It feels like it's flown a bit under the radar, but the Commonwealth Games start this Friday.
This year's games is a reduced format. Initially set to be hosted in Melbourne, the event was moved to Glasgow after the Aussies pulled out due to cost concerns.
NZ team Chef de Mission Nigel Avery has arrived in Glasgow, and he joined Francesca Rudkin to talk about what we can expect over the next couple of weeks.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudkin
from News Talks EDB.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Now it feels like it's flowing a bit under the radar,
doesn't it. But the Commonwealth Games start this Friday. This
year's Games is a reduced format. Initially set to be
hosted in Melbourne, the event was moved to Glasgow after
the Aussie's pulled out due to cost concerns. New Zealand
team shifter mission Nigel Avery has arrived in Glasgow. He
joins me now to let us know what we can
expect over the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Nigel, good morning, Good morning to you, Francesca, thanks for
having me on.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I think you have just arrived in Glasgow. I don't
know if you can tell me how it's feeling. Do
you get a sense that there are some Commonwealth Games
happening at the end of the week.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
You certainly do. So. We were here back in March
and it was just Glasgow City arriving a few or
my band hoar ago. There's bunting up and posters and
as you're walking out, you know, through into the baggage
claim and whatnot in the terminals and then street signage.
So it's looking like a game city.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Happening, but a very different Commonwealth Games as time around.
How are you feeling a few days out from the start.
Is it feeling different for you?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Well, I guess it is different. We have fewer athletes,
fewer support people to go along with that. There's only
ten sports we had twenty two I think in Birmingham
four years ago. But I guess the way we go
about doing things is unchanged. We just want to create
an environment to allow athletes to succeed and to whatever
level they can on the day, and so we're hell
(01:40):
bent on trying to do that for them.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
And when do the athletes start arriving?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Yes, I think the first arrivals are on the twentieth,
So there's a period of stay mandated by the organizing
company only three to four days before competition. Then they
I've got to be out two days after the competition
for that sport finishes. So yeah, I'm sure they'd like
to be here before that, but it's just it is
what it is. There'll be a lot of a lot
(02:07):
of trade offs that will be different from a service
perspective these games than prior editions and We've been really
sort of tight with the athletes and explaining that so
that when they get here, you know what they might
expect and that's not not presented to them. They're not
going to get bummed.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Out by it, because that's essentially part of your job,
wasn't it, making sure that everything runs smoothly and they
can just focus on their event.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Essentially. Yeah, and for the for the sports managers as well.
You know, they're so used to doing everything, so we
take a lot of that load off them and so
they can focus on on performance. And that's really what
we want to do. We want to just as I said,
creative environment where you know they're happy, they're healthy, they've
been well looked after and catered for, and all they
(02:53):
have to think about is that competition.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Nigel, is that new the requirements around not arriving at
a certain time and leaving at a certain time or
is that just for this particular Comonwealth games.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
H it's for this particular Commorth game. So most games
they have a village opening date and so you can't
move them before that. But then if you are competing
towards the end of the program, you could still elect
to show up when the village opened. So now because
of they're using hotels instead of a village, I said,
they want to mitigate cost because they are doing it
(03:27):
on a shoe string, and so that's why they've done that. Said, look, guys,
you know we can't have you, you know, coming, you know,
five days before the event starts and then waiting till
the closing ceremony, you know, to leave.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Because this is the thing.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Right.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Cities normally have a really long time to prepare for
Commonwealth Games. Glasgow's had less than two years. Do you
think they're ready? Have they done a good job?
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Look, as I said, we're here in March and I
was really impressed with the state of readiness. We're still
unsure about you know, there's still going to be some
things that may not go to their plane, and so
we're just going to be really nimble except that you
know that that could be the case, and just just
work with what's in front of us. But I think
they really have done a lot of work in a
(04:10):
really short period of time. The runway was very short,
and talking with some of them back in March, they said, well, look,
because we've had such little time, our meetings are really
really strictly short and to the point, and so I
think they've been quite efficient and very pragmatic in their approach.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Who doesn't love shorter meetings Glasgow maybe showing what can
be done on a reduced time frame and a budget.
I mean, you know, if this works well, could this
potentially be a model that's look to, you know, to
sort of sustain the Commonwealth Games? Do you think?
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Yeah, I think it could. I think your future organizing
committees would certainly like a bit more time prepare, but
utilizing existing infrastructure is the way to go. You know.
I've just spent a couple of days in Los Angeles
looking at LA twenty eight, so they had some open days.
