Full Show Podcast: 25 January 2026

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Eddie Jones leads us off today the former England and
two time Wallaby's right be coach, now in charge of
Japan for the second time. What has he made of
the upheaval and the all Blacks coaching setup? Eddie Jones
standing by the chat to us, Plenty of time for
your reaction as well. Hate him, He's always got plenty
to say. Other matters around today quite a bit actually.

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After a catastrophic Ashes tour of Australia, doubts continue to
swirl about the future of former Black Cap skipper Brendan
McCallum as England cricket coach. How much heat is on
him John Norman at a talkSPORT in the UK on
that after one the two Sam's battled it out again
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Anui last night, this time over the mile. Sam Tanner,

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as you just heard in our news, won the race.
Sam Ruth set a new world record time for the
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both of them this afternoon. New Zealand has a new
racing superstar well Written, put her unbeaten record on the
line in the cut Acker million three year old race
at Allesley last night and delivered an explosive victory. Her

(01:56):
trainer Stephen Marsh, going to join us to reflect on that.
The Phoenix Women back in action this afternoon. They can
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in his fourth round encounter. We'll get You in Melbourne
with Dave Worsley. After one. The penultimate round robin matches
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Speaker 3 (03:23):
Us talks EDB ten days on. It's still the sports
story that everybody is talking about. The search for a
new All Blacks coach is underway, with New Zealand Rugby
parting ways with Scott Robertson after two years. How has
this development been received in elite rugby coaching circles. Well,
it's great pleasure to welcome into the show former England

(03:44):
and two time Wallaby's rugby coach and now for the
second time, the head coach of Japan heading into the
Rugby World Cup next year, Eddie Jones. Eddie, thanks for
joining us on Weekend Sport. How big a surprise was
it to you to hear of Scott robertson sacking ten
days ago?

Speaker 4 (04:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (04:05):
Look, any case, two years in an international career to
get sacked with a record that he's got or he'd
accumuated is a huge surprise, man. And as you know,
we don't know all the details, but it's a hard

(04:26):
one to fathom.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
You mentioned the record, they're seventy four percent. He wins
three out of every four test matches. Does that indicate
to you that this obviously goes beyond the results on
the field.

Speaker 5 (04:41):
It has to be, mate, it has to be. And
I think, yeah, they've been. They've been the thing that
I don't like about this mate. They've been pretty happy
to share certain things, but they're not happy to share
the real reason he's been sacked. I think, you know,
if they want to leave reports Styland and do all

(05:02):
that sort of business behind the scene, they should have
been up front say right, these are the reasons we're sacking.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
I heard you speaking on the Rugby Unity podcast and
really enjoyed your thoughts there. How did you assess the
rugby that the All Blacks played under Scott robertson these
last two years.

Speaker 5 (05:24):
Well, you know, if I'm really honest, I think, which
I try to be. I think New Zealand's been coming
off for a while, mate, you know, I think there's
still a really good team.

Speaker 6 (05:36):
Well, I think, you know.

Speaker 5 (05:38):
Since probably twenty nineteen, I think there's been a general
decline in the New Zealand rugby and I think part
of it is is the talent coming through, and I
think it's also the adjustment for the way the game
is putting played now it's definitely gone into a.

Speaker 7 (05:56):
More power contest, and we've seen the game.

Speaker 5 (06:00):
Evolved from having all out of play, you know, to
maybe forty minutes now to up to sixty minutes. It's
really turning the powered team. And New Zealand's always when
the team that's like continuity in their game, and I
think that, you know, the last period of time, it's
been a bit of a struggle for them to get
it right.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
So you believe the All Blacks are still in decline.

Speaker 5 (06:25):
Oh look, yeah, the client's are interesting word, mate, you
know when you're winning it. They were winning at eighty
percent worth and the most dominant team in the world
from twenty eleven to two thousand and ninety eight, So.

Speaker 6 (06:39):
That's the fair sting.

Speaker 7 (06:40):
And I think whenever you've had that clear period of dominance,
sometimes the next group of players coming through, the gap
between the players you've had and the players coming through
is there.

Speaker 5 (06:59):
And sometimes the younger guys because the team's struggling a bit,
take a little bit longer to reach their potential, which
is made happening at the moment. And there's also I
think the the coming of the Warriors has definitely the
talent in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Interesting point. I know that's been talked about a lot,
the preference for a lot of young players who like
the oval ball to go to rugby league rather than rugby.
You believe that's also a factor here historically anyway.

Speaker 5 (07:32):
I think I think it never used to be a
factor in New Zealand. If you're a kid growing up,
the only thing you wanted to do is play for
the All Blacks, right, And now there's generation change. People
generally want things a bit quicker than they than they
did before. And I think the Warriors have become a

(07:53):
great option for young kids. They can see they can
be famous, they can be rich, It creates a lot
of media stories.

Speaker 8 (08:02):
Now I think for some kids maybe that's become as
as good option for them as playing for the All Blacks,
which I think, yeah, is something that's gonna the New
Zealand's going to have to address very seriously.

Speaker 9 (08:16):
If you look at Australia, I don't think Australia address
that ever, took that problem as seriously as they should have,
and we've seen the decline in austrain RUGI and I
think New Zealand.

Speaker 7 (08:27):
Is potentially facing that.

Speaker 5 (08:29):
I'm not saying it's dead, and I think it's it's
maybe coming, and I think it's something that needs to
be looked at.

Speaker 7 (08:35):
Mate.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
Another subject you addressed on on Rugby Unity your podcast
was the end of season reviews. How much stock should
rugby bosses put in anonymous reviews of this type?

Speaker 5 (08:48):
Well, I see over the sea. Everyone's got performance directors
now they make a living out of out of viewing
other people's themes that that performance director should know it
should be regularly evaluating the environment, are giving feedback to

(09:09):
the coach because you give a coach a team and
you think he's the right person to coach the team, right,
and that person then doesn't suddenly become.

Speaker 10 (09:17):
A bad cag right, Very rare that happens.

Speaker 9 (09:21):
So of course you've got to do it end the
season evaluation.

Speaker 5 (09:25):
But the valuation should be continuous all the time, and
it should be support given in the coach if there's
areas to address, like as Wayne Smith said, you know
who is I think you speak to anyone in world
rugby And Wayne Smith is acknowledged as one of the
most knowledgeable, sincere, generous person and the comments that he

(09:47):
made about about Scott Robinson were absolutely spot on. There
are problems getting sort of help him sort it out
why sacking.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
The phrase player pow has been thrown around a lot too, Eddie.
Have you seen an increase in the influence of senior
players in particular and elite teams?

Speaker 5 (10:04):
Now, I reckon it's lesh mate. I can remember I
got my first coaching job right on the back of
player power I've met. I can remember leaving Grigan, Lark
and caf in the airport in Sydney and they did
the actual interview for the job, right, And that's the

(10:25):
ones who made the decision of news the Brumby's cap.
So yeah, I think there's always been player power and
I think player power is so important. What I don't like, mate,
is if it's done through a survey that is generally anonymous,

(10:46):
And I think all of those sort of things should
be sort of out during the course of the season.
And I think the involvement of the players is massively
important in rugby because it's a players game rugby. You know,
we don't have any intervention during the game as a coach,
so the players have got to run the game. So
I think it's really important that the players are involved

(11:09):
and heavily involved. But yeah, as I said, I don't
like this survey concituation.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
You also made a comparison with Manchester United, who had
that carried to prolonged success under Sir Alex Ferguson. Haven't
been able to replicate it since you can see some
parallels with the All Blacks and Manchester United.

Speaker 5 (11:29):
Well, I see, you know, no one's spoken much about
the effect of silverlight in this situation. I'm not saying
Silver Lake were involved in the decision, but the commercialization
of the All Blacks puts pressure on the two, you know,
And I saw it with Manchester United, but they signed

(11:50):
Ronaldo one week before the season, they'd already done their
pre season and then the cach had to put in
a completely new attack system on the back of the
Now they're doing a signed because he was obviously going
to sell a lot of a lot of shirts for them,
and for a company that's that's now maybe more worried
about profit than.

Speaker 11 (12:09):
Winning, that can become a factor.

Speaker 5 (12:11):
And has that been looked into him in New Zealand
Rugby the effect of silver.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
Are you interested in the All Blacks head coaching role?

Speaker 7 (12:20):
No?

Speaker 5 (12:25):
Well, you know, I love I've always loved New Zealand rugby.
I think you know Fron Australian growing up, you know
that was that was who.

Speaker 12 (12:33):
We looked at.

Speaker 5 (12:34):
We set our standards on beating New Zealand and you
know there's plenty of good New Zealand coaches. Is that job?
And I think you need someone who's in New Zealander there,
I certainly don't think you need a foreign coach.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
Well, we've enjoyed this foreign coaches analysis. Anie, thanks so
much for joining us across New Zealand.

Speaker 9 (12:55):
Good any mate, cheers mate.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
No cheers to you too. Any Anie Jones there, I'm
not sure where he is sounds like is it a
Sunday market or something. I think we could pick up
on what he was saying, though, good to get the
thoughts of of Ani Jones. Plenty of pick up on
there if you would like to, oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty. Look, you might not agree with Eddie Jones.
You might look at his coaching record and some of
the things he's overseen, the jobs he's held, the jobs

(13:19):
he's lost. You'll have your own view, but there's no
doubt he speaks his mind. Feel free to pick up
the phone and disagree with anything you heard there, or
to pass comments on what you heard there. I thought
there are a couple of really interesting points that he made.
The comments about the Warriors and the NRL and the
attraction of that as a professional pathway so interesting to me.

(13:41):
The fact that young men in our country and now
young women in our country have a choice of oval
ball code to chase their elite sporting dreams. Before nineteen
ninety five, yes you could play in the NRL, but
it would have to be with an Australian club. Since
the Warriors arrived, rugby league has become a pathway which

(14:01):
is now as attractive, if not more so, than a
professional rugby path way. And Eddie Jones they're picking up
on that. And you know, I've heard this mentioned by
a couple of others as well, that the that the
the players that the All Blacks coach has inherited are
not the players you know, on the whole anyway that

(14:23):
they developed. You know, the the the talent pool has
shrunk because there are other options now in a rugbig
league is the most obvious one for big, robust young men,
in particular in the All blacks case, who want to
play a contact sport, who want to play a sport

(14:45):
that that you know, covets power and you know and
and it. Yeah, as a contact sport effectively, you know,
they can go to rugby league if they want to.
They don't necessarily have to choose rugby union anymore. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. You might also want
to pick up on the discussion we had to cut
short yesterday about the coaching vacancy and where we go

(15:06):
from here with that. But lines are open on Eddie
Jones's thoughts. So eight hundred and eighty eight, Peter, good
afternoon to you.

Speaker 13 (15:13):
Well, I thought he summed it up beautifully. I remember
that it was the raiser when he was with the
Correct Crusaders and they weren't doing that well, and then suddenly,
miraculously things got imagine, you know, a lot better performance.

(15:35):
So what one wonders whether one's coaching strategy could be
based on, you know, on the behavior, if you like,
of how you try and deliver your coaching skills, or
whether it's the players that like to blame someone else

(15:55):
rather than themselves.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
I don't know, yeah, I mean, without knowing the details
of the end of year review. And I think a
lot of people have jumped at the conclusion that this
is and I've heard this phrase use a lot of
player power, but interesting to hear Eddie here say, well,
actually was the players who got me my one of
my jobs, the Brumbies job in the first place. And
so yeah, and look, if we make a comparison to

(16:18):
Ian Foster, has been widely reported and understood that you know,
when he was on the chopping block, that a number
of the senior players got together and kept him in
that job. So yeah, it's a it's a fascinating little dynamic.
And the fact that you know, we don't have quite
the player pool that we used to is also another
really pertinent point.

Speaker 13 (16:37):
I think, yes, well, I think the players, you know,
from my observation, I've never seen the players of lack
you know, confidicts and you know with some gamis and
the results. You know, I've never seen that before in
recent times. Would you agree?

Speaker 14 (16:54):
No?

Speaker 3 (16:55):
I would? I would. Yeah, I look at I look
at twenty twenty five and you say, look, it's not
going to go down as one of the great all
Blacks years, is it. You know, Look, we haven't won
a World since twenty fifteen, so you know, but then
having said that, we didn't one of my for twenty
four years, do we? But look at yeah, look, I
think under Raiser, like you know, at the risk of

(17:16):
repeating in going over old ground, you know, there hadn't
been enough improvements in the two years with him at
the Helm for there to be any sort of confidence
that we were on track for twenty twenty seven. And
that's I think what David Kirk outlined when he when
he spoke to this issue ten days ago.

Speaker 15 (17:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (17:32):
Well, one just wonders, you know, with all the expertise
you have, you know and coaching, can that sort of
take away the confidence that players need to have confidence
in themselves, you know, just generally.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
Good point, Peter, thanks for kicking us off, mate, Good
to chat to you. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is our number. Hello, Douggie, Hey going buddy.

Speaker 16 (17:54):
Good to hear again, Chris. Look, Eddie Jones as a
guy all New Zealanders in sport we'll always listen to
because he he's he's in it, he's been through it,
he knows how to deal with it and that's why
we're all glued on the radio this morning or this afternoon.

(18:17):
Look what I'm about to say is I believe it's
the center of where everything is at right now. When
you choose a CEO to represent the biggest corporate sporting
outfit in the country, maybe even some parts of the world,

(18:39):
you've got to get the guy, You've got to get
the decision right. You've got to get the right person
for the job. Now, from the outset under Mark Robinson,
we were all exposed to the quarter Nata story where
she was abused by Glenmore and the subsequent fallout of

(19:01):
the committee that was set up to investigate that, and
the outcome of that was they suggested that there was
the certain people from within that rugby union were to
step down after a certain amount of time.

Speaker 15 (19:15):
That never happened.

Speaker 16 (19:16):
They went against Mark Robinson's decision was to not go
with that decision, And then you had the Silverlights. Then
you had the manner manner and how in the way
in which Scott Robinson was chosen, and then subsequently allowing

(19:40):
him to do a two part documentary on himself to
try and move back the public.

Speaker 11 (19:46):
On his side.

Speaker 16 (19:47):
All of those things ended up going against where we're
at today. If you look at if you look at
our junior our junior grades, you know there's there's nothing
in the in the sevens, or the or the men's
and women's or the second schools.

Speaker 6 (20:10):
To be proud of.

Speaker 16 (20:11):
The secondary schools in particular, we've had two or three
of the worst years you could ever have in New
Zealand's secretary school men's rugby.

Speaker 15 (20:20):
We've been, we've been, we've been.

Speaker 16 (20:22):
Taken out by the Aussies and no one seems to
have done anything about it. And when you're in control
of a of a sport like rugby New Zealand and
you've got the people in there to do and get
things done, they did nothing. That's what it seemed like
to us, and losing was acceptable. And then on top

(20:47):
of that we have a point that he bought that
Eddie Jones brought up about New Zealand Warriors. Two years
in a row, twenty of the best up and coming
under twenty players in New Zealand rugby signed over with
the Warriors development and nothing was done about it.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
It's a choice. That's that's a choice they dug, isn't it.
That's a personal choice.

Speaker 16 (21:14):
Well, you no no, it's a point about what I'm
bringing up with. Eddie Jones said, that's.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
All, yeah, bringing no totally. Oh look, I totally agree
that the choice is there for them, but I'm not
sure that that the CEO of New Zealand Rugby can
apart from make rugby a more attractive pathway. Can can
you convince every single young up and coming young sportsman
to go on their pathway?

Speaker 16 (21:35):
I understand, Chris. I'm simply saying he was in charge,
that there, there are there, I've got a list. There
are a number of things that happened whilst he was
in charge that got to the point where we're looking
right now that two a week ago Scott Robertson was
sacked and that was that that had that came as

(21:56):
from from David Kirk. I know those who played with
David Kirk in the seventies and the eighties, we know,
we know the type of player he was, right and
he is as he's going to be as good a
CEO or Boston New Zealand Rugby as he was the
player in Auckland Club Senior Club Rugby, as he was

(22:16):
in the or Blacks, and as he was for the Auckland.
So you're going to get a guy, a no mark
around guy. He's not going to put his name up
at risk foot to the public. He's going to get
things done. Unfortunately, we're at a point now where Scott's
gone for whatever reasons. The red flag started with Leon.

(22:37):
There was there was dramas inside there right up to
the Test at Auckland against South Africa. They had to
win it. Sorry if it might have been Australia was
it and then they went to Wellington. Right now, in
that week from Auckland to Wellington, Scott Hansen came out
and said, along with Scott Robertson said Ricc o' whanney

(23:00):
was has under performed for a number of times. He's
been dropped right. So in the next Test and when
they're sitting in the stands and musty right, the All
Blacks lost, but the greatest mark they've ever lost at
a home series against All Rica. I felt for Rico
that day and he should never ever been put in
that position.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
Dougie, I have to move You made a lot of
good points. I do have to move on. But yeah,
look the point that you'd made about the young players
in a different pathway is a pertinent one. Absolutely. David
Kirk's role in all of this also, as you say,
is going to be important. It's such an interesting little dynamic.

(23:42):
David Kirk isn't the CEO of New Zealand Rugby. He
is the chair of the board and depending on who
holds positions like the chair and the CEO, the level
of involvement it is and can be very different. At
the moment, of course, David Kirk has to step into
that leadership board because we don't have a CEO. He's
acting effectively like one. Boards are about strategy, not operation,

(24:07):
but David Kirk effectively is in the operational side of
the business at the moment because we don't have a CEO.
We talked a bit about that yesterday and why we
can't get one, but that's perhaps a topic for another day.
I eight hundred eighty ten eighty anyone anything that you
picked up on from Eddie Jones's interview, hard not to

(24:29):
disagree s his debts within his comments about League and
the Warriors. As somebody who played and watched rugby for
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(25:20):
Is it that is me? John? Hello? Yeah, I'm very good.

Speaker 11 (25:25):
Thanks.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
Right.

Speaker 17 (25:28):
You know what the problem is with Scott Robinson?

Speaker 3 (25:36):
You tell me John.

Speaker 17 (25:39):
Ardie Survey why so, Well, he's he told them that
he wouldn't play for the All Blakes again if Scott
Robinson was the coach.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
Well, we don't know that, John. It's been reported that
that was a conversation. We don't know that to be true.

Speaker 17 (25:59):
We don't know to be true. No, why don't you
bring him up and asking ask.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
Gard Well, I think he's in Japan at the moment,
so he might not be Look, I'm sure that when
Ardie Savier comes back and does media again back here,
he'll be asked that question. Absolutely, yeah, and he wouldn't.

Speaker 17 (26:17):
He wouldn't be a decent player, wouldn't be any as
near as good as Richie McCaw.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
Yeah, I'm not sure that that comparison's necessarily relevant, John,
I think you put anybody in that sentence and say
this guy isn't as good as Richie McCaw. I think
Ardie Savia is certainly one of the best players in
the world, and I think he's become unfairly a scapegoat
in all of this. He was asked, along with twenty

(26:49):
other players, for his honest feedback on what had happened
in the last calendar year as part of an end
of season review, and he gave those thoughts. Some of
those thoughts have been I guess you'd say, leaked out
into the media may be twisted to suit a certain narrative,

(27:11):
and people have said, Okay, you know, have have come
to the very simple conclusion as you have, John, that
Artie Save was saying, if you don't get rid of
the coach, I'm not going to play. I find it
very hard to believe that that is true. A guy
who's played over one hundred test matches for the All
Blacks deciding that he wouldn't want to play anymore because
of you know, he wasn't a big fan of the coach.

(27:34):
Artie Save has played for a lot of rugby teams
and I'm sure some coaches he's liked more than others.
But it seems to me the thing he likes most
of all is playing rugby, and most of all the
black fern on him. Thanks for your call, John, I
appreciate it. Hello Phil Blindy.

Speaker 6 (27:50):
How are you good?

Speaker 3 (27:50):
Things feel good?

Speaker 18 (27:53):
I got about three points and then one little one
at the end on player's coaches. Sorry thing, but I'm
just going to say joke. He maybe Artie's having a
chat with Eddie Jones over there.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
I think actually I think Eddie might be. I might
be in Sydney at the moment I hear that. Yeah,
that's how we could get the time, We get the
time right. But yeah, I'm sure they've bumped into each other. Phil,
I'm sure they've bumped into each other.

Speaker 18 (28:17):
That was that was really interesting. I really enjoyed that. Actually,
yesterday when you said you were going to be talking
to him, I was looking forward to it today to
see what he had to say. And I agreed with
a lot of what he said. Done. This is the
sort of three points and then I'll get onto my
coaching thoughts. I thought great point that he said that
maybe at we haven't got the same player standard at

(28:42):
the moment as we had done in the past, but
it is developing and it will be there again. But
we just need that time again, you know, because you've
got guys like Faby and the big Locke who I think,
you know, he'll become a superstar for us, and other
players in there as well showing the same sort of
glimpse of the talent. So maybe it's just a time

(29:04):
thing to get those players to be as good as
the ones that we had in the past. So I
thought that was a good point and head and I
thought another fantastic point by him was really good. Point
was about the comments that Wayne Smith said and saying that, well, look,
if Raise is struggling, get someone there there to help
him rather than boot him out. Get someone in there
to help him as well, and get in the organ

(29:25):
And I thought it was a great point. The other
thing that I was gonna trying to think what was
the other thing I was going to say? It to
escape my mind at the moment. But maybe I'll talk
about the coach and I'll come coach and it'll come back.
I think I agreed with Eddie Jones saying I don't
think we need to look for an overseas coach because
I think we've got plenty of talent in New Zealand
or New Zealand coaches that can do it. You know,

(29:47):
I thinking that guys like Smith as well. You know
that people were talking about Dave Rennie. I'd like to
get Wayne Smith if he wanted to get him involved
again in the organization of it, if it's not coaching,
but has been involved in it. So what was I
trying to think about? Something else? I was going to
say too about damn it, that's.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
Right, I feel I think you've I think you've made
a couple of couple of person and points and the
Wayne Smith One's interesting. I'm not sure whether you've picked
up on the news this morning that's been reported that
Sir Wayne Smith is leaving New Zealand Rugby. He's he's
been working or was appointed as a performance coach in
twenty twenty three. That was a sort of a part
time role, working initially with the Black Ferns and then

(30:29):
also the All Blacks. He is often brought in. It
seems like a bit of a as needed kind of
role for Sir Wayne Smith. He's come in and he's
basically helped out where needed. It's almost like there's a
secret line to his house and you ring him up
when you need a little bit of outside guidance. But
that is going to come to an end and it's

(30:52):
got nothing to do. It's just that it's completely coincidental
with the with the departure of Scott robertson as All
Blacks head coach. Although Wayne Smith was, you know, in
a statement that he provided to media sad for Scott
roberts and blindsided a bit by the news of a sacking,
but this is thought to be entirely coincidental. He is

(31:14):
preparing to head overseas this year to a senior coaching
leadership role at a professional club that is still confidential
about where that will be. But yes, Sir Wayne Smith,
this is reported in the Herald this morning is leaving
New Zealand Rugby for a new overseas role. Thanks for
your call, PHILP. Good as always, Roger High.

Speaker 17 (31:33):
Oh hi Jason.

Speaker 9 (31:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (31:35):
Look of all the things, all the theories that have
been put forward, there's one that hasn't been really thought through,
discussed much and to me, I think it's a major
one is that.

Speaker 17 (31:48):
Herber the coach. What is or was Scott Robinson.

Speaker 19 (31:51):
It's not a level playing for the South Africans. Test
players play overseas on that they must be available for
the South African Test team. We have Richie Mwonga and
who else overseas never plays for the aubracks when they're overseas,
so it's a totally un level playing field. Imagine if
Richie Moonger had been available developing your relationship with Cam

(32:11):
Roygard that we have been the best first five half
back combination in the world. The back line would have
benefited as a result and therefore the results would have
been coming through. Instead, Scott Robinson was left with experimenting
with players Damian McKenzie whoever, and it just didn't slow.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
Yeah. Look, Roger, I know the point you're making about,
you know, overseas players and Richie as a great current
example of that. Yeah, I'm not sure you're experiencing that
much when you're using Damien McKenzie and and Bowden Barrett
too highly accomplished first fives. What it has done is
continued the conversation about whether whether the All Blacks coach
should be allowed to pick players from overseas. Scott Robertson

(32:51):
was clearly a big fan of that, largely because he
wanted to get Richie Muwonga Bay back after having such
a such a strong relationship with them at the Crusaders.

Speaker 13 (33:00):
Everyone can give you why a cant why aren't we.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
Well, the answer is around the answers around super rugby, Roger,
and fears of what that would do to our super
rugby competition if you let players go, because we can't
possibly compete with the big money available overseas. So the
dilution of our super rugby competition is the big fear
and the big reason why that policy is in place.
And I don't think we'll change.

Speaker 17 (33:23):
Yeah, well, we won't get number one on the world
under that circumstance.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
Yeah, you're not the only one who has that view, Roger.
You're not the only one who has that view. It's
going to be a live conversation for a while. The
last I heard from Chris Lendra on the head of
the Professional Game was that they had no intent, you know,
no motivation at the moment to have a look at it.
They're going to keep things as they are, the status quo.
But never say never, Roger, never say never. Good to

(33:47):
hear from you, Richie Morden And of course coming back
next year, so he will be available this year. In fact,
he will be available for the All Blacks seventeen away
from one. We'll keep the lines open until one before
we move. There's a spear one there if you want
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Speaker 20 (34:12):
Allan Hi, mate, Yeah, had doing good yep. David Kirk
seems to be the one that that's sack. Is he
going to put his job on the line if the
next coach doesn't win the World Cup. I mean, Razor
was never given the chance.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Block.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
I know what you're driving at, Allen. Yeah, Look, he's
he's obviously going to going to going to find out
whether it was a good decision or not over the
next couple of years. I guess. Look, clearly, I think
he just made the decision based on the evidence of
now thought that the words he used and I'm sure
you've heard them, trajectory, we're not on track, decided that

(34:54):
they would pull the pin and go in a different
direction with the next World Cup looming. So yeah, well
he will he fall on his sort of that when
I doubt it. But but yeah, he's obviously made the
decision with the evidence available to Yeah.

Speaker 20 (35:07):
True. And another thing, Tony Brown. I like Tony Brown.
There's people saying, you know, like he should come back
in to be if Jamie Joseph gets in, but you know,
like to come straight from South Africa straight into the
All Blacks, would that be? Would that be right? I mean,
apparently Rais has got a twelve month stand down period.

(35:29):
Why would people expect him to be able to come
straight from South Africa to coach against them.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
Yeah, great point, Ellen, And you've probably heard that he
said he's not going to, But you're right, I mean
contract Yeah, contractually, you're right. Contractually, maybe he's not able
to because here they talk about that what do they
call it, ip intellectual property that he would bring.

Speaker 20 (35:49):
Well, you wouldn't think he'd be able to, especially when
with the tour of South Africa coming up. I mean,
you know, being a coach coaching part of the All
Blacks basically straight away into his old team. I mean
that would be really bizarre.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
Yeah, it would look I think the only way that
he would be able to as of South Africa. Let him.
We had a bit of a chat about this yesterday,
and Tony Brown wants to coach the All Blacks at
some stage. But I get the feeling him at the moment.
I think you'll probably stay where he is, Ellen and
try and get South Africa a third straight World Cup
and then see where the you know, see where the
dice fall after that.

Speaker 20 (36:22):
Well, I think you've got a better chance of winning
the World Cup the South Africa than mate, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
I think you might be right, Ellen, I think you
might be right at the moment. Thanks for your call, Joe.

Speaker 17 (36:30):
Hi.

Speaker 15 (36:31):
Yeah, I think when we need to go back to
a few years ago, we needs to high Joe.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
I want to hear what you're saying, mate, But are
you You sound like you're in a bit of a
wind tunnel. I'm just going to see if Andy can
get you a slightly bitter place. We'll come back to
you because I want to hear your thoughts. Tony, Hello, Hi,
the left thing.

Speaker 21 (36:55):
But I think basically the all blacks of stuff, this
is World Cup.

Speaker 13 (36:58):
Why not we just.

Speaker 21 (37:01):
A point an insurance team manager. But they're not going
to need to a point a coach as in the
present circumstances unless we know who the bloody CEO is.
That's that's the order of things. That's the way it
should be. My backgrounds in management, I mean you start
at the top with governors. The board needs to get

(37:22):
his eyes and.

Speaker 17 (37:22):
To get it.

Speaker 21 (37:23):
But I think they're doing quite a right with the
new chairman of the board and but they've got to
have a CEO then to appoint a team But I
think it should be a team manager. At this level
of their careers. They shouldn't need bloody coaching. They should
be coached already.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
Yeah, Tony, I think they still need to have a coach.
This is the All Blacks. They still need a coach.

Speaker 21 (37:46):
He's a forward coach and a backward coach and an
intermediate coach or as well as a head coach. They
need a manager to manage the coaches.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
Yeah, and like I get what you say about the CEO,
and clearly the CEO and the and the All Blacks
head coach have to have a very good working relationship.
But look, I think one of the issues is that
they have and find the CEO. It's been a six
month search that hasn't hasn't hasn't actually been successful.

Speaker 21 (38:12):
So yeah, probably because the tuble, because all's going to
check that job and then this they know who they're
going to get loans as the present system, the coach.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
Yeah, checking an egg, isn't it, Tony? You know which one?

Speaker 11 (38:24):
Do you?

Speaker 3 (38:24):
All point? First? I think they'll go ahead with the
coach groupment. In fact, they have to, you know, someone's
going to take the All Blacks into twenty twenty six.
Hopefully they can find a CEO quickly as well. Thanks Tony,
got your back, Joe. We can hit you much better.

Speaker 6 (38:35):
Yeah, that's okay.

Speaker 17 (38:36):
Point of yeah.

Speaker 15 (38:37):
I think that the problem mat would be would been
picking players out of position, and look at work Patana
and Manger to go from one to sender and he
was one of the ones that worked. I think that
we should go there should be going back to picking players.
If you if you make your all backs at first
five eight, you make your backs for first five AGAs
we've got three or four first five eighths, and you're

(39:00):
the fourth first five eight, you miss out. You miss
out for this. We're trying to change them now. Don't
get me wrong. Jorgie Felts made a reasonable job at
secting five eight, but he got picked from your backs
a fullback. Damian mckingsey got picked at fullback. Will Jordan
got picked the fullback. We played them on the wings
because I think we're trying to we're trying to look
after all the players, because you're scared we're got to
go away. So they go, oh, what we'll do is

(39:22):
we'll well, we'll come back from them and of them. Yeah,
it's not a thing. It's not if you get picked Tiney.
If you and me are playing on the left wing
and you get picked ahead of me and I miss out.
That's tough as far as I'm concerned. And if Damian
mckings and Missus ol both and Barness is out at
five age or which you were one on, Missus out
five eight, that's just hard ruck. That's what we need

(39:43):
to be going back to. And I think you know
that's the way to go. It's you pick your three,
your two players for you, your two wingers or your
two centers, and that's what you stick with. I think
we've been chopping and changing too much to accommodate those
and going, oh, because you've come in and played one
or two big tists against weak opposition, we think it's

(40:05):
at all work. It works for a certain player that
you you might be roucky. He can play through positions.
Now will Jordan's probably one we're very lucky with. I
don't think George. I think Jordan Barrett Barrett would be
better at Fulbert and that's why he was picked. And
and that's how I look at it. So so from
from now on, and you picked the guys you have

(40:28):
two in each in each position, or two or three,
whatever you want, and that's how you picked them. If
you picked three hookers, you picked three hooks. If you're
the fourth cooker and you're Tony Taylor and you miss out,
you miss that's so.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
Yeah, No, Joey good points, well made good to get
you back on mate.

Speaker 11 (40:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
Look, you look at at coaches and their different views.
You know, Razor always played Will Jordan at fullback at
the Crusaders, so he was always going to pick him
at full back in the All Blacks. I'm not sure
that that it was an overriding success, particularly under the
high ball. You know, one coach's you know, starting players,
another coaches fringe player. It's a it's a yeah. I

(41:06):
think just a fact of elite sport, Isn't it appreciate
you called Joey seven to one. US talks MB.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
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Speaker 3 (41:18):
US Talks MB from Tom on Tex. Loved Eddie's perspectives
priced it wasn't keen on the job. He made a
good point about these reviews being undertaken without anonymity. We'd
love to see the list of players interviewed as id
He said there was no process followed. New Zealand Rugby
interviewed some players then sacked. Rays are no pastoral care
or improvement plan. Bottom line is the All Blacks aren't
the team they were and no longer the best in
the world, no longer produced the best players, So how

(41:40):
can we expect perfection from them and from the coach?
Thank you for that time, Thank you for all your
cause and correspondence after one, How much heat is Brendan
McCullum under.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
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Speaker 3 (42:04):
Hi there, welcome into Weekend Sport on News Talk, said
d I'm Jason Pine, Andy McDonald here as well. We're
here till three. Almost forgot what time the show ended
there for a moment. We're here until three. Erica says,
how much longer are we going to talk about the
All Blacks coach thing? Well, probably until we get a
new one. Erica, We'll take a break from it now.
Though I appreciate your text appreciate all your texts, there's

(42:25):
still heaps of different layers to this coming through. It
doesn't seem to have reached anywhere near the end of
its life this conversation, but we will knock it on
the head for now. No doubt there'll be more to come.
Someone has asked what the time frame is. We don't know,
but we're told that tomorrow will get that information. Steve Lancaster,
who is interim CEO of New Zealand Rugby, is set

(42:45):
to outline the recruitment process, which presumably will include a
potential timeline as well. Speaking to Gregor pauland Tony Johnson yesterday,
really fascinating discussion on the show yesterday, and they were
both of the view that you know, we can't rush this,
even though time is kind of of the essence. Super

(43:05):
Rugby is about to get underway. There are test matches
in July. Both made the point that look, whoever gets
the job is probably going to be watching every moment
of Super Rugby anyway, regardless of whether they get the
job or not. That's just kind of the person we're after.
So they were both of the view that we need
to make sure we get the appointment right. And I
think that's obviously what you want in any recruitment process.

(43:28):
What do they say are no hire is better than
a bad higher I'm not saying Scott Robinson was a
bad high, not at all, but they'll take their time
over this one. We'll find out tomorrow. We're told about
the process. Coming up to see our James mcconey is
always on a Sunday with his irreverent look at the
sporting issues of the day. We'll get your live to

(43:48):
Melbourne where Day eight of the Australian Tennis Open is
about to get underway. Dave Worsley is there. He'll break
down what's happened over the last twenty four hours or
someone and look ahead to some pretty intriguing matchups on
day eight, both in the afternoon session and to as well.
And very shortly we're off to the UK where another coach,

(44:13):
another key WE coach, is coming under pressure. Brandon McCullum
after a very very ordinary Ashes series for England is
starting to get the heat put on them. But just
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(44:36):
Missouri Magicians up against the Northern Brave Women in the
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in the third over, thirty without loss. Just what can
and Tash Wakelan out there getting the northern side, the

(44:59):
Brave off to a good start. Oh, eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is our number as always, nine two
nine two if you would prefer to correspond by text.
After a less than ideal Ash's tour of Australia, conjecture
continues to swirl about the future of Brendan McCullum as
England cricket coach. A win for Australia, a remarkable win, a.

Speaker 22 (45:27):
Memorable win, perhaps a famous win, and the pack of
Mitchell Stark setting it up with ten wickets and a
master class. A counter attack from Tavias Head is struck
like a lightning vault.

Speaker 23 (45:41):
Australia draws first flight.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
They go one Miller, yeah, and for one, of course,
the final scorer in the five match Ash's series. Couple
of those Test matches finishing well inside the allotted time.
Brendan mullum for New Zealand Skipper, of course, is contracted
until the end of the twenty twenty seven fifty over
World Cup, but recent results have thrown his future into doubt.
So just how much heat is on Brendan McCullum to

(46:06):
find Outlets bring in Talk Sport Cricket editor and presenter
of the excellent Following on Cricket podcast, John Norman. John,
thanks for chatting to us about this. What the benefits
of a bit of hind sight in some distance? What
is the overall feeling among the England cricketing public after
the recent eshes in Australia.

Speaker 24 (46:27):
Well, it's an interesting question and really still yet to
be definitively answered. I've never experienced or encountered or you know,
essentially heard as much anger as what came out of
the traditional England cricket fan base. Is what occurred after
that two day Test defeat at Perth, because most observers

(46:52):
saw that for what it was, it was an golden opportunity,
a once in a lifetime opportunity, certainly a once in
a career opportunity for England to win a live ashes
Test in Australia, put Australia on the back foot and essentially,
you know, be in control of the narrative. Of the
pressure and essentially be on the front foot in Australia.

(47:17):
The way that they essentially shot themselves in both feet
with bat and then with ball and in the field,
you know, was sickening.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
To go from a position.

Speaker 24 (47:25):
Where essentially they were heavy favorites after fourth sessions and
to have lost the Test match after six is almost
unheard of.

Speaker 23 (47:34):
So that's where we were.

Speaker 24 (47:37):
Did things get any better from that point onwards? No,
not really. You know, there's no disgrace of losing a
pinkball Test that the gap against Australia and England did
exactly that, but then to go on and continually make
mistakes in all three facets of the game, and you
could throw the fourth batset in captain seeing coaching selection

(47:58):
in there as well. It's not quite unforgivable because England
teams don't win in Australia. But essentially they got it wrong.
They got it wrong on the field, which you can
just about accept, but they also got it wrong off
the field, and that's where it's slightly more difficult to
accept the mistakes that have been made. So Britta McCullum

(48:22):
is looking like he could well be the full guy,
and if not, for the fact that he signed this
deal which takes him up to twenty twenty seven, as
you say, which incorporated both red ball and white ball
and pinball cricket, then maybe, just maybe, especially when you
throw in the close proximity between the end of the
Ashes and the start of the TEA twenty World Cup,

(48:42):
maybe he'd already be gone by now. So there is
a lot of pressure on the coach, fairly or unfairly.
That's where the sites have been set alongside Rob Key of.

Speaker 6 (48:52):
Course, who hired.

Speaker 24 (48:54):
Him, and the feeling is that unless England performed very
very well at the T twenty World Cup, then his
position will continue to be under scrutiny.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
All records since he was given that job or all
the jobs about a year ago. Isn't great as an
England crashed out of the fifty over Champions Trophy without
winning a game the T twenty World Cup though T
twenty is probably England's best format at the moment, So
I mean you've kind of outlined it. How vital is
a good showing in India next month for Brendan McCallum's future.

Speaker 24 (49:28):
I think it's very very important England have actually been
given a huge helping hand today. By the way, news
that Bangladesh will not play in the T twenty World
Cup means that England should almost certainly qualify past the
group stages. They were in a position where, you know,
if they'd lost to Bangladesh or the West Indies, their
net run rate could have come in to play and

(49:51):
you know, and it's a bit of a lossary from
there and then so they'll be breathing a sigh of
release there. They just have to perform well. You know,
they could win it ugly fight. Then you suffice if
they play well and lose or fall at the final
herd or to a much stronger Indian team, you know,
or you know, a strong and very confident Australian team

(50:14):
even there I say, a South Africa who've got a
fearsome side themselves. If they were to do that, then
you know, then may be the decision will be made
to keep him where he is. But if England were
to struggle in that series, it would just give more
ammunition basically to those who want to see change. I
don't think it's just about the results. So I think

(50:35):
it's about will Brendan McCullum accept change. No one's expecting
him to suddenly, you know, adopt a school teacher kind
of approach to coaching. And indeed there's been some changes
already with the announcement of a full time bowling coach,
Troy Cooley's coming back into the fold. There's a fielding
coacher out in Sri Lanka.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
So that's two.

Speaker 24 (50:56):
Changes that have been enforced and accept it, you imagine, right,
But came Brendon Colum Becolum really changed the way he
goes about coaching this England team. So there's success on
the field for sure, but there's also an understanding that
things do need to change above the eleven that takeing
their place down of the field. And it's just a

(51:18):
question of whether Brendan McCullum can mirror up an upturn
in fortunes on the field and also bring through maybe
a more professional way of running this team. But both
of the both of those things have got huge question
marks attached to them in regard to whether they were

(51:38):
actually or not.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
And I guess that's the big question, right John, you know,
if he stays, how much pressure will come on him
or even when they make the decision to retain him
or not, how much will that be dependent on his
willingness to change that approach you just say, the cavalier
approach on the field to test cricket and the rather

(52:00):
relaxed approach often how much pressure will Bringha McCullum come
under to effect change in those areas.

Speaker 5 (52:10):
Well.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
We can't have.

Speaker 24 (52:11):
Any more Harrybrook bouncer situations that came out of New Zealand, right,
I mean, that kind of story can't happen anymore. Indeed,
you know England go to South Africa at the end
of the year they play hosts in New Zealand, as
I'm sure you're aware, and Pakistan. It's a lot of
cricket to be played and there's a lot of mistakes
that could be made right and they can't afford to

(52:31):
slip up because if there are any more slip ups
like that, it just points to a culture problem as
much as anything else. So there's so many variables in there,
you know, there's so many things that could essentially go wrong,
from Brenda McCullum's willingness to change to results, from the
pitch changing for the better and for the players all

(52:52):
behaving themselves. I'll throw one else in there as well,
The relationship between Ben Stokes and Brenda McCullum has been
absolutely water tight, but they joined forces and you could
throw Rob Key in there as well as a threesome.

Speaker 17 (53:06):
If there are.

Speaker 24 (53:07):
Any cracks between Stokes and McCullum, that will be a
huge problem because Stokes isn't going anywhere okay. And if
Stokes suddenly feels like he can continue England without McCullum,
either unofficially or officially, then that was spelled big problem
for McCullum because as things stand, the ECB may be

(53:30):
willing or keen to affect change at the top, but
if they're going to take their captain out at the
same point, if their relationship is still as it was,
they're not going to do anything. They're not going to
move that dial. So again it's about Stokes as well.
There's so many elements to all this it makes for
fascinating viewing. One thing I will say is though winning

(53:51):
covers up a myriad of problems and a myriad of issues.
England have just won, okay, They've just been Sri Lanka.
Normally that wouldn't really matter too much, but it matters
a huge deal. Can they continue winning if they win
this year. If they perform well in the T twenty
Series next week and then go and make a good
fist of things in the T twenty World Cup, that

(54:13):
will reduce the pressure on Brendan McCullum. He can then
go away and he, Stokes and Key can work out
where it went wrong, work out how they fix it.
They come back and then they take on New Zealand
in June. If they get off to a good start
and beat New Zealand, then I think the feeling will
be at the ECB. Well, let's let this play out

(54:35):
till twenty twenty seven next year. It's only twelve months away,
and then we'll make a change. And in fairness to Brendan,
he's getting a lot of stick. But let's not forget
Inglid were fantastic for a good eighteen months under he
and Stokes. You know, they changed everything about the cricket
that was being played.

Speaker 16 (54:51):
The results.

Speaker 24 (54:51):
There was an uptick in fortunes and they brought a
lot of new fans to test cricket. That's what it's
all about. So you know, we can't have revisionist history here.
They've done a lot of good things. It's gone bad,
but you got the feeling that if he wants to
and to you should be able to affect the change
and try and right the wrongs of the last twelve
months to eighteen months.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
Brilliant summary of a very intriguing little chapter in English. Cricket.
John always great to chat mate, Thanks for joining us
across New Zealand. Really appreciate it.

Speaker 24 (55:22):
Oh absolutely, Jason. It's always great to chat to you
and listen to you as well because we do get
the A League over here, so I'm always interested to
hear a commentary of Wellington and Auckland and also just
to send my best wishes to everyone affected by the
horrendous scenes that we saw from Mount Montganui in the
last seven days. It's a place that I've been on
regular occasion thanks to the cricket and my New Zealand family.

(55:45):
We were there just thirteen months ago and walked around
that track as well. So yeah, it's his heartbreaking to
see what's been going on. So thoughts with any of
you listeners that are affected.

Speaker 3 (55:55):
Yeah, good man, John, great to every on the radio.
Was always mate, be safe. That's John Norman out of
talkSPORT in the UK, always with his finger on the
pulse of cricketing matters and and all English sporting matters.
So you might not have caught up with that news.
I'm sure you have it. Bangladesh won't play in the
T twenty Cricket World Cup. They didn't want to go
to India to play their matches for obviously political reasons,

(56:17):
so they're out. They have been replaced by Scotland in
the T twenty Cricket World Cup. So England, as John mentioned, now,
the beneficiaries of that are the way the format of
the tournament works is there are four groups of five.
You play everybody in your group, and then the top

(56:38):
two in each group go through to the super eights
and then there's a bit of a mix and match
and you play the teams you haven't played all that
sort of thing. Anyway, you're getting out of your groups
the first thing. So you got to finish in the
top two. While Bangladesh was there, they would have been
the stiffest opposition for England, along with the West Indies
in their group, which is Group C. Now in Group C,
England have to play the West Indies, Nepal, Scotland and Italy.

(57:03):
Look if they can't get out of that group, or
maybe Brendan mcallums should go if they can't get out
of that group. Just on Brandon McCallum.

Speaker 23 (57:14):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
I just maybe it's just because I mean the English
you know, the English media alike, they just seize upon anything.
And yes, there are mistakes made on that Ashes tour
on and off the field, but Brenda McCullum has been
unashamedly unapologetic about the fact that this is the way
we're going to play the test game. Yes, we might
need to tweak it on occasion. I think that's probably pragmatic.

(57:37):
But look, I think Rob Walter's coming and done a really,
really good job for New Zealand. But when Gary Stead's
resignation became apparent, there was a huge amount of not
necessarily clamor, but a lot of people would have taken
Brenda mcallum as the new black Caps coach. And who knows,
in the future, that might be something that he does

(57:58):
if we end up splitting our coaching responsibilities, maybe he
could do the white ball stuff. I don't know, but
I still think Brenda McCallum would be would be a
really good black Caps coach. I think that you know,
he just yes, this hasn't gone right for him, and
I think the fact that he's probably very laid back,

(58:18):
it looks as though he doesn't really care him too
much about it. But the way that he revolutionized the
Test game with England and brought Test cricket, not just
the England team, but Test cricket into the spotlight again
when it was in a bit of a bit of
a state of the doldrums. If we're honest, he reinvigorated

(58:39):
Test cricket through his England side. It was always going
to you know, always going to come a cropper at
some stage. It was just such a shame that it
was in the high profile firestorm of the Ashes in Australia.
But if Brenda McCallum becomes available to coach New Zealand
in some way, shape or form in the future, and
I for one would welcome that, absolutely welcome it. One

(59:00):
twenty four is the time Elfie says Bindy of England
followed the New Zealand rugby sacking policy bread and would
be gone already. Ironic, Yeah, healthy, it is, it is ironic.

Speaker 6 (59:11):
Look, he.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
Will not obviously he's there for the Tea twenty World Cup.
If they were to I don't know. I mean, like
I say, they'll get out of that group. They need
to do well. In the eyes of some English cricket observers,
they need to do well in the T twenty Cricket
World Cup for him to be retained. So I guess

(59:35):
it's a fairly important tournament coming up for Brendan McCallum.
Let's take a break. When we come back, we'll get
you to Melbourne where we're just about underway on Rod
Laver Arena on day eight of the Australian Tennis Open.
Most of the seeds in both the men's and women's
singles are still alive as we head into second week,
which means some cracking contests are in prospect as we

(59:57):
head towards the men's and women's singles finals next weekend.
Dave Worsley's and Melbourne, we'll have a chat with them
after this.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
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That'd be coming up one twenty eight. Despite battling cramp
on a sweltering Day seven at the Australian Tennis Open,
raigning back to back men's champion Annix Center has battled
through to the fourth round in Melbourne, beating gutsy American
Elliott Spitserian four sets. Yeah So the seventh sixty three

(01:00:38):
six six the spots was colored.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
Set the crowds of the defender.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
Champion ten time men's champion Novak Djokovic also through to
the fourth round after a straight sets won. He'll face
asb Classic winner Yuck of Menshik next. Also advancing in
the men's on night seven, twelfth seed Casperlud ninth seed
Tailor Fritz He ended the Australian Open career of twenty
fourteen champion Stanfadrinca in four sets. A good day for
the seat of American women defending champion medicine keys also

(01:01:15):
Amanda and A Samova and Jessica Pagola all through. Second
seed Egos Fiontech and fifth seed Elena Rabekeina went through
as well, but two time champion Naomi Osaka withdrew from
her round three match, citing an abdominal injury linked to
body changes from her pregnancy. Among those on court in

(01:01:35):
the day session today. The two top seeds Arena Sablenka
in her fourth round match, followed by Carlos el Kraz
in his fourth round encounter. Veteran tennis journalist Dave Worsley
is attending his twenty seventh Australian Open and his fiftieth
Grand Slam overall. Do you get a special seat when
you bring up fifty?

Speaker 6 (01:01:57):
No, Tony, I don't. There's a lot of people who
have done a lot more than me, but I guess
we're in New Zealander. It's a decent amount and does
make me feel a little bit old when I think
about the first Ossie Open, for instance, and there were
still fact machines been used.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
Yes, you can fax your report back to us. Well,
it's good to have you on with us, Dave. Just
before we get to the tennis, How hot was it
in Melbourne yesterday?

Speaker 6 (01:02:21):
It wasn't the hardest I can recall. I mean we've
actually had a few years of not too much heat. Yes,
they got to a round about forty or cost enough.
It's actually Tuesday that we're looking forward to. I guess
forward to it forty two degrees and that one will
be a tough one. I mean in the past, there
has been a couple of years that I recall where
there was bush fires around the outskirts of Melbourne and Dandenongs,

(01:02:43):
and then you also had the heat and then all
the flies as well. Anyone who's been to Melbourne when
it's really hot, you get the flies coming in and
no they're not people waving at you. The are people
trying to get rid of the flies from around their face.
It's not really that appealing. The tennis fliers manus who survived,
including Aaron Ratlers and New Zealander, she had to wait
six hours and I've just said, oh, there we go.

(01:03:05):
I've just seen the temperature come up on one of
the big screen term that's his twenty point four degrees.
It's remarkable how it drops by about twenty degrees.

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
Indeed, yeah, much more comfortable today. How much of a
battle did Yanick Center find himself in against Elliott Spatzira yesterday?

Speaker 6 (01:03:20):
Well his legs look what you and I after playing
five minutes of over forties football jelly. Basically he was
in a massive battle there. We do know that he
struggles with the heat more so than his main rival
Alcaaz yeah, yesterday though he was being told by his
coach Darren Cahill, the ex Australian players just survived this set.

(01:03:42):
Then you can get a break and we'll call for
a break and you'll be able to continue on a
lot better to survive. He did survive in the end. Now,
anybody who says that the rules were in his favor,
or that he asked for the rules to be changed
or anything like that, that's incorrect. The rules did favor him, however,
they weren't made in his favor. Two were made a
couple of years back after they changed the actual way

(01:04:06):
that the heat wall came about. And it's all very
complicated and it really makes the Duckworth Lewis system look easy.

Speaker 25 (01:04:13):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:04:13):
It's just one of those things that came at a
brilliant time for him. He has to come back from
one tree down. And I guess you could say that
his opponent in his first Grand Slam, Mandraw perhaps should
have rammed at home and actually really you know, taken
advantage of it. Yes, he was upset that the ruling
did appear to go in Senna's favor. It did physically
favor him, but yeah, Sinner came through and showed that

(01:04:36):
he is a champion, whether people like him or not,
and there's a few that don't. He's true to the
fourth round.

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
Okay, well he'll face the twenty second seeded Italian Lucciano Daddy.
Let's go to top, said Carlslcas. He's on court this
afternoon against nineteen seed Tommy Paul. Might he be in
for a battle or no? Not really?

Speaker 6 (01:04:57):
Well, Tommy Paul was pretty decent, that's for sure. I
mean it was a semi finals at Roland Garrossler last year.
Siddenly did well. Beer, he's a good, solid player who
was and to make Alcarez work, it's going to be
a lot cooler. It's on the stendard court. Alcarez has
all the flare. He can play some brilliant shots. I
guess he's the opposite of Sir Soon will play brilliant

(01:05:18):
regulation fantastic shot, whereas Alcarez will do the shots that
you'd go wow, I'll never be able to do that. Ever,
you know, it's hard to hit that shot. He's got
the flare in his favorite al kaz and so that's
where he can just bring up something a bit different. However,
in that same sense, having the ability to hit any shot,
there's also a hindrance at times, and that's where Tommy

(01:05:40):
Paul can actually drag him around the court. You'll see
you're going to see a lot of long rallies today
and Tommy Paul will keep him out there. I still
believe that Ourparaz will make it through. Just one thing
thought by me. Alcaraz has never made it past the
quarter finals at the Guffie Open, which is remarkable in itself.

Speaker 3 (01:05:55):
Yeah, it's a it's an astonishing stand. I get the
feeling that he'll certainly be targeting the last eight and
beyond this time around. If he makes it through, he'll
face the winner of Big GAUSSI hopes seed alex Demoneur
and ten seed Alexander Bublick. That's on Rod Labor tonight.
Would demon will be a firm favorite the crowd behind him,

(01:06:15):
he's seated high. Would he be a firm enough favorite Demonur?

Speaker 6 (01:06:19):
Yeah, he should be for this one. However, we've got
to remember the public's actually, I guess restrained himself from
being an absolute eddiot at times. He has said I
don't need you know, I don't go to any more
and I now decided to spend time with my family,
stopped eating to take aways every single night. He's the
sort of player who was doing well what he had

(01:06:41):
and enjoying life a little bit too much. Now he's
quite I'm going to knuckle down and I'm going to
get to the top ten books. I achieved that. Okay,
now let's knock off some bigger players and bigger names
and bigger seeds. So I think Demon's going to have
a real battle tonight against the player who can hit
any shot any time. Everybody just thinks that Demon's just
a player who retrieved. Well he's not. He's actually better

(01:07:03):
than that. He could hit some very good winners when
he wants to. That's sure. He's got a lot of power.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (01:07:08):
There's a lot of attention on him, of course, with
Katie Bolter. You know they're doing, you know, all the
questions on court about you know, are you organized in
the wedding, blah blah blah and all that sort of thing.
Hopefully he gets to focus on playing tennis as well.

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
Novek Djokovic, Jay, you've seen a bot of him, Dave,
You've probably seen more of him live than any other
new Zealander. I would say menshiks his opponent in the
fourth round. He was impressive in winning the IB Classic.
What do you predict for this one?

Speaker 6 (01:07:35):
Yeah, that's an interesting one. That's your upset, that's your
potential upset. That's say potential upsets because I believe Mensic
stucks with the draw quite nicely. He slayed had a
couple of tough matches. But I also believe that with
his serves and his power, he is Yeah, he's there
to actually knock off Jakovich. I mean, Dcovich is so
hard to beat because you know, he's always able to

(01:07:57):
make it through to what the quarters, the semis. In
the last couple of years when we think he's saving,
he's managed to make it through and focus. He hasn't
done a lot of poeme or a lot of promotions
around the tournament, even though he's won at ten times.
He stayed very focused on just trying to stay healthy.
He had a bit of a tough one yesterday where
he almost hid a baldhead with the ball as well.

(01:08:19):
Not smart, and I think you know that already. Don't
hit the ball in a of anybody, because the last
time you did that, you've missed it on with the
Grand Slam and got kicked out of the USO. You
know what, it probably wasn't going to get kicked out.

Speaker 17 (01:08:32):
Of this one.

Speaker 6 (01:08:33):
They came very close to heaving a ballhead. So he's
just sit on court. I've got to actually relax and
just play. I think Menshico's got yeah, can go out
there and start blasting, and that's what he's got to
worry about.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
As I'm looking at the TV screen now, they're about
to make their way into the court for the first
game on Rod Lavor this afternoon arena in Sabolenca, the
women's top seed. Are we on track for Sabolenka against
Frian Tech the top two seeds or is it too
early to make that a confident prediction.

Speaker 6 (01:09:04):
I think that's too early. And I also think that
you've got Amova in there and Coco Bluff that we
cannot figure about. You've got a few Americans actually and
there you've got Coca God, you got Handsomova, Beguela. You've
also got Key, So the Americans doing very well in fact,
Keys and the gou Way that'll be tomorrow and Knights
and a Smova could even go through and beat those

(01:09:25):
two players. Also, IGOs Fiontek has never made it past
the semis here. So also one other player to watch
out for is on the right back in the right
back and oh my goodness, I'm gonna get it wrong
right key that there you go. She changed her name
a few times how you actually pronounced it, But she's
been a runner up here, was only two points away
from winning a few years back. So watch out for

(01:09:46):
her as well.

Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
Okay, we Aaron Rautliffe, you mentioned her earlier, Dave, she
and a double partner Asia Muhammad through to the third round.
Have you seen much of her in the first week
and what do you predict in week two for Aaron Rautliffe.

Speaker 6 (01:10:01):
Well, it took two and a half hours yesterday. It
was and heat that it was the cooler hit. Yeah,
in the third round. That's their first Grand Slam together.
They've got every matches for good. I guess they've got
a difficult one in the third round, but yeah, they've
certainly got a good run to the quarterfinals. Hopefully they
can with their next match. That'll be tomorrow. She's saying

(01:10:22):
mixed doubles today. Yeah, it's been a long tournament for her.
To get to the third route. They seems have been
delayed matches all over the place for her. So yeah,
I think if she can make it to the quarterfinals,
she'd be very happy. As their first slam together her
in Asia. They're very good friends. They both are very
tall end route with a round about six to six

(01:10:43):
three and you've got to Jim Hammed is at least
six foot tall or whatever you want to say in
cinemeters mes. Yeah, so they're a tall pier and as
Aaron Rautler said to me, she said, we're playing better
together the more matches we play, which is of course
obvious that they're to do that. Yes, I think she's
got a good run. Her ranking has dropped just a little,

(01:11:03):
but it's still top ten.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
Just before you go, as I say, you've been to
so many of these Australian Opens. If we just focused
on the twenty seven number twenty seven, apart from the
fact that you know, you transmit your journalism in a
different way than you're used to twenty seven years ago,
one are the other big changes as far as the
Australian Open is concerned over the last nearly three decades.

Speaker 6 (01:11:28):
Well into itself, and that the tournament has become more prestigious.
The amount of people that come through. Was the first
tournament to get a million people through on the regulation time.
Now they've extended in the extra day. No doubt they'll
extend it even more. In the past for the players benefit,
of course, that's all. It's mainly because they can get
a heap more money, hit more people coming through. It's

(01:11:50):
become prestigious. It was almost quaint out of the Grand
Slams in the past that it was all that little
one down there, and even in the eighties players didn't
really come to it. But now it's really part of
the Slam and the players get so many perks. But
it's got bigger and better in that sense. The accessibility

(01:12:11):
to the players for media is probably slightly less, but
that's what happens when you get to a bigger event.
The great thing about this tournament is that it's basically
in the middle of town. Anybody's been to Melbourne can
see with the mcg as well, that's just across the
Low Way perhaps from the tennis have got the football
stadium just across the road as well. Everything is five

(01:12:34):
minutes walk from Federation Square and I think Anybody who's
been here for any sporting event around this sort of
this area will understand that having sporting venues close to
the city center is such a fantastic idea compared to
the other Slams, compared to any other sporting city here
is just great. I just walked for a third square

(01:12:56):
to five minutes to get here. Fantastic. I love that
and that's what makes the thing really good because even
if you finish at stupid o'clock in the morning, it
doesn't take that long to get back to the hotel
or where you're staying.

Speaker 3 (01:13:07):
Well, we've got you done in time for the opening
match on rod Laver this afternoon. Are in a Sabalinka
about to go up against Victoria and Bokle, the Canadian
player that've never played before, about to do so. Dave,
thanks for your rap mate. We have to catch up
with you again next weekend.

Speaker 6 (01:13:21):
That worries mate, Thanks Piney, Thanks Dave, Dave Worsley.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
They're out of Melbourne. The Australian Open has twenty seventh
Australian Open and fiftieth Major all up. Terrific stuff. Nineteen
away from two, take a break, come back. James mcconey
in his regular Sunday slot.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
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Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
Sixteen away from two Sunday afternoons. We always catch up
with James mcconey. Hello mate, how are you to day?

Speaker 17 (01:13:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (01:13:52):
Good, thanks Piney. It's a bit of a crafty long
weekend out there, but yeah, it's still watching a lot
of sport.

Speaker 3 (01:13:59):
Yeah, there's plenty on plenty on. I want to ask
you about the All Blacks coach, not who you necessarily
think it's going to be, but you know, what have
you made of the last ten days since since Scott
Robertson was was relieved of his duties. What do you
predict from here in terms of the process that might
might be carried out?

Speaker 12 (01:14:18):
Well, I mean it's interesting seeing listening to Tony Brown
who was talking to Mike Hosking about his I guess
his loyalty to Rassi Erasmus. Now that he's signed that contract,
doesn't look like there's any way of budging him free,
which just as timing as everything right, So you're losing well,
one of the great minds of rugby, and of course
that means Jamie Joseph needs to find some running mates

(01:14:41):
and like I mentioned last week, it could be a
traveling Wilbury's style of All Stars. But I think, you know,
Dave Rennie has to be considered, and I think that
he'd be one guy who's big on culture and I
think if there's anything that we've learned from the I
guess the player revolt that they don't want to call
it that, but that's really what it is, is is

(01:15:02):
that they need to work on their on their culture
and the team.

Speaker 3 (01:15:05):
Now Wayne's Smith. You would have or Sir Wayne, my apologies,
so you would have picked up on this news that
he is leaving New Zealand rugby to take up an
overseas opportunity.

Speaker 6 (01:15:14):
What to make of this?

Speaker 12 (01:15:15):
Yeah, apparently he made the call before the review came through,
so it was just independently decided he had had enough
time doing that. Look, it doesn't it doesn't really reflect
well on the version that's just been housted. But at
the same time, I think Wayne Smith is very loyal
to Scott Robertson. It doesn't actually surprise me that Wayne

(01:15:38):
Smith is leaving by the way he enjoys spending his
winters on the Gold Coast and he's got an apartment
there that's where he likes to go. And he also
has a side hustle, a job where he It's not
often reported, but he works for the Melbourne Storm and
he goes there as a consultant. Craig Bellamy loves him.
They share ideas and of course that cross pollination is

(01:15:59):
great and we should be doing it more in all
our workplaces really and Wayne Smith was big on that.
So I could see him, you know, moving to another
type of consultancy role if he's sixty nine in April,
so if he was to take on a big culturing,
a coaching role somewhere, that would be quite a big,
big surprise.

Speaker 3 (01:16:19):
Can you imagine anyone sitting down with Wayne Smith and
not enjoying it, you know? Can you imagine anybody say
he's a bit of a Dirk is'ne It may be
universally loved, wouldn't he?

Speaker 14 (01:16:28):
I know?

Speaker 12 (01:16:29):
And even imagine watching sport with Wayne Smith anyhow in
the living room sometimes you just don't want people to talk.
But with Wayne Smith, I'd happily pay for the privilege
of watching a Test match with Smithy. Sir Wayne. Look,
I think he's off to see the Storm this week.
I think because he goes there regularly and he's going
to watch the Australian Open. And as far as I know,

(01:16:50):
I don't think there is another job that he's been
linked to yet. Well you know, there's nothing's been set
in stone, but that remains to be seen to watch
the space. So you know, I actually just on the
razor thing. I do feel sorry for him because to me,
he was in a development phase. But of course nobody
in New Zealand, nobody who listens to new stalks there

(01:17:11):
b has any tolerance for that, no for when it
comes to the All Blacks, because you know, it's they
want results.

Speaker 17 (01:17:18):
And that's it.

Speaker 12 (01:17:19):
So you know, for some reason we can't, we can't
be seen developing in the All Blacks. But that's exactly
what he was in. But that doesn't that doesn't take
away the fact that winning and gaining the respect and
the trust of established players is tougher than most people imagine.
You know, they've grown, men have been exposed and I'm
talking about the established players. They've been exposed to multiple

(01:17:40):
coaching styles and structures from elite coaches, So talk about
a tough crowd. You know, that is the thing that's tough.
But if you want to some holiday viewing, try looking
at the UK Celebrity Traitors. If you haven't seen it,
it's on three now and if you've got that app,

(01:18:01):
and it's amazing watching all the people trust the Traders,
so you know, anything can happen in the team environment,
is what I'm saying, Poney, that's the moral of the story.
You just don't know who to trust.

Speaker 3 (01:18:12):
Sometimes, No, you don't. I feel like you and I
have developed a fairly good sort of relationship over the years.
I would never you know, I think we can. We can,
we can trust on another. But you've got me worried
now I've seen that Traders show. It's not my favorite
Cherman him. I think we digress. Emerging cricket talent I've
got written down here. Are you? Are you optimistic about

(01:18:32):
the future of our game?

Speaker 12 (01:18:34):
I am in the bowling star stocks. Really, this is
what I wanted to talk about. I think Christian Clark,
who may have noticed, I'm not sure if I mentioned
he's from Tao and Mucho. Did I mention that you
have Okay? Yeah, of course I've mentioned that Poney he's
from Tao and Mudo when he was the top wicket
taker in the ODI Series victory against India seven wickets
and he dismissed Variat Holy twice. So hello, we've unveiled

(01:18:57):
someone outstanding. He happens to be from my hometown. Shout
out to Ta tl Moutu in their house. But then
also I was watching the Supersmash other night and there's
a bowler called Lockey Harper who took four for seventeen
and the ten twenty. You don't see many four fits.
He's another medium fast bowler out of the Canterbury system.
And I was like, that isn't too bad, you know,

(01:19:19):
like just seeing those players come through and get you know,
make a name for themselves. We need to have a
segment that's called remember the Name.

Speaker 3 (01:19:29):
Yes, we should we should have something like that. You
remember was the Warriors player. We should have had him
in there that you mentioned to the back end of
last year. What was his name? Morgan Gannon morgan Gannon, Yeah,
I remember the name. We actually I got Andy to
save the audio because when he becomes you know, a
leak of Hellaesima type of icon for the Warriors. We

(01:19:50):
can play back your audio and all sort of luxury
at in your brilliance.

Speaker 12 (01:19:54):
Yes, indeed, we can hopefully remember the name segment is born. Actually,
one thing I did want to mention about Razor just
doesn't ad an analogy. Imagine the best high school geography
teacher in the world going into teach a class of
PhD students in volcanology. You know, it's just the step

(01:20:16):
up sometimes is really really tough, and that's what you
can underestimate or can surprise you.

Speaker 3 (01:20:21):
Indeed, Fernando Mendoza, I wasn't completely familiar with him, but
he's he's had a pretty busy old weekend and he's
been on television shows. He's declared for the NFL Draft.
This is the Indiana quarterback.

Speaker 12 (01:20:35):
Yeah, he is the most beloved quarterback in college football history.
No one has a bad way to say about Fernando Mendoza.
His mother, it's very sad. She's got multiple sclerosis. So
she watches the games from a wheelchair. That which means
his dad is right by his side. So he doesn't
stand up in chair. He stays down at the level

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with his wife there and they have this incredible you
know family unit. Fernando's younger brother has traveled with him
and been on Good Morning America and all of this
just this perfect family. But what I love about it
is that he represents a sort of a modern America.
All his grandparents are from Cuba, so you know, it
sort of flies in the face of Trump, you know,

(01:21:17):
deporting every Latina. He's fright and center. It's just that
whole thing of him being this wholesome guy. He really
loves God, but he might be it looks like he's
going to get drafted to Sin City, Las Vegas, so
he'll have to clutch his faith very close to his
chest when he's there. But if you want something fun

(01:21:40):
to watch, for example, his game winning touchdown is basically
he dives like Superman, so it's a very American style
a way to win a game. And then and then
all his game show appearances or sorry, chat show appearances,
Jimmy Fallon, he's breaking records by throwing a football at

(01:22:00):
actual vinyl records and stuff, and he just he's just lovable,
you know, But obviously do that after three pm after
the Jason Pine Sports Show.

Speaker 3 (01:22:09):
Indeed, just before you go very quickly text I'm here
what speed? At what speed does a medium fast bowler
become a fast bowler?

Speaker 12 (01:22:17):
I know exactly I feel. I don't think there's a
speak camera on Super Special. I was looking for Locky harperstats.

Speaker 3 (01:22:23):
Drink DRIs one thirty five. