This week on The Panel, Tim Beveridge is joined by Broadcaster Mark Crysell and NZ Gardiner Editor Jo McCarroll to discuss the biggest stories from this week.
Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce have had their wedding in New York's Madison Square Garden, with celebrities in attendance for the Mega Star's special day. Michael Laws is NZ First's latest candidate and says he's keen to be take the Broadcasting Minister role. And the panelists discuss if our recent Michelin stars were worth the 8 million dollar spend.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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What you.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Yes, I'm welcome to the Weekend Collective. We love to
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I'm Tim Beverage with your through till six o'clock. And oh,
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The school holidays, isn't it.
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Gosh, I've just realized that as us as I was
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Coming up on today's show shortly our panel who i've
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And the twenty twenty seven question is that the year
we finally get a turn around. There's been some work
on that by Tony Alexander and what does that actually
look like anyway? For there is a bit of a
turnaround also at five to four the Parents Squad, Sarah
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to it. I don't think we touched on it when
we went to the other week or two ago about
whether parents should ever interfere in their children's friendships and
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relationships the bad boyfriend or girlfriend or friend group and actually,
how do you tell the difference between a relationship where
you know they've chosen a boyfriend or girlfriend and you
just don't know what they see in them too, it's
beyond that and one that's genuinely unhealthy. So we'll talk
about that among other things at five o'clock for the
Parents Squad, and shortly before six we're joined by one
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of our favors, actually Superman himself, Christopher Reeve. We've got
the All Blacks and France Test coming up. We've got
Liam Lawson in the F one. He's made the top
ten again for the sprint. And we'll probably touch on
a little bit of the World Cup because that's certainly
getting got a head of steam built up with the
final thirty two to sixteen, et cetera. Anyway, so lots
to get on with. Welcome to the Weekend Collective. It
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is nine minutes past.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Three, debating all the issues and more. It's the panel
on the Weekend Collective on News Too said.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Yes in time for our panel and no particular order.
He is I actually my producer says, how to describe
this guy? I said, Look, he's he's the Silver Fox
of broadcasting and journalism. It's Mark Kreisel, Hello, Mark cure,
Tim that's thankfully short. Well what I normally I normally
go on, so nice to have you here. Are you
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keeping well?
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
No, I really will side a body like this without
a lot of work.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Yes, that could that could go both ways. I could
say that did you buy him today?
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I did?
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Well done.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
E Bikore is downhill with the wind behind me, possibly.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Going the hard work and She is editor at New
Zealand Gardener magazine and I must have met. I was
captivated by page one oh seven about the Shalotts. I
don't know why, but anyway it's Joe McCarroll. Hello, Joe,
how are you going? Yes, Shalotts. And the reason is
because it's just an opportunity. I made my first first
beef bogging on from scratch yesterday, seven hours worth.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
I was kind, you know, but that Michelin Star.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
They should have a domestic Michelin Star around, a domestic
Michelin Star.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Love that like a Master Chef Michelin.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Star Home Kitchen sort of award, you know.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Hashtag trademark. We can collective.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Let's make that I for let's do it. Let's do it,
and we just need eight million from the government recipes.
Actually we'll get onto that. At the moment we're jumping
jump in the game. What's Today's New Zealand Gardener magazine
for July twenty twenty six. I can see the focuses.
There's some fruit on the cover.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Fruit of course. Winter a great time to plant deciduous
fruit trees. And I think if you're looking to grab
it of food at home, you know, a fruit tree,
or you're gonna harvest kilos and kilos and killos off
that for years and years and years to come.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
A love of fruit tree, Ye, love one and tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
I say, I.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Love citrus trees. Oh aren't They're just they're pretty and
I love the fruit.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
The blossom has an incredible fragrance. I honestly, I just
think citrus trees are gorgeous.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
You plan them well.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
I wouldn't actually plant citrus trees now but subtropical, but
I would wait until spring. But you can definitely plant
deciduous fruit tree. So that's like apples, your pears, quinces.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
We had the most amazing I lived in once. We
had the most amazing mandarin tree in our backyard. Oh
my god. It was laden every year. Set Sumer Well.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Actually, because our house is an X state house, and
because all the houses in the street were estate houses,
and every house has a fruit tree in the backyard,
and every fruit tree is different. So the idea was
that everyone would have fruit one and you'd be like,
we've got a feature. We could take some FiOS to
our neighbors. They've got an actually yeah, social engineering. Wow,
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I didn't know that bring bring that back.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
It's talk back about. There's a citrus tree on the
way to my daughter's school, and I drove past. I
haven't got close enough, but it looked like it had grapefruit.
And it's on the verge though, so it's on council property.
But I still felt, can I go take a couple
of but because I wouldn't know which daughter knock onto
us permission? And yet it's not my neighborhood. So there's
this whole thing about you know what.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
They brought in that citizens rest thing, yet we could.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Take you I don't know. I checked it out. It's
actually no, it's technically you're supposed to ask the council's permission.
But there's a I think that they it's a practice
that as long as you take something that's reasonable for
your own personal use than knock yourself out with a grapefruit.
I guess would you have a pillage? People come around
because we've got olive trees in our neighborhood and there's
a guy who used to come around with his nets
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and I'd be like, I don't recognize you, and harvest
are the olives from all the trees on the verge?
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yeah, I suppose that's for your game. If they're on
the verse, on the verge of what.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
No, they're on the on the public, on the council. Well,
you know where where the footpath is. There's in the
bit of grass that we're all supposed to know. And
there are a bunch of trees around the neighborhood. Actually
the berm not the verg feel them feel.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
I've got a lovely bottle of olive oil actually, which
comes from a friend of mine. I'm down and tell
on it and she bought it from someone who does
it from the verge. Harvests olives is.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
That big thing after the harvest, don't they what do
they call them? There's a name for them, and they
go through and they just gather all the food. That's
it's a tradition where they gather all the food that's
left over from the harvest, and they make recipes and
food out of.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
All that, they make a borgagnon.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Possibly if they've got seven hours.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Actually I was rewarding, but I did notice my feet
started to get a bit tired after it, because even
though you leave in the oven for a bit, you
constantly and it says, don't open the oven so I
was very disciplined for three hours. Anyway, it was delicious
one point at kilos and meat. So we're having it
again tonight, Right, let's get on. Look the what a day,
the big the big event of the day. I sort
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of mention it because there's there's there's two sides. The
way I feel about it, I sort of couldn't care less,
but I've got lots of opinions on whether i should wir.
I don't care less about the travel the Travis Kelcey
and Taylor Swift wedding.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
At James in the other ordered.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
No, I deliberately switched it around. I deliberately did that
just for fun, because evil I have to remind myself
who his name is. Taylor Swift has got married to
Travis Kelcey and vice versa at Madison Square Garden. Anyway,
I guess the thing is, I've got a quick question
for you all. It's the scale of the wedding inversely
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proportionable to the length of the marriage.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Oh, you know, I wish this couple all the best,
but like, let's say there is a breakup. That breakup
album is going to be incredible.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Shove down our throat incredibly whether the actual music will
be incredible taste.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Sorry, I obviously hit a nerve, but it's been all
about breakups. All the albums are littered with She's Ready
to Go.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
I actually think that really undermines one of the great songwriters.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
I agree, I'm not I beg to disagree with you.
I think it's undermining because it's just where she draws
her inspiration from. I don't. I still think she's a
great songwriter. She's amazing.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
I think she is to music what McDonald's is to food.
I mean, it's very great song very popular songwriter, a
fine role model, a great business woman. Music leaves me
stone cold dead, whereas my daughter I said, I'll play
me some of Olivia Dean or something, and as soon
as I heard it, I went, that's brilliant. I haven't
heard a single Taylor Swift song where I go, gosh,
that really really jerks at my heart strings or really
(09:37):
makes me reflect on or if you're a completely audience
to no, well, I'm a musician, I guess, but one
of them like her as well.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
It's really katy today.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Yeah, I just I think it's reasonable to say that's
not music that moves you, But I would say I
have found her music. Like She's released a lot of music,
but I mean, I just think some of it is
absolutely brilliant.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
It just blends into one. I can't tell the difference.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
I was overwhelmed. I have a thirteen year old she
just loves loves her and every time we get in
the car it has to go on. And I was resistant.