You know, they're based in UCLA using existing student accommodations.
(05:05):
They don't have to building anything, and so I think
it is a model, perhaps not ideally to the scale
of this one, and hopefully can be enlarged from that
to allow more sports to participate, but it makes economic sense,
I think, to do it the way they've done it,
or in a similar vein.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
So an example of that is that I heard that
the Bowls is being taken indoors this year, which I
presume is just making the most of existing facilities. But
would that have an impact.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Well, I think from what I've talked to the our
New Zealand Bowls team members, it could actually kind of
help level the playing field because the greens in the
Northern Hemisphere are different to the Southern Hemisphere, and so
if they're coming up to play outdoors, there'd be a
bit of adjustment needs to be made, whereas the indoor arena.
I think they probably had a little bit more time
(05:55):
on that ROUTI of you, compared to their counterparts up
this part of the world, So it could be a
bit of a leveler for us.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
It's going to be interesting, isn't it. There's going to
be some things which might end up being benefits and
others that might not. It's going to be interesting see
how it kind of all plays out. So talk us
through our the sports that we have got taking place
at these games.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Yeah, So, I guess you know the biggest sports. You know,
you've got track and field and power athletics, swimming, pera swimming, cycling,
para cycling. Then you've got the sort of the weightlifting,
you know, judo, three by three basketball three three basketball,
which is a new one for the Commonwealth Games. What
(06:39):
else we got? I'm a bit jet lag there, Francesca,
so you might have caught me on the whole.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
That's all right, you're doing a very good job over
very much.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Bold bowls and artistic gymnastics. I think that repsid up.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
There we go, there, we go, well done. So we've
got one hundred and sixteen athletes. That's half of what
we had at last games. As you mentioned, what can
they expect in the village when they arrive? Is it
different from that of other games?
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Similar experience, Very different in that we're all staying in hotels.
So for example, every athletics athlete from every country is
staying in one hotel because it's basically they've situated the
athletes where proximity to their training and competition venues are.
(07:27):
So athletics is in one hotel. Another hotel swimming, cycling
and artistic gymnastics because it's closest to their venues. And
that's just New Zealand, might be few other nations, and
then all of other six sports are in a separate
hotel with one other nation. I think it's Northern Ireland
who will be joining us, and so very very different,
(07:49):
and so at the Village Hotel, which coincidentally is called
the Village, we've set up our athlete hub which I'm
walking around now. It's in a bit of a state
of disrepair getting prepared to be put up and it's
where our medical team will be based our preparation recovery
because it's the largest operational foot that we've been given
by the organizers. So very different experience, really different.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Do you think they'll miss the village atmosphere.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Potentially? You know, some people thrive on it, others get
overawed by it, and so it's a bit of a
mixed bage that the Track and Field Hotel it's an
all own thing right that we athletes from all all countries.
The Village Hotel for New Zealand will be kind of
cool because it's six of our sports based there and
they love interacting each other. And then a smaller scale
(08:36):
where the swimming, track, cycling and genstics are so lots.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Of changes with the way the sort of the village.
You know this with the set up potentially with the
number of sport and things like that, but when it
comes to going and doing your event, you'll be the
events themselves. Are all being run exactly as athletes expected
or you know, would normally undertake.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
I think largely they are. Like Glasgow has got an
amazing history of putting good events and big events on
European Champs, World Champs, so they know what they're doing.
Facility is a world class and so I think optically
from a spectator point of view, looking and cheering a
team on on the TV, it's gonna look like, yeah,
it's all it's all the same. Yeah. Now there's one
(09:22):
one quirky thing at athletics where the warm up venues.
It's a bit of a a bit of a band aid.
It's not a full warm up athletics warm up track,
and so they'll have to adapt to that and move on.
But talking with Yeah Athletics New Zealand guys, they say, look,
that's kind of what it is like at World Indoors,
so we'll just we'll just get on with it and compete.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Nigel, I know you're completely impartial in your role, but
you do have a weightlifting background. We've got seven weightlifters
competing for New Zealand. What are you expecting from them?
Speaker 3 (09:53):
It's I think speak it's a lot of excitement I
mean weight things. It's a real sporting theater, you know,
mind over matter, just willing yourself to you know, to
get under a bar, and no matter whether you' midway
in the packer on the podium, it's still it's a
massive effort to get out there as a soul spotlights
on you. But excited to see what what David does.
