September 6, 2024 • 8 mins
The Wallabies have been nothing short of poor for the past couple of years, however the public heat hasn't gone on them.
Our Australian Correspondent Dan Lonergan joined D’Arcy Waldegrave to discuss the apathy that’s set in for the 15-man code.
“Italy have gone ahead of us, Argentina have gone ahead of us, Ireland are one of the best in the world, and Australia used to be better than them, better than Wales, better than Scotland.”
“We are so far in the rear-view vision mirror of those teams.”
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine
from Newstalk ZB All.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Right, let's get to Oustralian correspondent Dan Lonigan. Now, Dan,
always good to check mate, welcome to the show. Nothing
more Australian right then, af ol. So that's where we'll start.
We very much getting to the pointed end of the season.
She's getting pretty tight.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Certainly is as great to be with you here. We're
into the first week ind of the finals and it's
been two one sided matches. So fine, you'd have to
say that probably for most of the pundits the favorite
scott beatn Thursday night Port Adelaide in greatful and they're
a very good at home in a wayside, which means
they play well in the regular season. They again dominated
(00:51):
the back end of the regular season, but their record
in finals and again they had the opportunity of a
home final and all I well, when I say all
I needed to do, it's easier said than done. You've
still got to go out and do it was to
win that home. They get another home final in two
weeks time of the week off it's womenary final and
they win that, they're into the Grand final. At the
(01:14):
MCG which the current coach Ken Hinckley's never achieved despite
often Darcy getting his team into the top four, which
is where you want to be at the end of
our home and away season, and it's happened four of
the last five years. And on Thursday night they came
up against the geelongside, me seeing one of the best players,
Tom Stewart, and were absolutely embarrassed and felted, humiliated all
(01:36):
those words by eighty four points. So they started okay,
but from quarter of time onwards they never looked like again.
A lot of pressure on them to perform. They've got
Hawthorne in a cutthroat semi final in Adelaide again this
week and the Hawks have been the great story of
this year. Normally, when you lose your first five games
of a home and away season, even though it's a
(01:57):
long season, as we also see in the NRL, it's
very hard to come back from that, I mean there's
no room for error. But Hawthorne since then he got
four games. They lost the Sydney in round six and
from then on they got on an absolute run. Two
narrow losses to Port Adelaide by one point at the
end and gwus by two points after leading all day
(02:18):
and one poor performance against Geelong and other than that
they've won on one Aasiland. They took on the Bulldogs
whose form has been pretty good, but look go magnificent.
Sam Mitch was a great coach. He leads well, he's
very good tactically, and the Bulldogs were no match for
Hawthorne who were too quick, too fast, too enthusiastic, and
they romped away. The Dogs are out again, another disappointing
(02:40):
exit when a lot was promised. They've got some talent
on the list, but they're our coached and so Hawthorne
are threw. And today we've got g WS and Sydney,
the battle of the Bridge of two Sydney teams. Sydney
you've got a good recent record in home and away
footy against GWS that have lost all three finals against them.
They finished on top. They formed later in the season
was not brilliant, but earlier in the season they set
(03:02):
the year up. And then tonight Carlton who've got an
opportunity to play in the finals when Freer lost their
last game two weeks ago. Get a lot of players back,
good players. Kerno Chera San Dockerty oven play since Round
one because of an injury. I wonder if they're a
bit underdone that Brisbane will be warm favorites. But as
I say, Darky, that means absolutely squad, it means nothing.
(03:24):
It's all about how you perform on the day and
cartment the best. We're second for the last part portion
of this season some chance, but I still would be
a bit surprised if they won, and I think Sydney
might just get GWS. And then again if GWS won,
that's what this sort of season has produced this year.
I wouldn't bat an eyelid, so it could go either way.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Dan again from Australia talking Oka Sports, So you guys
are pretty good at putting your hands on New Zealand
coaches when it comes to rugby. Hasn't really worked for
the Wallabies. They have managed to get over the line,
but no one cares.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Right, I don't think they care. I don't think they
care as much as they should those that are rusted
on quality supporters. You make a very good point to us.
