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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We Need to Talk Conversations on Wellness with Coast FM's
Tony Street.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hello, it's great to have you with us for that
We Need to Talk podcast. Weight loss has hit the
headlines once again with the news that weight loss drug
Wegav has been approved by Medsafe for use in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Now.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Wigavy is a semaglue tide prescription injection similar to ozepic,
which has already been approved for the purpose of treating
type two diabetes here in New Zealand, and we constantly
hear about this one being used overseas by the Hollywood celebrities.
Sax Sender is the other weight loss drug available in
New Zealand at the moment too. Now one in three
adult New Zealanders over the age of fifteen are classified

(00:40):
as obese. So is this the answer to our growing
problem and what are the other solutions? This week a
group of weight loss experts have gathered to discuss the
use of these GLP one agonists, including doctor Richard Goldfarb,
who is a US doctor and award winning surgeon. And
we also have key we Sarah Kennedy, who's the CEO
of Callo Curb Now Callo Curbs a New Zealand government

(01:03):
owned piece of technology. And this is basically the natural
version of wegav and of ozempic, which I don't think
is very well known. Now, just to point here, none
of this is sponsored. This is completely out of our
interest and we thought this is a topic that you'd
really want to hear about. So Sarah, let's start with you.
What does it mean to have these injection drugs like

(01:25):
wegav now available in New Zealand because I feel like
New Zealand's been a little bit behind the eight ball
and getting these.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
Oh look, it's fantastic. We have had six gender and
that is a first generation injectible. It's not as effective,
it's a daily injectable, and it's not as effective or
less weight loss than we goov, which is a semi
glue tide. So it's another tool in the toolkit for

(01:52):
doctors here in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yeah, which is great news because we know we have
an obesity epidemic. Now, you are the CEO of Calocurb.
How does this natural product which was created in New
Zealand fit into all of this?

Speaker 4 (02:05):
Yeah, look, and it's a fantastic question. Let me go
back a little bit in twenty ten, a group of
very talented scientists employed by the government and Plant and
Food Research had a hypothesis that they would find a
natural plant based extract that suppressed appetite. Now why did
they think that. They think that because they looked historically.

(02:26):
In the fact, in the Highlands of Scotland people chewed
very very bitter berries in times of famine. In the
Kalahari desert tribesmen chew very very bitter cactus before they
go out and hunt. So that was part of it
in some very early work that had been done in animals.
So they had a hypothesis that they would find this.

(02:47):
They got a twenty million dollar grant from the government
and they went about to discover this. So this is
really the genesis of calicirb and a marisate, which is
the natural extract that we grow here in New Zealand.
So kellocurb stimulates your own natural release of GLP one

(03:09):
versus injecting yourself with a GLP one.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Okay, So Richard, I'll bring you in here as a
doctor that is prescribing these types of weight loss tools.
How does kellocurb work in with the likes of Weigo
V and how would you prescribe.

Speaker 5 (03:24):
That, So I think in three different categories. I would
describe it for patients that want to lose a certain
amount of weight but don't want to go on an injectible,
they're a little bit needle phobic. They would then take
the oral GLP one, which doesn't replace as a synthetic.

(03:45):
It's your own and it stimulates your own GLP one. Therefore,
it's acting to enhance it and make it better, and
you could lose weight very naturally. The other aspect is
the injectible doesn't always completely.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Give you that week.

Speaker 5 (04:01):
Because you get the injection once a week doesn't give
you that long term effect of it being and working
that entire week. What do you do now It's maybe
Thursday and you get your injections every Sunday. What are
you going to do? You're still hungry. Therefore, we think
caliicurb serves that tremendous purpose in two ways. One is
it's going to stop that hunger pang that you have

(04:24):
on Thursday, Friday and waiting till Sunday. And it's also
not going to allow you to deplete your own GLP one.
So we think that's a great source for it. And
the third reason, which is even more important, is there's
a time when you reach your ideal body weight, you
got to go off your injectables. Now what are you
going to do. So we use caliicurb to maintain that

(04:47):
weight loss in those patients and it's been incredibly successful
in the United States.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
How successful, Sirah, give us some statistics calicub compared to
your wigavies and Eurosi pigs.

Speaker 4 (04:59):
So we know that we're go v which is a
semi glue tyde will reduce people's calories by an average
of twenty four percent a day. We know from our clinicals,
and remember we have published human clinicals, we reduce on
average a calorie intake by eighteen percent.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
Wow, it's pretty high.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
Yeah it is.

Speaker 4 (05:18):
And you know we take it an hour to an
hour and a half before lunch and before dinner. That
is to reduce. What we do is we just make
you feel full faster. We are just superstimulating the release
of your own GLP one, so your own natural GLP one,
so you just don't eat as much. So I give
you the example. We all produce GLP one and that

(05:40):
tells us to stop eating after a while you've had
a big dinner and you know, forty five minutes later
you go, oh, I wish I hadn't eaten that much.
It's your gut brain telling you to stop eating. What
we're doing is just telling you a bit earlier, and
we're superstimulating it to a higher level. So you just
eat less so you can eat. You just eat less.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
Okay. So I'm a little bit confused, yes, because we
know that in the New Zealand at the moment, if
you want to get zaxender or potentially soon we're givy
when that is on available, you have to go and
see a doctor. You've got to have a certain BMI
to be able to be to get it. And yet
you're saying with the calicurb you can literally go on
the website and just get it. How is that so?

Speaker 4 (06:22):
Or we're a natural product? I mean fascinating a marisate.
The active ingredient is growing from a specific variety of
hops in Mochueca. Now there's a whole story to how
we didn't target hops. We looked at why not we
the scientists looked at a thousand different extracts, but this
hops is the absolute Eureka we grow it here, we

(06:43):
extract it here, and then it's sent to America to
be made in a delayed release capsule, so it opens
where it's supposed to open. But it is a natural product.
It's literally an extract of hops, a vegetaboil, oil, and
a tiny amount of rosimary acts as a natural preservative.
So we are a natural product, so you don't need

(07:06):
a prescription. And of course the other thing, if you
think about it, we've been drinking hops because hops are
the flavor and beer for the last I think two
thousand years, so you know, it is a safe it
is a safe additive.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
It's just that.

Speaker 4 (07:22):
We've found a way instead of flavoring you beer, we've
found a way that it works with the body to
help stimulate.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
That Richard, how has this been received in the States,
Because this is a pretty big deal for New Zealand, right.

Speaker 5 (07:36):
Yes, it is, and the United States has really received
this tremendously. We have a lot of our colleagues that
have started a lot of weight loss programs in order
to treat the obesity crisis, which is absolutely a worldwide crisis,
and obviously in the United States it's always bigger and
better and these crazy things, so we really did not

(07:58):
have a solution until the GLP ones were out there.
I mean, we have other stimulants you know, that cause
other side effects, but the GLP ones for the most
part have been safe. However, there are some gi manifestations
go forbidgigut, pancreatitis, or other issues with it, where we've

(08:21):
seen much less of those side effects with the Cali curb,
which is tremendous and we feel that they're very, very
useful to treat the obesity crisis. Just look at the numbers,
how tremendous it is even in the United States and worldwide,
but they're all missing that part, and we feel Cali
curb really really completes the whole gamut as far as

(08:44):
really reducing your weight, eating healthier, hopefully living longer, and
all these wonderful manifestations that should happen from it.

Speaker 6 (08:53):
This is we need to talk with Tony Street.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
Sarah tell us about your personal situation because I read
that you have had in the past a dysfunctional and
unhealthy relationship with food since you were ten years old.
Can you just talk us through that and how you
managed to I mean, I'm looking at a very trim
woman today.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
Yeah, I think any founder to found anything, I think
you have to be truly mad. But so when I
was approached in twenty and seventeen with his science, I
think it hit a real personal note for me. I've
had a love hate relationship with food my whole life.

Speaker 7 (09:29):
You know.

Speaker 4 (09:29):
I first went on a diet when I was ten
years old. And I think many people, many of women,
maybe men as well, would you know, loving food but
then hating yourself yo yo diet and doing all of
those things. And when I say, you love the food,
but you hate yourself for eating it, you hate yourself
for losing control, you do all of that, and I
can honestly say, I mean, I take kaloricub every day.

(09:52):
It's just my maintenance program. But I now I am
at peace with food, and that takes that noise out
of your head. I'm happy with myself and I'm happy
with food. I can eat food, I just don't eat
as much so it don't binge yo yo oh. I'm
going to try this start. I'm going to try the start.
Oh my god, I love it.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
It surprises me that more people in this country don't
know about this, and particularly given it's a New Zealand
piece of technology. Why do you think that is? Why
are we not singing this from the rooftops?

Speaker 4 (10:23):
Well, I think there's a number of reasons, and let
me go back. I think it's fantastic that Grigovi has
been approved in New Zealand because now we're starting to
talk about it, and we're starting to talk about the
physiology of weight management, and people always say, and there
still is this doctrine out there about willpower and eating willpower.

(10:44):
I will tell you we are our hunger is driven
by hormones.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
So I think I.

Speaker 4 (10:50):
Said to you before, if you reduce your calories by
twenty five percent a day, your hunger will double over
four months because your body thinks you're going into a famine.
So you'll like think, I've got willpower, I've got willpower.
You put stress, lack of sleep, all of those things
and your willpower or go. So why have we not

(11:12):
here in New Zealand? So we Goovy was approved in
the US in twenty twenty one. Nova noticed, the company
that owns with Govy, spent a billion dollars on marketing
in the US. They took out to dinner two hundred
and thirty nine thousand doctors to talk to them about

(11:33):
the physiology of weight management or weight loss. So they
paved the way for us in the US so we
could talk about we're a natural GLP one activator, that's
a synthetic GLP one. We can be used in combination
or alternative. That discussion has really just started in New Zealand,

(11:55):
and really up until that point, really what were you
going to discuss the New Zealand. So this to us
is fantastic. It is opening the discussion up about and
I want everyone listening to think, do not think it's
your fault. Do not think it's will Parer, because that
is part of that love hate relationship, and it is not.

(12:16):
It is your body, which was an asset to us
through evolution. It is your body saying you could be
going into a famine eat now.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
And such a vicious cycle as well. And exactly what
you're saying. The statistics, it's something ridiculous like ninety five
percent of people will put back the weight they lose
within two years.

Speaker 4 (12:34):
Right, even more than that. I read one yesterday and
it is it is and that is because your body
is fighting you all the time. It thinks it's going
into a famine, so you need to have a in
the injectibles. That is the problem. You come off the injectibles,
natural GLP one is down low. It has to come

(12:54):
back up again. That's a real problem. And the trouble
is it puts you off food the injections. That's not
a problem. But the thing is you have to get
into a healthy rhythm of eating and to try and
take that noise out of your head.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
And that's why it's good to have professional sort of
guiding you through it. Richard, you are someone that has
also recommended and carried out batriotic surgeries and I feel
like that was before these injectibles. So where does that
now fit into the mix? Is it still a viable
option for people to go down the surgery wroutes.

Speaker 5 (13:29):
We think some of the grossly morbid obese patients that
are still an ideal situation, but certainly not nearly the
amount of cases that we would do without the GLP ones.
And we find that it's obviously safer than having surgery
a lot of complications with it. We try to do
it now it's called laparoscopically, where we don't visualize everything

(13:52):
and those big blood vessels up there. You can really
get a lot of complications. Although our technology is improved,
complication rate has not really reduced that much. And unless
we really want to take that risk, you know, there's
anesthesia risk. We feel that the alternative of the semiglue
tides along with calicurb have really breaking loose the treatment

(14:17):
for obesity in a much better, safer way.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
Let's talk about the side effects, because that is the
thing that might stop people from going there. And I
think there have been some high profile people like I
remember Amy Schumer came out and said, look, I tried
oz impaic and it made me so foggy I couldn't
play with my kids. I see she's now reversed that
and she's going she's on wigavy again and said, actually
this one suits me better. Can everyone tolerate these or

(14:41):
are there going to be some people that just can't
deal with them?

Speaker 5 (14:45):
There are a small percentage, and it's really a small
percentage of patients that cannot tolerate it at all. There
are some GI side effects, guesstro intestinal side effects such
as the worst pancreatitisffer BIDGI get that, there's some gallbladder
issues and some gi nausea issues that are just overwhelming,
but for the most part, most of the patients will

(15:07):
tolerate it. What I find interesting is that the patients
that take the injectable do have a significantly more side
effect ratio than we've seen in our calicur patients. And
I think that's important to say, And I think what
else is really important to emphasize. You're putting something synthetic
in there, so it drives your own inherent GLP one

(15:30):
levels to a low, low level, and we don't want
to have that. So the fact that cali cur will
stimulate your own inherent GLP one is really an important
fast factor in treating the overall condition.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Sarah, how much do we know about the long terms
effects of this or side effects? Because that's pretty new,
right are you talking?

Speaker 4 (15:51):
Kellikub or JLP one who both okay, help one's will know. Look,
you know they've been around since what two thousand and five,
so twenty years because they were originally used for Tape
two diabetes. And interesting with that, they actually noticed people
were losing weight and they're like, oh, something else is happening.
And there was a whole lot more mechanisms that went
into it, so you know, and they would say, you know,

(16:15):
like any chronic disease and obesity is it is a
long term, you know, long term use. So we think
they're fairly safe. I'm yet to meet a doctor, but
you know, I may meet one who really wants to
keep their patients on for life, you know, maybe in
chronic obesity, maybe in morbid obesity, but calicurb. I'd go
back to the point and say, we've been drinking beer

(16:38):
for two thousand years, we've had hops in our beer,
I think for nine hundred years, so very safe. We're
just completing another human clinical trial now where you know,
I'll be able to tell you more in probably four
or five months. But we think, our scientists believe that
we upregulate these cells in our intestine, so we're actually

(17:01):
making your gut brain access better. So if you come
off caloricub we've actually made this gut brain access work better.
And if you kind of think about it, we're exercising
these little LM cells in your intestine, so whenever you
exercise something, you know they produce better. So that's a hypothesis.

(17:21):
So I have no worry, and you know, I go
on and off calor cub sometimes, you know, not for
any reason other than it might be the weekend and
I forget and it's perfect like that.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
And that works. Fine.

Speaker 6 (17:35):
You're listening. Do we need a talk with Tony Street?

Speaker 2 (17:39):
One of the debates that I've had with a couple
of friends of mine who are dieticians. You know, they
see the absolute need for it in some cases, but
their concern is that people that are eating less aren't
going to be getting a balanced diet and not have
enough of your proteins and your balance of good fats
because you don't have that same desire to eat. What
would you say to that?

