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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Tom Daily is best known for his talents jumping off
a diving board. Tom has five Olympic medals, making him
Britain's most decorated diver. He's also one of Britain's youngest
ever Olympians, having first competed just fourteen years old. But
these days, Tom is somewhat of a celebrity knitter. If
you cast your mind back to the Tokyo Olympics, you
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will remember Tom going viral for knitting in the stands
between events. Tom now owns a knitting brand and has
even been known to knit creations for celebrities. Since retiring,
he's been doing some TV work, which naturally led to
him hosting Game of Wool Britain's Best Knitter. It is
the most delightful show. And Tom joins me now from
his home in La Tom Daily, good morning.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Good morning.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Yes, it's the summer holidays here in Los Angeles, so
my kids are home from school as well, so it's chaos,
as many parents can relate.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
One of my enduring memories of the Tokyo and the
Paris Olympics are shots of you knitting in the stands.
How did knitting start for you?
Speaker 4 (01:16):
I mean, knitting came into my life just before lockdown,
actually as a way of me being able to relax
and unwind.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
But it didn't really start for that reason.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
It started as a way of me being able to
stop going around and going to museums and going to
markets and running around and racing around on weekends.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Because my coach said that on the.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Weekends I was too busy and she wanted me to
find something that I could sit down, relax and come
in more recovered on a Monday. So then my husband
said to me, because he's a filmmaker and works in film,
TV producer, writer, director, there are lots of actors while
they're waiting on set would knit. So I was like,
you know what, Okay, I'll get my knitting needles and
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my yarn and went onto the YouTube university and taught
myself how to knit from some YouTube tutorials and became
pretty obsessed pretty quickly, and I I loved it, and
before I knew it, it became my mindfulness. It became
my meditation, and it became my way of switching off
from the world around me and taught me to slow down,
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be present, be in the moment, and I genuinely think
it became my superpower.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Did it heave an impact when you were knitting between events?
Speaker 3 (02:26):
What did that?
Speaker 2 (02:27):
What did that do for you? How did that help
your performance?
Speaker 4 (02:31):
I mean being able to sit and knit in between events,
because when you're going, especially at an Olympic Games, there
is so much going on, and going into an Olympic Games,
like Tokyo, for example, in the height of COVID, there
we weren't allowed to socialize. We weren't All we were
allowed to do was go to the pool and train,
go back, eat and be in the food hall for
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such a small amount of time, go back to the
room and sit and wait to compete. So there was
so much time to overthink. So it allowed me to
get out of my head.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
So and there were while so many of.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
My competitors were sitting there thinking about their competition, thinking
about the things that could go well, the things that
could go terribly. I was excited to get back to
the room to be able to knit because there wasn't
anything else that I could do.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
I was able to like put my time and energy
into something else.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
And I think any other knitter or crochea out there
will be able to relate to the fact of that
feeling that you get when you're able to just sit down,
whether it's in front of the TV, whether it's listening
to music, whether it's with a cup of tea, whether
it's in the garden, whether it's you know, just sitting
in your living room, wherever it is, your safe space
to knit or crochet.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
It just gives you that feeling that like no other.
And you know, some people. For some people that might.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Be going for a walk or reading a book, but
for me that was knitting.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
You really took to knitting. It's not just a hobby.
And I wonder if this is just a bit of
your personality, Tom, I mean, to take a side hobby
and really launch into it with everything you have. I mean,
I imagine that's what you kind of you know, you
need to give it. You're all, if you're going to
be a successful Olympian, right, would I be creaked in
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that assumption?
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Yeah? I mean, you know, I'm quite the I'm quite competitive.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
I mean, I think you have to be competitive to
be an Olympian at a certain point. But you know
I like to put if I do anything, if it's
worth doing, it's worth doing right is a motto that
I like to live by. It's something that my husband's
mum used to live by as she's sadly passed away now,
but it's something that we kind of live by day
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day by day, and it's something that we instill in
our kids as well. If it's worth doing, it's worth
doing right. So if we're going to try and do something,
and we try and do something, you know, as we
try and.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Put our best effort into something.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
For me with knitting, it also really helps it if
you enjoy it, like I've been so lucky to find
things that I've enjoyed, you know, I've also found things
that I really didn't enjoy Like most people think of
me as an Olympian. Oh, you must have really enjoyed
like doing pe I don't know if you call it.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Pee in New Zealand as well.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Yeah, okay, cool, but you must have really enjoyed pea
at school. And actually no, I hated it like most sports.
I hate like there's I don't I hate.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Like I'm names. I know, it's like almost like swearing
for New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
But like you know, rugby when we were when we
had to do rugby at school, it's just not me.
I'd like rugby and football and all of those sports
that you.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Had to do at school. I just like in cricket
just really wasn't for me.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Like and I was more into gymnastics and diving and
all of like the Olympic sports. You know, I could
get behind, like running and athletics and you know, all
of the things that took a little bit more like
skill and like little bit more like throat, like even
archery and things like that, I could get behind. But
it was like the things that were like full contact
sports that just weren't for me. So it was, yeah,
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I don't know, whatever it was.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
If I enjoyed it, I wanted to put my all
into it.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Absolutely interesting when you see before though, you know, if
you're going to do something, it's worth doing it well.
But does that mean, because I would imagine you have
to leave go of perfection a little bit. If you're
a knitter or a crochetre, you just have to accept
that sometimes when something is handmade, it might not be
quite you know, its perfect is.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Of course, I mean it's not necessarily time to do it.
It's not necessarily if it's worth doing, it's worth doing well,
it's worth doing right in terms of it's worth taking
the time to not rush it, it's worth taking the
time to be able to you know, it's not just like, oh,
that'll do It'll be like, you know, I'm just going
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to actually enjoy the process of doing that, you know.
And that's something that I've with Knitting taught me a
lot actually, with being able to take some of the
lessons that I learned into diving. For example, knitting, you
make a mistake and you have to unravel everything before
in any other like thing in my life, if I
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had to start from the beginning, I would get really frustrated.
But I would actually get excited about starting from the
beginning because I wasn't asking from scratch. I was starting
from experience, and I was able to start from the
beginning and learn from my mistakes and start again and
do something new with it. So that was something I
was able to do with diving. I was then able
to try new things not worry about trying those new
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things because I was like, you know what, I'll try
something new and if it doesn't go right, I get
to start again and not make the same mistake twice.
And I know it sounds silly that you kind of
get stuck in your ways, and you know, as you
get older as an athlete, but when you start trying
new things, even if it's with knitting and things go wrong,
you just learn that actually trying new things is actually okay.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah, no, I don't think I don't think that sounds
silly at all. So you now host Game of Wool.
This was one of your first big hosting gigs. Did
you love it?
Speaker 3 (07:49):
I absolutely loved Game of War.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Game of War for me was like a dream come
true to be able to be part of a knitting community,
to be able to talk about knitting all day every day,
for it to be some kind of competition, and you know,
it was so much fun. And the group of knitters
that we had was they were all so supportive of
one another. And I think that's the amazing thing about
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the world of knitting and the world of craft, is
that everybody wants to support one another. And that was
what I found when I first started knitting as well,
is that you have a question about knitting or you
want to learn any technique or you're stuck with something,
you go online and everybody's willing to help you. And
I think that's something that's really special. And I think
that's something that Game of Wall really highlights, is that
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everybody is willing to help one another and there isn't
that animosity within like towards each other.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
And I think that's something that's really special.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
And so I hope people are enjoying it over in
I mean it's been out in the UK for a
while now, but I believe it's out in New Zealand
now just now.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
And look, I completely agree with you. I think this
is one of the loveliest feel good shows on TV.
It just reminds us that, you know, we can be
you know that humans can be good people even when
they're in the middle of a competition and things. You know,
as you say, they're also supportive of each other. I
have to discuss your outfit. Yeah, spectacular?
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Oh thank you?