But now I really get it. I think I actually
I've come around. I'm not a swift.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I admire her success and the way she conducts herself
and everything like that.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
I just I'm not into the music superstar in the
in the sense of the word that goes beyond music.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
What do you think of What do you think of
the idea of the wedding?
Speaker 2 (10:32):
I mean, is it?
Speaker 3 (10:33):
I mean, everyone's got it, you know, choose the way
you want to get married. But I don't know. It
just seems that it's does it make you happier the
bigger wedding is? I mean, would you can you be
just as happy as getting married with a couple of
witnesses on a beach somewhere?
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Unfair?
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Because I'm just we're just talking about no, I'm just
talking about the idea of what makes a happy hall.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
They just have a lot of free.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
I don't know, I'm excited it's her married era. There
was a rainbow, it wasn't even sponsored. I just I
want to see the dress.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I don't know if it's text deductor, because it's a
great act of promotion they gave away. You could argue
our weddings are tax deduction because we didn't just get married.
We used as a promotional event. I'd say that whole thing,
the Madison Square Garden, that's a tax deduction, not that
she needs it.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Sure, they gave away twenty five million to charity before
they got married, like a few days before they did
that ravo. Yeah, so, I mean, I don't know if
you can think of about as a tax dodge.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Donations to charity are definitely a.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Tax twenty five million is still pretty generous.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Oh yeah, yeah, I mean I'm more.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
I'm very interested that Adam Sandler was the the celebrates officiate.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
I quite like that.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Actually, yeah, kind of hilarious.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
What did you do for your wedding? Did you go
beg or small?
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Which one?
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Okay, let's go with the most recent.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
I we got married in my wife's father's art gallery
on k Road, and so we had about, I guess
one hundred and twenty people.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
That's quite a lot. Actually, put.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
It's quite a big It was a big space, ok,
a lot. It was room in there.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
So yeah, how about you, Joe, Well, we're not married.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Actually we think it's a little bourgeois.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
What do you think of getting married a Madison Square Garden?
Speaker 4 (12:27):
But it wouldn't it wouldn't be my bag. But at
the same time, I think if Taylor Swift said we're
getting married on a beach with only our parents there,
people would have gone for her and said it's ridiculous
this pose. I just think she can't win.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
I think she would have absolutely won. I'm like, because
you take it that they live, there's so much of
their life inevitably in the spotlight. And yeah, I mean,
you know what I reckon it was either they go
tiny or they go massive. I think. Yeah, but Madison
Square Garden was an interesting choice, I guess.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
But you know, I think she's always been about that,
do you know what I mean. She's never been someone
who's like, I'm you know, I'm shutting everyone out of
She's always been someone who has been open to sharing
things that are happening to her through her work, through
her songs, through.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Her and everything she does. You know, she's American too,
but everything she does is on a big scale. Yeah,
you know that last two of the errors to her
was insane.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
I still just rememb absolutely mess it. I still remember
the time when she was emerging as a big artist.
She won the awards and who's the Kannye got up
and roved the mic off her, And ever since then
she's just you know, I mean, I don't know what
that moment was intended to achieve, but ever since then,
she's just gone stratospheric. And I don't know what you
can say about him. But anyway, the peculiar, the less
(13:47):
the better. Probably the less the better. Anyway, what about
Actually the only other thing was I mean, I don't
know about this. There were there were businesses in the
area who were complaining that they were not you know,
they were going.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
To have haters and recas well.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
I mean, if their business is closed for the day
because of the cordons and stuff, I don't know actually
how much of that's you know, But anyway, you know
what happened.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
There was nobody knew anything about what was really happening
in that hall. They had no idea. So everybody went
around looking for stories, and they found it sweet us,
and they found they would find anybody somebody to winge
about it.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
It would be pretty difficult to keep that secret by
the way they were. They were trying to keep quiet
about it.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Next thing there as well, that's cool.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Yeah, would you have seen at your wedding if you
get anyone.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
You Oh really, I don't know if we could afford it.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
If I couldn't get Taylor.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
It would, yes, I'm I'm just censoring myself on the
different suggestions I was going to suggest for that anyway. Hey,
look anyway, look it's it's inevitably it's got a life
of its own. Stories like this, whether you're until it
or not. That's why I thought we'd start with it.
And look, someone's declaring their love for them each other
(15:01):
and good luck and if it doesn't work out, there's
another three or four good albums in it. Of course. Actually,
I mean mostly it's the heartbreak songs that really is that,
the heartbreak songs. There are great songs about being in love.
Of course, what am I talking about? Anyway, Let's move
on to the next topic conversation. The I don't know how.
I guess it's an American thing. That's why I linked
(15:22):
to this one. So the new ambassador for the United
States from the United States to New Zealand had to
chat with the media for the first time, and he
said he'd love to go back in time to change
New New Zealand's mind and its nuclear free policy. And
we get stage in basketball game in the flight deck.
That would be kind of fun. But just the thing
(15:44):
that I found most interesting, and I've talked about this before.
In fact, I don't even know if you were on
the panel about the nuclear issue. But Christopher Luxen said, look,
you know, this is not something New Zealand is ever interested.
He shut it down bomb It's New Zealanders are passionately attached.
This is paraphrasing him to our nuclear free policy. I
think that basically, obviously he doesn't want to open account.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Head into.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Yeah, but I don't think people are as wedded to
our nuclear free ambitions as we were back when we
first declared it. But where about to you guys with this?
Who wants to start first?
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Well, I think that the discussion on nuclear energy is
worth having by which I mean I think that is
something we could as a country have a discussion about.
So and that's not to say I'm pro the idea
of having ships that are powered by nuclear energy in
our waters. I think, you know, it's not. It's not
(16:41):
something that I think is immediately straightforward as a good
But I mean, you know, at the same time, I
think nuclear energy can be a clean source of energy.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
It can.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
But when the United States ambassador on whom I have thoughts,
when he's talking about nuclear ships, I mean, let's be honest,
he is talking about nuclear warship, and that is to
exercise control in our territorial waters, and I have no
interest in that at.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
All, exercising I mean, can't they visit as allies without
I mean Australian.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Interested in the critical minerals in the islands. I think
they are very, very interested in having more of a
presence here in terms of the global situation, and I
see no benefit of that to the country.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Is interesting too, because you know, there was that recent
poll that showed that we trust the Chinese or New
Zealanders trust the Chinese more than they trust the Americans.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Now that's I think that's Trump's America. I don't think
it's still America is now.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Yeah, I mean, and Trump's the commander in chief, all
those things that go with it.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
I think to the that's an interesting survey question, isn't that?
Because I don't know how i'd answer that, because I
don't really trust America at all, don't I don't trust
the Chinese either.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
No. But I think also, you know, the US ambassad
was actually the context of it was he didn't just
come out and say I wanted I want nuclear ships
to come, and he was asked about if you could
go back in time and things like that, what would
you do and he kind of throws But I think
in the end he also realized that it's not a
(18:25):
changeable thing and it's not something that we really want
America's opinion on. Actually, But I think it's less it's
more about sorry that US having an independent foreign policy.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Sorry Mary into the American ambassador. But no, I actually
felt done on that position where he's like, oh, we
should bring them here, and then you know, you could
learn there's there's nothing to be afraid of. You could
have a basketball game. I'm like, we're not unclear on
what we're talking about we're not sitting here with our
(18:58):
colored beads looking at the amazing wash from overseas. I
I do not think they should let it the media
again in this.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
I think he was he was apparently quite self deprecating
through the whole thing, so I think it was a
relaxed setting and things like that. If he had his
time again, he may not have gone over that so much.
But it's, you know, it's fresh history. Chris Pink said
that in Singapore that we may need to reopen this
debate at some stage, but it's not till those submarines
(19:31):
aren't around. What is it twenty forty or well, actually
something like That's why I came one way away.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
It came up once for talkback maybe on the and
we might have been discussed on the panel and the
context of the submarine deal Australia doing it, and I'm saying
we're not going to invite them here when they get them.
And I've done a bit of talkback on this, and
to be honest on the overnight slot, I would say
probably ten percent of the callers still care about in
the nuclear free issue. Most of them are like, I
(19:57):
don't care about it's out of date, and we need
to look at it as an energy alternative. So this thing,
we have plenty of renewables we don't really need. I'm
not arguing about the merits. I'm just saying the philosophy
of it.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
But also I think to say that we in it
as a nation have the ability to have renewable energy.
