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January 18, 2025 • 124 mins

On the Weekend Sport with Jason Pine Full Show Podcast for 19 January 2025, Piney is looking ahead to the second day of SailGP for more racing action.

SailGP chief executive Sir Russell Coutts confirmed a long term hosting agreement is on the cards, as conversations have started up regarding the event's future.

Italian SailGP CEO Jimmy Spithill joined Piney to discuss the team's outlook ahead of the second day of sailing.

Black Foils team strategist Liv Mackay unpacked a less-than-ideal start for the Kiwi crew - and revealed how the team could turn their luck around.

And Sir Russell's son, Mattias Coutts, celebrated a significant victory - having recently claimed the Moth World Championships title.

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport Podcast with Jason Fine
from News Talks EDB. Eleventeens from across the globe Converge
on the way to Mata Harbor. Sale GP returns to
New Zealand and we've got all the big names in
sailing straight sprint of its Weekend Sport with Jason Pine

(00:27):
live from the sale GP Village at win Your Point
on your home of Sport News Talks EDB.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yes, Jerred, Good afternoon, Welcome into another very special edition
of Weekend Sport on News Talks EDB. Sunday, January nineteen,
We're coming to your live from Winyard Point in Auckland,
scene of the race stadium in the second event of
season five and the Rolex sale GP Championship. Australia tops
the table after Day one as SALGP made its Auckland

(00:54):
debut in front of over twelve thousand fans on a
picture perfect day on white Tomata Harbor yesterday. Good conditions
and time to work with meant that SALEGP for the
first time adopted a Super Saturday format with four fleet
racers yesterday. Despite some shifty conditions, the shortest course on
the calendar and the introduction of salgp's new high speed

(01:16):
Titanium t foils. The eleven strong fleet displayed some masterful
racing in front of some passionate Kiwi fans. Emirates, Great
Britain and Spain sit behind the Australians going into day two,
and after a bit of a slow start, the Black
Foils recovered to win the final fleet race of the
day to sit forth overall. Now, even though there were

(01:36):
four races yesterday, there'll still be two more fleet racers
today before the three boat final racing underway at four
o'clock this afternoon. So over the next three hours we'll
bring you the most comprehensive preview you will find of
this iconic event. On the show this afternoon, some of
the biggest names in sailing Sale GP CEO Sir Russell
Coots is here to let us off shortly. Also this

(01:59):
our Blackfoils strategist, Live Mackay. Later in the show, the
new Italian team's founder and CEO. I think you'll recognize
that's the name. Sailing legend Jimmy Spittle is with us.
Great Britain strategist Hannah Mills, Brazil flight controller, the Kiwi
Andy maloney. We're also going to wrap day one on
the water and look at prospects for day two with

(02:19):
sale GP commentator, double Olympian and former world champion Stevie Morrison.
He's along this hour and we'll catch up with recently
crowned Moth Class world champion Matthias Coots. You might recognize
the surname. Yes, he is the son of Sir Russell.
Plus plenty more from our spectacular position in the sale
GP media center overlooking the racecourse on Waitamata Harbor. You

(02:43):
can join us whenever you like, especially if you went
along yesterday and or are coming along today. What did
you make of it yesterday if you watched it, perhaps
if you checked it out in any way, shape or form.
We'd love to hear a reaction to sale GP's debut
in Auckland Live Sports Keeping eye on this afternoon as well,
including Super Smash cricket and Australian Open tennis. And as

(03:04):
I say, you can join the show any of you like.
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty gets your throw on
the phone nineteen ninety two for a text. Emails and
to Jason at Newstalk SEDB dot co dot n Seid
coming up ten past midday.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
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Speaker 2 (03:29):
SIV kicking us off today. It's a pleasure to be
joined by sale GP Chief Executive Sir Russell Coots. Sir Russell,
thanks for stopping in for a chat to kick us
off today. You co founded sale GP in twenty eighteen.
Are you where you wanted to be where you hoped
you'd be nearly seven years on and into season five?

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Yeah, it's it's It's moved pretty fast, hasn't it. We're
really thrilled with the developments. I mean, we set out
to have a professional sports league like other professional sports leagues,
where there's we can sign long term agreements with partners.

Speaker 4 (04:06):
And of course now this is the Rollin.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
SALGP Championship where we've signed a ten year plus agreement
with Rollings So and all the other global partners you know,
I Oracle, Mubadala, DP World, Emirates, Apex and now a
Core you know. I mean, that's way ahead of where
we thought we'd be at this present point in time,

(04:30):
and they are all long contracts as well.

Speaker 5 (04:33):
And.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
It's great to have those sort of partners on board.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Yeah, so the commercial model's going great, so too the
viewer numbers the eyeballs on the sport. Why do you
think it has quickly attracted so much spectator attention?

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Well, the sport's never had a consistent platform amazingly before.
So if you look at Formula one and you make it,
you know, you look at what they've done. They've got
twenty four events a year, right, so if you say
that that's roughly one every two weeks, that grants the

(05:08):
appointment to view. And so the viewer, the fan might
not know where the next race is necessarily, but they
know to search up the next race and find out
that it's on, and of course they have their off season,
so in some cases it's one a week, you know,
but there's a defined period of time where there are
events on and the fans know that there is events on.
We are still not even at that level at thirteen events.

(05:28):
We need to get to twenty odd events a year,
and once we get to that stage, we'll be able
to jump this commercially again because we'll then go into
series within series, you know, so for example in North
America you might end up with six events in Canada
and the US. That of course will be great for

(05:48):
our host broadcast as media partners, but also the commercial
partners that involved as well, great for the fans because
you can then have and the same in Europe, the
same in the Middle East, the same in Australasia.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
You then have the races.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
Of course they cover all the series, but the races
that are focused within their.

Speaker 4 (06:07):
Time zones, and that really jumps it to the next level.

Speaker 6 (06:11):
Again.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
How much of the attraction for spectators do you think
is the fact that all the boats are the same,
they're identical.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
It's massive because you know, at the end of the day,
it comes down to the quality of the racing. And
we saw yesterday that any of these teams are capable
of winning, you know, if they put it together, that
they are capable of winning.

Speaker 4 (06:30):
Of course, the best teams are more consistent.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
At the stage, but you know, they're all good races.
We've got the best sailers in the world out there
racing and identical boats and that I think is the
reason why it's so close. You know, you only have
to make a slight mistake. And the other factor is
they're not only identical boats, but we intentionally make them
really difficult to sail. So, for example, if we could

(06:53):
automate certain parts of the flight control system and it
would make it really easy to sail the boat, we don't.

Speaker 4 (07:01):
We actually make it really hard to sail the boat.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
So it reflects, it sort of reflects and talent above,
you know, just robotic type competition. And I think that's
that's that makes it really interesting, you know. Yeah, and
allowing that, I think allowing the coaches to communicate with
the boat live during the race is a big deal too.
We haven't quite captured that on broadcast yet. Maybe it

(07:27):
will end up being a second screen experience where the
fan can also listen into their their preferred team. We
have some amazing technology in the pipeline now that where
a fan will be able to go on board live
see the view on board their chosen boat. For example,
if you if you're following the Black Foils, you'll be

(07:49):
able to go on board their boat and watch the
race from their perspective and listen to their comps.

Speaker 4 (07:54):
You know, that might even be.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
You know, be better better than broadcasting for some of
the fans for sure. So yeah, we're excited about those
sort of developments coming up. We've already got that technology
working by the way.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Oh that's amazing. That will be a real attraction. So
as a world class sailor yourself, put yourself on one
of these boats. What it's a difficult boat to sail,
as you say, what do you need to do to
sail it?

Speaker 3 (08:19):
Well, well, I even sell them much, you know. I
think I've been twice, but and I haven't driven one,
you know, but they are incredibly difficult.

Speaker 7 (08:28):
You know.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
It's like the analogy would be flying an aircraft with
somebody controlling the thrust, somebody controlling the tail, somebody controlling
each flap on each in each wing, you know, and
not that same person all the time either, because they've
got a cross sides. So when for example, when the
fly controller is crossing sides, the driver's got to be

(08:48):
flying the boat, you know. So I think there's thirty
two actions that the teams have to.

Speaker 4 (08:56):
Perform in perfect time.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
So if the half a second out with one of
the actions, you see the boat go out of trim.
And you see that all the time because it's so
difficult to do because it depends on the turn rate.
Sometimes you're dictated by the other boats on the course.
So all of these teams can fly the boat with
zero touchdowns around the course if they're on their own.

(09:19):
But you put other boats on the course, it changes it,
you know, and all of a sudden, it puts your
timing out. You can't necessarily predict when they are going
to maneuver, and so all of a sudden it's slightly rushed,
some of the timing comes out, and the mistake gets made,
the boat falls into the water, and the passes happen,
you know. So it's really tough, you know. And then

(09:39):
that combination between the.

Speaker 4 (09:42):
Coaches and the sailors.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
I think there's a lot of learning to be done
there because you know, you can imagine when you're in
the heat of the moment, in the heat of battle,
and you've got ten other boats on the course at
the moment seemed to be eleven. You've got a lot
going on, and then the coach is looking at the
staff is generally split between somebody looking at the data,
somebody focusing on the tactics, and then the heat coach. Right,

(10:07):
that's putting it all together, and just to figure out
what to communicate with the team at that moment, because
you can't tell them ten things.

Speaker 8 (10:16):
You know.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
It's like it's like when in the NBA when they
have a time out, the coach generally only you know,
the coaching staff now to get together and they say,
what are we going to tell them?

Speaker 4 (10:24):
Right?

Speaker 3 (10:25):
And then they tell them basically one thing, maybe two,
but usually one thing. And so I think there's a
lot of learning there is. Okay, what to tell them?
Do we tell them that there's more breeze on the
right hand side of the course. Do we tell them
that they're not using enough rather differential? Do we tell
them that they're moving the foil too much? Do we
tell them that they should be using more wing twist?

Speaker 6 (10:43):
You know?

Speaker 4 (10:43):
What is it? And so that's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
I think, you know absolutely And and amongst all that
you're throwing them onto tfoils as well, how did you
assess their ability to sell on those yesterday?

Speaker 3 (10:54):
Well, they're meant to be the best in the world,
so you know, we don't make it too easy for them.
But yeah, that you know, you've seen that the good
teams actually weren't aligned on how out of had a
because you've got the downforce on the on the rada
on the high side, you've got the forces on the
foilers and the forces on the wing, and there was

(11:16):
some debate over how to best utilize that. I think
the Australians and actually the Brazilian team locked onto it
the best first and then the other teams have been
playing catch up.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
So we've got your son in a bit later on
proud dad watching your son become a world champion in
the moth class.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
Yeah, he's he's done well. You know, he did really well.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
I mean, there's a group of young sailors up in
our small sailing club and Manly that we're.

Speaker 4 (11:46):
Really proud of. They've they've they're leading the world and.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
The moth class right now, and that's you know, there's
some really good sailors in that class. The Jagger Boutine
was one of them, for example, you know, so and
Sebastian Cyder and and so forth.

Speaker 4 (12:00):
There's some great sailors.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
In that class and and you know, so it's a
real feather in their cap that they've reached that sort
of level.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
And of course they are all looking at this league.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
To they probably believe now that they could step in
and drive. I don't think they probably could, but you
know that's their ambition.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Just to finish. Let's zoom ahead, but you already alluded
to it, the growth of sale GP. What's your visions
for us all for this event or this series five
years from now, let's say ten years from now.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
Well, I think we're going to add two more teams
for next season, so we'll go to and we will
go to a split fleet format then, so we'll go
to seven and seven and then probably two more teams
the following years eight and eight.

Speaker 4 (12:44):
We'll add more venues.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
We want to continue to grow an audience, so we're
up around twenty million plus dedicated viewership PAER event now
distributing to two hundred and twelve territories, you know, countries
and territories worldwide. So that's fantastic, you know, I mean,
I think the future looks really, really bright. Of course,

(13:10):
we want to keep developing the technology. So we've got
the light here of foils coming on stream. We've got
a really super cool propulsion system developed in conjunction with
Hamilton Jet here in New Zealand that will a little
bit like the driver assistance in Formula one, we're in
super light wind conditions that will help get the boats

(13:32):
up onto the foils, and obviously there will be rules
around that. It's a very controversial move in terms of
the sailing world, just like allowing the coaches to communicate
during racing that's not allowed in any other form of
the sport. We're not afraid of a bit of controversy.
So that's I think that's going to really move the
sport forward. And you know it's now becoming now the

(13:54):
athletes are starting to earn some decent money out of it.
We've up the prize money to twelve point eight million,
and we've got to every time we sign a global
part and we're just going to keep increasing that.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
So yeah, future looks for fantastic. Enjoying being an Auckland
you must.

Speaker 4 (14:07):
Be in two point eight million US.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
Let's let's get the currency right. You enjoying being an
auclean You must be enjoyed being here. It's great, Yeah,
it's I was.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
Really happy with the way the event was supported yesterday.
You know, there's great crowd there, great vibe in the
in the viaduct. I think local businesses were doing well
out of it, which is what we want to see. Yeah,
i'd like to We've already sort of started the talk
about coming back here long term, you know, which I
think is the real benefit for a venue if you can,

(14:37):
if we can put together a five year for example,
term and you come back every year. It's all very
well to have a great one off event, but if
you can, if you can come back a year after
year and build the brand equity and build the awareness,
then you will get more people traveling from Australia and
so forth, and even the US coming down here for
the event and then holidaying in New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (14:58):
Which is of course what it's all about.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
So so yeah, we're certainly keen to do that. We
wanted to try Auckland and see if it worked. It
clearly has, so yeah, we're up for you know, talking
about a long term arrangement.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Thanks for popping into, Russell ar it's a busy weekend
for you. Really appreciate your time. Thank you, Thanks Thanks
Russell Sir Russell Kotz there, chief executive of Sale GP,
joining us here on News Talks eb Our Live broadcast
from Sale GP Auckland. It's a twelve twenty one just
a correction to what I said at the top of
the show. There will be three fleet racers today and
a final, so talk about bang for your buck across

(15:32):
the weekend. Four races yesterday, three more fleet racers today
and a finals. That's a cracker. That is absolutely cracking.
Afternoon worth of worth of racing underway at four o'clock
this afternoon. If you were here yesterday, if you're heading
along today, I'd love to hear from you. O eight
one hundred and eighty ten eighty tell us about your experiences,

(15:53):
what you like the most. The coverage on TV was exceptional.
Some of the aerial shots looking at all of the
spectator craft just absolutely spectacular. So yeah, looking for more
of the same today. The wind certainly got up a
lot more today, so there'll be left win less wind shifts,
we're told today, but stronger breezes. So what will that

(16:16):
do to the sailing I guess we'll find out just
after four o'clock this afternoon, coming up twelve twenty three,
let's take a break. When we come back, we'll chat
to one of the race commentators, a well known voice
in sailing circles, former world champion and double Olympian race
commentator with sal GP Stevie Morrison. Weather's right after this, the.

