Full Show Podcast: 05 July 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Pine
from Newstalks EDB. The Old Blacks season is set to
begin the mission in twenty twenty five. Dominate the French
arrive young, fearless and ready to shock the rugby world.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
France transcripe fast, the.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Old lags with power, precision and pride alas what I
try as.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
We get ready for the start of the international rugby season.
We are live from Emerson's Brewery in Dneda My.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
God, counting down to the Old Blacks first test of
twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Shot Sports.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
It's Weekend Sport with Jason Pine on your home of
Sport News Talks ed B.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
Here so that you're to get up thenoon. Welcome into
Weekend Sport on News Talks EDBU four Saturday July five,
Taste Match Saturday, first one of the year. The show
coming to you from Test City, Dunedin and specifically from
the iconic Emerson's Craft Brewery. As we build towards Raz's
first assignment for twenty twenty five Test one of three

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against the touring French, or at least a version of
the French rugby side. I'm Jason Pinehow producer Andy McDonnell.
We're here until three as we build towards our first
opportunity to see the All Blacks in action this year.
Brilliant to be here at Emerson's Pub on the occasion
of their ninth anniversary. The brewery itself has been in
operation for thirty three years, founded by Richard Emerson in

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nineteen ninety two. Emerson's Pub, though itself opened on the
fourth of July twenty sixteen, nine years ago yesterday, it's
become a Dunedin institution, providing a vibrant atmosphere outdoor beer garden,
although that might not be that fully populated today given
the weather. Delicious craft bear a menu that caters for
all tastes. It is indeed the go to spot before

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and after test matches and big rugby games at Forsyth
far Stadium, which is just six hundred meters up the
road from where we're broadcasting today. Already a good lunchtime crowded,
and that'll only build as the afternoon goes on. Unsurprisingly,
there's a big All Blacks focus on the show today
and a big Southern focus as well. Southern Rugby Royalty

(02:28):
to lead us off shortly, Otago Highlanders and All Blacks
legend Jeff Wilson standing by to chat with us. Former
All Blacks lot Tom Donnelly is also with us. Andrew
Whare is going to pop in for a chat. Former
All Blacks Captain Tane Randall a little bit later on,
and plenty of time for you to give us your
thoughts on what might play out tonight. What are you expecting,
who will you be watching closest, and what do you

(02:51):
need to see happen tonight to be happy satisfied with
the launch of the All Blacks Test season against a
very green lablur other matters around today the Junior to
All Blacks, what a story making history. At the feb
Under nineteen Basketball World Cup, they're into the semifinals for
the first time ever in this age bracket. They beat

(03:11):
the hosts Switzerland and the quarters this morning eighty four
seventy then now play the United States in the semis
tomorrow morning. Head coach Matt Lacy with us just after two.
The twenty twenty five edition of cycling's Tour de France
starts tonight in Leale. Kiwei Sambuley, the director of Sport
for the Israel Premier Tech team. He's going to join
us after one to give us his expectations ahead of

(03:32):
Stage one. One of our elites para athletes, three time
Paralympic champion Anna Grimaldi, is on the show. She's one
of six New Zealanders competing at the latest Diamond League
event in Eugene. That's tomorrow morning. And speaking of Paralympians,
Duaneedin based Paris skier Adam Hall going to pop into
Emerson's this afternoon. He's been selected to compete at his
sixth Winter Paralympics, the first Kiwi ever to reach that milestone.

(03:57):
Adam Peacock joins us as usual to update us on
the big sporting stories out of Australia and a few
other guests here at Emerson's this afternoon as well. Don't
forget we have full live coverage off tonight's Test match
and every Test in twenty twenty five here on News
Talks heedb Our build up from fullsyth Bar Stadium starts
at six o'clock tonight kick off just after seven. Our
rugby editor and lead commentator Elliott Smith has the call

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with former All Black Paul Miller alongside, but a live
Sport while we're on the air this afternoon Rugby doubleheader
and Fang today the Black Ferns taking on the Black
Ferns fifteen from five past one, will keep eyes on
that for you, followed by the moli All Blacks against Scotland.
We would invite you to join the show if you
would like to, we'd warmly encourage you to do so.
Our eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is our free

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phone number ninety two ninety two for your text messages,
emails into Jason at newstalkshedb dot co dot nz. And
if you're in the need and please feel free to
stop into Emerson's and say hi and give us your
thoughts ahead of the game tonight. We're pretty easy to
find coming and we're on your left there. We're probably
the only ones in the place with microphones on our tables.

(05:02):
Mostly it's pints of Emerson's beer and some lovely food.
We're here until three o'clock. It's just coming up twelve
minutes past midday.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
When it's down to the line. You made a call
on Weekend Sport with Jason Pine News Talks EVY so.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
First All Blacks Test of the Year to neat and
tonight from five past seven All Blacks v. France. The
last time the two met this happened.

Speaker 5 (05:25):
Jordan has to take the tackle, he's hold up at
the teck.

Speaker 6 (05:28):
Let's put the need to get the nasty ground well,
pry swallow them up, head.

Speaker 7 (05:34):
Up the ets weyond goes.

Speaker 8 (05:35):
Out for France.

Speaker 6 (05:38):
Beyond go out patas seven for time and France doing
again over the All Blacks by one point.

Speaker 9 (05:49):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
Indeed, in fact, France have beaten the All Blacks the
last three times the two have met. You'd have to
be a fairly optimistic sort of a French supporter to
expect them to make that four tonight with a very green,
inexperienced team. But you never know, and you never know
when it comes to France. Let's bring in seventy one
Game sixty Test forty four try All Black Otago and

(06:10):
Highlander's legiend and now Skysport commentator and analyst Jeff Wilson Goaldie.
Thanks for joining us, mate. Let's talk some selection. First
of all, what do you make of Rico Yuanne shift
back to starting on the wing for the first time
in a Test match since twenty twenty one?

Speaker 9 (06:26):
Oh appear and simply I think it comes down to
wanting to give Billy Procter an opportunity in the All
Black jersey to see if he can transport some of
that transfers some of that great form from last year
and this year's Super Rugby campaign when he came back
from injury, whether that transfers into the All Black jersey.
And I think even if you look at the form
of some of our wingers in Caleb Park, wasn't overly strong.

(06:47):
You'd have to say for the Blues in Super Rugby,
Ricco Juwanni's experience on the wing is incredibly valuable. So
I think give us some versatility and Ricarster covering center.
They don't need to carry someone necessarily on the benchmin
to pire more specialist second five.

Speaker 8 (07:04):
I think an all round.

Speaker 9 (07:06):
Selection for me that helps the team move forward. In
terms of knowing more about Billy Procter.

Speaker 4 (07:12):
How different does Santa do you perceive Billy Proctor to
be compared to Rico Yuani?

Speaker 9 (07:17):
Oh, look, there's a real there's a different skill set there.

Speaker 10 (07:21):
You know.

Speaker 9 (07:21):
Rico's certainly a different size. He carries and runs a
lot more direct lines. Billy Proctor. You see him. He's very,
very good on his feet. He likes to stay alive
with the ball. He doesn't mind trying to offload and
look for players around him, whereas Rico has been a
lot more of a player who's quite often sort of
tried to punch through holes, with Proctor as a player

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who tries to play and run into space and particularly
doesn't mind trying to take an outside break, which I
really really like because with Jordi Barrett and at twelve
we've got someone who can take the direct lines. I
think Proctor as well is defensively a little bit different
because he doesn't rely on his speed that Rico Yuani does.
He's got great acceleration, whereas Procter, he's a player that

(08:08):
makes good reads, good decisions, get the angles really really
smartly executed. For me, that's where propt as advantages.

Speaker 4 (08:15):
I think the biggest surprise for most people was two
poor Vay starting on the blind side flank. Why do
you think they've gone that way?

Speaker 10 (08:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (08:24):
I think you know, size against the big teams, against
the spring Box, against France, against Ireland, England, those teams
the top sides in the world. Clearly, it's an area
you want to make sure you can match size to size,
and what you do get with the athleticism of Tuba
Bay is exactly that the ability for him to play
on the side of the scrum, and that's only one

(08:46):
small aspect of the game. There are less scrums as
we've seen in the game now, so I think from
that perspective, you know, the number on the back's probably
less important than the fact of making sure you've got
three really strong line out options. And he's certainly quick
enough on the ground, but also as an athlete, he's
certainly quite a bit bigger than our six is that

(09:07):
we've had floating around over the last few years. He's
probably more in the mold of a Shannon Brazil that
sort of size. Probably not as powerful in terms of
the tackles that Brazil was, but in terms of an
all round game, Tupo has been outstanding. So I'm interested
to see how this plays out. What I love about
it it gives an opportunity for Fabian Holland to straight

(09:30):
away just carry on from what he did in Super Raking,
which was used as big engine, rather than having it
come off the bench as an impact player, have it
as a guy who's getting to start and can play
some deep minutes.

Speaker 4 (09:41):
What sort of messaging do you think the All Blacks
coaches gave to Summer Penny female, who I think we
all thought would be in the six jumper.

Speaker 8 (09:49):
Yeah, look, I think he was closed up this year.

Speaker 9 (09:52):
I think you know, they had such a competitive group
in the loose forwards for the Chiefs, where he started
at the back end to show some signs, but the
same token. You know, he was guilty in a quarterfinal
of giving away a number of penalties. So for him,
it's about accuracies and making sure that he's being impactful
in the game, a consistency, consistently across the time he's

(10:12):
on the park. I like this because he's not having
to worry about maybe sixty seventy minutes. He'll probably, provided
there's no injuries, he'll get a twenty minute window maybe
to go out there and just literally go for it.
Just put back to back efforts in not just every
so often, just back to back efforts in terms of
whether it's carrying or tackling. So I think this is

(10:33):
a nice option for me. This is us looking at
something different, and for me, that's probably the most important thing.
Is that if we rolled out with a similar feel
and lookers last year it was almost like we're not
prepared to go in a different direction. This team looks
as though we're going in a slightly different direction.

Speaker 4 (10:48):
On that then, Jeff, do you think there would have
been a temptation to give to multi tubatub and II
a tea stable off the bench on his home ground.

Speaker 8 (10:56):
Yeah, I think there would have been that.

Speaker 9 (10:57):
But in saying that, I think experience still does count
for a lot, and you can't argue with quinter Pire's
form and I think they'd like the light for like
in terms of the twelve Jersey, and I think Tavia
TAMANAUI as powerful as he is, he's certainly probably not
as direct a runner as he's certainly different and I
would like to think he's going to get his opportunity.

(11:18):
So yeah, it would have been great, right, It would
have been a great story, you know, for all three
Islanders to have played together in this first Test. But
they've gone in a slightly different direction and I think
it's understandable from my perspective. The other side of it, too,
is is that you know Jordy Barrett has that ability
to play at fullback and whether or not he's actually
the backup fullback will be very interesting, you know, whether
or not they see it as Damie McKinsey or they

(11:39):
want to focus in on as a ten.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
I'm interested in.

Speaker 9 (11:42):
How all it might play out during the course of this,
not just this Test match, but this series.

Speaker 4 (11:47):
We know that all blakes are never perfect in the
first test of a year, So what will you need
to see tonight? What will most New Zealand rugby fans
need to see tonight to be satisfied with the first
outing of the year.

Speaker 9 (11:59):
It's really interesting because we've often said that because we've
had a few performances, but quite often we've come up
against really good teams come here with a purpose. Was
this French team's purpose? It's been giving young guys an
opportunity that have chosen to not select some vasty experienced
players for a variety of reasons. So with that in mind,
and given when I look at our side on paper

(12:19):
and with the amount of experience it has in this group,
it is this a couple of new players in there,
and Christian Leo Willie it's a big, big opportunity for him,
yes to his moving but I think this group understands
the responsibility it has to get off to a really
strong start season because the quicker they get momentum going
in through the year, the better served we will be

(12:40):
as we start going towards the Rugby Championship. And let's
be honest, that challenge that is at Africa, that's on
the horizon is something we have to be ready for.
So I think tonight, I think this is a really
important statement making opportunity, the fact that given everything that
we've got and what were up against in terms of
a real lack of experience, even though it's France, my

(13:00):
expectations should be that we have a actually have a
really good and convincing one and if.

Speaker 4 (13:05):
We'd just zoom out a bit to thine, what do
you think the big goals will be for Scott Robertson
in year two of his coaching tenure and in year
two of this World Cup cycle?

Speaker 9 (13:17):
To me, it would be to start to control the
big moments Layton games, because we had a number of
test matches which went both ways last year where we
managed to find ways to win, but then the games
that went against us. There were some big moments in
the last twenty minutes we just didn't own, you know,
and to me it's you know, your sea side. That's
when you know, great sides are starting to evolve, that

(13:40):
they're getting better every week and when they're faced with
the challenge in the most difficult parts of the game,
they find our solution. And so that ability to adapt,
that ability to recognize what it is that whether it
be the referee, the nature of the game, whatever, it
might take. Having that adaptability to find the big moments
which will win. And a lot of that comes down
to dealing with the opposition in front of us. So

(14:02):
got to learn fast and I think that's one of
the reasons I think that've gone with the balance to
both bear it for this fight, where with all of
his vast experience, a lot of that rests with him
around Okay, how do we manage our way through this
game when it is on the line. That's what I'm
looking for. I'm sure that's exactly what they're focusing on
as well.

Speaker 4 (14:19):
Week on week being better, fascinating, year ahead, intriguing start
to it tonight. Enjoy being back in Dunedin.

Speaker 9 (14:25):
You must, oh, absolutely every city's got a unique biber
around you know, it's Test weekend, you know, and the
first one of the year. I think it's a perfect
place to start. It's nice to have a roof over it.
We know it hasn't been a great week in terms
of weather, so at least we're guaranteed to be on
a great surface so that both teams and France as
well can go out and they can play the quality

(14:47):
of rugby they want.

Speaker 8 (14:47):
To do it this level.