Speaker 4 (17:59):
Oh, look, I think they have a good point, which
is why we market and sell through practitioners, and practitioners
go from doctors to nutritionists to all of this dietitians.
And yes, because it is a tool and a toolkit,
you know, as if you go from ten donuts to
eight donuts, you're not going to make any difference, right.

(18:21):
You want to you want to have a balanced start
and particularly up your protein. And if it's anything, we
don't on average we don't get enough protein a day,
and it's really hard to get that amount of protein,
particularly for women, women under forty, woman over forty, you know,
we need to be eating like one hundred to one
hundred and twenty grams of protein per day. And you're like,

(18:42):
I have two eggs. Do you know how much protein
that is? Twelve grams? So it is hard. You need
to be eating and then people, so it's expensive. I
don't want to cook it, all of those things all
And that's why I do say, you know, protein drinks
are quite convenient. However I'm marketing someone else now, No, No,
I would say it's a tool in the tool. The

(19:03):
other thing to remember is, particularly for women over forty,
exercise is unlikely to make you lose a lot of weight,
but strength training is absolute. You want to you will
your muscle mass decreases as you get older. So don't
think you have to run a marathon. Just do a
bit of strength training and you don't have to bulk

(19:24):
up spend two hours at the gym, but do do something.
Do those get those muscles working, do some weights in
your arms. And in fact, I'm going to hand it
over to Richard because in their clinic you actually that's
part of your whole weight loss program.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
That's really interesting. You say that because we have had
several experts on that we need to Talk podcast, including
a physiologist Stacy Simms. Oh, she's brilliant, and Stacy absolutely
sinks the praises of gym workouts and that lean muscle mass.

Speaker 5 (19:54):
Richard, Yes, that's true. We have a very interesting weight
loss program we called a touch weight loss program. So
if you borrow some of the data from the most
successful weight loss program ever in the world was Weight Watchers,
because you had to be accountable weekly, so people go, oh,
I got to be accountble. I don't want to go
in and show my gain weight. So that makes the

(20:17):
psychologic aspect work. The other thing is most of these
people that are grossly obese, even when they do lose
they're not motivated enough to go back to the gym
as Sarah indicated and do some strengthening exercises. So we
have some devices that are in all over the world

(20:37):
that will help build some muscle because you do lose
some muscle mass when you lose weight. So we actually
when they reach their ideal body weight, treat them with
that particular device to help them. We we work with
a gymnasium that's near our practice and what we do
is we have and they're always trying to get new
clients because it's such a competitive market. We actually have

(21:00):
our person that's really in charge of our weight loss
program go over to the gym with them and actually
show them and demonstrate. They get their three free treatments
to the gym, and then the gym wants to grab
them and make them members. But if they've had three
successful treatments with our provider, then they feel like, wow,
I can really do this, and that's good for the gym,

(21:22):
it's good for us.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Okay, going because now that's.

Speaker 5 (21:25):
How we get such great, great results.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
What's this device you speak of.

Speaker 5 (21:29):
It's called m sculpt NEO is the first one that
came out, and it basically is high intensity focused electromagnetic energy.
What it really means is it stimulates to contract your muscles.
For example, is you're on the device and they put
these paddles on you and it's equivalent to do in
twenty thousand sit ups in thirty minutes, which is impossible

(21:51):
for you to do. And the other part of it
is it bypasses the aspect of lactic acid release. Therefore
you don't feel that burn when you work out. At
the gym, so by passing that it actually will build
the muscles, and then the actinomyacin in the muscle will release,
and therefore the muscle will hypertrophy and you will look

(22:13):
better and feel better. And it's a tremendous another tool
in the armentarium of weight development and body shaping.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Isn't it amazing you think you come into a podcast
knowing all there is to know about weight loss and
these all these things I had no idea about just
finding a comment from you, Richard on where weight loss
globally is at the moment in terms of breakthroughs, because
I feel like this is just the most incredible place
that the world has been in and fixing this obesity pandemic.

Speaker 5 (22:43):
So as we know, obesity is really the common denominator
with heart disease, diabetes, and cancer, so we feel like
we have to make an impact worldwide. And we think
that the manifestations of the these combination drugs have been
helpful as another tool to really decrease in the obesity situation,

(23:07):
and we think we've made a tremendous upswing in that aspect.
I think more people are aware of the fact they
associated ob city with these disease processes and they're realizing,
you know, people want not only length of life, but
they want quality of life. So therefore, we really do
see that the drugs have made a major impact, which

(23:29):
is a great tool for us as physicians, but we
really think they're missing that one aspect which I really
will tell you Cala Curb has really fit that bill
beautifully and I proved it because we've done it, and
we've proved that that's the best method to do it.
Our results are really really spectacular.

Speaker 4 (23:48):
Well, we would say, you know, in calicab, we would
envisions envisage a world without obesity. But remember every day,
you know, your Brian is still fighting you every day.
So you know, like for me, helicub just allows me
to walk past that muffin at morning tea. It allows
me to walk past I'm full after dinner. I don't

(24:09):
need dessert or I'm not going to have a biscuit
later on the fact.

Speaker 5 (24:13):
That the calicurb will give you that four to six hours.
What happens is and we've done this study in the
United States, and I know we've done it in some
of the other country surrounding the United States. That nighttime
eating is the worst culprit. You have dinner, you're gonna
sit down, you're gonna watch television, you want to munch

(24:34):
on something. A lot of people aren't going to grab
a carrot and those healthy things. People are going to
grab chips and those type of things. The fact that
the half life of calicurb, how long it lasts if
you take it before dinner, gives you that four to
six hours. Therefore, they're not craving there's chips at night.
They don't have a full belly full of bad you know,

(24:56):
foods that are just sitting there causing you to put
on the pound. I think that curb itself has made
a tremendous impact. I know in our patients that we've studied,
it's been tremendous.

Speaker 4 (25:08):
Just remember it's not all about weight loss. It is
about weight management or weight maintenance. So you just we
are surrounded by food every day and our brain is
telling us. So if you can just quieten some of
that down, and you know this is the other things,
this noise in your head, and how many people, well
most of our comments come back. You take the noise

(25:31):
out of my head.

Speaker 6 (25:33):
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Speaker 1 (25:36):
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Speaker 2 (25:53):
Hello, welcome to We need to Talk Now. You might
know dtr Mary Burtzel as the Fertility Queen of New Zealand.
Via Fertility Associates, Mary has helped countless couples realize their
dream of having a child, even when the odds have
been stacked against them. I'm one of those people. Mary
was the expert I turned to when I first explored
surrogacy as an option to have my son Lockey, six

(26:15):
years ago. But fertility is not the reason Mary is
chatting with me today. Mary has had her own personal
health problems. She was diagnosed with anal cancer in twenty
twenty one and quickly found there was no support group,
no pink ribbons, when all she wanted was to connect
with someone who had walked this journey before her. Being

(26:36):
a doctor herself, she found that anal cancer is a
preventable cancer, but the knowledge and tools are not being
used here. In alter or, Mary it's lovely to see
you again. Thank you. Sorry, it's under such awful circumstances.
I had no idea that this had been going on
for you. How is your health sitting here today?

Speaker 3 (26:56):
I am good. I've just had my three year check
so I am now out of the woods. So I
am good. Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
How did this come about? How did you know that
you had anal cancer?

Speaker 3 (27:07):
Well? I was perfectly fit and well, working seventy hours
a week, being busy, and I had a bit of
bleeding when I went to the loo and I thought, oh,
I've got hemorrhoids. My father had hemorrhoids at fifty nine.
I went, yeah, just got hemorrhoids. So I discussed it
with my husband. He's a GP, and it was during

(27:28):
COVID and we thought we'd bypass GPS because they weren't
really seeing patients. So I did a really dumb doctor
thing and I just booked myself in to have a
colonoscopy because I kind of thought, I want the drugs,
I want to be asleep. I don't want to know
anyone's looking at my bottom.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
So I went to see a colleague because being in medicine,
you know everyone, and I said, look, I think I've
got hemorrhoids, but I just don't want to know. I
don't have anything more serious, and give me lots of drugs.
So I woke up after the beautiful drugs and he said, yeah,
you've got a couple of hemorrhoids. You know, basically, get
over yourself and get on with life.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Yeah, and that was just from a cholonoscopy. Yes, yep.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
The next four months I had a lot more bleeding,
I had some discomfort, and I thought, wow, I'm going
to have to do something about these hemorrhoids. So I
booked myself in to see a colorectal surgeon and he said,
these aren't hemorrhoids, Mary, you have anal cancer. And my
world kind of stopped.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Oh, I bet it did. So did you think by
having the cholonoscopy that that was enough to be checked?

Speaker 3 (28:32):
One hundred percent? And in fact, when I showed the
cholorectal surgeon the images that had been given from my chlonoscopy,
he said, oh, yeah, you can see the cancer quite
clearly on the images. So that was challenging because I
had seen many doctors as patients over my career and
I always felt that when I was seeing someone special,

(28:54):
like a doctor or you, and I would really up
my game and try really hard. So it was really
challenging to have my cancer completely misdiagnosed.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
Yeah, and why do you think that.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
I think that he didn't think about it. I think
he might have been a bit burnt out, was on
remote control. And when I contacted him about it, he said, oh, wow,
that's never happened to me before. And I thought, that's
an incredibly inadequate response, because this isn't actually about you,
this is now about me. And then he said, but

(29:29):
you're not the sort of person who gets anal cancer,
And in fact, that is entirely incorrect, because the most
common person to get aint or cancer is a sixty
year old woman, and so I was absolutely the typical person.
So that was kind of disappointing.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
And what happened from that point? Where were you in
terms of how serious the cancer was?

Speaker 3 (29:54):
Yeah, it was pretty serious. It was five centimeters, so
quite a decent size cancer. I think the fortunate thing
about being a doctor at that point is is things
happened really quickly, and so I launched quite quickly into treatment,
and that fortunately for me was starting within two weeks
of being diagnosed.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
What was the treatment.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
The treatment's a combination of chemotherapy and radiotherapy, and it
was pretty harsh. You know. I've famously said I wouldn't
put my dog through this, and it was also really
difficult to be offered a treatment that's fifty years old.
You kind of think we should be better than this.
Why are we still putting people through this? And the

(30:38):
rather trite responses that I would get, Oh, it works
quite well. And what quite well means that seventy percent
of people are cured by this. But when I went
from being what I thought was completely well to someone
telling me that I had a thirty percent chance that
I would be dead, that didn't feel great to me.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
You had no other choice, I'm guessing.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
No, And it is effective treatment, and clearly it has
worked for me.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Do you have any idea how you contracted in cancer?

Speaker 3 (31:08):
So anal cancer is almost all due to HPV, so
it's exactly the same as cervical cancer, and HPV is
something that we just are ignoring, you know, even though
we think we're vaccinating our young people.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
That's the one where girls around twelve thirteen is that
the girls and boys and always get the vaccine.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
Yeah, in New Zealand currently we're vaccinating less than half
of our kids, and yet HPV causes eight percent of
all cancers in women. So it's the single biggest cause
of cancers in the world and it is utterly preventable
these cancers with the use of the vaccine, and we're

(31:52):
just not talking about it.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
So you obviously hadn't had that vaccine.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
No, And the difficulty is you need to have the
vaccine before you become sexually active. So that's because that's
how we all acquire HPV. So there's about thirty years
of people who will never have had the vaccine. So
there's a lot more of these cancers to come. And
in fact, anal cancer is increasing by two percent each

(32:19):
year just because of these nasty HPV viruses that were around.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
There will be people listening to this right now in
the same situation as you. I didn't get that vaccine.
In fact, I'm one of those people absolutely that came
in after my time. Yeah, what do we do to
try and prevent this?

Speaker 3 (32:36):
Well, now you should be having your regular cervical screening
and that's now done in a much better way. Where
they're actually looking for HPV. So the big thing is
to have your regular screens for HPV, and if you
found that you do have HPV, say to the person, hey,

(32:57):
I want to be checked for ainal cancer. And I
think what should now be part of a routine guyiny
exam is actually having a rectal exam at the same time.
And that's people don't do that and they need to
be doing it.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
So you can have HPV and not have anal cancer, right.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
Yes, absolutely, But if you do have HPV, particularly HPV
sixteen and eighteen, because there are a whole lot of
different subtypes, these are the ones that mostly cause anal cancer,
along with other cancers like header neck cancers, penal cancer,
VOLVL cancer, vaginal cancer, and of course cervical cancer.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yeah. I know people will be listening to this thinking, oh,
I don't know if I want to rect them exam.
Can you put their minds at ease?

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Yeah, it's two minutes, you know, But I think just
doing a swab, getting your swabs done is really important.
And the other PA message I want to really get
out there is if you're having any sort of bleeding,
go and get checked and say to someone, do you
think I might have anal cancer. Don't be fobbed off
because I think sometimes doctors aren't keen to examine bottoms.

(34:05):
Sometimes we're not keen to show our bottoms to doctors.
And I think we all just need to get over this.
It's just another part of our body.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
I think the scary thing for me about your story
is you had blood in your stool, and I think,
I mean, I would be alarmed by that, but then
you did take the correct step to go and get
it checked, and then it was fine. And that's everyone's
worst nightmare. You go and think you've done the correct
process and that still doesn't lead you anywhere.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
Yeah, and my story is the story of fifty percent
of people with anal cancer. I think the doctors need
to up their game. And as a doctor, I'm allowed
to say that.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
How do you get that message through to GPS?

Speaker 3 (34:42):
I think you just do things like this. You just
are brave enough to get out there and tell your story.

Speaker 6 (34:50):
You're listening to. We need to talk with Tony Street.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
I know that doctors would be looking for, say, lumps
in the breast, because breast cancer has had so much publicity.
We talked about ribbon is it because not as many
people get this type of cancer.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
Yeah, it is quite rare. So it's one hundred people
a year in New Zealand get anal cancer, so it
is pretty uncommon. There are some people who are really
at risk of ain or cancer and they're the people
that we should be actively targeting for screening.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Who are those people?