We do. We are incredibly lucky in that, but we
can reflect the flat that not all of our allies
and partners are in the same position.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
There are many.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Countries across the world who do not have the ability
to meet the energy needs through in your at which
point nuclear energy may be something that we need to
consider in that context. But I don't believe that is what.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
America's and I don't imagine many New Zealanders who travel
overseas avoid a country because they've got nuclear energy, such
as countries in France, for one, would be an obvious
one who doesn't like a trip to Paris, and I'm
not doing.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
You wouldn't have want to go to Japan after Fukushima.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
No, no, not.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
And you may not even want to go pick some
shellfish off the rocks around there.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Or maybe not off the rocks around there. But I
think there are plenty of people who still go to
Japan and don't sort of haven't don't clutch their knitting too.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
I think we forget history too easily. I mean, at
the time in the eighties, we were all terrified that
we were going to die from a nuclear bomb. It
was a major thing. And who knows Russia's got one.
You know, there are countries that have them. It's possible
that some stage you run might have one. But yeah, anyway, anyway,
we bet we're gonna move on. We'll be back in
just a tick.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
This is the panel, Joe McCarrell and Mark Kreiseler, my guests,
we'll be back on I take twenty eight past three. Yes, sorry,
I just president the wrong time to say hello. Welcome back,
am I. This is the panel. My panelists, Mark Kreisel
and Joe McCarroll. Now, guys, India, India's Prime minister is
(21:45):
visiting the first time and from a visit from an
Indian prime minister in forty years, it's a big deal.
Winston will be first in line to Sayloe, why so
he's looking.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Forward to Winstead, oddly enough, is going to be out
of the country as he yes.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
I wonder if that was something he planned, something I
planned earlier.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
I don't know, something you threw on this morning.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Something anyway, look at that's Look, it's a big deal.
Good that he's coming.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
I heard.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
I can't remember who it was chatting on heither about
you know, the talk about the government's plans on getting
the settings right for immigration, on things, and he was
at Jacobee I think was last name, and he said, look,
this is great, he said, and he made the point.
He said that Indian prem Minister will have been brief
thoroughly about Winston's rhetoric on India right through. So in
(22:30):
terms of I'm taking him seriously, probably not any comment, Mark.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
I mean, he's a huge leader. I mean he's not
without his own controversy back home. He's been very strong,
strongly against other groups that Yeah, you know, he is
the head of the BJP, which is a which is
a you know, like a New Zealand first basically in India.
(22:55):
But he will attract a lot of people who will
go and talk to him. Oddly enough, he sold out
Madison Square Garden when he went to New York once
and he speaks for hours.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Would have been more amusing if you had said he
sold out Madison Square Garden when he got married there,
but not the first Joe.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Yeah, I mean, I think the agreement that's been reached
is good for New Zealand. I always think it's good
for us to be building up our relationships with a
range of different foreign powers. As Mark says, I think
Mody's got a few controversies attached to his name, but
(23:33):
I think it's and I mean, you know, strong diplomacy
is built on relationships and I'd love to see a
lot more interest in that relationship building rather than the
rhetoric and bombastic strong man sort of syndrome that we
seem to see now.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Yeah, actually, just on it.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
It's a huge vote of confidence in New Zealand that
he's coming here. You know, he's only here.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
For gosh, it like at twenty four hours something.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
It's not long at all, but you know, it's a
big thing for New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Speaking of well, we've touched on the name New Zealand
first came up there and former mayor and broadcaster Michael
Laws is going to stand for New Zealand First in
the upcoming election. Look, he's a smart guy, but I
must say, it just adds to it. To me, it's
like New Zealand First, open the fridge door and it's like,
what's for dinner tonight? We've got some leftovers here, and
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it's sort of a left of it, you know. But
he's a smart guy. He's certainly had his share of
controversiest in gaffes. He'll fit in well with Shane Jones
when it comes to hyperble and rhetoric. I don't know
what I'd love to know before he was going to
become a polity, before he was going to become a member,
whether he would have liked the stand for New Zealand First,
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whether he would have been a fan of the Free
Trade Agreement. But we'll never know. Now what do you reckon,
Joe Oh?
Speaker 4 (24:49):
I mean, I think this is just New Zealand First
are going hard for that MAGA sort of rhetoric and voge.
I think Michael Laws is frankly a You say he's
(25:13):
a smart guy technically, but I also think he's a
complete bozo. His views on things are reductionists to the
point of being absurdly simplistic. I think him coming out
and saying he's going to get rid of radio New Zealand.
I mean, I think attacking the idea of independent media.
I would say that is something that you see within
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people that you would call fascist. You know, I consider
on the long run up, you're know in New Zealand, first,
is this the direction you want to go?
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Of course, it's the direction they want to go.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I mean, he will fit with.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
But I don't think you should say he fits in
with this incredibly low standard we're speaking.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Of star.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
This is this is a second time round. I mean,
there's no surprises there. It's just as Tim said, it's
just reheated old stuff.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Really a left it's not food safe.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
That how many stars?
Speaker 3 (26:18):
I mean, look, I've there'll be times that I would
have agreed with things he said. There are times I
think that he obviously we don't. And people make the
stakes during the course of their lives and things like that, but.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Not always publicly.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
It's just an interesting collection they've got for New Zealand first,
isn't it when you're an interesting collection?
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Yeah, well, an inorganic collection of nightmares. Organic, I suppose.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
You're going to trigger ound texts in a moment.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
But look, my big hope of this election moving slightly
beyond the candidates, is that we have another center party
that comes forward. Actually, I wouldn't even say New Zealand
First is a center party. It's a right wing party.
And I think this is one of the big failings
in MMP in New Zealanders. We haven't had a proper
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party that sits in the center, that tries to take
the left and right wing not out of it. Well,
Peter data Future, but here was only one guy in
the end, and then you know there's a I said,
there's an opportunity now that we could have a party
that may fill that role. So we don't vote for
someone who's just going to be a handbreak. We don't
(27:26):
need handbreaks in New Zealand at the moment. We need
to put the foot down and get moving.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
I got to say, as just a whiplash reaction when
you talk about the voting system and the problem with
m MP, it'd be interesting to see if we hadn't
had a referendum on voting again, whether we go m MP,
orf PP or something.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
But I would put that fairly and squarely at the
feet of New Zealand First. There have been a nightmare.
Well's you get plenty of m MP elections all around
Europe and other parts of the world that work perfectly fine.
That people have conversations, they don't have hard bottom lines,
they don't playoff parties as to the extreme that we
(28:05):
seeing year, they don't go fishing in the middle of negotiations.
Like I just think we need to grow up a
bit and get this is a good form of politics
when it works properly, when it's not out hostage.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Do you think he's just quickly do you think he's
an asset to New Zealand? First though, that's the question
whether you're not like him or not? Is note for them?
Okay for me? No, he's a contractor Okay, look just quickly.
I just mentioned this because I saw it got very
little media coverage.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
But the.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Tow party Mari MP, Hannah rafyk Raffty, mighty clerk, sorry
it's a long name. Or Stundy over that she had
a post saying sixty five percent of her work is
through working with visiting imprisoned Mari and it turns out
she's never visited a prison ever and it was a
porky and the social media post has gone and I
(28:59):
don't know, I just sort of think I wonder if
there's a class a politician who's who's more like an
Instagram plitician. They look for the photo ops and the statement,
but it's not backed up. But I just mentioned it
because I was amazed that, given the coverage by one
NEWSS correspondent on Maray issues, that that wasn't a big one.
That somebody has made this claim that two thirds of
her work is visiting people in prison she's never been,
(29:22):
which is from an objective point of view, I think
probably a lie, if not just mildly you mildly or
severely dishonest. Do you guys have any take on that?
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Oh, it's not a good look, is it really? If true,
it's not good. I mean if a major party, they
would be crucified. Party Mary get crucified all the time
anyway by everybody. Definitely always in the media. I mean,
have you not been watching over the past year. I
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think they do.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
It to themselves. I think theelation do stuff to them extraordinary.