Speaker 4 (14:48):
Top man, Goldie, always good to chat. Thanks for taking
the time, mate, No problems all enjoy you enjoy two Goldie.
Jeff Wilson joining us there on the day of the
first Test match of the year and the city that
he made his name for the Otago side, for the
Highlanders and for the All Blacks twelve. It is your
chance now to give us some thoughts. Andrew Horgan who

(15:10):
join us in the next little while, but before he
does that, let's get some thoughts from you on this O.
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is our number in
terms of the result. We're going to win this game.
I don't think there's any doubt about that we're going
to win this game of rugby, regardless of what you
say about the French being dangerous and the fact they've
got depth and all that sort of thing. They are

(15:32):
basically a B team, you know. There have been varying
opinions thrown out on the breakdown, actually by one of
Jeff Wilson's colleagues at Sky, Justin Marshall, who basically said
it was disrespectful what's happened here that the French have
sent over very much a second string side. All Blacks
can't do anything about that. They've got no control over

(15:54):
the side that the French send out here. All they
can do is look after themselves. The All Blacks are
never perfect in the first test of any year. There's
always a little bit of time it takes for them
to find cohesion, to find combinations, especially with new players
coming in four debutants tonight. It's some interesting positional switches

(16:17):
with Tupor Vai going to the blind site probably the
most eye catching. Rico Yuani out to the wing, Ardi
Savia to number seven look for Yuanni and for save At.
These aren't new positions and Tooblvak's played a little bit
of six for the Chiefs and for White Cutu as well.
H Taradaki, I should know which province he's from anyway,

(16:37):
He's played a bit of six, but there is always
a deep determination from the All Blacks to start the
new year on a positive cohesive note. Now Fabian Holland's
and I was told yesterday that it is pronounced Fabian Holland.
That's the way he likes it, although he does answer
to Fabian as well. What a story this is the

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young man who grew up in the Netherlands and came
to New Zealand to chase his rugby dream, who looked
down to the bottom of the world and thought, if
I'm going to make something of myself in a rugby sense,
then that is where I need to be. Down in
New Zealand and out he came as a teenager, did
some schooling over here, landed in Otago, made a debut

(17:22):
for the Otago in pc side the Highlanders. He caught
their eye as well, and he became a Highlander. And
this afternoon or this evening under the roof in Duneda
and he will becoming All Black. What a story this
is for Fabian Holland, and you look at what he
might bring to this team in the future. And a
text here from Bruce says exactly this party. Although we

(17:43):
need to see the all Blacks win, my main focus
is going to be on the Type five, especially at
lineout time and scrum time with Scott Barrett and the
new boy Fabian Holland the engine room. He's a monster, Holland,
and exactly what we need to get on top of
the box in the future. Thanks Bruce. That is one
thing that is absolutely in Fabian Holland's favor is the

(18:05):
size of the man. He is absolutely enormous. Now that
in itself isn't enough. You still have to have the
work rate and the technical skills and the ability to
use that physicality in the right way. But it seems
to me that this bloke has got all the makings
of someone who could play a lot of test matches
for New Zealand. I like the fact they've given him

(18:26):
a day boot tonight. I think a lot of people
thought that he might make his introduction off the bench.
A lot of people thought he might not even get
a game tonight. With Scott Barrett and Tupaul Vai in
the second row Patrick Turp, a lot perhaps favored to
back them up off the bench, but instead it is
Holland alongside Scott Barrett tonight. That's going to be a
terrific feature of tonight's game. Christian Leo Willie also debuts

(18:49):
in the starting side. Of course, he wasn't even in
the original thirty three, only called in as injury cover
for Luke Jacobson, and here he is with a Test
day boot tonight and off the bench. Duplusi Kalithi and
Olie Norris will also at some stage this evening win
their first caps for New Zealand as well. So very
special eighte hundred and eighty, ten eighty and just on

(19:10):
Dunedan on Test weekend, obviously, Test rugby is played in
a number of cities around New Zealand, Auckland, Hamilton, Wellington,
christ Church, Dunedin, occasionally places like Nelson and New Plymouth.
The thing about Dunedin on Test weekend is that you
know there is a test on when you are in

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Dunedin on Test weekend, and that isn't always the case
around the country. There are some centers where when there's
a test on it can be swallowed up and everything
else that's going on. And you think of the biggest cities,
Auckland is a great example. Yes, there are all Blacks
test matches that happen in Auckland. And yes, you know
that there's a test match going on because it becomes

(19:51):
the focus of it later on. But from the moment
I arrived in Dunedin yesterday morning, you are absolutely no
doubt that there is a big occasion coming under the
roof at Forsyth Bar Stadium tonight. They do it so
well here. It is helped by the fact that the
city is compared act and sort of sent it around
the octagon and out towards Emerson's where we are, and

(20:12):
then I'm down towards the stadium as well, so you
get a real buzz from the compact nature. But every
Uber driver, every taxi driver that I've had the pleasure
of being transported by in the last couple of days,
has been very keen to talk about it. And they
are acutely aware here in Dunedan that there is a
new stadium being built up the road in christ Church

(20:34):
and they wonder what that might mean for their hosting
of future test matches. Well, I'm going to tell you
right now, I feel as though, particularly at this time
of the year, that if you're going to have test
matches in New Zealands. One of them should be here
in Dunedin under the roof, another one in christ Church

(20:55):
under the roof when that becomes available in twenty twenty six.
For me, it's a no brainer to have test matches
in July in New Zealand under the roof in Dunedin.
And this might be controversy, she'll coming from a Wellingtonian.
But if you're going to take test matches of anybody,
you shouldn't be taking them off Dunedin. You should be
taking them off Wellington. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten

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as we build towards the first test of the year
tonight in Doneda, and we're coming to you from the
iconic Emerson's Brewery. God it's good here. I have to say, man,
I've got to finish at three and then prepare to
be part of our build up tonight. You could easily
settle in here. You could easily settle in as I
few have. Whether they're settling into the afternoon's a different story.

(21:59):
They might just be having a couple of settlers and
getting themselves ready. There's a bit of a sort of
a hum going on here at Emerson's, which I apolutely love.
I've had a bit of blowback on my suggestion that
test matches should be taken away from Wellington, and the
point has been made, and it's a good one that

(22:20):
accommodation options in the Dunedin area are perhaps limited compared
to some of the bigger places. But having said that,
I mean this place is the've sold the test out tonight,
so everybody must be staying somewhere. Everybody must be somewhere. Hello, Henry,
how are you?

Speaker 3 (22:39):
Hey?

Speaker 8 (22:39):
Jesson's mate.

Speaker 11 (22:42):
Tonight is it'll be good. I just want to see
aloys you guys have good games, because then you know
you can say, oh, yeah, sold you should have been
picked and you know they've done well.

Speaker 8 (22:50):
It's you know, I just want it mean to have
could doesn't.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
Meet it where they thrash them.

Speaker 10 (22:54):
But if those new.

Speaker 8 (22:55):
Guys who have good games, it will be like all
these you know, the future all Blacks.

Speaker 4 (23:00):
Oh, Henry, I totally agree. I'm always always interested to
see how new guys go and as you say, right
throughout super right be. One of our favorite pastimes is
talking about guys who we think should be at your
Blacks for the first time. And you've probably heard me
bang on and on about two plus ethy, but I'm
so looking forward to seeing how he goes tonight. Fab
and Holland's being talked about for a while, Christian Leo
Willie and Olin Norris less so I think. But yeah,

(23:23):
I mean, I just it's always fascinating to see whether
they grow into the jersey or whether the jersey becomes
in some way a bit of a burden on you
know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
Yeah, Yeah, that's all I'm going.

Speaker 12 (23:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (23:33):
I just wanted to, like, you really have a good game,
get a.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
Grip, love it and just care no do good Yep.

Speaker 4 (23:40):
I totally agree, Henry. Good on you mate, appreciate your calling.
In oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
our number.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
Good a Phil, Yeah, goney are well, I'm.

Speaker 4 (23:49):
An Emerson's Brewery and Dunedin, Phil, so have a guess
how I'm going Pretty well?

Speaker 13 (23:54):
Yes, yes I would be too. Yet, like you say,
not a bad place to be, nice little harmon, a
good place to probably said or work.

Speaker 4 (24:01):
It would be if I was able to tell, I'm
gonna have to get to the game at some stage,
but it's a it's a nice, nice place to spend
a few hours this afternoon, mate.

Speaker 13 (24:09):
Yes, yes, it would be, like you say, good soaking
up the vibe, you know, the people coming and yeah,
good atmosphere.

Speaker 8 (24:16):
Indeed, I think it's going to better.

Speaker 13 (24:19):
You know where everybody's saying about the sprintch team, how
this b side and where you should put a whole
heap of points on them and that? And you know,
does the marcall shunt it? Disrespectful them?

Speaker 9 (24:32):
There?

Speaker 13 (24:32):
What they've done bringing these players but across instead of
some of their big guns and their A players and that.
But I don't know, I'm not so sure. You know,
I wouldn't be surprised if I mean, I think we've
got a great all black team, and I really like
the selections, but I just I'm a bit more cautious

(24:52):
and a bit more weary, even though they may be
be players as have been called. I was listening during
the week and there were some good points made in
various talk about shows about how they're still there'll still
be good players, you know. It's not like they'll be
has been in hacks at descending over and they'll be
wanting to impress themselves because they'll be looking to the
World Cup themselves, you know, and their coaches have got

(25:17):
a few coaches have come over with them, and I'm
kind of suspecting or wondering if those coaches are coming
over selves. They've sent quarter more than usual amount of
coaches to really put an eye on these young French
fellers and see how they go, you know. And that's
why I think they'll be one and thinking about their
World Cup, mixing up some new young players in there

(25:40):
with the already A players that they have.

Speaker 4 (25:43):
So I think also, Phil, Yeah, I think also for
these guys. For these players, absolutely nothing to lose, right
they nobody expects them, nobody expects them to win. They've
been given an opportunity. If I'm a if I'm a
young French player who's been handed the chance to play
against the Mighty or Blacks in New Zealand. Then I'm

(26:04):
grabbing that opportunity with both hands. I just I think
what will happen is that experience will show and the
disparity between the two sides will at the end of
the eighty minutes tonight, and I think next week in
Wellington and in Hamilton will show. But yeah, but I
think you're possibly right. These aren't going to be seventy
eighty point thrashings. I wouldn't have thought, because there will

(26:27):
be a certain amount of pride in these French players
to take the opportunity that's been handed to them.

Speaker 13 (26:32):
Yes, yeah, I believe so, like we might beat them,
you know, reasonably, convincingly or you know, but I still
think that it won't be a walkover. I don't think
And yeah, I think the Yeah, like I said, these
young players I'll be wanting to impress their coaches to
get a spot in the will in the Rugby World
Cup for France. But I see, I tell you it's

(26:56):
going to be interesting too. Like I think Artie's at
number seven, So he's at number seven, isn't he so
good to see him go there? I mean, I know
you can play number eight as well, and he's just
as good at numb eight. But I do believe he's
in number seven. And it's going to be interesting to
see the fellow out on the wing going from was
he center and to put him in the wing. I'm

(27:17):
glad to see Propers getting to go because last, yeah,
last Super twelve. This year, he was fantastic and I
was always wanting him to be in the selection and that, yeah,
and the Fabia how do you say his name?

Speaker 4 (27:33):
Fabia told Fabian Fabian Holland.

Speaker 13 (27:36):
Yeah, and Fabian Holland, and yeah, what a great story.
You can you could make a movie of that, like
the South African World Cup where they made Brad Pitton
made a movie. You can make them his story and
what a monster. I seen him on the news last
night and he was walking. He was in his house
and he was as high as the door frame. He
actually had to duck to go through the door frame.
And that's when it really struck home to me. You

(27:56):
know just how big he is because when I seen
him on the with some of the other all blacks
and they talk about how big is and you know
he's big, but some of the other all black that
he's standing beside, aren't that much shorter? Like last night
on the news. I thought it was one of the
pops my knew or or maybe wrong, but he was
standing beside another all black and I thought, gee, don't
look that much shorter, and he I think he's.

Speaker 4 (28:19):
A prop but with you, But yeah, Phil, I've got
to move. I've got a couple of calls to get
to you, mate, But yeah, he's a big unit. He's
a very big man and that helps a lot. Two
point oh four meters I'm told by my on air
researchers here at Emerson's two point oh four meters, but yeah,
but massive and and from what I understand as well,

(28:40):
deeply committed. Tom donnelly actually gave him an otago debut,
the former All Black lock himself, Tom Donnelly going to
try and get him on the air actually this afternoon
and just get his early recollections of a young Fabigan
Holland felt great to Jed has always mate, Pete Hentay.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
Yeah, I'm hoping that the actually the French feat they
all blacks and I don't don't really want you, but
I want to treat raised a little bit of respect.
Towards his players that have been playing the Secret travel
on that for the through through the season. Damie McKenzie
once again being dumped in Paris. I say, and he's

(29:19):
a better kicker than Body. You might think I'm wrong.
And and Jodie just walks in, puts on his shirt.
Where's the respect for the guys that have played in
the Secret Trawler? And you might have heard of below
us on on on the on the rat he's got
a bit of a name, and she wants the all,
but she wants the French to win as well, because

(29:41):
he's still got his cander research on razor he wants.
I feel sorry for Dannie McKenzie's once again.

Speaker 4 (29:47):
Embarrassed, embarrassed on a bone, embarrass on a crusader though,
is he Pete? You know Bode and parents not a
There's no red and black there, you know he's he
look I over AND's got their favorites. I think Body
outplayed Damien in the in the back end of the season.
I think they walked kind of. They gave Damien the
keys to the car last year, gave him a lot
of opportunities there in the ten Jersey, and then pivoted

(30:10):
back to Boden at the back end of the year. Yeah,
I don't mind the selection. I don't think there's any
disrespect towards the French from from Razor, I know what
you're saying and that you'd prefer to see other players there.
And from all accounts, Jeordie Barrett was lighting it up
over an island and has come back refreshed, so I'm
looking forward to seeing him tonight. But all opinions welcome, mate,

(30:31):
Let's have a chat tomorrow if in fact the All
Blacks do lose the game, or even if they win,
always be happy to take your call.

Speaker 11 (30:37):
Well, hi, hey, planning a great show, rich the points
and some a touch I made it include you know,
the European side sending over the weekend versions of the
national side, and they've done it to us a number
of times, and well it's frustrating process fans. I guess
his advantages and disadvantages for both sides to see that.

(31:00):
So I mean, I just I couldn't ever never imagine
a New Zealand Rugby being sent unders drink to a
Test match. You know, that's just not in our nature.
But for these these s French sides, and I think
the Scotts have done it, Ticcee, England certainly done it
TuS as well. Isn't an opportunity to blood new talent
and it also gives us a chance to sort of

(31:22):
get a safe gain scenario to blood our new talent
as well.

Speaker 4 (31:26):
So yeah, well it's such a yeah, well it's such
a good point, you mate, because I kind of see it.
It's not necessarily a free hit, but it is. Yet
this isn't the All Blacks against South Africa, or against
Ireland or against Australia. You're right, and it's I guess
the difficult balance for Razor to strike is that for us,
these are our first test matches of the year and

(31:47):
you always want to start as you mean to go on.
They always say you just can't hand out all Blacks jerseys.
But maybe, mate, I mean the fact that he is
able to mix and match. Give Farbing and Holland a
starting debut, you know, change, give give to Paul that
a go at blindside. Look, if it doesn't work, you
fail quickly and you move back to Locke. But yeah,
but it is. It must be difficult to to, you know,

(32:08):
to go up against a team that you know you
should on any given day put thirty on, you know,
in terms of a winning margin comfortably.

