Full Show Podcast: 18 July 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from newstalkst B. Welcome to Kingsland, where just the Stones
throwaway lies a patch of turf, A patch of turf
that has become a fortress.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Heavy All Black defend the fortress.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
A patch of turf where history weighs heavily on every
blade of grass.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Can we get on the white Eddyden Park.

Speaker 4 (00:32):
Eden Park?

Speaker 1 (00:33):
The All Blacks with our loss over thirty years undefeated,
But tonight, if the challenge is real for Dave Rennie
and his All Blacks, this is the biggest test yet.
Eighty minutes that we'll tell us exactly where this team stands.
Can they defend the fortress? Can they handle the pressure?
Can they deliver when the rugby world is watching? Join

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us where supporters gather, where anticipation fills every corner, with interviews,
inside and analysis you won't find anywhere else. Counting down
to the All Blacks Van. It's Weekend Sport with Jason
Vine Live and the Kingslander in Auckland on your home
of sports news Talk SEDB.

Speaker 5 (01:16):
He's a d Kuilt.

Speaker 6 (01:17):
Good afternoon, Welcome into another special edition of Weekend Sport
on Newstalk said b July eighteen, Test Match Saturday in Auckland.
We're coming to your live from the iconic Kingslander in
New North Road.

Speaker 5 (01:28):
I reckon just a decent Jordie.

Speaker 6 (01:30):
Barrett punt from Eden Park, head of the All Blacks
biggest challenge of twenty twenty six so far. Anticipation's been
building all week for this one. The All Blacks against Ireland,
two of the world's rugby heavyweights, a rivalry that's become
one of the most compelling in the international game. Just
four years ago, Ireland came to New Zealand and made history,
becoming the first visiting team in the professional era to

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win a series. Here they proved they could beat the
All Blacks on Kiwi soil, and they have arrived in
Auckland believing they can do it again tonight. But this
is a different All Black side under Dave Rennie. Two
wins from Tutor start, a new era, victory over France
and Italy and now comes the Acid Test. The All
Blacks have won the last three meetings with Ireland, including

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that unforgettable Rugby World Cup quarterfinal in Paris. Another victory
tonight would send a powerful statement to the rest of
the rugby world. Also standing in Island's way tonight. One
of the more remarkable records in world sport, Eden Park
an All Blacks fortress for more than three decades unbeaten
on this ground in fifty two test matches dating back
to nineteen ninety four.

Speaker 5 (02:35):
Another chapter ready to be written.

Speaker 6 (02:37):
Tonight, a sold out crowd will create an atmosphere only
this famous ground can produce. Our build up starts now
between now and three o'clock will set the scene for
you from the Kingslander as we build towards a massive
night of test rugby.

Speaker 5 (02:51):
A great lineup of guests.

Speaker 6 (02:53):
Some punters here at the Kingslander will, no doubt at
some stage be keen.

Speaker 5 (02:57):
To have a chat to us.

Speaker 6 (02:57):
We'll cover off the Warriors as well tonight and the
World Cup too. Of course, you can join us whenever
you feel like at oh eight hundred and eighty ten
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at newstalksb dot Co dot NZ.

Speaker 5 (03:12):
Ten past midday.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
Counting down to All Blacks v Ireland live from.

Speaker 4 (03:17):
The Kingslander in Auckland.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
It's Weekend Sport with Jason Vine and of Volkswagen Amarak
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Speaker 6 (03:29):
Few New Zealanders have enjoyed a career as unique or
as successful as our leadoff guest today. Frano Botica played
for the New Zealand seven side in the mid to
late eighties, was part of the first New Zealand team
to win a Hong Kong seven's title in nineteen eighty six.
A provincial rugby staff in North Harbour, he made his
All Blacks debut as a member of the famous Baby
Blacks against France in nineteen eighty six and went on

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to play twenty seven times for the All Blacks, including
seven Test matches. Renowned for his goalkicking but also his
exciting and unpredictably dangerous running from first five, he switched
to rugby league in nineteen ninety and became a superstar
at Wigan. He scored one thousand points, quicker than any
player in the history of the game in Great Britain.

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He also played for the Warriors for Castleford and earned
seven caps for the kiwis one of the great duel
code players in our history. Fronto Botica. Welcome in mate,
Nice to see you.

Speaker 5 (04:24):
Good to see you again. Poney, here's twice here, twice
in two weeks.

Speaker 6 (04:28):
We were both together at a function a week ago
in Wellington and I took the opportunity to invite you
along to the Kingslander. Great to have you take up
the invitation. When you look back, now, do you see
yourself as a rugby player who switched to league or
a league player who just happened to start off playing rugby.

Speaker 7 (04:44):
That's a good CHRISTI next, I'm a rugby player who
switched to league. Probably wish I've maybe switched earlier, but
I will would have always come back to union because
the union is where I started everything. So I want
to talk about the switch to league in a minute
and all the challenges that went with that, and the
decision making as well.

Speaker 6 (05:04):
But that all black stay ble. A lot of people
you know fondly remember the baby Blacks. That's forty years ago, Fozzy,
would you remember? That's aging us both a little bit,
isn't it.

Speaker 7 (05:13):
That's probably why I'm here at twelve o'clock, because I
might be asleep by the time the game.

Speaker 5 (05:17):
Starts, you might be well, it's especially if I keep
having a beer like I am in the room.

Speaker 6 (05:22):
What was it like coming together as that Baby Blacks
team to prepare to play France? Because I get the
feeling that some of you wouldn't have known one another.

Speaker 7 (05:30):
We've we've all met over the over the previous years
at trials, et cetera. So it wasn't foreign to us,
but everyone was sort of it was a new environment
for a lot of us, you know, and it was
something we we always strive to be part of, and
then all of a sudden, there's a whole group of
us who was like walked.

Speaker 5 (05:50):
In with our eyes wide open, going what the hell
has just happened?

Speaker 8 (05:54):
You know?

Speaker 7 (05:54):
But it certainly helped us to start a lot of
amazing careers for a lot of players.

Speaker 6 (06:00):
You know you won that test, did you always feel
a degree of confidence going into it?

Speaker 9 (06:06):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (06:06):
No, I don't know about the rest of them, But
I didn't know. I was because because one of my
heroes was was Serge Blanco, So you know, I used
to watch him score tries from his own own goal line,
and I'm sort of going through my mind ship what
happens if I'm back defending and he's he's starting to

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attack me, and I can I've got to stop him,
you know, and all those sorts of things things go
through your mind, being young.

Speaker 5 (06:34):
And and and.

Speaker 7 (06:37):
Being a new territory and normally watching these games on TV,
you know. But that soon got wiped out, and we
knew that as a team of young guys we had
we really had to perform as a team otherwise, you know.

Speaker 5 (06:51):
Man for men, they were better than us if you
looked at it. So, yeah, and that's not exactly what happened,
And that's why.

Speaker 7 (06:57):
We probably beat them, because we played together as a
team and knew that that was the only way we
probably would beat them.

Speaker 6 (07:04):
At the back end of that year, your Blacks went
to France, you played in that blood bath and not
that day where we all know the famous story of
what happened to buckshelf.

Speaker 5 (07:15):
Of that day. Yeah, what do you remember about that
test match? What was it like?

Speaker 7 (07:22):
Straight off the bet It was pretty physical even before
we before we left the tunnel, you know, some of
the French were headbutting congree wolves and a bit of
spots of blood were coming out of the forehead and
was sort of looking across going hmm, it's gonna be
a tough one.

Speaker 5 (07:39):
It's gonna be a tough day in the office.

Speaker 7 (07:41):
Yeah, i'd say we were gonna we're in our money today,
but we didn't make any money.

Speaker 6 (07:45):
So because they were that fired up, even from the start,
they were just well, I mean to anyone who you believe,
and I guess we'll never know. You know, they might
have been running on something other than adrenaline that day. Anyway,
it was just an absolutely fight up French side, right, it.

Speaker 7 (08:00):
Was a fight up French side, and they had some
tough units in there, and and you know, we all
felt it. I mean a lot of us got concussed
and lost a bit of skin, like mister Shelford did.
But yeah, I mean I got concussed, so some of
it I forget. I suppose you're concussed in that game.

Speaker 5 (08:22):
Yeah, I got concussed. The next what happens? Can you
remember what happened?

Speaker 9 (08:26):
No?

Speaker 5 (08:26):
I got concussed. Yeah, so time hasn't told you afterwards
out it happened, did you get? I mean I stayed on.
I just it was a just got a hit.

Speaker 7 (08:35):
I just got a hit and sort of what got
up and went oh and you're mean. You just get
your smelly salts and give it a sniff and what
opens your eyes up?

Speaker 5 (08:46):
And you carry on your different sizes different times.

Speaker 6 (08:48):
Then nineteen eighty seven arrives. You're in the World Cup squad,
but there's a bloke named Grant Fox who plays in
the same position as you. You didn't get a single
minute at the Rugby World Cup and spend a lot
of the next two or three years trying to get
in the team that.

Speaker 10 (09:03):
He was in.

Speaker 9 (09:03):
What was that like?

Speaker 7 (09:05):
Yeah, I mean it was great to be a part
of it so and be a part of you know,
helping off the field to prepare the teams for that.
I mean, look, if it was these days, I would
have come off the bench. Yeah, I would have thought,
but because of the rules back in those days.

Speaker 5 (09:22):
It was just the way it is.

Speaker 7 (09:23):
And being a part of a World Cup winning team,
whether I set foot on the field or not as relevant.

Speaker 5 (09:30):
I was still part of it.

Speaker 7 (09:31):
I would love to have been on that field and
I thought my first chart, my best chance would have
been against Italy, but obviously wasn't so.

Speaker 5 (09:40):
But yeah, but I still loved being a part of it,
that's for sure.

Speaker 6 (09:43):
And you were part of the All Blacks from then
until the back end of the eighties, this extraordinary All
Black side. You never played a losing All Blacks team.
That was just a remarkable period of All Blacks rugby.
What was it like inside that All Blacks environment at
that time?

Speaker 7 (10:00):
I was was it was like you were a fully
professional team, you know, I mean the attitude of players obviously.
The only difference was that you know, you'd have a
few beers afterwards, but then you'd get the trainer would
take you out the next day and flog you and
get rid of.

Speaker 5 (10:17):
That be pretty quickly. Yeah, one way here or another.

Speaker 6 (10:22):
So yeah, the move to rugby League, How did it
come about? And how difficult was it to leave rugby
union behind? It was pretty easy to leave. I sort
of knew that I was going to struggle to make
the team. I was working as a career driver.

Speaker 7 (10:41):
I'd get up at six and them, well, I'd get
up at five point thirty in the morning, go to work,
finish at six, go to training. I worked out of
Carbine Road in Mount Wellington, so I'd run around the
Pameua Basin a couple of times from our depot at lunchtime,
and that was some of the extra fitness I had

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to do. And then I just throw water on my face,
jump back in the v I can grab a sandwich
and go. And I think the only time I really
pulled a hammy was jumping out of a van, not
actually playing rugby. So I did that for a couple
of years and it just got too hot. And when
I got offered some money to play rugby league, I went, well,

(11:24):
it's surely a lot easier than playing or working, yeah, and.

Speaker 5 (11:31):
Struggling to keep up with everything.

Speaker 6 (11:33):
So how was the adjustment from rugby union to rugby league?
Did you find it easy challenging somewhere?

Speaker 5 (11:38):
I think it was for certain things. It was easier
as far as as there was less less I had
to do, but I could I could.

Speaker 7 (11:48):
Actually have a go and have a run. If I
got caught, I just played the ball, so there wasn't
really a problem. So I love that side of it.

Speaker 5 (11:54):
That's for short. Some of the rules I didn't realize
for a while, and I messed up a couple of times.

Speaker 7 (12:00):
I remember catching the ball and in the goal area
and I just stood there waiting for them.

Speaker 5 (12:07):
To run up to me and then I just pushed
the board out and they said, what the hell are
you doing?

Speaker 7 (12:11):
Not in those words, but Dean Bell told me, in
no uncertain terms, don't do that again or you'll get
off the field.

Speaker 5 (12:19):
And I'll said, what do I do wrong? I used
to force it all the time in the exactly, so
I learned that one pretty quickly. That's for sure.

Speaker 6 (12:28):
Your goalkicking, I mean it was great as a rugby
player anyway. And once you got into rugby league and
as I say, you became the fastest player ever to
bring up one thousand points in rugby league in Great Britain.
How hard did you work on your goalkicking or was
it just something that came naturally to you?

Speaker 5 (12:46):
No, it never came naturally. Only I hardly did. I
didn't do a lot of training for goalkicking.

Speaker 7 (12:52):
And when I played union because I had a mindset
of of I could never be grant fox, you know,
and it was which was the wrong mindset. But that's
what I was going through my mind back in those days.
And I thought, well, if another coach comes along and
wants a running back ten, then I'm your man. But
that didn't quite happen. So I thought it's I'm gonna

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have to change what I do. Otherwise, with Wigan, who
had fourteen internationals in their team, I'd have to I'd
be sitting on the bench and everything would be same old,
same old, just a different country and I'd be freezing
sitting on the bench in England.

Speaker 5 (13:28):
So I decided to practice. They had to look at
Foxy the way he kicked.

Speaker 7 (13:32):
I took a little bit of a couple of other
people and and just went and try to mold something
that suited me. And then I practiced for two months,
five days a week, exactly the same positions on the
field every time, and eventually ended up being able to

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kick from anywhere.

Speaker 5 (13:55):
But I also had just to pressure on me. I
used to get all the little.

Speaker 7 (14:00):
Kids of fans that come and watch me, and I'd say,
run past the ball, throw things past, asked me, try
and put me off, and if I miss, I'll buy you.

Speaker 5 (14:10):
All on ice block or ice cream. Was and they
go okay. So the first day was fine, There's about
four or five of them. Next day there was like
thirty kids. I'm like, holy shit, this is going to
cost me a fortune. I haven't got plaid.

Speaker 7 (14:25):
So a couple of times in the early days, I
snuck off somewhere where no one found me because I'm
like man.

Speaker 5 (14:29):
Gold cost me your fortune. Then I came back after
a while they were all in and then I hardly missed.
So that was my incentive at the time. I loved that.

Speaker 6 (14:39):
You know, Irish rugby coach Andy Ferrell here and new
Tellan at the moment with the team ahead of tonight's
Test match. You played with him at Wigan for five
or six years when he first arrived. I think he
was there nineteen ninety one or two thousand and four.
You were there in nineteen ninety ninety five, so four
or five seasons together. He said this week that you
taught him everything he knows about goal kicking, can you remember, Yeah,

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taking him under your wing.

Speaker 7 (15:04):
Yeah he wanted to He wanted to now to kick
properly and all that. So yeah, he used to come
along with me all the time. So yeah, it was good.
And it's also good just to help, I guess sometimes
it's good to just have a little competitions against each
other to put a bit of pressure on you.

Speaker 5 (15:21):
With you, you know, because you didn't want to be
the one buying a beer.

Speaker 6 (15:24):
You know so you played seven tests for the kiwis
my favorite ones that went over Australia in nineteen ninety
one in Melbourne twenty four points to eight. I think
you played because was there something to do with matthew
Ridge wasn't able to play or something.

Speaker 5 (15:39):
I can't remember the exact story. You probably would have
played anyway, na I actually I don't know, but I'll
take that I would have played anyway, I think, so.
Thank you.

Speaker 6 (15:48):
Remember you remember much about the Knights teen Lonigan doesn't
remember much about that night.

Speaker 5 (15:52):
Lonigan doesn't. I became famous after that. Yeah. It's just
sort of convulsing on the ground, which really you had
if that's all you had to do. I would have
done that myself earlier. But beating Australia in Australia that
was that was definitely a highlight.

Speaker 7 (16:09):
I mean, obviously the putting on the all black jersey
for the first time, the Kiwi jersey for the first
time is always always special. Beating the Aussies is extremely
special because that doesn't happen often. For we won the
first one, the second one, mate, I was, I was

(16:30):
fullback and all I saw and the second test when
we when we lost got a hiding. Was Melvininger running
through the gap. I'm going, mate, can someone tackle him
before he gets to me? This is ridiculous. I don't
know how many times he came running at me. And
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 5 (16:45):
He threw the best dummies with no one outside him
that I bought. It was ridiculous. Great dummy.

Speaker 6 (16:52):
Melt on you go, beautiful, beautiful Bill Blacks are twenty
twenty six.

Speaker 5 (16:57):
How much you enjoying watching Ruben Love play at ten?
I love it, love it.

Speaker 7 (17:02):
Rubens is playing awesome rugby, very talented, very skillful, quick
can step my sort of style of rugby, and that's
so yeah. I'm I'm glad he's got the opportunity, and
I'm glad they're keeping the combination. Rey guarded him together
as long as possible, just not that they needed it.

Speaker 5 (17:23):
But it is good for Reuben at.

Speaker 7 (17:26):
That level to be playing consistently every week against quality
sides at that test match level.

Speaker 6 (17:34):
Good of course, I mean rugby league player as well.
Do you find yourself watching rugby or rugby league more often?

Speaker 9 (17:41):
Now?

Speaker 7 (17:43):
I watched them both, but like I mentioned to you earlier,
I'm I'm a speed watcher and very I mean I will.
I will start if I'm watching at home, for example,
I'll start at twenty minutes late. Oh sorry, yeah, I'll
start at twenty minutes late. I'll still watch the hunker

(18:03):
and the national anthem, and then when there's all those
lineouts and scrums, I will fast forward it to the
next action. Like it goes in ten seconds, ten seconds,
ten seconds. It's quite easy to go from scrum to
the ball, going in and letting it go because I

(18:24):
got better things to do than waste time watching the
whole game. Such an interesting observation because but if obviously
I love, I would rather watch it all live, and
that's fine. Yeah, I don't have a problem with that.
But if I'm sitting at home, same with league as well.

Speaker 5 (18:40):
You still find yourself fast forwarding league as well. A yeah,
even though there's few astopogers.

Speaker 7 (18:46):
I'll watch, I'll watch again. I'll watch it later so
I can fast forward a little bit. A bit more
depends on if someone's told me the score already, but
generally speaking, you I'll watch a bit more of the league. Yeah,
well tonight the both on at the same time. Listen

(19:07):
to question here, which one are you going to be
watching or will you? So if I start, if I
start one later than the other, then at halftime and
one of them, I'll switch over and watch it, and
then I'll come back and watch the abs again.

Speaker 5 (19:24):
And then when the game's finished, I go back and watch. Gotcha.
It's like I'll fast like, I'll do ten minutes worth it.
You're remote. It's a good work.

Speaker 7 (19:34):
I love a lot of sports, but I don't have
time to watch a lot of sports, so I'm used
to watching edited like speed watching.

Speaker 5 (19:42):
I did speed watch.

Speaker 7 (19:43):
It's a it could be a new thing of it
unless it's a great, great game, and and then I'll
I'll just stick. But I still don't want to watch
forwards wandering aimlessly up to the line out and then
they stop, and then they have a chat and then
they walk well and now and then six scrums to
get a scrum. I mean, jesus, I'm back. I'm not

(20:05):
gonna like, will you follows, hurry up and sort your
shit out. If I said there alive in front of
one of the props, that probably knocked me out.

Speaker 5 (20:14):
Yeah, no front rollers than at the bar at the
moment front So I.

Speaker 7 (20:17):
Said that Richard Lowe back in the day he would
have he would have smacked me. I normally say that
from a distance, So that's all right.

Speaker 5 (20:24):
So it takes up most of your time these days.

Speaker 7 (20:27):
I I still real estate for Bailey's up in you,
so that's my job. Otherwise I do walk armor down
at Takapuna Beach. This is why I'm I'm live with
you now because I just had to jump over the
bridge because I live in Golf Harbor and that's.

Speaker 5 (20:43):
Way too far.

Speaker 6 (20:45):
Would have got here without the walker armor exactly exactly,
And so that's that's how you stay foot.

Speaker 5 (20:51):
And any boys were rugby plants as well, won't they?

Speaker 7 (20:54):
They're still playing rugby over in France. They both go
all the way over to Fronce. One marror is of
Scott's school and one mirrors a Nusie girl.

Speaker 5 (21:02):
It's like, mate, what do you You go to France
and you marry a Scottish girl and h and an Australiania.
What the hell's going on? I'm sure they're lovely girls.
I'm perfect. They're perfect. They're perfect. They're fantastic, especially the
scott Scottish girl. Like mate, now, she is like a comedian.

(21:25):
She is so funny when she's drinking brilliant brilliant.

Speaker 6 (21:28):
So just to finish front of it, I mean, do
you still keep in touch with with your former teammates
and rugby and or rugby league?

Speaker 5 (21:35):
You still you are? You still in sort of contact
with many of them, a few of them yere.

Speaker 7 (21:40):
But it's not like I'm not really I'm not really
a Facebook, I'm not a phone. Like I'm probably in
there that old I'm a bit too old. So I'm like,
I'm sitting on Facebook and Instagram and we're looking at.

Speaker 5 (21:53):
Ship if you you know.

Speaker 7 (21:56):
I'll occasionally ring some of the boys from Wigan, Steve
Hanson over there and that, but generally speaking not not
not too much. Mainly around rugby off there's a old boys.

Speaker 5 (22:09):
And all that. But yeah, mate, I'm I'm out of
the peninsula up.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
No one.

Speaker 5 (22:15):
No one wants to come and see me. It's like
may They'll come once and then I go, I'll bugger there.
That's too far.

Speaker 7 (22:24):
Funny thing is my dad used to live there and
I lived in Milford. Took me half an hour to
get that's your dad. You live on the other side
of New Yeuland it took me half an hour to
get there. Now I live there and he lives and
so I'm like, yeah, go figure mate.

Speaker 5 (22:40):
It's some. It's great to see you. I feel like
I talked. I could talk to you all day. It's some.

Speaker 6 (22:44):
I'm delighted that your Walker Armor coincided with the same
day we're broadcasting from here, soa coad pop and I
hope you enjoy the rest of your beer. I've kept
you from it for long enough, so thanks for joining us, mate, cheers.
Thanks Bonny front of Bodica one and only joining us
here at the Kingslander on Weekend Sport.

Speaker 5 (23:00):
It's a half past twelve. We're back with more in
just a moment.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Lay from the Kingslander and as the old Eggs look
to defend the Fortress. It's Weekend Sport with Jason Vine
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Speaker 6 (23:18):
There'd be news talks, they'd been Weekend Sport twenty seven
away from one. Coming to your Life from the Kingsland
are one of the more enjoyable interviews I think I've done,
not just this year, but ever.

Speaker 5 (23:25):
Frono Bodka the one and only.

Speaker 6 (23:28):
The text the text text messages coming through at Pinty
Frano legend. I'm a speed watcher as well, for all
the same reasons Piney. How refreshing to hear real people
using real language. What a champion Frano is? This interview
is fantastic, actual facts and great stories. What an amazing career.
Can you ask Frano what it was like going on

(23:51):
tour to Vegas with the ACC team for the Wars
weekend last year. It's from Mike Lane, head of the
ACC year. Oh, Mike, you know how good man he is.
Frano's cracking me up, says Lee.

Speaker 9 (24:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (24:02):
Look, just I remember watching Fronto when I was you know,
I would have been at the peak of his powers
in the mid to late eighties. I was a teenager
and I just loved watching Fronto Bodica play. And he's
here now. He hasn't gone yet. He's still he's just
mixing with a few punters, talking some rugby. I'd like
to talk some rugby with you, if you'd like the

(24:23):
opportunity to do that, because we didn't really talk much
with Frono about tonight's game, so we can do that now.
Mills Mullyane is with us after one between now and then, though,
we can get your thoughts on eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty. Lines are open for your thoughts on any
part of the game. I've got a couple which I'll
give you, but anything that you want to pick up
on regarding the All Blacks of twenty twenty six or

(24:45):
tonight's game eight hundred eighty ten eighty, we'll talk some
All Blacks tab odds. All Blacks a dollar twenty two
Ireland four dollars. That feels very short for the All
Blacks and very long for the Irish, I have to say,
but that's where the market has driven the odds too.
That is obviously based on the weight of vestments, if

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you can call it that, that's coming through. All Blacks
a dollar twenty two Ireland four dollars. Margins are all
Blacks one to twelve, three dollars All Blacks thirteen plus
a dollar ninety five? Where are you landing in terms
of your expectation for tonight selections for the All Blacks?
Four personnel changes, one positional change in come Josh Lord

(25:31):
Patrick Twoey pilot to Quintupire, Josh Moreby to Port moves
from Locke to the blind side, so that means three
different players have worn the number six jersey in three
Test matches this year. Peter Larkeley against France, he's on
the bench tonight, while a Statti against Italy he's dropped
out of the twenty three and to porvity tonight. This

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is the position that has been hardest to fill in
the last decade. Since Jerome Kaiinor played his final Test
against the British and Irish lines in twenty seventeen, many
players have worn that six jersey, none of them have
rarely stamped their mark on that position. Ian Foster briefly
tried toupaulva at six just before the last Rugby World Cup.

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Scott Robertson gave him a decent crack there. He started
four of the first five tests of last year at
number six. Now Dave Rennie's giving him a crack there.
I don't mind the intent. I don't, but I'm not
entirely sold on it. Not because tupaul Vai isn't a
good player. In fact, it's because he's such a good player.
He is our best lock. And while we are starting

(26:38):
to build an a depth there with Sam Dowry, Josh
Lord building up their testa minutes, Patrick Twepelotto returning tonight,
Faby and Holland Scott Parrish still to come back. I
just think toopul Va is our best lock and I
like him there. I feel as though there's more than
enough depth already in our loose forwards to not have
to move a lock in there. Only eight hundred and

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eighty ten eighty is our number nine two nine two.
If you would prefer to send a text hello, Simon.

Speaker 11 (27:06):
Binny. We talked two weeks ago about the French game.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
Yes, I've got to more Dad today.

Speaker 11 (27:13):
I think that the public expectations are too high. We
don't sloss over the opposition because they're professionals and they
have the skills to be competitive, and they're world coach,
and that we haven't got that age that we had
in the front and Barica, you know, amateur days when
our boys are really hard and so skillful compared to

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the opposition.

Speaker 6 (27:36):
I think it was funny what Fronto said and it
was quite telling when he talked about being part of
that all Black side in the late eighties, Simon saying
it felt like a professional side where other teams were
still getting to that point I think the All Blacks
got to that point.

Speaker 5 (27:49):
Well before a lot of them.

Speaker 6 (27:50):
You know, they were professionals before professional rugby arrived in
nineteen ninety six. But yeah, I think Ireland are going
to again. I mean that duve Shan in the last
ten years that on the night they can beat us.
They have five times now in the last ten years.
So look, i think we'll win tonight, but it's not
going to be easy.

Speaker 11 (28:12):
Yeah. Back to our professional days. It's when the Kevaliers
took the money and that's when they had the Baby Blacks,
when all these guys made it the deboos, Keran and
Kirk were their only players that had played test matchers.

Speaker 6 (28:26):
Basically, Yeah, that was yeah, I mean that. I can't
believe it just out in front of forty forty years ago.
That was Simon forty years ago.

Speaker 5 (28:34):
It's crazy.

Speaker 11 (28:35):
Yeah, but you've got a great memory. I'm about all
sports and that and hats off here for that, but
I'm talking about now money as well. It just takes
a very good Hurricanes player like the Welsh that is
a Welsh team, but the Hurricanes young rock you were
talking about lots before and and now just poached the

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young Hurricane.

Speaker 9 (29:00):
Player, was it not not?

Speaker 5 (29:04):
You're not talking about Riley Higgins the second.

Speaker 11 (29:07):
No, no, no, he's a lock and he's from the Hurricanes.
And I think the thing the war or some well.

Speaker 6 (29:14):
Got okay, yeah, I mean I know that that super
rugby teams do find it very hard to.

Speaker 5 (29:23):
To keep players who are just that next level Simon.

Speaker 6 (29:26):
You know, who are probably not going to be all blacks,
so it's harder to keep them here when you know
when big money is being offered to them overseas. I'll
I'm sure I can work out who you're talking about.
Good to good to to chat to you, Simon, callback
anytime the feedback continues to come through on Obodica, you

(29:46):
should have Frano back sometime. I loved his style. I
think he was too early for his time in rugby.
He would be brilliant with that style playing.

Speaker 5 (29:52):
Now. I'm glad he went to Wigan and found success there.
Yes am I, Simi iris.

Speaker 11 (29:58):
Don't make dad. It was good to hear Frano.

Speaker 12 (29:59):
I've got a little story about Farano go on years ago.
He's a north Shaw boy and I was involved with
qu so he said and he said, bro Bro, he said,
we're coming.

Speaker 9 (30:08):
Over to play.

Speaker 12 (30:08):
You said, you get red wine and I'll bring the cheese.
We do the French scene. Okay, I got and he said,
I don't want this cheap stuff. So I got the
expense of red wine out of near and him and
the woman. And then when it's his turned return at
their club, he goes, oh no, no, I'm sick, bro,
I've got a birthday to go.

Speaker 4 (30:23):
He's never been able to have the.

Speaker 13 (30:24):
Return chout, he said.

Speaker 5 (30:25):
Oh.

Speaker 12 (30:26):
Then he said to the other day or he was
at the A bit expensive.

Speaker 11 (30:32):
Back to the rugby.

Speaker 12 (30:33):
I actually don't mind typer wi there.

Speaker 10 (30:35):
I think what it will bring me a back to
more physicality.

Speaker 5 (30:38):
Yep, yep.

Speaker 12 (30:38):
And if you look at you've got Paddy Toy, Pilottter,
You've got a big second row, You've got to the
county and he's he's actly pretty mobile for it, you.

Speaker 10 (30:45):
Know, for a lock.

Speaker 5 (30:47):
Yeah, he is. He is. I just I don't know,
Marrie he is. But then again, you do sacrifice a
little bit of pace.

Speaker 9 (30:54):
You know.

Speaker 5 (30:54):
He's not an out and out whippet, is he? And
not the number six is necessarily have to be.

Speaker 6 (30:58):
But you know, I sort of look, okay, I compare
him to Simon Parker for example, who hasn't got a
single minute in this in this series. And I just
wonder why it's Va and not Parker for example tonight.

Speaker 12 (31:13):
I think when you look at it, we're right, Heed.
It will be the same as Raise, the same with
all of them. They're looking for a little bit of
line app ball down the back options in the line
out time Europeans tend to be. That's his strength, sucking
in and drive. They're looking for a solidity there and
I don't think they're looking for pace. They're just looking
for physic copy on the fringes. And he defends very
well on the fringes, so he's not going to be
raising who. They'll bring their game a little bit.

Speaker 11 (31:35):
You've got already.

Speaker 12 (31:36):
You're the seven and eight yull fringe a bit wider
and so yeah, it might work against certain teams, it
won't work against all of them, and we'll just wait
and see.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
But I I.

Speaker 11 (31:48):
They need a bit of solid ball and get.

Speaker 12 (31:50):
But a good ball I think the backs would be
they should be able to do the business.

Speaker 6 (31:53):
Yeah, I hope so, Marris, I hope you're right, and
I think you're right. I believe the all Blacks will
win the game. The only little bits of nagging down
Thanks for calling Marris by the way, always good to
chat to you. The bits of nagging down or a
couple of one is that we are still early in
Dave Rennie's tenure as All Blacks head coach and he
is still just imprinting that style onto this team. He's

(32:17):
had two Test matches and I think we would all
agree that the All Blacks haven't been convincing for periods
of both of them. They've been good for periods of
both of them, but they haven't produced a performance that
has been complete and that is absolutely not surprising because
Dave Renie's had this team for a very short period

(32:39):
of time. Ahead of the first Test of the year
against France, they had I think Ruben Love said five
or six training sessions that was it. Then they had
a week together ahead of Italy. They've had another week
now and he hasn't tinkered too much really, apart from
a few changes, not like he said, wholesale changes. There
are nine guys who have started all three test matches,
so that you know that shows that he's got the

(33:00):
solid spine who he wants to kind of go with
eighty ten eighty Dave, I'm going to be with you
in just a second. There is a spear line there
if you want to jump aboard to talk some All
Blacks rugby against Ireland tonight. This is Weekend Sport on
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Speaker 1 (33:17):
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Speaker 6 (33:32):
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good afternoon.

Speaker 14 (33:38):
Hopefully on the black Cats that will win too. And
there were Cindy's two one up that's really good too.

Speaker 5 (33:44):
That was good.

Speaker 4 (33:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (33:45):
And after that first game where they I don't know,
maybe they're just a bit slow to get under way, Dave,
they've been fairly convincing, haven't they, the black Caps in
the last two games.

Speaker 5 (33:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (33:54):
They probably send the message to the All Backs while
they're in the West Indies too as well.

Speaker 5 (33:59):
Maybe they have.

Speaker 14 (34:00):
They've probably said probably send the All back, go the
all backs.

Speaker 9 (34:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (34:05):
Look, you've got Patrick Paloto, there's.

Speaker 14 (34:08):
A match winner. He'll remind that boy is there what
fortus means? And you've got Will Jordan's to get the ball,
No one's to get past him. He's a match winner.
There's drys every match and they've got the big boards
and tall locks.

Speaker 5 (34:27):
Yeah, I think they'll be okay, Dave, I think they'll
be okay. Yeah, the lock, the locking thing is interesting
to me. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (34:33):
Patrick Tupelotta, we haven't seen him yet in this series.
He had a bit of a calf twinge I think
before the game in christ Church, which ruled him out
quite late in the piece, so I don't know whether
he's short of a gallop or not. What they've obviously
got with playing at number six as an ability if
they need to to move him into lock, and this
will almost certainly happen because they've got two loosies on
the bench in Anton Segna and better Larkeye, So it'll

(34:56):
be a matter of how long top he actually plays
on the blind side flank. He'll wear six obviously on
his back, but you know, for maybe who knows half
an hour, even in the second half, it might be
that once one or both of those loose fords come
on that he goes back into the second row.

Speaker 5 (35:11):
Good to hear from you, Dave.

Speaker 6 (35:12):
Hope you enjoy the game tonight and the rest of
the cricket as well. George, Hello, mate, gone very good.

Speaker 5 (35:19):
George.

Speaker 6 (35:20):
Well, I mean, I still don't quite know how they
let me just come to the pub every Saturday on
this radio show, but it seems to be the way
they want things done.

Speaker 15 (35:28):
So who am I to argue, Oh, that's not a
bad gig, for sure, for sure.

Speaker 8 (35:34):
I just wanted to bring up a couple of things
in and around that loose acadon mix. Yes, Dave, Rennie
said something interesting on Sunday, he thought off and chucked
a few bread crumbs out in the press conference, but
he said Stilman asked and if Will Jordan was the
vice captain, and he said, no, no, we don't have
a vice captain. We've got a leadership group of five.
But he named Luke Jacobson was in that group. So

(35:56):
so obviously Rennie and the rest of the coaches, they
rape Jacobson really highly and see them was quite a
quite a strong part of the here starting to seen
it makes me wonder where or how lester Fighting and
Lukhu fits them through the picture, particularly given they are
clearly trialing. This bigger blindside was due to combating the

(36:19):
African pats.

Speaker 6 (36:22):
I think what might happen next year, George, is that
through necessity more than anything, les Luca's going to have
to play in the in the midfield for the Crusaders
because they've got so many leaving that I think he'll
be not forced necessarily to play there, but will be
more often than not starting rugby matches in the thirteen
Jersey rather than the seven the hybrid that we saw

(36:44):
him do so often this year. So I guess he
gets judged on that when it comes to all black selection.
But it must be nice for Dave Rennie to know
in the back of his mind that he's got a
player who, if he needed to, he could bring off
the Benchi that as an open side flanker, a midfield
back or an outside back. The versatility is quite a
compelling proposition.

Speaker 8 (37:05):
Yeah, I mean, he was so dominant and strong and
soup for rugby that he kind of just has to
be in the thought somewhere. They had the twenty twenty
three quarterfinal on the tally last night the Island All
Blacks one in Lester was playing that game. He looks
a whole lot different three years ago than what he
does now. He's a whole lot slimmer back then, so
I don't see him as a as a winger anymore

(37:27):
in terms of the topping taste that it takes. I
think you're right if he's possibly looking at that sort
of senter position and potentially a bench roll where you
can where you can sort of either be a five
to three or a six two split a fees the hybrid.
But whether or not they do see him as a
loose sward given they actually looks that, they more want

(37:47):
to see size and that in that looseboard trio as opposed.

Speaker 11 (37:50):
To the steed.

Speaker 5 (37:52):
Yeah, it's a great point. It's a great point.

Speaker 6 (37:54):
And yeah, I think it might just be something that's
handy rather than really focused in upon by the All Blacks,
like like I say, you know, the Crusaders kind of
went all in on it, didn't they. He started games
in the seven jersey for goodness sake, but then he
would turn up out in the back, so that that
was the game situation. Later on, I yeah, I yeah,
I mean it's it's a great point you make, George.

(38:15):
I think with the way they're looking at their loose
forwards in terms of who plays in which position and
the combination between them, where it does Lester fit comfortably
into a loose trio and he's going to have to
play seven, isn't he? So if he does, Who's six,
Arty's eight? So what combination works if Lester is one.

Speaker 5 (38:35):
Of the three?

Speaker 11 (38:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (38:37):
And particularly obviously, as I said at the top of
the course, they really do seem to rate Luke Jacobson highly.
I've always I've always, I've always been more of a
fan of picking the best team that you've got versus
sort of trying to pick a team to combat what
the others might throw at you. You know, I don't
think the Hurricane industry, they were just picking their best

(38:57):
team available versus trying to put combinations to the splinter
when anything else that we've got to make sure we
stay true that in Africa and and not trying, you know,
teams that are going to diffuse strength that the others have.
It's a fine balance for sure, but yeah, you know,
we store down and cross its speed and fitness and

(39:21):
can be our strength and we've got to make sure
we try and harness that with the loose awards we've
got like Larkhve the TT business just going for a
bigger frameworks point by just because it's what the Africans
have as well.

Speaker 5 (39:33):
Such. Yeah, George, you enjoyed the game too.

Speaker 6 (39:37):
It's such an interesting balancing act when you're picking a
loose force and yeah, there's there's so many options to
choose from too, which is again why I wonder why
it's it's too por vy there on the blind side
flank when they have other options like Parker and others.
But Dave Annie, you know, he's his own man, and
I think at the moment anyway, and when as we trust,
as they say, seven and a half away from one,

(39:58):
thanks George and new Stalk said be.

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I should have given Fronto Bodeka his All Black's number
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(40:39):
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media contingent here actually to be over a dozen of

(41:09):
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all Blacks by twenty piney, All Blacks by twenty love
the confidence.

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Speaker 6 (41:47):
One oh seven. Welcome back into the show. This is
Weekend Sport on News Talks NB until three. Kick off
tonight at Edon Park ten past seven, not far from
where we're broadcasting at the Kingslander. The fans are starting
to flow, and mainly all Blacks fans. I can say,
but I can see a I can see a soul
so Irish jersey there straight ahead of me, standing out
in brilliant green and amongst all the all black supporters.

Speaker 5 (42:10):
So we're here, as I say, till three o'clock.

Speaker 6 (42:12):
Lines open all afternoon of eight hundred eighty ten eighty nine,
two ninety two. If you would like to send us
a text, Not many players of on the black jersey.
With as much consistency and class. Though as our next guest,
Mills Mullyan are one of our great fullbacks one hundred
test matches, becoming the first All Black back to reach
the century milestone. Brilliant under the high ball, his counterattacking

(42:35):
ability and uncanny knack of being in the right place
at the right time to score trice himself thirty four
of them or set up others made him an integral
part of the teams he was involved, and he went
to three Rugby World Cups, winning the William web Allis
Trophy in twenty eleven. Now one of the game's most
respected commentators and analysts with Sky Sport, of course, always

(42:55):
a pleasure to welcome All Black number one zero three
to three Mills Milonia.

Speaker 5 (43:01):
Into the show. Nice to see him mate, Alight see
plenty what an intro.

Speaker 6 (43:04):
If you're going to take the time to come down here, now,
I'm going to make sure you feel welcome. This feels
like a real acid test for Dave Rennie's All Blacks tonight.
How do you assess the threat that Ireland will pose
to them?

Speaker 17 (43:18):
While nothing's really been made on the Irish team and
sort of technically what they might possibly be able to bring.
A lot's been talked about the rivalry and sort of
what's happened in twenty twenty two when they last when
they won a series yet, but when you look at
the sort of the cracks of it, the.

Speaker 18 (43:35):
Irish team haven't really been that Irish team that came.

Speaker 17 (43:38):
Here in twenty twenty two and the Rugby World Cup
post sort of sixteen days and so there lies the
sort of question with the way Dave Rennie's side's slowly progressing,
we know that South Africa's down the track. Well, it's
the next sort of phase of the Daveni era. This
Irish side has got a lot to prove because they
have just been really clunky since the Rugby World Cup.

Speaker 18 (44:01):
But they've still got a lot of experience.

Speaker 17 (44:03):
And that's the thing that sort of makes it sort
of intriguing to me that a lot of it's been
talked around the rivalry, not necessarily the way that the
Irish are playing at the moment.

Speaker 5 (44:12):
Yeah, let's look at the at the team that Dave
Rennie has named.

Speaker 6 (44:15):
In fact, across the three test matches, nine players who
have started all three tests, so quite a bit of
consistency there but a couple of positions where we've had
three different starters, one of them the left wing, Caleb
Clark against France, Leroy Carter against Italy last week he
got injured, had to go off Josh moreby tonight.

Speaker 5 (44:32):
How do you see the battle for that number eleven Jersey?

Speaker 18 (44:35):
It's interesting, isn't it.

Speaker 17 (44:36):
I mean, you're right, there's consistency in those sort of
hardcore positions, but that's one of that that stands out.
It's really a lot of competition and that's what's great
about And you look at the and Josh Mormy deserves
the start. The way he came off off the bench's
work rap. That's what a lot of people don't really notice.
And you know Ren spoke about it during when he

(44:57):
first came on. It's not the stuff you see on
the screen that you necessarily notice. It's a setting up
being able to be in a position where you open
up a little gap for someone else, and so that's
up for grabs. Lee were Ricardo obviously injured, and you
know they often talk about when you get an opportunity,
you've got.

Speaker 9 (45:12):
To take it.

Speaker 18 (45:13):
This is one of those things in the number eleven Jersey.

Speaker 17 (45:15):
I mean, it's fair to say the other side of
it in terms of consistency for the fifteen and fourteen
fairly well, you know, sort of settled right now. But
when you look at the number eleven Jersey, it's up
for grabs for anyone. And you know, Caleb's on the
bench tonight. I like the way Josh Josh has gone
about his business is he's.

Speaker 18 (45:33):
Going to be energetic.

Speaker 17 (45:34):
He works really hard, so they've got some options and
it's really pleasing to have that competition, within that healthy
competition within the team environment, which is fantastic.

Speaker 6 (45:44):
Boden Barrett won't play a single minute in these three
test matches. What is Boden Barrett's role to play in
the All Blacks of twenty twenty six and in Deep
Mills Eat twenty twenty seven.

Speaker 17 (45:55):
I'll go back to that point about the stuff that's
not on the screen. He plays an integral part right
and as the leadership men, he's well over one hundred
test caps. You know he might even end up seeing
you know, white lock. But the part that he plays
playing right now is look at where Ruben Love has
got to.

Speaker 16 (46:15):
You know, a guy that's really steady.

Speaker 17 (46:17):
Yes, we're seeing a Ruben Love that's controlling the game
that you don't often see the person that's probably helping
him along that way, you know, sort of walking him
through different sort of scenarios.

Speaker 18 (46:28):
Yes, and bringing that maturity out of him. He'll get
an opportunity.

Speaker 17 (46:33):
You know, South Africa is around the corner, and yes,
Richie Wong is in the background as well.

Speaker 18 (46:37):
He's going to play in PC.

Speaker 17 (46:39):
But we often when when we see such a great
player and they're not sort of playing and what they
what they they bring a huge amount of experience into
the environment. They will mentor a guy like a Ruben Love,
he'll keep guys also like Damian McKinnon. Don't get me wrong,
I'm not talking as if he can't get out there
and play also because all that sort of texts as

(47:01):
an injury as well, and he could easily be thrown
in the start a game. And that's the quality of
that he possesses as Boat and Barratt. So right now,
whilst it's I wouldn't be frustrating, you want an opportunity
to get out there, but he's also he will understand,
you know, the role that he plays and it's an
integral part of the of the environment and the culture

(47:21):
that are slowly building in the dave Ren era.

Speaker 5 (47:25):
We're here at the Kingslander, which is the region.

Speaker 6 (47:27):
He can hear the sound check in the background of
the live band warming up for later on tonight. Mills
Mullyana is with us. Ruben Love just on him. He's
been given all three matches at ten. Richard Wlong his back.
He's ready to play in PC for Canterbury. Are these
too basically in a.

Speaker 5 (47:42):
Bit of a head to head battle to play first
five for the All Blacks at the Rugby World Cup
next year?

Speaker 18 (47:46):
Oh, Jeeve piney far out.

Speaker 9 (47:48):
I mean.

Speaker 17 (47:50):
Again, we've got options and I think what's really pleasing
for me is seeing the way that Ruben Love's playing.

Speaker 5 (47:56):
But we know what he can do.

Speaker 18 (47:58):
He can be his When he first came on, he
was flamboyant, who was.

Speaker 5 (48:02):
A little bit around it. We have not seen any
of that.

Speaker 17 (48:05):
He's just been really calm and composed, like your normal
sort of well not normal. I shouldn't say normal, because
what is a normal for his five? You're like, but
he's directing the play. He doesn't need to really sort
of chance his arm a little bit. So to come
back to your question. Those two are going to be
the guys that are competing for Richie. They know, we
know that all black coaches like what they see. They're

(48:25):
like what he's kind of done. But he still has
to prove himself in his quality as well. He'll understand
that too. It's not that all black jersey's never given
to you when you go away. And Richie's a competitive
in himself. We know what he can bring. I'm loving
the way Ruben loves controlling the game and I talk
about their word and maturity because you have to, man,
it's a it's a tough position, the outside noise that

(48:45):
comes with it, but also the amount of experienced guys
that he's got around him. He's got to, you know,
he's got to make the decisions when these four different
decisions sort of you know, know, on his shoulders at
the end of the day, when the captain looks and
what are we going to do?

Speaker 16 (48:59):
He has to make that decision.

Speaker 18 (49:00):
And that's the maturity I'm really seeing and Reuben loving.
I'm loving it.

Speaker 6 (49:03):
Simon Parker hasn't got a game either, and just on
the blindside flank I talked about left Wing having had
a few different owners Peter Larkeye Wallace a Tt and
tonight to Paul v in the number six Jersey. What's
your read on on what Dave Rennie's looking for from
his number six inside his loose trio.

Speaker 17 (49:24):
I think one thing probably for me from my observation
is there's no real sort of pattern in terms of, hey,
you have to be this type of player in six.

Speaker 18 (49:34):
We know what seven and eight kind of looks, so
Luke Jacobson.

Speaker 17 (49:36):
And how amazing is that when you've got the backing
of your coaches, the role that you play, he's a
different player in this environment and then the Chiefs's a
lot of expectation on him. He's probably in the close quarters,
you know, trying to win that battle of the of
the physicality sort of side of it in the all
black environment. When he knows his role and the role
that the All Blacks when want him to play, prefix
it right and he's been outstanding. I look at two

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po y coming and this is with the options right.
If I'm the Irish side, we haven't talked about a
lot about a play. You want to slow the game, okay,
you want to go to line out some when you've
got you know, Ryan and McCarthy in the middle of
the air. You've got some big boys around also in
the Lucy department. I think one thing that sort of
stands out is you want to have lineout options. So
if they're going to go to line out options and

(50:19):
expect you all blacks to come out of your half,
you've got two bo Vi, You've got you know, the
Petrich through below too, and also Josh Lord, you've got
some physicality there as well, you know, especially when you
look at Burn and on the other side, fundafully who
just fetches over the ball. So I think and looking
at it, what Dave Reeny is trying to do is

(50:41):
bring something different to each sort of game, and we
kind of did it when we're kind of the air.
You're not always saying, hey, this is your set loose
forward number six for this game.

Speaker 5 (50:50):
Yeah you're not.

Speaker 18 (50:51):
You're not making wholesale changes. You're not saying it's a
whole new three. That's what I like about it.

Speaker 16 (50:55):
It's just a six.

Speaker 17 (50:56):
But what it also creates is that healthy competition. Simon
Parker will get an opportunity and who probably possibly come
into the fold when they go to South Africa because
his big body can you know he lights going and
maybe dent in the line a couple of times. But
I like the way dave Rene has gone about it.
He's actually picking guys based on what might happen, and

(51:17):
they're not going to be your point. It's not just defensively.

Speaker 16 (51:19):
On attack.

Speaker 17 (51:20):
You've got a little bit of freedom into Bovai, you know,
on attack and defense. When the Irish and defense, you
can send them up and that really disrupts the Irish flow.

Speaker 9 (51:31):
So I like that.

Speaker 17 (51:32):
I like the way he's going about it. The one
big thing that I would say that is standing out
big time as you start. They have not started well,
and I think that's where they want to get things right,
because you cannot afford to start the way that they have.
In the last couple of games against an Irish side
that are going to come here, they know everything's against
and the fortresses up up for grab thirty two years

(51:54):
since anyone's sort of won here instead of got to
get that right because it's hard to chase a game
down against quality opposition, particularly when you're fourteen twenty odd
points down.

Speaker 6 (52:06):
Aspect of the All Black game that doesn't seem to
have been completely correct to just as the as the
high ball and the way they deal with the high
ball are still a work on.

Speaker 5 (52:17):
You were so good under the high.

Speaker 6 (52:18):
Ball, what are the key ingredients to being good in
those situations and a particular defusing opposition bombs.

Speaker 18 (52:25):
It's not as it's not as easy as what people think, right.

Speaker 17 (52:28):
I mean you tend to look at it and think, well, hey,
just get up and jump, and there is a technical
aspect about you jumping through the air as opposed to
just straight up and down. A lot of it has
to do around sort of putting pressure on the kicker,
how they how they implement the air kind of kicks
into trying and give you that sort of head start,
guys getting back and helping the lines you kind of take.

(52:51):
So when we used to analyze it, it was like
what are the kickers doing from their side? Because for me,
as a fullback of it, I'm going to get a
high ball, I'm thinking, man, you guys got to do
your work up front, so then it gives me an
easy sort of jump.

Speaker 18 (53:01):
Right, these days things are a lot different.

Speaker 17 (53:04):
You know, they're almost protecting the halfback, so you're going
to get a quality kick away.

Speaker 18 (53:08):
So that's where I sort of that. I suppose the
complexity comes into it.

Speaker 17 (53:11):
There's a hard area, and it is one of the
areas that I'd have to agree that we haven't quite
nailgy was getting through the air and be able to
take those tyeballs. And it's something that's going to come
and there's no doubt that's going to happen tonight particularly
and when.

Speaker 18 (53:24):
We get to the Republic.

Speaker 17 (53:26):
I mean, they're perfectionists edit right, And so it would
be an area that I'm sure that the all Black
environment are working really hard at.

Speaker 6 (53:35):
Will Jordan passed Doug Hawlett last week as our all
time leading Test tri scorer. You played a lot of
Test matches with Doug Howlett, You created a lot of
his tries. He told me this on the radio on Monday.
What was he like to play with Doug Hallett And
does Will Jordan have some similar traits?

Speaker 17 (53:50):
Oh yes, absolutely, just a real neck for the line,
like understanding and anticipating where. I mean, he might be
on the right hand side and all the players on
the left hand side. I could be standing there thinking, oh,
nothing's happening here, and I look up and Dougie's already
on the other side. Because he's anticipating someone mate a
break there. And then I mean he was quite clear
because he didn't tell any of the secrets until possibly

(54:11):
when I got to my fiftieth sort of test car,
which is I was a little bit disappointed about, right,
But there are there are similar traits there, you know,
with with Will as well his speed, his ability to
chip and chase, and I just love his work great.
And in an environment that's sort of where wingers are
scoring tries on different sides of the field, you're almost
seeing like what Dougie had seen way back then. When

(54:33):
you're all you're told is a wing you stay on
your own site. Yeah, you're seeing that all the time
in terms of the what the wingers can do.

Speaker 18 (54:39):
So it's wonderful to see to be a part of
what Will done last week.

Speaker 17 (54:44):
And then he is he has no down in my mind,
he's going to keep going and going, scoring lots and
shies before he's done and does it.

Speaker 16 (54:50):
That's for sure.

Speaker 6 (54:51):
Yeah, all right, final question then, Melsy, Apart from winning
the Test match tonight, what will have to happen for
all Blacks fans to have a fair degree of confidence
about this team as they head off to this massive
tour of South Africa.

Speaker 17 (55:03):
Oh it's always hard that one A because people want
to they're based sort of feeling good about the team,
about the square. I don't think it's necessarily I'd love
to see them as a relatively nice day here in
Auckland so far.

Speaker 18 (55:18):
I'd like to see some of those little things sort
of click. You know, there's there's lots to like about
the rhythm they're getting into three or four weeks now
in camp.

Speaker 17 (55:27):
You know, those those little areas of sort of those
bulls sticking and guys getting in right positions.

Speaker 18 (55:33):
For me, really it is it's that dominant display.

Speaker 17 (55:35):
I'd like to see their defensive line really being tested
tonight and stand out, you know, not so much from
a you know, conceding points, but dominating, you know, like
we used to see. There's nothing better than when you're
sitting at the back as a fullback or when you
don't want to make tackles. Binney and your big boys
are just snotting guys. And that's where what I want

(55:58):
to see tonight from the aor Blecks. And there's certainly
guys that they have been picked and selected in the
pact that I think can do that job.

Speaker 6 (56:04):
Love on Milsey. Hey, well, it's always such a play.
Should have chat to you, love your your coverage as
part of Sky Sports coverage. A ninety minute build up
again tonight, mate, and you'll have to get off to
eaton park.

Speaker 5 (56:13):
I mean we're only a short distance away. Look great
to see you, mate, Thanks for stopping in.

Speaker 18 (56:18):
His voice, thanks mate and animated. There is a ninety
minute build up.

Speaker 17 (56:21):
And I'm more worried about my interview with Carlos Oldberg, mate,
and adding interview UFC Friday and then one that you
really do my.

Speaker 5 (56:27):
Oh see what you're doing is part of the building.

Speaker 18 (56:29):
I get that opportunity.

Speaker 17 (56:30):
So I'm pretty glad because though I think Goldie in
Mashiad tied up with other interviews, so I picked up
the good stuff.

Speaker 5 (56:36):
Mate. Well, but I hope I've warmed you up for
at Milty. It's good to see you here, mate. Thanks.

Speaker 6 (56:40):
Indeed, Mills Mully joining us on at News, Talk to
B and Weekend Sport. You can catch him as part
of Sky's coverage tonight. The ninety minute build up to
kick off at ten past seven one twenty three. We're
back after this live from the Kingslander.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
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One of the delights of broadcasting from Out and About
is that the people you sometimes get the chance to
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Speaker 5 (58:41):
Face to face.

Speaker 6 (58:42):
Regular listeners to the show will know all about from
the Silver foxes England football fan.

Speaker 5 (58:50):
I'm delighted you've still come down, Tim.

Speaker 16 (58:51):
How are you still going through the seven stages of grief?

Speaker 19 (58:55):
I think yeah, Thursday afternoon and Friday we're a bit
of a bit of a blur unfortunately, but thank you
for that intro.

Speaker 16 (59:01):
And yes the Silver Fox isn't an England fan.

Speaker 9 (59:03):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (59:03):
The World Cup we're what two games and two to go.

Speaker 6 (59:08):
I think we might have spoken before the World Cup
and thought to ourselves, how on earth are we going
to get through all of these games of football. Now
it's almost done. I know I'm going to miss it
beyond Monday. What have you made of the whole thing?
Let's take away all of the outside noise. What have
you made of the football?

Speaker 16 (59:21):
Really really good, very very good.

Speaker 19 (59:23):
I was very skeptical because they introduced their forty eight
teams and I wasn't sure.

Speaker 16 (59:27):
But obviously Cape Verde and other teams have proved very
very good. Yeah, very and fIF I think they're a
build on that they might go for sixty four.

Speaker 19 (59:33):
I've read them Invantina, which is again silly and it's
all money, but no, they've they've pushed the noise from
the outside of the political stuff.

Speaker 16 (59:40):
But yeah, the footall has been good, very good.

Speaker 6 (59:42):
So we've got a final on Monday featuring Argentina and Spain,
two very different teams. I'm going to talk to to
Mike Maney from BBC five Live after.

Speaker 5 (59:54):
Two with his view.

Speaker 6 (59:56):
What's your view on who has the upper hand here
and what are you expecting to happen in the World Cup?

Speaker 19 (01:00:01):
Five hundred percent Spain all the way, not that unbiased
from them, Yeah, no, I do actually think or do
it and if England were didn't lose to Argentina, then
I thought we'd have not much chance. Again, in their Spaniel,
they hold the ball so well, they just have that
skill level. So I'm one hundred percent back in Spain,
but I think realistic would even take the heart away.

Speaker 16 (01:00:19):
I definitely think Spain will do it.

Speaker 6 (01:00:20):
Now, will you watch the third and fourth place playoff
tomorrow morning? It's the game that nobody really wants to play,
and I'm sure the players would probably rather be going
home rather than preparing for another game, which is really
I guess it depends, like doesn't it For England and France,
who had real designs on making the final. It's a
disappointment this eff it's on Morocco from four years ago.

(01:00:40):
It's hey, we can finish their where nobody's yeah, celebration
to them, exactly right. So what's if you want tomorrow
morning's game?

Speaker 5 (01:00:47):
Will you watch it? For starters?

Speaker 19 (01:00:48):
I will, but I think it's a bit of a nonsense,
and I think that they're both those teams. Yeah, their
heart's not in it. It was so disappointed for no
one remembers that no one remembers the losing semi finalist
and playing third and fourth is just salting the wound.
I don't think it's important to them, and they left
to do it for pride and for the nation, and
that's part of the fief of contract.

Speaker 16 (01:01:06):
But no, I don't believe they'll be fighting tooth and
nail unfortunately.

Speaker 6 (01:01:10):
Well the only the only thing really, I guess, or
one of the things up for grabs is the possibility
of the Golden Boot for highest goal scorer and Barbe
Killian and Barbe from France has eight Leonel Messi has eight. Yes,
so I'm sure Killian and Barbe will want to at
least score a goal, yes, to put pressure on Messi
for the Golden Boot, even if and Barbe is not
going to be a World Cup winner again.

Speaker 16 (01:01:29):
Yeah, and maybe Kine as well.

Speaker 5 (01:01:31):
Yeah, he's got six belling them's got six yes, yeah.
Now it's almost one thirty. I know you have to
get away. Where are the silver Foxes putting on the
display of brilliant masters football this afternoon?

Speaker 16 (01:01:41):
Over thirty five did two expertise.

Speaker 19 (01:01:43):
We are at home against the Northern Rovers Sultans of Swing,
which is a mountful in itself. They are top of
the table, so it might have been a bit of
a stretch, but we'll see how we go. I'm going
to give my right back position a nudge, but we'll
see how we go.

Speaker 6 (01:01:56):
Well, it's just a delight to see your face to face.
I've enjoyed our conversations on the year over the years.
It's good to finally do it, you know, just across
the table from one another. Thanks for stopping in. May
know you've got a busy afternoon, but appreciate you taking
some time.

Speaker 16 (01:02:09):
Thank you, Pine, appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (01:02:10):
Thank you great to see it to thank you. Oh
eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is our number here.

Speaker 6 (01:02:14):
We're at the Kingslander in New North Road ahead of
the Test match.

Speaker 7 (01:02:18):
No.

Speaker 6 (01:02:18):
I want to get an Irish viewpoint though on tonight's
Test match, so let's bring in Murray kinsella one of
Ireland's most respected rugby journalists season New Zealand writing for
the forty two, a hugely popular Irish digital sports news
website and app, and he joins us now. Murray four
years ago, as we know, famously, Ireland made history by

(01:02:41):
winning a Test series here in New Zealand.

Speaker 5 (01:02:43):
But how different is this current Irish side from that.

Speaker 4 (01:02:47):
One, the build Out and the banter lay from the
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Speaker 6 (01:03:02):
Let's get an Irish viewpoint on tonight's Test match. Murray
Kinsello one of Ireland's most respected rugby journalists. He's in
New Zealand writing for the forty two, a hugely popular
Irish digital sports news website, and Eppie joins us now Marie.
Four years ago, memorably, Ireland made history by winning a
Test series here for the first time. How different is
this current Irish side from that one?

Speaker 20 (01:03:26):
There are some important changes yet there's a few big
positions that have changed in that time, particularly around out half,
and it's a big day for Sam Prendergast and there's
a couple other guys like Rob Balacoon on the right
wing who are relatively fresh to international rugby.

Speaker 9 (01:03:41):
So it certainly feels like a new chapter I think
for Ireland.

Speaker 21 (01:03:44):
That was a very proud occasion for Irish rugby and
and Irish sport when Ireland came down to New Zealand
and made history and of course they're hoping to do
that again tonight Leeden Park. But yeah, feels like a
new chapter and a new version of Andy Farle's team.
They've had a bit of a refresh evening in how
they want to play the game and as I say,
some important new personalities in the team. But they'res ambitious

(01:04:08):
as ever and they're as intent as ever on creating history.
That's always going to be the case with an Andy
Farrell team. He absolutely loves challenges like this and trying
to make you know, historic firsts like this. So Ireland's
whole tour this last number of weeks, three four weeks
are on tour now it's all been built around Eden Park.

Speaker 6 (01:04:27):
This is of course the end of the rist season,
the Automa Internationals in the back end of last year,
the Six Nations in February match and now the Nations Championships,
so this time's been together for a while. The All
Blacks are just getting and the why, of course, will
the play any part at all tonight?

Speaker 21 (01:04:43):
You know, for either side, it's always curious that around
this time a season it happens as well when the
All Blacks and others come up to Dublin and it's
a different stage of their season.

Speaker 9 (01:04:54):
In November, I think Ireland will be fairly fresh.

Speaker 21 (01:04:57):
Last weekend they played against Japan in Newcastle in Australia
and and Far arrested quite a number of his frontline players,
so they've had a chance to refresh.

Speaker 9 (01:05:06):
Yeah, it's been a long year for them.

Speaker 21 (01:05:07):
A lot of these guys were involved on the British
and Irish Lions tour of Australia last year and it's.

Speaker 9 (01:05:13):
Kind of been a whirl win since.

Speaker 21 (01:05:15):
But the one thing about Irish rugby that they do
very well is take care of the players and so
they've had blocks of this season where they haven't been
playing for their club sides or their provinces, and they'll
have been managed with this game in mind.

Speaker 9 (01:05:28):
Genuinely, I think it's been a big goal kind of
looming over.

Speaker 21 (01:05:31):
Irish rugby, the chance to play in Eden Park against
the All Blacks, having lost the last two games with
poor performances, as well as losing the last World Cup
quarterfinal when Ireland played well and it was an epic
game but they came out on the wrong side of it.
So yeah, I think the players there's going to be
no doubt in their minds about turning up with energy
and with a real intent to prove a point against

(01:05:54):
an All Black team who, to be fair, look like
they're on a really nice upward trajectory under Dave Renny
and his coaching team. They've been promising, promising signs in
the last couple of weekends for them, so I think
we'll get both sides in a really good place despite
the different stages of the season.

Speaker 6 (01:06:09):
It's just on the O Blacks and the Dive Rennie.
I'll just get you to expand on what you've seen
from them, albeit just to taste matches and against France
and Italy. What have you mid of the O Blacks
and the Dive Rennie, and have you noticed significant change
from the why they've been playing compared to the last
two years under Scott Robertson.

Speaker 9 (01:06:27):
Definitely.

Speaker 21 (01:06:28):
I think the impression from Ireland has been of New
Zealand rugby and the All Blacks, going back to that
kind of DNA. The thing that always scared Irish teams
I think about playing the All Blacks was that ability
to play at such speed in those kind of transition
moments unstructured rugby the individual athleticism and talent and speed

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and that could you know, and it can shred any team.
So it feels like it's it's gone back towards that
a little bit more and there's a freedom to how
they playing. You can see the I think you can
see the joy and the happiness on the players' faces
and it's been really striking. So because in the last
particularly the last two games against Ireland, it was a
more kind of structured approach and they it was almost

(01:07:09):
more like an Irish approach to a systematic and very
organized and maybe that wasn't quite harnessing the individual tanks
they are there. So yeah, I think it's a it's
a worry for Ireland that the All Blacks have maybe
rediscovered some of that verve and that freedom in their
attack and it's up Darland to try their best to

(01:07:30):
limit that. In Eden Park and listen, you're never gonna
and I has been very upfront about this year. They're
going to score, the All Backs are going to create
brilliant chances and Ireland are gonna have to score plenty
points of their own. And the last two times, in particular,
the Irish attack hasn't fired, so they only need to
be at their best in that regard. But the impression
from Ireland camp has absolutely been one of New Zealand

(01:07:52):
rediscovering themselves a little bit and finding that joy in
their rugby again.

Speaker 6 (01:07:57):
The Aiden Park effect, Maury, it's the fifty two matches.
I'm beaten for the all blacks, fifty ones and a
couple of draws in there. Some nations on shore find
that intimidating. From what you've been saying, it sounds to
me as though Ireland would find it quite motivational to
be the side that breaks that long standing strike all
the way back to nineteen ninety four.

Speaker 5 (01:08:18):
Would that be a fair enough assessment.

Speaker 21 (01:08:21):
Absolutely, this is the kind of thing that this group
of Irish bearers have. It's their whole identity is trying
to create first riers rugby and listen, there aren't many
landmarks like this remaining in rugby. You know this is
really special, this Eden Park record, and even in Ireland
there's a lot of attention around it, and you know,
it's phenomenon really in modern sport, not even just rugby.

(01:08:43):
So they're excited and as Andy Farres said, it's an
honor for them and an opportunity to go and make history,
so I think there'll be a great excitement there. Of course,
once the pressure comes on tonight, it's different, and if
the Allbacks get into their flow, it feels different, and
it's different for particularly those newer faces in the RISH
team who haven't some of whom haven't even been in

(01:09:05):
New Zealand before this week. So you know, test Ruby
can do funny thing to people when that pressure comes on.
But I think generally it feels like there's an excitement
from Ireland about taking it on and listen, the main
thing for them is performing. Yes, they want to create history,
but they want to deliver a lot more than they
have the last couple of times against the All Blacks

(01:09:25):
and let's see how that where that leaves them when
when the final quarter rolls around at Eden Park.

Speaker 6 (01:09:31):
And this is probably a difficult question to answer without
tonight's result in the bag one while the other, But
how do you assace where Ireland are less than fifteen
months out now from the next Rugby World Cup.

Speaker 9 (01:09:45):
Moving in the right direction again?

Speaker 21 (01:09:47):
I think last season there was a particularly a humbling
kind of defeat the spring Box in Dublin, where the
scum got dismantled and the spring box just were physically superior,
and at that stage it was kind of I suppose
worries in ours rugby about the trajectory, but certainly in
the Six Nations they started poorly with a defeat away

(01:10:08):
in Paris and France and they didn't they didn't play
well that day, but thereafter they really got their mojo
back again and they started to play again, I'd say
with a little more freedom in attack. They spent a
bit more time on their their unstructured play and trying
to get the likes of Rob Balacoon very involved in
the game. So yeah, it felt like a renewal of sorts.

(01:10:30):
Andy Farrels signed a new contract until twenty thirty one actually,
and he's going to take in that work up as well,
so he's very committed. The coaching staff around him are
quite settled and I think they're pleased with the direction
they're moving in.

Speaker 9 (01:10:43):
In previous workup cycles at this stage.

Speaker 21 (01:10:45):
You know, Ireland were ranked number one on occasions and
maybe they're happy enough to be a little quieter around
their building to the World Cup this time.

Speaker 6 (01:10:55):
Mary Greg, pleasure to get your insight you're analysis really
appreciate you taking Tom with us the Saft and I
look forward to saying you in a few hours from
now at Eton Pak.

Speaker 5 (01:11:03):
But thanks for your Tom the Saffternoon.

Speaker 9 (01:11:05):
Thanks Jason pre sh it's kind of words.

Speaker 6 (01:11:08):
Murray, thanks indeed, Murray cansella there. One of the traveling
Irish media contingent here looking forward to tonight's Test match
at Eden Park ten past seven as the All Blacks
take on the Irish.

Speaker 5 (01:11:20):
It's coming up twenty to two at the Kingsland.

Speaker 6 (01:11:23):
It is basically a sea of black and white All
Blacks fans as far as the eye can see, apart
from one Irish fan who has shown up. Not I
was going to say bravely, but it's not brave at
all really, because we're a pretty hospitable bunch. Daniel, Nice
to see you mate, How are you? It's good to
have you along now tell us your story?

Speaker 5 (01:11:43):
You are you?

Speaker 6 (01:11:44):
Are you irishman living in New Zealand? Are you visiting?
What brings you here?

Speaker 22 (01:11:48):
So?

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
I'm on a work on holiday vis at the moment.
I go home tomorrow in fact, back to Ireland. But
you have been here for the past four months or
so as planning rugby and Harwilt Minesota for Malville. Then
I went and travel on the Sotholand with Kerry, experience
a couple of nice people and I'm not going to
the christ Church. She loved it so much it was
amazing and felt really at home there. So then contacted

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a couple of guys at University of Candoburry and then
I ended up moving there, playing about rugby there and
it was amazing, prom the best rugby I've ever enjoyed
my life. Wonder So yeah, so I'm on the tail
on my trip knives in Australia there for two weeks,
just we holiday, try to get a good half dacent time.

Speaker 5 (01:12:27):
For going home.

Speaker 6 (01:12:28):
Well, I didn't see you before. You've got a bit
of calior.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
Here here at least not looking like cast with the
ghost now like that was pretty very pretty very badly.

Speaker 6 (01:12:40):
So you're going home tomorrow, so it could be quite
a big night for you. What are you expecting of eating?
But have you have you been to waiting pavel?

Speaker 9 (01:12:46):
No?

Speaker 16 (01:12:46):
So I'm really looking forward tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
It will be amazing, not to be honest as to
be heard, we say, snap out of what Murray said
there and not. The Irish are looking to maybe keep
it a litle bit quieter, which I to be honest,
I agree with past World Cup obviously seen a couple
of Rugby World Cup twenty to twenty three shirts here
and I'm feeling a bit emotional. But yeah, like we

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were number one in the world, one into the French
World Cup and now we're third, I believe, and we're
not in the former lives. But maybe that's why we
want it. We don't want to be massive favorites. We
don't want to be going in everyone looking at us
is the ones that won it, because at the moment,
I think everyone's very much sat in the fact of
the spring box or number one, and very much so

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the massive depth so that they have they're the massive
chance to win it.

Speaker 16 (01:13:33):
But the I think tonight we're definitely expack in massive game.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
If we shure up, that'll be one of the best
games to watch in the next Championship condition series.

Speaker 16 (01:13:42):
And yeah, it's been a good game. It just will
happen today. We'll probably define.

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
What happens to the World Cup because we end up
beating the old blocks tonight, then it will be a
massive kick up the you know, for the All Backs
and they would be massive contenders for the World Cup,
whereas if and then in that side, Ireland are major
contenders because we'll be favorites. But then again it'll come
down the pressure in the court final and all that

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cursed and all what not. But yeah, that tonight will
be really important for the World Cup next year.

Speaker 9 (01:14:13):
I believe.

Speaker 6 (01:14:13):
I feel like you should have a career in the
media ahead of you, Daniel. I mean, there's this razor
sharp analysis that you're coming up with. It's tremendous. Now,
I don't want to necessarily open old wounds and the
Rugby World Cup quarterfy, but were you there that day?

Speaker 9 (01:14:27):
I was.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
I wasn't No, I was in my local rugby club
and rather and the club you couldn't move. Everyone had
this wee atmosphere, as everyone says, and social media and
like everything on social media says that like the Irist,
that was our time.

Speaker 16 (01:14:42):
It was true, like everyone nor Sunds South, we all
believe that it was our time.

Speaker 5 (01:14:48):
It was our World Cup.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
We had just been in the Spring Bloks like no
one could move us. We like we were gonna beat
the All Blacks, And yeah, it was just I was
heartbreaking and that much. And I remember, like that's like
everyone just stood stood still, like there was not a
paint bot, like for at least fifteen minutes after the game,
We're all just sitting there on our phone is like,
what how has that halbumed? But like, don't like the

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All Blacks played a phenomenal yeah that day, and to
be fair, watching the game, there was probably a couple
of calls and feazes before Arisave definitely stole the ball,
a couple of fears before. So it just deservedly won
the game. But before the seventy eighth minute us it
could have went either way.

Speaker 6 (01:15:27):
Yeah, well, everybody back here, I don't think I remember
actually my my, my guts were hurting from the last
twenty minutes that game and afterwards I didn't even know
what to do.

Speaker 5 (01:15:36):
Nah exactly.

Speaker 6 (01:15:37):
And having been on both sides of it, you know,
it's uh, yeah, it's sport a oh yeah exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
It makes the rival or even sweeter like for as
an Irishman like to be fair, like halving this rivalry
were with New Zealand easily the greatest rugby nation on
the planet. There it's a massive privilege to be able
to say from small comprias Ireland, which the main sport
isn't rugby, it's what it would be either the Gillick
sports or football to have that, to be able to

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have the privilege of going against like some New g
I'm saying it that we have a rival with you
guys is a massive privilege. And like to then go
and have the twenty eight team game Jacob Stockdale when
our first game at the Viva, like the game tonight,
having such hype towards it, like it's it's amazing, and
yet I couldn't be priorer as an Irish been being
in New Zealand playing rugby in New Zealand. It's the

(01:16:25):
Maca of rugby, you know, Like so I am, it's
very it's a bit massive privilege to be playing against
you guys and to be supporting the guys again, Ediden Park.

Speaker 6 (01:16:35):
Well, I hope you have a great night mate, you'll
love eaton Park. I'm sure there'll be a decent Irish
contingent THEA are you sorry?

Speaker 5 (01:16:40):
Who are you going with?

Speaker 11 (01:16:41):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
That's them? So I'm sold. I was sol travel. I
came over here by myself, all us of herself. So
about the second by myself, So I'm kind of looking
forward to see who'll be grippling with, because uh, I
could go either way. I'll either got a load of
stick or it will be the best night ever. Either way,
it'll be a good night. But the traditional fields of
Auton and I against the Hawker will probably be sung
to night. And whether I sing it depends on who

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I'm sitting with. But yeah, now we'll see.

Speaker 6 (01:17:05):
No I think you sing it anyway, Daniel. I think
I think you've surrounded by all black supporters. You're still singing.
That's what we would do if we were in Dublin.
That's what you should do here in Auckland. Make What
a pleasure to meet your mate, and thanks for articulating
your thoughts so well. It's been awesome to have the
chance to get to you. There you go, one of
well at the moment, one of the very few Irish
supporters here at the Kingslander, but a very passionate one

(01:17:27):
and clearly a man who knows a lot about the
game of rugby. Fourteen away from two news talks head be.

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
Live from the Kingslander in Auckland as the Aldacks look
to defend the fortress it's Weekend Sport with Jason Vine
and the Folkswagen Amarak V Sex Uncompromised Capability, Premium Comfort
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Speaker 5 (01:17:48):
There be a Weekend Sports.

Speaker 6 (01:17:49):
We come to your live from the Kingslander in New
North Road, Auckland ahead of tonight's Test match or blacksby Ireland.
Our build up tonight starts at six o'clock and we'll
go through until kick off obviously at ten past seven,
and then following the game tonight, after the final whistle
and all of the post match form of interviews, et cetera,
will open the lines and take your immediate post test talkback,

(01:18:12):
in particular those of you who are going to the
game tonight and leaving the game afterwards, maybe driving home
or going back to wherever it is that you are
heading back to. We'd love to get sort of your
instant gut reaction to whatever plays out tonight. So yeah,
after the game finishes, which is likely to be what
around at nine o'clock, maybe just after nine, so we'll

(01:18:33):
open the lines between then and ten For fans of
in my day with Roman Travis, there's no need to panic.
That will be on the air after ten o'clock, but
between full time and ten o'clock we will take post
match talkback here on news talks. He'd be a couple
of texts have come through. We need to find that
irishman and extinction on his work visa. Yeah, what'd be

(01:18:53):
fairly popular. I'd imagine young Daniel. He's got a throng
around him at the moment. What a good man coming
over Garius's point. He very disappointed. Kyle Preston does not
get a chance on the be tonight or at all
if we lose tonight. What will you say about Rennie
in the leadership group tomorrow? Well, Gary, I guess we'll
cross that bridge when we come to it. I don't

(01:19:15):
want to preempt anything. I think tomorrow on the show
what we will do is probably give a summary of
the first three Test matches of Dave Rennie's reign as
All Black's head coach. Will be able to have a
decent body of work. Then France, Italy, Ireland. Whatever happens tonight,
we'll be able to assess it, give it some structure,

(01:19:38):
give it a you know, a bit of a bit
of a a mark out of ten. Perhaps Simon Parker
should be at six, says Nathan. He's Stephen from Deneeda.
Oh my god, Steven's here. We've got to get him
on the Stephen, sit down, sit down. I know you
want to put your Tago top on. Sit down, my friend,

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put this on.

Speaker 5 (01:20:03):
Stephen. How are you? How are you? Mate? What brings
what brings sho to Auckland.

Speaker 22 (01:20:07):
Well, Jason, I just want to say it's unfortunately the
timing has got it wrong. But because with the All
Blacks timing, it's at seven o'clock and unfortunately JJ has
given me a bitter idea and you'd taken me to
a Harlem the Globe trotters.

Speaker 6 (01:20:22):
So you're not going to the All Blacks. You're under
the Harlem Globe trotters to that same time. Yes, I
am what a catastrophe of timing. But you must have
a view on the All Blacks, surely.

Speaker 22 (01:20:31):
But I just want to say it's it is a
lot of timing and Auckland because you got the All
Blacks the same time, and you'll say you got the
war is at the same time as well, the Warriors
and also the home glob Johnson is going to be
a busy night in Auckland.

Speaker 6 (01:20:43):
It will be a busy now. Now give me your
thoughts on the All Blacks. Are they going to beat
the Irish tonight?

Speaker 22 (01:20:47):
I'm going to give you a sports beat now, Jason
and All Blacks will win by twelve and.

Speaker 5 (01:20:51):
Under Warbacks twelve and under?

Speaker 6 (01:20:52):
What about the Warrior is against the Dragons thirteen plus
thirteen plus and you can't beat on the Harlem Globe
because I'm not really proper sport?

Speaker 5 (01:20:59):
Is it not a sports beating situation anyway?

Speaker 22 (01:21:02):
But it's going to be a great evening things to
JJ and domand who have shouted me to them glow.

Speaker 9 (01:21:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:21:07):
So Stephen, it's great to see you.

Speaker 9 (01:21:09):
Mat.

Speaker 5 (01:21:09):
I'm so pleased to stop that.

Speaker 22 (01:21:11):
I wanted to come in and see you live and everything,
so first time I meet you, and even this is
we need to take a photo of each other.

Speaker 5 (01:21:16):
We will.

Speaker 6 (01:21:16):
I'll go to a cook ad break in a second
and then we can do that. Stephen, great to see
you mate, Thanks for stopping. And Stephen from Doneda, it's
amazing who you see at the Kingslander seven away from two.

Speaker 4 (01:21:28):
The build out and the band lay from the Kingslander
in Auckland.

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
It's weekend sport with Jason Vine and the Volkswagen Amarok
v SX uncompromised capability on sale from eighty nine nine
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Speaker 6 (01:21:42):
I what an absolute treat to have Stephen from Dunedin
popping in to the Kingslander.

Speaker 5 (01:21:47):
He's gone now. It just came in literally to come
and say hello. I love that.

Speaker 6 (01:21:54):
I love that one of New Zealand's true radio icons,
Stephen from Dunedin. He's even got a T shirt that
says Stephen from Dunedin. I can't believe he's going to
the Harlem globetron Us. Well I can, because that'll be
a good night. But he's a big All Blacks fan.
I know he loves his league as well. This is
the old night in Auckland Rugby Test Warriors against the Dragons,
Harlem Globetrotters.

Speaker 5 (01:22:15):
No doubt other things as well. Just on the Warriors.

Speaker 6 (01:22:17):
We haven't forgotten about them on weekend Sport. In fact,
after two o'clock will zero in on their clash tonight
atgo Media Stadium with the Dragons. Monty Bethan going to
join us and we'll do some World Cup football as
well and meet some more punters here at the Kingslander
back in the mote.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
Welcome to Kingsland, where just a stone's throwaway lies a
patch of turf, a patch of turf that has become
a fortress.

Speaker 5 (01:22:44):
Heavy old Blacks defend the fortress, a.

Speaker 1 (01:22:47):
Patch of turf where history weighs heavily on every blade
of ground.

Speaker 22 (01:22:51):
And we get underways herried and park Eden Park.

Speaker 9 (01:22:54):
There Blacks was our loss park.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
Over thirty years undefeated. But tonight the challenge is real
for Dave Rennie and his old Blags. This is the
biggest test yet. Eighty minutes that we'll tell us exactly
where this team stands. Can they defend the fortress? Can
they handle the pressure? Can they deliver when the rugby
world is watching? To join us where supporters gather, where

(01:23:19):
anticipation fills every corner, with interviews, insight and analysis you won't.

Speaker 4 (01:23:24):
Find anywhere else.

Speaker 1 (01:23:25):
Counting down to the All Blacks v Ireland. It's Weekend
Sport with Jason Vine live at the Kingslander in Auckland
on your home of Sport News talk Steadby.

Speaker 5 (01:23:37):
Here we're back. Welcome and welcome back to seven.

Speaker 6 (01:23:39):
This is newstalks heab and Weekend Sport and well the
Kingslander is minute by minute, hour by hour, just getting
a little bit busier, a little bit noisier. We're only
here tall three, which is probably quite a good thing.
Ten past seven tonight is kickoff of course the All
Blacks against South Africa built up from six on newstalkshab
commentary from ten past seven. We're going to cover off

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the Warriors this hour and a bit of the faithful
World Cup as well. But well, this is the second
was at the third time of or I think we
came here twice last year, Ben did we to the
Kingslander for the two Test matches in Auckland And I
can't remember which of the two test matches I met
these next two guests out, but it was one of them,
Christina and Tony.

Speaker 5 (01:24:19):
Lovely to see you both again. How are you going, Hey, Heiney.

Speaker 18 (01:24:21):
So good to be back.

Speaker 6 (01:24:23):
It's good to have you both here. I don't want
to cast us ursions on the fact that we only
meet each other in pubs, but okay, I think it's
it's it's just so cool to have you both here.
And I remember speaking to you last year and how
how much you were looking forward to the test. Was
it Australia or South Africa Africa, that's right, and we
were all quite.

Speaker 5 (01:24:41):
Nervous when we were really nervous. Yeah, so how do
you feel about tonight then?

Speaker 23 (01:24:45):
Not as nervous and just as excited, very excited. It's
fun because there's a couple of Irish jerseys here and there.
You know, they're getting a bit more as you said,
as the hours go by, a few more green jerseys
are walking through the door. But it's just such a
fun vibe.

Speaker 18 (01:25:00):
To be able to be a part of.

Speaker 6 (01:25:01):
Yes, So the South Africa Test last year, obviously we
won that one. Atton Park, the fortress remains unbreached. Do
you remember being nervous at all during the game, Tony, Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:25:15):
Yeah, I think we were, weren't we definitely there was
a lot writing on that it was yeah, yeah yeah no.

Speaker 6 (01:25:22):
And your your your your Test match day routine hasn't
seemed to change your heck of a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:25:27):
You're at the same table that you're at last year,
the same time, yeah, same time you come in and.

Speaker 6 (01:25:32):
By the looks of it as well, not that I've
had a good look, the same kind of refreshments as well.

Speaker 23 (01:25:36):
Yeah, that's going all day.

Speaker 5 (01:25:38):
Yeah, So how that's good.

Speaker 6 (01:25:40):
So how are you feeling about the Dave Renny all Blacks.
I mean, this is the first chance you would have
got to see them live. So how are you feeling
about about the team two?

Speaker 18 (01:25:46):
From such a good start?

Speaker 23 (01:25:48):
My god, Like, I'm so, I'm so excited to see
them in person, watch the game, see how they play,
just see the subtle differences that he's going to bring
in as well.

Speaker 5 (01:25:58):
So yeah, I'm really excited.

Speaker 24 (01:26:00):
For the crowd and with the Irish and Theirs, is
going to be fantastic.

Speaker 23 (01:26:05):
Hopefully the I bring some great signs. I remember seeing
one on TV a while ago and it was Diddly
Deep Potatoes and I thought, that's absolutely hilarious. So hopefully
some of the irishmen are out there and I've got
time to grab some cardboard and get sharpie and get
writing because it's hilarious.

Speaker 5 (01:26:23):
That's always with the Orish.

Speaker 6 (01:26:27):
I remember with South Africa last year, there were when
we were in the here together, there were it was
almost half and half fortunate, there were so many South
African fans.

Speaker 23 (01:26:33):
South African, Yeah, there was almost I thought before we
got to Eden Park, I thought we would be outnumbered
at the Fortress, but we weren't.

Speaker 5 (01:26:42):
But outside you.

Speaker 23 (01:26:43):
Just seem to think that it was South Africa fans everywhere,
and they were the I think that's probably the coolest
crowd we've ever been a part of. They were such
good supporters. So I'm really excited to see him to
be part of the Irish crowd today.

Speaker 6 (01:26:55):
Yeah, I think they've seen something special. They didn't get
it here. They got it the following week down and
Wellington unfortunately.

Speaker 5 (01:27:00):
And thank god they didn't get eat true, so the
fortress remained intact. Yeah, and I think there are probably
fewer expat Irish people in New Zealand and South Africa,
so now a big South African population in Auckland of course,
and like you say, they all sent something special.

Speaker 6 (01:27:16):
But either fortress remains intact. Right, I need a prediction
from both of you about tonight. You don't have to
give me an exact score, a winner or a margin.

Speaker 5 (01:27:23):
Something like that.

Speaker 23 (01:27:24):
Twenty three seventeen to us twenty three seventeen. It means
that they'll be able to get you know, keep it
kind of close, but not too close.

Speaker 24 (01:27:31):
Yeah, I think it'll be competitive to begin with, so
maybe the Irish up at halftime and then the All
Blacks come all.

Speaker 6 (01:27:36):
Right, okay, well look I'm not going to hold you
to any of this, but it is so good to
see you both. Thanks for stopping and as always, I
guess I'll see you again next.

Speaker 23 (01:27:43):
Year, the same time, same place.

Speaker 5 (01:27:46):
Well you know we're you know where to find me.
Thanks you too.

Speaker 6 (01:27:49):
Great to see you both, Christina and Tony super fans
of the All Blacks popping in to see us here
at the Kingslander, which you are welcome to do as well.
We're here until three o'clock on New North Road tonight.
Of course, apart from the All Blacks playing against Ireland,
we've also got the very small matter of an NRL
man to go media Stadium Round twenty with the Warriors
up against the Dragons. This is from seven thirty tonight

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coverage from seven on Sky Sport too. Incidentally, former Warrior
and now Sky Sport analyst and commentator Monty beat thems
on the phone with us.

Speaker 5 (01:28:21):
Monty, good to get your analysis of this one.

Speaker 6 (01:28:23):
Since the Warriors last played the Dragons a couple of
months ago, the Warriors have had two wins, three narrow
defeats and a couple of buys in there, so it's
been a bit up and down. How do you assess
the Warrior's recent form.

Speaker 13 (01:28:35):
Well, I think when you think about some of those
narrow losses and defeats, there are probably games of the
round two in games of the year when you think
about the Dolphins, but also the Penrith Panthers, but still
unable to get the job done. So no place like home,
and obviously with the pack at the moment all against
each other in the coming weeks and the Warriors having

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the better run and playing at home against the Dragons
who have only had the two wins. Yes, the last
week was against the Tigers. They're in a pretty good
position to capitalize.

Speaker 6 (01:29:06):
In March on despite the fact that Dragons you know,
are right down the bottom and as you say that
a pretty pretty miserable sort of a season. How big
a challenge will they still present to the Warriors tonight.

Speaker 13 (01:29:18):
Well, if you don't turn up tonight, you're going to
be in trouble. It's right that across the competition you
saw on Thursday night when you had the Broncos at
lost eight in the row to beat the top of
the table Penrith Panthers and we know they're always capable.
So it's simple. If you don't need your fish year position,
if you don't turn up, if you think that you
deserve to win without doing all the hard stuff and

(01:29:38):
all the groundwork foundation wise, you're going to be in
a lot of trouble. So the game at home, I know,
when it's a Slo crowd tonight, we always talks about
repaying the faith of the fans, so they've got to
do that. But they've got to start well. They can't
think that this is a team that's just going to
lay down, because this time of year you always have
the people down the bottom of allowed to get up

(01:30:00):
and try and go after some scalps. And no bigger
scalps than the Warriors who are sitting second at the moment.

Speaker 5 (01:30:04):
When you are down in your luck lock the Dragons are.
If the Warriors can start well and you know, get
out to a bit of a lead, let's say in
the first twenty minutes or so, Monty, you know, would
would the Dragons in their heart of hearts things I
think to themselves like, Okay, well this miserable season of
ours are just going to continue.

Speaker 11 (01:30:19):
I think.

Speaker 13 (01:30:19):
So I think you're revert to type, and you're revert
to what you know. You don't rise to the casion,
you fall to the levels of your preparation and the
way you've been playing. And that's how the Dragons have been.
Don't get me wrong. Next to you. When they get
some inclusions of metca, drink water, Sami Watson and call
them matungi, I think they're going to be a better side.
But at the moment they're very young. They don't know

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quite how to win and win consistently because they don't
have the right leaders doing the one percent or going
after the game in those little moments. But that's not
saying that they can't do it, you know, and sometimes
when you can't. Well, Set to two comes back home
tonight and play against his old club as well. He'll
be wanting to play well. It's a very good four
pack as well. But with you know, tonight's a milestone

(01:31:02):
with smiling mart and other players who're playing well. He's
plaid us playing the swiftieth match, So it's going to
be one of those games where the Warriors are almost
back to full strength or as close as they can be,
so they need to play well.

Speaker 6 (01:31:13):
Just on tomighty I mean at the start of the
season he probably wondered what his role might be to
play in this team with you know, a Tanner boy
there and Luke Metcalf obviously, but he's taken over since
boards injury at Magic Round and rarely run the cart.

Speaker 5 (01:31:24):
Well, how do you assess the way he's playing, He's
been outstanding.

Speaker 13 (01:31:28):
I think he's only played seven games this year when
you think about it of their available seventeen for the Warriors,
so he's still getting the runs on the board and
still getting better at it. Trying to work on his game.
He realizes probably kicking is not as best aspect of
the game, so trying to his run game has been
very good of late. Defensively he has always been very sound,

(01:31:49):
and that just their partnership is forming. Mishonel Harris Tavida
has been a pretty good one when you think about
the half back that he's keeping out of the running
right now. So you know, Luke metcal is probably going
to play Cup tonight. He'll get his minutes that way,
and as a result, you know, it's just more time
for tomorrow who celebrates a milestone to be out there
playing well behind a pack that gets Mitch Barnett back,

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and you have Cape well with others playing well, like
this Warrior's pack has been outstanding, That's what has been
playing well. But also Wade Egan, who has just been
an exceptional form.

Speaker 5 (01:32:24):
Yeah, it's been and it's been a bit of a
next man up as well, hasn't it. Monty.

Speaker 6 (01:32:28):
You know, you think about the guys who have dropped out,
the injuries they've had. I mean Jackson Ford was absolutely
magnificent until his injury. But yeah, Cape well, back, Barnett back.
I think every team hopes they have a next man
up mentality, don't they. But the Warriors are really sort
of you know, walking that.

Speaker 5 (01:32:42):
Walk this year.

Speaker 13 (01:32:43):
Oh Jacob Labor and you mentioned Nick men up mentality
and what he's been able to do is now a
made him minute players, someone who's on the cusp of
bigger Ona's representatively at the back end of the year
when you know you've got a World Cup coming up,
and you know Tannis Dale Smith another guy who's been exceptional,
you know, just taking all his chances over the years.
He's been getting more and more with injuries to some
some key person now but for me, even more exciting

(01:33:06):
and seeing their homegrown talent and just becoming eighty minute
flowers or players that can contribute with or without the ball.
And we've been seeing more.

Speaker 4 (01:33:13):
And more of that, so love it.

Speaker 13 (01:33:16):
But you know, when you've got more strike out there,
a Camperrera, you've got Leka Hala Sima, who was you
know on limited minutes last week playing forty, You'll probably
get a little bit more tonight. That's where you get
some of the X factor because you look, you can
go deep in this competition, but to really beat at
the right end and to make a difference and to

(01:33:37):
put your hand up as our winner, you've got to
have some strike. And with a lofty back a Lecqua
Jake playing well on that other edge, being able to
score tries from his kicks up pie eerily, then you
start feeling better about it. With Mitch Barnett and also
James for share co captain's getting more game time together.

Speaker 6 (01:33:55):
You mentioned Luk Metcalfe is going to get minutes playing cup.
What's your gup film, Onty, Is he going to play
first grade again this year or not?

Speaker 13 (01:34:03):
Look at just takes one moment where a minor injury
or a serious injury to some keepers now and then
you're going to get the opportunity. You know, if you're
asking to Mighty mart and ten weeks ago, are you
going to play for first grade this year? He probably
would have scratched his head and said no, I remember
in that game, you know, when he's getting ready to
come on, he thought he's just going to be doing

(01:34:24):
extras after the game. But all of a sudden tan
the board goes down, and now to Might, who plays
a starring role and not just the bits, a a
role where he becomes the guy with the keys who
leaves his team around the park. So to know that
you've got someone a's good as Luke Metcalfe, they're waiting
if something goes wrong, but getting the minute and cup
just it's really good because when we're talking about expected

(01:34:45):
before something that the side needs, he's one that we
have seen last year when he's at his best, what
he could do. But in saying that, Tomight's been doing
a fantastic job with his numbers assist and also his
running ability and of course defensively very very sound.

Speaker 6 (01:35:00):
All right production time to finish comfortable Warriors, When or
do you think it could be a slightly tougher a
sign monem than some are expecting.

Speaker 13 (01:35:08):
Look, I think it's going to be tough early and
could be for a very long period of time. But
I think where this Warriors team I wanted to go tonight.
They've got to win thirteen plus and they've got to
win well. You know, last week against the Tiger site desperate,
they are down on completions, they are down on discipline,
but yet they've got great line breaks. I think was
twelve to two. So if you can get their same

(01:35:30):
line breaks in this game, you've got to finish them
off and you've got to capitalize. And I think this
Warriors so it's going to do it against a sellout announcement.

Speaker 9 (01:35:39):
Grout, brilliant.

Speaker 5 (01:35:40):
Always love chatting rugby league with you, Monty. Thanks for
taking the time as always, mate, Thanks Fini, No.

Speaker 6 (01:35:45):
Good on you, mate, Monty Betham there joining us SO
Warriors tonight seven thirty go Media Stadium. The All Blacks
kick off against Ireland at teen past seven at Eden Park.
This is the first time I can remember, and I
might be wrong, but I think this is the first
time the All Blacks and the Warriors have played at
the same time in the same city.

Speaker 5 (01:36:05):
I know they have been on at the same time before.

Speaker 6 (01:36:09):
Maybe it's been the All Blacks in a home test
and the Warriors playing in Australia or something similar. I'm
pretty sure that they've been on at the same time before,
but I can't remember them being on at the same
time in the same city. Both games sold out. That
is absolutely terrific. I wonder how many of those who

(01:36:29):
were going along to one of the or one or
the other tonight will be keeping an eye or an
ear on the other game. My gut feel is that
quite a few All Blacks fans will be keeping tabs
on the Warriors that at Eden Park tonight. They'll have
their phone out, maybe not watching it, but maybe just

(01:36:49):
checking the score in the other game. I think quite
a few All Blacks fans are Warriors fans. I don't
think it'll be quite as many going back the other way.
That's not to say that Warriors fans don't care about
the All Blacks, because I know that they do. But
I just reckon that Warriors fans maybe on the whole
a bit more single minded.

Speaker 5 (01:37:12):
In their focus. That could be a huge generalization.

Speaker 6 (01:37:15):
I'm sure there be people at the Warriors who are
checking it on the All Black score as well. I
just feel like there'll be more All Blacks fans doing
it the other way, which also leads me to wonder,
and maybe you can tell me. For those of you
who aren't going to be at one or the other
of these games tonight, you're either not in Auckland or
you are in Auckland but not going along, how you

(01:37:37):
will approach your sports viewing tonight. We are well into
the era now of double screening. You don't necessarily have
to choose one or the other. You can watch one
thing on your main TV and something else on your
tablet or on your phone, something like that. If that
is what you are doing tonight, Which way around is

(01:38:01):
it for you? What is on the number one screen?

Speaker 5 (01:38:06):
If we can call it that.

Speaker 6 (01:38:08):
The All Blacks kick off slightly earlier ten past seven,
the Warriors at seven thirty, so for the first twenty minutes,
unless you're deeply invested in watching the build up to
the Warriors, for the first twenty minutes of the All Blacks,
you watch that. But then when the Warriors kick off
and both games are on at the same time, what
are you doing?

Speaker 5 (01:38:28):
Be interested to hear you can call it through.

Speaker 6 (01:38:30):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Your text messages
are also welcome. If you give us your strategy on text,
I can perhaps pass that on to others so that
they can do the same thing. Does anybody still do
the whole? Okay, watch one of them live in its entirety,
record the other one, and then watch that in its
entirety afterwards. So, for example, in this situation, you'd watch

(01:38:54):
the All Blacks because it kicks off first, you'd watch.

Speaker 5 (01:38:57):
It all the way to the end.

Speaker 6 (01:38:58):
You'd record the Warriors, and then when the final whistle
blows at Eden Park, you will then watch the Warriors
from the start and avoid the score.

Speaker 5 (01:39:08):
So I'm asked if I want a beer.

Speaker 7 (01:39:12):
I.

Speaker 5 (01:39:14):
Can't have a beer yet. If I need, I need
to finish the radio show. I was distracted there. I
was distracted there by the publican offering me a beer.
I can't have one just yet? Where was I?

Speaker 9 (01:39:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:39:26):
So does anybody still do that? Do they watch one
and then record the other? Going to take a break
and come back. Eight hundred and eighty ten eight years
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Speaker 5 (01:39:40):
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Speaker 1 (01:39:44):
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Speaker 6 (01:39:58):
Two twenty seven. Texted Pine if you have a beer
during the show it might be more entertaining. Well potentially
that's true.

Speaker 5 (01:40:04):
I hope it's.

Speaker 6 (01:40:05):
There's not a jeestion that it's terribly boring without a beer.
That would be a worry.

Speaker 5 (01:40:10):
Kevin, Hello mate, Hey, good day, Tony. How are you Kevin? Good?
Thanks mate, very good.

Speaker 3 (01:40:17):
Hey.

Speaker 25 (01:40:17):
Good for me at the double the double screening today
of course with the I'm kind of I'll have the
All Black game on radio, and I'll probably had the
Warriors game on the TV, and then I'll probably be
doing the same for the Dog Tiger's game and then
calling it counts today.

Speaker 6 (01:40:35):
God, you got so much going on, Kevin, I don't
know how you won't have enough screens to follow it all.

Speaker 5 (01:40:41):
Good idea to listen to the rugby mate, and watch
the Warriors.

Speaker 6 (01:40:45):
Elliott Smith does a magnificent job on the commentary of
the rugby, so maybe that's the idea is you watch
the Warriors and listen to the rugby.

Speaker 5 (01:40:52):
Good on you, Kevin.

Speaker 6 (01:40:53):
Hello Roger, Hey mate, I've got a bit of a
situation that you haven't covered.

Speaker 5 (01:40:59):
Man.

Speaker 11 (01:41:00):
I've got a liven year old son and my missus.

Speaker 26 (01:41:03):
Has organized a dinner at am at the Ginghi's Barbecue
Mongolian mate, and there's eleven of us going. There's a
few rugby fans and league fans, brother in laws and
everything in one's sort of like, you know, I'm getting
a few ticks on the side scratch in their heads.

Speaker 11 (01:41:20):
I don't know what to do, mate, because what do
we do, mate? There's going to be no TV's in there?
Where do we rush to a sports bar and you
can't let a kid down?

Speaker 8 (01:41:29):
There's going to be dessert.

Speaker 9 (01:41:30):
I'm just at a loose in of need.

Speaker 11 (01:41:31):
You're at worse right now, please, By.

Speaker 6 (01:41:33):
This is a catastrophic situation that you've been landed in
through no fault of your own. It would be different
if you if you'd organized it, Roger, then I mean
we could blame you entirely for this.

Speaker 5 (01:41:44):
I don't want to Was it your wife? Did you
say who had organized this?

Speaker 9 (01:41:48):
Yeah? To that's mate.

Speaker 26 (01:41:49):
And if I had organized us would be going to
a burger shop, there's tray because good sports bar.

Speaker 14 (01:41:54):
And it would be we're be here now, we're be
here now that we'd be eating dinner at fourth thirty.

Speaker 26 (01:41:59):
And just oh may, I just don't know what to do, mate,
You're you're the oracle.

Speaker 5 (01:42:04):
Please all.

Speaker 6 (01:42:05):
I'm like, I feel as though you need to need
to make use of a couple of your phones tonight
in that case, because yeah, by the sounds of it,
I don't know this to be true, but I'm not
sure they'll have big screens there.

Speaker 5 (01:42:17):
You don't seem to think they will.

Speaker 6 (01:42:18):
I feel as though you need to have a couple
of a couple of phones propped up against a water
jug or something similar and so that those of you
who are interested in keeping an eye on it can
do so. The other option, Roger, is you just bolt
your meal and just get somewhere where a screen is
just bolted down like you're not supposed to, and then
get out of there and find a screen or screens somewhere.

Speaker 11 (01:42:42):
Yeah, good, thanks mate. I just need to share that.

Speaker 5 (01:42:47):
All the best, mat Hey give a score tomorrow let
me know what you did.

Speaker 16 (01:42:52):
See.

Speaker 5 (01:42:52):
These are the challenges we face. It's like when there's
a really big game on.

Speaker 6 (01:42:56):
I'm not saying these aren't big games like a World
Cup final or something, and somebody's getting married on that
same day, and I know these things are planned a
long way in advance.

Speaker 5 (01:43:06):
But with we had this conundrum before on the show.

Speaker 6 (01:43:08):
We've addressed it before, where on the day of a
very very very big game, you're at a wedding, not
your own wedding, that's different somebody else's wedding. Is it
okay to watch an All Blacks test at somebody else's wedding?
We can open up that can of worms another day.
It's tough pass too a little bit later the normal,
But let's bring in our Australian correspondent Adam Peacock and

(01:43:30):
we're at the Kingslander building towards the All Blacks against
Ireland tonight. Following that, of course, it's the Wallabies against
Italy in Perth. Any sense of trepidation ahead of this
one with Australia throwing away that nine point halftime lead
last week to lose to France.

Speaker 12 (01:43:47):
Yeah there is.

Speaker 10 (01:43:50):
It's goodbye Joe Schmidt. So I mean, I don't know.
There hasn't been the greatest theory of Australian rugby, so
I don't think there's any romance attached to that. I
generally believe that the players like him and have learned
a lot from him. I just have been We'll put
this way, Joe hasn't been out to select the players
that he wanted all the time because they're either being
injured or not available or yeah, the players haven't aimed up.

(01:44:13):
But yeah, we'll see what happens. That Really, on paper,
we should be able to handle this one. Got close
enough to Ireland, We're very good for half against France
and then good Blood apart the second half. So yeah,
a few things need to happen to go right tonight
because lose this one and it's full crisis. It doesn't
matter who the coach is.

Speaker 6 (01:44:32):
Yeah, yeah, well Liz Kiss comes in, doesn't he, And
then I guess he charges headlong towards the Rugby World
Cup next year. What's the feeling at I mean, has
he got enough time to, you know, to get us
players where they need to be for a for a
World Cup on home sword in about fifteen months.

Speaker 10 (01:44:47):
Well that was the trick of this whole handover, wasn't it.
Like Okay, it looks nice and neat, you know, like
a nastly, neat package for someone to open type thing
handed over and everything's all fine and everyone's on the
same page and all that. But in reality now it's like, well,
why wasn't Let's Kiss in charge for these two tests
in the first place?

Speaker 11 (01:45:06):
What's the point of them?

Speaker 10 (01:45:08):
Like if the wall of He's won them, it would
have been like, oh, well, yeah, let's Kiss really need
to take over and they keep Joe Schmidt. Like the
design of it. I get the reasons, I absolutely get.
The actual implementation is like, oh, wasn't there a better way?
And there might have been, I don't know. Less Kiss
obviously involved with Queensland, was super uggy for a while

(01:45:29):
and maybe he needed a bit of time off before
he went full on for well what's going to be
fifteen sixteen months of full on?

Speaker 11 (01:45:36):
So I get it.

Speaker 10 (01:45:37):
But yeah, there's a lot of people over here saying, well,
this is not turned out the way it maybe should have.
Maybe Lesskiss should have taken over earlier.

Speaker 6 (01:45:47):
Let's go to the NRL. The Broncos snapping the eight
game losing streaker bit of a shock. Actually a fourteen
twelve went over Penrith, who lead the competition to open
around twenty Thursday night. Any chance the springboards the Broncos
into top eight contention or have they left there run
a bit too late?

Speaker 10 (01:46:03):
Yeah, they had the They had the kind of aora
of the team after the game. It's like, Oh, this
is the start of something.

Speaker 1 (01:46:10):
Now.

Speaker 10 (01:46:11):
If they play with that appetite in the first half
of the season, they would be in this position to
the first place. And I know they haven't had everyone available,
forget that they've had a horrible injury toll. But they
did have all their best back the other night, and
they aimed up and they came with the intensity to
unsettle Penrith, and they unsettled Penriths and.

Speaker 11 (01:46:27):
They were very good.

Speaker 10 (01:46:28):
I still think it's too late, that the path is
too narrow for them to get to where they need to.
But yeah, you can't rule it out with the class
of players they've got totally. But I'd say it's about
a ten to ten chance and to the World Cup.

Speaker 6 (01:46:44):
Where we've had one hundred and two games, two to go,
one pretty meaningless tomorrow morning and then one pretty meaningful
on Monday morning. Spain France, Spain, France, No, not at all, Spain, Argentina.

Speaker 11 (01:46:56):
Who have you got, ah, Spain?

Speaker 10 (01:46:59):
Just it's the ultimate. I don't know what you reckon, Piney.
I think it's the old contest between football IQ and
football emotion. Now that's not to say that Argentina don't
have football IQ and Spain don't have football emotion, but
you flip it and Spain their IQ's off the charts,
and Argentina was messy and everything else, their emotions off
the charts.

Speaker 9 (01:47:20):
Like.

Speaker 10 (01:47:21):
It's actually a really hard thing to analyze about what
Argentina will bring and what they'll lift themselves to and
all of those things. And they're pretty good tactically as well.
But Spain are on another level when it comes to
stopping in opposition, doing what they want and doing what
they want. So yeah, I'll just lump towards Spain.

Speaker 11 (01:47:37):
What do you reckon?

Speaker 10 (01:47:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:47:38):
IQV emotion is a great way looking at it, and
it is the perfect encapsulation of it. I think Spain
will win the game, but I thought Argentina would lose
well before they have, and here they are in the final,
all sort of, you know, working towards the greater good
of this one man and the ten jersey. Yeah, so
I've got Spain, but I would not be saying that

(01:47:59):
with any degree of confidence at all. Just actually, while
we're on the football, I know, I mean, you would
have watched the other morning.

Speaker 5 (01:48:07):
I know you did. Have you been able to work
out in the time since what Thomas Tukle was doing
or not?

Speaker 9 (01:48:13):
No, I haven't.

Speaker 10 (01:48:16):
The only thing I can land on is that he
didn't have the options he wanted available, like Sacker wasn't available,
he wasn't allowed to play a minute. No one's come
out and confirmed that. And also his players fell on
a physical whole after the exploits of Mexico at altitude
and then Norway and the heat and they just all
caught up with them. And yeah, but psychologically I think
it all happened in the seventy second minute when he

(01:48:38):
changed the winger for a central defender and it's like, oh, okay,
that's the message to the team guys, you know what
to do now. And it didn't work and he has
to sit there and comp it. That's what he's paid
to do. He's paid to make decisions of that height
and variety. He's paid. He's brought him to win England
a World Cup and he's made a decision which a

(01:48:59):
lot of people feel meant that they have ended up
not winning a World Cup. And obviously it's not entirely
his fault. The players have got to be better in
that moment. But yeah, it was a strange one.

Speaker 6 (01:49:11):
Yeah, re else Yeah, still still very very hard to
comprehend all I maight hate.

Speaker 5 (01:49:16):
We'll enjoy the rest of your weekend. Always good chatting
Izy sport with you. We'll do it again next Saturday.

Speaker 6 (01:49:20):
Keeps funny how we go one, You have a good
one team mate, Adam Peacock. There our Australian correspondent with
us on weekend Sports. Slightly later than usual, but always
good to chat sport from that side of the Tasman.
My miss says, organized says this text for the family
to go to the Harlem Globe Trotters that starts at six.
We're gonna have to find somewhere as soon as it finishes.
That's showing one of the games to make it worse,

(01:49:41):
I was offered a corporate box ticket to the Warriors.
Goodness me, see, this is the This is the difficulty,
isn't it When a lot of things happen at the
same time. Ed says, don't forget the ice hockey, the
Swarm playing the Thunder in Dunedin, puck off at six.
I'll be careful how you say that, Thanks, Ed, appreciate it.
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(01:53:12):
go at the feet for World Cup the final Monday morning,
seven o'clock New Zealand time Spain against Argentina. But the
conversation continues in England after they were beaten to one
by Argentina in the semifinals on Thursday and now play
the bronze medal match tomorrow. Let's bring an award winning
sports commentator, reporter, presenter journalist with BBC five Live Sport,

(01:53:33):
Mike Maney. Mike obviously huge disappointment in the immediate aftermath
of this game. But how much has the mood changed
and evolved in the couple of days since that semi
final defeat?

Speaker 9 (01:53:45):
Yeah, what are we on?

Speaker 3 (01:53:46):
We're forty eight hours on I think from the game
now and Joe, I went and had my haircuts today.
I went to the barbers, and it's the first thing
that people are still speaking about. It's still that raw.
I think that still that mood of frustration, still, that
that air of disappointment of having the game really in

(01:54:06):
England's control.

Speaker 15 (01:54:07):
And throwing it away. Is they did that everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:54:13):
I usually get a little bit cynical over the fact
that everyone's a football manager post match a result, but
I really think everybody could see what was going on
in that game. And it even felt on what eighty
minutes that England were holding out, possibly for penalties, even
you know, to get extra time, that they kind of
wanted it. I think they knew that we were going
to have to suck up a lot of Argentina pressure.

(01:54:36):
And yeah, and so the mood of the nation is
still one of regret. Nobody is talking yet about the
game with France tomorrow night our time.

Speaker 15 (01:54:47):
Everyone is still mulling over what happened against Argentina.

Speaker 6 (01:54:50):
Well, the biggest talking point obviously from the game has
been Thomas Tuckle's tactics after England went wander lap and
just how defensive he went. And we've all seen the
stats of position that Argentina ahead and that England didn't have.
How much has the scrutiny into his decision making evolved
over the last forty eight hours or so.

Speaker 3 (01:55:10):
I think there's there's an element of I wouldn't say anger,
but I would kind of phrase it as careful in
his comments about how soaking up pressure or being able
to hold possession is not part of the English DNA,
which is what he said within the twenty four hours

(01:55:32):
after the defeat to Argentina in that he kind of felt,
you know, there was no choice but to go to
a back five throw on all the defenders and hope
you hold out because there was just no way that
England can hold possession. But I think the frustration that
side is, well, hold on England. We're doing it for
fifty five sixty minutes before well, as they scored and

(01:55:55):
then Argentina took over, and the mood that again, the
mood of the nation is very much at one nil,
we shut up.

Speaker 15 (01:56:03):
Shop and we didn't attack the ball.

Speaker 3 (01:56:05):
We didn't the defensive substitutions, you know, limited what that
midfield could do. Harry Kine was was what the furthest
forward player. But even that was midway inside the England half.
There was no runners, there was there was no pace
that if England did get out, you could at least
get the ball out to a pacey player.

Speaker 15 (01:56:27):
They hold the ball up whilst everyone else catches up.

Speaker 3 (01:56:30):
And having played so well, no, not not domination, but
had the better of Argentina and ruffled their feathers and
obviously scored the goal at fifty five minutes. I think that,
and I can't think who said it now one of
our pundits over here. There's no way that one nil

(01:56:51):
Spain are throwing away possession like that. There's no way
one nil Argentina throwing possession away like that. There's no
way France are so hawaii England. And if Tukle has
come in to change the DNA of perhaps that's how
we would have done it. There certainly felt a sense
of that's how it would have gone under Garret Southgate.
Perhaps why is that not changed? He's had the job

(01:57:12):
a couple of years now, so why is that? Why
are we still And if he's picked the squad that
he thinks can cope with his tactics, why are they
still not playing that way? So yeah, I think even
forty eight hours on, I don't think anybody's changed the tune.
I don't think there's a lot of hindsight that's changed
that tone. It's still confusion over perhaps the tactics and

(01:57:34):
the substitutions that were made that night.

Speaker 6 (01:57:36):
This course, isn't the first time that England fans have
had to deal with Worldcap disappointment. That's it's just the
lad has chipped really unfortunately. If you compare this defeat
with England's previous World Cup defeats and knockout matches, does
this one, Mike maybe hurt even more because because it
was just there, it was so close.

Speaker 15 (01:57:56):
Yeah, I can't.

Speaker 3 (01:57:57):
I can't again. Another pun that I heard saying woman
will never have a better chance. I don't know whether
I agree or disagree with that, because you have to
think again. In twenty eighteen, they were one lill up
very early on, admittedly, but they scored early against Croatia
and one mil up.

Speaker 15 (01:58:11):
And is the stat only since sixty six only.

Speaker 3 (01:58:17):
Twice as a team taken the lead in the semi
final and not gone on to win it, and on
both occasions it's England. But then I was reflecting and
amongst her, I was kind of thinking, well, well, since
sixty six England. I've only played three semi finals nineteen ninety,
twenty eighteen, twenty twenty six, and two of them have
been in my lifetime, so there's a whole generation of

(01:58:39):
fans that have Then you think how lucky you are
perhaps to be seeing that England, because I remember twenty
and two is the first World Cup I remember, and
I remember six and twenty ten disappointment, the Germany game
twenty fourteen just complete flat performance. Twenty eighteen gave you hope.
Twenty twenty two was beaten by the you know, a

(01:59:01):
very good French French side in the end, So I
I to me it's tinged with a little bit of
pride when you think about it in the context of
what's gone before.

Speaker 15 (01:59:14):
It will hurt because.

Speaker 3 (01:59:17):
Because of how better we were in the first half
in Argentina and in a team that he's rimming with talent,
Because then you have to maybe foresight and go on, well,
in four years time, Harry Kane's going to be knocking
on the door of thirty seven, your best striker, one
of the world's best strikers. Where's everyone else going to

(01:59:38):
be in that picture? Will Will Bellingham still be at
the top of his game. Obviously left field, phone and
out would he come back? So it's hard to when
you look back, you think it was England's best chance.
Are we gonna have a better chance? It's hard to say,
so I'm trying to look at it on a flat level.
I think it hurts because of how better we were

(02:00:01):
against an Argentina side with mean l MESSI but I think, yeah,
it's it's it's hard to judge that one, I think,
and I trend not to look at it like that
because I remember the feeling of twenty eighteen twenty twenty two,
felt like we went out too early, but we weren't
good enough at the same time, So I don't quite

(02:00:23):
know where we pitched this one just yet.

Speaker 6 (02:00:25):
All right, well before the team can hit home, of course,
I've now got the game that nobody wants to play,
and they've caught it rather grandly, the Bronze middle match.
It's really the playoff for third and fourth of course
against France. How Thomas took ale approach this one mic
in terms of giving guys who haven't played a lot
or ed all of the World Cups and minutes will
he do that? Has he in his players up for

(02:00:45):
this one as well.

Speaker 3 (02:00:47):
Yeah, I think that's true in the French side as well,
because they were heavily tipped to win it and they've
fallen short to a very good, resilient Spain side. So
it is completely a game where two teams that had
a lot of hope and expectation of coming into it
now completely flat. Both had to look at the full

(02:01:07):
time whistle to know on both sides where boat teams
kind of felt like it. I can't remember four years ago,
but when Morocco made the semi final it was very
much obviously it was the first African team member to
make some father that they had a lot of pride carrying.
I think both teams come into this without that pride
as such, So I think it'd be interesting to see

(02:01:27):
what tu Call does.

Speaker 9 (02:01:31):
He might.

Speaker 3 (02:01:33):
Retaliate a little bit to what the media has been
saying over the last few days in terms of defensive
substitutions and stuff.

Speaker 15 (02:01:39):
He might give those minutes.

Speaker 3 (02:01:42):
You look at Cobby Mayneo, who in an bang average
season for Manchester United when Michael Carrott came in, revitalized
or was part of the revitalization of Manchester United, hasn't
had a minute at this World Cup, so i'd be
you know, it would be nice to see him get
some warranted minutes.

Speaker 15 (02:01:59):
Does he Yeah? Does he feel the need to play
Harry Kane?

Speaker 9 (02:02:03):
Does he?

Speaker 3 (02:02:03):
Does he give some other options to you know, likes
of Ollie Watkins and Morgan Rodger's sorry Ivan Tony who
only came on later against Argentina today, get a chance
maybe to show the manager what they can do.

Speaker 15 (02:02:17):
I haven't heard the French media side.

Speaker 3 (02:02:19):
I don't know what they're thinking or what there what
Didier de Schamp has has said again he's leaving, so
he might want to go out strong at least get
third place in the World Cup, if if he cares
about it that much, which is always the balance of
this game. So yeah, I think it'd be nice for
two or to do something different or no experiment, but
at least reward those players we've gone out to America

(02:02:41):
and show perhaps why you pick them. But ultimately do
you want the best of the best France against England,
which case it won't be too dissimilar.

Speaker 6 (02:02:50):
All right, well remains to be saying for the third
place match against France tomorrow morning. Mike, thanks for joining
us across New Zealand has always always great to get
your insight my absolute pleasure. Thanks Mike Mike Manay there
from BBC five Live Sport seven away from three News
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