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July 10, 2026 15 mins

Erin Rush has made history. 

Back in May, she was the first woman to elected as President at New Zealand Rugby – the first in the organisation’s 134-year history.  

She’s long been involved in the sport – a former Black Fern, commentator, and a volunteer at the grassroots level, as well as NZR’s first female vice-president. 

Rush told Piney having the role is a huge privilege, and they’re not ones she knew existed before she was asked to stand for vice-president a few years ago. 

But now that she’s here, her priorities for the next couple of years include continuing to elevate the voice for women and girls in the sport, which means making herself visible. 

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from Newstalk SEDB.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Next guest has made history. She represented New Zealand as
a Black Fern Captain. Wellington has continued to serve the
game in governments, a governance and as a citing commissioner,
and in May became the first woman ever elected President
of New Zealand Rugby in the organization's one hundred and
thirty four year history, a landmark appointment that reflects just

(00:33):
how much the game has evolved. She's now one of
the leading voices helping shape rugby's future in this country.
A pleasure to welcome New Zealand Rugby President Aaron Rush.
Thank you for making time for us. Aarin, how are you.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
I'm good, Piney, thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Great to have you here on a test match day.
There's a bit of a buzz about the city. I've
sort of been here for a couple of hours. I
know you've been well, you've been doing an open home
and your other job first of all, but is there
a bit of a buzz around the town.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
Definitely, just be drove in. I could see everybody was
spilling out of the cafes there was people walking here
with they're all blacks and blackfood merch and black jackets
and it's awesome. I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yeah, I love a Test match in any city really
and it's good to have Wellington's Stadium sold out tonight.
First female president of New Zealand Rugby. What did that
mean to you personally? When you I mean you've been
vice president? What does the role mean to you personally?

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Well, it's a huge privilege. But I have to say
I hadn't even heard of a vice president and president
of New Zealand Rugby before I was asked if I
would stand for a vice president first few years ago.
Was on anything part of my experience. I'd never seen
or noticed one before in my rugby playing career, which

(01:48):
was obviously a while ago. Now I don't recall anyone
official sort of like that has been part of out
of course that they were there no now, so I
had to sort of read up about it first, and
then it wasn't really until my husband said, look, he's
got all the almanac from all the you know, from
every year of tool from dot and you said, your

(02:10):
name's going to be here and in the very first page,
office holders and I was sort of like, oh my gosh,
this is quite a big deal. So yes, it was
amazing to firstly be nominated by Wellington and supported by
the wire Rapper Bush and one or two unions yet
to have two supporting unions as vice president and then

(02:31):
if you don't cock it up, then hopefully you get
through to president. So a two year appointment for both.
It was a very moving agm in May this year
because I got to I asked if I could bring
my mum and dad and my daughter and husband. My
son was done and Dneda couldn't come, but they were
there for when the votes were counted, and that took

(02:55):
an extraordinarily long time. And I'm not joking. It was like,
and we stopped. You have to wait, So first I
count the vice president votes because all the unions have
to vote, and so it's not a foregone conclusion at all,
and I think you have to have more than fifty
percent of the vote. And anyway, they came back out.
Ian Kirkpatrick was re elected as patron, then David Letter

(03:18):
became the vice president and then they just didn't come
back out for close to well I reckon forty five minutes. Wow,
and I was thinking, holy shit, I didn't get it,
and this is really really embarrassing, and because it's all
done in secret and you know that secret ballot, and
then I think the heat illegal came out and he

(03:41):
from when he's Rugby and he gave me sort of
like look, he said, they're recounting it, and honestly it
was I was starting to tremble, thinking this is awful.
And anyway, finally came out and I'd got there. And
I found out afterwards that Grahamurray told me he was
one of the screatiniers. Is that they somehow either they

(04:02):
counted the vice president twice by mistake and so it
was just some sort of administrative era. But that's why
they had to recount them all and make sure anything. God,
it was embarrassing they got there. So yes, it's very
really privileged to be the president. And it's just oh
my gosh, Pinanc just being part of this presidential role

(04:25):
for the last two years already just uncovering the work
that New Zealand Rugby does. It's so fast. They have
got we I should say, have got fingers and so
many pies. There's projects and programs and things that you
just don't hear about so much stuff goes on from
you know, special programs for coaching women to refereeing, to

(04:52):
contact ready, their whole new sort of program for getting
young women ready to play techle rugby for the first time.
That so there's all these things happening. Stuff over the overseas.
They are out, you know, obviously trying to get sponsorship
and investment, taking leadership courses as fast and teams in black.