Speaker 11 (32:17):
And if you're a young French player today, this is
a moment for you, right, this is going to really
submit this experience and you're you're always going to have
this experience to lean on in your in tough times
in your career head. So it's a wonderful thing for
them as well. The other point you made made that
I wanted to touch on is other than Wellington. And
while we you know, we live up in the coast,

(32:38):
it's a bit war more up here. We're still own
a pup in Kwori. We're not going into that game
because it's so cold. And I remember this match we however,
I think it was in Ireland years and years ago.
It was so freezing. I just I just couldn't enjoy it.
It wasn't a fun environment. And walking back you saw
everybody just miserable and cold, and they interviewed poor Briano

(33:00):
just go last of the game and he was he
was shivering, his whole body was just frozen. I just
remember thinking, I never want to turn back to a
one to test that montin.

Speaker 10 (33:10):
Season.

Speaker 11 (33:10):
I'm so staked. The talk back season again.

Speaker 4 (33:13):
Yeah good, yeah, great detence to you mate, thanks for
calling and I really appreciate your analysis and your kind words.

Speaker 7 (33:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (33:19):
Look for me, just play the play the tests in
July under roofs. It makes sense. Look, you know it
doesn't mean Wellington can't have a Test match and I
know it doesn't get much warmer really once you get
into August. But you know the July Tests are usually
a visit from a northern Hemisphere side, all right, like
in France, like England last year, like Ireland in twenty

(33:42):
twenty two. If you're going to be playing test rugby
in July, play it under a roof and soon we're
going to have two options for that, Dunedin and christ Church.
So two of the tests in July, if there are two,
they should be in those two places. If there are three,
then your farm, the other one out somewhere else. But
for me, Dunedan shouldn't suffer from the arrival of christ

(34:03):
Church's new stadium. Dunedan should still host test matches every year,
and at this time of the year every year. Oh
eight hundred and eighty, ten eighty and number seventeen away
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Speaker 1 (34:17):
You be the TMO have your say on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty Weekends Sport with Jason Paine and GJ. Garvnerholmes,
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Speaker 4 (34:27):
There'd be thirteen away from one as we come to
your life from Emerson's Brewery and Pub in danneed head
of the first Test of the year tonight about six
hundred meters down the road at Forsyth's Bar Stadium. Let's
bring in fifteen test former All Blacks locked Tom Donnelly.
Fourteen of those fifteen tests were All Blacks wins. He
was a stalwart for Otago and the Highlanders, also played

(34:48):
some Super rug before the Crusaders and the Blues had
time in France, and then moved into coaching with Otago
and the Highlanders and now the Western Force. He was
the Otago head coach who gave both Fabi and Holland
and Christian Leo Willie their provincial debuts. Tonight, they'll both
make their All Blacks debuts here in Dunedin. Thanks for
joining us, Tom. Let's start with Fabian. Can you tell

(35:08):
us about his arrival at Otago? Excuse me and what
you've seen from him since.

Speaker 14 (35:15):
Yeah, hello anstruction there mate. Yeah, Big Fabian came to
a training when he was still at school in Christious
Boys with Cam McIntyre's agent. Obviously he'd have a look
around and just as CS, size is probably the first
thing that catched you back. He's a big man and
anyone knows you can't coach size, and but his attitude

(35:37):
and as characters, what's on through what's it about an
hour sub media? As an absolute champion of a person
and his dedication to trying to one be a great
and he also had a massive rodin has been to.

Speaker 4 (35:51):
See you talk about not being able to coach size
and that's so right, But you must have seen big
men who haven't kicked on in the way that that
Fabian has. So what is the best use of size
as a as an elite rugby player and especially a lock.

Speaker 14 (36:08):
It's your work ethic as well and your hand eye coordination.
He had a lot of joys to be quite cumsy.
His dedications has catch passed as little soft skills was
enormous made him was what's made as as a treat players.
He's just dedicated to everything he does.

Speaker 4 (36:26):
And well, from what you're saying you always felt like
he had he headed at him to push on. Do
you feel like he's got a high ceiling? He'll debut
for the All Blacks to Night? Could he be a
long term All Black?

Speaker 12 (36:39):
Oh?

Speaker 14 (36:39):
I love I think the balls and has Crawdy has
definitely got the ability and the attitude to do it
made It would just be hopefully he's die and relax
and go out there and.

Speaker 10 (36:48):
Do his job and hopefully you're having a joyban night.

Speaker 4 (36:50):
And Christian Leo Willie, what are your early memories of him?

Speaker 14 (36:54):
Yeah, Mayber going down and watching this credit club rugby
who was phenomenally powerful. Quite hard to track down for
a start, because I don't know how much of the
story's been told. But he sort of told his mother that.

Speaker 10 (37:05):
He wouldn't play when he went to the Need and
his studies and so he was under the radar for
a week bit there.

Speaker 14 (37:12):
But just a phenomenal athlete like Paul and hands stuff
was phenomenal cover up.

Speaker 4 (37:17):
So he went into Need and what to study. Dentistries
supposedly said to his mum, I'm not going to play
any rugby down there. I'll concentrate on my studies. Plays
rugby gets spotted by you and then all of a
sudden he's in the Otago setup.

Speaker 14 (37:31):
Yeah, well, lucky enough. I'm not supposing he's actually finished
his industry the green now as well. We're then allowed
him to kick a bit more into his footage. But yeah,
that's sort of the background of story.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
He was initially named his injury cover for this All
Black squad, of course, but here he is starting tonight.
So what would you be expecting to see from him
on test Dayboo.

Speaker 14 (37:50):
You'll see named him what he's seen through all year
with the Crusaders held capable, strong, and his work great
will be phenomenal. He's got great aerial skills, so I
wouldn't be surprised to see him in the line out. Yeah,
he'll be fantastic. So he's got a great opportunity for him.

Speaker 4 (38:05):
And as far as the All Blacks are concerned, it's
against a French side that we all know has been
has been talked about as being under strength. What do
you want to see from the All Blacks tonight? Tom,
That would I guess, as an All Blacks fan like
the rest of us, make you think that things are
going to be okay in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 14 (38:23):
Uh yeah, I think they'll be fine. I've obviously worked
pretty hard, but a cohesion we'll be putt of the
hardest thing. Roland haven't played together, so you might see
a little bit of less of that time. But obviously
there's your natural be as long as I've got there
even use time.

Speaker 4 (38:39):
And yet sometime playing in France yourself. Of course, the side,
as I say, looks under strength and inexperience. But might
they present a threat across these three test matches?

Speaker 14 (38:49):
Oh yeah, very very dangerous, an undervalued or rated French
team and I've got nothing to play for us when
they played on their disbuddy sometimes So even though they
say they're under strength and as put, what they've done
just finished the Premier competition.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
But the guys, I think you'll.

Speaker 10 (39:08):
Still be excellent by and just to finish.

Speaker 4 (39:10):
When you do see Fabian and Christian run out tonight,
does that give you a tinge of pride? You know
the part that you played in their development?

Speaker 11 (39:19):
Oh one?

Speaker 14 (39:20):
I like the whole part of us as coaches is
watching young men development tore great people and great players,
and to see them move on to be selected for
the All Blacks and Internationals. Yeah, of course made the
sights and your kids really beshn really well.

Speaker 4 (39:36):
Wonderful insight. Tom, Thanks so much for joining us on
match day. We look forward to seeing how Fabian and
Christian go tonight. Really appreciate you taking the time for
a chat.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
Laura pol might enjoy it, well.

Speaker 4 (39:46):
Enjoy it indeed, Thanks indeed, Tom, Tom Donnelly, their former
All Blacks Locke and moved into coaching and gave both
Fabian Holland and Christian Leo Willie their Otago deboos, and
tonight here in Dunedin they will make their Test day
boos together. The first time I read this week since
twenty twelve that two Otago players will feature in a

(40:09):
starting fifteen for the All Blacks. That seems crazy. It's
been thirteen years since two Otago players will feature in
the same All Blacks starting fifteen. But here we are,
and it'll happen tonight at forsythe Bar Stadium in Dunedin
thirteen No, just seven minutes away from one. We're back
after this on Newstalks EDB.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
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Speaker 4 (40:39):
MB four to one as we build towards kickoff tonight
just after seven o'clock at four sized bar Stadium, all
Blacks against France. We're coming to your life from Emerson's
Brewery in Duneeda, which is starting to fill up. We're
going to shift our attention after one to the Tour
de France. Sam Buley, who is a sporting director of
one of the teams, the Israel Premier Tech Team, is
going to join us. Final couple of texts though, regarding

(41:02):
where test matches should be played in the month of July,
Joseph's bang on Jason the light test need to be
under a roof every year come Championship games. The outdoor
stadia with games in August and September more suitable as
it's getting closer to spring. But Peter's given us the
contrary view, and it's a good one as well. Peter
says one of the great things about rugby is being
played in a wide variety of weather conditions. Under the

(41:24):
roof can be a bit sterile. Yep, good point, well
made Sam. Purely after one o'clock.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Isab Union.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Had a new era of All.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
Blacks rugby is underway.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
Counting down to the All Blacks First Test of twenty
twenty five. It's Weekend Scored with Jason Pine live from
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Speaker 4 (42:02):
EDB one eight on News Talks EDB. This is weekid Sport.
If I could have written a script for where I
would be at this time on the day of the
First Test Match of twenty twenty five, it would be
here at Emerson's in Duneda. And this place is magnificent.
It's been open. The brewery was founded in nineteen ninety

(42:23):
two by Richard Emerson. A lot of people probably know
the history. But the pub that we're in, which is
starting to raally fill up, opened nine years ago yesterday,
the fourth of July twenty sixteen, so we can celebrate
it's nine year anniversary. We've already started to negotiate a
return for the ten year anniversary next year. But the

(42:46):
place is terrific. People of all shapes and sizes have
started to wander in to enjoy some lunch, a little
bit of pre Test match conviviality and foreside bar stadium
for those who don't know Duneda and is only about
six hundred meters from here. It's a very comfortable ten
minute walk down the road to the marvelous far Stadium,

(43:07):
which opens, of course in twenty eleven and has been
hosting Test matches ever since. And we'll again tonight host
the first Test match of the year, as it did
last year. The first Test of last year races first.
As All Blacks coach you might remember, was here in
Dunedin against England sixteen fifteen. The All Blacks one.

Speaker 8 (43:26):
That one.

Speaker 4 (43:27):
You'd have to think it'll be a bit more convincing tonight,
but who knows. Rugby's a funny game and the French
are a funny rugby team. More rugby to come across
the afternoon. This how I'm going to talk to it
in France in a moment, and then joined by a
bloke who's about to go to get this his sixth,
his sixth Paralympic Games, six ones beyond most people. Adam

(43:48):
Hall Pariski are going to jump in and have a
chat to us. He's from Dunedin, he's here already. Good
to see you mate. We'll I've had them all on
the show. In a short, short time. Adam Peacock out
of Australia as well your cause and correspondent's always welcome
on the show. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
nineteen ninety two if you'd like to send them in
by text or emails into Jason at Newstalks dot co

(44:10):
dot nz. But one of the planet's most iconic sporting
events is underway. Tonight's our time, the one hundred and
twelfth running of cycling's Tour de France. It starts in
Lille and finishes along the Champslice in Paris on Sunday,
July twenty seven. A great pleasure to welcome in kiw
Sam Beuley, double Olympic medallist, former elite cyclist, including the

(44:34):
Tour de France among multiple Grand tours he competed in cycling,
podcaster and now director of Sport for the Israel Premiere
Tech Team, one of the entrants in this year's Tour
de France. Sam, Thanks for joining us, mate. Let's start
with your role as director of sport. What does that
actually involve?

Speaker 15 (44:55):
Yeah, thanks for having me on. Looking forward to the
Tour de France that it once is a ride, have
done it once? As a sports director. This is my
second time now. So basically what we're what we're doing
here is we're just we're looking after the riders from
in every way we can. But obviously the main focus
for us is the is the strategy how we're going
to try to win stages, which is our goal here

(45:16):
at the tour. Looking into all the finer details, the
roster selection, you know what, which riders do we have here,
why do we have them here, and all of those
little things. So ultimately we're here to try to direct
the guys in the right direction to to try to
win a stage, from from the pre race planning to
d in the race, in the race car, on the
on the rider radio.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
How much does your experience on the tour and other
tours as well help in terms of preparing your riders
in the best possible way once you move into a
sporting direction role.

Speaker 15 (45:50):
I think I think past experience to bike rider is
is hugely impactful. Actually when you're when you're a sports director,
it's you kind of you can see things a little
bit from the human side. It's it's quite easy, it's
quite easy to sit in the back of behind behind
the bunch in the in the team car and try
and play PlayStation, but it's just not how it works unfortunately.

(46:10):
So it's it's I think having that experience and understanding
how bike racing work, especially especially in this modern world
of cycling. It's just evolving so quickly. It's so fast.
The strategies are different than they used to be, so
so it's important to have that understanding of of of
real world cycling, and I think the riders respect that
as well, and they understand that I've been I've been

(46:32):
in this position myself and nine times out of ten
I came out second pest, So you kind of have
you kind of had that experience and understanding about how
tough it is to win, especially the Tilt of France.
It's even the Toil of France compared to the other
Grand Tours to Jiraitalia or the Wild trustpun Is, it's
a different beast. Especially it's going to be this It's
going to be the same this year with this first

(46:52):
week up in northern France. Super stressful, small roads, lots
of traffic, islands and roundabouts and hopefully not too many,
but I'm sure there'll be a few crashes as well.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
You mentioned their strategy and how strategies have changed. Can
you just unpack that for us about Sam? How have
they changed? What's different now than it was five, ten,
fifteen years ago.

Speaker 15 (47:13):
I think the biggest thing is just that the champions
now are the guys that are winning the most. They're
also young. When I first turned professional, when I was
twenty one years old, it wasn't even an option to
go to a Grand Tour. You know, you had to
you had to do your apprenticeship a little bit and
start with the smaller races, and as you got older
and a little bit stronger and a little bit more
experienced than you've got the chance to go to the

(47:34):
Grand tours. Whereas nowadays the guys winning the Grand Tours
of that age or even younger at times. So you know,
this youthful exuberance these guys are coming. They're coming out
of the junior ranks or out of the under twenty
three ranks, and they're winning straight away. So there's the
hierarchy of cycling has kind of gone in some degree.
You know, every young rider that turns professional thinks they're

(47:56):
capable of winning, and they want to win, and they
want to race in a way that they can win.
So it's a lot more aggressive style of racing. It's
a lot faster. Races are starting from from a long
way out now, you know, like traditionally that there'd be
there'd be a structure to a bike crasis, the start
would happen for a few kilometers, a little breakaway would go,
a team would control it and then and then we'd

(48:17):
race in the final part of the stage. But nowadays
that's just racing from from kilometer zero all the way
to the finish line. And obviously today Pagacha, who's could
be the best cyclist that's ever lived or head and
heading that way at least you know his dominance is
also changing strategies because other teams and competitors have to
look at different ways to try to beat them because
it's not so easy to beat them when you just

(48:38):
get to the last climb and try and race him
from bottom to the top.