You haven't a single prison and you say that two
thirds of your work is visiting in prison.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Rang all I'm going to say, and I'm not claiming
to speak for the party, Marie, and I'm not claiming
to speak for Hanna Raffety Marpi Clark, but she hasn't
spoken to this, so.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
She took down the social media post and.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
The way that was phrased. It's not like she said,
my work is supporting a range of different runggitar. You know,
I was talking about visiting in prison, and then if
that hasn't happened, it's a lie, you know. But then
at the same time, if she spoke to this and said, oh, well,
what I meant was this, maybe it was just she was,
as you say, showboating, as you say, she was kind
of making it sound a certain way, and in fact
(30:40):
she's talking about what she has done.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
And also Karen Shaw's office, who's the relevant minister, says
she hasn't submitted a single written parliamentary question to this
office or asked a single old question to the House
and Minister.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Sure, but in many ways that is not the way
to party Marie has rolled in this term. They I
struggle to see them at times as a serious parliamentary
party because they don't yeah, look to make legislation or
they don't look to take part in that in that
whole you know, the whole democracy. Sorry, well, no, No,
(31:16):
I mean more the process. It's got a government which
isn't which isn't always. There's a time, of course for
the theatrical stuff, but there's also a time when you've
got to do the mahi and I don't know if
they have.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Yeah, let's take a break, shaw we I'm going with
a cup of teena lie down and we'll come back.
And oh, talking about justice, the ex lotter presenter who
got onto a good gig there with five years of
leaf for not having to do his job. We'll be
back in just a moment. It is eighteen minutes to
four news stalks. He'd be yes, welcome back, Mark Kraizel
and Joe mccarell. And my guess now this is an
(31:48):
interesting one, guys, because the story about the ex Lotto
host Russell Harrison, who was paid by the Ministry of
Justice for five years. He'd had a job for them
for about about for about a month and then was
he basically admitted now delivering six bars of gold bullion
(32:11):
to the common chair as money, basically a case of
money laundering. He was suspended on full pay for five years.
It had the job for about a month and they
run the line that innocent until proven guilty. I don't
know if i'd survive in this job very long on
full pay for five years. It just seems like the
public service officials haven't. No one's had the balls to
(32:33):
actually go listen, here's the evidence. You know. I don't
know how that handled it, but this is not a
good look for them.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
But what I mean, if he was innocent, what can
you do? I mean, obviously you've got to go through
that process. You can't just every time somebody's charged was
something No, five years, Well, that's how long the process took.
That's how long the process took. Yeah, what do you think, Joe.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
I feel like it's it's a carelessness with public money
that I don't like to see. I feel like that
should have been challenged. And I do think I take
your point, innocent until proven guilty. But then at the
same time, five years if you can't, if you can't
perform your role for that length of time, I feel
like it is there is the potential to say your
(33:17):
role needs to be terminated.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
And actually, I think the reason.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
He couldn't perform his role was because it was working
with it was working within the justice system, and the
criminal justice system.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Ironic, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Whereas if he was just doing a normal job and
it was quite I say, for instance, if I got
charged with something and I was on the radio and
it was all suppressed, I'd continue to do my job,
but it would be because there wouldn't be a conflict
with the charge and what I'm doing. Necessarily, by the way,
I'm not charged with anything.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
People, I'm aware of old bars you have there are
purely innocent.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
They look great in your teeth. Actually too, I'm aware of. Look,
I know of a of a well known public figure
who was accused of something horrendous and they were taken
off their job. You know, they were on air for
how long have been eighteen months, two years, but they
kept getting paid. They were cleared in the end, so
(34:11):
nothing happened, but you know they were being careful about it.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
So I mean, these things, these things happened. But I
think it's really important that that you are innocent un
till you're proven guilty. Yeah, but there has to be
that has to be the number one thing. It's ironic.
It's the Justice department that had slowed down the process
to making this happen. He having to be his employees.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
I've got here's my crystal ball. You know, guess what,
He'll be back working for the Justice Department after he's
finished his sentence of home detention or whatever, because he'll
have experience of the justice system and they'll put him
back on the payroll. That'd be my prediction, unless you know,
the Taxpayers Union get hold of it.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
What do you think, Joe, Oh, I, I just find
these sorts of stories depressing. You know, they depressed me.
I think it's terrible to see that money which could
have been put to better use. Really being you know,
someone there who seems to be honest.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
You can't blame for taking it if they're offering it.
I mean, you know, okay, I'll keep taking the pay
but anyway, hey, look, just before we go to the break, Now,
what do you guys think that let's jump to the
Michelin Stars. I didn't have any beef. I don't really
have any beef with it, and that's not meant to
be a pun on food. But so there's been fifteen
(35:25):
New Zealand restaurants awarded Mechelin Stars and thirty five the
beb Gourmand sort of designation or whatever. It has received
some criticism by a chef who says, look, you know,
there are a lot of great restaurants that didn't get it.
You know what was the Michelin just sort of go
on to Google and then go to the main centers.
(35:45):
But I couldn't argue for it. I can't argue to
say this is a great idea because it does seem
to be for those restaurants that got it a gift
in promotion and those that didn't not. And it's taxpayers money.
Eight million bucks divided by fifty restaurants, that's undred and
sixty thousand bucks each in terms of promotion.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
So I don't know. I don't know argue four or
against it.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
For me, Mark, Oh, I was hoping it, ask Joe.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Yeah, I I've never I've never eaten at a Michelin
Star restaurant. I like the idea of, like in Mexico,
there's a taco joint that's got it, and there's a
sushi place. I'd like to see the Pontsby Food Hall
get a Michelin Star. I think like if it brings
people to New Zealand, and I'm sure there are people
(36:35):
who do travel around just eating at those restaurants. If
it helps promote this country, then I'm all for it.
I think it's a better spin than Robbie Williams.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Oh yeah, yes, marginally, Joe.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
I guess that's the eight million dollar question. Will it
bring people to New Zealand? I mean, I think New
Zealand has an incredible food scene. I mean, I can't
believe you didn't actually come to me first. Going out
to restaurants is my Roman empire.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Well, I see you champing up the bat. I thought
we'll save it, you know, we'll save the best.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
Of the last. I think it is great to see.
It's the different restaurants that were recognized, recognized, and I
think it's been a very tough year. In fact, it's
a tough few years for hospital I think obviously for
a lot of them, it meant a lot. There are
several restaurants just within the Auckland scene, which is where
I'm most familiar, that I think were egregiously overlooked, and
(37:28):
that must be quite tough. I'm interested to see someone's
kind of been parachuted in to try and assess this
food scene. We did already have a grading system, which
is the Cuisine hat system one hat, two hat, three hats.
I would say that is probably more representative of true
quality over all.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Okay, that's a good reminder for people as well. They
want to see something that's been compare things.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
But then at the same time, I think our food
scene is incredible. I think it would be great if
people viewed New Zealand as a food destination. They could
come and try these incredible cuisines, like for instance, in
that Mischel unless there's not a single as far as
I could see a Chinese restaurant. I mean that just
an incredible omission to me, like it doesn't represent our
food culture actually as I know it.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
I love the fact that Paris Butters was was on
maybe is still on first table, and if you'd gotten
quickly you could have gone there because that was one
of the Meshlin restaurants.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
But they did seem to give a lot out.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Well, there was a talk about are we going to
get any for eight million bucks.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
I was going to say, yeah, I guess it's It
is a metric that's very familiar to people overseas. It's
something that people know.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
And the only stat that I just wanted to query
that was put out by tourists in New Zealand, saying
that eighty odd percent of people come to New Zealand
want to taste New Zealand food, as if that's going
to bring people to New Zealand. But I love to
I'd love to travel all over the world. I'm not
going to go for the food, but I'd like to
eat it while i'm there. So the market of people
who travel for Meschlan Stars is very niche, but you know,
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it's it's it's a positive rather than.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
One of the reasons I went to Sicily was because
of the food and and I realized that they have
what we have, which is proximity to the produce, so
it's everything's really close, don't have to bring it in
and that sort of thing, and that's something we can
celebrate in New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Right, We've got to whip off for a quick break.
We'll be back in a ticket seven and a half
minutes to four. Yes, welcome back to the panel. We'll
only about it one minute of the panel with Joe mccareln,
Mark Kreis or guys. I'm gonna be watching New All
Blacks tonight. I'm quite excited about Dave Brenny's tenure. And
see what the new look all blacks look like. What
do you think?
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Mark? Same? And I love this new stadium in christ Church.