It's just an observation I've made. Even having a look
at obviously all the websites and looking right across Australia.
There are those that would follow a clothes there are
those that would write on it and they talk about it,
(04:23):
but I think they're in the minority, fighting and losing
battle to sport. I mean, it's not just at the
elite level, it is at the development level. It's not
as popular as it once was. It is I think
a distant fourth in the football cards behind Ossie rules
in our particular order, rugby league depending which state you're in,
and of course the world game football. Even though we
(04:43):
need our national teams to be successful at both a
male and female level, and we know how disappointing the
Matildas were at the Olympic Games. That's the story for
another day. They really were very, very disappointing. I think
have been probably living on the success of the World
Cup last year, particularly how popular the World Cup was
in this country. But rugby union we're just struggling. The
(05:08):
disappointment of it is not really being looked into that much.
What ninth in the world Australia is ranked. They were
probably lucky to beat Argentina. It was good they had
to win. They lost their previous eight World Championship rugby matches.
Minister is a team that when I was growing up
in the eighties and nineties, I mean, they were the
probably the best team in the world, or if not
(05:29):
the best team, as good as your All Blacks Darky.
But we are that far away from those teams and
CT are certainly very close to us in regard to
being as good, if not better than Australia. Now Italy
have gone ahead of us, Argentina have gone ahead of US,
Ireland are one of the best in the world. In
Australia are better than them, better than Wales, better than Scotland.
(05:50):
But we're so far in the rearview vision mirror of
those teams I can't see in any particular time, certainly
in the next ten or twenty years, unless the development improves,
that Australia are ever going to be as good as
those teams. I think it just indicates that people aren't
playing the sport because Australia artist good at it and
(06:11):
those at the top haven't developed it. I think they've
kept it as a private school sport and they haven't
and it means that a lot of players have played
rugby union are getting better opportunities to play rugby league
for they're going across and playing that and that's what's
hitting the code of it.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
And Dan Lonagan, let's put a cherry out. Thanks for
your timing expertise. As Per, We've got a pretty excited
producer here. AT's do or die in the NRL. Is
there a chance that Wayne Bennett's the evergreen Wayne Bennett
gets a chance to maybe Rollinson out of our final series?
Or is a Newcastle going to tip the Dolphins up?
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Oh? Look, it's a throw of the dice. It's exactly
what the NRL wanted, it's what the AFL wanted. And
it's been the longest RL sea As we talk about
it being long in the AFL, what has been twenty
seven weeks in the NRL, with of course the start
of the season in Vegas right at the beginning of March,
which is a long long time ago. So look, I
think they can do it. I know that form has
(07:08):
been a bit up and down, probably more down than
up in the second half of the season. Again, like
last year, they started well and fell away badly. But
he's a bit of a genius, isn't he a lone?
I'm not sure how much coaching he does nowadays. I
think he's a figure ahead. I think that he might
coach all the coaches and just over see the whole program.
But he still loves it. He's still heavily involved in it,
(07:28):
and they've done a great job to be as reasonably
competitive as they have been. I think they can full
credit the newcasts will still being in the race, but look,
I'd love to see them make it again. It's good
to see a new team in. But who's going to
beat the Storm, Who's going to beat Penrith, Who's going
to beat the Recess? When Penri's going to bor in
a row and their injury because he had done well
to stay in the race, And as I mentioned last
(07:49):
week on the program to Jason, I mean, how good
is Craig Valamy in the Melbourne Storm. The only issue
with the Storm is they probably need to win a
few more flags considering all the time they finished at
top two or I think they're the three vests Caronal
are pretty good and of course there's still a few
matches there to decide top four. But to answer your question,
as usual, on a long window way, I think that
(08:10):
the Dolphins can get in. The Bulldogs will make it
through for the first time. In a while. It should
be a magnificent final series, which of course kicks off
next week.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
And I tell you what, Dan Lonigan, next year, it's
our year up the Wars. I'm sorry, I couldn't help myself.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Mate.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
You go well, enjoy your weekend.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Thank you, Darcy, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yeah no, thanks very much for joining us as you
correspondent to Dan Lonigan.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to news talks there'd be weekends from midday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine
from Newstalk ZB All.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Right, let's get to Oustralian correspondent Dan Lonigan. Now, Dan,
always good to check mate, welcome to the show. Nothing
more Australian right then, af ol. So that's where we'll start.