Speaker 4 (48:41):
You had Derek g of course, get an impressive fourth
at the zero. Recently he's not on the Tour de France.
So does that mean that you don't target the yellow jersey?
That stage wins are what you're all about exactly.

Speaker 10 (48:53):
We're we're here for stage wins.

Speaker 15 (48:54):
We've we've brought quite a different team to what we
to what we had at the Giro, for example, to
support Derek. So it's all about it's all about stage
wins and trying to have a diverse group that's capable
of winning on different terrains, and that's why we're here.
At the end of the day, the yellow jersey could
still be possible. The first stage is a bunch sprint.

(49:15):
We've got Pascal Lachman here who's our main sprinter in
our team, so he's here to try to try to
win the sprint stages and if he wins the first one,
he gets the yellow jersey. But there's definitely no no
ambitions of having a high GC result once we get
to Paris. It's all just about trying to pick off
the stages that suit us and hopefully hopefully walk away
in three weeks time with at least one.

Speaker 4 (49:36):
You're planning, I'm sure as metronomic you know before the
race starts and here we are it's just about to begin.
How much do your plans change, Sam over the three weeks?
You know, if we get to three weeks from now,
will we get to the Champsalis on the twenty seventh
and look back, will it have gone to plan? Probably
or not?

Speaker 15 (49:54):
Probably not the yeah, yeah, You've got to be in
these long and these long three week races, you have
to be. You have to be ready to adapt on
a dime, you know, because the anything is in the
same position. You come here with the leader. We come
here with with Pascal Ackman. It's our main guy for

(50:16):
the bunch prints and there's six opportunities for him. But
if you if you lose them on the first day
from a bit crash, then you have to you have
to switch. You have to make you have to come
up with different ideas and different ways to try to
win stages. And uh, it's it's likely that that our
team and other teams are going to are going to
have bad moments where you know, sickness comes in or
there's crashes and injuries and you lose riders. Hopefully not,

(50:39):
but it's always possible and you have to be you
have to be pretty quick to adapt and react to
those situations. You've got to get the guys motivated again,
get them aspired again, get them back on track when
things don't go well. So you do have to be
you do have to be pretty adaptable in these in
these three week races, and and that that's the same
for a team riding for to try to win until
to France or a team that's just trying to win stages.

Speaker 4 (51:00):
You've got a couple of key wes in the in
the team with you, but you haven't selected them for
the tour. George Bennett and Corbyn Strong. How tough are
those conversations for you?

Speaker 16 (51:11):
Uh?

Speaker 15 (51:11):
Yeah, George was especially tough. It was never it was
never in Corbyn's plan this year. The plan for him
was to go the Jyra, which he did and came
close to winning the stage there. So the Tour ti
de France wasn't on his on his program this year,
and that changes year by year based on the courses,
based on our on our team's ambitions. But George certainly
was was was gunning for the Tour de France and

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it wasn't. It wasn't an easy decision made by the
by the performance group. And yeah, it's tough because he's
one of my best mates as well, so you have
to you have to have those conversations with him from
a from a human side, been trying to be a
friend and support him so and then try to be
professional and make the right decisions and explain why those
decisions have been made. So it was it was definitely
tough to leave George at home. Would have would have

(51:54):
been great if he didn't have to, but he's he's
still he's still on track for some big races coming
up this year and.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
Across at red Ball. That leaves Lawrence Pithy is the
only key we competing in the tour this year. Do
you do you keep half an eye on him being
a fellow New Zealander.

Speaker 15 (52:09):
Yeah, definitely try to keep an eye on all the keys,
but Lawrence especially. He's a super young, talented guy. He's
he had a big breakthrough season last year and he's
been writing really well this year and his new team
in Bora Red Bull, and the first six or seven
days of this Tour de France really suits his start
of writing. He's obviously here in a support role for

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pretty much Roglic who's he's coming here to try to
win tworl of France, so that would be his primary
objective to support him, but he's also the kind of
writer who, like I say, he suits the start of racing.
In the first week of the Tour de France, and
he's getting better and better every year, so I wouldn't
be surprised when New Zealand shouldn't be surprised if you
see him, see him up there fighting for his own

(52:52):
stage ones outstanding.

Speaker 4 (52:54):
Yeah, and the iconic stages through the Pyrenees. How much
do you look forward to those? Or is that the
wrong phrase? Do you do you know, have a sense
of dread around those stages as well? Or do the writers?

Speaker 15 (53:07):
The writers probably do. I don't say much anymore. I
used to, but they they're they're a little bit easier
for me now. But now that I do look, I
do look forward to those stages. I think at the
end of the day that the Til de France is
the Til To France is the biggest bi cration in
the world, one of the biggest sporting events in the world.
And and like you say, those stages in the Pyrenees
and the Alps are what make this what make this

(53:27):
race iconic. Yeah, this first this first week is going
to be stressful. I think a lot of teams, including ours,
are looking forward to so having a crack at trying
to win, to win some of these stages. But ultimately
probably looking forward to getting out of out of northern
France and down into the Pyrenees, where where the racing
is a bit more historical, everybody understands how those mountains work,

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and a bit more familiar and a little bit a
little bit safer in some ways as well. So looking
forward to getting down there and getting into those stages
and just that that's where you really feel like you're
at the tild of France. The big crowds, the you know,
the barbecues on the side of the road, all of
that stuff, the passionate spectators. So uh, those those stages
are certainly ones that I think everybody.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
Looks for the Tour de France.

Speaker 4 (54:07):
Just to finish, Sam, can you put into context for
us just how big the Tour de France is. You know,
there there are a lot of cycling events, right, but
is this one clearly above all the rest and and
by how much?

Speaker 15 (54:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (54:22):
It is?

Speaker 15 (54:23):
Yeah, I think like from a from a bike rider's
point of view, the way that racing has changed. Every
every single bike race now is hard, and the Tour
de France is not necessarily physically harder than the Giro
or the welter Espania that all three of those those
three week races sort of sit on par now with

(54:43):
the with their physical level, but the Tilda France just
brings that big hype, you know, brings the pressure for
the riders. It's it's the biggest, the biggest race in
the world. Everybody's watching it. We had a briefing yesterday
with one hundred and ninety one hundred and ninety countries.
It's televised in so you know all all of that stuff.
It's just it's just cycling on such a bigger scale

(55:05):
and and that comes pressure. With that, comes viewers with it,
comes eyes on the race, on the riders. So it
is an enormous sporting event and it's hard to hide
from that, especially when you get to the You get
to the stage. Starts every day and there's just thousands
and thousands of people. So that's why everybody wants to
be here, and that's what's so exciting at the Tour
de France.

Speaker 4 (55:24):
Absolutely well, there are a lot of people on the
side of the world, as I'm sure you'll know, stocking
up on coffee for the next three weeks or so
to watch it through the night. Sam, all the best
to you and the Israel Premier Tech team for the
running of the Tour de France this year. Appreciate you
very much taking the time to chet to us cool,
Thank you very much, No, thank you mate. That is
Sam Beuerley with the Tour de France starting tonight in

(55:45):
lell and just some spectacular scenery as always to be
enjoyed well during the night over here, of course, but
certainly those cycling enthusiasts among you will, as I said
to Sam, there be stocking up on the coffee and
making sure that they don't miss a moment, or not
too many moments anyway, of the one hundred and twelfth
running of Cycling's Tour de France. The only key we

(56:07):
in the field is in the red bull side, that
is Lawrence Pithy, so we will keep eyes on him
in particular. As the Tour de France gets under way
tonight in Leale, we come to your live as you
can probably hear in the background from an increasingly populated
Emerson's Brewery in Duned. And it's ahead of the first

(56:28):
test of the year of course tonight at Forsyth Bar Stadium.
Just reminding you we have built up from six tonight
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alongside former All Blacks number eight inexpert comments and on
the show tomorrow we'll break it all down. So watch

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and tomorrow on the show we'll talk it through. In fact,
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medalist Adam Hall, who is here actually at Emerson's, enjoying
a bit of lunch and a cold beverage, although I
see he has gone with the coffee before our chat,
which I think is wise. He is about to head

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off well early next year anyway, for his sixth Paralympic
Winter Games. Six incredible stuff. Adam Hall going to join
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One twenty seven Here on News Talks be broadcasting live
from Emerson's Brewery and Pub in Dunedin and it's amazing
who you bump into on afternoons like this. Five time
Paralympic medallist Adam Hall selected for a record equilling sixth
Paralympic Games. He's off to the Milano Cortina twenty twenty
six Paralympic Winter Games in March, set to match the

(59:10):
achievement of power athlete and swimmer Graham Condon and parashooter
Michael Johnson as a six time Paralympian, but it'll be
the first New Zealander to appear at six Paralympic Winter Games.
Gold and the men slalom standing in Vancouver in twenty ten,
again in Peongchang in twenty eighteen, also a bronze that year,
and the men's Super combined standing and at Beijing in

(59:33):
twenty twenty two. Bronze medals in both the men's Super
Combined Standing and Men's Slalom Standing disciplines. In twenty eleven,
made a member of the New Zealand Order of Merit
in the Queen's Birthday Honors for services to sport. Nice
to see you, mate, How are you?

Speaker 12 (59:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (59:49):
Good afternoon, pioneer. And to your viewers, it's great to
be here.

Speaker 4 (59:53):
Great to have you on the show. Mate. You made
your debut Paralympic Winter Games appearance in Tirno in two
thousand and six. That seems an awfully long time ago.
Could you ever have imagined you'd go to another fivebsolutely.

Speaker 12 (01:00:06):
Not know when you look back, And to still be
here and to still be in the position that I
am in and obviously still being competitive. Just finished one
of my most successful seasons in just over ten seasons.
So it's quite remarkable really, and I think it's a
huge acknowledgment not just to myself, but my family, friends

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and supporters and everybody that's been able to be so supportive.

Speaker 7 (01:00:32):
And it's not just been a.

Speaker 12 (01:00:32):
Sacrifice to myself, but the sacrifice to the close team
around me and the community and friends and everybody that
has been involved. It's a true testament to everybody to
have that innovative mindset, that open mindset, growth mindset to
be able to continue to really push the envelope and
to still be really competitive twenty years on. And yeah,

(01:00:56):
to be heading towards my sixth campaign as a huge
testament to.

Speaker 17 (01:01:02):
All of that.

Speaker 4 (01:01:02):
Yeah, and to you as well made and as you
just seed, you've just had one of your most successful season.
So is it the kind of sport where you do
improve with age, you know, is your best yet to come? Perhaps?

Speaker 12 (01:01:14):
Yeah, I guess that tends to happen more in endurance sport, perhaps,
is what they say, But I don't know. I think
the unique thing about parasport in particular is it that
every athlete, whatever they have from a para perspective, disability
or not, is the ability to really push the envelope.
And we're all so unique and so individualize it. You know,

(01:01:37):
we're able to kind of figure out what works and
what doesn't work and really go into a few rabbit holes.
And it's kind of not a generic sport or environment
where everything is kind of relatively the same. You know,
we're still out there pushing for tents and hundreds, and
I think that's what keeps it really exciting, not just
for myself but also the team around me when we're
training both on the snow off the snow and really

(01:01:59):
trying to fine tune things and see what can work
and what doesn't work.

Speaker 7 (01:02:04):
And yeah, that's out of the journey to what keeps
it really exciting.

Speaker 12 (01:02:08):
We're always, you know, finding those little golden nuggets under
the rocks every now and again, and sometimes they work
and sometimes they don't.

Speaker 9 (01:02:15):
I love that.

Speaker 4 (01:02:15):
I love that your gold medals in twenty ten and
again in twenty eighteen. Special moments, of course, what stands
out most vividly about twenty ten for you?

Speaker 7 (01:02:27):
Yeah, twenty ten.

Speaker 12 (01:02:28):
Obviously, coming off my first campaign in two thousand and six,
I wanted to go there, and you know, after being
selected to my first campaign, you have this ambition that okay, cool,
I've done that. Now I want to go and represent
our country to the best that I can and win medals, obviously,
and you know, at.

Speaker 7 (01:02:46):
That point in time, I was pretty new on the scene.

Speaker 12 (01:02:48):
I'd only been involved for about eighteen months, where a
lot of my competitors were at the point that I'm
at now, they had been to four or five or
six games. So for me, it was about taking that
opportunity in that campaign to really see what it was
that I needed to be the best and learn from
that experience, and you know, taking that experience four years

(01:03:09):
later down the track to Vancouver and just remember walking
out of that campaign and O six and saying that,
you know, in four years time, that's going to be
us on top of the podium, national anthem being played,
the flag being raised, and that'll be us with the
gold medal around our neck, and you know, everything just
seemed to kind of fall into place obviously, and things

(01:03:31):
just kind of continued from there really, which was yeah, hugely, yeah,
hugely an amazing experience and time will be something that
I get to to reflect on. And obviously there was
a period of time there where, you know, soon after
the Games there was the accident of my number one

(01:03:51):
supporter that was my mother, so my late months, so
we we you know, remember her every single day and
she has been a part of my journey as well
and continues too though not here is a part of
a deeply, hugely part of my journey today as well.

Speaker 4 (01:04:09):
Amazing was it as special in twenty eighteen. I don't
suppose gold medals ever get old but what was it
a different feeling?

Speaker 12 (01:04:16):
I think it's as we say it's about cliche. I
guess is that it is about the journey. Like we
live in four year cycles, where ultimately you're trying to
put your bets on a Friday afternoon, whatever it may be,
in four years time and hope that you have done
absolutely everything that you possibly can to be the best
prepared that you can to get the medals, and there's

(01:04:38):
no hiding from that. In high performance sport, we're there about,
you know, trying to sustainably win medals and to have
an eight year gap between you know, twenty ten and
then back on top of the podium in twenty eighteen,
I think that was something that was truly remarkable, and
just having a team around me that were hugely innovative

(01:04:59):
and had a great vision that we all believed in
and knew what it would take to get back up
there and be the best on that day. And when
I look back now even and reflect on that performance,
it's not you know, at that time, it was an
amazing performance and it was world class at that time,
but when we compare it to today's skiing again, it's
on another level. So I think again, just reflecting on

(01:05:21):
the team around me, the training, everything that we're able
to do, and still trying and.

Speaker 7 (01:05:26):
Stay ahead of the curve.

Speaker 12 (01:05:28):
And you know where it's not just me that it's
trying to be competitive and get those medals. Is a
number of other athletes and nations out there that are
all trying to do the same thing. So at the
end of the day, it's all about who who comes
up and shows best prepared, who has the best planning
in place, the best support, and at the end of
the day, as we know and high performance sport, a

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lot of it comes to that top couple of inches.

Speaker 4 (01:05:52):
Super combined standing and slalom standing. Can you just explain
the two for us?

Speaker 17 (01:05:56):
Yes.

Speaker 12 (01:05:56):
So slalom's been my specialty event throughout my whole career,
which is it's the most technical event where your gates
that you are going around, the plastic gate quite short.
So when I say that I'm in in distance, are
there anywhere from say nine to eleven or twelve meters
apart down.

Speaker 7 (01:06:16):
The hill, So quite technical.

Speaker 12 (01:06:18):
Whereas super g is the second fastest event, so the
gates are quite wide open and depending on the vertical drop,
there's a calculation that's out there. That depends on how
far apart the gates are, so super g can be
anywhere from say fifty to eighty meters apart, and you're
going anywhere up to one hundred.

Speaker 7 (01:06:38):
Kilometers an hour.

Speaker 12 (01:06:39):
And so this is an event and supercombined where you
do that for your first run. So slalom is two
two slalom runs combined time supercombined. It's kind of one
extreme to the other. So you have your speed event
first and then your second run is back to your slalom.
So it's been quite a cool event to have and
quite a traditional event that has been around, and there

(01:07:02):
have been talked for the last couple of campaigns that
they would get Supercombined off the program, and it is
still in the end and in the future, I think
we'll start to see a new kind of team event
evolve in future campaigns where, for example, my teammate Corey,
who specializes in speed, he would do the speed portion
of it and then I would be doing the slalom

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portion of it. So I think that from a viewership
perspective and from an excitement perspective as will be pretty
cool moving forward. Here.

Speaker 4 (01:07:32):
How did you get into it?

Speaker 7 (01:07:34):
Yeah, I mean it's it could be a long story,
but short story.

Speaker 12 (01:07:39):
Basically, when I was about six years old, through ccs
back in those days, who had different programs I guess
within our region, and so you get introduced to all
different kinds of sports. And I was introduced to these
ski trips away up to Central Otago who I was

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introduced through a friend of my mum's at the time
who had a son with the same disability as me,
and he had been skiing doing these trips and suggested
that perhaps I gave it a go. So for me,
that's kind of where it began, and it was kind
of three years of torture. I was obviously young. Naturally,
you're pretty weak when you're young anyway, And after three
years I was then introduced to snowboarding. And during those

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early days, actually my dad spent a lot of time
up on the mountain with me, trying to get me
up onto the mountains because we would have volunteers come
up to the mountains from the phyzed schools as part
of some of their study. They would come up and
volunteer and be a part of the program. And a
lot of the volunteers they would you get their pass
or whatever it would be to help out, and often

(01:08:42):
I would be that much of a struggle they would
leave me in the cafeteria, so they would kind of
just go out there and you know, enjoy what they
were doing getting with their pass and I would kind
of just cruise around. So yeah, Dad actually spend a
lot of time up on the mountains with me in
those early days. And then once I changed to snowboarding,
for me, that was where I really found, I guess,
the independence and the freedom that I had been looking for.

(01:09:04):
And probably the biggest thing that I got out of
that was instead of being on two planks with my
skis tied together and my outriggers that some viewers may
have seen with the little ski tips on the bottom,
I didn't have to worry about the yard sales as much.
I was just on one plank with my outriggers and
I was able to go up there and essentially pass
all those volunteers that were up there that were leaving

(01:09:26):
in the caf So that was that was quite cool,
and yeah, for me, that was when I really first
kind of thought that, you know, I could go far
in this and one day represent New Zealand at the
highest level possible and at that point and only until
recently in the last ten years, snowboarding has been introduced.

Speaker 7 (01:09:41):
To the Paralympic Games.

Speaker 12 (01:09:43):
So yeah, for me to be able to go to
to Reno and O six, so I had to, yeah,
change back to skiing if that was the pathway that
I wanted to go down.

Speaker 4 (01:09:51):
Is it too late for you to get back on
a snowboard and go to a Paralympic Winter Games? Is
that kind of has that ship sailed?

Speaker 12 (01:09:57):
It's always been in the back of the line for sure,
I said to a lot of people out there are
snowboarder at heart, and I do get the snowboard out
there from time to time, Yeah, up on the mountains,
which which is pretty cool to have that opportunity and
depending on the Paralympic program as well. But the way
that I snowboard with my out riggers at the moment,
it's it's it's not legal because of my aut riggers

(01:10:20):
can be seen as as a bit of a danger,
I guess when it comes to collisions and the disciplines
that they have in snowboard around broad across and slalom.
But yeah, that boat has probably passed. But yeah, still
get to get out there on a snowboard every now
and again. And remember where you know, all this passion.

Speaker 4 (01:10:38):
Started absolutely well that wanted to get too carried away.
So number six, next year, you're still pretty young man,
are you? You know, is it going to be? Was
Cory's older than you?

Speaker 17 (01:10:48):
Isn't he?

Speaker 7 (01:10:48):
Cory is old older than me?

Speaker 12 (01:10:50):
Yeah, And I guess you know, generally across the board,
when when athletes do start to retire, you know, your
late thirties, it may seem you're like you're still young,
but when you start really young, like in your fifteen
sixteen year old, it's yeah, you've been around definitely a
long time. So yeah, I mean it's been an amazing

(01:11:14):
journey so far, and yeah, it's just been really incredible.
And I yeah, I wouldn't say I'm that young anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:11:20):
All Right, Well, let's let's get twenty twenty six out
of the way before we start talking about twenty thirty.
Where do you keep your medals?

Speaker 12 (01:11:28):
So the one from Vancouver is here on the on
the tyry and a gun cabinet and a safe, and
the rest are with me and Wanica. So I do
like to, you know, carry them around with me take
them to places if I'm doing any kind of functions
or talks or anything like that, I do like to,
you know, have them available so you know, they can

(01:11:49):
come out and be shared. Really because at the end
of the day, I really value that. You know, as
an athlete, we're often put up on the pedestal as
the athlete that you know won the medals, but really
it is every single hard working New Zealander out there
that is part of the journey, part of the medals
because at the end of the day, the majority of

(01:12:10):
our funding and what enables us to do what we
do as athletes come from everybody.

Speaker 7 (01:12:16):
So everybody isn't part of that. So I think I
have a responsibility to.

Speaker 12 (01:12:22):
Showcase and to show the journey and the behind the
scenes a little bit of you know, what it's like,
and you know, people enjoy being able to get their
hands on it where whatever, you know, and I really
enjoy that and the opportunity to do that.

Speaker 17 (01:12:34):
I love that.

Speaker 4 (01:12:35):
Yeah, I can't remember who it was you told me
the same thing that their medals aren't quite as pristine
as they were when they were first presented because hundreds
of hands have been on them. But they preferred it
that way because you know, you maybe sometimes somebody has
to see it to be it. You must enjoy inspiring
others as well.

Speaker 7 (01:12:53):
Yeah, I think that's one of the major things.

Speaker 12 (01:12:56):
I think is especially within Winter and within the winter environment,
we've had such a huge legacy and a very successful
team all the way from the the early pioneers, if
you like, in the original Winter Paralympic team in New Zealand,
where we have won medals at every single games except
for my first campaign and I know six. So that's
something that's been you know, very special for us and

(01:13:18):
for Corey and I and that everyone else that's gone
before us. Is to continue that legacy and to keep
striving to not just go and participate, but to really
go and perform and do the best that we can
and bring back as many medals as we possibly can.

Speaker 7 (01:13:33):
And I think we're starting to see.

Speaker 12 (01:13:34):
Now that when athletes do go to their you know,
even just their first campaigns, it's not anymore just about experience.
It's about you know, that they are being successful straight
off the bat, which is really really cool, and having
a platform to be able to inspire others to get
out there and you know, be ambitious and not be

(01:13:55):
afraid of, you know, saying what your dreams are.

Speaker 7 (01:13:58):
And what your goals are, because I think it's keen.

Speaker 12 (01:14:00):
We sometimes we are a little bit quiet in that
area and we're a bit too afraid to kind of
get out there and really say what it is that
we want to do and think. You know, there's about
one in four one and five of New Zealanders that
have a disability of some kind and I think we're
probably the biggest minority in the world really, So if

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we can inspire others disability or not to get out
there and yeah, just really strive to do something that
can change your own life or change others is really
cool because you can surprise yourself and you never never
know what could have been.

Speaker 4 (01:14:41):
Love it, mate, love it. Congratulations on what you've done
so far. I know there's much more to come starting
in twenty twenty six next year. Really appreciate your stopping
for a chat. Adam.

Speaker 7 (01:14:50):
Thanks, Bindy chairs, Take it easy, mate.

Speaker 4 (01:14:51):
That's Adam Hall, five time Paralympic medalist and about to
head to his sixth Paralympic Winter Games. No New Zealander
has ever been to that. Many news talks there being
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night in Sydney. Shere's locked up at one. All New
South Wales will be favorites in Sydney, wouldn't they They are?

Speaker 8 (01:15:32):
But Queensland, every single Queensland. I'm talking to Piney. They're
doing the usual thing. Ah yeah, you've likes your favorite,
Ah yeah, you've likes the plane at home. I'm not
sure if we even should bother showing up. We'll just
go down there and do our best blah blah blah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's that. It's that cape of mate. So I don't

(01:15:52):
believe them. It'll be close. It'll be a close game
and New south West probably do deserve to be favorites
on account of having a majority of the sport support
in the stadium. There'll be eighty thousand people out. I'd
say about seventy thousand of them go up in your
South Wales. So yeah, there's a reason, but it's not
as clear cut as something.

Speaker 4 (01:16:09):
Yeah, bit of a punch of the face out western Perth.
Wasn't it four Queensland for New South Wales Rather well,
they did get up and got to within two points
I think after the demolition job and Bruce, but everybody
thought this might even be a three mil situation. So yeah,
I know what you're saying about Queensland and trying to
be humble about it all, but I'm actually quite looking

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forward to this as a neutral of sorts. It should
be quite a good game.

Speaker 8 (01:16:35):
Yeah, it will be. It will be the first half
of southwelst play in Perth was probably their worst half
of football in the last five games and going back
to the start of last yearies and that's including when
Joseph Whiteley you got sent off after seven minutes, So yeah,
he's obviously now playing another sport and we'll get to that.

(01:16:56):
But yeah, it was all over the shop from New Southwell,
I can't see him doing that again. And yeah, all
the talk was about the eight mil penalty count at
half time that was maybe a byproduct you so, well,
they're playing very well as well and their discipline was
all over the shop. They won't play like that again.
They can't play like that again. So yeah, I think

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a better game from them season, win the game. It's
queenslanda left as well.

Speaker 4 (01:17:22):
All right, let's move to the fifteen A side. Co
The British and Irish Lions are in Australia. They started
their tour of Australia a week ago with a fifty
four to seven when over the Force midweek they put
fifty two on the Reds. They've got the Warratahs tonight.
The first Test against the Wallabies isn't for a couple
of weeks. But is this looking a little bit ominous
for the Wallabies or is it just the fact that

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the lines are on international side playing against super rugby
sides early on this tour.

Speaker 8 (01:17:49):
Yeah, a couple of factors. I just think our super
rugby sides are a bit out of neck. You know,
they're not too far removed from the from the season,
but I don't think they've come up and go as
a bit surprised at the Queensland result. I thought they'd
be a bit closer, but that's kind of the pie. Also,
I think came where the Lions played over and over

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in Island. I guess that's a team that that blew
a few cod webs out. They haven't done that before,
have they, So that helped them gell a bit quicker.
But yeah, they'd be mightily impressive. The wall of his
will I think i'll get I was thinking about this
this week pint, after out that last week. I think
they'll get a chest. I can't see them getting too
though that the lines have just got way too much depth.

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As you'd expect from a team that's a conglomeration of
four different nations, you'd want them to have a bit
of depth. So I just think, yeah, that tonight will
be a bit of the same. There was an article
this week. I don't know if you remember this one
pint in two thousand and one when the World Retwars
played the Lion. So there's actually a massive punch on
Duncan McCrae got involved, and I don't know if that

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springs into your mind.

Speaker 4 (01:18:55):
It's not rehashed.

Speaker 8 (01:18:58):
Probably can't happen here now in this dar and age,
but yeah, funny things have happened, but no, yeah, I
think the lines would be way too good on what
will be a nice ninety Sidney so clear air, thankfully,
I think, and through the rain stays away and they
play him to rugby.

Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
All right.

Speaker 4 (01:19:13):
That's ten o'clock tonight in New Zealand time, then the
Brumby's midweek, the Australian New Zealand Invitational side next Saturday,
and then two weeks tonight the first Test Wallaby's against
the British and Irish Lions in Brisbane. Can we finish
at Wimbledon where a couple of your men are still alive.
In the men's singles, Jordan Thompson into the fourth round,
beating the Italian Lucciano Drdaldian for seat. It's going to

(01:19:34):
play fifth seed Taylor. Fritz tell us a bit about
Jordan Thompson. He kind of flies under the radar a
little bit, just a.

Speaker 8 (01:19:42):
Super hard worker. He always puts himself in a position
and it was absolutely zero shock to me that in
the first two rounds he won in five sets, because
even when he's not playing his best. Tomo will be
there when the other guy starts to feel it a
bit and starts to doubt himself physically. He's a freak
of an athlete and a dann good tennis player as well.

(01:20:03):
I mean, he's been nearly top twenty and yeah, yeah
he's done. He's done very very well to get what
he had out of tennis, and exceptionally well to get
to the fourth round here at Wimbledon. And yeah, Taylor
Fritz next for him. So it's not going to be
easy for him because Taylor the big American. His game suits, yeah,

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suits the grass. Ever, so well, what I will say
about Demon is he's got the biggest opportunity of all
time against a Danish qualifier. Holmgren plays tonight. Holmgren is
ranked nearly two hundred in the world. He's doubled his
career earnings this week, I think, or matched it or
something like that, and he's got the chance to possibly

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play Djokovic in the next round. So if Demon doesn't
get ahead of himself, he's up for a good weekend
as well over there at Wimbledon.

Speaker 4 (01:20:51):
Yeah, absolutely, how would he? I mean, I don't think
you go into any game, any match against Novak Djokovic
as favorite, but it's I guess it's late in his
career Djokovic. If they do meet in the fourth round,
would Alex Demon who are fancy an upset there?

Speaker 8 (01:21:07):
Yep? Absolutely And last year I meant to play Paul
Demon hurt himself just before I think it was a
quarter final or semi a quarter final, and Demon hurt
himself late in the previous match and had to pull out,
had to withdraw when he was just humming. So he's
not quite showed that level so far in the first

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six months this season, but he's showing something here at
Wimblond which which looks really good. He spoke of like
he's putting too much pressure on himself about the overall
outcome and not letting the process.

Speaker 4 (01:21:40):
Oh thanks, that's all we have from Adam Peacock. That's something.
Well to cut you off there of the ind at
and thanks mate, thanks for your time. He's always Adam
Peacock are Australian correspondent here on News TALKSB seven or two.

Speaker 1 (01:21:52):
Don't get caught Offside eight eight Weekend Sports with Jason
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Speaker 4 (01:22:01):
Talks MB coming up three to two, broadcasting from Emerson's
derived former Otago Highlanders and All Blacks captain Tayane Randall.
He's among the patrons here at Emerson's as we're built
towards the first Test match of the year, so we've
enticed him over for a chat. Tane Randall after two
first up after the News though Matt Lacy, coach of

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the Junior Tall Blacks into the semi finals at the
Under nineteen Fever World Cup.

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
The Old Blacks season is set to begin rama the
mission in twenty twenty five Domin eight. The French Arrave, Young,
fearless and ready to shock the rugby world.

Speaker 4 (01:22:44):
France trying to stripe test.

Speaker 3 (01:22:46):
The Old Lags with power, precision and pride. All Blacks Wow,
what try?

Speaker 1 (01:22:52):
As we get ready for the start of the international
rugby season, we are live.

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
From Emerson's Brewery in Donedia net.

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
God counting down to the Old Blacks first Test of
twenty twentive charge for it's Weekend Sport with Jason Pine
on your home of Sport News Dogs at.

Speaker 4 (01:23:14):
B two seven. Welcome into the show, Welcome back, to
the show as the case may be less than five
hours to or kickoff now in the first test of
twenty twenty five, All Blacks fronts forsightfar Stadium, Duneed. In
full commentary here on news Talks head be built up
from six skickoff at five past seven. We are coming
to your live from Emerson's in Deneed and the iconic
Emersons founded by Richard Emerson nineteen ninety two. The bar

(01:23:37):
pub that we're in at the moment attached to the
brewery open nine years ago and its rarely fall nowt
a real buzz around the great ambiance. I'm pretty sure
you can hear us Okavid in the background here. A
number of punters have arrived to enjoy some pregame festivities,
including former All Blacks Captain Taine Randall. He's pretty well
not around these parts, in fact around all parts leed

(01:23:59):
otago to the NPC title in nineteen ninety eight, was
a big part of the Highlanders in their early years
and of course All Blacks cap twenty two times among
his fifty odd test matches. Tanne Randall going to join
us for a chat shortly. Matt Lacy Junior tall Black's
coach will lead us off after his side have made
it through to the final four of the Fever Under
nineteen World Cup in Switzerland with a win over the hosts.

(01:24:22):
This morning and at Grimaldi's on the show, she's going
to compete at the Diamond League event in Eugene, Oregon,
tomorrow morning. One of our great paralympians. She's in the
one hundred meters going to chat about that with us
and Jamie McKay speaking of Royalty, Southern Royalty. Jamie McKay,
host of the country and probably the most famous man

(01:24:42):
in Dunedin, has also come in the doors here at
Emerson's and he'll maybe wrap the show for us in
his inimitable fashion just before three o'clock. You can come
and see us at Emerson's or give us a l
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two ninety two.
We'll get you through on our text line. But as
we took over nine pass two, as we always do
at around about this time on weekend Sport, it's time

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to get you up to date with some of the
things that might have escaped during tension of the last
twenty four hours or so. In case you missed it
starting with our under twenty all Blacks an impressive showing
this morning against Georgia.

Speaker 5 (01:25:15):
Blamers carrying in the middle Odin Rhyne. This has a juggling.

Speaker 3 (01:25:20):
It doesn't allow him to screech our Oh Canora.

Speaker 8 (01:25:23):
They material from Maloney fins up for the These Zealanders.

Speaker 4 (01:25:33):
Again fins up love at thirty eight nineteen win is,
giving them two wins from two to start their World
Cup campaign. To the NRL. The Broncos were the comeback
kids last night against the Bulldogs.

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
Walters Reynolds PRIs a Cheftain.

Speaker 18 (01:25:52):
Stop press.

Speaker 5 (01:25:57):
To take the.

Speaker 4 (01:25:58):
Lafe had twenty to eighteen winners, handing the Doggies back
to back losses. Drama meantime at the end of day
two in the second Crew Test between the West Indies
and Australia, and again.

Speaker 3 (01:26:11):
Very similar, in fact eerily similar.

Speaker 19 (01:26:15):
What's on the person ends it was Azari Josephin It's
Jerms is now on?

Speaker 17 (01:26:21):
The show continues for.

Speaker 4 (01:26:23):
Twacha Australia twelve for two and their second innings a
lead of just forty five with eight seconds innings wickets
and hands a couple of hometown heroes. Meantime have exited Wimbledon,
Emma Radakanu falling to Arena Sablenka, with Jack Draper going
down to an impressive Marin Chilich.

Speaker 20 (01:26:45):
About living dangerously water when from Chewitch since sixteen off
the back of double surgery, thirty six years young and
without a shadow at that one of the biggest wins
in the last few years for Chilich.

Speaker 4 (01:27:00):
Que of moments, and finally the King has returned to
the famous Nathan's hot dog eating contest.

Speaker 21 (01:27:09):
Say of a god perhaps, but more than a man
with seventy point five hot dogs and buns in ten
minutes the Nathan's famous Fourth of July Champion of the World.

Speaker 4 (01:27:25):
Joey Jesna.

Speaker 1 (01:27:28):
Breaking down the Hail Mary's and the Olympic Fields. Weekend
Sport with Jason hin Newstalk Zenvy.

Speaker 4 (01:27:36):
Coming up twelve minutes past two form All Blacks captain
and Southern Man Well Ashley. Is he a Southern man?
He's from the North Island, isn't he? But he spent
a lot of his rugby time here in the South.
Taine Randall going to join us in the next little while,
but want to kick off this hour with basketball because
New Zealand has surged to an historic quarterfinal win over

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hosts Switzerland at Basketball's Under nineteen World Cup.

Speaker 1 (01:28:02):
That's baseline creates how boy judges getting.

Speaker 3 (01:28:08):
Around a defender Jones.

Speaker 19 (01:28:12):
The night goes to New Zealand as they claim their
first ever trip to the fever U nineteen Basketball World
Cup semi final, and it will in the second half
like no other, New Zealand has outsports Switzerland forty six
the twenty six in the last forty minutes.

Speaker 4 (01:28:32):
Yeah, down by six points at half time, the junior
Tall Blacks won eighty four points to seventy, the first
time they've made the semifinals of the global events. In
this age group semifinals of the feb Under nineteen World Cup.
Head coach Matt Lacy is with us out of Switzerland. Matt,
congratulations to you on the team on a superb result.

(01:28:52):
Before we talk some specifics, how do you assist your
sides overall performance in general terms?

Speaker 9 (01:28:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:28:59):
Overall?

Speaker 22 (01:29:00):
I thought that, you know, just to come out with
the women having been down year six and a half,
that we're down ten in the second quarter order and
what is really a road game given that we were
playing the Swiss in Switzerland, so thousand fans you know
in the building, and overall I thought we just called it.

Speaker 10 (01:29:17):
You know, we had our composure to us.

Speaker 22 (01:29:20):
There in the second half and really kind of stake
poised and big moments.

Speaker 10 (01:29:26):
I thought we were under the pump a little bit
in the first half, we got.

Speaker 22 (01:29:28):
A little bit brush but overall, just really pleased with
the guys bounce back in the second half.

Speaker 4 (01:29:32):
Yeah, the third quarter was the big one. You won
that twenty nine to twelve. What were the conversations you
had with your players at halftime.

Speaker 22 (01:29:40):
Yeah, I think it was just that offensively, you know,
we needed to slow down and just you know, they
were really up and then and pressuring us, and we
just needed to kind of take our time a little
bit more and handle the pressure a little bit better,
which we did, and I think we kind of just
played into the height of the game a little bit,
you know, the crowd and the energy of the opposition.

Speaker 10 (01:29:58):
So the message really was just.

Speaker 22 (01:29:59):
To stay calm and play our game, and I thought
we kind of took a breath and we made a
couple of shots on the night where we didn't shoot
the all well, but that third quarter kind of got
us going and then overall we just rebounded the ball
a little bit better in the third two.

Speaker 4 (01:30:12):
Could you feel the momentum of the game shift? It
was there a point during that third quarter where the
energy of the game shifted into your favor.

Speaker 10 (01:30:20):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 22 (01:30:21):
I mean, Hayden Jones was huge tonight, just you know,
top scoring for us, but just the poise that he had,
and there are a few plays where he got downhill
into the pain and got to two feet and whether.

Speaker 10 (01:30:31):
He got the score to the layout or got fouled.
You know, we got to the three throw line.

Speaker 22 (01:30:35):
Weld on that third quarter, and I think as you
just kind of build positions on top of each other,
and Hayden was kind of at the forefront of.

Speaker 18 (01:30:43):
That for us.

Speaker 10 (01:30:44):
The tides started to turn, even though we didn't take
the lead initially, you know, kind of things swung in
our favor.

Speaker 11 (01:30:49):
For sure.

Speaker 4 (01:30:50):
I look at his at his stat line. I know
it's a team game, but twenty three points, nine rebounds,
five assists, four blocks, You reckon, he might end up
being better than his old man.

Speaker 10 (01:31:01):
Hey, he's he's got all the making through it.

Speaker 22 (01:31:03):
I mean, fire was pretty good in his own right,
But no, Hayden's been he's been huge. I mean tonight
little tournament. I mean, I think it's the second game
his top squads have that stat line. And you know,
the thing about tonight was our point guard Tom Isaac,
who's been tremendous, was in oul trouble, and so Hayden
had to step up and take have the ball in
his hands a little bit more. And I think that's

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just a sign of a really really talented young man
that can kind of move out of position and take
on the road when our starting PG has to sit.

Speaker 4 (01:31:33):
The under seventeen tall Blacks made the Semis at their
World Cup last year. There are five from what I
can see from that squad and this one. Are we
looking mad at a? I mean, I don't want to
sort of put the cart before the horse, but a
golden generation to match what we had in the early
two thousands.

Speaker 22 (01:31:47):
That's right, We'll do that, yeah, I think so, you know,
I mean the I think the numbers speak for themselves.
You know, we've got twelve players here. Ten have been
playing in the sous NBL, and rapidly nine of them
are on scholarship in the US or heading over there.
Shortly eight of which are at the Division IE level.

Speaker 10 (01:32:05):
So I think it is.

Speaker 22 (01:32:06):
It is very much that, But I would say too
like it's also a sign of the times in New Zealand.
I mean basketball is growing.

Speaker 10 (01:32:13):
You know, we've got.

Speaker 22 (01:32:13):
Another team in China right now that have just been
in Australia twice in a couple of games there. You know,
I think I think New Zealanders can get used to
more competitive basketball teams, but a nation that has swung
that way in terms of participation, and ultimately we're kind
of showing that now on the world stage with some
of these performances at the Judic and just.

Speaker 4 (01:32:35):
On that as well. Is there a feeling now among
the playing group that participating at these tournaments is no
longer enough, that winning games and going deep into them
is the new reality for these guys.

Speaker 10 (01:32:48):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 22 (01:32:48):
And you know, one thing that we've reflected on as
a coaching staff, but they're playing pros every week. You know,
they're playing alongside veterans and tall blacks and playing against them,
and it's just hardening them to high level hoops. And
so when you come to a tournament like this and
you're playing your pairs very talented peers for sure, But
you know, there's a there's an experienced factor, there's a

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confidence factor there, and I think the mindset is certainly
changed from let's qualify for these for these events, and
now that's gone and won a medal.

Speaker 4 (01:33:18):
So a semi final now against the United States of America,
I guess that could be in some ways a little
bit daunting. How do you how do you prepare your
team for that one?

Speaker 22 (01:33:27):
Yeah, I mean we've just got back to the hotel,
so they're going to need and go away and put
some schemes together. But you know, they got pushed all
the way to the life by Canada just in their
quarterfinal and only won by a few points.

Speaker 10 (01:33:39):
They were down in the four.

Speaker 22 (01:33:40):
So I think, you know, that gives us a confidence that,
you know, this is a this is a very talented
and you know, athletic team, but they're also not invincible,
and so you know, excited for the opportunity, excited for
the challenge.

Speaker 10 (01:33:54):
These boys are all heading.

Speaker 22 (01:33:55):
Over to the US to play in the collegiate system,
alongside them, against them, and so to get a crack at.

Speaker 10 (01:34:01):
Them tomorrow night. It's going to be an exciting opportunity as.

Speaker 4 (01:34:05):
You say, road game for you, but like a good
key week contingent of support in the stands. You're getting
good support over.

Speaker 10 (01:34:10):
There, Yeah we are.

Speaker 22 (01:34:12):
We've got some really excited and passionate parents with us
and family members that were sitting behind the bench.

Speaker 10 (01:34:18):
And yeah we got the defense chart going.

Speaker 22 (01:34:21):
There for a second, and yeah, really really nice to
have when you're in a when you're surrounded by a
CF Swiss.

Speaker 4 (01:34:28):
Love it, Matt. Congrats again, mate, go and get that
voice rested up for a semi final against the United States.
Well done to you and the team mate, Thanks for
joining us this afternoon.

Speaker 10 (01:34:36):
Sure, Jason, thank you mate.

Speaker 4 (01:34:38):
That is our Matt Lacy, head coach of the Junior
Tall Blacks. So into the semi finals they go. Six
o'clock tomorrow morning, New Zealand time is when you need
to be up and about to check out their semi
final against the United States of America. Who would have
thought it, For back to back years, one of our
underage men's basketball teams into the semi finals of their
World Cup. It is two nineteen.

Speaker 3 (01:35:00):
Weekends for it.

Speaker 4 (01:35:02):
We come to your life from Emerson's in Duned and
it's absolutely humming in here. Andrew Hore has arrived. We're
going to get a chance to chat to the eighty
three Test All Blacks hooker very shortly. But it's a
great pleasure to be joined by former Otago Highlanders and
All Blacks captain Tane Randall sixty one games for the
All Blacks, including fifty one Test matches, Test captain twenty

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two times, seventy seven Super rugby games for the Highlanders,
eighty three provincial games for Otago, and the big highlight
for Otago was when he led them to the NPC
First Division title in nineteen ninety eighteen. Randal with that,
it's great to see you mate, Thanks for stopping in.
How do you feel when you fly back into dneed
in a place which is so special to you?

Speaker 18 (01:35:46):
Thanks for making me feel really old, great to be.

Speaker 4 (01:35:50):
Here when you come back to Duneeda and you've got
so many rugby memories here, I'm sure what's it like
coming back because you're based in hawks Bay.

Speaker 23 (01:35:57):
Now, ay, you're based on in my families from them,
my wife's families from hawks Bay.

Speaker 12 (01:36:01):
You know.

Speaker 23 (01:36:02):
We came down here to university, had an amazing time
live for a good dozen years and just loved the place,
and I got two kids down here now right in
the thick of their university Castle Street careers, so.

Speaker 18 (01:36:15):
Probably spend more time down here than I should do.
But it's great.

Speaker 4 (01:36:18):
When I am what are you what are your fondest
memories of rugby here and Toned and down South?

Speaker 23 (01:36:24):
I think, depending I'm really happy of the career I
had made, maybe because it sort of spanned amateur sort of,
the first few years of professional Raby, which was really
semi professional where he got paid like professionals but trained
like semi.

Speaker 18 (01:36:41):
Amateurs excuse and then you know, going.

Speaker 23 (01:36:44):
Through to fully professional I really appreciated and it was
it better, was it worse?

Speaker 17 (01:36:49):
It was just different.

Speaker 23 (01:36:50):
And I think when I when I look back, you
make a lot of friends playing rugby, but the closest
friends I've got are university friends and also the ones
who also in the amateur days where you sort of
did things because you're passionate about it, and that's what
I'm really really contrasted to when I'm playing over the London.
By the time i'd finished Raby was my my respective

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was very very professional and you became workmates rather than
you know, really good friends. So when I come down here,
I catch up with the people. As I say, I
used to flat with, you, go through all that sort
of stuff, used to play rugby with. And you know,
my wife puts a limit on how many times I
come down, and I usually when I do come down,
it takes me.

Speaker 18 (01:37:32):
Months to get over. But anyway, great to be here.

Speaker 17 (01:37:35):
It's great to have you here.

Speaker 4 (01:37:36):
Just before we move on, and look at this game tonight.
That that move from amateur to professional or semi professional
as you call it. You know that spanned across the
back end of the nineties, and and NPC was still
big too, wasn't it. Otago was still you know what
was that a team you enjoyed still playing for even
though the Highlanders were there too.

Speaker 23 (01:37:53):
Yeah, you know I enjoyed playing for me both the
Tiger and the Highlands. It was seamless.

Speaker 18 (01:38:01):
Part.

Speaker 23 (01:38:02):
You know, a lot of the same guys played in
both teams. I didn't say I enjoyed one more night.
I just loved them both. And you know, my wife, ah,
would you do the same thing I do it if
given the same, given the chance, I do everything the same.

Speaker 18 (01:38:16):
If I could say, yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (01:38:18):
Love that, or I least look at this game tonight.
How do you feel about the all black side that's
been named in particular? I mean, the loose fours are interesting,
right to plevit into six, Artie Savita seven, Christian Leo,
Willie will Day Boo at eight with a couple of
looses on the bench. Do you how do you like
the mix to be?

Speaker 18 (01:38:31):
Perfectly honest?

Speaker 23 (01:38:32):
I mean, I've never been this I haven't been this
excited about an all back team for a long while.
It seems to me, finally, after a number of years,
they've actually picked a team with a strategy in mind
of how they want to play and what they want
to do, rather than picking the best players and putting
them in the team. Probably the best example, you know,
I'm right back, but Boden Barrett was World Player.

Speaker 18 (01:38:53):
Of the Year twice at first five. So what do
we do, Well, we're two good first fives.

Speaker 23 (01:38:58):
We'll put him at fullback to fit everyone in now,
Ardie Savia and Sam Cane. We had two works in
my opinion, to world class number seven, and rather than
making a really brave call of of you know, choosing
the best loose forward combination, they chose to put them
both in the team and d'gan mirror. They both played
really well already fantastic, but as I don't think they've

(01:39:21):
played it as a combination as well as they could have.
And you know, for for most, for most teams, when
you know the All Blacks are putting the best players on,
it's good enough to beat most teams in the world.
But when you're in South Africa or front of your
top two or three four teams, and Iland were not.
We weren't good enough to do that. And that's been
proven over the last number of years. And so you know,

(01:39:43):
I still know the Richie mccaugh Kiaren Reed, Jerome Cano,
the combination of one plus one plus one equals twenty
the way you know, they just had a fantastic combination.
I think fetching, hard working defense of seven, a ball
playing eight. You know, a big strong man at Sex
or thereof, we've sort of hadn't done that for the

(01:40:03):
last five or six years. And I see, you know,
with with Ardi at seven, Lear Williet artist, artist is fantastic.

Speaker 18 (01:40:10):
He's a fantastic over the wall and his great running.

Speaker 23 (01:40:12):
You will Willie big work rate defensively and there's some
risk with to perveil on on on the blind side.
But you know he he fits physically the description of
a number six in terms of really given that I
believe we've got the sort of seven and eight role
in place, he fits the description of what competes the combination.

(01:40:34):
So you I love all us for Trio, just the
fact that they've chosen a combination. And the same way
with Billy Procter and at center.

Speaker 18 (01:40:44):
You know where I think about key roles, what is it?

Speaker 17 (01:40:46):
What is the center?

Speaker 7 (01:40:47):
Do you know?

Speaker 23 (01:40:47):
In New Zealand overseas teams fair outside wingers. Now, we've
historically had strike wingers who just you know, get the
ball and they cause damage. They're not high work rate
little guys that big impact winger Joan olom You, Sibvatu,
the whole, just big impact wingers. And with rec he's
a winger to me. But the core role of the

(01:41:09):
center two things I believe. Firstly, defensive organization. Billy Proctor's
got that.

Speaker 10 (01:41:13):
Now.

Speaker 18 (01:41:14):
Rico is a great.

Speaker 23 (01:41:15):
Defender one on one, big hitter, but in terms of organization,
he's not Frank, but he's not Conrad Smith.

Speaker 18 (01:41:21):
And that's what I think. Bully procter Us and the
other key one, the key role as I see the
center is get the ball to our wingers.

Speaker 23 (01:41:29):
With Rico, he's devastate, played incredibly well, but I guess
the issue we had there. He'd do really well in
the midfield in terms of making breaks, but we never
saw our wingers as much as we should have. I'm
hoping that tonight, with you Bully at center and Rico
on the wing, that Rico gets at least three tries
because we're getting the ball to the wing.

Speaker 4 (01:41:50):
This is just outstanding and Ellis's honestly, this is just brilliant.
I just be writing all of this down for use
during the commentary later on. The all Blacks are up
against the side, they should be comfortably. We know France haven't.
Haven't sent anywhere close to what is their top side
as an all black and an all black side approach
a game like that when it could be a bit
of a no win situation. Really, if you wouldn't, you're

(01:42:10):
supposed to. If you don't when convincingly, you probably get
you know, some bad headlines.

Speaker 23 (01:42:15):
Yeah, and in a funny way, Okay, the top teams,
it's going to take a lot of edge off the series.
And but I when I look at the All Backs
team what they've known. It's actually a great option that
the French team are going to be difficult.

Speaker 17 (01:42:27):
What they've done.

Speaker 18 (01:42:28):
They've chosen some big, big fourds.

Speaker 23 (01:42:30):
It's going to be a physical battle, and I think
that's you know, I think from our given the way
that I think the All Backs have changed strategic direction
in a way. I yeah, maybe not as impactful as series,
but I think the long run, if we can get
a really good run at these guys and they will

(01:42:50):
be difficult, it'll be a hard guy's going to get
battered in this game, it'll be quite a good we
may look back and go Actually, that was quite a
good series for us to really kick start the way
that Scott Robertson and et cetera have chosen to go.

Speaker 4 (01:43:05):
Just before you go, Jonah, before that test in two
thousand in Sydney, one hundred and ten thousand people, your
pass to Jonah to send him away for the winning try.
Where does that rank among your favorite rugby moments?

Speaker 18 (01:43:20):
That would be up there? He never did thank me
for setting him up, and.

Speaker 23 (01:43:27):
I Jonah we played at school set all the way
through under sixties and that sort of stuff.

Speaker 18 (01:43:31):
He was just phenomenal.

Speaker 23 (01:43:32):
I as I said, I loved every moment of my
rugby career, but that game, especially given that you know,
Ossie with a world champion, you a little bit to
make up on been dropped as the All Black captain,
and it was just a phenomenal game. And the fact
people are still talking about it twenty odd years later,
and not just New Zealand as others as well, I
think shows the impact that that game had to be.

Speaker 18 (01:43:55):
You know, at the time we were and fantastics only.
I guess I.

Speaker 23 (01:44:00):
Didn't really think it took a lot longer. I think
afterwards maybe the bears of dim the memory, but that
one that makes that one stick out more.

Speaker 18 (01:44:09):
But I'm very proud of done that.

Speaker 23 (01:44:10):
And yeah, as I say, it was a great, great occasion,
and yeah we're still talking about now, so that can't.

Speaker 4 (01:44:17):
Be too bad, absolutely right, Tane. It's great to have
you stopping here at Emerson's to chat to us, enjoy
the game tonight. Really appreciate your time, Jess. As Tane
Randall among the patrons here at Emerson's, everywhere you look
you see somebody with a bit of rugby history. Great
to have Tane Randall join us. It is really humming
along here at Emerson's Brewery now as we head towards

(01:44:39):
the timing, I'm just trying to think of what time
you'd have to leave here to get to the stadium.
It's only a ten minute walk really, so I don't know.
I get the feeling people will still be here sort
of well past six o'clock. There might be a couple
of stragglers past six thirty, but the short walk down
to Forsyth Bars Stadium for the punters in here at
Emerson's will be a very pleasant one. When I say pleasant,

(01:45:01):
it is meant to clear. It was raining reasonably heavily yesterday,
sort of annoying. I think I had it described to
me as a little bit of more of that today.
But it won't damp in the spirits, and of course
under the roof tonight it won't make any difference at all.
Lea take a break and then bring in another former
All Black, another former All Black captain of rugby World
Cup winner Andrew Horr is here. Can have a chat

(01:45:22):
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Speaker 1 (01:46:13):
Good Live from Emerson's Brewery in Dneda. It's Weekends scored
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Speaker 4 (01:46:24):
They'd be two thirty three years Come into your life
from Emerson's Brewery and Dunedin On the Dad the first
All Blacks test of the year always amazing. Who you
run into eighty three test All Black Andrew or Hollo mate?

Speaker 8 (01:46:34):
Mate?

Speaker 4 (01:46:34):
Yeah very well, thank you mate, good to see you.
And amongst the punters here at some this wouldn't have
been your first trip to Emerson's. I wouldn't imagine, no, but.

Speaker 17 (01:46:42):
It's quite a handy spot, isn't it. Go a few
vs here and someone down on the rugby sart's perfect?

Speaker 4 (01:46:46):
Yeah, absolutely perfect. What are you up to these days?

Speaker 12 (01:46:48):
Mate?

Speaker 17 (01:46:49):
Just back home running the farm. So took over the
farm ten years ago or something. So last year is
pretty tough, the thinser strakes and prices and this year's
things are looking pretty good. So farm is good and
fun and just away from it down here. What's a
bit of foody in a catch up a few people
over the weekend?

Speaker 4 (01:47:04):
How far away from from central Dunedin is your farm?

Speaker 17 (01:47:08):
Probably two hours in the car? Okay? Yeah? If you
don't have any stops?

Speaker 19 (01:47:14):
Do you?

Speaker 12 (01:47:15):
So?

Speaker 7 (01:47:15):
What is your what is you?

Speaker 4 (01:47:16):
You obviously talked about watching rugby these days? Do you
have any more official involvement?

Speaker 12 (01:47:21):
Uh?

Speaker 17 (01:47:21):
Not really help out? See the Targo team were a
couple of mates and I coached at for the Top
Cup which we had to win this year on Alex
is pretty good and to see how about the young
fellow and has unopen grade TV here and Toneda how old.
See he's twelve, so he's been around and seeing us
here a Jordy be out this morning, so he's pumped
about that. And I felt like a little group at

(01:47:43):
the hotel. But there's sweets, so he's right into love it.

Speaker 4 (01:47:46):
So what's Andrew or the rugby coach? Like, are you
you know what? What's what's your coaching style? Uh?

Speaker 17 (01:47:53):
Just pretty much I rolled just off the cuff really,
no videos or anything like that. Just get out there
and enjoy it. And if I can get the nineteen
and the ball through of the wing, I've had a
good day.

Speaker 4 (01:48:05):
Does your boy do they have positions at twelve? Like
will he be a front run?

Speaker 3 (01:48:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (01:48:11):
He's he's keen on all the things that are hard
to coach. He loves tackling and getting into the turnovers
and that stuff. And if it's rain yet, he's disappointing.
So he's really passionate about it. But as long as
he enjoys it, his little sister comes along and tags
on as well, so it's it started to look more
and more like rugby.

Speaker 4 (01:48:26):
Love it, love it. I think your provincial day boobers
for Otago, wasn't it ninety eight?

Speaker 17 (01:48:30):
Yes, back in ninety eight when I think I played
the start of the only game he lost to Waikato
that year. But now that was great. We got there
in a very semi professional one the NBC that year,
so it sponsive.

Speaker 4 (01:48:41):
Yeah, we just had Tane Randall on. He said exactly that.
I think he was captain that year. That it was
well super rugby had been there for a couple of
three years, but it was semi professional when it first started.
Does that how you remember it as well? When you
first became a print.

Speaker 17 (01:48:54):
Oh yeah, for sure. It was a Tuesday Thursday training
is a big thing him had just started. I think
we got a Votera phone cell phone for the first
time and anyone had the Snake game on that. So
it's come a long way and some obviously a lot
of good stuff and some bed stuff. There's a lot
more tries in that squared back in the day with
there's a lot more space. So yeah, rugby keeps involving.

Speaker 4 (01:49:15):
I suppose I was at a function with you a
year ago and you were talking about how rugby has
changed a lot. It's changed a lot in many ways
on the field but also off the field, and you
made a great point about it, how sometimes things can
just be sorted out over a beer, but that doesn't
happen quite so much these.

Speaker 17 (01:49:30):
Not as much there. Yeah, it's funny I Penny and
Emerson's and to do such a big thing for rugby
and stuff. But yeah, a lot of things can be
sort of over a beer and some can't be. But
I suppose the modern era don't really like talking to
people and skinning out and socialized as much as we
used to, and we probably didn't like going to the
gym as much as they do. So it's a there's
a happy medium somewhere used to How do you.

Speaker 4 (01:49:51):
Reflect on your rugby your career though all I mean
it was a terrific career, eighty three test matches, rugby
World Cup won, you went to two World Cups, you
kept in the All Blacks in twenty eleven against Canada.
How do you think back on it much?

Speaker 17 (01:50:04):
Not a great deal, was pretty lucky really, so obviously
a big change. And I talked about that thing well
into last year. I was getting out of the getting
out of a compas zone and moving up to Taranicky
and focused on footy up there and on the way
lucky enough captain by the Leaserary Andy Slater and then
got called with the Crusaders and had Todd Blackhead was
a skipper those days, so it was a lot different.

(01:50:26):
You'd get into a team, you get thrown one hundred
thousand dollars and told look after it how you think
And then finally we worked out that as probably wasn't
the best thought of you to give twenty or one
year olds that much money, and we moved on. It's
changed so much. You got provisional development and you know,
the academies and all those sorts of things are coming along,
so it's changed a lot, but yeah, there's still a

(01:50:48):
lot of good good on the old days as well.

Speaker 4 (01:50:49):
You did you consider yourself just to be just did
you consider yourself to be a farmer who played rugby
or a rugby come from.

Speaker 17 (01:50:56):
The bar very much a farmer who played rugby for
the start, And then when I went away it's sort
of clicked a little bit towards her later on two
thousand and seven on, it was more this is I
actually can play the game properly and deserve to be here.
So it was great, well lasted. It's not so good
now and he got out of bed and trying to
pull the socks and that on. But uh, that's our Yeah,

(01:51:16):
wouldn't change anything.

Speaker 4 (01:51:17):
We could certainly play two thousand and eight. You see
on Rugby Player of the Year. Can I tell you
about the Rugby World Cup Final? You came off the
last half hour? What was that half hour like?

Speaker 17 (01:51:26):
Uh? It was pretty good being out there because you
could probably do something about it. Yeah, other four million
of us couldn't. But we're doing some un characteristic things.
I think we're out there and just so I got
on the air, Skipper did a quick quick kickoff that's
never been done before. We sort of we panted a
little bit, but in the end the old heads any
allis Ali Williams myself, I think lucky enough had a

(01:51:48):
bit of experience on the bench and we come through
and I was never in doubt. Really was it?

Speaker 6 (01:51:52):
Well?

Speaker 9 (01:51:52):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:51:52):
No, well seven you know I'm not. No one was
nervous at all. As you say they're being out there,
I guess you can't. You know what would have been
worth sitting on the.

Speaker 17 (01:52:01):
Beach, would yeah to be hopeless, Yeah, I say out there,
and as I suppose you trained for those in the
bigger moments. I think I had to throw the ball
on at the end and to Breadthorn to seal the game.
So it was probably more relief than anything for the
whole New Zealand that we finally got over the line.
And as I said, it was very hard. Alcoholics don't
get enough appreciation to draw and drink every down of

(01:52:22):
the week for teen days sort of caught up on us.

Speaker 4 (01:52:26):
Isn't true that the Freaks boys went to the gym
the next morning?

Speaker 14 (01:52:29):
Uh?

Speaker 17 (01:52:29):
Yeah, they were on the way to the gym and
I was trying to form a room, so it was yeah.
And we're all good mates as well, So there was
this part of sports of the opposite the track and
we all get on for a common cause and we
were lucky enough to win the World Cup and then
the dream Runner carried on to the twenty fifteen which
was a was a great series as well.

Speaker 4 (01:52:50):
So presumably you're going to the game tonight, even just
come up for the for the Emerson's hospitality.

Speaker 17 (01:52:54):
No, we can't get Emersons up we're all come from
the farm, not just come down of the game. And
yeah beaving us, have you had a few mates and yes,
that feeling like you were something on Wallager good stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:53:04):
And so your okay still to work on the farm.
Then the sort of the niggles you know from rugby
don't affect that.

Speaker 17 (01:53:10):
Uh yeah, just can't run or fast or you still
doing anything like that, But yeah, the niggles are there.
I didn't play rugby, wouldn't have a farm either, So
that's another way to look at it. So I gotta
have a lot out of rugby. And yeah, and hopefully
we could carry on and have good times and watch
good Test match night.

Speaker 4 (01:53:25):
Yeah, let's look forth to it. Great to see you mate,
thanks for stopping in. I hate to separate a man
from his ber So you get that Emerson's and go
and continue your socialize and good to see your mate.

Speaker 17 (01:53:35):
See your sex mate.

Speaker 4 (01:53:36):
It's Andrew Hoore, former All Blacks Howker joining us here
on on weekend sport here at Emerson's in Dunedin. It's yeah,
it's a real buzz here. It's it says, I say,
just a short jaunt, a short walk to forsythe pastadium
from here. It's been wonderful to be hosted at Emerson's
this afternoon. We'll take a break and then we're going
to wrap the show with a bit of Southern royalty.

(01:53:57):
Jamie McKay, host of the Country, probably the most famous
man in Dunedin, is going to come and have a
chat to us, joined by a member of the team
here at Emerson's, to tell us a little bit about
the place and what the rest of the night might
look like. It's News Talks EDB. It's Weekend Sport and
it is nineteen away from three.

Speaker 1 (01:54:16):
Counting down to the first All Blacks Tests of twenty
twenty five on your Home of Sport. Is Weekend Sport
with Jason Pine and GJ. Gunn Homes New Zealand's most
trusted home builder, News talk EDB.

Speaker 4 (01:54:29):
Two forty four on News Talks VB and Weekend Sport.
Our time here at Emerson's, well in a radio sense anyway,
is sadly coming to an end. It would not be
difficult for all to settle in here for the next
few hours. I must tell you before kickoff at five
past seven and talk about leaving the best tall last,
joined by Emerson sales and marketing manager Greg Menzi's nice
to see you, Greg, Hey, piny, very good, thanks mate.

(01:54:51):
And the most famous man in Dunedin Jamie mckaye, host
of the Country Officer of the New Zealand Order of Merit,
and the name behind a beer that's brewed behind us
here Jamie.

Speaker 16 (01:55:00):
Yeah, well, I'm proud to have their association with Emerson's.
It's a long standing one proof that their product works. Piney,
But I just want to get a week correction in
for you. The most important man in Dunedin is far
from me. I think Richard Emerson and Greg would agree
with me. For Godfather, I don't think he's here today, no.

Speaker 5 (01:55:19):
And he won't be hearing this because he's quite deaf.

Speaker 16 (01:55:21):
Yeah, okay, well but he's a great bloke. He's the
most important man in Derneda. We'll transcribe it and give
it to him.

Speaker 4 (01:55:27):
He founded the brewery in nineteen ninety two, of course
they did, Greg, And you've been open here. We worked
out before the show nine years ago yesterday, Yeah, celebrating
the ninth anniversary. This place is great, man, Is this
what you imagine? Nine years ago?

Speaker 24 (01:55:41):
We hoped it would be really good we knew that
being right like four hundred meters from the stadium, it
was going to be a great venue to go to
before events, and so we really hoped it would turn
into something like this, and it's a great place. So
it's just as has an amazing hum to it at
the moment.

Speaker 4 (01:55:55):
That's the ambiance is the thing. You know, you arrive
in a place and you think this place has got
a great vibe about it. So I think they were
also telling me, you know, before we start that you
kind of wanted it as a bit of a I
guess a bit of an advertising billboard really, but it's
actually grown into something which is pretty substantial for you.

Speaker 5 (01:56:13):
Yeah, it's a pretty big hospital outlett.

Speaker 12 (01:56:15):
Now.

Speaker 24 (01:56:16):
We did originally think it was just going to be
like a marketing exercise in having the face of Emerson's,
but it's turned into a real hub of the community
in Doneda and so we're really proud.

Speaker 5 (01:56:25):
Of what we've done here and what people have made it. Really,
the Duanedan people have made it, not us.

Speaker 4 (01:56:29):
It's great speaking of the Dandian people. You know, it
is a test weekend in Donedian and I reckon more
than any other city in the country. You can go
to Auckland, Jamie on a Test weekend and not really
know that there's a Test match on until it arrives.
I got here yesterday and there's no way you can
go ten minutes in Dunedin without knowing it's Test weekend.

Speaker 7 (01:56:47):
Yeah, and it is a big deal for US.

Speaker 17 (01:56:48):
Auckland blessed.

Speaker 16 (01:56:50):
Auckland has lots of other things going on, so it
is a Test weekend is huge here and Gregg's being
a bit modest, but Emerson's is second only to learn
at Castle almost as an attraction here in Dunedan.

Speaker 5 (01:57:02):
And when it comes to tests in the translation as well.

Speaker 14 (01:57:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:57:05):
It all started back in the twenty eleven Rugby World Cup,
all happening in the Octagon and the fan walk from
the Octagon to Forsyth Bar is only about twenty minutes,
but this four or five hundred meters away from the
stadium is a compulsory stop off for out of town
as I always take them in here and the Emerson's
brand is global, I guess these days. But North Islanders

(01:57:26):
got some mates down from the Tapuki Rugby Club and
they just love this place. They were waiting at the
front door at about nine o'clock this morning, and why
not and why wouldn't you.

Speaker 4 (01:57:37):
There's been a bit of chat obviously about christ you're
getting its new stadium and the fact that that may
affect Greg what you get here in terms of test matches.
But as I was saying across the show, rugby in
July should be under a roof Surely, surely test matches
will continue to be played in Dneeda.

Speaker 5 (01:57:52):
Well, you'd hope.

Speaker 24 (01:57:53):
So I really hope that Danna is still considered for
test matches because it is a great atmosphere in the
city and the city does thrive on the rugby and
so yeah, we'd be great to see the test matches
stay here, but we'll see what happens.

Speaker 5 (01:58:05):
Well, you never know what's going to be around the corner.

Speaker 4 (01:58:07):
What is the talk to Are people at all concerned that,
you know, with another roofed stadium and a new one
up the road that is going to have to be
fed with test matches and events that Forsyth far might
fall down the pecking order a little bit or not.

Speaker 24 (01:58:19):
Definitely concerned about it, And I think, I mean, there's
always a honeymoon period for any stadium, so we would
imagine that Christis would get a few good games over
the next few years, but eventually they'll come back to Janeda,
I think.

Speaker 16 (01:58:30):
And yeah, yeah, Piney, I don't think the biggest limitation
is the size of the stadium. They're both about thirty
thousand each. And I was listening to you as we
were coming in earlier this afternoon, and you'll bang on
the three tests in the July window Northern Hemisphere teams.
Two of the three are simply played under a roof,
so that solves that problem. But the biggest problem here

(01:58:50):
in Dunedin is the lack of accommodation. And I think
that's where I worry that we're going to miss out
for Christchurch because obviously they're rebuilding a new city, they've
got better accommodation options than us because people are sometimes
for the big tests here, people might have to travel
from Bellclus or Amrou if they're looking for a bed.
So that's the limiting factor, not the stadium.

Speaker 4 (01:59:12):
Yeah, but I think that, and then I think, Okay,
well it's sold out tonight, so everybody's got to stay somewhere.
We've all made it here, haven't we haven't we made
it here? I mean the stadium is not going to
get any bigger, so we can fit thirty thousand people
in there, or whatever it is. We can accommodate thirty
thousand people.

Speaker 17 (01:59:28):
I get it.

Speaker 4 (01:59:28):
You've got to drive Wamoru or Bellcluther. People are still
going to come, aren't they greet?

Speaker 5 (01:59:32):
Well, they'll still come, definitely.

Speaker 24 (01:59:34):
I've actually got a mate in here at the moment
who emailed me last week and see Courtie Parker's CAMPAVN
in the Emerson's car park, and I was going, O, mate,
we can't do that.

Speaker 5 (01:59:42):
There's plenty of room down at the Oval. They can
move in down there.

Speaker 12 (01:59:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:59:47):
Do you sort of turn up on a morning and
see that somebody has broken that rule?

Speaker 8 (01:59:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:59:52):
I reckon tomorrow morning, the car park or Sylvie as
full as it is now. Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 4 (01:59:56):
Well that's good sensible. You know drink driving protocols, Jamie.
Before we go the game tonight, what are you expecting?

Speaker 8 (02:00:04):
Well?

Speaker 16 (02:00:04):
I look through the French team Piney, and I didn't
recognize any names at all. Look, I really like this
all black team. I'm so pleased that Billy Proctors at
center and Riccoe Joanne's on the wing where he should
never have left in my mind. And I like Ardie
Savilla at number seven, and I and some people are
concerned about two Pouvia. He's such a great athlete. I

(02:00:26):
was a big fan of Scott Barrett being a long
term six for the All Blacks. If we're going to
beat South Africa in Auckland on September the sixth, we
need big buggers, so we don't want small, loose forwards
like we've had in the past. We need big locks
and Fabian Holland is definitely one of those, and then
a big bugger at six. So I'm really looking forward
to seeing how Tupiva goes.

Speaker 4 (02:00:47):
All right, and Greg to finish, what's your best seller?
What if someone wandered in and had never heard of
Emerson's before, what would you be offering them?

Speaker 5 (02:00:55):
Posna by Fire as our biggest selling beer.

Speaker 24 (02:00:57):
And then there's Jamie's your favorite beer, which is haze
to confused to the Hazy Opa.

Speaker 5 (02:01:01):
So yeah, those two are probably the ones.

Speaker 7 (02:01:03):
And Makaiser.

Speaker 24 (02:01:05):
We haven't got Machai's on TAT yet. We haven't started
brewing that one yet, so it might be discontinued.

Speaker 4 (02:01:11):
Look everything become we might have a piney point we
might have.

Speaker 5 (02:01:15):
A Piney point.

Speaker 4 (02:01:15):
Yeah, look, time moves on. Time waits for no man, Jamie, Greg.
Great to see you, Greg, Thanks you, Thanks for hosting
its mate. It's been awesome here today and let's let's
lock it in for a tenth anniversary special next year.
Love it all right and well done, Pioneered. The show's
sounding a million bucks. Good stuff. It's very kind of you, Jamie,
Jamie McKay and Greg Menzies. It's nine away from three
here at News Talks eNB.

Speaker 1 (02:01:38):
Really live from Emerson's Brewery in Duneda as your Blacks
return to the field.

Speaker 3 (02:01:44):
Weekend Sport with Jason Pine and GJ.

Speaker 1 (02:01:47):
Gunner homes New Zealand's most trusted home builder on your
home of Sport.

Speaker 4 (02:01:51):
News Talks ed B coming up five to three and
that just about wraps us from Emerson's Brewery this afternoon.
Weekend Sport coming to you from Test City, Dunedin. Six
o'clock tonight. Our build up starts five past seven is
kickoff and we'll have full life commentary of every All
Blacks test this year here on News Talks. He'd be
huge thanks to my on site support team, I on

(02:02:13):
site Broadcasting Resource Martin and Holly. Great to have you
too here helping out today. Thanks to Anny McDonald back
on the studio for pulling the show together. A fantastic
Southern show today which earns you the right to to
find a song to go out with.

Speaker 25 (02:02:28):
Yeah, Poney, it's obviously first All Blacks Test Week Tour
de France starts. Of course, You're down and toned and
Jamie showed up. It all seems to be the vibe.
All seems to be pointing to one song, and that
is Thinnlerzi's The Boys are back in town.

Speaker 3 (02:02:46):
Love it.

Speaker 4 (02:02:47):
We'll see tomorrow to unpack it all on the Weekend
Sport the Sunday edition. Enjoy the rest of your Saturday.
See them right a town?

Speaker 3 (02:03:39):
You job have you und people.

Speaker 1 (02:03:57):
Side More from Weekends Sport with Jason Fine. Listen live
to news Talks at b Weekends from midday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.

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