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Were you responsible for any of these yourself? Who made
these wonderful creations that you got to wear?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (09:18):
So I work with my stylist, James Yardley, who I've
worked with for ten to twelve long time now twelve
years and we were like, we know, we wanted to
be able to show people what you could do with
nitwear with crochet, and show the different things that people
can make. So we worked with lots of independent designers,
lots of people that had just recently graduated from Central
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Saint Martin's which is a fashion school in the UK,
lots of custom made things, all handmade. There was also
a couple of archival Stella McCartney pieces towards the end
of the show as well, and the finale, which is
probably the thing that was the most unconventional, let's say,
to wear, was an archival Stella McCartney piece, which was
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quite interesting to have to wear around the yarn barn
because it wasn't the most practical thing to wear. But
in the first episode, actually the thing that I was
wearing was made by Sheila, one of the judges, which
was interesting. So because I came into the armbun she
was like, is that laffetite? And I was like, yes,
it is, and she was like and she was like
I made that, and I was like, oh, well, there
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you go.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
What like surprise, oh wonderful.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I think a lot of people probably a kind of
surprised that we've turned knitting into mass see reality TV.
I'm not a knitter. My mother was a knitter. But
interestingly my daughter, my teenage daughter, is really good at
knitting and crochet. She's right into it. What has the
audience been for this show?
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Yeah, surprisingly, Actually the audience is skewed very young, and
you know that it has been like a very wide
ranging thing. It's very cross generational, and I think, like
you say, knitting is something that people reminisce. It's like, oh,
my grandma used to knit and she taught me when
I was younger, and I haven't done in ages. And
then a grandma might teach a granddaughter or a grandson
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how to knit, and.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
So there's all of these different age ranges.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
But we found that in the UK that there was
a big, big group of eighteen to twenty four year
olds that were watching this show because I think there's
a big group of gen Z and younger that are
wanting to kind of not being anti technology, that's not
so much the word, but they're wanting to slow down.
They're wanting to do some more of the what are
typically known as the grandma hobbies. If you like the
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ones that are being able to make things by hand,
to slow down and be slightly more creative and have
that outlet that's not.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Just sitting in front of a screen.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
And I think that's something that's really special about this
craft is that each stitch is made with love, and
each stitch is like perfectly imperfect, and when you finish it,
you're able to either wear that thing that you spent
those hours and hours and hours making or gift it
to someone else. And there's just something so special about
being able to hand over something that you've poured so
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much love into. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
No, I think it's wonderful seeing this revival and handmade
crafts and sort of tradition and things. Again, Tom, you
retired from diving for good after I come big at
Paris in twenty twenty four. How is life are you
post computed of sport?
Speaker 3 (12:19):
I feel like it's busier than ever, honestly.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
I mean, like I said earlier, I've got two kids
three and eight years old. In fact, a three year
old in them just a second ago, like what a
mid interview just came over to me, had too much
fruit bar in his mouth and just spat it into
my hand.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
So I managed to hide that from you.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
While I was I did not notice the thing.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Yeah, so I currently am holding a handful of fruit
bar in my hand. So yeah, parents might be able
to relate to that. But it is a very you know,
like life outer diving. I mean, it's been great. I
mean I'm very I feel so fortunate and lucky to
have found a new career that I like, love just
as much as I love diving in the fact of,
you know, being able to make knitting my next career,
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like and game of all being part of that, but
also made with love my knitting brand of you know,
being able to develop you know, patterns and yarn and
like being able to spread my love of knitting for
as many to as many people as possible. That's something
that I feel extremely passionate about. And you know, I
now live in Los Angeles with my husband, my two kids,
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and you know, my husband sacrificed a lot to live
in the UK for me to compete and train with
my syncro diving partners and be part of the team there,
And now his industry is out here, so you know,
he's like, is my turn to be to be in
the mix of it?
Speaker 3 (13:39):
And I'm like, you know what fair and you know,
California isn't exactly a bad place.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
You know, the weather's pretty pretty fantastic compared to the uk.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Ah.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Look so lovely to talk to you, and thank you
so much for your time. And I'm very excited to
see that even though in Game of Well season one
has just started, it's very exciting to see that it
has been renewed for a second season. So well done.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Yes, we just finished filming the second season, actually so
but it's very exciting. I think I believe it's on
Sky's Living Channel at seven thirty pm on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
So thanks for you go.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
I love it, Tom, really nice to meet you. Take
care of go and get rid of that trewed.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Up I know at it.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Thank you, thank you, good day. God love them. And
as Tom sued, you can indeed catch Game of Will
on Sky's Living Channel on Sunday at seven thirty pm.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
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