I love that christ Church has this. I love that
everybody's going to it and it's built a vibe big.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
I tell you what, the christ Church Sam the energy
that goes with that stadium. It does feel like any
team that the crowded theater support's got the hometown advantage. Joe,
are you gonna be tuning in?
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Oh? Yeah, I mean and I just think that's because
it's got a roof and everyone's not freeing.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Actually, I've been bagging Eden Park, but there are plans
to turn Eden Park into quite as No, No.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Look at it. Look at the christ Church one. It's
in the middle of the city. You can walk there,
you go past restaurants living around that area. It's a
pain in the arsco in the stadium in Auckland.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Well wait to the CRL and then we're back onto
my favorite topic. When's the opening or from the transport?
Oh well, we'll talk about that another time.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
I played right into your hands.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
You did, Mark, You're going to be and you're off
on your on your what is it your e bike?
Speaker 2 (40:20):
You know, whether I've done a really great story in
the Herald tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Oh good, good, guess what? You can't tell us what
it is because I've got to go. Mark krysl and
Joe McCarroll back next with the One with Freddy Show.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
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Speaker 3 (03:06):
Yes in time for our panel and no particular order.
He is I actually my producer says, how to describe
this guy? I said, Look, he's he's the Silver Fox
of broadcasting and journalism. It's Mark Kreisel, Hello, Mark cure,
Tim that's thankfully short. Well what I normally I normally
go on, so nice to have you here. Are you
(03:30):
keeping well?
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
No, I really will side a body like this without
a lot of work.
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Yes, that could that could go both ways. I could
say that did you buy him today?
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I did?
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Well done.
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E Bikore is downhill with the wind behind me, possibly.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Going the hard work and She is editor at New
Zealand Gardener magazine and I must have met. I was
captivated by page one oh seven about the Shalotts. I
don't know why, but anyway it's Joe McCarroll. Hello, Joe,
how are you going? Yes, Shalotts. And the reason is
because it's just an opportunity. I made my first first
beef bogging on from scratch yesterday, seven hours worth.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
I was kind, you know, but that Michelin Star.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
They should have a domestic Michelin Star around, a domestic
Michelin Star.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Love that like a Master Chef Michelin.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Star Home Kitchen sort of award, you know.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Hashtag trademark. We can collective.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Let's make that I for let's do it. Let's do it,
and we just need eight million from the government recipes.
Actually we'll get onto that. At the moment we're jumping
jump in the game. What's Today's New Zealand Gardener magazine
for July twenty twenty six. I can see the focuses.
There's some fruit on the cover.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Fruit of course. Winter a great time to plant deciduous
fruit trees. And I think if you're looking to grab
it of food at home, you know, a fruit tree,
or you're gonna harvest kilos and kilos and killos off
that for years and years and years to come.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
A love of fruit tree, Ye, love one and tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
I say, I.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Love citrus trees. Oh aren't They're just they're pretty and
I love the fruit.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
The blossom has an incredible fragrance. I honestly, I just
think citrus trees are gorgeous.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
You plan them well.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
I wouldn't actually plant citrus trees now but subtropical, but
I would wait until spring. But you can definitely plant
deciduous fruit tree. So that's like apples, your pears, quinces.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
We had the most amazing I lived in once. We
had the most amazing mandarin tree in our backyard. Oh
my god. It was laden every year. Set Sumer Well.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Actually, because our house is an X state house, and
because all the houses in the street were estate houses,
and every house has a fruit tree in the backyard,
and every fruit tree is different. So the idea was
that everyone would have fruit one and you'd be like,
we've got a feature. We could take some FiOS to
our neighbors. They've got an actually yeah, social engineering. Wow,
(05:44):
I didn't know that bring bring that back.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
It's talk back about. There's a citrus tree on the
way to my daughter's school, and I drove past. I
haven't got close enough, but it looked like it had grapefruit.
And it's on the verge though, so it's on council property.
But I still felt, can I go take a couple
of but because I wouldn't know which daughter knock onto
us permission? And yet it's not my neighborhood. So there's
this whole thing about you know what.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
They brought in that citizens rest thing, yet we could.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Take you I don't know. I checked it out. It's
actually no, it's technically you're supposed to ask the council's permission.
But there's a I think that they it's a practice
that as long as you take something that's reasonable for
your own personal use than knock yourself out with a grapefruit.
I guess would you have a pillage? People come around
because we've got olive trees in our neighborhood and there's
a guy who used to come around with his nets
(06:34):
and I'd be like, I don't recognize you, and harvest
are the olives from all the trees on the verge?
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yeah, I suppose that's for your game. If they're on
the verse, on the verge of what.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
No, they're on the on the public, on the council. Well,
you know where where the footpath is. There's in the
bit of grass that we're all supposed to know. And
there are a bunch of trees around the neighborhood. Actually
the berm not the verg feel them feel.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
I've got a lovely bottle of olive oil actually, which
comes from a friend of mine. I'm down and tell
on it and she bought it from someone who does
it from the verge. Harvests olives is.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
That big thing after the harvest, don't they what do
they call them? There's a name for them, and they
go through and they just gather all the food. That's
it's a tradition where they gather all the food that's
left over from the harvest, and they make recipes and
food out of.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
All that, they make a borgagnon.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Possibly if they've got seven hours.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Actually I was rewarding, but I did notice my feet
started to get a bit tired after it, because even
though you leave in the oven for a bit, you
constantly and it says, don't open the oven so I
was very disciplined for three hours. Anyway, it was delicious
one point at kilos and meat. So we're having it
again tonight, Right, let's get on. Look the what a day,
the big the big event of the day. I sort
(07:51):
of mention it because there's there's there's two sides. The
way I feel about it, I sort of couldn't care less,
but I've got lots of opinions on whether i should wir.
I don't care less about the travel the Travis Kelcey
and Taylor Swift wedding.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
At James in the other ordered.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
No, I deliberately switched it around. I deliberately did that
just for fun, because evil I have to remind myself
who his name is. Taylor Swift has got married to
Travis Kelcey and vice versa at Madison Square Garden. Anyway,
I guess the thing is, I've got a quick question
for you all. It's the scale of the wedding inversely
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proportionable to the length of the marriage.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Oh, you know, I wish this couple all the best,
but like, let's say there is a breakup. That breakup
album is going to be incredible.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Shove down our throat incredibly whether the actual music will
be incredible taste.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Sorry, I obviously hit a nerve, but it's been all
about breakups. All the albums are littered with She's Ready
to Go.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
I actually think that really undermines one of the great songwriters.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
I agree, I'm not I beg to disagree with you.
I think it's undermining because it's just where she draws
her inspiration from. I don't. I still think she's a
great songwriter. She's amazing.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
I think she is to music what McDonald's is to food.
I mean, it's very great song very popular songwriter, a
fine role model, a great business woman. Music leaves me
stone cold dead, whereas my daughter I said, I'll play
me some of Olivia Dean or something, and as soon
as I heard it, I went, that's brilliant. I haven't
heard a single Taylor Swift song where I go, gosh,
that really really jerks at my heart strings or really
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makes me reflect on or if you're a completely audience
to no, well, I'm a musician, I guess, but one
of them like her as well.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
It's really katy today.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Yeah, I just I think it's reasonable to say that's
not music that moves you, But I would say I
have found her music. Like She's released a lot of music,
but I mean, I just think some of it is
absolutely brilliant.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
It just blends into one. I can't tell the difference.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
I was overwhelmed. I have a thirteen year old she
just loves loves her and every time we get in
the car it has to go on. And I was resistant.
But now I really get it. I think I actually
I've come around. I'm not a swift.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I admire her success and the way she conducts herself
and everything like that.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
I just I'm not into the music superstar in the
in the sense of the word that goes beyond music.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
What do you think of What do you think of
the idea of the wedding?
Speaker 2 (10:32):
I mean, is it?
Speaker 3 (10:33):
I mean, everyone's got it, you know, choose the way
you want to get married. But I don't know. It
just seems that it's does it make you happier the
bigger wedding is? I mean, would you can you be
just as happy as getting married with a couple of
witnesses on a beach somewhere?
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Unfair?
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Because I'm just we're just talking about no, I'm just
talking about the idea of what makes a happy hall.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
They just have a lot of free.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
I don't know, I'm excited it's her married era. There
was a rainbow, it wasn't even sponsored. I just I
want to see the dress.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I don't know if it's text deductor, because it's a
great act of promotion they gave away. You could argue
our weddings are tax deduction because we didn't just get married.