(10:17):
He's sort of getting towards, you know, the twilight of
his career and some of the younger the younger lifters
and particularly females are looking pretty hard as well. So
but what White thing is one of those sports that
you know, the stars have got to be in alignment
and things are going to go your way. So we
you know, as I said, we're going to try and
do our best to do everything we can apart from
(10:37):
get on the platform with them to help them do
as well as they can.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
What else are you looking forward to?
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Gosh, all sorts of stuff. I really really enjoy the
track cycling, that's that's so much fun. And obviously Alise Andrews,
you know, she's she's just come off for being in
a professional curing sort of circuit in Japan, so she'll
be race hardened for that. Obviously, athletics, you know, it's
(11:05):
a sport I grew up with and really passionate about,
so that's that's exciting. And I think also the netball obviously,
you know, clearly has been smooth sailing for those guys,
you know, in the last fee while. So I'm really
looking forward to watching them push because of having talk
with them and Dame Noleine and the coaching stuff. They're
they're pretty determined, so I'll I'm really excited to see
(11:25):
how they go.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Nigel, you mentioned it. On the way to Gladsgow, you
stopped in at LA to see how things are shaping
up for the twenty twenty eight Olympics. Are you getting
a sense of what the LA Games will be like?
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yeah, Look, I mean Americans, they're not going to hold
back on vegeantry and pomp and ras mataires, so I
think the overlay is going to be pretty impressive. They're
they're really well organized. So basically we're there two years
before the opening sermon. The fifteenth of July twenty twenty
eight is the opening and you know, I kind of
felt that they're ahead of the game compared to you know,
(12:00):
where Paris was at a similar stage perhaps, but it's
going to be it's gonna be a different game, supers,
but I think it's gonna be awesome. It'd be really
really cool.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
And I know it's all on hold at the moment,
but there have been talks about New Zealand bidding for
an event in coming years. Would you like to see
a Commonwealth Games at home?
Speaker 3 (12:18):
I'd love to. I'd love to, but only if it
made good economic sense, only if we could do it
in a way that's not going to strangle the country economically,
and in a way that we can get the whole
country in behind it, because you know it needs that.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Nigel, thank you so much for your time today, especially
after literally just spending in Caresgo an hour ago. Really
appreciate it. We can't wait to see the team in
action at the end of the week. Enjoy the Commonwealth Games.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Thank you very much, froan Cessca. I appreciate your support.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
So we'll be able to start watching Conwealth Games this
Friday and you're able to catch that on Sky.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
For more from the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin, listen
live to news Talks. There'd be from nine am Sunday
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You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudkin
from News Talks EDB.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Now it feels like it's flowing a bit under the radar,
doesn't it. But the Commonwealth Games start this Friday. This
year's Games is a reduced format. Initially set to be
hosted in Melbourne, the event was moved to Glasgow after
the Aussie's pulled out due to cost concerns. New Zealand
team shifter mission Nigel Avery has arrived in Glasgow. He
joins me now to let us know what we can
expect over the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Nigel, good morning, Good morning to you, Francesca, thanks for
having me on.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I think you have just arrived in Glasgow. I don't
know if you can tell me how it's feeling. Do
you get a sense that there are some Commonwealth Games
happening at the end of the week.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
You certainly do. So. We were here back in March
and it was just Glasgow City arriving a few or
my band hoar ago. There's bunting up and posters and
as you're walking out, you know, through into the baggage
claim and whatnot in the terminals and then street signage.
So it's looking like a game city.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Happening, but a very different Commonwealth Games as time around.
How are you feeling a few days out from the start.
Is it feeling different for you?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Well, I guess it is different. We have fewer athletes,
fewer support people to go along with that. There's only
ten sports we had twenty two I think in Birmingham
four years ago. But I guess the way we go
about doing things is unchanged. We just want to create
an environment to allow athletes to succeed and to whatever
level they can on the day, and so we're hell
(01:40):
bent on trying to do that for them.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
And when do the athletes start arriving?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Yes, I think the first arrivals are on the twentieth,
So there's a period of stay mandated by the organizing
company only three to four days before competition. Then they
I've got to be out two days after the competition
for that sport finishes. So yeah, I'm sure they'd like
to be here before that, but it's just it is
what it is. There'll be a lot of a lot
(02:07):
of trade offs that will be different from a service
perspective these games than prior editions and We've been really
sort of tight with the athletes and explaining that so
that when they get here, you know what they might
expect and that's not not presented to them. They're not
going to get bummed.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Out by it, because that's essentially part of your job,
wasn't it, making sure that everything runs smoothly and they
can just focus on their event.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Essentially. Yeah, and for the for the sports managers as well.
