Then I don't know
what to tell you.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Macie Gray, thank you so much, all right, thank you?
How cool is Maxi Gray? If you wanted to get
her in concert? Tickets are on sale now. She's heading
our way in October.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
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