We used as a promotional event. I'd say that whole thing,
the Madison Square Garden, that's a tax deduction, not that
she needs it.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Sure, they gave away twenty five million to charity before
they got married, like a few days before they did
that ravo. Yeah, so, I mean, I don't know if
you can think of about as a tax dodge.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Donations to charity are definitely a.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Tax twenty five million is still pretty generous.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Oh yeah, yeah, I mean I'm more.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
I'm very interested that Adam Sandler was the the celebrates officiate.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
I quite like that.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Actually, yeah, kind of hilarious.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
What did you do for your wedding? Did you go
beg or small?
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Which one?
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Okay, let's go with the most recent.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
I we got married in my wife's father's art gallery
on k Road, and so we had about, I guess
one hundred and twenty people.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
That's quite a lot. Actually, put.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
It's quite a big It was a big space, ok,
a lot. It was room in there.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
So yeah, how about you, Joe, Well, we're not married.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Actually we think it's a little bourgeois.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
What do you think of getting married a Madison Square Garden?
Speaker 4 (12:27):
But it wouldn't it wouldn't be my bag. But at
the same time, I think if Taylor Swift said we're
getting married on a beach with only our parents there,
people would have gone for her and said it's ridiculous
this pose. I just think she can't win.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
I think she would have absolutely won. I'm like, because
you take it that they live, there's so much of
their life inevitably in the spotlight. And yeah, I mean,
you know what I reckon it was either they go
tiny or they go massive. I think. Yeah, but Madison
Square Garden was an interesting choice, I guess.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
But you know, I think she's always been about that,
do you know what I mean. She's never been someone
who's like, I'm you know, I'm shutting everyone out of
She's always been someone who has been open to sharing
things that are happening to her through her work, through
her songs, through.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Her and everything she does. You know, she's American too,
but everything she does is on a big scale. Yeah,
you know that last two of the errors to her
was insane.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
I still just rememb absolutely mess it. I still remember
the time when she was emerging as a big artist.
She won the awards and who's the Kannye got up
and roved the mic off her, And ever since then
she's just you know, I mean, I don't know what
that moment was intended to achieve, but ever since then,
she's just gone stratospheric. And I don't know what you
can say about him. But anyway, the peculiar, the less
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the better. Probably the less the better. Anyway, what about
Actually the only other thing was I mean, I don't
know about this. There were there were businesses in the
area who were complaining that they were not you know,
they were going.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
To have haters and recas well.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
I mean, if their business is closed for the day
because of the cordons and stuff, I don't know actually
how much of that's you know, But anyway, you know
what happened.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
There was nobody knew anything about what was really happening
in that hall. They had no idea. So everybody went
around looking for stories, and they found it sweet us,
and they found they would find anybody somebody to winge
about it.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
It would be pretty difficult to keep that secret by
the way they were. They were trying to keep quiet
about it.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Next thing there as well, that's cool.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Yeah, would you have seen at your wedding if you
get anyone.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
You Oh really, I don't know if we could afford it.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
If I couldn't get Taylor.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
It would, yes, I'm I'm just censoring myself on the
different suggestions I was going to suggest for that anyway. Hey,
look anyway, look it's it's inevitably it's got a life
of its own. Stories like this, whether you're until it
or not. That's why I thought we'd start with it.
And look, someone's declaring their love for them each other
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and good luck and if it doesn't work out, there's
another three or four good albums in it. Of course. Actually,
I mean mostly it's the heartbreak songs that really is that,
the heartbreak songs. There are great songs about being in love.
Of course, what am I talking about? Anyway, Let's move
on to the next topic conversation. The I don't know how.
I guess it's an American thing. That's why I linked
(15:22):
to this one. So the new ambassador for the United
States from the United States to New Zealand had to
chat with the media for the first time, and he
said he'd love to go back in time to change
New New Zealand's mind and its nuclear free policy. And
we get stage in basketball game in the flight deck.
That would be kind of fun. But just the thing
(15:44):
that I found most interesting, and I've talked about this before.
In fact, I don't even know if you were on
the panel about the nuclear issue. But Christopher Luxen said, look,
you know, this is not something New Zealand is ever interested.
He shut it down bomb It's New Zealanders are passionately attached.
This is paraphrasing him to our nuclear free policy. I
think that basically, obviously he doesn't want to open account.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Head into.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Yeah, but I don't think people are as wedded to
our nuclear free ambitions as we were back when we
first declared it. But where about to you guys with this?
Who wants to start first?
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Well, I think that the discussion on nuclear energy is
worth having by which I mean I think that is
something we could as a country have a discussion about.
So and that's not to say I'm pro the idea
of having ships that are powered by nuclear energy in
our waters. I think, you know, it's not. It's not
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something that I think is immediately straightforward as a good
But I mean, you know, at the same time, I
think nuclear energy can be a clean source of energy.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
It can.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
But when the United States ambassador on whom I have thoughts,
when he's talking about nuclear ships, I mean, let's be honest,
he is talking about nuclear warship, and that is to
exercise control in our territorial waters, and I have no
interest in that at.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
All, exercising I mean, can't they visit as allies without
I mean Australian.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Interested in the critical minerals in the islands. I think
they are very, very interested in having more of a
presence here in terms of the global situation, and I
see no benefit of that to the country.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Is interesting too, because you know, there was that recent
poll that showed that we trust the Chinese or New
Zealanders trust the Chinese more than they trust the Americans.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Now that's I think that's Trump's America. I don't think
it's still America is now.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Yeah, I mean, and Trump's the commander in chief, all
those things that go with it.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
I think to the that's an interesting survey question, isn't that?
Because I don't know how i'd answer that, because I
don't really trust America at all, don't I don't trust
the Chinese either.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
No. But I think also, you know, the US ambassad
was actually the context of it was he didn't just
come out and say I wanted I want nuclear ships
to come, and he was asked about if you could
go back in time and things like that, what would
you do and he kind of throws But I think
in the end he also realized that it's not a
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changeable thing and it's not something that we really want
America's opinion on. Actually, But I think it's less it's
more about sorry that US having an independent foreign policy.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Sorry Mary into the American ambassador. But no, I actually
felt done on that position where he's like, oh, we
should bring them here, and then you know, you could
learn there's there's nothing to be afraid of. You could
have a basketball game. I'm like, we're not unclear on
what we're talking about we're not sitting here with our
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colored beads looking at the amazing wash from overseas. I
I do not think they should let it the media
again in this.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
I think he was he was apparently quite self deprecating
through the whole thing, so I think it was a
relaxed setting and things like that. If he had his
time again, he may not have gone over that so much.
But it's, you know, it's fresh history. Chris Pink said
that in Singapore that we may need to reopen this
debate at some stage, but it's not till those submarines
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aren't around. What is it twenty forty or well, actually
something like That's why I came one way away.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
It came up once for talkback maybe on the and
we might have been discussed on the panel and the
context of the submarine deal Australia doing it, and I'm saying
we're not going to invite them here when they get them.
And I've done a bit of talkback on this, and
to be honest on the overnight slot, I would say
probably ten percent of the callers still care about in
the nuclear free issue. Most of them are like, I
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don't care about it's out of date, and we need
to look at it as an energy alternative. So this thing,
we have plenty of renewables we don't really need. I'm
not arguing about the merits. I'm just saying the philosophy
of it.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
But also I think to say that we in it
as a nation have the ability to have renewable energy.
We do. We are incredibly lucky in that, but we
can reflect the flat that not all of our allies
and partners are in the same position.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
There are many.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Countries across the world who do not have the ability
to meet the energy needs through in your at which
point nuclear energy may be something that we need to
consider in that context. But I don't believe that is what.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
America's and I don't imagine many New Zealanders who travel
overseas avoid a country because they've got nuclear energy, such
as countries in France, for one, would be an obvious
one who doesn't like a trip to Paris, and I'm
not doing.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
You wouldn't have want to go to Japan after Fukushima.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
No, no, not.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
And you may not even want to go pick some
shellfish off the rocks around there.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Or maybe not off the rocks around there. But I
think there are plenty of people who still go to
Japan and don't sort of haven't don't clutch their knitting too.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
I think we forget history too easily. I mean, at
the time in the eighties, we were all terrified that
we were going to die from a nuclear bomb. It
was a major thing. And who knows Russia's got one.
You know, there are countries that have them. It's possible
that some stage you run might have one. But yeah, anyway, anyway,
we bet we're gonna move on. We'll be back in
just a tick.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
This is the panel, Joe McCarrell and Mark Kreiseler, my guests,
we'll be back on I take twenty eight past three. Yes, sorry,
I just president the wrong time to say hello. Welcome back,
am I. This is the panel. My panelists, Mark Kreisel
and Joe McCarroll. Now, guys, India, India's Prime minister is
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visiting the first time and from a visit from an
Indian prime minister in forty years, it's a big deal.
Winston will be first in line to Sayloe, why so
he's looking.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Forward to Winstead, oddly enough, is going to be out
of the country as he yes.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
I wonder if that was something he planned, something I
planned earlier.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
I don't know, something you threw on this morning.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Something anyway, look at that's Look, it's a big deal.
Good that he's coming.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
I heard.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
I can't remember who it was chatting on heither about
you know, the talk about the government's plans on getting
the settings right for immigration, on things, and he was
at Jacobee I think was last name, and he said, look,
this is great, he said, and he made the point.
He said that Indian prem Minister will have been brief
thoroughly about Winston's rhetoric on India right through. So in
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terms of I'm taking him seriously, probably not any comment, Mark.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
I mean, he's a huge leader. I mean he's not
without his own controversy back home. He's been very strong,
strongly against other groups that Yeah, you know, he is
the head of the BJP, which is a which is
a you know, like a New Zealand first basically in India.
(22:55):
But he will attract a lot of people who will
go and talk to him. Oddly enough, he sold out
Madison Square Garden when he went to New York once
and he speaks for hours.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Would have been more amusing if you had said he
sold out Madison Square Garden when he got married there,
but not the first Joe.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Yeah, I mean, I think the agreement that's been reached
is good for New Zealand. I always think it's good
for us to be building up our relationships with a
range of different foreign powers. As Mark says, I think
Mody's got a few controversies attached to his name, but
(23:33):
I think it's and I mean, you know, strong diplomacy
is built on relationships and I'd love to see a
lot more interest in that relationship building rather than the
rhetoric and bombastic strong man sort of syndrome that we
seem to see now.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Yeah, actually, just on it.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
It's a huge vote of confidence in New Zealand that
he's coming here. You know, he's only here.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
For gosh, it like at twenty four hours something.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
It's not long at all, but you know, it's a
big thing for New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Speaking of well, we've touched on the name New Zealand
first came up there and former mayor and broadcaster Michael
Laws is going to stand for New Zealand First in
the upcoming election. Look, he's a smart guy, but I
must say, it just adds to it. To me, it's
like New Zealand First, open the fridge door and it's like,
what's for dinner tonight? We've got some leftovers here, and
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it's sort of a left of it, you know. But
he's a smart guy. He's certainly had his share of
controversiest in gaffes. He'll fit in well with Shane Jones
when it comes to hyperble and rhetoric. I don't know
what I'd love to know before he was going to
become a polity, before he was going to become a member,
whether he would have liked the stand for New Zealand First,
(24:44):
whether he would have been a fan of the Free
Trade Agreement. But we'll never know. Now what do you reckon,
Joe Oh?
Speaker 4 (24:49):
I mean, I think this is just New Zealand First
are going hard for that MAGA sort of rhetoric and voge.
I think Michael Laws is frankly a You say he's
(25:13):
a smart guy technically, but I also think he's a
complete bozo. His views on things are reductionists to the
point of being absurdly simplistic. I think him coming out
and saying he's going to get rid of radio New Zealand.
I mean, I think attacking the idea of independent media.
I would say that is something that you see within
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people that you would call fascist. You know, I consider
on the long run up, you're know in New Zealand, first,
is this the direction you want to go?
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Of course, it's the direction they want to go.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I mean, he will fit with.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
But I don't think you should say he fits in
with this incredibly low standard we're speaking.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Of star.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
This is this is a second time round. I mean,
there's no surprises there. It's just as Tim said, it's
just reheated old stuff.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Really a left it's not food safe.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
That how many stars?
Speaker 3 (26:18):
I mean, look, I've there'll be times that I would
have agreed with things he said. There are times I
think that he obviously we don't. And people make the
stakes during the course of their lives and things like that, but.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Not always publicly.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
It's just an interesting collection they've got for New Zealand first,
isn't it when you're an interesting collection?
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Yeah, well, an inorganic collection of nightmares. Organic, I suppose.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
You're going to trigger ound texts in a moment.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
But look, my big hope of this election moving slightly
beyond the candidates, is that we have another center party
that comes forward. Actually, I wouldn't even say New Zealand
First is a center party. It's a right wing party.
And I think this is one of the big failings
in MMP in New Zealanders. We haven't had a proper
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party that sits in the center, that tries to take
the left and right wing not out of it. Well,
Peter data Future, but here was only one guy in
the end, and then you know there's a I said,
there's an opportunity now that we could have a party
that may fill that role. So we don't vote for
someone who's just going to be a handbreak. We don't
(27:26):
need handbreaks in New Zealand at the moment. We need
to put the foot down and get moving.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
I got to say, as just a whiplash reaction when
you talk about the voting system and the problem with
m MP, it'd be interesting to see if we hadn't
had a referendum on voting again, whether we go m MP,
orf PP or something.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
But I would put that fairly and squarely at the
feet of New Zealand First. There have been a nightmare.
Well's you get plenty of m MP elections all around
Europe and other parts of the world that work perfectly fine.
That people have conversations, they don't have hard bottom lines,
they don't playoff parties as to the extreme that we
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seeing year, they don't go fishing in the middle of negotiations.
Like I just think we need to grow up a
bit and get this is a good form of politics
when it works properly, when it's not out hostage.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Do you think he's just quickly do you think he's
an asset to New Zealand? First though, that's the question
whether you're not like him or not? Is note for them?
Okay for me? No, he's a contractor Okay, look just quickly.
I just mentioned this because I saw it got very
little media coverage.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
But the.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Tow party Mari MP, Hannah rafyk Raffty, mighty clerk, sorry
it's a long name. Or Stundy over that she had
a post saying sixty five percent of her work is
through working with visiting imprisoned Mari and it turns out
she's never visited a prison ever and it was a
porky and the social media post has gone and I
(28:59):
don't know, I just sort of think I wonder if
there's a class a politician who's who's more like an
Instagram plitician. They look for the photo ops and the statement,
but it's not backed up. But I just mentioned it
because I was amazed that, given the coverage by one
NEWSS correspondent on Maray issues, that that wasn't a big one.
That somebody has made this claim that two thirds of
her work is visiting people in prison she's never been,
(29:22):
which is from an objective point of view, I think
probably a lie, if not just mildly you mildly or
severely dishonest. Do you guys have any take on that?
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Oh, it's not a good look, is it really? If true,
it's not good. I mean if a major party, they
would be crucified. Party Mary get crucified all the time
anyway by everybody. Definitely always in the media. I mean,
have you not been watching over the past year. I
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think they do.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
It to themselves. I think theelation do stuff to them extraordinary.
You haven't a single prison and you say that two
thirds of your work is visiting in prison.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Rang all I'm going to say, and I'm not claiming
to speak for the party, Marie, and I'm not claiming
to speak for Hanna Raffety Marpi Clark, but she hasn't
spoken to this, so.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
She took down the social media post and.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
The way that was phrased. It's not like she said,
my work is supporting a range of different runggitar. You know,
I was talking about visiting in prison, and then if
that hasn't happened, it's a lie, you know. But then
at the same time, if she spoke to this and said, oh, well,
what I meant was this, maybe it was just she was,
as you say, showboating, as you say, she was kind
of making it sound a certain way, and in fact
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she's talking about what she has done.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
And also Karen Shaw's office, who's the relevant minister, says
she hasn't submitted a single written parliamentary question to this
office or asked a single old question to the House
and Minister.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Sure, but in many ways that is not the way
to party Marie has rolled in this term. They I
struggle to see them at times as a serious parliamentary
party because they don't yeah, look to make legislation or
they don't look to take part in that in that
whole you know, the whole democracy. Sorry, well, no, No,
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I mean more the process. It's got a government which
isn't which isn't always. There's a time, of course for
the theatrical stuff, but there's also a time when you've
got to do the mahi and I don't know if
they have.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Yeah, let's take a break, shaw we I'm going with
a cup of teena lie down and we'll come back.
And oh, talking about justice, the ex lotter presenter who
got onto a good gig there with five years of
leaf for not having to do his job. We'll be
back in just a moment. It is eighteen minutes to
four news stalks. He'd be yes, welcome back, Mark Kraizel
and Joe mccarell. And my guess now this is an
(31:48):
interesting one, guys, because the story about the ex Lotto
host Russell Harrison, who was paid by the Ministry of
Justice for five years. He'd had a job for them
for about about for about a month and then was
he basically admitted now delivering six bars of gold bullion
(32:11):
to the common chair as money, basically a case of
money laundering. He was suspended on full pay for five years.
It had the job for about a month and they
run the line that innocent until proven guilty. I don't
know if i'd survive in this job very long on
full pay for five years. It just seems like the
public service officials haven't. No one's had the balls to
(32:33):
actually go listen, here's the evidence. You know. I don't
know how that handled it, but this is not a
good look for them.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
But what I mean, if he was innocent, what can
you do? I mean, obviously you've got to go through
that process. You can't just every time somebody's charged was
something No, five years, Well, that's how long the process took.
That's how long the process took. Yeah, what do you think, Joe.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
I feel like it's it's a carelessness with public money
that I don't like to see. I feel like that
should have been challenged. And I do think I take
your point, innocent until proven guilty. But then at the
same time, five years if you can't, if you can't
perform your role for that length of time, I feel
like it is there is the potential to say your
(33:17):
role needs to be terminated.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
And actually, I think the reason.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
He couldn't perform his role was because it was working
with it was working within the justice system, and the
criminal justice system.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Ironic, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Whereas if he was just doing a normal job and
it was quite I say, for instance, if I got
charged with something and I was on the radio and
it was all suppressed, I'd continue to do my job,
but it would be because there wouldn't be a conflict
with the charge and what I'm doing. Necessarily, by the way,
I'm not charged with anything.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
People, I'm aware of old bars you have there are
purely innocent.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
They look great in your teeth. Actually too, I'm aware of. Look,
I know of a of a well known public figure
who was accused of something horrendous and they were taken
off their job. You know, they were on air for
how long have been eighteen months, two years, but they
kept getting paid. They were cleared in the end, so
(34:11):
nothing happened, but you know they were being careful about it.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
So I mean, these things, these things happened. But I
think it's really important that that you are innocent un
till you're proven guilty. Yeah, but there has to be
that has to be the number one thing. It's ironic.
It's the Justice department that had slowed down the process
to making this happen. He having to be his employees.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
I've got here's my crystal ball. You know, guess what,
He'll be back working for the Justice Department after he's
finished his sentence of home detention or whatever, because he'll
have experience of the justice system and they'll put him
back on the payroll. That'd be my prediction, unless you know,
the Taxpayers Union get hold of it.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
What do you think, Joe, Oh, I, I just find
these sorts of stories depressing. You know, they depressed me.
I think it's terrible to see that money which could
have been put to better use. Really being you know,
someone there who seems to be honest.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
You can't blame for taking it if they're offering it.
I mean, you know, okay, I'll keep taking the pay
but anyway, hey, look, just before we go to the break, Now,
what do you guys think that let's jump to the
Michelin Stars. I didn't have any beef. I don't really
have any beef with it, and that's not meant to
be a pun on food. But so there's been fifteen
(35:25):
New Zealand restaurants awarded Mechelin Stars and thirty five the
beb Gourmand sort of designation or whatever. It has received
some criticism by a chef who says, look, you know,
there are a lot of great restaurants that didn't get it.
You know what was the Michelin just sort of go
on to Google and then go to the main centers.
(35:45):
But I couldn't argue for it. I can't argue to
say this is a great idea because it does seem
to be for those restaurants that got it a gift
in promotion and those that didn't not. And it's taxpayers money.
Eight million bucks divided by fifty restaurants, that's undred and
sixty thousand bucks each in terms of promotion.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
So I don't know. I don't know argue four or
against it.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
For me, Mark, Oh, I was hoping it, ask Joe.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Yeah, I I've never I've never eaten at a Michelin
Star restaurant. I like the idea of, like in Mexico,
there's a taco joint that's got it, and there's a
sushi place. I'd like to see the Pontsby Food Hall
get a Michelin Star. I think like if it brings
people to New Zealand, and I'm sure there are people
(36:35):
who do travel around just eating at those restaurants. If
it helps promote this country, then I'm all for it.
I think it's a better spin than Robbie Williams.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Oh yeah, yes, marginally, Joe.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
I guess that's the eight million dollar question. Will it
bring people to New Zealand? I mean, I think New
Zealand has an incredible food scene. I mean, I can't
believe you didn't actually come to me first. Going out
to restaurants is my Roman empire.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Well, I see you champing up the bat. I thought
we'll save it, you know, we'll save the best.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
Of the last. I think it is great to see.
It's the different restaurants that were recognized, recognized, and I
think it's been a very tough year. In fact, it's
a tough few years for hospital I think obviously for
a lot of them, it meant a lot. There are
several restaurants just within the Auckland scene, which is where
I'm most familiar, that I think were egregiously overlooked, and
(37:28):
that must be quite tough. I'm interested to see someone's
kind of been parachuted in to try and assess this
food scene. We did already have a grading system, which
is the Cuisine hat system one hat, two hat, three hats.
I would say that is probably more representative of true
quality over all.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Okay, that's a good reminder for people as well. They
want to see something that's been compare things.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
But then at the same time, I think our food
scene is incredible. I think it would be great if
people viewed New Zealand as a food destination. They could
come and try these incredible cuisines, like for instance, in
that Mischel unless there's not a single as far as
I could see a Chinese restaurant. I mean that just
an incredible omission to me, like it doesn't represent our
food culture actually as I know it.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
I love the fact that Paris Butters was was on
maybe is still on first table, and if you'd gotten
quickly you could have gone there because that was one
of the Meshlin restaurants.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
But they did seem to give a lot out.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Well, there was a talk about are we going to
get any for eight million bucks.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
I was going to say, yeah, I guess it's It
is a metric that's very familiar to people overseas. It's
something that people know.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
And the only stat that I just wanted to query
that was put out by tourists in New Zealand, saying
that eighty odd percent of people come to New Zealand
want to taste New Zealand food, as if that's going
to bring people to New Zealand. But I love to
I'd love to travel all over the world. I'm not
going to go for the food, but I'd like to
eat it while i'm there. So the market of people
who travel for Meschlan Stars is very niche, but you know,
(38:57):
it's it's it's a positive rather than.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
One of the reasons I went to Sicily was because
of the food and and I realized that they have
what we have, which is proximity to the produce, so
it's everything's really close, don't have to bring it in
and that sort of thing, and that's something we can
celebrate in New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Right, We've got to whip off for a quick break.
We'll be back in a ticket seven and a half
minutes to four. Yes, welcome back to the panel. We'll
only about it one minute of the panel with Joe mccareln,
Mark Kreis or guys. I'm gonna be watching New All
Blacks tonight. I'm quite excited about Dave Brenny's tenure. And
see what the new look all blacks look like. What
do you think?
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Mark? Same? And I love this new stadium in christ Church.
I love that christ Church has this. I love that
everybody's going to it and it's built a vibe big.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
I tell you what, the christ Church Sam the energy
that goes with that stadium. It does feel like any
team that the crowded theater support's got the hometown advantage. Joe,
are you gonna be tuning in?
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Oh? Yeah, I mean and I just think that's because
it's got a roof and everyone's not freeing.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Actually, I've been bagging Eden Park, but there are plans
to turn Eden Park into quite as No, No.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Look at it. Look at the christ Church one. It's
in the middle of the city. You can walk there,
you go past restaurants living around that area. It's a
pain in the arsco in the stadium in Auckland.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Well wait to the CRL and then we're back onto
my favorite topic. When's the opening or from the transport?
Oh well, we'll talk about that another time.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
I played right into your hands.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
You did, Mark, You're going to be and you're off
on your on your what is it your e bike?
Speaker 2 (40:20):
You know, whether I've done a really great story in
the Herald tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Oh good, good, guess what? You can't tell us what
it is because I've got to go. Mark krysl and
Joe McCarroll back next with the One with Freddy Show.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
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