You know, they're so used to doing everything, so we
take a lot of that load off them and so
they can focus on on performance. And that's really what
we want to do. We want to just as I said,
creative environment where you know they're happy, they're healthy, they've
been well looked after and catered for, and all they
(02:53):
have to think about is that competition.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Nigel, is that new the requirements around not arriving at
a certain time and leaving at a certain time or
is that just for this particular Comonwealth games.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
H it's for this particular Commorth game. So most games
they have a village opening date and so you can't
move them before that. But then if you are competing
towards the end of the program, you could still elect
to show up when the village opened. So now because
of they're using hotels instead of a village, I said,
they want to mitigate cost because they are doing it
(03:27):
on a shoe string, and so that's why they've done that. Said, look, guys,
you know we can't have you, you know, coming, you know,
five days before the event starts and then waiting till
the closing ceremony, you know, to leave.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Because this is the thing.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Right.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Cities normally have a really long time to prepare for
Commonwealth Games. Glasgow's had less than two years. Do you
think they're ready? Have they done a good job?
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Look, as I said, we're here in March and I
was really impressed with the state of readiness. We're still
unsure about you know, there's still going to be some
things that may not go to their plane, and so
we're just going to be really nimble except that you
know that that could be the case, and just just
work with what's in front of us. But I think
they really have done a lot of work in a
(04:10):
really short period of time. The runway was very short,
and talking with some of them back in March, they said, well, look,
because we've had such little time, our meetings are really
really strictly short and to the point, and so I
think they've been quite efficient and very pragmatic in their approach.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Who doesn't love shorter meetings Glasgow maybe showing what can
be done on a reduced time frame and a budget.
I mean, you know, if this works well, could this
potentially be a model that's look to, you know, to
sort of sustain the Commonwealth Games? Do you think?
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Yeah, I think it could. I think your future organizing
committees would certainly like a bit more time prepare, but
utilizing existing infrastructure is the way to go. You know.
I've just spent a couple of days in Los Angeles
looking at LA twenty eight, so they had some open days.
You know, they're based in UCLA using existing student accommodations.
(05:05):
They don't have to building anything, and so I think
it is a model, perhaps not ideally to the scale
of this one, and hopefully can be enlarged from that
to allow more sports to participate, but it makes economic sense,
I think, to do it the way they've done it,
or in a similar vein.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
So an example of that is that I heard that
the Bowls is being taken indoors this year, which I
presume is just making the most of existing facilities. But
would that have an impact.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Well, I think from what I've talked to the our
New Zealand Bowls team members, it could actually kind of
help level the playing field because the greens in the
Northern Hemisphere are different to the Southern Hemisphere, and so
if they're coming up to play outdoors, there'd be a
bit of adjustment needs to be made, whereas the indoor arena.
I think they probably had a little bit more time
(05:55):
on that ROUTI of you, compared to their counterparts up
this part of the world, So it could be a
bit of a leveler for us.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
It's going to be interesting, isn't it. There's going to
be some things which might end up being benefits and
others that might not. It's going to be interesting see
how it kind of all plays out. So talk us
through our the sports that we have got taking place
at these games.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Yeah, So, I guess you know the biggest sports. You know,
you've got track and field and power athletics, swimming, pera swimming, cycling,
para cycling. Then you've got the sort of the weightlifting,
you know, judo, three by three basketball three three basketball,
which is a new one for the Commonwealth Games. What
(06:39):
else we got? I'm a bit jet lag there, Francesca,
so you might have caught me on the whole.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
That's all right, you're doing a very good job over
very much.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Bold bowls and artistic gymnastics. I think that repsid up.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
There we go, there, we go, well done. So we've
got one hundred and sixteen athletes. That's half of what
we had at last games. As you mentioned, what can
they expect in the village when they arrive? Is it
different from that of other games?
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Similar experience, Very different in that we're all staying in hotels.
So for example, every athletics athlete from every country is
staying in one hotel because it's basically they've situated the
athletes where proximity to their training and competition venues are.
(07:27):
So athletics is in one hotel. Another hotel swimming, cycling
and artistic gymnastics because it's closest to their venues. And
that's just New Zealand, might be few other nations, and
then all of other six sports are in a separate
hotel with one other nation. I think it's Northern Ireland
who will be joining us, and so very very different,
(07:49):
and so at the Village Hotel, which coincidentally is called
the Village, we've set up our athlete hub which I'm
walking around now. It's in a bit of a state
of disrepair getting prepared to be put up and it's
where our medical team will be based our preparation recovery
because it's the largest operational foot that we've been given
by the organizers. So very different experience, really different.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Do you think they'll miss the village atmosphere.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Potentially? You know, some people thrive on it, others get
overawed by it, and so it's a bit of a
mixed bage that the Track and Field Hotel it's an
all own thing right that we athletes from all all countries.