Speaker 3 (35:22):
They're people with HIV, people who have things wrong with
their immune system, so people who are on immo suppressing drugs,
maybe have had SLA, you know, lupus, people who have
had solid organ transplants, women who have had cevical cancer,
vulv or cancer. So these are the groups there. They're

(35:43):
at really high risk. And in Australia they're just about
to roll out testing for these people, so they're actually
going to be screened for ainal cancer, which will be
fabulous because you can actually detect aanal can answer before
it becomes ain or cancer and then prevent people going

(36:04):
through the horrible treatment that you need to do. So
you can detect it much like we detect people with
abnormal cells in their serv ax.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
So how would that screening process work.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
Yeah, so you'd take this population that at a particular
high risk and you do either a smear on their
butts or a swab, just like we do in vaginas.
And then the people who show up that they have
some abnormal cells, they would go through and have essentially
a colposcopy of their anus. So that's like looking at

(36:36):
your anus with a microscope and if you can see
these abnormal cells, you biopsye them and remove them before
they become ain or cancer. And so this screening is
about to be rolled out in Australia. But the frustrating
thing in New Zealand is we are nowhere close to
doing any of this. And what we don't even have

(36:59):
is is any reasonable number of clinicians that are trained
and looking at your anus. So there's a real gap
in our in our medical system.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
And I know that when you got diagnosed, you almost
didn't know where to turn. And I feel like if
a doctor doesn't know where to turn for support and information,
then the rest of us are screwed. Right.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
Look, it was really hard. It was so socially isolating,
and all I wanted to do was connect with someone
who had been through this treatment and how to get
through it. So when I was through all of it
and about a year or two down the line. Then
I started a support group. And what that looks like
is I've put together a lovely website that's called anal

(37:43):
Cancer Support Services at Rower, and it's got good informative,
good quality information. And we've also run a peer to
peer support program, so if you've got ain or cancer,
you can connect with us and we'll match you with
someone who's been through the process to be kind of
you're support buddy through the process. And I've got a
Facebook group. It's a very elite club. You need to

(38:06):
have had anal cancer to be part of this little club.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
So we don't want to be part of that club,
but good to know it's there. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
So, and I've also made a podcast series and I'm
really super excited about my podcast.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Here tell us what that's called.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
It's called anal Cancer All You Wanted to Know but
we're afraid to ask Spotify and Apple and it's just
eight episodes of everything you want to know about anal cancer.
And it's the sort of thing that I would have
would have wanted to have had when I was diagnosed.
And I'm super excited to have got that up.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Yeah, well done you for doing that one thing that
would have made all of this much harder for you.
You were just telling me before we started chatting that
your husband was also diagnosed with cancer at the same time.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
Yeah, that was pretty surreal. You know, it's hard enough
having one of you go through cancer, let alone the
two of you. And it was a really tough time.
In fact, we talk about our anus orobolis. You know
how the Queen had her bad year, so we had
we had a tough year. But yeah, we've got through
it and we're great. But you know, it was challenging

(39:12):
times and it really tests your relationship, I think, because
you know, generally you want to support your partner fully
and it's hard when you both need that support.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Yeah, and you'd both be dealing with it in different ways.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
I guess, very different ways. My husband is my opposite.
They say opposites attract, and so it was. It was
a tough time. I had a fabulous psychologist. I would
highly recommend that to anybody going through cancer. Treatment and
friends and family really important. But the tough thing about
anal cancer is many of us don't want to say

(39:48):
we've got anal cancer. There's this awful stigma that it's
supposed to be associated with having anal sex, so people
are incredibly embarrassed about it. But that's not necessarily the case,
absolutely not. And I think as women, you can't help
wear this virus lands. And this is this really lovely
study that's come out of Tasmania that shows that if

(40:11):
you're a woman and you're a front to back wiper,
after you've been to the loop and we're all taught
to wipe that way so we don't get UTIs, you're
much more likely to get a or cancer than if
you're a back to front wiper because you just spread
the virus around. So you can't help with this virus lands.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Are you saying that we've all been wiping wrong? Should
we change your heabits? I'm shook.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
Look maybe we all need to become dabbers. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Wow, that's that is something to process right now. I
need to bring that up on radio. I think we're
talking about.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
That I've spoken about before.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
Wow. Yeah, that there could be a whole podcast on
it sown. I think as a doctor you would have
seen many many patients particularly who would have come through
fertility associates, and some of them would have gone through chemotherapy.
Do you have a different or deeper understanding now of
what your patients went through, given you've been through that
grueling treatment.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
Yeah, one hundred percent. I think that it just teaches
you how hard it is to be a patient and
how incredibly vulnerable you are, and how people with the
best intentions in the world often don't treat you as
you would want to be treated. And I was, without

(41:33):
a doubt, the worst pression in the world.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
But you know, you kind of had motivation to be
after being misdiagnosed. I mean that's a lot to process
in itself.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
I was pretty angry. Yeah, but even like I've recently
had an MRI, because you have, you know, these regular images,
and it just brought home how difficult it is to
be a patient again because things like you say, oh,
when will you get your result, because you're desperate to
get there is and they go of three to five
working days, but it needs to be seen by your

(42:04):
specialist first. It drives me crazy. This gives me the result.
It just gives me the result. The information belongs to me.
It does not need to be vetted by someone else.
I am an adult. It's just that the experience of
being a patient. I find incredibly difficult.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
And it's interesting because I feel like we have come
quite far in that respect, you know, from when I
was a kid and you had no access to your
lab results at least now we have sites like your
Health three, six, five, where you have access to some
of them and the patient notes like that's one good thing, right,
It is.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
Better, But things like patients aren't necessarily c seed on
all their own letters, so there's all this doctor talk
that doesn't involve the most important person. I found at
times I was asked to undress in places where my
privacy wasn't respected. I just found it a really challenging process,

(43:00):
and I think we can. Even though I absolutely think
we have got better, I think there's a long long
way to go before we treat patients as I think
they need to be treated.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
What's the answer then, to this, What's the answer I.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
Think every doctor needs to go in through radiation is yes.
I think we just need to put ourselves in the
patient's seat. The answer is to include patients in all decisions,
in all communication, and just be kinder people.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
How do you get this message out? I mean, I
know you're putting it out now, that's that's part of it.
But how do you make sure so that New Zealand
the health professionals can all be sort of lifted up
to where you think it needs to be.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
I'm not sure. I yeah, I talk about it all
the time. As I was having my MRI this week,
I was grilling the poor radiographer about why the communication
process was so poor. So I just talk about it
all the time.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
And for people that might be concerned that they too
could have a misdiagnosis, what is your message to people
when they're going in to get their tests.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
If you're worried and you're not getting the care that
you think you need, seek a second opinion. And I
couldn't say that strongly enough. I think that you know
if something's not right, so go back and ask and
ask again.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
I think I can say this to you. It shocked
me that as a doctor you had blood in you're
still you kind of didn't take it seriously.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
Yeah, And I was stupid, And part of that was
my unwillingness to show my bottom to someone, which you know,
as a kind of cologist just frankly dumb yep, And
me having this explanation in my head to what it was,
and you kind of downplay it, and my thinking I
didn't need to bother my GP during COVID, you know,

(44:53):
I think you know, and they weren't really keen to
see people face to face, So I think that's all stupid.
This is just another part of your body. We've all
got one. We couldn't live without it. We just need
to just treat it like any other part of our
body and go and get checked.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Do you think anal cancer stats are going to decrease
in New Zealand or are we on the way up?

Speaker 3 (45:14):
We're on the way up, and so that's why I'm
keen to get this message out. Go and get checked,
and please, as a doctor, please check people saying this
is properly.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
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Speaker 2 (45:45):
Hello, welcome to We need to talk. It's lovely to
have you with us. Have you ever asked yourself? Am
I doing what I'm meant to be doing? In this
world is what I'm doing and how I'm living my
life right for me and am I reaching my maximum potential.
Design is attracting success overseas for its ability to transform
people's lives, both personally and professionally, and an increasing number

(46:08):
of corporates, retreats and individuals here in New Zealand are
now exploring human design too. What it is is a
mix of science, psychology, and various Eastern philoso fees. It's
a modern system to bring meaning to your life. So
the profiling techniques help you discover your energy type, your
profile type, decision making strategies, your life purpose, your leading gifts,

(46:30):
your strengths, your leading sense, your digestion profile, and environmental preferences,
all of which I'm quite intrigued to hear. Charlotte Hill
is the founder of Key We practice True North well Being.
They aim to bring balance, purpose, and clarity to your
day using a mix of these individual profiling, mind, body,
soul analysis. Her background is in law, media planning, and

(46:52):
high performance athlete management. She studied with the New York
Institute of Integrative Nutrition, the Los Angeles based Mind Architect
and My Human Design, which is quite a background. Charlotte
but why did you get into this field in the
first place.

Speaker 8 (47:07):
Well, as you can see, it's very nonlinear my background.
I guess I've always had a passion for wellbeing, but
I had studied law and I then got into advertising,
and I think in my early twenties I started to
get the swell sense that I had a humanitarian spect
To me, I'm a life path nine in numerology, which

(47:27):
is very much the humanitarian, But my journey kind of
still kept me on the course of various different things.
As a manifesting generator, you follow your passions, the things.

Speaker 9 (47:36):
That lights you up.

Speaker 8 (47:37):
It's a very sort of multi passionate lifestyle and you
just go with the opportunities as they arise.

Speaker 10 (47:42):
But eventually I.

Speaker 8 (47:44):
Got to the point where I was like, no, absolutely,
I need to pursue this passion for wellbeing. And that's
when I did the studies that I've done and stumbled
across my human design as well.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
So how do you find out what your energy profile is?
And why is it important? Why do we need to
know it?

Speaker 8 (48:00):
The reason your energy profile is so important is for
managing burnout. So there are five main energy types. We've
got the manifesto Pure manifesto, which is the innovator. They
are the people that are here to bring new things
into form. So if you've got a team in a
workplace and you're doing product development, you won't have a
manifestor on board because the people that are going to

(48:21):
just create something that hasn't existed previously. The guy that
actually developed the human design system is a manifestor, and
so that makes total sense. He created something that was
entirely new. Then we've got the projector who is very visionary.
That is your profile energy type, Tony. So yeah, the

(48:43):
projectors are here to see more than do though. They're
very strategic and able to see how we should best
allocate resources and create efficiency and refinement in the world.
Then we have generators who are like the worst workforce
of humanity. Seventy to people are generators, but of their
subset is basically half are manifesting generators. And whereas a

(49:07):
generator is typically very linear in their pathway through life
and very relational people great in teams, really sort of
motivational people, They're very inspiring to be around, the manifesting
generator are very nonlinear.

Speaker 10 (49:24):
That's myself as a mention before.

Speaker 8 (49:25):
So multi passionate very quick, able to move from task
to task very very quickly. But both the generator and
the manifesting generator have access to this life for synergy
that they can tap into all day long.

Speaker 10 (49:37):
But what's really.

Speaker 8 (49:38):
Important to understand with human design and the energy types
is it's not you know, you can burn out from
doing only a few hours work if it's not the
work that's aligned for you. So it's all about understanding
what your decision making, strategy and authority is so that
you can make decisions that are right for you and
do aligned work and then you're not going to burn out.

(50:00):
And actually, as a generator or a manifesting generator, you
typically get more and more energy as a day goes
on if you're doing the right kind of work because
it sort of amplifies.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
A projector like me doesn't have as much energy stores, right, not.

Speaker 8 (50:13):
As much energy stores, but because you kind of reflect
the energy around you. If you are spending time with
the generator or a manifesting generator, you're going to be
able to reflect their energy as well.

Speaker 10 (50:24):
But it's just not sustainable.

Speaker 8 (50:25):
So the typical day for a projector the ideal day
if you're in alignment would actually look like two to
three hours of interfacing work.

Speaker 10 (50:34):
This kind of work. So you're doing your podcasts, my
radio show. Yeah, your radio show absolutely good.

Speaker 8 (50:39):
Yeah, yeah, perfect, but only two or three hours a day,
and then the idea is that you'd spend you're still working.

Speaker 10 (50:46):
And this is the thing with the projector is they.

Speaker 8 (50:47):
Can look like that perhaps slacking off, slacking off or resting,
but a projector never stops thinking, so they will always
be continually analyzing, like using their mind even when they
are lying down, resting all of those things.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
I try and tell my boss when I leave here,
it doesn't stop lanning at home. I'm always thinking of
new ideas.

Speaker 10 (51:07):
Always, never, never stop working.

Speaker 8 (51:10):
So the idea would be that you would then be
maybe retreating into an office to refine what you do
and work on, say the stuff for the next day,
and let people come to you. Because the decision making
strategy and authority for a projector is to wait for
the invitation.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
Yeah. I love this. So there's energy types that you
get given and it's based off your birth date, and
how does that work?

Speaker 8 (51:36):
Yeah, So it's the science behind human design is that
there are sub atomic particles in the atmosphere the time
that you're born. Now, these are called neutrinos and they
are able to pass through matter, so they can influence
your genetic coding and sequencing. So if you think about it,
we're all energy in the same way as epigenetics is

(51:57):
the study of how in our lifetime the thing that
happened to us can influence our DNA and then pass
on to future generations. It's a similar concept and that
it's all about the energy that's in existence at the
time that you're born, which makes a lot of sense
when you think about how we're all so uniquely different
from a personality perspective and that sort of thing. In
human design, the very first thing that's generated when we

(52:18):
put those input details in, which is your place of birth,
date of birth, and an accurate time of birth. Once
we have that information, the first thing that's produced is
a body graph, and it has nine energy centers of
the body mapped out. And everybody's body graph is totally personalized.
So mine looks very different to yours. And how do
you know what yours is compared to mine, because it

(52:40):
will generate mine. It'll okay, So when I ran your details,
it produced your specific chart, and the beautiful thing about
it is it shows all the gifts that and strengths
that you have. It shows all of this information. It
shows the energy circuit of how energy moves through your body.
And one thing that I'm focusing a lot on now

(53:02):
is the relational aspect. So for example, if I was
to look at your design and your partners or your
design and a colleagues, I can see how your energy corresponds to.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Each other and where there might be discrepancies.

Speaker 8 (53:17):
Yeah, where there might be friction points or what or
when you come together, what are the strengths that you
create that you don't have when you're not together. Because
that's a really powerful dynamic of connection, is that when
two people come together, they create this whole new It's
almost like a composite profile and can create amazing things

(53:38):
when you're together. So it's a really positive way of
looking at relationships and sort of harnessing that good stuff
between you.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
So you hear this energy profile and from that you
can work out how to better make decisions. Yeah, when
to rest? Yes, So you've just tell me, I'm someone
that would work in more bite sized chunks as opposed
to working all day yep, and also how to feel
your body.

Speaker 10 (54:02):
Yes, well, that's right.

Speaker 8 (54:04):
So everyone has an optimal digestion profile. And it's not
just about food. It's about how you process information as well.
And the thing that I really love about human design
is it's you know, it's so differentiated with all these layers,
which makes your report look really distinctly for you, Tony
and mine for me. But in terms of digestion, it

(54:24):
also shows how bio individual we are. And you know,
there are so many health and wellbeing trends that, like,
some of them are amazing and do suit all of us,
like eat a whole food diet, get lots of sleep,
or exercise all these things that would benefit all of us,
but there are elements of them that aren't just for everybody.

Speaker 10 (54:42):
Like your one is direct light.