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After four races on day one of sal GP's Auckland debut,
Australia tops the table than Emirates, Great Britain and Spain,
and after a slow start, the Black Foils recovered to
win the final fleet race of the day to sit
in fourth place. Let's bring in one of the voices
of sal GP, double Olympian, former World champion race commentator

(17:13):
Stevie Morrison. Stevie, thanks for joining us. What were the
big storylines for you on day one?

Speaker 5 (17:18):
I think it was just how hard it was getting
off the start line, and how maybe the fleet's evened
up a bit with Switzerland. You know, they did a
great reset halfway through day one, put in a good
performance and yeah, I don't think it was really a
story but it was. It's always impressive to see how
Pete and Blair and obviously Live and the rest of
the team managed to manage to deliver when they seem
like they're right got their back against the wall. So

(17:39):
they gave the fans what they wanted in the last race,
which must have been great to be there and is
always very impressive to see.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Yeah, they took their time to get going, didn't they
in the home event, But you're right, it was spectacular
when they won race four. How key might that be
Stevie hitting into day two In terms of the momentum
they'll get from it.

Speaker 5 (17:58):
I think it's got to be massive. They always seem
to come stronger towards the back end of the event,
and you know, they were clearly struggling with their start
in the first race. I don't know they what happened,
but they made a massive mistake. They were really late
for the start for themselves on the back foot, and
you know they seem to rely a bit heavily on
these I often refer to them as Harry Houdini type,
you know, magical escapes in races, and they lean on that.
But when they can get out in front, they're awesome

(18:19):
and it's got to be big, hasn't it. The momentum
Even for those guys, the pressure have been in front
of that huge crowd and the expectation on them must
be must be huge. So to deliver that, it's got
to take a little pressure off. And then they're going
to go into today ready to put on a show.
And they like the big breeze and it sounds like
it's pretty windy down there, which is which is pretty
great from our side.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yes, I can confirm looking out on White another harbor
then is absolutely absolutely the case. The Australian team obviously
smarting from not only not winning last season bad and
Dubai not even getting on the podium. There's time though,
first sick and and sick and yesterday. So Tom Slingsby's
got them back humming again. What do they do particularly well?

(19:00):
For you?

Speaker 5 (19:01):
I think they just seem quite settled on the foils.
I mean, you know, you've sort of got a straight
you know, Jason Waterhouse and against Leo Takahashi for me,
and Leo's clearly got all the talent in the world,
but he's he's not had as much time on the
tools as as Jason and despite the fact that they're
you know, they're all getting.

Speaker 10 (19:17):
New to these t foils.

Speaker 5 (19:18):
I think that's that's something that that Leo's got a
big bit of pressure on him against. I think they
sailed the boat very solid. Their maneuvers were better yesterday
than the Kiwis, and all through season four the Kiwis
were the standout team maneuver wise. So so can the
you know, what will the Kiwis have learned overnight and
and yeah, can they then match that consistency in the
maneuvers that the Australians had.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
What happened to the US boat yesterday?

Speaker 5 (19:42):
I don't know. I mean, it's a it's a big
talking point, isn't it. They've done very well at two events,
two events where there's been light winds and there's four
on board, and then when they've had the sort of
full crew on board, they just seem to make errors.
And whether that's because they're sort of strategically or tactically
a bit behind the bit behind the eight ball or
Q ballers, we'd stay and ask snooper over here in

(20:03):
UK and not seeing the you know, not seeing what's
about to come more or weather. It is a is
a pure mechanical thing on board. But they've had a
lot of practice over the winter, so I definitely think season,
you know, is playing twenty five season is a no
excuse environment for them. And yeah, they made handling errors.
Basically they sailed pretty well, but they made handling errors
and you get absolutely hammered when you do that.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
The Italians had, I guess an unhappy start to life
and do buy but they were a lot bitter yasterday.
What did you make of the Italian chist that I
in Auckland.

Speaker 5 (20:33):
Yeah, I was impressed. I mean they you know again,
they had their they had their French Kiwi Jason Saunders.
I think he went to the Rio games for the
New Zealand team, didn't he in the Natara And so
Jason comes with a lot of experience and and I
you know, being from Auckland, that can't that can't be
a disadvantage of having that little bit of local knowledge there.
So I think Jason coming on freed up Carl Langford

(20:55):
to have a little bit more bandwidth. And then you
know Riggiero Tita, two of them pit gold medals. I mean,
well you say that through the whole fleet, I mean,
what's great about sales GPS. There's just talent from top
to bottom, from the front of the boats at the
back of the boat. Everyone's you know, achieved so much,
so it's maybe almost a bit easy to just say
two of them bit gold medals. But for Riudgie, he's
going to have a lot of expectation, Jimmy Spittill staring

(21:16):
him down, and potentially, I guess can always come in
and drive at some stage, although I don't think he
wants to so. I think just that little bit of
experience with Jason Waterhouse meant that they had of the
two of the back three or back four positions had
a lot of experience and that made a massive difference.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Huge anticipation about the tfoils and how they would affect
things yesterday. How did you assist the way the teams
negotiated the extra challenge of the of the high speed
titanium tfoils.

Speaker 5 (21:44):
I was quite impressed. In general. I think the course
was very short, so we didn't necessarily see the full
potential of it. And what we did see was that
as I say that, I didn't think the maneuvers were
as good and clearly that these you know these high
speed foils, they take a slightly different bit of handling.
The crews have got more, more options, more functions to
play with on them. Not only can they move the
foils forward and backwards for to get higher or lower

(22:05):
in the water, they can also increase the potential power
in the boat with the sideways movement on them. And
there's people, if you look at the data, are using
it all very differently. So I was impressed with how
they got on, but I thought the standard that staffing
was down. They weren't judging the acceleration as well as
as we're perhaps used to seeing, and there were still
some errors in the maneuvers. But as Pete Berling alluded

(22:25):
to at the interview at the end of the show yesterday,
it was at the bottom end of the wind speed
for those foils, and today's going to be right in
the sweet spot. So I'm sort of fingers crossed, touching
wood hopeful maybe that we might see over one hundred
kilometers an hour. And you know which is, you know,
up in the fifty three fifty four knots of boat
speed range, which is just unbelievable. So eleven boats getting

(22:46):
close to that into mark one I think could be
some spectacle.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeah, remarkable stuff. What have you picked up over watching
this over a period of time, Stevie, is the really
important things when it comes to sailing. If fifties to
their optimum capability, I.

Speaker 5 (23:04):
Feel like it's a real communication game. I mean, obviously
your your your audience there will be well versed in
the in the tales of Pete Berlin Blair Chu. But
I think you know Live McKay in the background. She
does a she does a fantastic job of knitting the
coms together, and it's just that ability to paint the
picture round a race course and then have that almost
telepathic communication between Pete and Blair. It was obviously Andy

(23:26):
last year and they've had those two Americas Cups together,
three America's Cups together, sorry now, so they had that
experience and I just think it is that team ship
on board the boat that allows you to sail the
boat instinctively at a very high level and then react
to the changing dynamic that that a sailing race always
throws your way and you know, the best guys keep

(23:46):
winning and there's a reason for that. And I do
think it's that team experience. You know, the Australian team
is an absolute core. Even the Spanish with with Diego
and Florian who you know who came along to to
sort of take the forty nine of gold last summer.
It's just that same time in the boat and almost
a telepathic teamship that that you see with Pete and Blair,
you know, the Australian team and the Spanish that swear

(24:09):
the bars so high from those teams.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
All right, Well it's finished with a prediction for today.
I know it's probably fraught with perill try to predict anything,
particularly with the wind likely to get up today. Stevie,
what are you What are you thinking? What are you hoping?
What are you predicting for this afternoon?

Speaker 5 (24:24):
Well, I'm relatively confident of predicting the top three, so
I'm going to give you. I'm going to give you Australia,
New Zealand and Great Britain being in that final race,
and then I think it's whoever gets to mark one first.
But I feel if anyone's got a slight edge at
the moment, it's the Australians, which your audience is not
going to like to hear. But then you know, you
don't you don't. You don't back against it. You don't

(24:44):
bet against the Black Boils, do you. I mean, Pete
Pete in a three boat final is exceptional at the
starting Pete in the eleven boats set up at the moment,
I would you know. I feel that's that's the sort
of area where they can improve, which is which is
worrying for the rest of the fleet.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
All right, Absolutely loving the coverage, Stevie. Well, we'll look
forward to hearing more of your voice on the coverage
of this afternoon. But thank you so much for joining
across New Zealand to give us your insight.

Speaker 5 (25:09):
I really appreciate your time take out and yeah, I
hope it's a great show.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
I'm sure will be absolutely fantastic. Thank you, Stevie. Stevie
Morrison there, one of the voices of SALEGP, double Olympian himself,
formal World champion and one of the voices you'll hear
on the coverage of sal GP right across this season
and beyond. Twenty five to one. We're gonna take a break.
When we come back, we'll get you back inside the
Black Foils. Environment Strategist Live Mackay's who are going to

(25:36):
spend some time with us. I'm looking out at the
moment with a with a thousand yards stare at Whiteamatta Harbor,
wondering what's going to happen out there this afternoon. We
might get an insight into that when we come back
here at Newstalks EDB.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
Talking the sport on the field and on the water
live from Sale GP in the City of Sales. It's
Weekend Sport with Jason five and GJ. Gunnderholmes, New Zealand's
most trusted home builder News Talks v.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Yes Indeed, Sale GP and the City of Sales for Sure.
Day two today gets underway at four o'clock three fleet
races and then a three boat final joined by Black
Foils A strategist live Mackay. So we're looking out at
what to not to harbor there before Love, what's going
through your mind ahead of day two?

Speaker 11 (26:20):
Yeah, Hi, well thanks for having me on.

Speaker 12 (26:22):
Yeah, I mean this is the first time I'm seeing
the racecourse this morning, so yeah, just really looking if
it's behaving similar to yesterday or not, and it's definitely
a step up and breeze, so really just figuring that
out and we've got a few meetings in the next hour,
so figuring out as much as can on water and
then yeah, hopefully preparing our get to get out there.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
So the step up and breeze, what does that mean
for you?

Speaker 12 (26:48):
So we're on the same configuration as yesterday with the
twenty four meter wing, and the step up and breeze
will mean you know, in some parts it will make
it easier to say, we won't see it, there's patchy,
we won't see boats probably on and.

Speaker 11 (27:01):
Off the foil.

Speaker 12 (27:02):
But that extra power really means, you know, still learning
the tfoils and how they behave but yeah, airing on
the side of out of maneuvers and things just being
not conservative, but you know, knowing that there is you
need to cross a bit earlier, everything will happen a
bit quicker and you know those starts and reach marks

(27:23):
will come up super quick. So yeah, taking into that
all into account.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
How much did you learn about sailing on the tfoils yesterday?

Speaker 12 (27:31):
Yeah, Well, fortunately my role is a lot about looking
up and around the course. So yeah, I think you
definitely notice that you can do certain things that you
couldn't before and the opposite as well. So yeah, I
think everyone's just in that race to learn as quickly
as possible, and some boats are you know, a bit

(27:51):
further ahead than just really learning of that. But yeah,
I think you'll see it mostly today with the tfoils expected,
you know, a speed to increase. Hopefully it'll be exciting
to watch and hopefully some speed records out there.

Speaker 11 (28:05):
I mean you could see that today for sure.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Yeah, everyone, So, I guess I'm not sure if it's
a holy grail, but one hundred kilometers an hour out
there on those on those fours. I think teams have
done it in training eaven, they hasn't been done in competition.
But mem what's it like, eve exibbling along at a
high nineties? What's that like?

Speaker 12 (28:21):
Yeah, well we saw Monday this week we were on
the small wing and saw you know, twenty three twenty
six knots off takpoona so into the fifties and the
k kPr kph on true wind speed and that really
got us into our top speeds. It's full on, seriously
full on. I mean, I love it. But you've got

(28:43):
you know, the foils are quite loud. They're quite a
bit louder so in our helmets you can hear a
lot of quite a lot of screeching, it's you know,
and that can bring up the intensity if you can't
hear pete on the other side of the yacht. It's
you know, you're going at that speed and you think
you don't really know what's going to happen next. So yeah,
all that factors into really trying to get on the
same page before the start, before the race, and doing

(29:05):
as much preoper as poss so you can you can
really own the situations because you know, when you're going
at that speed, you've really got to attack it and
not you know, be submissive, otherwise you're really going to
end up in some bad situations.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
How important was the one in race four yesterday for you?

Speaker 12 (29:22):
Yeah, I think we had everyone on their toes. Yeah,
it was a bit of a I mean, good flow
start to the day, excuse one, but yeah, I mean
we're stoked that we got an extra race in there
and managed to take the win. I think learning more
and more and yeah, making sure we you know, have
the mentality of checking away at boats all throughout the

(29:44):
day but remaining you know, in that aggressive approach and
really took the advantage of that in race four.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
What did happen in Race one at the start.

Speaker 11 (29:53):
Great question.

Speaker 12 (29:55):
I was super shifty out there, so yeah, we just
got a bit behind on the right shift and ended
up a bit low into the approach. But yeah, we
were fortunate to you know, always see the opportunities throughout
the race. And I think that's something Pete does really well.
But we do, you know well as a team obviously
is see you know, there's so many passing lanes out there,

(30:16):
and just always moving on what's next step in, what's
the next gap in the fleet. So yeah, hopefully we'll
make it a bit easier out there today.

Speaker 11 (30:28):
Yeah, it's incredible racing.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Well because from that position, you know, slow to the
stat you've still got up to fourth in that race.
You talk about passing lanes, do you still back yourselves
as a team even if you do have a slightly
less impressive start than you would like to make your
way through the field one hundred percent?

Speaker 11 (30:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (30:45):
I think given that there's eleven boats in the fleet,
and because it's so shifty, so gusty, and we saw
big larles out there yesterday people coming off the foil,
that means there's you know, huge opportunities for passing lanes.
I think we always see those one or two boats
get around the reach mark and they just get off,
and so obviously the start is huge. But never for

(31:09):
one moment do you ever go around the reach mark
and be like, okay, we're eleventh in this race.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Never.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Yeah, because I heard a bit of comms and I
might have misheard, but it's I heard Peter say, oh,
we've picked up a point there, which obviously means overtaking
one more boat, even if it's quite laid on, even
the difference between fifth and sixth, can over you know,
even over an event, can that be quite significant? You know,
just just going past one or two, even right near
the end of a race.

Speaker 11 (31:33):
Yeah, massive.