We very much getting to the pointed end of the season.
She's getting pretty tight.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Certainly is as great to be with you here. We're
into the first week ind of the finals and it's
been two one sided matches. So fine, you'd have to
say that probably for most of the pundits the favorite
scott beatn Thursday night Port Adelaide in greatful and they're
a very good at home in a wayside, which means
they play well in the regular season. They again dominated
(00:51):
the back end of the regular season, but their record
in finals and again they had the opportunity of a
home final and all I well, when I say all
I needed to do, it's easier said than done. You've
still got to go out and do it was to
win that home. They get another home final in two
weeks time of the week off it's womenary final and
they win that, they're into the Grand final. At the
(01:14):
MCG which the current coach Ken Hinckley's never achieved despite
often Darcy getting his team into the top four, which
is where you want to be at the end of
our home and away season, and it's happened four of
the last five years. And on Thursday night they came
up against the geelongside, me seeing one of the best players,
Tom Stewart, and were absolutely embarrassed and felted, humiliated all
(01:36):
those words by eighty four points. So they started okay,
but from quarter of time onwards they never looked like again.
A lot of pressure on them to perform. They've got
Hawthorne in a cutthroat semi final in Adelaide again this
week and the Hawks have been the great story of
this year. Normally, when you lose your first five games
of a home and away season, even though it's a
(01:57):
long season, as we also see in the NRL, it's
very hard to come back from that, I mean there's
no room for error. But Hawthorne since then he got
four games. They lost the Sydney in round six and
from then on they got on an absolute run. Two
narrow losses to Port Adelaide by one point at the
end and gwus by two points after leading all day
(02:18):
and one poor performance against Geelong and other than that
they've won on one Aasiland. They took on the Bulldogs
whose form has been pretty good, but look go magnificent.
Sam Mitch was a great coach. He leads well, he's
very good tactically, and the Bulldogs were no match for
Hawthorne who were too quick, too fast, too enthusiastic, and
they romped away. The Dogs are out again, another disappointing
(02:40):
exit when a lot was promised. They've got some talent
on the list, but they're our coached and so Hawthorne
are threw. And today we've got g WS and Sydney,
the battle of the Bridge of two Sydney teams. Sydney
you've got a good recent record in home and away
footy against GWS that have lost all three finals against them.
They finished on top. They formed later in the season
was not brilliant, but earlier in the season they set
(03:02):
the year up. And then tonight Carlton who've got an
opportunity to play in the finals when Freer lost their
last game two weeks ago. Get a lot of players back,
good players. Kerno Chera San Dockerty oven play since Round
one because of an injury. I wonder if they're a
bit underdone that Brisbane will be warm favorites. But as
I say, Darky, that means absolutely squad, it means nothing.
(03:24):
It's all about how you perform on the day and
cartment the best. We're second for the last part portion
of this season some chance, but I still would be
a bit surprised if they won, and I think Sydney
might just get GWS. And then again if GWS won,
that's what this sort of season has produced this year.
I wouldn't bat an eyelid, so it could go either way.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Dan again from Australia talking Oka Sports, So you guys
are pretty good at putting your hands on New Zealand
coaches when it comes to rugby. Hasn't really worked for
the Wallabies. They have managed to get over the line,
but no one cares.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Right, I don't think they care. I don't think they
care as much as they should those that are rusted
on quality supporters. You make a very good point to us.
It's just an observation I've made. Even having a look
at obviously all the websites and looking right across Australia.
There are those that would follow a clothes there are
those that would write on it and they talk about it,
(04:23):
but I think they're in the minority, fighting and losing
battle to sport. I mean, it's not just at the
elite level, it is at the development level. It's not
as popular as it once was. It is I think
a distant fourth in the football cards behind Ossie rules
in our particular order, rugby league depending which state you're in,
and of course the world game football. Even though we
(04:43):
need our national teams to be successful at both a
male and female level, and we know how disappointing the
Matildas were at the Olympic Games. That's the story for
another day. They really were very, very disappointing. I think
have been probably living on the success of the World
Cup last year, particularly how popular the World Cup was
in this country. But rugby union we're just struggling. The
(05:08):
disappointment of it is not really being looked into that much.
What ninth in the world Australia is ranked. They were
probably lucky to beat Argentina. It was good they had
to win. They lost their previous eight World Championship rugby matches.
Minister is a team that when I was growing up
in the eighties and nineties, I mean, they were the
probably the best team in the world, or if not
(05:29):
the best team, as good as your All Blacks Darky.
But we are that far away from those teams and
CT are certainly very close to us in regard to
being as good, if not better than Australia. Now Italy
have gone ahead of us, Argentina have gone ahead of US,
Ireland are one of the best in the world. In
Australia are better than them, better than Wales, better than Scotland.
(05:50):
But we're so far in the rearview vision mirror of
those teams I can't see in any particular time, certainly
in the next ten or twenty years, unless the development improves,
that Australia are ever going to be as good as
those teams. I think it just indicates that people aren't
playing the sport because Australia artist good at it and
(06:11):
those at the top haven't developed it. I think they've
kept it as a private school sport and they haven't
and it means that a lot of players have played
rugby union are getting better opportunities to play rugby league
for they're going across and playing that and that's what's
hitting the code of it.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
And Dan Lonagan, let's put a cherry out. Thanks for
your timing expertise. As Per, We've got a pretty excited
producer here. AT's do or die in the NRL. Is
there a chance that Wayne Bennett's the evergreen Wayne Bennett
gets a chance to maybe Rollinson out of our final series?
Or is a Newcastle going to tip the Dolphins up?
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Oh? Look, it's a throw of the dice. It's exactly
what the NRL wanted, it's what the AFL wanted. And
it's been the longest RL sea As we talk about
it being long in the AFL, what has been twenty
seven weeks in the NRL, with of course the start
of the season in Vegas right at the beginning of March,
which is a long long time ago. So look, I
think they can do it. I know that form has
(07:08):
been a bit up and down, probably more down than
up in the second half of the season. Again, like
last year, they started well and fell away badly. But
he's a bit of a genius, isn't he a lone?
I'm not sure how much coaching he does nowadays. I
think he's a figure ahead. I think that he might
coach all the coaches and just over see the whole program.
But he still loves it. He's still heavily involved in it,
(07:28):
and they've done a great job to be as reasonably
competitive as they have been. I think they can full
credit the newcasts will still being in the race, but look,
I'd love to see them make it again. It's good
to see a new team in. But who's going to
beat the Storm, Who's going to beat Penrith, Who's going
to beat the Recess? When Penri's going to bor in
a row and their injury because he had done well
to stay in the race, And as I mentioned last
(07:49):
week on the program to Jason, I mean, how good
is Craig Valamy in the Melbourne Storm. The only issue
with the Storm is they probably need to win a
few more flags considering all the time they finished at
top two or I think they're the three vests Caronal
are pretty good and of course there's still a few
matches there to decide top four. But to answer your question,
as usual, on a long window way, I think that
(08:10):
the Dolphins can get in. The Bulldogs will make it
through for the first time. In a while. It should
be a magnificent final series, which of course kicks off
next week.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
And I tell you what, Dan Lonigan, next year, it's
our year up the Wars. I'm sorry, I couldn't help myself.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Mate.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
You go well, enjoy your weekend.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Thank you, Darcy, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yeah no, thanks very much for joining us as you
correspondent to Dan Lonigan.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to news talks there'd be weekends from midday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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