Speaker 8 (54:45):
For digestion, so it's best for you to eat in
daytime hours, oh yeah, and or close to a window
where you're getting access to direct light. And you might
find the same if you're working, because you process information
well when you've got light around.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
That's interesting you say that because I have always loathed
working night shifts, and a used work night shift sometimes
at TV and dead and I hate it.

Speaker 8 (55:09):
So that would make total sense, because it's just saying
that the way your mind works is better in those
daytime hours, so yours is actually in keeping with circadian rhythms.
So that's quite a popular kind of trend to think
about eating and working within the hours of the circadian rhythm.
But for other people like my daughter, for example, she's

(55:30):
hers this evening light, so she's better to actually eat
at night, which like the majority of her food at night,
which totally goes against a lot of thinking people.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
And yet that'd be the same case. She might be
better to work at night as well.

Speaker 8 (55:43):
Yes, absolutely, so she'd been the sort of person that'd
be a late night studier that kind of thing. And
mine is high sound, so which is super interesting.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
I chuck on your headphones while you work, absolutely wow.

Speaker 8 (55:56):
But also to have like a really good playlist guying
when I'm eating as well. But I think it's to
do with relaxing the nervous systems. So for me, if
my body knows that it's had the queue to listen
to something that I really enjoy and have that going
in the background, it knows to activate to send the
enzymes that process food, and I.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Have considered working out what the kids' profiles were. Yeah,
particularly I guess for teams that are having to study
and needing a lot of energy for things like sport.

Speaker 8 (56:23):
And absolutely I think human design is amazing tool, particularly
in those later years of schooling, because that transitioning into
who they are going to become, right, And the whole
idea with human design is it's your blueprint for personal alignment,
is stepping into the highest expression of your authentic self.
And you know, many of us have been quite conditioned

(56:43):
to sort of be like someone that we admire or
whereas you can only ever truly be most effective when
you show up as your most authentic, highest expression of
yourself who you came here to be.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
And when you think about the conversations you have with
people on the daily, like I have this conversation all
the time because people will say to me, oh, how
do you get up so early in the morning for radio?
And my response to them is, I'm a morning person.
I'm useless at night, and I already know that about myself,
and that is essentially an element of human design, right. Absolutely,
let a lot of people, if you're not in touch

(57:15):
with that, you might be doing all the wrong thing.

Speaker 8 (57:17):
Yeah, and you might be thinking other people can do it, yes,
why can't I, and.

Speaker 10 (57:21):
Just force themselves to where it gives you. It kind
of gives you.

Speaker 8 (57:25):
That ability to just lean into something that says no, no,
this is how I'm meant to be and you can
feel very confident to make your decisions accordingly.

Speaker 10 (57:34):
As a result of that, this is.

Speaker 6 (57:38):
We need to talk with Tony Street.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
So from my profile the projector, we know that I
can work for two to three hours at a time
and then I have to have periods of rest. I
need the sunlight while I'm eating, and I work best
in the daylight. Not a vampire. Is there anything else
when you looked at my profile that you found intriguing?

Speaker 11 (57:58):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (57:59):
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 8 (58:00):
So you have what is called self projected decision making authority.

Speaker 10 (58:04):
So that's super rare as well.

Speaker 8 (58:06):
I think only two point a percent of people have
that one, which is really cool.

Speaker 10 (58:11):
It means that if you imagine.

Speaker 8 (58:13):
Your thoughts in your mind as all wound up like
in a ball of string, and to get clarity over
what you need to do in the coming week or
a decision you need to make you get.

Speaker 10 (58:26):
That clarity by speaking out loud.

Speaker 8 (58:30):
So either talking with a friend or a colleague, or
the actual best case scenario would be to do voice notes,
because what happens is when you hear your voice talking
those that ball of thoughts in your mind takes linear
form and it gives you clarity. It's been out like that.

(58:50):
So I don't know if you notice, do you talk
out things that.

Speaker 10 (58:53):
You're going through?

Speaker 2 (58:54):
I'm sure Sam and Jason on Post think I get
to work and I'm like, so I've got business is
and I kind of verbal diarrhea for the first twenty minutes,
and I think they look at me like, geez, how
did she come in here with all of that? Wow?
So I do do that. I do.

Speaker 8 (59:08):
But what you could actually do as well is do
the voice no in the car on the way to.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
Work and save them from being punished.

Speaker 8 (59:14):
Well, not just that, but more that, because what can
happen when you're in conversation with someone with this type
of authority is that they're going to potentially think that
they're in a conversation with you, right whereas really you're
just talking and so just talking at them, yeah yeah yeah,
Whereas it might be easy for you to do it

(59:34):
in a format where you're not because it's not about
their feedback.

Speaker 10 (59:38):
It's about you hearing yourself, so you're not looking for
the input of the other person.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
So I just want to get out Yeah yeah, yeah.
But it's funny you say that because I know when
I reflect on my life, whenever I've got things where
I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed, Yes, I always feel better
when I serbilize it, whether it's to my mum or
to my husband, yeah, to a friend, Yeah, it always
makes me feel better.

Speaker 12 (01:00:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:00:03):
So that makes total sense because that's your that's your outlet.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Yeah, interesting, whereas others perhaps might.

Speaker 8 (01:00:08):
Be totally like, so half of all people have an
emotional wave within them, and on one of these people,
it doesn't mean we're like necessarily highly emotional or seem
highly emotional, but it means that in any given moment,
you don't have truth in that moment.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
You could be at.

Speaker 8 (01:00:25):
A high point in the wave or a low point
in the wave, so you need to wait for the calm,
midpoint of clarity, so you don't make an emotionally charged decision.

Speaker 10 (01:00:33):
And that's half of people.

Speaker 8 (01:00:35):
And it's actually a really interesting point, that one, because
I think there's an element that leads into the mental
health discussion. I think so many of us potentially understand
that wave as potentially having an association to mental health, whereas.

Speaker 10 (01:00:49):
It's absolutely not. It's not even really related.

Speaker 8 (01:00:52):
It's more just understanding that you have kind of like
it's just a mood and it's going to happen regardless
of what's happening around unto So it's really interesting, like
if you understand that about yourself, that you are going
to have days that you wake up a little bit
lower and then other days where you wake up feeling amazing,
it's much easier to go on that journey of accepting

(01:01:13):
how you feel.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Oh, I agree, because quite often you just want explanations
for why something is happening. If you know that that's
built in you, it's.

Speaker 8 (01:01:21):
Just part of your biological system, you kind of give
yourself a break.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:01:25):
Absolutely, you can just be like, oh, it's that sort
of the day to day, I've.

Speaker 10 (01:01:29):
Just got a bit in wood.

Speaker 9 (01:01:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
What about when it comes to exercise and movement.

Speaker 10 (01:01:34):
Yes, So that's a really interesting one.

Speaker 8 (01:01:36):
Again, a manifesting generator and a generator are going to
typically have a bit.

Speaker 10 (01:01:42):
More energy for that kind of stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:01:43):
But definitely the other energy types will love it as well.
But it's just about acknowledging when your body is telling
you to rest. So it's been very intuitive. And if
you've got the human design, as I mentioned the nine
energy centers, if you've got the ego center, find that
generally means you've got quite strong willpower and a bit more.

Speaker 10 (01:02:03):
Of a capacity to persevere and push through.

Speaker 8 (01:02:06):
So understanding that about yourself, you can kind of get
tuned into whether you do or don't have that capacity
and whether to understand if you're being a little bit
procrastinating or actually do need rest.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
Wow, this is so fascinating. What about you talk touched
on the relationships with perhaps a partner, what about your
other interactions you know, because I'm guessing this could help
in the workplace of it's interacting with a boss or
a colleague.

Speaker 8 (01:02:32):
Yeah, absolutely well, And this is where human design has
been so effective in terms of leadership excellence and team dynamics,
because even as a leader, if you understand your profile type,
like for example, if you were in a role as
a sort of CEO of an organization or something like that,
as a projector your leadership style would be that you
would do the kind of two to three hours chatting

(01:02:55):
away to people and talking about the strategic direction of
the week or what have you. But then the idea
will be that you would be in your office and
let your people come to you versus the micromanaging stuff.
So understanding the energy types is really useful like that,
and it's also invites compassion I think into the workplace, like, oh,
I see you for who you are. You're not being difficult,

(01:03:16):
that is your makeup or that is just how you
express yourself. And then yeah, from a connection perspective, I
think it's just so beautiful how we're chictelessly drawn to
the people that kind of create the chemistry in our chart.
So if you've got one gift that's associated with one
energy center and someone in your team has a gift

(01:03:36):
and another energy center, when they meet, it's like it's
sort of like a chemistry explosion, and it's like all
these great ideas we'll be able to formulate and all
that kind of thing. So it gives you a blueprint
to kind of recognize where the opportunities are.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
Especially if you were forming a team as well. For example,
in my line of work, when you're creating a radio
show like I take the three of us, Yes, Jason, Zam.
Jason and we've worked out as a generator and Sam
and I are both projectors. Now is that ideal?

Speaker 12 (01:04:06):
No?

Speaker 8 (01:04:06):
I think that's perfect because you've got that access to
life or synergy all day long through the generator profile,
which is also going to help the other two, and
you've got the visionary aspect of so it's actually a
really nice balance. If you had a bigger team, you
might be looking to have say one manifestor, because they're
going to come in with all the new ideas and

(01:04:28):
creative side. It would be great to have a projector
in the team because they're going to be strategic and
be thinking ahead and working out who.

Speaker 10 (01:04:36):
Should work best together.

Speaker 8 (01:04:38):
But you also need those generators and manifesting generators. And
a generator is that person that's going to be very
niche and they master their craft, so that are the
people that are going to specialize in what they do
or as a manifesting generator, we like, this is a
perfect day for me because I'm here with you doing
this podcast, which I don't do every other day, and
then I've got a meeting shortly after in the city

(01:05:00):
and then I'll be going back to do something different
in the afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
It's all varied.

Speaker 8 (01:05:03):
Yeah, we sit variation, being able to put on a
different sort of hat within business, so on, more entrepreneurial
because you get to do your social.

Speaker 10 (01:05:11):
Media, you're doing your tax you're doing all of it.
You know, life something different all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
Could you dictate your career path once you know what
you are best at, you help you make decisions in their.

Speaker 8 (01:05:23):
Most absolutely, and back to what we were talking about
before with the teens understanding their design. So because you're
in that transition point, because what human design does is
it shows you your life purpose, which is an essence
that you carry wherever you go.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
So your life what you means by that, So it's.

Speaker 8 (01:05:40):
Not just about how you show up in a work capacity.
It's not just what work you're here to do. It's
sort of the essence of personality, of skill set that
is supposed to show up in all aspects of your life. Okay,
but your life purpose in human design is made up
of four distinct gifts, and one of those gifts is
your leading gift.

Speaker 10 (01:05:59):
So I think it just gives you this really.

Speaker 8 (01:06:02):
Clear understanding of where your talents are and your innate talents,
because I think you know in the workplace, if you've
gone and studied, you've done your degree, you've you've got
all this learned education, right, But money can't buy those innate.

Speaker 10 (01:06:18):
Skills that are within you.

Speaker 8 (01:06:19):
So it's really tapping into that resource of what you
can do that are the people just simply no matter
how much they trained, they just may not be able
to reach that level of innate skill.

Speaker 6 (01:06:32):
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Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
Okay, so let's use my as an example. Absolutely what
Let's hope it aligns with what I'm doing in my life.
But there's no shame in adjusting your life to better
suit what you should be doing.

Speaker 8 (01:06:49):
Right, Oh, no, absolutely, And I think the thing with
human design is if you follow the decision makings. They
say that there are two most important things to take
away from it, and that's your energy type. If you
understand your energy type and you understand your decision making strategy,
then you're just going to make correct decisions every day,
which will ultimately mean the rest of your life flows

(01:07:09):
into alignments.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
And I feel like lots of people will have periods
in their life where they I remember saying to my mom,
can you just make this decision for me? You know
this is am makings quite hard sometimes.

Speaker 10 (01:07:19):
Yeah, no, totally it is.

Speaker 8 (01:07:20):
But if you understand, if you have confidence in yours
and how you get clarity, then it makes it much
easier to lean into that, like I had. I'd bumped
into a client a couple of days ago out walking
and she said to me, you're nice. She did her
human design with me last year, and she said, I've
been saying to people, the best thing I did in
twenty twenty four was get my human design done. Because

(01:07:41):
now when I make decisions, I make them confidently because
I know that that is my way of doing it,
that's unique to me, and it just gives me confidence
to lean into know that is the right decision versus
considering what would my mind say?

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
Yes, just some direction? Yeah, absolutely, I love this idea
for me. Yeah, I really do think anything that's going
to help you do what you meant to be doing
and how you meant to be doing it, Yeah, is
such a positive. Yeah, so on that.

Speaker 8 (01:08:08):
Okay, So your life purpose, this is how it reads.
So you are here to have an expensive mind of
unlimited capacity. This is used firstly for your own processes,
but then extended also to other people and projects around you.
It is an innate gift of making sense of complex
concepts and distilling the knowledge into a format that others

(01:08:28):
can easily understand. When you seek out more research and wisdom,
you are accessing your higher consciousness in a way that
can be deeply fulfilling.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
Okay, so how would you say that in lay terms?
I mean, I get it.

Speaker 8 (01:08:40):
I would just say that you are able to take
things that maybe seem quite intellectual and serious and then
kind of distill as the word that they used in
human design, but it's simplifias actually, so you can take
something that's complex simplify into terms that everybody is going
to find relatable.

Speaker 10 (01:09:00):
Yeah. So, which is a great beautiful skill. And then
your leading.

Speaker 8 (01:09:04):
Gift as part of that life purpose is the gift
of concluding. So it says you like to leave no
stone unturned, and you'll go one step further and examine
those stones to get through to the answer and the conclusion.
This could be wrapping up projects, conversations, or theories. Every
time you use your gift of completion, you are creating
a great foundation for the next thing to begin. So

(01:09:25):
you feel like you do that. You need to almost
have made sense of a situation before.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
You move on one hundred percent like I am bordering on,
Like I will be obsessed with things until I've got
it perfect and no, now I can go Yes, I
do that a lot.

Speaker 8 (01:09:39):
Yeah, within your designlight. I think, for example, I've got
seventeen in mine. So when I do a report with people,
we generally focus on the top four, but then we
can go on to do subsequent sessions that really dive
into what all of the great gifts are they can channel.
But if you were a year twelve or thirteen student,
you might look at these gifts and think, okay, right,

(01:10:00):
like I know those resonate, but yeah, how could these
show up? And the kind of studies that I'm going
to be doing, and what kind of career do I
want to have where leaning into this, these gifts will be.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
My greatest It's what lights you fire, isn't it?

Speaker 10 (01:10:13):
Yeah? Absolutely?

Speaker 8 (01:10:15):
And then I was just going to have the quick
look at what your strongest sense is outer vision. So
this is all about visual stimulation, aesthetics and making your
life beautiful. Oh so it's it's sort of suggesting that
when you like, I know you're always wearing like you
love to wear your beautiful clothes and like creative prints
and things.

Speaker 10 (01:10:35):
It's all that sort of thing.

Speaker 8 (01:10:36):
And when you bring beauty into your life, it actually
brings beauty into the lives of others as well, Like
you kind of light up other people's lives by doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
It's a nice thing to say, and I'm.

Speaker 10 (01:10:46):
Sure in your home it probably reflects that too.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
Yeah, I'm really into starting my home. Yeah, I like
it all to look pretty. Yes, yells, flowers, yes, all
that stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:10:57):
And I just want to touch on back to the
body graph and the energy centers, because you have two
completely open energy centers in your design, which means that
you have no way of filtering the energy that comes
in and so in relation, the first one to mention
is your root center, which is where we feel drive, momentum,

(01:11:20):
but it's also where we feel stress and pressure. So
what it could look like is that you can almost
directly take on the stress of another person.

Speaker 10 (01:11:30):
So I don't know if that resonates.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
But you've just explained to me in a nutshell, just
explain to your life how often my husband says to
be just don't take that on board. I've got no choice.
I will say, I'm feeling what.

Speaker 10 (01:11:43):
I'm feeling, and you really feeling it as if it's
your own.

Speaker 8 (01:11:45):
Yes, that A really good way to look at it
would be to clock how you feel in your own
stress levels before you enter a space with the other people,
and that way you'll get a sense for is this
stress actually mine? Or am I just feeling it for
another person? And if you're feeling it for another person,
it's sort of the ability for you to be empathetic potentially,

(01:12:08):
but also take a step back and go, that's not
mine to manage.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
Yeah, it's really interesting you say that because I let's
say I'm looking at the herald and there will be
an article about something really bad, you know, a hurt
child or and I will read it and it will
affect me. And I know everyone gets affected, but it
really affects me to the point where I will cry
and like sitting with the boys at radio, and I

(01:12:33):
know that about myself. I can't read it if I'm
not prepared to feel it.

Speaker 8 (01:12:38):
Yes, I totally understand, because that is actually related to
your emotional soul. Aplexus Center of which is also totally open,
and that is exactly the scenario.

Speaker 10 (01:12:47):
It'll mean that you will feel.

Speaker 8 (01:12:48):
That experience as if it's happening to you, as if
it was your child, your family.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
And so it's really hard to park. And it's irrational
because you're like, it's a story, I should be able
to just move on from it, but I struggle to
let it go.

Speaker 8 (01:13:01):
It's because there's no natural filter and then a center
for you. So yeah, I would just choose very carefully
what you're going to absorb and take on, and just
the timing of it, like if you know you need
to read some article or something, maybe don't do it
before you've got to do a chirpy podcast if you
know it's exactly setting story.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
And I think that would be interesting for lots of
people to realize because we are in a world now
of consuming so much news and so much content. Yes,
that you do have to be careful. If you can't
park content, it could sit with you potentially without you
even knowing realizably.

Speaker 8 (01:13:38):
And I think it's just the understanding. It's just giving
you the understanding the acceptance of how we are as individuals,
so that we can make sense of those feelings when
they come up. So now when that happens, you'll be like, Okay,
get that for me. Because other people have a filtering system,
I don't, So.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
As a filtering system, what what.

Speaker 8 (01:13:56):
That would look like is it just means because within
every energy center there's number and those numbers are specific gifts.
For example, like the one I mentioned before about your
leading gift is a concluding So they each correspond to
a number. And if you have highlighted numbers in that center,
it means you've got a gift of an emotional kind
and it just gives you a filter to process the

(01:14:18):
way you receive information. If you have the whole center
colored in. In human design, you have some centers that
are colored in that are called defined centers. That's where
you have a more fixed sense of personality in that space.
If they're open centers and left right, it means that
you're open to conditioning in that area. So me, for example,

(01:14:38):
I've got the emotional solar plexus defined colored in, which
means that I will be able to read something and
feel empathetic about it. But I'm not going to have
that same experience as you. I'm going to be able
to separate it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
You won't be ailing depressed for the next time.

Speaker 10 (01:14:55):
No, I won't feel it as if it's my own story.

Speaker 8 (01:14:57):
I'm just going to feel it as if well, that's
a really you know, sad story for somebody else.

Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
Wow, it's so fascinating, isn't it.

Speaker 10 (01:15:04):
Yeah, layers and layers of detail.

Speaker 8 (01:15:06):
And I've been so fortunate, as you know, this is
a very new concept and it does encourage people to
lead very much into mind, body, soul thinking, which is
quite different to tools like Myers Briggs. But I like
to think of that as a next generation of all
that kind of work, and because there are so many
different layers to it, the differentiation really does tell a

(01:15:26):
very personal story and like some of the more kind
of categorizing tools.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
Yes, but I have.

Speaker 10 (01:15:34):
Been introduced to Rod.

Speaker 8 (01:15:36):
Jury, who is the global tech powerhouse, and he is
a huge advocate of human design and has been so
supportive and is introducing me to lots of different people
to get human design out there into different networks and
introduced to all sorts of different people.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
To Is this something you think corporation should be adopting.

Speaker 8 (01:15:56):
Yeah, absolutely, because if you think about how well being
pol is now a very important part of the workplace.
It's almost like human design is a well being a
personalized wellbeing policy per person. So it's saying we see
you as an individual. We you know, it really speaks
to inclusiveness and diversity, saying we see that you are

(01:16:18):
uniquely you, authentically you, and we want to celebrate your
gifts and bring everyone up in the organization according to
who they've come here to be.

Speaker 10 (01:16:29):
Basically, well, I.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
Think it's fantastic and everything that you have said to
me absolutely genuinely runs true, and I can't wait to
look through my profile in a bit more detail. So
True North Wellbeing dot co and anyone can go and
work out what their profile is and work with you
on ways to best It's based on those principles basically, just.

Speaker 8 (01:16:49):
Live in the highest expression of yourself and just to
give you the tools to navigate life so that you
feel like you can confidently make the decisions that are
aligned for you and you know, avoid burnout and just
live a far more streamlined kind of purposeful life.

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So I used pat your quartersone and then if when
it got really bad is in twenty eighteen, I put
chlorine in the water here in christ Church and that's
when things just flipped for me. And I had the
biggest reaction to the chlorine where I couldn't even shower.
It was just burning my skin. And I went to
a local dorm here in christ Church and she put
me on a really, really long and intense protocol for steroids.

Speaker 12 (01:19:53):
So I was on both topical and oral and I
was on that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
For months and did it help.

Speaker 12 (01:20:00):
Oh my gosh, my skin looked incredible. It was like insane.
It was the most gorgeous my skin had ever looked.

Speaker 11 (01:20:07):
And then when I stopped the protocol, I was having
more regular fliers and I think they were steroid and
juice flears because I got a filter on the house which.

Speaker 12 (01:20:18):
Eliminated the chlorine issue.

Speaker 11 (01:20:20):
And then, yeah, I used them a bit more regularly,
probably a few times a week. Put a hydroquarterzone on
my face, and then alacon, which is one hundred times
stronger than the hydro quarter zone. I was using that
on little parts of my body. And then in about
twenty twenty, around COVID times, I noticed that my skin

(01:20:41):
was just getting worse and the steroids stopped working.

Speaker 2 (01:20:44):
And at that point, what did you do?

Speaker 12 (01:20:47):
At that point, I.

Speaker 11 (01:20:48):
Went to the doctors and they said, well, we need
to put you on stronger steroids. And I was like,
well that that didn't downright. I was like, because I
ended up back in this situation like wind does it?

Speaker 12 (01:21:00):
Then does that stop?

Speaker 11 (01:21:01):
And just through a whole heap of research myself, I
came across o catially took on a few profiles on Instagram,
and I was getting this thing called redskin syndrome, so
my skin would present normal color during the day, and
then all of a sudden, my whole face, like around
here was just red and it was for that thing.

Speaker 12 (01:21:19):
And I was like, it looks like some burnt by
which an office.

Speaker 11 (01:21:22):
I wasn't some burnt And then I was just so
much research. And next kind I came across someone and
she was she was sharing her journey on Instagram on
top all Cereid withdrill and talking about the redskin syndrome
and all the signs and there, and I was.

Speaker 12 (01:21:35):
Like, I felt like I was talking in the mirror.
I was like, this is exactly my possession. And my
skin was just weeping and oozing, and I was waking.

Speaker 11 (01:21:44):
Up duck and my pillow because my face was and yeah,
that's kind of Then I made the cause like I
need to stop these steroids, like they're not even helping.
And you know, I can need to go through the
withdrill from them.

Speaker 12 (01:21:57):
And here I am four and a half years laters
to going through it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
I just I just look at you, and I just
I can tell how desperate you are. I'm so sorry.
So what have you tried to help?

Speaker 11 (01:22:11):
I've tried literally everything under the sun. I've tried naturopathy.
I've done gut pests. I've done lots of gut healing.
I've done allergy and sensitivity testing. I've tried supplements.

Speaker 12 (01:22:23):
I've done different diets, creams.

Speaker 11 (01:22:27):
I've tried homeopathy, Chinese medicine, even I've done Acpunctuary even
brought a big led red light panel for home to
do light therapy. I even brought it for really smaller
to try help. But I mean, in this condition, I
can't really use it. I've tried immuno supprescens, but they

(01:22:49):
gave me awful side effects. I've done limp emphatic messages
to try help my lymph system. I've done hypnotherapy healing
and you've put it out, he's filter on the house.
Like I've literally tried everything like you name it, I've
most likely tried it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:09):
But there is a bit of a glimmer of hope, right,
So you've found somewhere you can go.

Speaker 11 (01:23:14):
Yes, So they the treatment center over seas in Thailand.
Unfortunately they don't do this treatment here. It's called cat
therapy and it's a plasma machine and they put it
on your skin and what it does is it reverses
skin thinning. So my skin's been so opened from using
the steroids and that really takes years and years to reverse.

(01:23:38):
So like I'm constantly going through the flairs, it's like
it's just still normal part of the cycle with theory withdrawal.
But this machine that they have, the treatment that they
do over the air, it thickens up your skin barrier
by increasing your skin piliferations.

Speaker 12 (01:23:53):
And stale turnover.

Speaker 11 (01:23:55):
So yeah, it's a really effective treatment for top or
serey withdrawal.

Speaker 12 (01:23:59):
And I've spoken to a number.

Speaker 11 (01:24:00):
Of people one key we actually who went about a
year and a half ago and had the treatment, and
I've all said it's changed their lives and they've got
their lives back from it.

Speaker 12 (01:24:09):
So it's something that, yeah, I want to give a crack.

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
How long does that take to sort it out?

Speaker 11 (01:24:16):
About five months to be over there for five around
five months, and I'll be getting weekly treatment.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
Can you describe what life has been like for you
the past four and a half years.

Speaker 12 (01:24:30):
It's been how it's been really uncomfortable.

Speaker 11 (01:24:35):
So usually before all this summer, very outgoing, bubbly, active person,
and I'm always on the go, and I've always you know,
I'm very happy naturally, and naturally I've always been a
happy person. I've been quite lucky in that regard. But
the past four years it's consumed my life condition because
I'm constantly flearing him like this. I kept in the moment,

(01:24:58):
I can barely lift my neck if you can see.
But I've got like gettle under there from the current fear.

Speaker 12 (01:25:06):
I'm actually coming out of fear at the moment.

Speaker 11 (01:25:07):
So this is the best stub blocked and about the
past through and a half weeks you can probably see
it like all in my arms.

Speaker 2 (01:25:13):
It looks so nasty, it really is.

Speaker 12 (01:25:17):
Yeah, it's hard to do daily paths. Yeah, and it's
just been uncomfortable.

Speaker 11 (01:25:20):
It's taken over my social life, like I you know,
amount of events I've missed out on weddings, birthdays and
just social things like I can't do a lot of
daily things like at the moment, I can't go to
the gym. I struggle to do things that involve bending
my fingers because I've got it all on my hands
and like bending my arms very uncomfortable. Yeah, it's frustrating

(01:25:45):
because I just want to wake up and have the
freedom to go about my day and do the things
I want to do.

Speaker 12 (01:25:50):
Like I'd love to get up and just go to
the gym and then get into work and you know,
just do what all the people do. Can't really do
that at the.

Speaker 6 (01:25:57):
Moment listening, Do we need a talk with Tony Street.

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
Of the process that you've gone through and all of
the remedies that you've been prescribed. What part of that
process has gone so wrong? Do you think I think.

Speaker 11 (01:26:12):
Just using the steroids, but I mean, growing up, I've
always been told.

Speaker 12 (01:26:18):
Just I think it's just Western medicine.

Speaker 11 (01:26:20):
But you know that with the it's that this is
the way I am, I'm born this way, there's nothing
I can do about it, and that these steroids will
fex you this is your answer. So that's always been
what's been planted in my head and what I kind
of knew to believe. And it wasn't actually until twenty nineteen.
I started a new job and I kind of have hey,

(01:26:43):
gut issues me everything too. And I was at my
desk and I was hunched over one day and one
of my colleagues came up to me and he's like,
big spot's wrong. Why you're hunched over? And I was like, oh,
just as there's just like regular for me, you know,
just always got a saw tummy. And he's like, now
that's not normal, and he's like, you need to go
to naturopath because I kind of explained, like he knew
I was having skinn issues and stuff too, and you

(01:27:04):
go see neatropaths and try and work out your sensitivities
and what you're reactive to and you know, do if
I'm gut here and the stuff. And I was like, Okay,
this sounds untruesting you. I'll give that a crack. So
I did that, and then that's when I started working
out my sensitivity. I did a bunch of allergy testing
and sensitivity testing, so I worked out my triggers and
environmental ones and everything.

Speaker 12 (01:27:26):
So I wish I had a home on that stuff.

Speaker 11 (01:27:28):
I many years ago before using the steroids, but I
just I just didn't. If anyone is in the position
where they are using steroids, I highly highly recommend trying
to work out your triggers as to why you're using
them in the first place. So for example, like if
it's in your diet, or you know your child's flearing,
are they having like the top five reactive foods like.

Speaker 12 (01:27:51):
Dairy, gluten, eggs, nuts, and soy they are like the
top five.

Speaker 11 (01:27:57):
So I would highly recommend trying to maybe avoid the
immagesity if you know it's the difference.

Speaker 12 (01:28:03):
And even something in your environment could be triggering you.

Speaker 11 (01:28:05):
So if you've got chlorine in the water, which is
a big thing that set me off and actually put
me in this big crappy situa on the land, if
you've got curing in the water, try getting a filter.
You know, anything else in the environment like dust, mice
or even pet dander.

Speaker 12 (01:28:23):
And all fur. Yeah, just try work out.

Speaker 11 (01:28:26):
Be your own investigator and try work out what's causing
the fleas, because you don't just flear.

Speaker 12 (01:28:31):
People don't just be x Smith there's always something behind it.
It could be stressed. Yeah, it could be you know those.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
Things I mentioned, And it seems really cruel because there
are a lot of people that use steroids and they
don't end up like you.

Speaker 12 (01:28:44):
Yes, I know, yeah, and you have no.

Speaker 2 (01:28:47):
Idea why you specifically and do you even know other
people that have got this in New Zealand?

Speaker 11 (01:28:52):
I do, actually, well, I've scribed because the girl that
recently went over to.

Speaker 12 (01:28:56):
Eat the treatment.

Speaker 11 (01:28:57):
But since coming out of my store, it is incredible
the amount of people that have a messaged me and
have commented and just said, oh my goodness. I have
had someone myself or someone close to me, like a child,
a family member or a friend go through their sex
same thing thing, and they're like, I can empathize with
you because I know exactly what you're going through and

(01:29:19):
it's been quite I just like support and just knowing
I'm not the only person that's been really nice to hear.
And then also I actually have an old flatmate and
he contacted me a few months ago and he's like, oh,
when he lived with me, actually he mentioned he was
using steroids.

Speaker 12 (01:29:37):
And I was like, oh, don't use them. Many like
get off them.

Speaker 11 (01:29:39):
If you can, like you know, you kind of sensitive too,
and then he was like, oh, I'll be fine. But
then recently he contacted me and he's like, I'm so
addicted to the steroids.

Speaker 12 (01:29:48):
I can't stop. And he's like, I can't go thirty
minutes without using them. And then my skin justly.

Speaker 2 (01:29:53):
Is Oh, he's.

Speaker 11 (01:29:55):
Putting off the withdrawal because he's seen me and he's
obviously pitting people line. You have come out about it,
and he's just dreading having to do the withdrawal.

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
So without this treatment, are you saying you'll be constantly
like this is that where you're heading.

Speaker 11 (01:30:10):
Everyone's different and the time frame depends on how much
you've used and the period of time, So I don't
know how long I'll be going through it for.

Speaker 12 (01:30:22):
Like usually it gets better.

Speaker 11 (01:30:26):
As you know, as time goes on, but the past
year and a half has been really tough. Like I've
had little bits of normality in between, but it just
hasn't lasted long and it's just constantly having the flares.

Speaker 12 (01:30:43):
And yeah, so.

Speaker 11 (01:30:44):
Going overseasing this treatment, it's beats it up by five times.

Speaker 12 (01:30:49):
So every treatment you have it will speed up.

Speaker 2 (01:30:54):
The process by five weeks wow, well, gosh, you just
do anything just desperate.

Speaker 11 (01:31:00):
At the stage, I'm like, it's taken over my life,
and I'm like, okay, it got to the point where like,
mentally I can handle quite a lot, but I'm like, mentally,
it's got to the point where I actually can't take
this anymore.

Speaker 12 (01:31:12):
Like I'm.

Speaker 11 (01:31:14):
I'm depressed and I'm not naturally like that, so I'm like,
I need to do something about it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
Yeah, and good on you for researching yourself. What makes
me a little bit angry is that you couldn't find
any answers here in New Zealand, Like who is there
to help?

Speaker 11 (01:31:28):
No one, There's no one, Like the doctors and the dooms.
They're just not educated on this stuff. Okam just tyle
doctors who are aware of it, and they're like oh yeah,
like they recognize it's a thing, but others don't. Like
last year, I went to the doom because I was
I was just juggling so much, I just could reely move.

(01:31:49):
I was waking up glue to my sheets and I
was like, I need a bit of assistance. And she
started googling the symptoms on they jewel.

Speaker 12 (01:31:58):
So she did it, though, but there's just no help
pretty here. Like you can go on.

Speaker 11 (01:32:02):
Immunosupresints, but it's suppress the symptoms. And the nice thing
is that that can eat into the withdraal period. But
they come with side effects and I tried that for
a few months and I got a bad side effects
made to come off them. So yeah, this treatment over
in Thailand, the cat treatment is.

Speaker 12 (01:32:20):
The most promising thing, and it's it's effective.

Speaker 11 (01:32:23):
It's not like I go over there, I pay all
this money and get the treatment and it's like it
could work. It's it will work, it will it will
put me in a better position. I might not be
one hundred percent, but even if I'm fifty percent better
than I am, and that's going to be a huge improvement.

Speaker 2 (01:32:43):
What sort of money are we talking to get it done.

Speaker 11 (01:32:46):
I'm looking at to do five months there for the treatment,
including accommodation and flights and visas. I'm looking at around
twenty five to thirty thousand dollars, so it's a lot
of money.

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
At this point, you're you do anything, right?

Speaker 12 (01:33:02):
I was, yeah, I'm like I just got my life back.

Speaker 11 (01:33:05):
And one of the things that's really like, I've followed
people's journeys over the years who have had the treatment,
and I've seen them before, I've seen them during, I've
seen them after, and all of them have just raved
about it and said, this is being life changing. And
I've seen the proof in the pudding. I've seen their
skin and i've seen you know, their condition improve. But
I looked after my niece over Christmas time on my

(01:33:26):
sister and brother in law had a wedding, and I
really want children. One day and I was looking after
we eat Make Forward. I was struggling like I was
on the FLEAR and I was just like the flear
was so minor compared to what I am at the moment.
But I was just like I realized I could not
have kids in this condition, like it would be so tough,
Like I struggle daily just on my own, and I

(01:33:48):
was like, I want children. So I was like, I
need to do something about this.

Speaker 12 (01:33:52):
And I was just like thinking, like do I go
to Chaila and do I just bite the.

Speaker 11 (01:33:57):
Bullet and just go over and you know, do this,
and like it seems dreams to go there for five months.
You know, I'm leaving my partner, I'm leaving my friends,
my family, but I.

Speaker 12 (01:34:06):
Just need to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:07):
You've got to think about your quality of life. And
at the moment, if you can't even leave the house,
then this, you know, it's your only option. Speaking of
your friends and family, how are they coping with this?
Because having to watch you go through this day and
day out must be terrible.

Speaker 12 (01:34:23):
Yeah, it's been. It's been tough on the end to witness.

Speaker 11 (01:34:28):
And the thing is, I just haven't been able to
do a lot, which is a hard thing.

Speaker 12 (01:34:32):
Like a very supportive.

Speaker 2 (01:34:35):
Enough.

Speaker 11 (01:34:35):
They've been able to help in terms of like helping
around the house with cleaning and like the lawns and
you know, different things, running errands for me, So that helped.
That definitely helped that they can. But yeah, they want
to see the end to this for me. So but
all hopeful and excited about the thought of me getting
the treatment getting big back. And I absolutely give you

(01:35:00):
too for sharing your story because it's not an easy
thing to do. And like you say, when you share
your story, you find there's actually other people and you
might be helping other people just even consider their steroid
use to make sure that it's the right thing for
them as well. Yes, definitely. Yeah, Well, when I was
like thinking about it. I was like, do I go
out there and do I hear my story? And I

(01:35:21):
was like, you know, it's pretty vulnerable sharing my face,
especially in the states that it's been in. And I
was just like, no, I'll share it. And I did it,
and I'm so glad I have because if it even
just helps one person not end up in my position,
then that's all. When I would hate to see anyone
else go for this.

Speaker 2 (01:35:40):
Yeah, I feel like anyone that listens to this is
going to go. You need to get to Thailand. Can
you just let us know how we can support you.

Speaker 11 (01:35:46):
So there's a give a little page up there, and
if anyone is in the position to donate or would
like to, then I would honestly massively appreciate any donation,
no matter how small. And I was going to say
a huge thank you to everyone who has donated to
make it a little like you are incredible, and yeah,
I see each and everyone that comes through and appreciate everything.

Speaker 2 (01:36:08):
Well, Becky, I'm not going to say if when you
go to Thailand, all the best and I'd love to
talk to you when you come back. Get that frame
month's done, and hopefully you'll be a much happier human.

Speaker 12 (01:36:20):
Yes, incredible.

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Speaker 7 (01:36:37):
Welcome So we need to talk Tony Street's Lifestyle and
Wellness podcast, Hello.

Speaker 2 (01:36:45):
And welcome to We need to talk. We all strive
to age as well as we can, to stay strong, healthy,
full of energy as the years go on. But what
are the habits that actually make the difference. There is
a whole lot of noise out there, people making suggestions,
and it's really hard to know what is the best
thing to do today. I'm joined by someone who has
spent her career helping us answer that question, Doctor Libby.

(01:37:06):
She's a nutritional biochemist and author, a wellness guru who
has guided thousands of women to better health. Recently, she's
been a shining light on something so many of us
actually overlook, and that is the importance of iron. And
that is in a new book and how a lack
of it is leaving women running on empty. At fifty one,
Libby herself looks and feels incredible. I can attest to that,

(01:37:27):
and I wanted to find out why. And as someone
that will be heading towards her fifty soon, I want
to know all her secrets. What are the daily choices,
what are the rituals, the mindset shifts that keep her thriving,
from food and movement to streets and sleep. Today we're
going to unpack the seven habits to age well and
how we can actually put them into practice. Libby, it's

(01:37:47):
so nice to have you here.

Speaker 9 (01:37:48):
Well, Tony. It is always a joy to see you.
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:37:51):
You've got such a great energy about you. Every time
I see you, you just exude a bit of a sparkle,
and I think that's what women chase, right, We want
to I have that sparkle, that sort of zist for life,
and I think that's what you have, and that's why
we all want to know how you get it.

Speaker 9 (01:38:07):
You're too generous.

Speaker 13 (01:38:09):
I do feel that inside my own cells, though I
feel it very much in my heart, and I think
a big part of that is I just feel so
fortunate that I get to have this turn on Earth,
so I don't Yes, there can be days that might
feel a little bit more challenging, or not even days,
but moments but I try to keep all of that
in perspective in and live with it. Sounds a bit
Hippi trippy, but I do live with a lot of

(01:38:30):
aree of how extraordinary it is to actually get to
be here.

Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
How many different parts play their part, and actually enjoying
life as you age. It's quite a puzzle, isn't it,
Because there are many many areas that we can work on,
and we're busy creatures, so it is hard to work
on everything. But do you have kind of areas that
you deliberately prioritize.

Speaker 13 (01:38:51):
So the three pillars of my work really come into
play here, Tony, So biochemistry, nutrition, and then emotions or
you could say mindset. So as far as biochemistry goes,
we can think about what's happening in our blood work,
so it might be a yearly blood test with your GP.
That's something I do just to find out where things
are at. And then of course with nutrition, it's not

(01:39:12):
very long ago we only ate food and the junk
is really infiltrated, so when we prioritize eating mostly whole
real food, it can make such a big difference.

Speaker 9 (01:39:22):
And I know that sounds so boring.

Speaker 13 (01:39:23):
It's really hard to make it sexy, but for example, vegetables,
we're told that we need five servings and vegetables per
day just for average basic health. That's not for kicking
out of the park awesome levels of health and energy,
or the prevention of things like dementia, which I'll touch
on in a second, because obviously that can be a
real concern for a lot of people with time. But
when less than ten percent of key we adults are

(01:39:45):
getting five serves of vegetables per day, and it's just
a really simple place to start. It doesn't have to
be health doesn't have to be this big overwhelming thing
that we feel is impossible. Just taking a step in
the direction of eating more of those veges make a
big difference. It's something that I've prioritized thanks to my
gorgeous mum who's eighty one. She taught me to do that.

(01:40:08):
But yeah, there's actually it's sort of common sense, I think, Tony.
But there's some really great research that's come out just
this year looking at the role of compounds in vegetables
that are incredibly protective for our brain against age related decline.
So it's not really something we think about in our
twenties or thirties, but we kind of need to. But
establishing those habits early on can make a really big

(01:40:30):
difference to what unfolds in our future.

Speaker 2 (01:40:32):
All vegetables created equal, or are there some that you
put above others?

Speaker 13 (01:40:36):
Green veggies absolutely, and the brassicas so they contain some
really unique compounds that foster all sorts of biochemical processes
inside of us. So when we don't consume those, or
we don't have enough of those, some of some really
important processes inside of us can actually slow down. So
it's kind of easy, I think, to just think about,
you know, throwing a few more of those on your plate.

Speaker 2 (01:40:58):
So you're putting vegetables heat of fruit, I am, yep,
so deliberately.

Speaker 9 (01:41:03):
So, yes, fruit is beautiful.

Speaker 13 (01:41:05):
No need I actually worry about younger people. I've had
younger people say to me, I'm too scared to eat
a banana because.

Speaker 9 (01:41:11):
Of the sugar. That's a big worry. It's the sugar
in the banana.

Speaker 13 (01:41:15):
It comes packaged with fiber, with antioxidants, with vitamins, with minerals,
and also some unique compounds that only is contained in
a banana or other pieces of fruit. But yes, fruit
does contain sugar. And that is something we can over consume.
So two pieces of fruit a day is terrific, and
obviously that would be almost the second pillar in aging

(01:41:36):
well is to really minimize those added sugars. We're told
that it's okay to have six teaspoons of added sugar
per day, but at the moment in New Zealand, we're
having thirty seven tea spoons.

Speaker 2 (01:41:46):
Oh it's outrageous. How many teaspoons a day would you have.

Speaker 9 (01:41:49):
Of added sugars?

Speaker 11 (01:41:51):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (01:41:51):
Probably not even one.

Speaker 2 (01:41:52):
I was gonna say, I bet you don't.

Speaker 13 (01:41:54):
I don't actually have a sweet tooth, though, which irritates
a lot of people. I think I will choose but
over anything sweet in a heartbeat. So it's just I'm not.
I don't purposefully avoid it. I just don't seek it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:08):
Don't you think, though, your sweet tooth gets worse the
more sugar you consume.

Speaker 9 (01:42:11):
Yes, it sugar be gets more sugar without doubt.

Speaker 13 (01:42:15):
And I think if we think back to I know
when I was growing up, the ultra processed food was
available at birthday parties. It was really expensive, so it
was considered almost like a treat. Yes, and that's a
big part of the problem. Now it's too cheap. It's
so easy to throw it in the groceries every week
and people are consuming it every day. And a phrase

(01:42:35):
I've used in my work for a long time, it
is what we do every day that impacts our health.

Speaker 9 (01:42:39):
It's not what we occasionally do.

Speaker 13 (01:42:40):
We don't need to go without some of these things
that we might love, but if we're having them every day,
it's too much.

Speaker 2 (01:42:46):
What does your food preparation look like on a daily basis,
so youse someone that makes you meals on a Sunday?
Do you do them in the morning? Do you prepare
ahead of time or do you just cook as you go?

Speaker 9 (01:42:57):
I cook as I go?

Speaker 13 (01:42:58):
Okay, but I know when I shop, I know roughly
what I'm going to be cooking for the week. And
I absolutely love food shopping. I can actually take a
really long time in the shops looking at new things
that might have developed. It's a really fun time in
I guess the nutrition and nutritious food kind of space.

(01:43:18):
So yeah, I do plan ahead in my mind, but
then if I don't really feel like that on the day,
I'll do something.

Speaker 2 (01:43:24):
You can that what would a typical day of eating?
Because I know people will be interested in this would
a typical day of eating look like for you.

Speaker 13 (01:43:30):
I want to preface what I say by I grew
up as someone who gave myself a lot of rules
to follow, and I realized in my twenties that that
was really fear.

Speaker 9 (01:43:43):
It wasn't coming from health.

Speaker 13 (01:43:44):
I thought it was health, but it was very much
the mask I wore to kind of hide my fear
about what eating certain things might do. So and I
feel like there's we kind of can't be that healthy
when we're frightened. So I actually there's a lot of
benefit for me personally in a bit more. I don't

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want to say relaxation, it's sort of flexibility. Flexibility perfect.

Speaker 3 (01:44:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:44:09):
I have in Real Food Chef, one of the cookbooks
I did many years ago now, I actually wrote the
term flexitarian.

Speaker 9 (01:44:16):
So I still maintain that.

Speaker 13 (01:44:18):
So when I answer what I eat each day, I'd
love people to keep in mind that when I share that,
it's not me saying this is how you need to eat.
It's what works for me, and I think there are
people when it comes I see our body. I call
it an earth suit, and I have immense reverence for it,
and I feel it is that it can be our
best friend if we allow it to be a communicates

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with us.

Speaker 9 (01:44:41):
It gives us feedback about our choices.

Speaker 13 (01:44:42):
And so when when I think about that, I have
this real care about what I.

Speaker 9 (01:44:49):
Put into it.

Speaker 13 (01:44:50):
But I like to think of it almost like standards
rather than as these rigid rules that I have to follow,
otherwise the world's going to fall apart. So if I've
mowed the lawn, I love beer at the but it's
not something I'm going to do on a daily basis,
or it probably not even a weekly basis.

Speaker 9 (01:45:05):
But that's so for me, that's just part of life.

Speaker 13 (01:45:09):
Yes, And it's gorgeous and it's so nourishing for my soul.
And I know there's lots of research about alcohol and
brain health, and I just feel that I just can't
vibe that that's doing me any in any way.

Speaker 2 (01:45:24):
So it's refreshing to hear, actually, because it's that part
of being a healthy and virate person is having a
good mind sitting and allowing yourself a bit of joy.

Speaker 9 (01:45:34):
Right, Yeah, that's right, and yeah it feels great.

Speaker 13 (01:45:37):
So to answer your question, I have a great big
glass of water when I get up in the morning
and lemon is probably my favorite flavor, so then I'll
actually squeeze a lemon and drink that juice.

Speaker 9 (01:45:47):
Love that.

Speaker 13 (01:45:48):
And then breakfast is usually I make my own gluten
free bread and I have eggs on that with a
big side of spinach and mushrooms.

Speaker 9 (01:45:55):
So that's usually the start of the day.

Speaker 13 (01:45:57):
I lather the toast in olive oil.

Speaker 9 (01:46:02):
Snacks don't feature.

Speaker 13 (01:46:03):
I don't get hungry mid morning lunch is a real
variety because I can be anywhere, so that could be
something in a cafe. But again I'll just choose pretty
much whole real food with some sort of protein and
some sort of vegetable. And then dinner is the same,
some sort of protein, some veggies. I love carbohydrates at night,
so potato, sweet potato, brown rice, normal white rice. That

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kind of stuff is always on my plate at night.
It helps me sleep better.

Speaker 2 (01:46:30):
Is there anything that is a complete no go for you?
Foods you just do not eat. I love the fact
that you have an occasional beer revelation today.

Speaker 13 (01:46:40):
What would be a no go? I don't see the
point in lollies. I used to actually joke with my team.
I understand why people go for chocolate of course, but lollies,
I can't wrap my head around what that's about because
it's just literally a handful of sugar, whereas there's a
bit more substance or texture to chocolate.

Speaker 9 (01:46:58):
But anyway, sollies just don't interest me.

Speaker 2 (01:47:01):
Lolly's is the thing. I'm more of a chocolate than
a lolly person myself too. I just want to go
back to you mentioned your mum and the fact that
you live quite close to your parents now as they're
entering into the eighties. That family connection and the ability
to be there and to help them does that come
into your happiness and your well being too.

Speaker 9 (01:47:23):
Yes, without doubt, Tony.

Speaker 13 (01:47:25):
They are really beautiful human beings and I feel so
fortunate with the way that they raised me. Understanding where
they came from. They blow my mind. They're very quiet people,
they live very very simply, and yes so too. It's
a privilege that I'm fifty one and still have two
parents on the planet.

Speaker 9 (01:47:44):
That blows my mind.

Speaker 13 (01:47:45):
It doesn't mean that it's not challenging at times, but
I'm very aware of the privilege of still having them around.
Even last week, my dad was telling me stories that
I hadn't heard before, and if we don't actually have
that one on one time, we missed those stories and
they might pass away without us ever knowing things about
their past or their perceptions and experiences in the world.

(01:48:08):
So it's a really lovely time in my life right
now to be able to be able to do that.

Speaker 9 (01:48:14):
So it's yeah, So family is really special.

Speaker 2 (01:48:18):
Your upbringing you say you had this great upbringing. Has
that influenced where you have gone with your work and
the career that you've ended up with it will have.

Speaker 13 (01:48:29):
It's I was someone who never was didn't seek ambition.
I didn't ever dream I'd do this or this or this.
My friends used to talk like that, and it was
just not my vibe.

Speaker 9 (01:48:41):
But I loved nutrition right from the get go.

Speaker 13 (01:48:43):
We we had a small backyard, but Dad grew quite
a lot of food, and so he would he really
was a farmer at heart, and so he would actually
plant wheat in the backyard every year, and he'd say
to me, I want to see what the crops out
west are doing, so based on the weather conditions and
the rainfall, and so I sort of learned about he'd
explained to me about how soil and weather impacts essentially

(01:49:07):
what we then get to eat. We grew citrus fruits
and strawberries and things in the backyard, so he would
it was just natural conversation, Oh yeah, it's got some vitamins,
saying it, you know, that'll help you not get a cold,
So that it was not constantly talked about, but it
would filter and in conversations. My grandmother she didn't live
in the same town as us, but she would come
to our town sometimes if she needed to see her doctor.

Speaker 9 (01:49:30):
And she didn't ever bring me chocolate.

Speaker 13 (01:49:33):
She brought me She would say, oh, I've brought you this,
and it was a pottle of yogurt and she'd say
to me, and the treat is you get to put
a teaspoon of honey in it. And I say to people, no,
wonder I turned out a bit weird because it was
so funny.

Speaker 9 (01:49:47):
How was my nanna?

Speaker 13 (01:49:49):
And she lived to be ninety six, living on her own,
good genes, on no medication, died in her sleep.

Speaker 9 (01:49:56):
So because I've witnessed that, I know you can die.

Speaker 13 (01:49:59):
Healthy, yes, And that is so when we talk about
aging and aging well, I very much have her in
my mind as to how she did that. And I
really love and value my independence, love connecting with others
as well. But really I always want to be able
to do things for myself. I always want to be
able to put on my own shoes. So when I

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think about how I take care of things now, it's
not just so I can put my shoes on today,
so I can still put my own shoes on when
I'm ninety.

Speaker 2 (01:50:30):
Now.

Speaker 7 (01:50:30):
Fact, we need to talk with Tony Street.

Speaker 2 (01:50:33):
So we've talked about that food element. What about the
movement or exercise element. Are you following this? You've got
to lift TV weights mantra when.

Speaker 13 (01:50:42):
You're over forty, so absolutely the benefit in it is immense.

Speaker 9 (01:50:49):
It's an area where I need to improve.

Speaker 13 (01:50:51):
It was something that I've done a lot of it
in my life, and I've let it go in the
last couple of years, right when I really we need
to not be letting it go. I've been prioritizing work
and my iron project, my mum and dad and my
personal relationships. I've been prioritizing that not lifting heavy things,

(01:51:12):
and I can feel the difference. So it's very much
what I want to return to. I love pilates, but
I'm very much a garden sort of human so I
like carrying twenty killer gram bags of mulch. I love
carrying twenty killer gram bags of chicken food. So I

(01:51:33):
like to do that sort of gardening work and lift
heavy things or by myself as also part of my movement.
But I think when to understand how important it is
to maintain robust energy as we age, strength and flexibility.

Speaker 9 (01:51:51):
They're the three pillars that I.

Speaker 13 (01:51:53):
Think about to make sure our earth suit is able
to stand the test of time on the planet. So energy, strength,
and flexibilit So what does it take to keep our
body able to do everything we want to be able
to do in life?

Speaker 2 (01:52:05):
So essentially you're saying, yes, the heavyweights, but you've got
the natural version. What do you said on the cardio
side of things?

Speaker 13 (01:52:12):
So, I mean it's incredibly important to have that kind
of conditioning. Because I grew up in the era I did,
there was a lot of over exercising because it was
that very much health was based on that calorie equation.
So I saw a lot of over exercising, and obviously
that can be as concerning for health as under exercising.

Speaker 9 (01:52:33):
Exercise is not my area of expertise.

Speaker 13 (01:52:35):
I've learnt things from other people who are experts in
that area, and their health and their physiology reflect their
dedication to looking after themselves, and that they are not
as big on cardio from I guess from the idea
of over exercising. So yeah, but the strength the lifting

(01:52:58):
the heavy items is incredibly important. Being able to do
what's called the seven primal movement patterns and I won't
remember them all, but bending, squatting, push, pull, gate, So
being able to do that for again, to think about
the idea that because we are in this time where
we're privileged to live for a lot longer than ever before,

(01:53:19):
but do we live too short and die too long?
So I know I want to spend a long time living.
I don't want to spend a long time dying. And
I think if we particularly look after nutrition and our
movement patterns, particularly our muscle mass, it can make a
big difference to how we age.

Speaker 2 (01:53:34):
What else are you considering to age well well?

Speaker 13 (01:53:36):
Time in nature is my reset, so I don't compromise
that I watch That sounds crazy, but I watch light change.

Speaker 9 (01:53:44):
So I watch the sun rise.

Speaker 13 (01:53:45):
I take pauses through the day and notice what the
light is doing. I watch the sun set even if
I have to open my laptop again and go back
to work your pores and do that very much. And
it's partly for a sense of appreciation. It's also we
don't get to be here without that extraordinary sun that
rises every day to give us everything that it gives us.

(01:54:05):
And yeah, so it's partly those pauses I think to
noticing the night sky is really profound. So when we
feel really anxious or our mood is really flat. Yes,
there can be bio chemical reasons for that, like iron deficiency,
which I've talked about a lot recently, but it can
also be that we're very focused almost on our insides

(01:54:29):
and when I think the night sky is a really
great reset, so it helps us to be almost confused,
but in mystical awe of how is that so vast?

Speaker 2 (01:54:40):
I understand that concept and I've only just thought about
this hearing from you. When you think about the sunrise
and the sun set, it's stunningly beautiful, and it feels
like it's beautiful for us to look at. So you're
probably onto something here. We meant to be watching it
in terms of our health, right.

Speaker 13 (01:54:57):
Yes see, I'm teary be saying that it is we're
missing at all with how we're.

Speaker 9 (01:55:01):
Living now, Yeah, we actually are.

Speaker 13 (01:55:04):
And there's a beautiful book called The Top Five Regrets
of the Dying by a beautiful lady called Bronnie Ware
and she was a palliative care nurse and when she
talks about this in our book in her book. Sorry,
but when you talk to people who are dying and
you ask them what they're going to miss the most
in the world, they tell you really ordinary things like
the night sky. And we have these things right now,

(01:55:27):
and I think when if we need to let ourselves
have what we have right now, because that's what joy
is all about, and it gives us an irreplaceable depth
of energy, and it also helps put things in perspective.
So it's of course, things like anxiety and low mood
are multifactorial, they have lots of drivers. But I think
it can really be very soothing for our soul to

(01:55:48):
notice way more what's happening around us, like sunlight and
the night sky.

Speaker 2 (01:55:52):
It's going to be a whole lot more people watching
the sunrise and sun sit now I'm looking up at
the skirt stars. I love it.

Speaker 9 (01:55:57):
It's a good thing.

Speaker 2 (01:55:58):
What about the sleep side of the is that part
of an important thing for you?

Speaker 13 (01:56:04):
Yes, that would be an understatement. So and I think
sleep is. Sleep is very important to me personally. It's
something I prioritize. It is I think too. It's a
basic foundation of our health. And when I've had patches
where I don't sleep well, I use it as feedback.
So I don't stress out about it. I don't think

(01:56:26):
or you know, am I going to fall asleep and
then wake up again at you know, midnight or whatever
whatever time I tend to be waking up.

Speaker 9 (01:56:33):
I don't stress about it.

Speaker 13 (01:56:34):
I just think, I wonder what this is trying to
communicate to me? What do I need to do differently
with how I eat or drink or move or think
or my breathing or what you know, almost beliefs and perceptions.
I also let filter into that kind of question. So
what is lousy sleep trying to ask me to do differently?

(01:56:54):
And so I try to solve it. And that's why
with anything to do with changes in our health, changes
in our face as we age, our face can tell
a story of our life with all the challenges we've
been through as well as all of our joy. And
I personally am here for that, because our pain or

(01:57:15):
challenges allow us to be who we are today as
well as all the good things. This is very personal
to me, but when with something like sleep, I want
to solve that rather than just mask it with something
that I take, because I won't necessarily get the insight
that it's trying to teach me.

Speaker 2 (01:57:30):
So that's again sounds a bit odd, but that's what
I understand it.

Speaker 13 (01:57:34):
Because I feel that sometimes the information will be there
in our daily life, but we're so busy we don't
hear it or notice it coming. I think there's this
incredible voice inside of us that's full of wisdom guiding us,
and it has our back. It knows when it is
time to go to bed, it knows when we need
to lift heavy weights.

Speaker 9 (01:57:54):
And I get that prod all.

Speaker 13 (01:57:55):
The time, and I'm not acting on it yet, but
this chat will prompt me tony. But yes, so sleep
is very important to me, and any new mothers listening
to this, don't hate me right now.

Speaker 9 (01:58:06):
I love eight to nine hours a night.

Speaker 2 (01:58:08):
I do love it. I would aim for that and
I'm someone that gets up super early from my radio show.
But I feel a little bit like you. I get
asked all the time, Oh, where do you find the energy?
And I think my sleep is a huge place, because
if you're not getting good sleep, you're not allowing yourself
to reset and restore, not just physically and mentally, but
also just that zest. And I will, I will put

(01:58:31):
myself to bed and go Nope, my eyes are falling
out of my head. I'm gonna nap now, or I'm
going to sleep now, because I just know, and also
purely from a vanity perspective, you just look strung out
if you don't have enough sleep. And look, there are
periods in your life when you have newborns that you
can't get as much. But I do think the older
you get, possibly even if you've got children, the more

(01:58:52):
time you can get for sleep. And yeah, it's and
then you get to the stage where you're like, I'm
not I'm going to prioritize it because I like it.

Speaker 9 (01:59:00):
I like being a bit it's really nice. And then
I like how I feel when I've had a good sleep.

Speaker 2 (01:59:05):
Yeah, absolutely absolutely, I totally appreciate that. Okay, so we've
gone food, exercise, sleep connection. We've talked about what else
can help us age well.

Speaker 13 (01:59:17):
Hydration Again, is another really boring topic. But we need
to make water our main drink because our body is
made up of or different tissues are made up of
different percentages of water, and nothing works properly inside of
us when we are dehydrated, and a lot of people
live chronically dehydrated. They live on caffeine and alcohol for example,
actually draw water out of our cells. So if you

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can imagine that the body is made up of fifty
trillion tiny little circles, and they're supposed to look like
a grape, but a lot of people's cells look more
like sultanas, so they're a bit shriveled, a little bit
dried out, so the water is not inside the cell.

Speaker 9 (01:59:52):
We want to make sure our cells are nice and
plump and.

Speaker 13 (01:59:55):
Well hydrated because that allows the little cities that exist
inside every cell of the body to do all of
the critical work they do. And our urine is our
blood having been filtered by our kidneys, so our kidneys
have to work ridiculously hard to try to filter the
blood to get the waste products out of our blood
when we're dehydrated, and over time that takes its toll

(02:00:15):
not just on kidney function, but on our skin and
on other interior processes. So yeah, hydration is another really
good key I think to think about.

Speaker 2 (02:00:24):
Do you drink coffee? Yes, you do, yes, so you
don't think it's terribly bad, But is it? Is there
a limit to what you think we should be drinking.

Speaker 13 (02:00:33):
I think we know in our own hearts the right
amount for us. We just oft and override it because
we love the taste of it, or we like the
break in our routine when we go and get a coffee.
So I definitely went when I wrote Rushing Woman Syndrome
in twenty eleven, which feels like five minutes.

Speaker 2 (02:00:49):
Ago, especially when I remember you putting that out and
reading it does feel like last year.

Speaker 9 (02:00:53):
It's fourteen years ago. What I don't it's crazy.

Speaker 13 (02:00:58):
So when I wrote that life was very different from
me and I could not drink coffee, it would wire
me into a really uncomfortable place. And we understand obviously
that caffeine leads the human body to produce adrenaline, and
adrenaline is one of the hormones behind anxious feelings, and
so there are definitely people who are naturally really chilled out.

(02:01:19):
They don't sweat the small stuff, and there are other
people who, because of all sorts of things, can already
feel very anxious, and caffeine can push them into a
very uncomfortable place. And I feel that that's not talked
about enough, not enough people understand that. So yeah, so
I'm at a point in my life where caffeine feels
really lovely. And so as far as the mounts go,

(02:01:42):
I think we know when we're having too much of it.
So our heart will race, it might upset our tummy,
it might disrupt your sleep. So just noticing those things
might be a little sign that there's too much.

Speaker 7 (02:01:55):
Find us on Instagram at we need to talk with
Tony Street.

Speaker 13 (02:01:59):
The conversation that we're having around aging right now.

Speaker 9 (02:02:02):
Is one of the gorgeous girls I work with.

Speaker 13 (02:02:04):
She actually raised She's only in her thirties, but she
raised it with me, how there's a trend right now
to not allow it to be seen in our faces,
and people need to do We're privileged if you like
to live at a time where we have access to
all sorts of things, and we need to do whatever
spins our tires and makes us feel good. And I

(02:02:26):
don't deny for a second that there are all sorts
of things we can do that are really lovely for
our self esteem.

Speaker 9 (02:02:32):
So I'm not putting that down for a second.

Speaker 13 (02:02:35):
I guess I want to challenge the idea that that's
necessary and to help more people be comfortable in their
own skin, whatever that is. So when we talk about aging, well,
it often involves focusing on things we need to change.
And I like the idea of accepting ourselves as we

(02:02:55):
are right now, while also recognizing, like I did, I
need to accept myself as I am right now. I
also recognize that it would be really beneficial for me
to lift heavy things. But that doesn't make me hate
myself or be mean to myself.

Speaker 2 (02:03:08):
It's lease of a person.

Speaker 3 (02:03:10):
No.

Speaker 13 (02:03:11):
And so when it might be a new line a
face on your face that you notice, I see that
and think I've obviously been, you know, doing a facial
expression that has.

Speaker 9 (02:03:24):
Pushed that, and I think, I wonder.

Speaker 13 (02:03:25):
What that's about, because that's new. So and again it
sounds like I spend a lot of time thinking about
this stuff.

Speaker 9 (02:03:32):
It's not. I'll just notice it.

Speaker 13 (02:03:33):
And then I've trained myself to be really curious about
what might have So what is what are the thought
patterns that are behind that new crease, and I've had
some of my biggest insights drop with learning from what
that's telling me, and so I don't want to change that.

Speaker 9 (02:03:52):
I like that.

Speaker 13 (02:03:53):
I like understanding more about myself, more about others, more
about the way I interact with others. The people pleaser
in me who wrote Rushing Woman's Syndrome, she's very much alive.
She runs my life less now, but she's very much
still there. And so often there'll be a new expression
and you know, I've been concentrating really hard, or I

(02:04:15):
did a lot of research to write Fix Iron first,
and I appreciate that that I was able to do that.
So sometimes, yeah, that's what I mean when that the
face tells a story. So I think part of this
idea of aging well is also accepting that things will
change and that's okay, but doing what we can to
die healthy rather than spending a long time dying.

Speaker 2 (02:04:36):
Yeah, I agree. It staggers me. Really, humans have advanced
in so many ways, and yet we are still in
a world that glorifies the physical image, aren't we And
it's staggering really to be ruled by what you look
like and how others are going to perceive that you
look like, and we're on this planet for such a

(02:04:56):
short period of time, and I think it's so it's
so sad. And look, I'm someone that likes to look nice.
They do. I like to put makeup on and I
like to get my hair done. But it doesn't define
me and it doesn't drive what I do every single day.
But I feel sorry for people. They've got themselves into
that state where it drives decisions they make, and it's

(02:05:17):
sort of prioritized over everything else.

Speaker 13 (02:05:20):
Yeah, and I think there's so much beauty when you
meet someone and they're really comfortable in their skin regardless
of their appearance. Yes, and you can see that and
you can feel that, and yes, So I guess I
want to encourage particularly younger women to consider that and
to be really curious about the beliefs they might hold
about themselves that lead them to pursue that. And again,

(02:05:44):
if you pursue that, great, no judgment at all, it's
you know, to support yourself.

Speaker 9 (02:05:49):
That can be a beautiful thing.

Speaker 13 (02:05:50):
I'm not denying that, but I like to be really
curious about the beliefs that drivers because beliefs and values
drive our choices. And when I say values, I don't
mean it preferences like kindness or generosity. I mean what
does your life actually demonstrate that you value? What do
you think about, What are you prepared to spend your
money on, what do you read about. They're essentially showing
us our values, and we look after what we care about,

(02:06:14):
whether that's the environment, our families, our physical body, and
so I think if we can help people, big part
of the work I try to do in the world
is to help people care more about their extraordinary body
because when it comes, when we have that real care
for it, it leads makes our choices come from a
really different place. It's not about oh I should do
this or I need to deprive myself of that. It's

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I'm doing this because I care so much about my
earth suit and appreciate life.

Speaker 9 (02:06:43):
It's all so very precious.

Speaker 2 (02:06:46):
I know lots of women that value the work that
you do. I'm one of them, always trying to know,
you know, what's the latest thing we can do to
help ourselves have a happier life. You must have come
across people that aren't looking after their health, and is
it hard for you to understand as someone that's such
a picture of health when you've got someone that is

(02:07:08):
at a loss to help themselves, and you know they
don't know where to start.

Speaker 13 (02:07:12):
Almost I feel like I do understand it, but it
breaks it really breaks my heart, because I worry about
how they see themselves and the beliefs they must have
about themselves. And that's where the work essentially needs to
be done. I could talk till I'm blue in the
face guiding and supporting someone to eat nutritiously, move regularly,

(02:07:34):
make water their main drink. You know, I think most
people know that that's probably the way to go. My
big curiosity for someone who might not be caring for
themselves is why why are you not doing that? And
it's always comes down to beliefs and values, and so
often the beliefs about ourselves are ingrained in us from
such a young age, so we beliefs are slippery too.

(02:07:57):
We know what we believe about things outside of ourself,
about that person or that political party, or the family
that lives in that house down the road, But when
it comes to beliefs about ourselves, we can't. We quite
often can't see them because they're tied up in our language.
So we see them our beliefs as the truth. And
so you might eat a whole type of ice cream

(02:08:17):
after dinner and tell yourself you're hopeless and pathetic and
that you have no will power. But then we don't
question that statement that we've made inside our own mind.

Speaker 2 (02:08:26):
That's that's packaged, it's done, you know.

Speaker 9 (02:08:28):
But it's a belief.

Speaker 13 (02:08:30):
And the belief that you're hopeless and pathetic and have
no will power has come from a judgment you passed
on yourself time and time and time again in the past.
That then leads you to almost justify continuing with those choices.
So I have a very deep compassion for and I've
worked with a lot of people who have beliefs that

(02:08:52):
are so inaccurate about themselves. And essentially where I'm guiding
them in any aspect of my work is if they
knew who they truly are, they would be in awe
of themselves. And I don't mean that with any in
any for you know, with to sort of support arrogance.

Speaker 9 (02:09:08):
So I don't mean that.

Speaker 13 (02:09:09):
It's just it's reverence to live with a little bit
more reverence for our body and our health and beliefs.
Changing beliefs can help us get there.

Speaker 2 (02:09:17):
So how do you maintain a good mindset as we age,
you know, isn't a matter of I mean, I spoke
to Gilbert and Oka, the All Blacks mental Skills coach,
and one of the things he encourages people to have
is a critical friend that they talk to. We all
should have to talk to about our concerns and our
worries and our goals. And I guess a corporate version

(02:09:39):
of that is this push to have professional corporate coaching.
And I guess the layperson's version of that might be
You've just got a really good friend that you talk
to about your worries. But the key theme is you're
actually not going in alone. And it was something kind
of grabbed me and I thought, I feel quite lucky
because I've got quite a nice tight circle around me.

(02:10:00):
Something that you would encourage.

Speaker 13 (02:10:01):
Too without doubt, Tony, and that person that you really trust,
whether it's a dear friend who has some wisdom or
some cheekiness or a different take on life, someone also
who's not frightened to with love and respect tell you
when you might be really way off kilter and you
need a bit of an uppercut. Those friends are incredibly valuable.

(02:10:23):
But then someone who you feel you can speak incredibly
freely with and.

Speaker 9 (02:10:27):
Not be judged.

Speaker 13 (02:10:28):
So it might be a friend, it might be a
counselor it might be a psychologist. I know as a
child I wrote in a journal to try to sort
of sort things out a bit, and so I think
some people do really well just writing very freely as
if no one's going to read it, and insight can
flow there too. But without doubt that those conversations can
make such a difference.

Speaker 2 (02:10:46):
Doctor Lobby, I've loved talking to you today. I feel
like it's been great getting an insight into what makes
you tick and some practical things as well. I might
have to look at the sunset tonight, I think as
much as I do, I do notice that. But being
intentional about that, I think it's a really cool practice.

Speaker 13 (02:11:03):
And I think for children as well, because it can
be we can all children as well, can spend way
too much time on screens and it's almost like life
is in there in.

Speaker 9 (02:11:12):
A bubble, and.

Speaker 13 (02:11:13):
Yeah, it's I feel like that takes us away from life,
and so teaching children that that's always available to embrace
or to appreciate, I think is a really lovely little
trick that would help a lot of children feel a
lot calmer on the inside.

Speaker 2 (02:11:30):
Just before we finish, can you remind us again about
this new book of yours and how it's being received.

Speaker 13 (02:11:35):
So yes, I wrote fix I on first, the one
thing that changes everything. It came out at the end
of May, and I have been so blown away with
the reception. We're in our third reprint, so yeah, it's
been beautifully received. It is the most common nutritional deficiency
in the world, particularly for women, teenage girls athletes, and
unfortunately a growing number of children. So it's more than

(02:11:57):
just the book, Tony, I'm on a real mission to globally.
So I think, you know, there might be children in
a family with really loving, attentive parents, and they might
not recognize the signs of iron deficiency. So I want
to educate them to address that. There are children who
come from really hard places who go to school without breakfast,
they're probably iron deficient. And then there are children in

(02:12:19):
developing countries who don't have access to iron rich food.
And there's a manifesto at the start of the book
that I want to elevate this conversation around iron deficiency
and bring it back to the top of the pile
because it affects childhood development, with IQ, with cognition, with attention,
And I know lots of teenage girls who they start
to menstruate, they go plant based with their eating, they

(02:12:40):
become iron deficient. The anxiety is huge, and I worry
that too many of them end up living with the
false belief that there's something wrong with them when it
might not for all, but for some of them it's
iron deficiency. I worry about women going through perimenopause who
don't have robust iron status and their resilience, the thyroid function,

(02:13:01):
all of it's compromised.

Speaker 9 (02:13:02):
So yeah, fix I on first.

Speaker 13 (02:13:04):
And my supplement, Iconic Iron, has been my It's my
big new project and I'm really really loving it.

Speaker 2 (02:13:09):
Fantastic. Hey, thank you so much for joining me today.
It's lovely as always, and I look forward to your
next project.

Speaker 9 (02:13:15):
Tony, your gorgeous. Thank you so much.

Speaker 7 (02:13:17):
Thanks for listening to We need to talk. Get in
contact with us on Instagram at we need to talk
with Tony Street or email we need to talk at Costonline,
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