The Village Hotel for New Zealand will be kind of
cool because it's six of our sports based there and
they love interacting each other. And then a smaller scale
(08:36):
where the swimming, track, cycling and genstics are so lots.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Of changes with the way the sort of the village.
You know this with the set up potentially with the
number of sport and things like that, but when it
comes to going and doing your event, you'll be the
events themselves. Are all being run exactly as athletes expected
or you know, would normally undertake.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
I think largely they are. Like Glasgow has got an
amazing history of putting good events and big events on
European Champs, World Champs, so they know what they're doing.
Facility is a world class and so I think optically
from a spectator point of view, looking and cheering a
team on on the TV, it's gonna look like, yeah,
it's all it's all the same. Yeah. Now there's one
(09:22):
one quirky thing at athletics where the warm up venues.
It's a bit of a a bit of a band aid.
It's not a full warm up athletics warm up track,
and so they'll have to adapt to that and move on.
But talking with Yeah Athletics New Zealand guys, they say, look,
that's kind of what it is like at World Indoors,
so we'll just we'll just get on with it and compete.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Nigel, I know you're completely impartial in your role, but
you do have a weightlifting background. We've got seven weightlifters
competing for New Zealand. What are you expecting from them?
Speaker 3 (09:53):
It's I think speak it's a lot of excitement I
mean weight things. It's a real sporting theater, you know,
mind over matter, just willing yourself to you know, to
get under a bar, and no matter whether you' midway
in the packer on the podium, it's still it's a
massive effort to get out there as a soul spotlights
on you. But excited to see what what David does.
(10:17):
He's sort of getting towards, you know, the twilight of
his career and some of the younger the younger lifters
and particularly females are looking pretty hard as well. So
but what White thing is one of those sports that
you know, the stars have got to be in alignment
and things are going to go your way. So we
you know, as I said, we're going to try and
do our best to do everything we can apart from
(10:37):
get on the platform with them to help them do
as well as they can.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
What else are you looking forward to?
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Gosh, all sorts of stuff. I really really enjoy the
track cycling, that's that's so much fun. And obviously Alise Andrews,
you know, she's she's just come off for being in
a professional curing sort of circuit in Japan, so she'll
be race hardened for that. Obviously, athletics, you know, it's
(11:05):
a sport I grew up with and really passionate about,
so that's that's exciting. And I think also the netball obviously,
you know, clearly has been smooth sailing for those guys,
you know, in the last fee while. So I'm really
looking forward to watching them push because of having talk
with them and Dame Noleine and the coaching stuff. They're
they're pretty determined, so I'll I'm really excited to see
(11:25):
how they go.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Nigel, you mentioned it. On the way to Gladsgow, you
stopped in at LA to see how things are shaping
up for the twenty twenty eight Olympics. Are you getting
a sense of what the LA Games will be like?
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yeah, Look, I mean Americans, they're not going to hold
back on vegeantry and pomp and ras mataires, so I
think the overlay is going to be pretty impressive. They're
they're really well organized. So basically we're there two years
before the opening sermon. The fifteenth of July twenty twenty
eight is the opening and you know, I kind of
felt that they're ahead of the game compared to you know,
(12:00):
where Paris was at a similar stage perhaps, but it's
going to be it's gonna be a different game, supers,
but I think it's gonna be awesome. It'd be really
really cool.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
And I know it's all on hold at the moment,
but there have been talks about New Zealand bidding for
an event in coming years. Would you like to see
a Commonwealth Games at home?
Speaker 3 (12:18):
I'd love to. I'd love to, but only if it
made good economic sense, only if we could do it
in a way that's not going to strangle the country economically,
and in a way that we can get the whole
country in behind it, because you know it needs that.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Nigel, thank you so much for your time today, especially
after literally just spending in Caresgo an hour ago. Really
appreciate it. We can't wait to see the team in
action at the end of the week. Enjoy the Commonwealth Games.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Thank you very much, froan Cessca. I appreciate your support.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
So we'll be able to start watching Conwealth Games this
Friday and you're able to catch that on Sky.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
For more from the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin, listen
live to news Talks. There'd be from nine am Sunday
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio,
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