Speaker 12 (31:35):
We always see every point counts and we really see that.
I mean the structure of sale GP and just getting
into the top three is massive and you can see that.
You know, you can really lose the event on a Saturday,
but you just need to be within reaching distance of
that top three. So yeah, we definitely you know, I
didn't have our best day yesterday, but we're actually sitting

(31:57):
in a reasonable position going into today. So yeah, even recovery,
you know, taking all those points from yesterday, it was
a good day.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
You were telling me before we came on here that
you're up quite late last night and meetings and things
like that. I guess we assume that, you know, once
racing finishes, you pack up, you go and have a
beer or whatever it is, and get your head down.
But that's not the case. Meetings, you know what crunching data,
that sort of thing. What does that involve?

Speaker 12 (32:22):
Yeah, I think each team has a different approach to
how they use their time. But for us, we break
out and as a team and really try and attack
each area. And I mean, we've got such limited time
through a weekend, you don't want to chase yourself in circles.
But for us last night we wanted to review that

(32:44):
starting straight away, and then we come back again in
the morning after you kind of sleep on it and
look at a few different things individually. And we really
think we all have such different strengths and collectively work
really well together. So really trying to leverage leverage that.
And you know, as we discuss things and meetings, we
get on the same page. So you know, as I

(33:05):
said earlier, the intensity of the racing is high and
you have such minimal time to make decisions and react.
So really the more we talk on land, and the
more cohesion we have, the better we are.

Speaker 11 (33:20):
On the water.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
We just had Stevie Morrison race commentator on before you
came on the air, and he talked about the way
that you knit the communications together on the Black Foil's boat.
Is that something that you pride yourself on.

Speaker 12 (33:33):
Yeah, I mean for me, in the last couple of years,
I've learned so much from the team and really in
the last few months I've seen that that's where I
should lean into the communication side. There is my role,
but also communication is just becoming more and more important
with the more boats and the fleet, you know, the

(33:54):
higher speed. So yeah, I'm really trying to lean into
that area.

Speaker 11 (33:59):
And it's quite.

Speaker 12 (34:00):
A you know, a big space to learn and you know,
you have your your on your better days and so
really trying to create that consistency and.

Speaker 11 (34:12):
Platform for the team.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Do you aspire to drive?

Speaker 11 (34:16):
Yeah, I mean I.

Speaker 12 (34:17):
Love I love Holming, but in no way do I
want to push Pete or anything.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
I don't think the two things have to be you know,
they don't have to. They one doesn't have to cause
the other. Have you heard a go with driving them?

Speaker 5 (34:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (34:31):
Yeah, I've Actually it's spent quite a lot of time
on the helm. We did in a really cool camp
in Dubai and November for there was eighteen female sailors
in that and I drove the two days and loved it.

Speaker 11 (34:44):
Had a bit of.

Speaker 12 (34:45):
Driving here this week and yeah, I think I do
love it and it really the strategists in the home
role really blended nicely to each other. So yeah, I'm
spending a lot more time with p actually learning from
him and really you know, being a solid backup because
you know, the racing is pretty full on and physically

(35:06):
you know, there's more and more injuries happening, so really
trying as a team to.

Speaker 11 (35:11):
Build that back up and have that there. So yeah,
really into.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
It absolutely when I sall GP's vision is to have
two full time crew members on every female crew members
on every boat. Do you feel like a like a trailblazer,
like a role model? I mean you're operating at such
a high level. You know, I often say you can't
be it unless you can see it. Do you feel
a responsibility to I guess see have other young female

(35:38):
sellers see you in action.

Speaker 12 (35:40):
I wouldn't say I feel a responsibility, but I definitely
feel very passionately about sharing what there is happening at
the top of the sport for people to you know
dream and I you know get asked quite often, you know,
how did I get into it?

Speaker 11 (36:00):
How they always aspired to be here?

Speaker 12 (36:01):
And yeah, unfortunately it's you know, when I was eighteen,
I never thought that professional sailing was a career, and
one hundred percent I would have probably done more at eighteen,
you know, dug into it more and everything if I
knew it was possible. So I just really want to
share that there's a lot of change happening at the
top of our sport and that you know there will

(36:24):
opportunities are opening up more and more. But you know,
it's the experience you get when you're fifteen, sixteen, seventeen
that will really bring you into this level. So yeah,
just really trying to share that with girls so that
they can they know that and they can you know,
really lean into it.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
So good. Do you still get nervous, right.

Speaker 12 (36:44):
That's a great question. Actually, I not so much. I
definitely feel the adrenaline, you know, it's a massive adrenaline
every time we go on the water, but I really
feel quite calm now. Going into events, I really feel
like quite insular. I really just think we've got so
many processes and structures that I'm able to really focus

(37:06):
on my role, and we do so much prep that
it actually makes me quite excited about the weekend.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Yeah, well we're pretty excited about today looking out there.
So just to finish, what should we expect when racing
gets underway at four o'clock this afternoon in terms of
you've got the eleven boats all going at it.

Speaker 12 (37:26):
Oh, I think you'll be faster than yesterday to be honest,
but yeah, I think it's going to be amazing. It's
setting out to be an awesome racetrack and yeah, I
just can't believe the crowds and everyone out there. So yeah,
I think it'd be an amazing, amazing show.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Yep, they're set to flock and again from well before
four o'clock this afternoon. Love, great to get your insight.
Thanks for stopping in on race day. All the best
this afternoon and for the rest of the season.

Speaker 11 (37:52):
No, thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
It's Love. MacKaye strategist with the Black Foils, who will
be on the start line with the ten other boats
from four o'clock this afternoon three fleet racers and then
a three boat final which well, I think we all
can probably agree we'd love to see the black foils
in and will I get the feeling that will be
the scenario we find ourselves in. Don't want to attempt
too much fate. We're back in a second News Talks

(38:14):
HEAB nine and a half away from one.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
Making waves on the airwaves live at sale GP in
the City of Sales. It's Weekend Sport with Jason Vine
Youth Talks EDB.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
Coming up six to one on News Talks HEB as
Weekend Sport comes to you live from sal GP overlooking
White am of Harbor. The waters are a bit choppy.
That's probably because there are a few boats going through
them at the moment, but the breezes are getting up.
Spectacular sailing on the agenda from four o'clock this afternoon,
we've got more sale GP content for you on the show.
Obviously a bit later on today after two o'clock, Jimmy

(38:48):
Spittle is with us, one of the most iconic names
in sailing, the Australian who was the founder and CEO
now of the Italy sal GP team. He was with
the US team up until midway through last season, but
then a change of ownership meant that he was the
man who founded the Italy sale GP team. They had

(39:09):
a challenging start to life in Dubai, but had a
really good day yesterday, including a couple of podium finishers
two thirds and two sevenths for Italy yesterday. So how
have they got up to speed so quickly? Jimmy Spitzel
after two o'clock will also chat to Hannah Mills, who
is a strategist with the Emirates Great Britain team, the
most successful female sailing Olympian of all time and Andy Maloney.

(39:33):
Really looking forward to chatting to Andy Maloney, who we
think about as being synonymous, don't we with sailing in
New Zealand the amount of time he spent alongside Peter
Berling and Blair Chuke and sale GP in America's Cup.
But at the start of this season he basically transferred
across to another startup team, the Brazilian team. We spoke

(39:53):
to their team owner yesterday, Alan Adler. He talked in
glowing terms about Andy Maloney and how much of a
boost it has been to the startup team to have
a man of such expertise aboard so well, I want
to talk about the motivation for the change, but also
how it is dropping into a team which is basically
starting up, compared to a team that's been together for

(40:15):
so long, where a lot of the communication is probably
second nature and done through telepathy more than anything else.
Sandy Maloney's on the show That's All after two o'clock.
After one, David Ball is in studio with me. At
the start of this week his time at Wellington Phoenix
Football Club came to an end five and a half years.
He's been at the club. He had half a left

(40:36):
on his contract, but earlier this week it was revealed
that that contract would be terminated by mutual consent. What
led to that, what were the circumstances behind it, and
how does David Ball reflect on his time at Wellington
Phoenix Football Club. He's with us straight after the one
o'clock news James mcconey in the regular Sunday slot for
him of around one forty five, and we'll also talk

(40:59):
to a world champion with the surname Coots, but not
Sir Russell. No, we've had him on already. We've done
Sir Russell. It's son Matthias Coots, who earlier this month
claimed the Moth World Championship at Manly Sailing Club in Auckland,
dominating the six day event, leading from start to finish
and even overcoming some quite serious damage to his boat

(41:23):
to be the first New Zealander to claim that world
championship title since Peter Berling did it in twenty fifteen.
So Matthias Coots is with us after one o'clock as well,
plenty more to come. One o'clock news is next year
at Newstalks heb.

Speaker 9 (41:36):
It's Formula one on the water.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
It's fast, it's furious, and it's happening on Auton's way
to Mata Harbor live from the Sale GV Village in
the City of Sales. It's Weekend Sport with Jason Prize
on your home of Sports, Newstalks Envy.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Yeah, welcome back, well, welcome in as the case may be.
Seven past one. I'm Jason Pine. This is Weekend Sport
coming to your live from su gp Auckland, just under
three hours away from action getting under wage. Just to confirm,
there'll be three more fleet races today. Points all totaled
up and then the top three votes will sail a
winner takes All Grand final. Currently it's Australia that leads

(42:15):
from Great Britain and Spain. The Blackfoil is tucked into
fourth place, so plenty of time for them to get
into the top three positions for the one It Takes
All final. We'll have more sale GP for you after
two o'clock. Jimmy Spittle is on the show with us,
so to Andy Maloney and also Hannah Mills out of
the Great Britain team. Your calls and correspondence continue to

(42:36):
be welcomed. O eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
our phone number nine two nine two if you would
like to send us a text or emails them to
me Jason at newstalk sadbat dot co dot nz. This
hour James mcconey in his regular slot. We're also going
to chat to a world champion in the moth class.
Mattheus Coots claimed the Moth World Championship at Manly Sailing

(43:00):
Club in Auckland a matter of a week to ten
days ago. He's going to tell us all about that.
Going to start this out with football. At the start
of last week, the curtain came down on the Wellington
Phoenix Football career of English striker David Ball. After one
hundred and twenty four games across five and a half
seasons with the club, his contract was terminated by mutual

(43:22):
consent with half a season still left to run on it.
He leaves though as a true legend of the Phoenix
Football Club and David ballers with us now. David, thanks
for joining us on Weekend Sport. Can you remember, first
of all arriving in Wellington ahead of the twenty nineteen
twenty twenty A League season.

Speaker 10 (43:42):
Yeah, one hundred percent. It comes back to me really quickly. Actually.

Speaker 6 (43:46):
I remember it was a bit of a will wind
that came in on a plane on a wet, windy Wellington.
Nate looked across and the houses a bit different to
the UK and was a bit of strange.

Speaker 10 (43:58):
Went to the hotel in the dark, so I didn't
really see.

Speaker 6 (44:00):
Anything, and then I woke up that morning really early
jet lag, I think six o'clock in the morning. I
didn't sleep all night and I walked out and it
was just the crisp Wellington day flat as anything, and
I remember going out walking onto the waterfront and thinking

(44:21):
I think we'll be all right. Yeah, I like it,
you know, I just had this really weird sensation, and
especially coming all the way from the UK, I didn't
know what to expect. But and then you know, here
I am five and a half years later.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Yeah, incredible, And I want to talk specifics with you
as well, but then general terms, how do you reflect
on your time as a Wellington Phoenix player.

Speaker 6 (44:45):
I feel like, considering everything the club's actually been through
through the five and a half year period, the two
years through COVID, I've lived in five different houses. You know,
my wife wasn't really happy about that, but we dug
in through that time. You know, there were times where
we were a bit vulnerable as a family, but we

(45:08):
were stuck in because you know, I enjoyed playing football here.

Speaker 10 (45:13):
But I look at it as.

Speaker 6 (45:16):
Through all that to be able to finish in the
top six four out of us five years, two of
those years being a second finish and a third finish,
and the year that we actually missed out, we were
playing some of our best stuff and we just with
all this. Obviously we missed that penalty up at against Perth.

(45:38):
We the way we were playing at that moment in time.

Speaker 10 (45:41):
We were good. We were good to go into the
into the playoffs.

Speaker 6 (45:44):
So I've also played with amazing some amazing lads that
have gone on. The young ones have gone on to
great things. I've played with some older ones that have
been on too great things. And I feel like I've
always been consistent with any role that have been asked
in the football club to play, I've played it and
been consistent with the way I am as a person,

(46:06):
and I've always given everything I can to each player
and that i've played with, given life and energy to them.
And also then I've tried to be the best, the
best version of what I can be in those positions
and what's best for the team to be successful. And
I feel like walking away with all those parts of

(46:30):
history that the club had before I left and being
part of the new bit, I think that there's a
lot of strength in in that, and you know, someone else,
another player and another team. Now I've got to go
on to to to do all those things. So I'm
very proud. The club looks very different now than it
than it did when I first came, and.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
It looks bitter well, well, I think you've you've you're
living on a bit of place. Yeah, then you feel it,
and that's all anybody can ask.

Speaker 6 (46:57):
My last game, for instance, was a packed out sky
Stadium thirty five thousand one and a sphere to see
see parents there that I know as well from Wellington
that didn't even like football when I first came to Wellington.
You know, I've got so many friends who fell in
love with football because their kids were kids friends of
mine that now they play football all the time. You know,

(47:19):
I've had been able to touch some some of the
hearts of the parents to actually come and come come
to the games and be part of Wellington Phoenix and
see all them just going crazy in the crowd, and
to create that moment to finish as that as me
and my last moment is pretty pretty insane.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Are you? Are you willing to share with that's what's
happened in the last few months.

Speaker 10 (47:45):
Yeah, I think ultimately.

Speaker 6 (47:49):
It's you know, a discussion was had at the start
of the season that you know beyond I think chee.
If you knew that I wanted to play beyond the
year of my contract, you know that I've made that
pretty clear and you know over the past few years,
then I want to tried to get to thirty seven
playing professional football, because that's twenty years in a game.

Speaker 10 (48:10):
And then he had a discussion.

Speaker 6 (48:12):
With me that, you know, the way he's going forward
in his planning past that year probably wouldn't have me
involved in it.

Speaker 10 (48:21):
I was, you know, obviously ultimately quite upset.

Speaker 6 (48:25):
But when I mean upset, I mean upset is in
the fact that I knew that my time at the
Phoenix will probably end at the end of the season, all.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
Right, So he was talking about nips beyond this current season.

Speaker 6 (48:37):
Yeah, yeah, so you know, but the football in me said, look,
he's the boss.

Speaker 10 (48:45):
He makes the decisions.

Speaker 6 (48:45):
I can't change that, and ultimately he's going to do
what's best for him moving forward as well, and you
know I respected that. So from on that that from
that position, you know, I had a herne operation in
the summer. I was playing with Hernie for probably the
last two or three months of last season that I
thought was os thes pubis. So I was when I

(49:10):
came back into preseason, I just wasn't. I wasn't right physically,
My body wasn't wasn't right, and I was when I
was shooting the ball or running, I was wincing.

Speaker 10 (49:19):
It was really bad.

Speaker 6 (49:21):
So when seeing the doctor got that done, got the
herne operation, which and then I thought, on new lease
of life, to be honest with you, my body, for
all of a sudden, felt felt really good again. I
knew that I'd only played I think sixty minutes against
Newcastle Jets and the twenty minutes against Central Coast. That
was eighteen minutes going into the season. It was nowhere

(49:42):
near enough for the way I like to play in
the and the loads that I need.

Speaker 10 (49:46):
So we had a discussion.

Speaker 6 (49:48):
He rang me up after the Western United game and
we decided that it would be best for me to
go and play some games in the reserves. I was
totally understanding of that, and he then I went and
did that. I enjoyed that time going down now playing
the young lads as well and bring me experience, but

(50:08):
also knew I had to get up to the minutes
and then and the loads. So I did as many
as I could to get in the ninety minutes because
I knew that I wanted to come into the team.
If I was going to come into the team and
make an impact. Unfortunately, that was that.

Speaker 10 (50:22):
That was that was it. You know, I trained every day.
I was a good professional. The manager. You know, Chief,
he hair picks the team at the end of the day,
does what's best for him.

Speaker 6 (50:34):
And you know, I have to you respect that as
a player when you've played for so many time and
if you're not if you're not in his plans, you're
just not in his plans. And you know, I've I've
not missed a training session for four months now and
working really hard to and just I've been the same person.
I've been trying to help and in the background and

(50:55):
with the young lads and I've been but ultimately it's
just they didn't materialize into trying to help the team.

Speaker 10 (51:01):
And and that's where we're at.

Speaker 6 (51:04):
I'm sure we'll me and she go and have a
conversation and see where the breakdown was.

Speaker 10 (51:09):
But he.

Speaker 6 (51:12):
I do respect Chief as a person. I've been with
him for five years. He's he's a good guy.

Speaker 10 (51:20):
He's done.

Speaker 6 (51:22):
He's done some good thing, amazing things last season as
well with with a squad and stuff like that. So
you know, ultimately have to respect the manager. And you know,
I always say that the manager and the clubs are
two different things. They picked the team ultimately, and as
a player, you've got to respect that and do everything
you can possibly to get yourself back in and I

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can say I did I did that. And you know,
the club's been fantastic with me from day once walk
through the door. They've been They've been really open, honest,
and you know, I couldn't thank them enough as well
with the the the way they've they've parted my ways
with me, they've been fantastic.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
You could easily have have dropped your lub. I'm sure
other players and as similar as position have done so,
but you keept on turning up. You trained every day
and on top of that, you continue to help the
younger players and the team who work it in games. Now,
there's a famous photo of Luke Brooksmith coming out for
his home debut and and the first guy he comes
over to to, you know, to get reassurance from before

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the game starts as you what is it you know
that drives you to continue to want to help the
others and the football team even when things aren't going
your way necessarily.

Speaker 6 (52:36):
You've just got to You've got to look at it
the way like I said before, If if you you've
got to show those young ones that this is how
it is to be professional footballer. No matter the position
you are in or the vulnerability that you're in of
feeling and you know, sort of that helpless position, you
can always use your energy differently. And I felt using

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my energy to guide myself through the process of this
was to continue to do what I love doing, and
that's helping the younger one.

Speaker 10 (53:06):
And Luke's no different.

Speaker 6 (53:08):
You know, we we stay out, we do finishing after
after after some of the sessions, we go through stuff
that it can improve.

Speaker 10 (53:15):
Same with Luke's uppick.

Speaker 6 (53:19):
Saying with Gabby, you know, these are all lads of
trying to to help. I think saying goodbye to them
the other day was actually the hardest thing. I got
a bit upset saying goodbye to those lads. They've got
a bit upset as well. You know, I've spent a
lot of time with trying to use use my time
of not being playing on a pitch in a in

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a better way, and I felt like the best way
to do that was was to help those lads, because
ultimately I want no matter what, I want the team
to do well. I'm a I'll be a Phoenix fan
now my kids are Phoenix fans. I want the team
to do well and I'll be celebrating the goals just
like a fan.

Speaker 10 (53:59):
So yeah, that's that's the best I can put it
by here.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
On the field. You were, from my recollection anyway, the
quickest to one hundred games for the team in terms
of from the moment you walked in the door until
you walked out for your hundredth game, ultra consistent. I
think ninety five of your first one hundred games were starts.
And then you look at the numbers and apart from

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your goals, the assists are the thing that stands out
most to me, the way you linked up play and
it might not have even been the assist, but sometimes
you talk about the assist to the assist and Vinie
Leah I used to get used to never get stats
in his favor, but he was often the guy who
gave the board to the guy who set the goal up.
How much of your game is about making other players

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around you better?

Speaker 10 (54:49):
Oh that's if you speak to anyone who played with
me in England that did say the same thing.

Speaker 6 (54:52):
You know, I was always a pretty consistent eight and
nine goals a season in the UK and then maybe
twelve in assists. That got more assists than I would goals.
To a certain extent, I feel like that's you know,
I think when Off he's saying, I think that's what
he brought me in for, because he said to me.
I remember him saying to me, don't worry, I'm bringing
in number nine with you.

Speaker 10 (55:12):
You know what I mean. And that was Hoops, So
so he knew my game.

Speaker 6 (55:16):
He knew my versatility to be able to play across
that front four in different systems deeper up the front,
and I think that's why we worked so well together
with with Wuffy as well. And the part of my
game has always been that I think every lad who's
probably played up front with me has always scored loads

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of goals. You look at Hoops scored double figures, Thomas
scored double figures as a wider scored double figures.

Speaker 10 (55:42):
Costa only to.

Speaker 6 (55:44):
An extent played up front with me, And you know,
I've always been a good foil and there's nothing wrong
with that. I get a lot out of bringing people
into the game, connecting the play, looking forward, looking forward
to them forward passes. Like you said, I probably if
I if we did we did the past of the pass,
I'd probably be on probably fifty sixty, do you know

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what I mean? So I never came as an out
and out goalscorer. I can pretty be honest and say that.
And all my stuff has been from open play as well.
You know, it's not been from set players or anything
like that. It's all been from open play. So you know,
I walk away happy with the fact that, yeah, you know,
you probably got more. I've got more assistant goals and

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that is me as a player.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
So yeah, so what now, what what is next?

Speaker 6 (56:31):
Look, I feel really good, really really fit. Like I said,
I've been working, working really hard. I've not I've not
put my foot off the gas. So you know, I'm
a fit player who thinks that there's you know, I'm
an asset to someone at this moment in time to
the end of the season or whatever that may be.

Speaker 10 (56:48):
So I'm gonna you know, my wife's been through.

Speaker 6 (56:53):
A lot, We've been through a lot at the moment
with with a family member who's who's not been well
back in the UK, so we've we might look to
to go home to to see him.

Speaker 10 (57:03):
So you know, this process is has been.

Speaker 6 (57:08):
It's been a tough, tough decision and one that's not
been made lightly at all, but ultimately I think it's
the best for both parties. And you know, it's just
it's just it's you know, I'm very just a sad,
sad time and sad sad day to to to end

(57:28):
like this. You know if everyone wise say they have
different in visions of where you finish your time at
the club. And you know, I wish that I was
walking out with my boys on the last day and
way of giving a wave to everyone, But you know,
football is a football is a different injuries industry. Things
change very quickly and and I think that's this is
one of them, one of them situations.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
And just to Finishal, I asked you this question at
the press conference, but I'll ask it again. How would
you like to be remembered by Wellington Phoenix fans?

Speaker 6 (57:57):
Oh energetic, good person, someone who always who always stay
behind to sign an autograph? I have a minute with people,
someone who left the club and in a better way

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in someone that they enjoyed watching and being.

Speaker 10 (58:19):
Part of their football club.

Speaker 6 (58:20):
Because there's been so many good people I've met in
this country and met this football club, volunteers, staff players.
I just want to be remembered as a good football
and on a good person.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
I've been watching this team since two thousand and seven.
I've seen a lot of games and a lot of
Phoenix footballers and in your legacy is as well and
truly secure. BALLI congratulations on a tremendous career at this
football club. Think you for all the joy that you
gave to fans over the last five and a half years.
Wish you and the family or the beast for whatever
the future might hold.

Speaker 10 (58:57):
Thanks pay thanks mate, no.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
Thank you, Bully. David Ball joining us there on News
Talks he'd be one twenty four it is. We're going
to take a break when we can. I'm back. We'll
get back on the water as it were, and welcome
in recently crowned moth world champion Matteas Coots. He's with
us right after.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
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Speaker 2 (59:31):
One twenty seven on News Talks AIRB great to welcome
in a world champion now earlier this month, nineteen year
old Matteas Coots claimed the Moth World Championship at Manly
Sailing Club in Auckland, dominating the six day event, leading
from start to finish, holding off a star started lineup
featuring some of the world's best sailors from various Olympic
classes and fourteen different nations. Matteas Coots is the first

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New Zealand salor to claim the World Championship title in
this class since Peter Burling did it back in twenty fifteen.
Bats Katz joins us, congratulations. I know you said after
the regatti you're a bit lost for word, but with
a few days to think about it and ruminate on it,
how do you reflect on the regatta that made your
world champion?

Speaker 13 (01:00:14):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, thanks for welcoming out.

Speaker 4 (01:00:16):
It was pretty cool.

Speaker 13 (01:00:17):
I mean, you know, obviously a dream of mine. Didn't
really expect to achieve it though soon.

Speaker 4 (01:00:23):
It's pretty cool.

Speaker 14 (01:00:25):
Yeah, it was a fantastic event over the six days
we had. You know, we had grape breeze, very windy
to start it off, and then sort of finished off
with a couple of line of those, so it was
good to have a bit of a mix.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Yeah, So explain the Moth class to us describe the
boat that you're sailing in this class.

Speaker 14 (01:00:42):
So the Moth class is actually unlike a lot of
the Olympic classes where they are what we call one design,
which is effectively supposed to be the same equipment across
across all boats. The Moth class there is various different
equipment that you can select from different manufacturers, and you're
pretty much trying to select the equipment that best works,

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works best for you effectively.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
Yeah, right, And it's a failing it's a falling boat.

Speaker 14 (01:01:05):
It is a failing boat like these sal gp boat.
It's a lot different to them obviously.

Speaker 13 (01:01:09):
But yes, they are foiling as well.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Yes, So what does it take to sail them?

Speaker 4 (01:01:15):
Well, it's tricky.

Speaker 14 (01:01:18):
I mean I've actually been lucky enough to sail them
for probably five or six years now, so I got
a bit of experience in the boat. I mean, yeah,
Unlike usual sailing boats, these boats are faster than the.

Speaker 13 (01:01:32):
Wind speed, so.

Speaker 14 (01:01:34):
Down when you have to sail at sort of angles
to the wind to continue the boat on the foils,
and obviously up one that is the same as well.

Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
But yeah, they are very tricky technical boats.

Speaker 14 (01:01:47):
There's a lot going on with the foils, and we
have also a wand what we call which sticks out
the very front of the boat and that effectively hits
the water and pretty much controls how high out of.

Speaker 13 (01:02:01):
The water you foil the boat on the on the
on the foils.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
Yeah, it was home conditions obviously for you. How helpful
was that being used to what you were facing at
the World Champs.

Speaker 13 (01:02:13):
Yeah for sure.

Speaker 14 (01:02:13):
I mean it's a big advantage definitely to have home waters.
You know, it makes it it makes it a little
bit easier when you're when you're sailing against you know,
such such good sailors, and yeah, it was, it was
definitely helpful for us.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Yeah, so across the event, as I said, at the top,
you were, you were pretty dominant, you left from start
to finish.

Speaker 5 (01:02:34):
Was that?

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
I guess it's always the plan, But were you pleasantly
surprised that that it went so well for you right
from the start?

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:02:41):
I think so.

Speaker 14 (01:02:42):
I mean again I sort of I sort of thought
that it definitely helped me to have windy, windy breeze
to start the event, because as as I said, in
previous days, you know, like a lot of these top
sailors didn't have as much time in.

Speaker 13 (01:02:59):
The boats as what as what we as what.

Speaker 14 (01:03:02):
I sort of had this past year. So it was
definitely an advantage for for me to get that extra
time over them and then have windy conditions, because in
windy conditions what we call boat handling, so how you
handle the boat and do maneuvers so tacks through the
wind and then gives down one can be quite difficult

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when it's windy like that. So having extra time in
the boat makes it makes it quite a quite a
lot of an advantage, makes it a bit easier when
you get that time and hours up.

Speaker 7 (01:03:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
Absolutely, so nine qualifying races and then eight gold Fleet racers,
all going very well on the qualifying racers. But I
understand a hit of the gold Fleet races, you suffered
some damage to your boat. Can you tell us about that?

Speaker 14 (01:03:43):
Yes, So I hit an object in the water when
I was out practicing before one of the starts, and
I was out sort of thirty minutes before the first
race of the gold Fleet and you hit the object,
managed to break the front floor to the main foil,
and then the rudder force the one that you steal

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with as well, and orso managed to rip what's called
the gantry which the rudderfoil connects on to rip.

Speaker 4 (01:04:11):
A big hole straight through that.

Speaker 14 (01:04:13):
So yeah, I managed to get the what did your hat?
I actually hit a shark in the water.

Speaker 13 (01:04:20):
I hit a.

Speaker 14 (01:04:20):
Shark, So yeah, not so good.

Speaker 13 (01:04:25):
Not so good obviously, But yeah, we.

Speaker 14 (01:04:30):
Managed to get the boat back to shore and change
a couple of stuff and with the help of the
help of a couple of my support support members, my
family members. Yeah, I managed to get the boat back
on the water for race too.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
Yeah, that's because that sounds significant, that damage. Did you
think to yourself when it happened and you were surveying it,
you're taking it back to sure that that might be it?
You might be done for the regatta.

Speaker 14 (01:04:52):
Yes, to be honest, I did exactly. Yeah, I thought
my regatta was pretty much over, so I was. I
was pretty worried at that point. And yeah, pretty much
only managed to just make it out to the second
race as well, with probably like four minutes before the
second race actually started, which isn't a lot of time.
But yeah, it was just fortunate to make it back out.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
So if you hadn't made it for the second race,
because can you drop one?

Speaker 7 (01:05:14):
Is that right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
Is that how it works?

Speaker 14 (01:05:15):
So it depends on the number of races that you
actually complete for the series. So we managed to end
up completing seventeen races for the.

Speaker 4 (01:05:21):
Serious, so we ended up getting to drop three.

Speaker 14 (01:05:23):
So usually in a series, after six races you get
to drop one, and then after eleven races you drop two,
and then after fifteen races you'll drop three. Yeah, so
definitely not ideal to have a to have a missed race,
but yeah, yeah, it allows you to have a bit
of damage or something like that.

Speaker 4 (01:05:43):
Does it back out?

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Is hitting sharks common?

Speaker 14 (01:05:46):
No, it's not very common at all. That was it
was not It's not common at all.

Speaker 7 (01:05:53):
Then.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
How much of an influence has your dad been on you?

Speaker 14 (01:05:58):
I think a lot, I think I I think my
dad and actually, well my whole family for sure, But
I always sort of say my dad and actually my
brother was a big influence for me growing up.

Speaker 6 (01:06:09):
My brother.

Speaker 13 (01:06:11):
I've said it before.

Speaker 14 (01:06:12):
He actually because Dad was away a lot overseas, you know,
obviously a big idol and you know, but yeah, my
brother was there the whole time when I was growing up,
and yeah, he pretty much made me. I always seat
of say, not as much of a not as much
as a wimpaus I think I would have been so,
which is pretty useful.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
That's the job of a big brother does to make
sure the younger brothers are not WIMPs. It's part of
the job, part of the job. Did you I mean
it seems obvious in your family with your dad, Sir
Russell Coots, that you would go into sailing, did it?
But did you ever feel any pressure to do so?

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:06:50):
Not really, not really.

Speaker 14 (01:06:51):
I mean, obviously there's there's some things that are a
little bit different in that situation, but no, not so much.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
Do you ever feel any pressure from the surname?

Speaker 4 (01:07:01):
Nah, a little bit.

Speaker 14 (01:07:02):
I mean it just depends at times, you know, he
does the track a bit more attention, But no, not
too much, to be honest.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
You're still got to sail well though, don't matter what
your name is, You've still got to get out there
and sail. So I get I'd see that. The next
month World Championship comes around pretty quickly. It's in Italy
in the middle of this year. So are you going
to be able to defend.

Speaker 13 (01:07:24):
I'm hoping to. Yeah, Italy will be.

Speaker 14 (01:07:27):
It'll be great, you know, because yeah, as you said
such a short period because they always change it between
the Northern Hemisphere and the summit Southern hemisphere each year,
so that's why you sometimes get it so close together
like that, only a six month period. And yeah, Italy
is going to be great. You know, we'll have sort
of a round. I think there's a cap number of
boats of three hundred boats. So last World Championships they

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had there and I believe it was twenty twenty one,
they had two hundred and fifty votes, and I think
they're expecting somewhere similar to that this coming time. Maybe
turner in sixty turning and seventy competitive boats.

Speaker 13 (01:08:01):
Well, yeah, competitive votes.

Speaker 14 (01:08:03):
But since the moth classes is such an evolving, changing class,
there are differences in boats, and the newer boats are
generally faster.

Speaker 13 (01:08:12):
So yeah, incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
And what conditions will you face over there? Will they?
Have you been able to get a gauge whether they'll
be similar to here, I mean you won't have the
familiarity with it, but any idea what the conditions will
be like?

Speaker 14 (01:08:23):
Yeah, I mean I've been lucky to say there a
couple of times, so I do have a little bit
of a gauge on what the conditions will be like ten.
You tend to have quite a light afternoon bruise, but
quite a windy morning bruise. So it depends on whether
or not they say in the morning or the afternoon.
Such a cool place to sail, though, it's amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
And the forty nine er is your other focus over
the next little while. Tell us about what lies ahead
of you in the forty nine er.

Speaker 4 (01:08:49):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 14 (01:08:50):
At the moment, I'm actually trying to find a new
partner for the forty niner class because it's a two
person boat. But once I do that, I'll be back
into training for that. And yeah, training towards the twenty
twenty eight Olympics for me.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
Yeah, that's so, that's that's the that's the goal that
sits there at the moment. Yes, the next game for sure?
Are you are you? Are you ambitious?

Speaker 13 (01:09:14):
Ambitious?

Speaker 7 (01:09:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:09:15):
Yeah, I'm definitely ambitious, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
Yeah, yep, have you have you been on one of
these fifties?

Speaker 4 (01:09:20):
I haven't.

Speaker 13 (01:09:21):
I haven't been on one of these fifties.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
No, I mean watch them from the shore, you must think, man,
I'd love to give that a crack.

Speaker 14 (01:09:26):
Oh for sure, for sure, I think I think any
of us sailors you know would love to give it
a crack for sure. It's amazing, so cool to have
it and are in our home home city as well.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
Fantastic, isn't it?

Speaker 7 (01:09:36):
Just it is?

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
Hey, Matiyos, congratulations on being a world champion. All the
best defending in the middle of the year in Italy
and for what lies ahead the road to la in
twenty twenty eight. I hope that works out well before
you find a partner first and Wallen and give that
a decent crack. Thanks for popping in for a chat
for sure, Thank you very much. Good to see you mate.
Thanks to day. That's Matias Coots world champion and the
Moth Class joining us here on Weekend Sport just on

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twenty two Away from two. We'll take a break when
we come back. James mcconey joins us in this regular
Sunday slot the first Hella Furious on and afterward live
from Sale GP in Auckland.

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
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Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
B nineteen Away from two, keeping eyes on live sport
around the place as well. Including Super Spanaish Cricket and
the Australian Tennis Open Arena. Sabalinka's on Rod Labor Arena
at the moment in her women's singles fourth round match.
He's up against Mirror Anddrifa and currently has a very
well very early on in the game, but she has
a lead by two games to love in the first set.

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Coco GoF to follow a bit later on Carlos el
Karaz and Novak Djokovic on Rod Lavor Arena. So star
started stuff. As we head towards the second week of
the Australian Tennis Open, Sunday afternoons mean a lot of things.
For me, it means sitting at sale gp HQ. For
James mccony, it means talking to me from wherever he is.

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Where are you, mate?

Speaker 7 (01:11:04):
Do you?

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
Where do we find you?

Speaker 7 (01:11:07):
I'm back in a great White Shark country. I'm back
in karf here and in a garage. A lovely day
down here. So people who don't know where carf here.
You think of Raglan and then there's another harbor south
of that, Altia Harbor, and then south of that is
Kafier Harbor. So I'm here multitasking trying to tidy up
a property but also on the lookout for the Maracopa Dad,

(01:11:30):
so you know, doing a bit of.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
Everything, bit of amateur sleuthing.

Speaker 7 (01:11:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
It's good. Well let's talk some sport and some sporttainment
as it's been called the Black Clash. Another success last
night in christ Church.

Speaker 7 (01:11:45):
I think, so, I mean, look, you just see it
was a good time, wasn't it, And a great contest.
So look, it's like everything, it's got its floors. But
I think there's so much to like about having good
old fashioned entertainment. When I was young, I remember watching
I think it was kind of like a Clash of
the Code or they called it Superstars with Peter Snell

(01:12:06):
in the velodrome and things like that, and yeah he
wasn't perfect riding a bike, but very watchable TV. So
it's almost like we've gone back to the future and
with you know, Chris Gale, the Universe Boss playing that's instant,
you know, star power, a huge amount of entertainment seeing
him out there, and you know plenty of cricketers, rugby

(01:12:28):
players looking like they're not too bad at cricket. They
must give a shout out to my sky sport buddy
Joe Wheeler with the ball not too bad bowling, and
then Andy Ellis with the bats as well. I can't
remember there's someone else, Lea McDonald as well getting a
half cut.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
Yeah, it's interesting how many rugby players you know, and
I think it's probably common, not just at the elite level,
but the number of top rugby players who also played
a bit of cricket growing up. And we're pretty good
at it. Karen Reid was a very unoven Black Clashers passed.
He's got pots of runs, I know. You know, well,
Jordan's a handy cricketer. They love it as he. Dad
was one hundred and fifty k bowler.

Speaker 7 (01:13:07):
Yeah, he was part of the Brendan Brace or bowling camps,
the fast bowling camps back in the day. Right, And
so the crickets so intertwined in our DNA. And look,
I mean it's kind of this will be for not
just New Zealand cricket, but also New Zealand rugby and
all major sports or minors sports going to back to
the drawing board and thinking how do we get this

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kind of buzz, even for example athletics. I remember, you
know there was the Molenberg Miles series and the Pan
Am Games and all these things that happened where people
were talking about it, and you get famous athletes. Don
Quiry from Jamaica came over, and even in recent years,
I think Donovan Bailey came and ran grand here and
Carl lewis an exhibition event. So this is what if

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you want to get crowds and if you want to
have a good time, and of course having the ACC involved,
which is the alternative commentary collective. And I'm biased because
I'm part of that, but I think they make it
a great occasion.

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
Absolutely right. I remember that Clash of the Code. I
remember they they got obviously sports people from a bunch
of different sports together and they you know, they had
to try other sports. I remember Bruce Kendall, the board sailor.
They had the Queen Street Mile and you probably don't
remember this, but he sprinted out from the top and
he and he was leading by miles and then he
just ran out of gas. He got over taken by everybody.

Speaker 7 (01:14:28):
Do you find that. I think that because that was
the modern version of Clashes of the Coaches, conveniently organized
by Ian Ferguson and Paul McDonald and somehow the Kyaks
and the canoe is and rowers team a lot of
the events seemed to suit there their skill sets, so
somehow they end up in the final. And then Bruce
Kendall was I remember one time they had cover a

(01:14:50):
king with track on a runway and I think that
you know again little Bruce Kendall just regularly right.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
Let's talk other sport a league. Auklear FC back to
winning ways. A surprise loss against Perth Glory last weekend,
a three nil win over the previously top of the
table Melbourne City yesterday, all the goals coming at the
end of the first half. But good to see Auckland
the FC showing some bounce backability.

Speaker 7 (01:15:13):
Yeah, I know. And the way they actually set up
the formations seem to me like they've actually taken a
leaf out of Nottingham Forest book. Within a pure number
nine in Chris Wood so Max Matter was up the front,
got a yellow car throwing himself around, scored a goal,
kind of had a hand in another. I think that
really they needed to be more direct and it's all

(01:15:36):
about shots on target for me Piney and I think
in the first half they had seven that must be
a club record since I've only been going a few months,
so I'm putting it out there. It's a club record.
But that's what I needed to see from Auckland. They
see if they're really going to be contender, they just
need to shoot more and shoot accurately.

Speaker 9 (01:15:54):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
Indeed, Wellington Phoenix, on the other hand, going through some struggles,
although they did pick up a point against Sydney FC
in their last game, off to face MacArthur tomorrow night.
Does this feel like a top six side to you?

Speaker 7 (01:16:09):
Well, I'm just well currently no, but they're missing so
much talent. I think there are Mico Rojas's and there.
I think Alex Ruth has been in and out. Barbarusis
has been pretty consistently on the field. But then when
you look at how many sort of newbies and teenagers,

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and that is really the key to the A League.
It's having you know, young junior players ready to step up.
But I do feel sorry for them. I think maybe
getting rid of David Ball isn't a bad idea. You
need to get some fresh legs in there, and he's
been a great seven for the club. But I don't
think I can't remember him scoring a goal, and I
think he was extremely unlucky to Eden Park and I

(01:16:50):
just looked at him and just thought that just sums
up for old David Ball. It's not going to be
you know, he's in the twilight of his career and
the ball just doesn't seem to be bouncing his way.
So they need something piny. And for you as a commentator,
I feel like you are like one of those actors
that goes from the happy scene to this. It seemed
like Martha of the House and lem is who you know,
I dreamed a dream sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
Yes, I never thought of it in those terms, but
I will from now on. That's what I'm Yeah, I
was gonna say I'll give up my Jean Valjean, but
I don't think he was involved in either of either
of those two songs. So maybe we should move on
the Aussie Open. You're watching the Aussie.

Speaker 7 (01:17:27):
Open, Yeah, I have been, and I still maintain that
it's really Chockovich. Who can you know, add to his
titles the only three players that really can beat him
A sinner, al Caarez and old Oh Mine. It should
just be those two, really I think about it. There's
there are some who are looking okay, but there's it's

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not really the same talent paul As have known in
the past. And on the women's side, at least, Coco
Goth seems to be hitting the ball really nicely, although
she plays at three o'clock, so it could it might
date very poorly because you don't know with the Aussie
Open and who's looking good. Because by the time you're

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in the fourth round, you're actually in good form, aren't you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
Yeah, absolutely right. Yeah. Look, I was astounded to see
that Novak Djokovic was only the seventh seed. I know
it's based on a lot more than just who you
think is going to win the thing, but he I
think he's still got the chance to win it. Center
feels like the man El Karez as well as Verev.
I don't know. I don't think I've ever seen him.
I don't think we've had a seeded player like Zverev

(01:18:34):
who just gets so little press. I don't think they've
been putting him on the main courts until the second
week and he's the second seed.

Speaker 7 (01:18:41):
Yeah, and I mean he is a threat. I mean,
Alex Demano is a threat. There's all these other plans.
He'd say ye're talent wise, they have got something, but
I think isolating. I mean center of the drugs cheat
supposed alleged drugs cheat al Karez twenty one years old,
just a freak, and then old man Jokovic in his
mid thirties. I think it's between those three.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
Indeed, and just to finish, we're now able to vote
for the sporting moments of twenty twenty four. And given
the fact that there was an Olympic Games last year
with a lot of success for New Zealand and a
Paralympics as well, there are a number of moments that
are Olympic ones. Have you had a look at the
lineup and have you got an early contender for which

(01:19:23):
one you think we might all choose?

Speaker 7 (01:19:26):
This is harder to pick than a broken nose. As
they say in the Twelfth Man, It's just impossible. And
you know what, Dame Lisa Carrington didn't even make the list. No,
so this is I don't know how the list was compiled.
I'm not a judge anymore, but I do look at
the sporting moments and twenty twenty four was amazing. And
even just looking at the top one, Anna Grimaldi when

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she won that two hundred meters in the Paralympics. That
was an incredible moment. So you know, you kick off
with that, and of course there's Dame Lydia Cove his
Hamish cur really really tough. And in terms of pure
moments of emotion, you know the White Fans winning their
T twenty World Cup and then the black Caps are
in there. Well, so I think you can go and

(01:20:08):
have a look on Halberg dot org dot nzet. I
think for the for the full list, and it's going
to be it's worth voting because you know, I think
that you want to be a pure in New Zealand
vote rather than just block voting voting of sports where
but I mean, you know there's two cricket events in there,
so that is a big popular sports. So if you

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if you love your athletics or your golf or whatever,
you're going to go in there and and vote.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
Absolutely right. Well it's good to chat, James. Let's do
it again next Sunday if you've if you've got time
and amongst all of your other amateur sleuthing and such like, yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:20:43):
Yeah, I'll let you know. Actually there's some people thought
that you might look a bit like the Merrick Coop Dad,
but I didn't perform. You've just got a slightly smaller
head by the judging my net photo.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
And probably slightly big around the waist as well, given
the fact he's been eating berries for two years. But
we probably die. We probably die, thanks James. James mccony,
big part of our Sundays, joins us about this time,
every say yeah the Helberg sports moment of the year.
It is a public vote. So there's the supermumroers brooking,

(01:21:12):
Lucy embracing their kids after winning Goldfinn Butcher winning gold
and his emotional tribute to his dad, Elise Andrews speaking
of fathers, celebrating her care and gold with her dad
and coach John, the black Caps stunning India in that
three nil series win, the White Ferns winning the T
twenty World Cup and a Grimaldi's Paralympic gold medal winning

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run of the two hundred meters in Paris, Hayden Wilde's
sportsmanship after narrowly missing Olympic Triathlon gold, the Silver Ferns
winning the Constellation Cup, Lydia Coe winning Olympic gold, and
Hamish Kerr and his pure joy in winning Olympic gold
in the high jump and then hairing around the Olympic
Stadium for the next three or four minutes. Yeah, Helberg

(01:21:55):
dot co dot nz is where you can find your
ability to vote for that. Seven Away from two News Talk.

Speaker 1 (01:22:01):
Sepp backing the Blackfoils, Weekend Sport with Jason Fine live
at sale GP and Autlodon News Talk dead.

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
B four to two after I use at two, back
into sale GP mode as we come to your Life
from sale GPHQ at Winyard Point looking out on why
Tima to Harbor the race course. We're a couple of
hours away from the first race. There'll be three today
before the winner takes all three boat final after two o'clock.
Jimmy Spittel is on the show. Obviously well known to

(01:22:30):
all sailing fans and sports fans in general. He is
the founder and CEO of the Italy sale GP Syndicate,
which has only come on board this season. How did
this all come about and does he miss being out
on the water. We'll also talk to Hannah Mills, strategist
with the Great Britain team, and Annie Maloney, the flight
controller for the Brazilian sale GP team is with US as.

Speaker 1 (01:22:52):
Well, eleven teams from across the globe converge on the
way to Mataba. Sale GP returns to New Zealand and
we've got all the big names in sailing straight sprints.
Weekend Sport with Chasin Pine live from the sale GP
village and when you put on your home of Sports
News Talks EDB just.

Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
Coming up seven parts too. Welcome back to the show,
Welcome into the show. This is Weekend Sport on News
Talks EDB live from Woodyard Points in Auckland, scene of
the race stadium in the second event of season five
in the role ex sale GP Championship. Auckland yesterday made
its sale GP debut in front of over twelve thousand people.
Picture perfect day on white to Matar Harbor. Yesterday. Australia

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tops the table after day one. There were good conditions
and plenty of time to work with, so there was
a super Saturday format yesterday four fleet races for the
first time ever, and there'll be another four races today,
three more fleet races and then the top three on
points we'll go into the winner takes all final four

(01:23:57):
o'clock start. At the moment it is Australia as I
say at the top Emirates, Great Britain and Spain second
and third, and after a bit of a slow start yees,
today the Black Fours recovered. They won the final fleet
race of the day. They are in fourth place and
well and truly still in the picture for participation in
the win. It takes all three boat final a bit

(01:24:17):
later on this afternoon, So just repeating, even though there
were four races yesterday, there'll be another three today before
the three boat final, with racing starting at around four
o'clock this afternoon. It was at around about this time
yesterday that some of the some of the boats started
to make their way out and sort of I guess
have a bit of a practice out on what a

(01:24:39):
matar harbor. I can tell you. The wind has certainly
gotten up yesterday today rather compared with what it was
yesterday and from the east at twenty gusting thirty knots
as we heard in the forecast. So that's going to
lead to some really interesting decision making and racing this
afternoon when it does get back underway. Between now and

(01:25:00):
when we close the show at three, we're going to
focus pretty much on sale GP and chat to us.
One of the world's top sailors. Andy Maloney is with
us this our really interesting story. This synonymous with sailing
in this part of the world and has spent a
lot of time alongside Blair Chirk and Peter Berling, both
on sale GP boats and with the America's Cup on

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Emirates Team New Zealand as well. But for this sale
GP season he is now the flight controller with the
brazil startup Sale GP team. We spoke to their owner
and founder, Alan Adler yesterday. He was very complementary of
Andy Maloney and what he has brought to this brand
new team in sale GPS. Andy Maloney is along this hour,

(01:25:42):
so to Hannah Mills, who is the strategist with Emirates
Great Britain. She's been part of a very impressive first
day performance from the Great Britain team. There's been a
change of driver there as well. Dylan Fletcher has coming
for Giles Scott who's gone to the Canadian team. So
what's that been like in terms of an adjustment. The

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colms between driver and strategists are a key part of
these sale GP successful boats, So how's that worked out
for Hannah Mills. She's going to stop in from the
Great Britain team a little bit later on as well.
We'll keep it on Live Sport. The Australian Open is
going on. There is Super Smash as well. But to

(01:26:24):
kick us off this out the Red Ball Italy team
is another competing for the first time this sale GP season.
Team founder and chief executive is one of the great
modern day sailors. Two time America's Cup winner, veteran of
eight America's Cup campaigns, twenty fourteen World Male Sailor of
the Year and former driver with the USA sale GP team,

(01:26:47):
Jimmy Spittle. I went down to the Italy base a
little bit earlier on today and spoke with Jimmy Spittle,
ask them, first of all, what was behind his desire
to form the Italian sale GP team.

Speaker 15 (01:26:59):
I think it really came from, you know, having lived
in Italy for the past two America's Cup cycles competing
for them. I'm just saying firsthand, you know, I'm in
the talent that's out there, the guys and girls, this
next generational talent that's coming through, and that was really
evident if you look at the Female America's Cup and
the Youth America's Cup. Italy won both of those. Italy

(01:27:20):
has always been, you know, quite a strong sailing nation.
On the other side, it's just the fan base and
the commercial upside, I mean, and they are passionate fans,
really loyal and just a big following for the sport
of sailing.

Speaker 2 (01:27:34):
So when you started thinking about putting the team together,
were the what were the logistics, what were the challenges
of that?

Speaker 15 (01:27:39):
Yeah, I mean it really started. At first I was
involved with the US team, you know, running that, and
then we ended up selling the team to Ryan mckillan,
and that that really was the catalyst to opening the
door for Italy, you know. And at that stage, you know,
we worked it out, spoke with Larry and Russell, and
then the opportunity to come up so that I will
why not take on the Italian team, And so at

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that stage I was in the midst of a campaign
with Leona Rossa, and again I just lived and breathed
the Italian lifestyle and seen it all firsthand. Plus even
when I was representing the American team, we would go
to the Italian event and it was one it was
like this event. It was completely sold out, fans everywhere
and there was no Italian team at that stage. So
I just knew as soon as we got a national

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team together it would you know, one, I think it
eventually will get there competitively, just like any team, but
the support I will get, both commercially and from a
fan base will be one of the best. I reckon.

Speaker 2 (01:28:34):
Yeah, I don't want to jump too far ahead, but
when you think of Event teen, I think it is
in Toronto. I mean, can you imagine the scenes there
when there is an Italy team there?

Speaker 15 (01:28:41):
Yeah, exactly, I mean it'll be it'll be crazy. I
mean the Italian fans I can tell you some of
the it's like a religion following their sporting teams. And yeah,
so already if we look at some of the stars
you know we've got in our team here, like Riggeiro,
who's our driver, double gold medalists, you know, he's got
a real following already in Italy and as long as

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as well as some of our other athletes. So yeah,
there's no doubt in my mind that once we get
back to the European sector of the of the tour especially,
it'll it'll it'll really it'll blow it up.

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
And you've got Kyle Langford a cross as well. How
did that conversation play out.

Speaker 15 (01:29:19):
Yeah, that was I knew straight away we needed an
experienced athlete from sale GP. You look at what I mean.
Kyle and I have had a lot of history together
with won America's Cups and World Championships and stuff together.
One of the top athletes in sal GP, and let's
face it, he's won every season but one and they
were a close second last season when the Spanish won.

Speaker 9 (01:29:41):
So to be able to.

Speaker 15 (01:29:41):
Secure Kyle was huge because this is a new team.
You know, it's all about ours and there's no shortcut
in the top end of the sport, nor that there
should be. But you know, we have we understand that
we have to follow this process. But the unique thing
with sal GPS you don't get the boats. You can't
just go and train because as soon as the regatur ends,
it's just like Moto GP or Formula one, it's full

(01:30:04):
pack up mode. Everything's packed up, all these ten they
go straight in the ship and we're onto the next event.
So for for new teams, that makes it a little
more challenging because you can't just get out on the
boat and train.

Speaker 2 (01:30:16):
You got a key as well. Brad Fair and along
for the ride this weekend. How did that come about?

Speaker 15 (01:30:21):
Yeah, I mean Brad's been an awesome addition. You know,
we look, we knew we had to supplement some experience
and some youth and sort of next generational talent. And
I think the addition of Brad has been huge for
the team. Very very experienced sala very, you know, from
all aspects of a sport, you know, offshore Grand Prix insure.

(01:30:43):
But not only that, it's really his attitude as a
team player that really stood out to us. And so yeah,
really start to have Brad in the group.

Speaker 2 (01:30:51):
Well, at least talk about this weekend. It's day one
went well, a couple of thirds, couple of sevenths. I'm
off the back of you know results, perhaps that went
quite as impressive and d buy what went well for
you us today?

Speaker 15 (01:31:01):
Yeah, I think it was really important for the team.
I mean, look again, this is an hour's game and
we have the least amount of hours out of anyone.
Not only that, but this team is a group, so
the first time they've ever sailed together, all work together,
and look we've got English speakers, we've got Italian speakers,
so it's you know, i'd even argue that the Kiwi
language is a little bit different than really real English,

(01:31:22):
so so yeah, I mean it's it's just going to
take time, and you know the team understands that. But
what's important after yesterday is just that sort of mental
side that the team has the confidence now to know
they can go out there and mix it up. So look,
it's all about keeping the mistakes down. But as we've seen,
there are a lot of opportunities on this racetrack and
given the forecast today, it'll be yeah, it'll be right

(01:31:45):
on the edge.

Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
What did you make of the overall sailing on the
new tfoils yesterday, But from all of the boats.

Speaker 15 (01:31:50):
I think they are a big step forward one from
the in terms of speeds. Reliability is a huge thing
as well for the fleet. But what you really want
is equipment that can cover a big range, and one
thing those tfoils have done. We have two sets of foils.
We have a lighter foil and we have a heavy
air foil. But now we've really got some scope where

(01:32:11):
if we get caught down range with the heavy air
foils on or vice versa, you know we're covered and
we can go foiling. And that's really what you want
is to be able to get out there and make
sure you can deliver because look, get with all the
weather modeling and sophistication, you still got you've got to
deal with mother late nature and it can throw some curveballs.
So having that flexibility I think is very important.

Speaker 2 (01:32:33):
Right and from a global point of you, I guess
an overall point of view, what does success look like
for the Italy sale GP team in your first season?

Speaker 15 (01:32:41):
I think the first season is really being able to
show that we can mix it up and be competitive,
and I think we tick that box much of it
than I thought we would, and that was yesterday. You know,
to be going get a couple of podium place finishes
and really been mixing it up at the top, that's
a huge step for the team. But I think for
us it's to really try and get into a Super
Sunday Final. You know that that's what we'd really love

(01:33:02):
to do. I'd love to see us get a race win,
you know, in one of these heats. But yeah, if
we can get into one of the Super Sunday Finals,
I think that will really be a great achievement for
a new team, and I think that we'd be looking
at that hopefully by the sort of second half of
the season.

Speaker 2 (01:33:17):
Jim's being out there, mate, it's.

Speaker 15 (01:33:19):
The hardest thing in the world just sitting on the
side on and watching. I don't know how people do it.
It's just so I've never been so stressed in my life.

Speaker 9 (01:33:26):
Out Jimmy.

Speaker 2 (01:33:28):
Great to chat TMV made all the best for the
rest of the season with Italy, thanks very much. It's
Jimmy Spittle who I spoke to earlier at the Sale
Italy team base. The bases are so cool here, they're
all set up. It's very much a drop and drop
out sort of situation with Sale GP. Everywhere you go
around the fourteen events that will look pretty much the

(01:33:49):
same in terms of the structures that are set up,
the livery all that sort of thing, and just the
consistency of branding. But yeah, great to chat to Jimmy
Spittle again, a guy who's not sitting still. He's achieved
a lot, a veteran of eight America's Cup campaigns, two
time winner. Of course, he's been in sal GP with
the United States team. Could easily have said, you know what,

(01:34:11):
I'll try something else, but it must be in must
be locked into his veins because there he is with Italy.
Now it'll be rare, really interesting. I don't think he will,
but it would be really interesting to see if Jimmy
Spittle might get on the helm in one of these regattas.
It wouldn't beyond the realms of possibility by the sounds
of it. He's been rotating around the boat helping out

(01:34:33):
and demonstrating and certainly has been in and around the
tools as it were, so it wouldn't be a big
surprise to see Jimmy Spittle at some stage. He is
listed as a sailor a reserved sailor in the Italy team,
so if the situation requires it, he could jump in.
We'll wait and see what happens with the Italy sale

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GP team. A good day for them yesterday two thirds
two sevenths and back into it again today. Just a
bit a live sport to update you on from around
the country and the super Smash. Let's start there in Hamilton.
It's Northern Districts against Canterbury today in a double head
of The women are first up and the Northern Brave

(01:35:14):
one thirty eight for five and they're twenty overs Canterbury
about to begin the chase. In fact, they have with
a very good first over thirteen off at third team
without loss in the first over Canterbury chasing Northern's one
thirty eight for five. The Australian Tennis Open is going
on and the women's top seed, Arena Samaleka is on
court at the moment in her fourth round match against

(01:35:36):
Mirror and Riva and Arena Sabalinka, the double defending champion,
looking pretty good to you. Won the first set six
to one. It's one all on serve in the second set.
A bit later on today on on Rod Labor Arena,
there's a chance to have a look at some of
the some of the top seeds. Novak Djokovic is on

(01:35:56):
a little bit later on. Coco GoF is next. That
won't happen before three o'clock but will follow the Sablinka
and Riva match. Coco Goff she'll be up against the
Swiss player Belinda Benchic, and then later on tonight on
Rod Lava Arena it's Carlos Alkaaz the third seed up

(01:36:17):
against the brit Jack Draper, the fifteenth seed, and then
Novak Djokovic completes the action tonight on Rod Laver arena.
Actually there's a doubles match to follow him the seventh seat.
He'll be up against the player from the Czech Republic,
Yuri Leheka. So Novak Djokovic is looking to make it
into the quarterfinals at the Australian Tennis opener. Just a

(01:36:39):
word on the Dubai Desert Masters, sorry Dubai Desert Classic
on the European Golf Tour and an exciting night ahead
because there are two Kiwis in the top four heading
into the final round. In fact, Daniel Hillier leads by
one stroke heading into the final round. Ryan Fox's fourth

(01:36:59):
equal four shots behind. The winner's purse for the Dubai
Desert Classic is two point seven million dollars two point
seven seven million New Zealand dollars if Daniel Hillier was
to win the Dubai Desert Classics, so quite the payday.