(05:13):
That is huge.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Too, well, I mean it sounds like a massive role.
But in terms of nuts and balls. We had David
Kirk on the show last week and he's obviously chair
of the board. Do you sit on the board? Do
you attend board meetings? What's your role in that regard?

Speaker 3 (05:28):
I do attend the meetings, but I'm not a voting
board member. So I attend and if I'm asked for
an opinion or something, I very freely give it. But no,
I'm I don't vote. But yes it's I do get
to see all the papers and nearly all of them,
and so that's how I know more and more about

(05:51):
the work of the rugby Union. It's huge.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
So you're representing rugby every level as you say, from
five year olds playing their first game through to the
all blacks and the black ferns. So have you set
out any big priorities for the next couple of year.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
I want to keep elevating the voice for women and girls,
and that's naturally, that's I know that well and want
to want to do it better. I also want, unlike me,
perhaps you know, show that the president and vice president
role has got a purpose. And I had because when I,

(06:31):
as I say, and when I before I was nominally,
I didn't even know what it was. So I'm trying
to be really really visible. And that's it's an absolute joy.
It's honestly no targship at all. I just I just
go and take myself off to local matches, try and
watch lots of games. It's it's my favorite thing to
do anyway. So I'm there and if I can keep

(06:52):
you know, if I can help people with you know,
if they asked me, you know, who do I talk
to it at the union about this or whatever. I
try to put people in touch with the right people
I have got though I don't have any power people
though I've got no I can't make things happen, but
I can certainly pass messages. But I've had, you know,
random people ring me from a club somewhere I won't

(07:17):
mention who are having a dispute with their club or
they are really grumpy that their team got yet relegated
and can I step in and change Like, no, I
can't do that. Sorry if you talked to your own
union first and so forth. But yeah, I get it.
And then you know, hey, congratulations on the new role.

(07:39):
Where's my free tickets? So all of it.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah, And of course your own son is an elite
player Stanley Solomon, Gee, what an exciting player. How much
of a connection does that give you to the game? Still,
you were an elite player, obviously he is as well
your own family. Does that give you a unique connection
to the game? Still?

Speaker 3 (07:58):
I think it does because I'm I think I'm right there.
I'm the only one at the board table who has
he's got a player who is in the in the
in our mix right now and he was in the
under twenty New Zealand under twenties or by the way,
shout out to our under twenties team and management who
are playing France in the semi final of the World

(08:19):
Cup on Tuesday morning. That will be on Telly and
so I can see a little bit from that side,
from him and his team and his frustrations and his
you know, ambitions and so for these right in it
in his start of a super rugby career. So and
he was in the Lions and is in the Lions.
So yeah, it's awesome. He gives me not much, He

(08:41):
doesn't much say much to me, but I do, you know,
if I can find out a little bit about what's
happening from a player's perspective, which is cool.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
One of the big issues facing rugby, and David Kirk
spoke about this last week, is is the competition for
young players. They've got a lot of options, as you know,
you know, they can play league, they can play football, basketball,
all sorts of other sports. How does rugby continue to
make it so of the game that kids want to play?

Speaker 3 (09:09):
Well, you can stop by abusing the referees for a start,
starts and dads and all those people who are doing that,
because that's a really ugly place to be in the
middle of the field as a player to have have,
you know, sideline abuse. Anyway, So I know you've we've
talked a lot about that on the show you have already,

(09:31):
but to make make rugby fun again, I think it's
about just you know, letting letting kids have fun, really
and I know that I like the score being kept.
I think that that's important, but when it's the be
all and end all, it really stops kids staying in

(09:52):
any game. So I think if you, I know, the
safety issue as a concern for some parents and not
downplaying there at all, but I think when you see
the super players, you know, battling it out to whacking
and it's like combat and they get injured in particular
head injuries and you know kids rugby, it's really rare.

