Full Show Podcast: 12 April 2026

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of our normal programming, and our normal programming is Weekend Sport,
our Saturday night storylines. The Warriors have broken the curse,
The Warriors. The difficit was my magnificent was VOSSI couldn't
have said it better myself. Stacy Jones standing by to
talk with us. The Hurricanes meantime looking frightening.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
The Hurricanes at home have dealt to the Blues.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
It was build as one v two. We thought it
was going to be close. It's been anything but. Hurricanes
head coach Clarke Ladler on the show after one as
they stay top with a game in hand and score
forty for the fifth time in seven matches, this time
against the second place Blues. They are the real deal,
aren't they? The Hurricanes? The real deal will also get

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into the Masters at Augusta, where Rory McElroy's records six
shot lead the two rounds has been completely whittled away.
He's now tied for the lead with American Cameron Young,
who shot seven under McElroy won over. Those two are
tied at eleven under the card through three rounds at Augusta.

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Going to start with the Warriors, there was seventeen game
losing streak against the Storm broken in emphatic fashion Stacy Jones.
Shortly then your calls, Warriors fans, let's luxuriate in this one.
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Speaker 1 (02:44):
When there's a line call, it's your call. Weekend Sport
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Speaker 2 (02:51):
After more than a decade of frustration and seventeen straight defeats,
the New Zealand Warriors have finally done it, not just
beating the Melbourne Storm, but doing so in emphatic fashion.
In Melbourne Tuesday, head of turns, quick hits.

Speaker 4 (03:09):
By the Warriors.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
The B differs, it was.

Speaker 5 (03:14):
It's a statement night for the Warriors, the Wars, the
Masters cleaned.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Up both fisher hass Oh goodness, this has.

Speaker 6 (03:25):
Been a passer, a special whatever else, a messia whatever you.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Was, bright out the hellf he may score, he gets
it a way forward. Warriors have go.

Speaker 5 (03:38):
They've done it, They've broken the draft and they have
done it in the most emphatic fashion.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Thirty eight points to fourteen. The Warriors betting the Storm
last night. Assistant coach Stacy Jones as with us before
the team flies back to New Zealand Stacey, congratulations to you,
the coaching team and the players as well. What pleased
you the most? Was it the result or the manner
in which it was done?

Speaker 7 (04:04):
Yeah, but of both actually obviously been spoken about during
the week, you know, with the drought that had happened,
and obviously Melbourne also being in a bit of a
slub with three losses in a row, so certainly knew
what we were coming up against. But yeah, I was

(04:25):
very pleasing both sides that we were able to put
together a very good performance but also performance you know
that would come so close over so many times and
you haven't got the points. But very pleasing.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
How do you deal with that? Stayce during the week?
I mean, there's no getting away from it. You know,
it's a long time since you've beaten this this particular opponent.
Is there any sense that you want to forget about
history or do you use it as motivation to be
you guys can be the ones to make about a history.

Speaker 8 (04:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (04:54):
Look, it was probably the first time that we're spoken
about it so many times.

Speaker 9 (04:58):
You know.

Speaker 7 (05:00):
That we really had boards. We have a little bit
over this because we played for the Michael Trophy and
because they said Michael Moore was the football manager for
Melbourne Storm twenty six years ago when he passed away
tragically in Auckland, and we played for the Michael Moore
Trophy and you know, no disrespect to Melbourne, but it
means a lot to them. You know that the trophy

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doesn't mean as much to us, but it's certainly something
that we play for him, and you get the trophy
after the game, and you know, we said this is
their trophy, let's let's go and take it off then,
and the boys were very motivated by that. And there's
been a few boys that have been on the wrong
end of the scoreline for the last five or six
years that have been here, so we're certainly very pleasing

(05:44):
pleasing for them to be able to go there and
get the job done.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Was there a scene early in the game stays that
that it was going to be the night that the
streak ended.

Speaker 10 (05:55):
I don't no, not at all.

Speaker 11 (05:57):
Lot.

Speaker 7 (05:57):
They're a very dangerous team. You know, we were very
clinical at the start of the game, and then obviously
Melbourne scored two quick tries midway through that first half
period and got themselves back in the game. So there
was never any sort of moments that we thought, okay,
this is right up to your five minutes ago. I
know we're be in the box next to him and

(06:18):
you know he was. Yeah, it was a very nerve
wracking moments in there with them. Yeah, certainly made sure
that the boys didn't take their their foot off the pedal.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
The physicality really stood out. Was that a specific focus?
I know it's a physical game anyway, but specifically against
the Melbourne side that un known for their toughness.

Speaker 7 (06:38):
Yep, oh, without a doubt, you know, and this is
the nature of the game. You know, you've got to
play a physical game, especially when it's a big game
like this when we played always when we play Melbourne,
you know, there's a huge Kiwi contingent in Melbourne that
get behind the team and you know, the fascality of
it is where you got to know where the games
won and lost. And I thought our middles up front

(06:59):
played a really good platform, and I thought our backfield
you know, delivered on it as well.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
And Roger to leave us a check and the center's superb.
You reckon he might play, but they're going forward.

Speaker 7 (07:13):
Yeah, he didn't look at the place and you know
the last time we played Melbourn, Malvin beat us on
the hooter Melbourn. Roger played in the sceners, played left
center that day and he probably had his best game
for us in that position for quite some time. And
you know the good thing about Roger, he's open to anything,
you know, and he was very accommodating and he looked

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after Loffy Camperreira, they're making his debut, and you know,
they had a really good connection throughout the week. And yeah, look,
Roger's just the ultimate, ultimate professional, and he knew what
his job was.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
So how do you bottle this station? And I mean
it's not going to be a one off, but how
do you how do you bottle it? But also quickly
refocus on the Titans?

Speaker 7 (07:53):
Now, yeah, good, good question there, Jayson. Look, look, the
competition's so so good, so tight, so strong, that you
know you can't take your eye off it for one
little moment. And you know, we're certainly very pleased with
the performance. But you know, look, you know last.

Speaker 11 (08:11):
Week, week before that, we we were we.

Speaker 7 (08:13):
Come off sick and best, and you know, you only
have to be up the game a little bit, and
you know, we know that, you know, we know that
we know that that that performance that we put together
last night's a benchmark for us.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Just to finish as someone who's been part of this
club for so long personally for you, how special was
it to finally break that streak? We can stop talking
about it now.

Speaker 7 (08:34):
Yeah, look, you know it was a was a moment
for these boys that they can savor and so yeah,
we were we were a part.

Speaker 11 (08:40):
Of that that group that.

Speaker 7 (08:41):
That went over to Melbourne and and beat them, you know,
because it's it's no easy task and yeah, very very happy.
So yeah, hopefully it'll make for a good week for
us and focus on on a bigger game, big game
against Titans next Saturday, I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Well, congrats to you on the team, on the on
the winn Stacey, thanks for chatting and safe travels back.
Thank you, Jason, No, thank you Stacey very much. Indeed
for taking our call. Stay Jones, assistant coach of the Warriors.
Warriors thirty eight storm fourteen Warriors fans, let's get you
on the air are eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
totally deserved one emphatic the perfect response to back to

(09:19):
back defeats. Could have actually been more delan wa Teni's
les Now a couple of tries would have had a
third of Taine to Olpicky had passed to him with
the line open. Thought Chanelle Harris Tavita was good in
the sixth jumper. There's a conversation to be had there,
right And look, I'll absolutely admit that I was worried
about Luke Metcalfe's absence. I think I've said this a

(09:39):
couple of times. I was worried about his absence for
the first bit of the season. He's come back and
he's now re injured himself a different injury, of course.
But I thought Chanelle Harris Tavita was good in the
sixth jumper. So are we in a situation now where
Luke Metcalfe might have to actually be a bit patient?

(09:59):
It seems incredible, doesn't it? To say it a little
bit the same with Mitch Barnett when he comes back again.
Jackson Ford, Jackson Ford is playing like a man possessed.
He is tremendous, utterly tremendous. And that tackle by Roger

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to I Vasaschek on Will Warbrick and the response to it.
Warbrick's coming to the Warriors next year. Of course he'll
be delighted to well. Roger won't be their of course,
but he'll be delighted to be on the same team.
But when Roger hit him as he was going for
the corner and just barreled him into touch and then
got up and everyone got around him, and he's wagging

(10:45):
his finger saying you're not going over on my watch,
I just thought that was It just showed how much
it meant to this team. Last night was so good.
I had a long day yesterday, Not that this is
about me, but I got up at just before four
yesterday morning to fly to Auckland. Did a radio show yesterday,
then I did a commentary of an Auckland FC. Came

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back and watched the Hurricanes against the Blues. And now
I might be a bit tired, but I had the
Warriors on. I got my second wind. I cot a
second wind man. How good were they?

Speaker 12 (11:19):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty twelve, twenty seven
calls were already stacking up. We'll get as many on
there as we can. Back in a sec with your
reaction to this whodo breaking win by the Warriors thirty
eight fourteen over the storm back with your calls. After
this hard tackles, harder opinions, we can sport with Chas
and Pine news talks. That'd be twelve thirty just before

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we go to the lines, recapping the main points from
this afternoon's stand up in Auckland regarding cyclone Vayan Who
Emergency Management mister Mark Mitchell says the cyclones moved more
to the east, so we're not seeing the intensity we
were initially expecting. Teams working to restore powder homes across Northland,
Auckland and in the Bay of Plenty. Several roads have
been closed, including the Auckland Harbor Bridge as a precaution.

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Will bring you any more information that you need as
it comes to hands, Paul made How good was that?

Speaker 9 (12:12):
After being pointy? A very pleasing win. Yeah, this this
competition is just unbelievably hard to pick. You know, the
resurgence of the Sea Eagles, the tigers resurgence, know that
the Panther's got gualty by the Bulldogs. You know, you
just see these things coming and no one saw this coming.

(12:32):
In fact, you know, I think the the Warriors were
playing playing three dollars three three dollars fifty or something,
so no one picked him to dominate Melbourne at home
coming off. You know, three four losses in a row,
you know, can't underestimate the effort. But there's just no coincidence.

(12:53):
I feel there's no coincidence that can a boy when
when he's the main man running the ship in terms
of the game management that he thrives and there's there's
cohesion there and him was th ht to me is
a perfect combination and unfortunately Metcalf is a fantastic player.
We all know that, but I just don't think they

(13:13):
can work well together because they both want to run,
to drive the boat or you know, to steer the
boat and see the game. So whether he's got some
thinking to do along those.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Lines, mate, what would you do if it was you?

Speaker 9 (13:30):
So it was mate, I would stick with the status quo.
You have to. You have to stick with what's winning.
We saw what happened when Metcalff came back in. I
don't want to get down on Metcalf because he is
a fantastic player, but if they try to get combination
again and it doesn't work, well, you know, there's a
proof in the pudding. I thought the team last night

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was the perfect team really to take on the Storm.
The only the only thing to change up would make
is when Capewell comes back, Maratha goes to the bench.
But other than that, you know, the Bulldogs show the
way the blueprint held to beat these teams when they
smashed the Panthers. You know the line speed aggression, fight
fire with fire, you know, up up the middle, really fast,

(14:13):
play the balls with speed. That's how you beat those
good teams. And the Warriors did last night. Did that
last night. They reminded me of their two team who
teams fared because they were so physical and dominating, and
last night they were playing with the Storm like they
were you know, schoolboys. So fantastic mate, But as you know,
it's it's a rollercoaster being a wise fan. Next week,
next week, you know, don't be surprised that, you know,

(14:35):
if you fall off the wagon. But there is something
special made about this team. And I'll be there next
week giving the boys cheering the mind make for.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Sure, love, Well, you're so right, mate, We've got the
Titans next week, right, should go? And when that game easy?

Speaker 13 (14:47):
Right?

Speaker 2 (14:47):
You beat the Titans? Was it?

Speaker 14 (14:49):
Well?

Speaker 2 (14:49):
That long ago?

Speaker 9 (14:49):
Was it?

Speaker 2 (14:50):
They put sixty on us or something. I remember that
night so clearly.

Speaker 9 (14:54):
Yeah, well, I remember sitting in the stand last year,
sitting in the standing and obviously be a good game,
will when comfortably and the Titans dealt to us. So
you know, it's just the nature that competition. You can't
go into any game.

Speaker 11 (15:09):
Nine percent.

Speaker 9 (15:10):
You have to go on. You have to you have
to be on every single game. It's tough to do,
I know, but especially at home. You know you have
to be on.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Mate, good man, Paul. Always enjoy your calls, mate, thanks
for calling through one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Frank,
you'd be happy.

Speaker 15 (15:25):
Very happy. Finally, very happy. I thought after last week
my flocker swallows had turned into a pack of lane ducks.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
But what are they now? What are we talking? Are
they soaring eagles? Perhaps I'm probably stretching the metaphor, but
far are we?

Speaker 15 (15:40):
Yeah, well we don't want sowing eagles. They'll attack this swallow. No,
the swallows are starting to build up again.

Speaker 8 (15:46):
No.

Speaker 15 (15:47):
I was absolutely gobsmacked by the way we turned around, obviously,
as that gentleman was saying. The last one that Metcalf.
Although he is such a brilliant player, but I just
felt that he was brought back too soon. He should
have been perhaps put into the second squad to get
get him an absolutely match fit, or even say the

(16:10):
last twenty minutes of that last game. But Boyd obviously
wasn't playing, didn't have that kind of freedom that he
has now with Harris de Vida and now with the
engine room boys. I'm in Fisher, Harris Jackson, Ford Clark,
Halla Seema, what a what a wrecking ball Halla Seema
is God, It's it's just unbelievable. And then what was

(16:33):
had Valmika came back. I mean, it just shows the
depth of this team when we've got so many good
players are injured and now were I think we've got
that term. I think Tallis Smith looked to be as
though he had a little bit of a not last
night as well. But I just as I say, I
had so much confidence in this team. Of course, with

(16:56):
the old well the old boys, I mean two of
us are Sheck and and what's his name? What I
called him the mong goal with the flying Lots. Doesn't
that Yeah, with those two kind of they're the they're
the they're the ones that the younger ones look up to.

(17:16):
And I thought I've always felt that they are such
a necessary peer in this in this team. But boy,
are my faith now in this team after that last
If they can be as physical as that in the
in their forthcoming games, man, we're in for some really
good good times with with the wars Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
Good, oh, sorry about carry on, friends, I've.

Speaker 15 (17:39):
Put fifty two thousand on them. Of course I hadn't,
but hell I wish I had.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Good on your friend. Good to chand as always, yeah,
Andrew Wibbs has got a decision to make when Luke
Metcalf is back.

Speaker 11 (17:51):
Now.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
He had a decision to make when Luke Metcalf first
became available well ahead of schedule. You remember, he wasn't
supposed to be back, probably until actually I think this
came against the Titans, might have even been the one
that they'd earmarked round seven that he might be back.
He came back against the Tigers, they lost that game.
He played against the Sharks, they lost that game. These
two things are not related. The Warriors didn't lose those

(18:14):
two games because Luke Metcalf was in the team. Let's
be clear. But he's Paul to Hammy now and when
he comes back, there is a decision to be made,
and it's a really interesting little layer of discussion, and
that Tanner Boyd plays better on the evidence of what

(18:36):
we've seen when Luke Metcalf isn't playing again, it might
be coincidence, but I'm not sure that it is. From
what Paul was saying as well, some Harves combinations just
work better than others. And you, well, I mean again,
we were saying, how good is it going to be
having Tanner Boyd and Luke Metcalf together. Well, it didn't
quite click. It's early, I know, and that's not to

(18:58):
say that it won't at some stage be a really
good six to seven combination. But you look at that
last night, Chanelle Harris, Tavita and a Boyd and with
hamstrings you never know, so Luke Neercarf might be out
for three or four more games, So Chanelle Harris to
beat a Tanner Boyd. I like the look of that.
I like the look of it.

Speaker 16 (19:16):
Greg Hi, I'm not going to ask you how you
are Pliny today, because your number one team had a
great win last night, your number two team, the Hurricanes,
they didn't have a bad wim and the number three team,
the Phoenix I don't know what they're up to.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Well, they're planning this afternoon. So look, if we're chatting,
if we're chatting about seven o'clock tonight, I'm not on
the air, Greg, but maybe you drop me your messages
up they look, have they happened to beat Melbourne City
this afternoon, then it's pretty close to a perfect weekend
for me, mate.

Speaker 16 (19:47):
Yes, yeah, you'd have got a trifector, mate, exactly.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
What did you make it last night in the Warriors?

Speaker 16 (19:57):
I actually said at the end of the game with
who I was worth that that performance for me has
probably the less performance that they've put together and probably
the last eighteen months two years.

Speaker 14 (20:14):
Now.

Speaker 16 (20:16):
Not taking it out of context because the Melbourne Storm
are on a little bit of a downward spiral yep.
So you can only play what's put in front of you.
But I felt that after the last two games, the

(20:36):
Warriors stepped up, not one run, not two runs, for
like three runs on the ladder and they were just
men possessed. I'll say, they didn't make very many mistakes,
they didn't have a lot of uncompleted sets and everybody,

(20:59):
everybody was playing for each other. I don't feel in
the last two games, that was completely happening. Like you said,
when Roger came across and took out Will Warbrick and
they all came up chess, chess, pumped up and this slapping,
et cetera. You could see how much when they were

(21:23):
enjoying the game and to how far that come from
the last two games. Now, I think what you've said
about met Carpet Boyd is completely correct. They just like now,
like water and oil, they just can't mix. But Boyd

(21:46):
and Janelle have got something. Plus, you had Roger outside
Chanelle rather than Nickel clock Stead, and I'm sure he was.
He was, you know, giving a helping hand as he
always does, so I think that combination. I felt that
Andrew Websu made a mistake by bringing Metcalp back too

(22:09):
soon and not putting him out into the reserves and
you know, getting a little bit game time under his belt,
because I felt that when he did come back he
was a little bit stand offish, because you are when
you've had an injury like he had, and the end
reserves you could ease yourself in a lot better. I

(22:31):
also felt players like Aaron Clark. Aaron Clark has been
on the boil in the last few games. He came
back strong, but after me at quarter he has also
had an injury and he was introduced last week, but
he had a much better game a player I talked

(22:52):
to you about last year, which was tained to a
pecky that guy. If he was six inches taller and
had a little bit of more weight on him, he
would be absolutely awesome. That he isn't. I mean the
squad that we've got, the depth that we've got. We
had depth last year and we went off the ball

(23:15):
a little bit towards the end. But the way these
these players are playing, like both Bunga and Hallaeseema, there
is something there. But I'm not counting the chickens just
she had all the swallows.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Love it, Greg, but at least we can get the
calculator out mate, and I think we're allowed to be
be positive about them. I'm like, you know, I think
the last two weeks, I was really disappointed with the
last two weeks, given the first three, and I worried
last night that we were going to, you know, because
of the streak and what had happened in the last
two weeks, that we were going to be three and three.

(23:53):
But they put the last two to bed by Maunga.
I thought he was outstanding off the interchange, impact, intensity
based off and a play for ages. Thanks great, good
to chat to you, Mite. Let's do it again. So
Jamie High, Hey, Bony, Yeah, what a great night last night.

Speaker 10 (24:16):
You first all the Canes and then the Warriors, but yeah,
obviously talk about the Warriors, and just felt so good
to start after all those years, after all those games
against them, against the Storm and just yeah, just you know,
just in we've got a few hidings a few times,
and it was just really good to see us bully

(24:38):
them like their forwards and in putting big hits on
the halves, which which is what I which is what
I enjoyed seeing, and the desperation and defense that was
just yeah, it was you don't see that often from
what Warriors teams probably definitely saw it last night.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
I felt, what did you think of Roger too? We've
as shaken the sceness. Did you like that?

Speaker 10 (25:01):
If I was honest and I wasn't a fan when
he when he when he did that when he when
he was playing rugby and then when he came back
to the league, But I also feel that maybe that
could be a role for him for the for the
rest of the season, because I feel like he's probably
lost a yard of pace to be a winger in
a in a full back.

Speaker 11 (25:18):
But yeah, it was just.

Speaker 10 (25:20):
He was just like, really, I found it. He had
a great because and we also struggled to find a
reliable defensive center, so maybe that could be a role
for him. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Yeah, Well it's another string to his bar, wasn't it.
I was surprised they went that way, But then, as
Stacy Jones said earlier, it's not like, you know, it's
the first time he's done it. He has played there
and he's a pretty pretty competent rugby league player these days,
isn't it. I guess again, selection decisions to be made
there for Andrew Webster, when Adam Pompey's for again, when
when or available again? Charles nicol klukstar, you know, it's

(25:56):
it's nice to have the it's nice to have the
options and the and the selection headaches, isn't it. Jamie,
good on you mate, Thanks for calling through. Is always
always loved chatting rugby league with you. Sixteen away from one,
we've had a lot of texts asking about our our
sporting Chance winner from yesterday? Did he pick up the

(26:20):
big paycheck? If you if you're not a listening to
the show on a Saturday afternoon, we give a listener
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It's twelve forty five call us how you see it?
On We Can Sport with Jason Pine News Talks B.

(26:41):
It's our twelve boy from one. Every Saturday afternoon we
play a sporting chance on News Talks B where we
give a caller three choices, a short, evens or long
bet and they get to place a one hundred and
fifty dollars bonus bet. This was yesterday when we had
Troy with us Caines Blues fifty six points or more
to win one hundred and thirty five. Adelaide to beat

(27:04):
Newcastle to win two seventy warry is to beat Storm
thirteen plus to win twelve hundred and seventy five. What
are you going to go for?

Speaker 12 (27:11):
Look, Jason, I am a massive wild fan. I probably
give a five percent chance of beating the Melbourne Storm
by burning plus, but I'm going to take it.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
That was Troy yesterday. Here is Troy today. How are you, mate?

Speaker 12 (27:26):
Yeah, good Jason, mate.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
I thought of you often last night and the number
of messages we've got today having started the show talking
to warrior Is asking about whether your bet was a
successful one. Well it was, mate. How were you enjoying
not only the performance but the fact that you benefited
so much from it.

Speaker 12 (27:45):
I'll tell you what, last night, watching that game, I
almost forgot about the money. It was as a wild fan.
It was just awesome to see them just desleep their well,
blow the storm off the park and yeah, I'm three
one of the best performances I've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
The plays, I agree. I thought they were tremendous and
just at the right time for you. So yeah, as
you say, was so the twelve hundred bucks or just
over twelve hundred bucks that's going to be coming your
way was just a nice bonus, a nice cherry on
the top.

Speaker 12 (28:17):
Yeah, I'll take it. I'll definitely think.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
I'm not going to deny it. But that's that's to
me though. That speaks of a true Warriors fan. It's like, well, hey,
the result and the performance was the most exciting thing.
A little bit of extra cash for you quite a bit.
Actually is is just a nice little little addition to it. Well,
we'll make sure that money arrives with you very very soon.

(28:40):
Try maybe you could buy some Warriors merch or something
like that.

Speaker 12 (28:43):
I don't know, I don't need any more of that
for any of that.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Good Man, Troy, Good on your mate, Good get your update.
Everybody's been asking about you. Good too. I know that
you had an excellent night, not only with watching the
Warriors but also benefiting from it. Sporting chants back next week,
by the way, good a Mark, Yeah, good on.

Speaker 17 (29:05):
I didn't money on the Warriors. What a start to
the season. I mean, you couldn't write this stuff that's
happening in the NRL. It's just fantastic. All the games
are pretty exciting. I mean, no one would have predicted
who was going to be on top of, you know,
after five or six weeks. I don't think the Stormer
are actually very good at the moment, to be honest.

(29:25):
I mean I don't mean to downplay the Warriors victory,
but yeah, they look pretty they have looked pretty ordinary
and their full losses you know today and yet they've
been beaten by a lot of points every time. So yeah,
I think the thing with met Kaffer and Tana, I mean,
I think Tana it suits the way well suits the

(29:46):
Warrior's strengths. You know, we've got these super power forwards
that just seemed to dominate the game now, and I
think he has style of play in getting them to
do their best job and dominate teams is the way
we're going to win. And we all know that you've
got to get in the top four to make it,
you know, all the way, so you've basically don't change

(30:07):
the team once you find the combination that seems to
be working for most of the time, because you're not
going to win your regame.

Speaker 8 (30:13):
You're not.

Speaker 17 (30:13):
You're just not going to win your regain and expect to.
But you've got to be consistent. And I think that's
what Tayler gives us at the moment, that consistency.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
Yeah, and I think that, you know, thinking about when
Andrew Webster made the decision to bring Luke Metcalf back in,
I mean, there must have been huge temptation for him
to do it, and he obviously couldn't resist that temptation
because Luke Metcalf is a terrific rugby league player. You know,
you can see why Andrew Webster decided, Okay, I'm going
to bring it back and let's see how this Metcalf

(30:43):
Boyd thing goes. I an injury now has prevented that
from going beyond just a game and a half. Yeah,
but I just wonder what he'll do when Metcalf is
fit again.

Speaker 17 (30:53):
Well, I don't think you change a winning team, to
be honest, I mean I think that I think the
halves are playing well. I mean, I think Dan is
one of the busiest players in the NRL at the moment.
I think he's fantaistic. I think Tayler Boyd's you know,
he's not the flashy is player, but he is running
the ball, which I mean a seven does need to
run the ball. You know, if you're only a kicker
on the fifth techer, you certainly take down your chances

(31:15):
of being successful. But yeah, I mean, as I said,
you've just got to unleash those forwards. And I mean
even the Eussie commentators have just sort of, you know,
seeing the praises of our forwards because I mean we
have got huge depth there.

Speaker 11 (31:29):
Now.

Speaker 17 (31:29):
You know, you've got you've got players like at the
moment done it and Cape well out of the team
you know you can bring back. I mean, do they
make it back into the side of all these other players,
all these young guys, these young Pensiftic Island guys are
just dominating games right now at the moment. Do you
take them out again to put in the veteran players
that you've had successful before.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Mark. It's a great question, and I think I think
you're right. You have to stick with a winning team,
don't you. You have to reward performance, regardless of who
it is coming back. Yes, there are certain players who
present a pretty compelling case for inclusion, but what's more
important performance or reputation? Good to chet you mate seven to.

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This is Weekend Sport on News Talk SETB. I'm Jason
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as the teams we support. I'm loving watching the Hurricanes
at the moment. I think any neutral would enjoy watching

(33:13):
the Hurricanes at the moment. Anybody who wasn't watching with
a Blues hat on last night would have enjoyed watching
the Hurricanes play. They are playing terrific rugby at the moment.
What's behind it? Clark Laidlaw as their coach, he's along
this out. Hurricanes fans feel free to, as we usually do,

(33:34):
overestimate the importance of one game.

Speaker 18 (33:37):
No.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
I think they're playing well, aren't they. They're playing well,
and there has been a lot of talk about the
fact that they haven't had to play too many other
New Zealand sides in the first segment of the season,
and that's true. The Highlanders were the only team they
came up against in the first six matches. Who you
know of the traditional New Zealand sides, But the Blues
last night came to Wellington. It was built at the

(34:00):
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(34:43):
Defending champion Rory McElroy has seen his record six shot
lead at the halfway point completely eaten up on day three.
He's now even with American Cameron Young at eleven under par.
They are joint leaders. Young has never won a major.
Sam Burns our right third at ten under Irishman Shane
Lowry are shot further back at nine under the card.

(35:06):
Grame I Gas was with us from Augusta Graham this time.
Yesterday we were basically putting another green jacket onto Rory McElroy.

Speaker 8 (35:14):
What happens, Yeah, I think Rory was doing the same thing.
To be honest with you, yeah, I'm asking myself what
happened as well if you think about it this way.
Within the first thirty minutes of him teeing off, he
had gone from a six shot lead to a two
shot lead. That's because Patrick Reid started with three birdies

(35:37):
in a row and then he rebounded the bit, made
a birdie on three, restored back to twelve and they
had a four shot lead. And then from then on
he couldn't find a fairway. I mean, he was playing
a bit like he did yesterday, and he was getting
up and down from all sorts of places, missing a
lot of fairways off the tea. But everybody else was

(36:00):
having a fantastic day. And the reason was Jason Day
said afterwards, were actually receptive and taking spin, and they
weren't excessively fast. So against the National had not said
set the course up to be nasty. It had allowed
the guys to make a run at it, and everybody
except Rory did it. You had to go all the

(36:22):
way down the sixteenth position to find another player who
shot over par, and that was Tommy Fleetwood and he
was plus one. All the others were either even par
or you know, seven under as Cameron Young and Scotti
Shefflin shoot a shot. So the course wasn't hard. It's

(36:42):
just that Rory was struggling again off the tea and
today he couldn't pull it off the way he did yesterday.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
You talked about that a lot yesterday, Graham, about his
approach and how it had paid dividends for him, but
of a fearlessness about the way that he attacked the
golf course, not just yesterday but in the first round
as well. You know, wood on hindsight's always a wonderful thing,
I know, But would a little bit more caution have
been advisable for Rory in the third round.

Speaker 8 (37:14):
Yeah, So his mantra here has been just keeps swinging,
and I think he's going to stick with it throughout
the tournament, but you could clearly see his demeanor changed
on the back nine when it wasn't working and when
he hit it into the water off eleven after a
dreadful drive which hit the trees up on the right

(37:34):
hand side and bounced back. So he had two hundred
and fourteen yards into a water carry eleventh hole, which
is not an easy hole at the best of times,
when he normally would have had maybe one hundred and
thirty five or one hundred and forty yards in and
it'd been spinning some sort of shot in, so I
mean he really paid the price. Then he carried it

(37:54):
to the next t in Bogue twelve, which is pretty
easy to do, and to me, he looked confused and
didn't quite know what to do, so he just kept
hammering away and kept in fairways. He made a couple
towards the end, but you know, I'm sitting next to
Greg Allen, the Irish broadcaster, and he said I might

(38:16):
sneak out and take the driver out of his bag
open just let him hit a three wood off team
because he thinks he'd play a lot better. But you know,
I think he's determined just to play that way and
try and win, and who knows, maybe it will work tomorrow,
maybe it won't. But he wasn't happy after the round.
He blew off his press conference invitation, and nobody heard

(38:42):
from him once he left the cause.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Such an interesting contrast to yesterday when you told us
how accommodating he was to all of the media. I
guess when you have a sixt lead at the halfway stage,
you're probably a little more receptive to some media question.
And then when that lead has evaporated, he says, I
still have a great chance. I'm in the final group.
It's where I want to be. Would he be favorite
to win it tomorrow or we will what happened today,

(39:08):
He maybe put a dent in that and it might
be one of the two Americans, or even Shane Lowry
or even someone further back.

Speaker 8 (39:15):
Yeah, yeah, I really don't know. I think if he
continues with that game plan and maybe it clicks, you know,
it'd be hard to beat. But don't underestimate Cameron Young.
This guy has been considered somewhat of a prodigy on
the US too for a number of years now. Took
in ninety four tournaments to win his first one that

(39:36):
was the Windham Tournament towards the end of last year.
And with the confidence that gave him, he then went
on won the Players Championship, which the PGA two is
own major. And he's full of confidence and he is
a great, great player, and he proved by shitting his
best ever round in Augusta National. Perhaps he's ready. And

(39:57):
Sam Burns has got the game for Augusta. I mean
it's built for him. He's strong off of tea and
he's probably as good a part of it as there is
on the PGA Tour right now. Almost Jordan's speacelike, so
he's got the weapons. And Shane Lowry, he really he

(40:18):
rarely wants another major, having won the British Owned for
a couple of years ago. And then there's still people
like Jason Davis having a great tournament at eight under,
had four booties in a row from the twelfth to day,
just loves the back nine at Augusta and Scotti Scheffler.
Not many people notice that he also shot sixty five
today and didn't make a single put on the back nine,

(40:40):
And afterwards he spoke under the oak tree up on
the on the hill by the first he and said
another sixty five tomorrow should do it. He's thinking of winning.
He hasn't. He hasn't given up at all. And if
he can shoot sixty five not making any puts on
the back nine, heaven only knows what happens that they
start going in Absolutely well.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
We spoke yesterday about his rather ordinary first couple of
rounds and you you said, well, it's proved that he's human.
He's the kind of golfer, isn't He's got a shipler.
He could well go out and show sixty five tomorrow,
couldn't he again?

Speaker 8 (41:16):
Well as his target. He thinks fourteen hundred is going
to win. And that's probably not a bad number when
you think about it, because I doubt either Cameron or
Lauri are going to go low. I mean, they might
go seventy sixty nine something like that, but I don't
think they're going to shit sixty five tomorrow. So you
know it's there for the guys behind, probably as close

(41:39):
a leader board as we've had for a little while,
with everybody sort of packed in there and all sorts
of different stories. You know, you've got the world number
one seemingly playing bad but talking up his chances of winning.
You've got the runaway winner now running in the opposite direction,
and you've got Cam Young full of confidence after finally

(42:01):
delivering on the promise that he's shown on the PGA
two or before. And then you've got mister coole Sam Burns,
who doesn't let anything worry him and he's as good
at patter as ears. As I said, so you've got
a really good mix there and I think anything can happen.
There's beens a bit on the start. If the leaders
come back, boy, we can have a hell of a day.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
We certainly could. What about the course set up on
day four at Augusta Graham. What typically do we see
from the way the course is set up for the
final round?

Speaker 8 (42:32):
Well, if they want to make it really hard, they'll
tuck the pins and they'll dry out the greens overnight,
they double cut them in the morning and they may
roll them again and they could make it much harder
than it was today. As I said, Jason Day considered
them to be pleasant because they were taking spin and
the speeds weren't too bad and the pins weren't tucked

(42:52):
in silly places, so I don't know what Augusta wants
to do tomorrow. I suspect they'll leave it reasonably fair
with a couple of tricky pins, maybe on the back night,
just to really test the guys. But I don't think
they want a torture test, and I don't want to.
I don't think they want the lead to come back
from eleven to say nine. I think they're happy, you know,

(43:15):
twelve or thirteen under, maybe fourteen under winning. So I
think they'll be reasonable. Conditions are going to be fantastic,
warm again, just as it was today, and no real
win to worry about, at least than the forecast. So
you know, if you want to win, as Cameron Cameron
Young said in his press conference tonight, you've got to

(43:36):
go out there and earn it. Nobody's going to give
it to you, and that's probably the best way to
approach today.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Just to circle back to Rory McElroy to finish, we
know he famously won it last year and broke a
long standing duck at this particular tournament. Do you think
he is given what happened today and the fact that
he was well off the pace today in terms of
his game in the first two rounds. Do you think
the fact that he won it last year will be

(44:03):
a big factor in the way he approaches tomorrow. I
guess conversely, Graham, if he hadn't won it last year,
would there be no chance of him winning it tomorrow
because he must just think, well, I'm never going to
win this thing.

Speaker 8 (44:15):
Yeah, he was starting to get the Greg Normans in going,
you know, as the game to win, but just can't
get it across the line. He tried for eleven years.
I mean, he nearly won it eleven years ago and
blew it on the back nine. He was too young,
he didn't know what he was doing, and then he
struggled mightily until last year. And there wasn't a convincing
when last year was it. I mean, he's all over

(44:37):
the place and you could see the stress on his face,
and you know, he toughed it out in the end
in the playoffs and played the extra hole pretty well.
So that has to give him confidence. You know that
he's now an elite player. He's one of only seven
players to you know, won all for the Grand Slam

(44:59):
major tournaments in their career, you know, career Grand Slam.
So he's got to take that, but you know he
has to read calibrate because I think he saw it.
With a six shot lead, he could just continue to
play aggressively and you know, shut everybody else out. But
he opened the door and gave them more personal invitations today,

(45:19):
So it's going to have to work tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Love it, Grahame, Love your turn of phrases. Always great
to chat to you. Thanks, thanks for joining us across
New Zealand. Gray Maygar is the one and only after
the third round at Augusta where we now have joint leaders.
Rory McElroy for just joining us and catching up, who
had a record six shot lead after two rounds, is
now joint leader of the tournament with the American Cam Young,

(45:45):
who shot a terrific seven under par sixty five today.
So Young and McElroy will be in the final group
tomorrow at eleven under. Just tucked in behind them is
another American in Sam Burns. He is ten under for
the tournament. Shane Lowry is nine under. Then you get
down to Jason Day and Justin Rose, both of who

(46:06):
are eight under the card, so they're tightly grouped. They're
tightly grouped. Day shot four under today, Rose three under
and then you arrive at the world's number one golfer,
Scotti Scheffler, who shot seventy and seventy four in his
first two rounds and then tore it up today. Although
as she heard Grahames hit him make a part on

(46:28):
the last on the back nine, he had to rely
on the other parts of his game. But he shot
seven under to move to seven under, so he is
within striking distance as well. And as you just did, Graham, say,
Scotti Scheffler thinks fourteen under will win it. So all
he has to do. All he has to do is
go out and shoot seven hundred again, and he proof

(46:51):
today that he can do just that. One eight hundred
and eighty ten out. He's our number nine, two ninety two.
For your text message is going to shift our attention
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Clark Laidlaw when we come back.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
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the hurricane have dominated the Blues in the top of
the table Super Rugby Clash in Wellington, quick tech.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
Penalty, right guard, right guard to the post. Over he
goes and it's a try on my word, that's magnificent.
From the tins they wanted and they won it big time.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
The Canes have won at forty two nineteen running in
six tries to three, all six tries converted by Ruben Love.
They stay top of the Super Rugby Ladder and they
have a game in hand. Head coach Clark laidlaw is
with us. The word I've seen a lot Clark used
to describe that winner's statement. Does that accurately sum it
up or do you sum it up in a different

(48:44):
way from your perspective?

Speaker 5 (48:48):
Yeah, I mean we were happy the way we played.
I'm not sure that the statement or not, but certainly
I felt the game was a bit tater than maybe
the score a suggested. There was a couple of half
changes that we took, maybe a couple half changes they messed.
So yeah, we were obviously delighted to get the winning
The bonus point, you know, at home again was with

(49:09):
exactly what it says, which was a little bonus. So
you're happy with the performance in a tight, tough game.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
You don't make the drawer, of course, But they had
been a bit of talk about the fact you hadn't
played too many of the other New Zealand sides yet.
But last night, the first of three and four weeks
with the Brumbies thrown in there as well, did you
talk internally about the stap up that was going to
be needed ahead of this little block of matches.

Speaker 5 (49:32):
Yeah, I mean when you looked at the table last week,
it was second, thab fourth and fifth in a row.
Bar you can see you know the ds have beat
the Crusaders. So I'm never sure of what people say
about other teams is necessarily that true because you know
they're going and win another couple of games and then
you know the statement's not real. So, but we know

(49:53):
when we play the New Zealand teams. He had a
big games of physical games. Traditionally they've been the hardest
games obviously, but as you say, with the Brumbies throwing
in in a couple of weeks time and the Chiefs
away next week can finish that little block. With the
Crusaders at home, we certainly know we're gonna have to
prepare well and play well each week.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
You've now put forty on times in five of your
seven games. What's behind your your attacking consistency? What's pleasing
you most about that?

Speaker 12 (50:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (50:23):
I think maybe ironically as the defense, we're defending well,
which is allowing you know, we're not under pressure on
the scoreboard all the time, and with your defense is
going good and you know we're we're kicking quite smartly.
At times and getting some ball back, and then it's
allowing us to attack in the right areas of the field.
And if we get in those right areas of the field,
you know we've got a good set piece that we

(50:43):
can use or you know, as you've seen, we can
we can shift it to best space quite quickly when
when there's opportunities. So I guess that's the game, isn't it.
You know, you're all flat into the game, sort of
working in harmony and working together. We're having an off
night on one area, the other area can can step up.
So yeah, we're we're really happy the way we're defending,

(51:04):
and I think the Chiefs will give us a real
test next week. You know, we've been quite impressed the
way they're playing, their ability to move the balls maybe
quite similar tasks, So yeah, that'll be a good test
for the defense next week.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
A lot of talk about the Hurricanes as as genuine
title contained as the shear Clock. Is that something that
you embrace internally, even talk about internally or is that
just an outcome?

Speaker 5 (51:26):
No, I think it's you know, we don't want to
shy away from wanting to be good and and being
the mix when it comes to playoffs just because you
want that or you know, you think you've got a
team that are capable. We all know they've got to
start each Monday morning right and put the building blocks
in place each week. So yeah, we embrace it. We
we want to get into those playoffs and in a

(51:48):
good position if we're if we can get there, and
there's no reason why we should be aiming, you know,
aiming high and and wanting to win. But as I say,
one so one week, get time, one day at time,
and so that's themselves off this morning and start looking
at the chiefs.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
What are the building blocks, what are the foundations that
I guess they're not negotiables inside the hurricanes that drive
your performance.

Speaker 5 (52:14):
Oh here, there's there's a few noun negotiables. One is
being connected and having fun. And we always start the
week with making sure we connect well with the you know,
the men that haven't played and the rest of the staff,
et cetera. And the coaches have done a really good
job around building the plans with a little groups, you know,
whether it's the forward crew or the defense and attack groups.

(52:35):
So I think when we get that part right at
the start of the week and then we prepare really
well on a Tuesday, you know, sort of bigger training
day and Thursday. I've really enjoyed that. The you know
they say both teams, you know, the nun twenty three
as well as the guys that are playing, say on
Thursday in particular was a really good training session. So
we sort of build a week towards that Thursday session,

(52:56):
and I think we can keep doing that then, you know,
no shortcuts. Being pretty honest with each other at the
start of the week. That lays the foundation to you
express yourself on the weekend.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
Any chance you can convince Warner Dunes to stay a
bit longer.

Speaker 5 (53:13):
Yeah, I be trying. I think, yeah, something ask me
last night. And you know, I think the little German
of back pocket, the Warner as he has a hurricane.
You know, he's a real sort of belonging to the region.
He's a Hawksbay boy. You know, his mum lives over
the hill, his sisters in loand you know his wife
and little boyer here. You know, I feel like he's

(53:34):
really settled in not only to the rugby but the
sort off field. You know, it's quite scary to think,
is that he turned twenty four yesterday. So he's a
young man and he's got an amazing future ahead of him.
We would love him to the stay if we could,
but you know, I think that's highly unlikely. So we'll yeah,
we'll enjoy him. Well he's here.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
And how did your assistant Jason Holland guy last night
watching the song he's going to take over next year?

Speaker 5 (54:00):
Yeah, I'm so sure. Didn't ask on. I guess he's
a bit like Warner. Is it next year's next year?
And we would say he's added a real sort of
clarity of thought to a coaching group, a lot of experience.
Super helpful for me to have somebody who's been a
head coach, an attack coach, you know, a national coach. Yeah,

(54:20):
I guess he's been there and sort of seen it
and done it. And we're all enjoying them having them
in the building for the year. And yeah, I must
year with that, like saying around what you'll do to
the Blues because we think you'll improve them, you know,
next year. But let's try and cashing when he's here.

Speaker 15 (54:36):
I guess.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
And just to finish, it was a special weekend for
the Hurricanes. A lot of former players came together for
a dinner on Friday night and a lot of them
were these today and were acknowledged. How important is that
connection to two Hurricanes teams and players from the past
as you as you look to, you know, to to
create a legacy or continue the legacy with the current team.

Speaker 5 (54:57):
Yeah, hugely important. You know, there's as all yealand there's
no around with fucker Papa and who's been here before
us always set the platform for us you now, And
as you say, Friday was a beautiful night. I really
enjoy that night where you have X players ex staff members,
you know, like a Tony bed for the first of
a manager. I got to sit and hear some of

(55:18):
his stories from when they first started, you know, sitting
next to Plums who was obviously one of the coaches
here when we won. So yeah, it's just really a
special relationship with with the people I've been here before
you and they were in the changing shared last night
when the team song, and you know, I genuinely think
the players and the staff now really yeah, take real

(55:41):
pride and get a real buzz from sort of rubbing
shoulders with the X players and stuff.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
Congrets on on great win last night. Clock Well, the
basically the week I hit things for the chat as
always no thank you mate. That is Clark Lidlow, head
coach of the Hurricanes. Hurricanes fans came to hear from you.
Are you starting to believe that ten years on from
this club's only Super Rugby title that another one could
be in the offing? I said, TAB have jumped on board.

(56:08):
They now have the Hurricanes and the Chiefs as joint favorites.
I think the Chiefs have been favorites pretty much since
the start of the season. This is only the TAB
obviously it's there, it's their assessment, but it's driven by
the market as well. So the Chiefs and the Hurricanes
both now paying two dollars seventy five to win Super
Rugby this year. The Crusaders at six fifty, then the

(56:31):
Blues at seven fifty. The Brumbies are the first New
Zealand side that pops up. They're paying eight dollars. The
Hurricanes play the Chiefs on Saturday. That's gonna be another
absolutely cracking contest, isn't it. Milestone match coming up for
Luke Jacobson in that game as well. But I just
look at the way the Hurricanes are playing and even

(56:51):
if I take off my Hurricane supporter's hat, because you
have to to be a little bit objective and to
hover above this and say, right, okay, am I just
being utterly biased here because they're my team? Or actually
are they the best team? And there's very little to
suggest that they're not the best team. They're scoring points

(57:12):
for fun. They're defending very well as well. When you
look at the points they've conceded in the last three weeks,
the Highland has only scored seven against them under the
roof the Reds fourteen last week and the Blues nineteen
last night. So defensively they're as good as they are
on attack, and you look at some of the weapons

(57:33):
that they have, Fineung and Nulfolk scoring his tenth try
in just seven games last night. The combinations as well,
the likes of in midfield Jordi Barrett and Billy Proctor,
the emerging combination of cam Roy Garden Reuben Lavett half

(57:53):
back in first five now three games in, and then
a forward pack that just seems to have so much
in the way of depth players who can come on
and things hardly change. I may mention of Warner Durns
because he just seems to have come and immediately adjusted

(58:14):
to Super Rugby. You often hear about how the Japanese
you know, competition isn't close to what Super rugby offers,
and I think probably player for player, team for team
week to week, it doesn't provide the same intensity. But
a guy like Warner Durns, he's already one of the
best locks in the competition. So astounded to hear Clark

(58:38):
say he only turned twenty four yesterday. He's already played
what nineteen twenty games for Japan but he might have
another he might have another ten years playing. He just
looks every inch a player who's going to be a
massive part of what the Hurricanes do in twenty twenty six.
He's only signed for this year, it's a one year

(58:58):
sabbatical from his Japanese club, and well, he's making every
post winner, isn't he?

Speaker 11 (59:03):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (59:03):
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty If you want to
pass comment, Andrew goes guys, Hurricanes genuine title contenders, the
Blues potential contenders, but currently pretenders. The Chiefs want to
be contenders, but they're perennial pretenders, slash chokers, Highlanders pretenders

(59:24):
only Crusaders, consummate contenders currently pretending to be a contender,
but write them off at your peril. I think I
got all that, Andrew, I think I got all that. Yeah,
the Crusaders losing last night, but then they are the Crusaders,
aren't they? You just never ever know with them. Twenty
three away from two. We'll take some calls on the

(59:45):
rugby if you like. James mcconey still to come before
two o'clock as well. Back in a second on Weekend Sport.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
From Grassroots to the grand Stand Weekend Sport with Jason
Plain News Talks.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
ENV It's coming up twenty to two. James mcconey shortly now, Graham, Um,
I didn't watch the Crusaders. Watched the Crusaders last night
over my eyes on the Warriors thirty one. You went
down to the Reeds.

Speaker 14 (01:00:09):
What happened, Well, the score probably flattered us, you know,
I hate to say, but because they've got a try
right at the end. But yeah, well, no one. Both
teams couldn't hold onto the ball much and both teams
kicked it too much. But they they played a lot better,
you know, especially in the backs. They put things together

(01:00:29):
and you know, the Crusaders couldn't formulate much, you know.
I mean guys like Jamie Hannah played out of his skin.
You know, he's been playing, you know, I think he's
been one of our best players this year. And I
think the forwards played was pretty intent. But they got
enough ball. But yeah, they didn't play well. I mean

(01:00:50):
it just seemed to be. Yeah, it was inexplicable. Really.
It was a bit like the performance against the Blues
about five weeks ago and they played at Eden Park.
And on your question about the Hurricanes, he had no
doubt that, yeah, that they're red hot favorites. And yeah,
no the Crusader, I mean, I'll always back them to
come back, but yeah they've got to look. You know,

(01:01:10):
they go to the Western Force next and that'll be tough,
and yeah they your back's against the wall and all that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Jason Graham, you'll think you'll be fine, mate, I know
you know this, but you'll be fine. You'll go and
beat the Force and then we all get to we
all get to gather and you'll fine city for Super Round.
I cannot tell you how much I'm looking forward to that.
And now I'm just looking at the table as well.
It feels like the top six. Now is the top six?
I don't know what you think. Hurricanes, Chiefs, Blue S,

(01:01:40):
Brumbi's Reds, Crusaders. That feels like the top six to me.
I know, you know the other teams. You can't ride
anybody off. But doesn't there feel like the top six
to you?

Speaker 14 (01:01:49):
It does? Well, I don't want to jinx anything. Well,
I'm concerned in the Crusaders, but yeah, no, it does.
I think it's say set in the stone, but it's yeah,
that looks likely, yeah, without yeah, without saying too much,
but yeah, no, no, they got to yeah, probably make

(01:02:10):
a few changes and yeah, who's the Hurricane's got We've
got a chief, haven't they.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Yeah, but that'll be, Yeah, that'll be that'll be a
good game. Obviously, two teams near the top, I mean
the Chiefs. It's it's hard. It's hard to know because
some very similar to what the Crusaders did last week.
You know what, put sixty nine points on the drawer,
and you say, well that that's impressive, and but you
don't really know it's the same as the Chiefs, you know,
putting sixty two on Mowana pacifica is it really a

(01:02:38):
gauge at all, because these those two teams in particular
seem to be well off the pace this year, the
mo Wana Pacificat and Drew sides. It's almost as though
results and performances against them have to be taken with
a bit of a grain of salt.

Speaker 14 (01:02:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree, yeah much as you know.
I love both then, the fig and Drew particularly, and
you know they're very, very tough at home. You know,
we lost two years in a row to them and
the other team lost to them. But yeah, no I
don't like Yeah, that's probably a fair intimation. Yeah, so yeah,

(01:03:14):
the tough games are ahead and there's been a lot
of Derby's and will be great.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Yeah, it'll be great into the season. Good on your Graham.
Good the chance here as always, mate, win, lose or draw.
See in a couple of weeks, look forward to that
seventeen away from two. James mccony is with us. Can
we start there, James? Hello, By the way, Hurricanes, Chiefs, Blues,
Brumbies reach Crusaders. That's the top six, isn't it.

Speaker 11 (01:03:37):
Yeah it does. It feels like that, and of course
the Hurricanes Chiefs next week in Hamilton.

Speaker 19 (01:03:44):
I'll be.

Speaker 11 (01:03:45):
I think both teams have shown that they play the
most exciting, enterprising rugby of all those those top six teams,
and I think I hope it doesn't end up being
a game where one team tries to suffocate the other.
We saw that with the Brumbies against the Highlanders, a
really forgettable clash on Friday night. I mean under the roost.

(01:04:07):
Here's no excuse, right, So yeah, let's hope it's just
an epic clasher in the tron and even just Jordi
Barrett versus Quintupia, it's mouth watering.

Speaker 8 (01:04:17):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
There are so many matchups, so many across and you
always get this with the New Zealand Derbies, don't you have?
And sometimes you try to manufacture things. But when it
comes to the Chiefs and the Hurricane soho I just
mentioned before, are now in the eyes of the tab anyway,
the joint favorites to win. Of course, they're going to
be stacked with high quality players, with a lot of
all blacks, and there are going to be clashes, as

(01:04:38):
you say, like the Tupire v v. Jordi Barrett. You know,
depending on who plays at first five. Can Ruben Love
I thought he shaded Boaden Barrett last night. I'm not
sure what you thought, but you know he'll have a
crack perhaps at Damien Mackenzie or or Josh Jacob if
he plays there.

Speaker 11 (01:04:54):
Well, I'm a big fan of Love, as you know, Poney.
I'm all about him, and that's all you need.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
It's all you need.

Speaker 5 (01:05:00):
It's all you need.

Speaker 11 (01:05:01):
Love is all you need. And love can tear tear
us apart, you know, it can joy division.

Speaker 13 (01:05:07):
The thing is if you.

Speaker 11 (01:05:11):
I would actually select Love to play tenth in the
All Black Jersey this season, just to give him a
chance to get some miles on the clock. Okay, maybe
for the Test series against South Africa Richie Muwonga is available,
he might actually just leap frog everyone and come back in.
It depends how you feel about winning a series in
South Africa, right, but I would definitely be giving Love

(01:05:33):
some minutes at ten. Look, I think the thing about
the Hurricanes is that there are so many weapons. The
ball carriers and the forwards, all the backs, fineang the
north for I mean, this is the one thing where
you look around the park and you go, who do
I mark? And then last night the best of them
was Callum Harkin. So I mean, it doesn't really matter

(01:05:54):
if you're trying to shut down all those known X
factor players, suddenly you got Callum Harkin tearing you apart.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
Well, a year ago, we're just over a year ago.
He was a builder and he was playing for Old
Boys University, Billy Goat here in club rugby, and it's
just like here he is now, yeah, here he is
now scoring, scoring tries and injecting himself into the back line.
Can I ask you about the Chiefs halfback situation. Is
Cortes Latima still the number one because Xavier Row, it

(01:06:21):
feels to me, has played a lot more in the
nine jersey than Cortez Rotima has.

Speaker 11 (01:06:27):
This mirror is what happened last year. So different coach
of course, John Agibbs now the coach, and now Xavier
does start a lot of games and Cortez has you know,
he's kind of specialized in a lot of ways just
being that incredible bench half back. And let's be honest,
for the All Blacks, that's that's up for grabs, right,
The number two half back is up for grabs, but

(01:06:47):
number one is cam roy Gard all day long. So
maybe Cortez isn't the unhappiest coming off the bench and
saying that's the role I'm trying to perfect and play
and win in the All Blacks. But yes, both of them.
Xavier started a lot of big games last year, a
lot of big, big derby games. It's it's a matter

(01:07:08):
of watched the space because I think that's the one
thing that these coaches do. For example, if I may
just move up back to that Canes Blues game, there
are a lot of let's just say non stars in
the Blues. You know there was no Papa let you know,
so to no toy for Law two. I know those
players are actually coming back next weekend. So why didn't

(01:07:31):
they rush them back to the Hurricanes. Is it just
a matter of just saying, no, not that game. We
want them to actually get your confidence back against the
Highlanders instead. You know that the selections do sometimes they're
a little bit of a mystery really and super rugby
and you can see with that as well.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
Yeah, I wonder if they've just looked ahead their last
three games of the Crusaders, Hurricanes, Chiefs, that's how they
finished the season. MAT's been as tough as as well.
That is as tough as it gets right the three
you know, the three other top New Zealand side. So yeah,
I'm sure there's a I'm sure there's a method in
the in the selection decision making of Vern Cootter. Hey,

(01:08:12):
the Phoenix went to Melbourne last week and where they
hadn't won for nine years and won. And the Warriors
last night clearly took inspiration because after seventeen, after seventeen
straight defeats to the Melbourne Storm, they two won at
Amy Park.

Speaker 11 (01:08:29):
Yeah, shout out to and next. You're the first person
I texted when I saw that result. It was outstanding.
And I do love their cream away uniform. If you're
thinking of great kits of our time, that's right up there. Look,
this is the whole thing with the Wars When they
stick to what they know, they're good at the Webster method.

(01:08:51):
It just works, you know. And I think dimetric by
Munga being back in the mix, you know, Mad Anthony
or Cordier being in there, I think that helps. It
helps a lot. And I think we had more punching
the forwards and Rogers to Vasishicket Center. Yes please, but
what a what a statement game from him even just

(01:09:11):
absolutely monstering a bigger Man William Walbrick, who's been signed
to replace him at the Warriors. So that was just
an incredible moment of theater.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
Yeah, absolutely loved it. Hey, I want to get to
a couple of other things with you, including the Premier League.
Arsenal lost to Bournemouth overnight. They still have a nine
point lead over Manchester City, but Manchester City have two
games in hand, so I add six points and all
of a sudden it's just a three point lead for
Arsenal as they enter the home straight. They're not going
to bottle it, are they.

Speaker 11 (01:09:42):
Well, they might do because do you know what, Piney,
this month is the thirtieth anniversary of the famous Kevin Keegan. Honestly,
I would love it if we beat them.

Speaker 16 (01:09:52):
I love it.

Speaker 11 (01:09:53):
And he was the manager of new Castle United who
had a twelve point lead that season and then it
was dwindled away by Alex Ferguson's Manchester United and they
lost the titles. So I'll going to keep an eye
on Arsenal and of course mikaal Artesta in his press
conferences and see when he loses it. Because that was

(01:10:17):
I was so happy for Bournemouth because they actually played
the better football and they and they would deny it
what I thought was a clear penalty. But yeah, this
is the thing. Choking is real, and there's choking in
the EPL, and of course choking in the final sport
we're going to talk about as well.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
Yes, indeed are the Masters where we had Graham agars
on a short time ago we talked about Rory McElroy
with a six stroke lead after two rounds. Now there,
now there there are joint leaders. So I mean, I
don't know what do you predict for a round for
is Rory going to get back to back green jackets
or has today really you know, put a big dent

(01:10:52):
in those chances.

Speaker 11 (01:10:55):
I think Rory is playing with freedom, the freedom of
having won last year and getting a career slam. He's
got nothing left to prove. You always see the defending
champion coming out and looking lot different and a lot calmer,
let's to say freer.

Speaker 5 (01:11:10):
I mean a lot of.

Speaker 11 (01:11:13):
Previous champs who do well because of that very reason.
They've got the green jacket in the closet. There's nothing
much to prove. So Patrick Reid is suddenly on the leaderboard.
But honestly, Pony Scottie Scheffler four shots down. Does anyone
remember the Paris Olympics four shots down going into the
final round and then nine under. I think he shot
on the final day put all the pressure on. That

(01:11:36):
was Tommy Fleetwood then in Paris. But I could honestly
see Scheffler going out and posting a score in sitting
in the clubhouse and enjoying a couple of vice teas.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
I could see that too. I could say sometimes I
don't think he's human. He's just a bit of a robot,
isn't he. He has recently become a dad, either again
or for the first time. Maybe that's softened him up
a bit. But I wouldn't be at all surprised James
v shoot seven under tomorrow and windsor you know, well
that's the thing.

Speaker 11 (01:12:04):
And also Rory mclrory in fact that he's been allowed
to set the menu. I mean, who knows what He's
got some Irish stew or something that's going. It's obviously
firing him this week, so he's playing very very happy.
But the menu at Augusta is when did they have
a champions dinner? That's at the start, So that's helped
him at the start final day. Who knows. It's a

(01:12:25):
nice it's up for grabs, but yeah, I'll be going
to Applebee's. That's my favorite American place to go and
get food. I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
Good on your mate, I always enjoy chatting. I would
love it if you came back next Sunday.

Speaker 13 (01:12:38):
Yeah, you know what, I'll do that too.

Speaker 11 (01:12:41):
That's the kind of person I am. I love it
being on this show.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
James for Cody massive part of our Sundays here at
News Talks EDB seven to two.

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Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
Four to two on Tech Chase and what about. Some
comments on the fantastic A League debut by Van Fitzharris
last night for Aukland in an extremely entertaining game. Bang on,
it was a terrific game. Absolutely loved it, a two
to two draw. And yes, Van fitz Harris on debut,
just recently turned eighteen, played most of his junior football.

(01:13:21):
I think in Todonga, todong A City, Mount Monganui junior
came off the bench and he was introduced by Steve
Coricker and I thought he gave a greater account of himself,
added energy intent, didn't look overawed by the situation at all.
So yes, absolutely more than happy to give a lot

(01:13:42):
of kudos to Van fitz Harris on a leg douboo
last night, special night for he and his family after
two Wayne Goldsmith coaching guru. Why have they stopped keeping
score in kids games? In Norway?

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and this out I want to get you inside the
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Northern Mystics to open their AM's Premiership Netball season. They've
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(01:14:54):
Chris Greenacre's on the show coach of the Phoenix. They
take on Melbourne City this afternoon at five o'clock Amy
Park and very shortly Wayne Goldsmith are coaching Guru on.
A really interesting article is written and some analysis to
Whyian Norway they're taking a completely different approach to youth
sport or on that just a sec as well. Oh
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty As always as our

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number nine two ninety two for your text messages, But
as we always do at around about this time on
weekend sport, it's time to catch you up with some
of the stuff that you might have missed quite off
it's been going on, so let's get you across some
of it. To the NRL, we know all about the Warriors,
but earlier on yesterday the Raiders held on to beat
a fast finishing South Sydney Rabbitos side.

Speaker 6 (01:15:39):
Last play for the Rabbitos, can they make it a
winning play.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
The tronitil will kick hi. How do I tell if Dockton.

Speaker 6 (01:15:48):
In a contact with Stuart Tockton had its, he had
its and he lost its. South Sydney will be beaten, Candra, We'll.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
Hang on but a thriller, Yeah, thirty six thirty four
at the final score to the Raiders. The Roosters then
came back from tween two six down to beat the
Sharks thirty four to twenty two.

Speaker 20 (01:16:10):
The close games down like this, up they go comes
back for the Roosters. Still, the last comes to Ridley.
Bradley goes over and that should be the ball game.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
New Zealand driver Ryan Wood has made history at Towpaw
Motorsport Park.

Speaker 21 (01:16:26):
They join the winners club in Supercars.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
Toyota win for the first time in the Rip Coast
Supercars Championship and the Kiwi Hero delivers. Rid Wood winning
yesterday's second race at the Topaul four forty, the third
ki We to win at the venue, following Matt Payne
last year and Andre Heimgartner at the inaugural event in
twenty twenty four. Aukland FC and Melbourne victory played out

(01:16:51):
an A League thriller at go Media last night. Surely
brook won't leave this four for terrace.

Speaker 16 (01:16:59):
It is branch.

Speaker 21 (01:17:02):
Deficit, drop the lot what I went for the top
corner and they did see on level again.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
It finished two to two and then Newcastle needed a
very late equalizer to draw one one with Adelaide Adams.

Speaker 6 (01:17:22):
Oh it Will Murray wow TI till the stoppage.

Speaker 17 (01:17:30):
Time and Will.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
Murray has found his first off this season and war.

Speaker 8 (01:17:35):
Time to score it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
So at Newcastle stay three points ahead of Auckland FC
with two rounds to go in the regular season and
finally in the Premier League League leaders Arsenal have lost
to to one at home to Bournemouth.

Speaker 19 (01:17:51):
Rudie Brooks.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
Touch for Alex Scott's who Buries It.

Speaker 20 (01:18:01):
Sharp in Take a Breath right around the Emirates.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
Tromouth in front for a second time.

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
Analyzing the plays and getting the insight Weekend Sport with
Jason Vine News Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
It's coming up eleven past two regular listeners to the
show have come to greatly enjoy as I have the
contributions of coaching guru Wayne Goldsmith. His latest article was
one I wanted to get him on to talk about.
It takes a fascinating look at why countries like Norway
are rethinking competition altogether when it comes to youth sport.

(01:18:38):
The idea less focus on winning, no official scorekeeping for
younger kids, and a bigger emphasis on enjoyment, participation and
long term development. It's a model that's producing both happier
athletes and interestingly also world class performers. Wayne Goldsmith is
with us. Wayne, always great having you on the radio

(01:18:59):
with us. Can you start by explaining the core idea here?
Why doesn't Norway keep score in kids sport?

Speaker 8 (01:19:08):
Well?

Speaker 18 (01:19:08):
I think pine over the years and the discussions you
and I have had, and I think if you talk
to people in the sporting organizations in New zeal And, Australia,
around the world, I think everybody sort of gets the
idea that no, really there's no ten year old champions
and that junior sports should be about fun then in
games and learning to love the sport. I think we

(01:19:31):
all were pretty much there. We know that, but what
always done is they've gone from yes, we know we
should do it, They've actually gone we're going to do it,
and we're going to say, look, we want kids just
to fall in love with the game. So then they've gone,
what are the things that stop kids from falling in
love with the game? What are the negative experiences? Well,

(01:19:54):
the ferocious passion to kick scores in the under sevens, Well,
let's not keep scores. What else can we do, Well,
we're not going to We don't want clubs, we don't
want sporting organizations to be promoting high intensity, high level
competitions the kids under about the age of thirty and forty.
In fact, we're going to back that to the point

(01:20:15):
we're going to make it illegal to do it. So
what always done is if you look, I guarantee if
we went into Rugby New Zealand, they're on New Zealand
from in New Zealand and said, what do you guys think?
Conceptually they go, yeah, we know this is kids are
going to have fun. Parents have got to stop worrying
and stressing about it. But they're not going to do

(01:20:35):
it because it's a very very difficult political thing to implement,
And always gone, we're going to put the interest of
the kids first and foremost, and we're going to make
it happen. And now I think it's a courageous thing
they've done.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
Courageous is right, And it's not the kids making the
decision either way. And is it these are adults making
these decisions about what is best for kids sports. What
is the problem they are actually trying to solve here?
Is it the fact that too many kids lose and
enjoy and early and drop out completely? Is that the

(01:21:09):
problem they're trying to solve?

Speaker 18 (01:21:12):
Well, it is, Pint, And I think you know there's
you know, sports are very very conservative institution.

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
Now.

Speaker 18 (01:21:18):
We think about sport as being about progress and innovation
and winning and breaking records and setting new barriers, but
in reality, most sport is like a warm, companying blanket.
You go to the club, it's always the same people
doing the same things the same way, and you feel
at home. And people in community sport and communities around

(01:21:40):
the world, they want to feel that sport's not going
to change much. And we've always had junior rep teams,
we've always kept score for the eights and nines and tens,
and we've always had club champions at seven, eight, nine, ten,
So there's a reluctance to change no matter what the
evidence might say. But if you actually dig into the evidence,

(01:22:01):
we know that the kids who are training at high
levels at a young age. Don't stick with that. They
get the fort in a fifteen and they go, no,
I've had too much, too soon, too early, too hard.
They do something else.

Speaker 8 (01:22:13):
We know that the.

Speaker 18 (01:22:13):
Majority of those superstar eight, nine, ten, eleven year old
kids almost never, almost never make it to the top
as elite athletes because they change and they grow and
things are different. So we know that the research and
the data from many many places around the world, including
New Zelle, say focus and over focus on elite sport

(01:22:36):
too early doesn't grow the sport, doesn't increase participation, it
doesn't increase the quality of the top end, so we
don't get better athletes. All right, well, why are we
doing it?

Speaker 8 (01:22:47):
If we're not.

Speaker 18 (01:22:47):
Getting more kids and it's not producing better elite level players,
why are we doing it? The answer is we've always
done it that way and it's very difficult to change.
And again, the Norwegians have seen the same data that
we've seen and the same research that we've seen here
in England and a straighted can everywhere else, but they've
actually done something about it. And the funny thing is

(01:23:08):
Petty that if you would have said, you know what,
we're going to decrease emphasis on elite sport. We're going
to decrease emphasis on a junior development pathways. A lot
of people would have gone, well, that's going to impact
negatively on producing elite level Olympic class professional plays. It's
actually produced the opposite by encouraging participation and encouraging a

(01:23:31):
lot of the game and decreasing the emphasis on early specialization.
They've got better at top end. And I think that's
what's now starting people on in a minute, there's something
going on here. Maybe we need to follow them.

Speaker 2 (01:23:45):
The conservatism is a really interesting point in this way,
and and you touched on it before. I can hear
a couple of our listeners saying, come on, Wane, you've
gone a bit woke, you've gone a bit soft, not
keeping score. What do you mean? What's your reaction to
that reaction?

Speaker 17 (01:24:03):
Yeah, I see the thing.

Speaker 18 (01:24:06):
So you're one of those everyone gets a prize sort
of guys. Are you're waying? And say, well, you know
yes and no, and look we know that if you've
got two kids in a swimming pool and they're eight
and they're in the backyard, the first thing you're going
to say to each other is I bet I can
beat you to the other end. And there's nothing wrong
with being a little bit competitive and wanting to race
your friends or you know, want a school girls. All

(01:24:28):
that stuff's all wonderful and being part of the game.
But where we've gone too far is we've gone all
that matters is winning and losing, all the matters of success.
If you're ten years of age and you're successful and
you're winning races, we're interested in you and we're going
to put you part of our pathway system. Everybody else
we don't care so much. And when you take a

(01:24:49):
breath and you think about it, so well, no, if
all we care about is winning and losing, if all
we care about a success and failure at a young age,
think about all those kids that are in the under
twelve rep team, you know, under twelve local netbog rep
team or under twelve, under eleven, under twelve like a
rugby team. The kids are in those teams are usually

(01:25:10):
the biggest, stronger, faster kids, or the kids have been
training very hard very early. But think for a moment
about the ninety eight percent of kids who are not
in those rep teams. Their brains are going well, clearly
I'm not very good. I'm never going to make it
for the top, or clearly I'm not good enough to
make it successfully as an all black. I'm never going
to play for the friends. What am I wasting my

(01:25:31):
time for? And they walk away. So for those very
very small number of elite level supposed elite level kids.

Speaker 8 (01:25:39):
They think it's great.

Speaker 18 (01:25:40):
The parents love getting on social media and saying, isn't
it fantastic my daughter Julie's in the underten rep team?
But think about the other ninety nine percent of kids.
You go, we, well, that means I'm no good And
the parents why say well.

Speaker 8 (01:25:53):
They're no good?

Speaker 18 (01:25:54):
Why are we wasting our time and money taking them
to fall of rugby or football? It's clearly they're no good.
But it's exactly they're the kids that we want to
keep and you know, make the is you know, come
back from Ireland and Scotland and the Netherlands and Canada
and competitive sport is desperate to retain teenagers and it

(01:26:16):
looks like the way that Norway is going is a
pretty good strategy. So sustained kids, interest in enthusiasm, the
stay in sport, and that's what we're about. Aren't we
we want every New Zealand fourteen fifteen, sixteen year old
kid playing something and not going I hate sport because
I was no good at eight. And that's It's a

(01:26:37):
big mind shift, but we've got.

Speaker 21 (01:26:38):
To do it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
You've taken my next question. It is a big mind
shift switch. You talk about going from performance to play.
How big a mindset change is that for coaches and parents?
And does it need something like what Norway have done
in an overarching sense to get the ball rolling here
or can it be done independently of governance of that form?

Speaker 18 (01:27:04):
Well, mate, I'm not over.

Speaker 8 (01:27:06):
I know I'm in New Zealand at the moment.

Speaker 18 (01:27:08):
I'm not trying to make a whole bunch of New
Zealand friends. I've got plenty. New Zealander's reputation is being
very innovative, very creative, and there's no reason why the
system that is produced in New Zealand can't be worldly,
can't be as good or better than the Norway system.

(01:27:31):
To me, it starts with the individual. Sports have got
to change their coach education. There's a first step. So
if I'm running the coach education for nep On New Zealand,
for rugby, New Zealand for rowing news whatever it is,
the first thing I've got to do in my level
one beginning coaching courses is instead of starting out talking
about how to produce great athletes, how to do strength training,

(01:27:54):
how to liftlates, first season's got to be how to
create great relationships for kids. Second session, how to build
great connections with kids and families. Third systems, how to
create environments which are fun and in enjoyable that kids
want to come back to.

Speaker 14 (01:28:08):
That.

Speaker 18 (01:28:09):
We've got to start there because in most sports, coaches
and I say this quite out and I think in
most sports coaches are the sport. And what I mean
by that is the daily experience of sport. Any sport
is generally delivered by coaches. So it's the way that
the coaches coach. When how many kids in New Zeoland

(01:28:30):
sit around at night, going hey, coach said this to day,
she told me I.

Speaker 12 (01:28:33):
Have to do this.

Speaker 18 (01:28:34):
Coaches word is almost lord with in junior sport. The
kids and the parents follow what the coaches are saying,
what the coaches believe. So our first step is we've
got to change our coaching courses to focus on making
training fun, making training enjoyable, making fitness, fun and engaging.
Going to get to them first. Second thing, got to

(01:28:56):
get to the parents and say to parents, you know
what in junior sport, victory is turning up again, winning
is rockington and change the mindset. But it's the hard
thing to do with parents is you're changing a fundamental
belief structure about what parenting is all about, which is
I want to see my kids successful. I want to

(01:29:17):
see my kids happy. That means my kids have to win.
I'm only happy if they're winning. We are to change
it to say, no, well, I'm happy if my kids
are My kids are happy and they're healthy, and they're
having fun, and they've got friends and they're learning, that's
when I'm happy, and shift from my kids are only
happy when they're winning. But start with coaches, focus on parents,

(01:29:38):
and we can change it around. We really really can.
But it's a system wide, almost a nationwide approach to
saying what's in the best interest of key wee kids.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
Can I just ask you one final question about the
development of resilience and some would say that you know,
you've got to develop a hard nosed competitive attitude early
on as a child. And I know opponents of what
you're saying, will say, Hey, well, I want I want
my kid to develop that early. Is there evidence to
suggest that actually we can still produce tough, resilience competitive

(01:30:11):
athletes by reducing pressure early on.

Speaker 18 (01:30:16):
Ah, pioneer, my friend, my friend, you always give me
the best questions that it depends what just think resilience is.
To me, resilience is the ability to deal whatever the
world throws at you and move on quickly. You can
have players and athletes who you think are tough because
they grit their teeth and they look bigger than me.

(01:30:38):
That's not resilience. That's just some form of aggression. To me.
When I see kids have got real resilience when something
they don't know what happens to them, they get a
bad call from an umpire, they get a little bit
of an injury or knock, they make a mistake, they
move on quickly. And that's got nothing to do with
winning or losing. That's a skill of mom and dad

(01:30:59):
can learn. And I'll do an a parent session soon
down in Hawks Bay and to the parents, I talk
about creating situations at home where kids learn to be independent,
where kids learn to do things for themselves because confidence
comes from knowing. Knowing comes from doing. The more kids
do for themselves, even doing things like packing their bags,

(01:31:21):
emptying and filling their water bottle, getting up in the
morning by themselves. More kids can do, they become, the
more they can do, the more they believe they can do,
the more confident they become. And so resilience isn't about competitiveness.
That it's not winning at all costs. That's a difference
in real resilience is a kid who can deal with
the disappointment, deal with the frustration and not being selected,

(01:31:45):
miss a goal from right in front and move on quickly.
And they learn that to really good coaching, and they
learn that through their experiences or their mum and dad
embracing independence and self responsibility. And so that's got nothing
to do with how they have junior sport. And you know,
that's the beauty of it is. You know what they

(01:32:06):
normal agents have been able to do. By encouraging these
things and encourage your sense of enjoyment and play, it's
had an impact on high performance. It's quite and I
think it's taken everyone by surprise. And after three Olympic
cycles of seeing this, I think the rest of the
world's really starting to take notice.

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
Wayne. Your contributions to the show are always interesting, always
thought provoking. We always get a whole heap of feedback
and this won't be any exception. Thank you so much
for taking the time. Enjoy the rest of you. Stay
here in New Zealand. Hope you can get home.

Speaker 18 (01:32:35):
Okay, yes, I know the cyclone could be a big
problem at some stage, but look like in swim and
you know it's only four or five days of threshing
out there in the Tasman will be home.

Speaker 2 (01:32:47):
Wayne Goldsmith. Always enjoy having him on the radio with
us WG Coaching dot com as his website. Heaps of
good stuff on there as well. If you want to
read more and hear more from Wayne. Couple of texts
through already. Also get the parents to stand one hundred
meters away from the game and ban them from trying
to coach the kid on the way home. I coached
football for fourteen years and parents take it far too seriously.

(01:33:10):
Another text here from Neil saying Norway following in the
footsteps of Iceland and Belgium. There are some good articles
and papers on them. Banning scores and lead of boards
years ago it's led to their over performance compared to
their population base. A bit about coaching on the way
home is very interesting to me. To me, when you

(01:33:31):
take your kids home after sport, there are only two
questions you should be asking, did you have fun? And
what would you like to eat? Two twenty six it
is when we come back. We're into the Northern Stars
netball team, their new captain Mila Raulier Buchanan getting set
to lead them into battle against the Mystics in a
couple of hours. Times you're going to chat to us
after this The biggest names in sports talk to Fine

(01:33:55):
Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, News TALKSB News Talks AB
and Weekend Sport. It is two twenty nine. The new
an Zet Premiership Netball season is underway. Six teams double robin.
Top three go into the final series. Yesterday the Central
Pulse beating the White cut Or Bay of plenty Magic
fifty three forty five defending champions the Mainland Tactics fifty

(01:34:16):
five forty two winners over the Southern Steel and to
complete round one a local derby at Pullman Arena this afternoon.
Stars the Mystics Center pass is at four o'clock Silver
Fern's mid quarter and Stars Captain Mila Radio Buchanan as
with us, Mela, can we start there? Actually, Captain, you're

(01:34:37):
leading the Stars this season. You are the skipper. What
does that responsibility mean to you personally?

Speaker 13 (01:34:44):
No, Kilder pliny, thank you for having me on. It's
always a pleasure having a good ol yarm with you.
And yeah, like you say, looking forward to today and
getting this season underway. Captain for me just the title mate,
nothing more than that. I think everyone leaves in their
own right and I'll continue to leave in my actions.

(01:35:04):
But other than doing the toss, the great thing about
this team is that we all steep up. So it's
an exciting time. It's a huge honor, of course, but
it's nothing more than what I already bring and have
to bring to the team.

Speaker 2 (01:35:20):
So it's all changed around the league this season, well
not all change, but a lot of change around the season.
A lot of new players coming in, some current and
former silverf Firms now playing in Australia. Does it feel
like a bit of a reset or even a new
era of sorts?

Speaker 13 (01:35:37):
Yeah, I mean you can set it in that life.
I mean I think there was concerns around the competition
not being as competitive this season, but I can tell
you right now from watching the preseasons and being part
of that and playing up against the teams, if anything,
it's just as strong and it creates an ability for players,
the younger players coming through to have the opportunity in

(01:36:01):
this level. We talk about gross, we talk about developing
our younger players and you'll see that with a lot
of experience. So yeah, it is almost a new era
for Netble New Zealand here, but it's exciting. It's exciting
to see other players have opportunities and to see their
growth continuing from the older players as well.

Speaker 2 (01:36:21):
Which I've look, a couple of new faces in your squad.
You've added a bit of shooting depth. Martina Salmon Amelia
Warmsley have both come and what have they added to
your environment?

Speaker 13 (01:36:31):
Yeah, look, it's exciting to have our shooters in the team.
As we know, both have had experience with the Silver
Ferns and look, they are two young players, Amelia and Martina,
but they also I think probably because they've been playing,
you know, at this high level for a long time.

(01:36:52):
The maturities there, they bring, experience, they bring accuracy, two
very very accurate shooters, probably the most accurate shooters, I
would say in the competition. And yeah, not just that,
but they bring a lot of fun and energy, something
that was kind of missing in our environment. And it's
just really exciting to have the likes of Meals who

(01:37:14):
have come from a successful franchise to bring that winning
mentality to the group, as well as my Tina you
know the Technics where she came from. They actually won
the premiership last year, so we're very lucky.

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
So in terms of forging new combinations then, because you'll
be from mid court feeding into these two new shooters,
I know you know them from from the self affirms,
but how much have you worked on meshing quickly and
establishing those those combinations feeding into the shooting circle.

Speaker 13 (01:37:42):
Yeah, Look, it's always you know, that's what pre season
is about, is building those connections. And this year as well,
preseason is not as long as it used to be,
so you're kind of under you know, tight time constraints.
But I'm very lucky that I have had the opportunity
to play with them during the international season and it's
just I guess it's understanding how each individual player holds,

(01:38:06):
how they come off the body, but also how they
like to take I guess like feedback in the moment.

Speaker 8 (01:38:13):
You know.

Speaker 13 (01:38:14):
I know with meals you can be quite direct, but
with Teina you've got to find another way that helps
her to to assure her that she's doing a good job.
So they both there's not a I mean, they both
have the potential and the talent, so it makes our
jobs easier to be here. So yeah, I can't wait
for you all to see those connections coming to come

(01:38:36):
to light.

Speaker 2 (01:38:37):
Which bub are we likely to see you most in
this year?

Speaker 13 (01:38:43):
Yeah? I think mostly this year, I would say center,
And that's kind of how it has been over the
last eight years with the Stars. I know that when
I have been in this ORF and their preferences wing attack,
But I think for me it's just I will play
wherever my coaches want me, in whatever environment, whatever team,
And I think it's important to show versatility as well

(01:39:05):
that I can. I can and crossover. But we've got
a strong team of players, and our especially in the
mid court, well across the whole. We've got debts across,
but mid court was bought for choice in terms of
where players can go so look, you might even see
me in the gol Tech position. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:39:22):
I've just actually, when I was getting ready to tack
to you, I did bring up your profile on the
Star's website and it's got center wing attack and then
it has got gold attack. So what are we looking
at that possibility?

Speaker 13 (01:39:34):
Well, it's funny because when they asked for our positions,
I actually put Goltech as a joke and were laughing
at me. I didn't realize. I didn't realize my manager
was actually going to gold attack on my profile.

Speaker 17 (01:39:46):
So I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:48):
I love that. I love it. You open the season
with the derby against the Mystics this afternoon. They've been
in many ways the competition benchmark for a while. How
much are you looking forward to that challenge straight away?

Speaker 13 (01:39:59):
Yeah, it's also a battle up against the Mystics. They
know how to win and they have, you know, one
very consistent team, and so for us it's exciting to
come against the other organ team. You know, you've got
that natural rivalry going on, and I think for us

(01:40:19):
it's kind of just focusing on nailing our own jobs
first instead of getting caught up on what they do.
And yeah, I think it's just it's going to be
a great battle, and as you know, as it's our
first game, I think everyone's just kind of eager to
see what comes out of today. So yeah, now looking

(01:40:40):
forward to to seeing how we go.

Speaker 2 (01:40:42):
There's no getting away from the fact that twenty twenty
five was disappointing for the Stars. So how determined and
driven are you to put that behind you and and
to bring a freshness and a reinvigoration into twenty twenty six.

Speaker 13 (01:40:59):
Yeah, look, I've already pot last season behind me. You know,
there's no point in holding on to the past unless
it conn of service curvise. But because we've had so
many different players come from different teams, naturally we have
had a real refresh in the group. So we've brought
all the positives that have come out of What If.

(01:41:20):
The teams have all been in bringing it into our team,
but also bringing our own new.

Speaker 11 (01:41:26):
Mixed to the group.

Speaker 13 (01:41:27):
And there were lots of learnings from from the last
few seasons for us with the Stars, but we're a
completely different team, so it's exciting to see what, you know,
what this new group brings. And we've been working extremely
hard over the last ten weeks to get to where
we are. So I really hope that all that hard
work is rewarded come this afternoon in.

Speaker 2 (01:41:51):
Every game on Free to Wear TV this season. How
big a boost does that to the to the players
and to the competition.

Speaker 13 (01:41:58):
Yeah, look, I think it's you know, other than I
guess you know, everything that's happened in Nick New Zealand,
I think it's really cool that there's an opportunity for
nible to be watched for free across New Zealand and
particularly you know, nipple is the most played sport by
women women as well, and I think it's important that

(01:42:20):
people can access that for free. And as we know,
you know, the challenges that we faced every day financially
with everything going on, what better way to have NITBLL
free for people to watch and enjoy.

Speaker 2 (01:42:38):
As you mentioned, it's been a challenging old time, hasn't
it for for NEPO the last twelve months or so
for various reasons. What's it like being so deeply involved
in the game during that time.

Speaker 13 (01:42:51):
Yeah, look, not gonna lie. It was a challenge to
be part of to have to go through what we
went through, but then having but then having to perform,
you know, Like I think at the end of the day,
there was still a job to do and that was
to perform at the highest level whilst all the tales
around us was happening as athletes. So I don't think

(01:43:13):
people actually realize the challenges that we had to face
on a daily So I'm really proud going to reflect
back on that time of how the girls all came
together and supported supported one another to and surely could perform,
and to see that as well and were reflecting back

(01:43:33):
on our compositions we did just that. We did show up,
we did show up for each other and we performed,
and that's not easy when you're you know, your career
is there for the whole world to judge. And yeah,
I was just really proud of the group when I
look back on such a challenging time.

Speaker 2 (01:43:50):
Very well said and light of the year, there's a
Commonwealth Games. You're a fixture in the Silver Ferns last year,
of course some is that a goal of yours getting
on the plane to Glasgow later in the year.

Speaker 13 (01:43:59):
Yeah, definitely, it's always a goal of mine to be
in the Silver Ferns and you know, I'll keep continuing
to work to that to that goal, and I think
for it's just taking it one game at a time,
one step by step with the Stars and then hopefully
you know, the rest respect for itself.

Speaker 8 (01:44:13):
So I know what I need to do.

Speaker 13 (01:44:16):
And you know, I'm kind of at that point where
I'm almost a veteran in the game now, so you know,
I see it as when I play, it's like, you
know what to do? You have no excuse his relief.
So yeah, yeah, we'll see how we get on.

Speaker 2 (01:44:29):
Yeah, looking forward to seeing how it plays out. An
exciting year ahead for you, Mela and for the game
and netball. Here all the best against the Mystics this afternoon.
Thanks for chatting as always awesome.

Speaker 13 (01:44:37):
Thank you so much, appreciate it takes here you take
care to Mila.

Speaker 2 (01:44:40):
Thanks indeed, Mela or really Buchanan. She is the captain
of the Stars. They take on the Mystics in the
final game of Round one in the A and Z
Premiership Netball competition this afternoon, tent to pass at four
twenty to three. Also in action this afternoon the Wellington
Phoenix Men. In a couple of hours, they'll kick off
against Melbourne City at Amy Park. If they win this

(01:45:02):
game they will move into the top six. This is
qu remarkable given that it wasn't that long ago that
they were down and out in the eyes of many,
but three straight wins have them back in the playoff picture.
How is their coach feeling, Chris Greenacre? After this on
Weekend Sport, don't stay on.

Speaker 1 (01:45:21):
The sidelines Call eight hundred eighty ten eighty Weekend Sports
with Jason Paine, News talks That'd.

Speaker 2 (01:45:27):
Be b and Weekend Sport coming up. Sixteen away from
three of the Wellington Phoenix men are back in action
this afternoon. Now, as I said before the break, if
they were to beat Melbourne City this afternoon kick off
at five at Amy Park, they would move into the
top six. If you look back just a very short
time in fact, back to the start of March, when

(01:45:49):
the Phoenix lost one neil to Sydney FC. At the
start of March, they dropped to the bottom of the
A League ladder. But since then they've had a draw
with Adelaide United and consecutive wins against Perth Glory, Brisbane
Raw and Melbourne victory last weekend which broke a nine
year winless streak at Amy Park. They're up now to
the cusp of the top six. Win this afternoon against

(01:46:11):
Melbourne City Beck at Amy Park and they would be
in the top six. So I caught up with Wellington
Phoenix interim head coach Chris Greenacre before the team flew
out to Melbourne. First of all, asked how pleased he
was to oversee the breaking of that long running windless
streak in Melbourne.

Speaker 4 (01:46:29):
Obviously delighted with the result, but the performance was what
really mattered. I asked the players during the week to
be really, really brave. I've been part of playing teams
and coaching teams that have gone to AMI and not
got anything. And you know yourself, the kind of the
crowd get on their side, they get their tails up
and there's wave after waive of attack and it's very,

(01:46:49):
very difficult to sort of defend that. But we didn't
want to let that happen, and the fella certainly did that.
I thought with the ball we were excellent again, still
lots to improve on, you know, it still wasn't the
finished article. I think the pleasing thing is we created
a lot of opportunities and I think, like we said before,
you probably the only thing missing at halftime was a goal.

(01:47:10):
But you know, as I say, it's a difficult place
to go. They're a good side, but I thought in
the second half they probably shaded it.

Speaker 19 (01:47:17):
In the second half.

Speaker 4 (01:47:17):
I think that's probably proved that as well. But on
the whole how how we were brave and took the
game to them was the most pleasing aspect.

Speaker 2 (01:47:24):
So you go back there again on Sunday, do you
go back with lighter shoulders because you have won there
or does it not really matter? This is a whole
new kiddler.

Speaker 4 (01:47:33):
Fish, different ketor fish undercent, so it's another game, another
tough game, tough team again, It's still a tough place
to go and you know, not going to hide from
the fact. So I'll be honest, we never It was
only afterwards when people sort of reminded us that we
haven't won their for ages that actually never came on
the radar, so that's probably negligent on my part, but
it never actually didn't. Again, just to reiterate the fact

(01:47:55):
that we're just taking literally each moment as it comes.
So it was nice to hear that we got the
voodo off our back. But this is a different ketlor
fish again, It's a game that will. You know, we
respect them hugely. You know they're a good side, They've
got some good plays. But we'll go there with a
similar mentality and hopefully we can get the same outcome
if that's possible.

Speaker 2 (01:48:16):
Just one more on the victory game. It wasn't as
though you piked the bass and knicked one in the
ninetieth minute. Yes, you scored near the end, but you
must be delighted with the way that you controlled the game,
particularly in the first half. I know you've alluded to it,
but what was behind the very very good first half
from your team in particular?

Speaker 4 (01:48:32):
Again, first and foremost, I just wanted us to be
brave and get on the ball. And I think we
had a couple of moments where we kind of knew
how they were going to press, and we sort of
tweaked a little bit here and there, but the way
that we had players that wanted the ball and wanted
to get on the ball, and there's a difference. You
want to get on the ball and try and dictate
how you want to play, and that's how I want
to coach and how I want my teams to play.

Speaker 19 (01:48:53):
And so I think we did that.

Speaker 4 (01:48:55):
As I said, they wanted players to be brave, and
bravery is not just about being physical and you know,
being hard to be. It's about wanting the ball and
wanting to do the hard part of the game. Win tackles,
win headers. At times, you've got to do the hard,
difficult part of the game. I think we did that
very well, but most pleasingly think they had players that
wanted the ball and as soon as that starts to happen,
you can dictate how you want to play a little

(01:49:16):
bit more than the normal. So again, it was just
encouraging that the week we had in training was excellent.
The boys are really listening to what I'm wanting and
what the coaching staff are wanting. They're listening to the
advice we're giving them in the way we want to
try and break teams down, and they're really taking that
on board. And whilever you've got a group of players
doing that, it's a kind of privileged to coach.

Speaker 19 (01:49:34):
Whether you get the results or not is a different matter.

Speaker 4 (01:49:37):
But first and foremost is getting a team that wants
to get on the ball and be brave is what
I want, and that they're delivering that at the moment.
So we have to keep doing that, it won't just
happen for itself. It won't just turn up and it
will happen. We have to really work hard at doing
that and that's what we're trying to do.

Speaker 2 (01:49:52):
So what you've done now is put your distanty back
in your own hands, because you still play MacArthur in
Melbourne City, who are above you and challenging for the six.
If you ruin both of those games and beat the Wanderers,
you make the sucks. That's mathematically certain. Are you starting
to look at the table now or not?

Speaker 19 (01:50:10):
No, you don't want to hear it, but no, I'm not.
As I said.

Speaker 4 (01:50:12):
We said before that when I first came in, if
we were to win every game, there's a chance that
we couldn't make the sick. So again, we need to
keep you know, churning day after day. Every moment on
the training field matters, and that's what we'll continue doing.
And then you know, at the end of it, we'll
see where we mash up in the outcome and see
where we're going. If if finals is our destiny, then

(01:50:34):
we'll prepare for that, and if it's not, we can
say that we had a really good go at it.
So I'll continue with that mindset of we'll keep striving
to where we want to go. And I think if
you ever did dream of being in the playoffs, you
need momentum going in there. And so that's why the
performances and the way we keep improving really really matters,
because you need. For me, I've always been a believer

(01:50:55):
in that teams that get into finals need to be
on a bit of a role. You don't want to
be a team that goes in there just scraping in
by you know, mixed results, mixed performances. It's consistency and performances.
And that's what I've been you know, alluding to all
the time. That's that's what I want our players to do.
What's want the group to do. The subs that come on,
they've got a role to play, and they're certainly playing

(01:51:17):
their role at the moment as well. So there's a
whole heap of things going on that keeps that consistency.
And it's just about literally taking each moment as it comes,
and we'll we'll continue to do that until it's not possible.

Speaker 2 (01:51:27):
Just a couple of player updates, if you could turn
Paine didn't travel supposely just spec up a thego other
day before you traveled, can update there and also separate.

Speaker 4 (01:51:37):
Yeah, it was just more fatigue on paying his part,
to be honest. You know, he's played, you know, two
starts for the All Whites in close succession. I think
it was like four days between both games, so it's
kind of something we thought may happen. And again there's
a bigger picture there, so you know, we decided to
for Tim not to train at toy to travel. So
I Peep's back with a group and he's he's had

(01:51:59):
a week sort of on feet modified but he's on feet,
so it's great to have him back. So he's he's
sort of integrating with the boys again, which is which
is so on the whole we've got the kind of
full deck of cards really, so you know we're looking
forward to to go into Melbourne with that and you
know you've got some headaches to fulfill and there the
headaches you want as a coach.

Speaker 2 (01:52:17):
You can always ask you about one of those hit
actually one of those selection issues, and that's Calo ami Into.
He played a big role and a chief eet list.
So in the last few games in particular under you,
does he still have a key role to play in
this team for the rest of the season.

Speaker 19 (01:52:29):
One hundred percent.

Speaker 4 (01:52:30):
He does, like every player does, even the young players
that we've had minimal game time, all play a part
in it.

Speaker 19 (01:52:35):
First and foremost.

Speaker 4 (01:52:36):
It's on a daily basis in the training ground, keeping
players who are kind of in front of them on
their toes because without that competition, I don't think.

Speaker 19 (01:52:44):
You get the rewards on the pitch. But Carlo has
been outstanding.

Speaker 4 (01:52:48):
He had a good, good season before I came in,
and again we've just tweaked the system slightly and it
probably doesn't favor.

Speaker 19 (01:52:54):
Him as much.

Speaker 4 (01:52:56):
You know, Calo and I have had a really good
understanding about that. But his attitude, first and foremost for me,
has been excellent, and he's there training every day, is
a really popular character, is very very chirpy, which I
really like. But yeah, he's a huge part to play.
So again, I've got no problems in Carlos starting at
the weekend. So that's that's as honest as I can
be with it. So but as I say, he's one

(01:53:17):
of a number of players who are really on a
daily basis putting their best foot forward.

Speaker 19 (01:53:22):
And while they do that, then you know things will
be okay for us.

Speaker 2 (01:53:25):
That is Chris Greenacre, interim head coach of Wellington Phoenix.
At some point over the next little while you would
expect that he would be offered the gig full time,
particularly if the team keeps winning the way they are.
Melbourne City are next on the agenda for Wellington Phoenix
this afternoon, five o'clock at Amy Park, eight away from three.
News Talk Zip the big names and the big calls

(01:53:45):
on your home of sport Weekend Sport with Jason Fine
News Talk ZIMB five to three. Then it'll do us
for weeken Sport for today. Tim beverages after three with
a weekend collective Sunday edition and he'll keep you updated
with all you need to know regarding the affix of
the cyclone on different parts of New Zealand. Thank you
for tuning in this afternoon and across the weekend. In

(01:54:06):
massive thanks to Andy McDonald for producing the shows. We've
enjoyed bringing them to you very much. Indeed, we'll be
back on sports Talk tomorrow night taking us out well.
I mentioned keeping you safe, so safety Dance is our
exit song today. We'll see tomorrow night weekend. Everybody look

(01:54:26):
at your hearts. Everybody's taking the.

Speaker 14 (01:54:31):
Time the dance.

Speaker 2 (01:54:37):
Let's see if the dance.

Speaker 17 (01:54:39):
The dance.

Speaker 4 (01:54:52):
We've got on on life to mind as long as
we have.

Speaker 2 (01:54:58):
I've gone under that. Guys, we can We've been leaving
on around behind because of hands don't dance, and ever
they don't dance. No grounds mine weeged dance. Wee can dance.

Speaker 8 (01:55:13):
Everything's out of control. A weekend balance.

Speaker 10 (01:55:17):
We can dance.

Speaker 8 (01:55:20):
A weekend dance.

Speaker 1 (01:55:21):
A week dance.

Speaker 2 (01:55:22):
Everybody look at you, A weekend dance. A week dance.
Everybody's taking the job.

Speaker 14 (01:55:32):
Dance.

Speaker 2 (01:55:33):
I haven't saved the dance, Well save the dance.

Speaker 1 (01:55:40):
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