(01:37:20):
He's had an excellent three rounds. If he can make
it for then well that will be a significant win
in the in the professional golfing life of Daniel Hillier.
He's underway in the fourth round at around eight thirty
five this evening New Zealand time. It's two twenty one.
We'll take a break, comeback with more from sale GP
in Auckland and we'll get inside the Emirates Great Britain camp.

(01:37:41):
They're second heading into day two after a very very
good day one. Yesterday. Strategist Hannah Mills is with us
right after this.

Speaker 1 (01:37:51):
The first is Hella Furious on and Afterwater Live from
sale GP in Auckland. It's Weekend Sport with Jason Fine
and GJ Gunnos, New Zealand's most trusted home builder News
Talks at B.

Speaker 2 (01:38:04):
Two twenty four on News Talks at and Weekend Sport
Life from sale GP in Auckland. Let's bring in the
single most successful female sailor in Olympic history silver at
London and twenty twelve Golden Rio, twenty sixteen gold again
in Tokyo and twenty twenty one. Three time world champion,
two time World Female Sailor of the Year MB and

(01:38:27):
Obe Sailing Trailblazer both on and off the water. It's
Emirates Great Britain strategist Hannah Mills, who was here with us.
Thanks for stopping it. Nice to see you, hey, Nice
to see you too yesterday. How do you assess it? First? Second, ninth, fourth,
second overall it's a pretty good day.

Speaker 11 (01:38:45):
Yeah, it was a good day.

Speaker 2 (01:38:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:38:46):
Obviously that third race with the ninth didn't quite pan out.
We had a tough start and then yeah, got back
in the pack and then got sucked to the back again,
which is so easy to do in this racing. But
overall really buzzy. It was just the most amazing day sailing,
massive grandstand, so many people. Yeah, it was super cool.

Speaker 2 (01:39:03):
Yeah, I can see it from your face. You're beaming
about the Yeah, the changeable conditions, they were changeable, weren't they,
but shifty out there. How much did that affect the
sailing use today?

Speaker 11 (01:39:14):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 2 (01:39:14):
It was massive.

Speaker 16 (01:39:15):
You know, we were having kind of forty to fifty
degree shifts throughout the racing and then massive pressure differences
as well. So big day for the strategists trying to
pick that and manage.

Speaker 11 (01:39:26):
All the boats.

Speaker 16 (01:39:26):
You know, really tight course with eleven boats blasting round,
so lots going on, but just honestly just epic racing.

Speaker 2 (01:39:34):
You said you're in the week. I'm just going to
quote it here. For the strategists, it's going to be
eyes out more than normal. Can you just explain that
for us?

Speaker 16 (01:39:41):
Yeah, So A big part of the strategist's role is
around identifying issue boats, which means boats that you might
be coming together with. So trying to identify those early
bring the driver's sort of attention to them so we
can make a plan early and so you're not doing
any really rush last minute maneuvers or having a crash.
So that's a huge part of the role really, and
with such a tight race course, and particularly with kind

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of the big shifts and gusts, you know, you think
you might be fine on a boat and then they
get a big lift or whatever and suddenly they are
an issue. So yeah, it's it's a constant monitoring.

Speaker 2 (01:40:12):
It sounds like a job where you need eyes everywhere,
eyes and you hear, you know, to use a cliche,
is it fair?

Speaker 16 (01:40:18):
Yeah, I would say so, yeah, So how do you
manage it? It's you know, you do have we have
the coaches booth actually now, which is kind of a
semi new feature for so GP. So we've got the
coach on shore with a couple of people. Actually they're
supporting as well, and so they've got big eyes out
on issue boats. So if we're not talking about it
on the boat, then they'll bring our attention to it

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as well, So that's kind of like another another solution
in place. But ultimately it's just being really aware of
the moments where boats are going to come together, and
that's generally at the marks when you're bearing away and
there's people coming out wind, or at the bottom mark
when you're rounding up and there's people coming down wind,
so that they're the big ones.

Speaker 2 (01:40:57):
Communication just seems so important on these boats. Is there
a danger of too many voices? Sometimes the coach isn't yeah, yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:41:04):
One hundred percent, and sometimes you know, we have a
thing on our boat of reset or you know, back
on the job or whatever it is, just to align
everyone because it's getting too noisy. And if it's too noisy,
the driver can't concentrate and they can't kind of think
and make the right decisions. So a big part of
my job as well is actually knowing when the right
time to chip in is. And sometimes you've got something

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to say, but actually in the moment that's not the
most important thing, and it's just getting through a maneuver
or getting around the mark or whatever it is, and
waiting for the opportunity to say what you need to say.

Speaker 2 (01:41:34):
What is the most available information that coaches can give
to you on the boat?

Speaker 16 (01:41:39):
I think a lot of it's between races actually ideaing
what's been going on in that race and where the
big gains were or the losses, or how the setups
changing from boats to boat, you know, boats that are
going well, trying to identify what they're doing. So that's
probably the biggie for the coaches with all the data
that they've got coming off all of the team's boats.
Is trying to be really quick in ideing that.

Speaker 2 (01:41:58):
Do you also use the word carnage this way, which
I absolutely loved, I love it. Do you think we're
some interesting racing out here today?

Speaker 11 (01:42:05):
I think so.

Speaker 5 (01:42:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:42:07):
Looking behind me out the window looks pretty fresh. But yeah,
I mean with eleven boats, as I said, on this
race course and twenty knots, it's going to be loose. Yeah,
it's going to be big, big eyes out you know,
there's going to be boats having some big stuffs and
just trying to avoid each Other's the big one.

Speaker 2 (01:42:24):
A change obviously to the Great Britain team in the
off season, Joel Scott going to the Canadian team. Dylan Fletcher,
who we spoke to on the show yesterday. The driver
seems like a seamless transition here, has it been?

Speaker 11 (01:42:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (01:42:34):
Pretty much. You know, Dyl's been involved with most of
the sailors on this team for a long time now,
and so everyone knows each other really well. And Dylan
and I've grown up sailing together and yeah, racing and
been to a couple of Olympics together. So yeah, Dyl
slotted in really really well, really quickly, and you know
he's super intense, super focused, really pushing to want to
make his mark, and so it's a really cool, cool

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person sell with and be around.

Speaker 2 (01:42:58):
Is the plan for you to drive at some stage?

Speaker 11 (01:43:00):
Who knows?

Speaker 16 (01:43:01):
My ambition with Sergey p has always been to try
and drive a boat, And you know, like I said
in the press conference, it's you know, the moment will
or won't come, but if it does come, I just
need to be as ready as I possibly can be
to be able to step in and do that job.
So the team's been incredibly supportive and giving me time
on the helm when we get training time, and you know,
helping upskill me and teach me what it is I

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need to do. So yeah, it's been really good so far.

Speaker 2 (01:43:26):
I should ask about the t foils as well. Have
asked everybody else about those yesterday. In the different dynamic
they added. Did you notice a difference.

Speaker 16 (01:43:33):
Yeah, it's a really big difference the tefoils, maybe more
so at the moment, just because everyone's learning, but you know,
we're kind of learning the limits of what they can
and can't do. They behave quite differently to the alfoil,
So yeah, I think we'll probably see more crashes today
than we maybe would have done with the al foil,
just because they are behaving quite differently.

Speaker 2 (01:43:52):
I can ask you as well about the Athena Pathway program.
You're launched it in twenty two alongside have been Ainsley,
the aim of fast breaking women's development and high performance sailing.
How's the progress been in your mind?

Speaker 16 (01:44:02):
Yeah, it's been really good. We had a really successful
Women's and Youth America Cup back in Barcelona last summerh.

Speaker 2 (01:44:08):
So cool, which is super cool? Well, I was. It
was heartbreaking, I know for you, but it was. It
was so cool to say it was.

Speaker 16 (01:44:14):
It was an amazing about the particular women's event for
me to be a part of was just yeah, moment
in history, and I think a big step forward for
women's sailing in this type of boat, you know, and
there's a lot of similarities between the AC forty and
the F fifty now, especially with the t foils coming
on the F fifty, So big step forward for a
lot of the female athletes there, and I think that's
really helping the progression with CELGP. I think they both

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have worked really well together actually, and with the Athena Pathway.
We're lucky we've got good funding for the next Cup
cycle and so looking forward to driving that forward, trying
to create more opportunity and trying to keep moving women's
sailing forward.

Speaker 2 (01:44:49):
Absolutely, and I know the vision for Seal GP is
to have two female athletes per race crew. How far
away from it do you think we are?

Speaker 16 (01:44:57):
Oh, it's hard to say, you know, I think we
still we are still a way off, I would say,
But there's a lot of push there and we're getting
some commercial backing now for the women's Pathway program with
our first ever all female training camp in Dubai after
the event there, which was which was huge, and the challenge.
You know, it's easy for people to say, well, why
don't you just put more women on the boats, but

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the experience gap is real in terms of you know,
the men have been racing and sailing these boats now,
this type of sailing for kind of fifteen years, and
it's it's a lot of learning to catch up on
and getting time on the water in these types of
boats is really difficult, just the nature, the cost, everything
that goes with it. So you know, there's a big,
big push, which is great, and I think all the

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female athletes feel the same. You know, we want to
be there when it's the right time and when we
deserve our place.

Speaker 2 (01:45:43):
I use the word trial blizer. At the start and
you're operating at an elite level, do you feel any
sense of responsibility in that regard or do you feel
a sense of frustration in that regard? I'm not sure
what are your emotions around it.

Speaker 16 (01:45:55):
No, I don't feel I mean sometimes you feel frustrated
because you know, you're competitive, you're driven, and you want
to get to where you want to get to. But
it's a process, and I guess I feel privileged in
a way that I'm in a point in time where
there is progress being made and I can help drive
that forward. So hopefully for the next generation. It's a
bit easier. But yeah, you know, I look at who's

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come before me and some of the things they've had
to deal with and go through to get us to
this point, and so yeah, I mostly feel privileged to
be a part of the story.

Speaker 2 (01:46:26):
All right, And just back to today. I'm so looking
forward to today after talking to you, you got the
ausies just to here to you, we got two more
fleet racers, then the final carnage out the other day.
You must be how do you feel a few hours
before you go out.

Speaker 16 (01:46:39):
Yeah, it's all the emotions, you know, A bit of its,
a bit of excitement, a bit of trepidation because it
is breezy, and yeah, just everything. I think a lot
of adrenaline, that'll be for sure on the boat. But
you know, once you get racing, once you start the race,
you're kind of just into it and you're doing your job.

Speaker 2 (01:46:54):
Really great to chet Hannah all the bits out of
there this afternoon and for the rest of the season.
Thank you, Thank you for joining us, Hanna Hannah Mills there,
she's the strategist with the Emirates, the Great Britain who
go into the second day today in second place behind
Australia in terms of the leaderboard, Australia have thirty four points,
Emirates scrape, Britain twenty eight, Spain have twenty six, New
Zealand twenty five, it's only twenty four, Denmark twenty three,

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and then it's a gap back to Switzerland and Canada,
both with nineteen points. An unhappy rigatta so far. For
the US they've got eleven points. Then it's Brazil with
six and the German team with five. The way it
works is that you get ten points for a win,
nine for second, eight for third, et cetera. If you
finish eleventh, you don't get any points, So even gaining

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a couple of places during a race, going from sixth
to fourth, for example, could be key. At the end
of the day you can see how tight it is
at the top. If Australia have cleared out somewhat, but
then twenty eight, twenty six, twenty five, twenty four to
twenty three between the next five boats only three make
the final, you'd have to think Australia are in pretty
good position to do that, although you don't want to

(01:48:01):
put the camp before the horse. If they have a
catastrophe and a couple of races out here and what
will be increasingly challenging conditions. They may well drop out
of the top three, but you'd have to suggest that
they on their showing from yesterday, would do enough to
stay in the top three. But beyond that, as anybody's guess,
any number of teams could feature with them in the
winner takes all three boat final. So racing starts at

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four three fleet racers, reminding you three more fleet racers
today before we get to the final. Just on twenty
five to three. Here at News Talks, every will continue
our coverage from sal GP in Auckland shortly Andy Maloney.
This is a really interesting story. Andy Maloney had been
part of Emirates Team New Zealand America's Cup Challenges and Defenses,

(01:48:46):
part of the sale GP New Zealand team for a
long time, but between season four and this season season
five he transferred across to the startup Brazil sale GP team.
So how did that all come about, how is he
finding it and what Harra's hopes and aspirations for himself
personally as a sailor and for the Brazil sale GP team.

(01:49:07):
We'll find out when Andy Maloney pops in for a
chat right.

Speaker 1 (01:49:10):
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and news dogs Ivy.

Speaker 2 (01:49:28):
The two thirty eight Andy Maloney standing by the chat
to us, but let's get you out on the water
because there are a number of different ways to watch
the action. You can watch it from the amazing grandstand
here on shore. There are lots of vantage points around
white Tonight to Harbor for people to check out the racing,
but also the ability to buy a ticket and take
your own boat out and sit on the front of

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the race course and watch the action up close. We
spoke to Angus yesterday who had done exactly that. He
joins us again, how was yesterday? Mate?

Speaker 8 (01:49:56):
Oh piney, what a day on and off the what tooray?
But now what a day? It was awesome? Good weather? Yeah, no,
it was awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:50:03):
So you head it back out today? Slightly choppy as
I see it from here on shore. Are you still
going to get out there and watch again today?

Speaker 9 (01:50:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (01:50:12):
Now?

Speaker 8 (01:50:12):
Quick coming to you off the water today. Yeah, there's
a bit more choppy. We're pretty much in the same spot.
You know, if you look at the grand stand, we're
pretty much on the other side of course, to di
rictly opposite it. Yeah, a bit more choppy, the more
wounds at his son. But look it's still good. Same
as you say. We got the drinks flow and we've
got the music going. No complaints so far.

Speaker 2 (01:50:28):
Good to hear, good to hear. How close to do
some of the boats get to you?

Speaker 7 (01:50:32):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (01:50:32):
I could chose the video. We were probably literally, like
I said, we're probably I think the closest we got.
One of my mates, he's got a range finder. He's
really into his golf board. It out and he was measuring.

Speaker 2 (01:50:44):
Oh, we locked up. We lost Beggaus just as he
was going to tell us the story about how closely
got I might see a bevan can get him back
to continue that story. So yeah, we've just head into
Angus is on one of the spectator craft out there
at the moment. Are you just telling the story about
your mate with the range finder and how close the
boat's got in?

Speaker 8 (01:51:02):
Yes, sorry, mate, don't know what happened to Yeah, he's
got a range find he loves his goal and he
just measuring them that I think we got about forty
five meters away from at one point. Wow, you know,
really really close. You know, it was real, so cool.
It's just such a good day.

Speaker 2 (01:51:14):
Does it give you a real appreciation of the of
the skill of the of the sailors and what's needed
to sell these these are fifties at high speed?

Speaker 8 (01:51:23):
Oh absolutely, And just like you know, obviously it wasn't
the space for us at the start. So just seeing
you know, like it can happen to anybody. You know,
some of the best sailors in the world, and still
you know they're human too. They spent the same kind
of coming mistakes and whatnot. So now it's just such
a positive day, you know. And the saw the offer
to come dawning. You know, I know you're a busy man,
but you know you're you're only an Awkland ones.

Speaker 2 (01:51:43):
No that's true. Well I get the felling on my
visit again one day, but maybe not for maybe not
for for sale GP. Although we had Sir Russell Coots
on earlier today and he said they've already started chatting
about making this an annual event. So maybe your b
yo b experience might be an annual thing. I'll have
to jump aboard at some stage surely.

Speaker 8 (01:52:02):
Yeah, definitely. And just just why you're saying that you
had some really good interviews today with any today all
the sailors and the organizers do so. Now, that was
awesome thing for him in sport and what's been.

Speaker 2 (01:52:11):
Awesome top man agers. They enjoy the rest of your day.
Mate out there, be safe, I know you will, but yeah,
look forward to chatting to you again soon. That's Angus
one of the one of the many who have taken
the opportunity to take a boat out and sit on
the fringes of the race course and watch from up
close forty five meters away. Incredible but having said that,
they get rad close to the shore as well. The

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finish line is right in front of the grandstand and
the scenes as Team New Zealand or the New Zealand
Sale GP team came down to the finish line first
and the fourth race yesterday terrific and more of the same,
we hope this afternoon let's get back to our guests.
Our final guest of the afternoon and of the weekends

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is the subject of the biggest off season transfer ahead
of season five. It was the move to the new
Brazilian team of former New Zealand flight controller Andy Maloney
and the Maloney's been a permanent fixture on the Kiwi
team since it's entry into the league in season two,
racing alongside Peter Burling and Blair Chuk and others in
both Sale GP and the America's Cup. Andy Malone's stopped

(01:53:16):
in for a chat before he gets out on the
water with Brazil. I know you've talked a lot about
your move from the Black Foils to Brazil. I don't
want to revisit it too much, Andy, but could you
give us just a general idea of the main motivation
behind switching camps.

Speaker 17 (01:53:31):
Yeah, I guess anytime I sort of explain the move
to anyone. You know, there's so many factors that come
into making a big decision like this for your career
and for myself. A big big things were the challenge
with the Brazilian team, really exciting project to be a
part of as the first South American team, first Brazilian team,
with my team leading the team as the first female

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driver in the league. Those were all very motivating things
to be a part of. On top of that, you know,
the people involved the team was bringing the right people
into the project to have the potential and all the
ingredients to become a benchmark team the league. And it's
just a matter of time. So again that's another exciting
part of the challenge. And then for me, the timing
of my career was right. You know, I'd been with

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the Black Furs for a few years and we had been,
you know, through the whole process to get to the
front of the league, and I felt it was a
good time in my career to sort of step out
of that comfort zone and to keep developing myself as
an athlete and as a person as well.

Speaker 2 (01:54:27):
So yeah, yeah, we had a team owner, Allen Adler,
on the radio yesterday and he spoke in glowing terms
about you, but also about the fact that that that
was his view as well, that it couldn't just be
about the money or he's a big paycheck. It had
to be about something that developed you as a sailor,
and he said that was the most important thing to
him as well. So I know it's early in your
time with Brazil, but do you feel like you will

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be able to achieve that?

Speaker 17 (01:54:49):
Yeah, one hundred percent, Like I said, you know, we've
got my team leading the team, super capable with all
the right ingredients to become an amazing leader as well
as one of the top drivers in this league. I've
got no doubt in her potential. Then we've got other
people on the boat, you know, coming from a champions
Pan American Champions, America's Cup, champions, We've got all the

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ingredients there, and it's about jeling as a crew and
all of us learning the boat a little bit better
as a group. And we definitely we've shown a lot
of potential in some of the practice racing. Yesterday, our
potential didn't quite shine through, but I'm hoping today. You know,
it's another opportunity for us as a new team to
sort of show what we're capable of. And you know,
eat race is an opportunity right now for us as
a new team, and we've got to just take it

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one race at a time and keep trying to, you know,
get that first win on the board.

Speaker 2 (01:55:34):
You use the word gelling there, and it's a word
I've heard a lot when talking to the sailors across
the weekend. You know, the gelling, the communication, the culture
on the boat, how challenging. Is that as a startup
compared to an existing crew.

Speaker 17 (01:55:47):
Yeah, for sure, you know you need you need to
know your teammates really well and how they how they
sort of react to different situations. But as well, these
boats really require the six people on board or to
be nailing and executing the role to perfection, to sell
the boat really well. So you know, part of that
gelling is a crew is all of us learning our
roles on the boat and and really nailing them and

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executing them in the crucial moments around the race course
to do a good job. And that's what you see
the top teams do racing and race out.

Speaker 2 (01:56:14):
Conditions yesterday, conditions today as you least talk about yesterday
first of all, tenth, ninth, eight to eleventh, what do
you reckon? You can make the big improvements today.

Speaker 17 (01:56:24):
Just doing the simple things better today. You know, we
got caught out a few times just maybe getting behind
on our communication and from the practice day, you know,
we had another five boats on the race course yesterday
and that added another level of intensity and another huge
level of complexity to the coms loop that we weren't
used to the day before as a team. So today

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it's about sort of painting that picture a bit earlier
in the piece and then letting ourselves, giving ourselves time
to execute around the race course.

Speaker 2 (01:56:51):
Shifty wins yesterday, I think could probably be a fair description.
How much more challenging does that make it?

Speaker 17 (01:56:57):
Yeah, I mean the first two races were incredibly dynamic.
You know, it was in between foiling and non foiling
conditions depending on where you were in the fleet, a
lot of bad air, and then later in the day
there was a bit more breezing. It was a bit
more simple to get the boat around the racetrack. And
you know, I think coming out of yesterday today is
looking like a much windier, more consistent type of day.
And again that sort of emphasizes doing the basics well,

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getting off the start line in decent shape, and then
just executing around the racecourse and chipping your way through
the fleet. We've shown a lot of potential in a
straight line and through the maneuvers, so I think as
a team were really confident that if we can execute
those around the race track, there's no reason why we
can't be cloing away at boats. Even in these early days, I.

Speaker 2 (01:57:36):
Get the feeling that there are a lot of different
ways to make improvements in these boats, you know, and
I wonder where you place your focus in order to
get the biggest bang for your buck, if you know
what I mean.

Speaker 17 (01:57:47):
Yeah, there's always priorities each night as a team and
then in between events as well. And for us as
a new team, we've got probably a lot of experience
in sailing the boat well in a straight line and
how you set the boat up as well as how
you execute the maneuvers. So I think for us right now,
the prioriti is not maybe so much diving into that
real fine detail of the data of how someone's nailing

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an attack slightly better than us. It's more about looking
at the bigger picture, and it's still laying the foundation
of our communication playbook and tactics around the race track
and who says what at different moments. You know, those
sort of big ticket items are low hanging fruit that
we can make really big gains if we make improvements
there day in and day out.

Speaker 2 (01:58:27):
The t foils, how did you enjoy sailing on those?

Speaker 4 (01:58:30):
Yeah, I've been loving them.

Speaker 16 (01:58:32):
You know.

Speaker 17 (01:58:32):
They were a real challenge, especially in the first couple
of days. But I feel like as a team We're
getting to grips with them pretty quickly and don't feel
too uncomfortable on them at all, and I'm excited by them.
I think it's another cool dynamic that the flight controllers
have to deal with in the league and I really
like it.

Speaker 2 (01:58:51):
Does it feel like a different boat?

Speaker 17 (01:58:53):
Yeah, in situations it does, especially how you control the boat.
I think if you're doing a good job of it,
the boats probably don't look too dissimilar from the outside,
but because everyone's still getting to terms with those slight differences,
it looks probably a bit looser and a little bit
different at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:59:09):
So when you look ahead and look at the season
as a whole. I'm sure you've discussed this internally, but
in terms of success for Brazil in your first sal
GP season, what are the metrics that you're going to
use to judge that?

Speaker 5 (01:59:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (01:59:22):
I think right now it's all about progression as a
team and just really trying to steep in that curve
as much as possible and you know, improve our understanding
of the boat and all those sort of fundamentals laying
the foundation still. But in terms of results as a
team personally, I think it's too early to set a
sort of a level we want to get to.

Speaker 6 (01:59:44):
Think.

Speaker 17 (01:59:45):
I think the potential is extremely high, and you know,
I wouldn't want to say a good season for us
would be coming seventh or eighth in this fleet, because
because I want to be winning events by the end
of the season, you know, and I do think the
potential is there. We've got so many good sailors in
the group, and my team's got all the qualities needed
to be as good as these other drivers in the fleet.

(02:00:05):
So yeah, that's part of the challenge, you know. That's
why I took this up, because it's just unknown where
we're going to get to, and I've got a lot
of hope for the team, and everyone's putting in the
hours needed to try and get us to the front.
So we just got to stick at it. It's not
going to be an easy trip to the front of
the fleet.

Speaker 9 (02:00:21):
It hasn't.

Speaker 17 (02:00:21):
It wasn't for anyone, including the Black Foils. Took us
a long time to get there in that team as well,
so we've been there before, and you just got to
keep sticking at it and keep trusting yourself and the
people around you and know that it'll come.

Speaker 2 (02:00:34):
Martin Grail I saw some footage and the latest racing
on the edge dock Ow and it gives you a
fantastic insight. She seems like a terrific sailor. What have
you found in terms of working alongside her?

Speaker 17 (02:00:49):
Yeah, it was funny. I think after that, after the
first event in Dubai, I had a phone call with
my team and I was just sort of saying to
how pleased I was coming out of that event. A
lot of her qualities and traits are very similar to
other top helmsmans that I've sailed with, including Pete himself,
and we had a discussion about how cool that is
and then also the challenges that come with some of

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those qualities of being a top helmsman and driver.

Speaker 9 (02:01:12):
You know.

Speaker 17 (02:01:13):
Yeah, but she's extremely determined, super motivated, and she's a
really fierce competitor, you know, and and she wants to
win for sure, So I know she's she's not going
to settle for anything less than that.

Speaker 2 (02:01:25):
And so GP goes to Rio as well this yearn
you imagine what that's going to be like.

Speaker 17 (02:01:30):
Yeah, I think it's like a fifth event on the calendar. Yeah,
it's going to be awesome. The all the Brazilians and
the team. You know, they're super excited for her and
they say, you know, they say, wait till you get
to Reo. It's just going to be crazy there on
the beach off a sugar loaf, and yeah, it'll be
a really cool event.

Speaker 2 (02:01:45):
Is it quite nice for you or is it handy
for you that the New Zealand League is early on
on the piece. You can get this out of the way.
You're not going to walk into the wrong tent that
sort of thing, you know, Is it quite nice to
have this out of the way. Yes?

Speaker 17 (02:01:58):
And no, you know, like I would have you know,
it would have been great as a team to have
a few more events under a belt before before the
offend event, I guess in one respect. But I mean
it's always such a privilege to race in front of family,
friends and the Keywi crowd. You know, they're so passionate,
and everyone here in sale GP is just you know,
you're walking around the Viada when you're cought area and

(02:02:18):
there's just sailing fans everywhere in the boats and the
basein there. There's people on along the fence lines just
cheering for the different teams and then seeing the crowd
in the grandstand yesterday was just unreal. So yeah, I
can't wait to get out there today with this forecast
and put on a really good show for them.

Speaker 2 (02:02:32):
Yeah, we can't wait either. Andy's thanks for our stopping
and all the best today and for the rest of
the sale GP season. Congrats on a great move. I
think it's terrific.

Speaker 3 (02:02:40):
Man.

Speaker 2 (02:02:40):
It says a lot about you. But yeah, thanks for
stopping for.

Speaker 4 (02:02:42):
A chat chure.

Speaker 2 (02:02:43):
Thanks, no, thank you, Andy, Andy Maloney there, he's the
flight controller now for the Brazil sale G team, having
transferred across from the New Zealand team, where I guess,
you know, you could say that he was, you know,
in a comfort zone of sorts, to a high performing
comfort zone, but one he wanted to get out of
and now in with the Brazil sal GP team. It's

(02:03:04):
eight to three News TALKSP.

Speaker 1 (02:03:07):
Well getting you closer to the action at sale GP
weekends forward with Jason Vine live from Win.

Speaker 9 (02:03:13):
You'd points News TALKSB.

Speaker 2 (02:03:15):
Two point fifty five on News Talks HEREB and that
brings to an end weekend sport for this weekend. It's
been an absolute delight, a pleasure to bring you the
show yesterday and today from sal GP in Auckland. If
you thank you's massive thanks to Natalie Fortier, Global Director
of Communications with sal GP for looking after us so well.
To the team at eight one eight without doubt, New

(02:03:39):
Zealand's leading entertainment and experience publicity agency, Chris Henry Bex
Martaletti and the team, thank you so much for all
of your assistance and pulling this together. Studio direction from
bevn DUA on site technical support, Liam Simpson, on site
production miscellaneous duties, Bryce Morris and Content Director Ben Humphrey.

(02:03:59):
It's been, as I say, a delight, a pleasure to
pull it all together for you and bring you the
color and the emotion of sale GP Orkland, which in
around an hour and five minutes will be back on
the water here at Waite Tamata Harbor. As far as
the song to take us out today, we'll go back
to nineteen eighty six, I think, or one of those
great songs that was put together whenever we had a

(02:04:21):
boat heading off to the America's Cup to compete. This
was KZED seven all the way back in the mid eighties,
sailing away, which we will do. We'll be back on
ited tomorrow night for sports Talk and back on Weekend Sport,
back in the I guess by that stage rather boring
old studio for Weekend Sport next weekend. It's been a
pleasure to bring you the show. I'm Jason Pine.

Speaker 4 (02:04:42):
Byf now ge up.

Speaker 9 (02:04:50):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Pine.

Speaker 1 (02:04:52):
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