(10:16):
So it's it's it's perhaps educating that that's our community,
that that's actually not a likely occurrence and there's a
lot of good measures in place if something happens. The
other thing is is just perhaps getting getting back into
into our schools and our junior leagues. I mean at

(10:38):
my club here, Wellington Football Club, the junior and it's
not the only one. Our junior numbers have really dropped
off since I was the convener there when Stanley was playing.
You know, the teams have dropped off and you know
soon soon we won't have if that heat keeps going,
we won't just won't have a junior club at all.
And so it's like getting kids, keeping kids involved. One

(11:00):
of the big things Piney, I think that we could do,
and I already mentioned this at the Union, is parents's
first coaches. So I find because less and less people
are playing men, particularly you know, over the over the years,
then they don't become parents and coach the kids. So
we've got a gap. So even if we've got and

(11:21):
this has happened, I've just breaks my heart to see it.
I was seeing some Facebook posts that there were schools
who had heaps and heaps of schoolboy rugby players that
didn't have any coaches, that didn't have enough people to
coach them. And I think it's because parents are not
stepping up to coach because they feel they just don't

(11:41):
know how to do it. But you know what, ripper
rugby is as easy as putting two socks as my
husband solid used to do, and the in the back
of the pajamas and letting the kids run down the hallway,
and you know that's that's that's ripper rugby, And so
you don't need to be you know, Dave Rennie. You know,
so I think one of the things that I'm really

(12:03):
going to push is trying to get parents into coaching
and then when you know, they'll feel confident and take
the team forward.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
I love that you play for the Black Ferns at
a time when women's rugby looked very different than it
does today. So when you watch the Black Ferns, now,
what gives you the greatest sense of pride?

Speaker 3 (12:20):
Oh gosh, so much that they're so joyful. They're a
joyful team to watch, but they're also joyful to be around.
The culture is really happy, but so dedicated. You know. Yes,
we didn't have any professional women's rugby in my day.
So and they don't take it for granted. I know,

(12:41):
they know that this is special and they don't forget that,
you know, it's the legacy of all those people before them.
They've got them there. But they are really great to watch.
They're really skillful, there fast, and they are clearly you know,
up there at at the top level. They're incredible coaching systems.

(13:01):
And Whitney Hanson are the first women's women woman sorry
black fans coach and not before time, and she is awesome.
She's so deserved. She's the right person and I've got
an exciting you know schedule ahead of them this year
with the double header as amongst others in South Africa,
and then next year with the British and Irish Lions

(13:23):
inaugural tour ever to come to New Zealand. So there's
heaps of good you know, ten Test matches this year.
It's you know, when I played, they only they didn't
even have they didn't even have a Test match organized
or for some reason that couldn't afford it. I don't know.

(13:44):
In two thousand and three when I made my debut
it was for against a World fifteen because there was
no Test matches scheduled at all that year.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Well, I'm glad things have changed the way they have
and you're Wellington through and through of course, so special
to have the ald Blacks Henry Stadium this afternoon.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
Very special. You know Wellington has like earlier saying that
it's the hurricanes effect, and I think that's right. I
think it's re energized the public to have all three
Test matches sold out as amazing. Last week I was
walking to the stadium in christ Church with a chat
from Hospitality in New Zealand Rugby another role I didn't

(14:23):
know existed, but he's also in charge of ticketing and
he was looking live on his phone. He said he's
only two thousand left on Saturday last week for Wellington
and I think it's Yeah, the Hurricanes effect was very,
very real. It's really energized and excited at the public.
Our imagination has been caught, so people were like, yeah,
we want to see it. And then to have a

(14:44):
match last week which was so close, and but it
was exciting to watch. It was a really creative game though.
It was like I felt like Dave Rennie had told
them just play JPR, just play rugby. See played what's
in front of you, quick taps, unexpected. It was exciting.
So that is going. I hope we're going to see
that this week or tonight. You know, Italy, I'm not

(15:07):
easy beats. As you've said, they beat East England, so
it'll be of exciting game.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Yeah, let's hope it's more of the same as I mean,
the only thing we don't have here is a roof obviously,
so look the way they can be a bit indifferent
here in Wellington, as you and I both know. But
I think by the time kickoff arrives, hopefully that souther
level had dropped and we'll have a great game of rugby.
Erin congratulations again on your appointment. Sounds like you've got
your plate full in all parts of your life, so

(15:33):
I thank you for taking the time to ever chat
to us today.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
Thanks money.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Aaron Rush, the President of New Zealand Rugby, joining us
here at the Green Man as we build towards Test
number two for twenty twenty six, the All Blacks up against.
It's a lead ten past five this afternoon. We've got
a full commentary for you here on News Talk sad B.

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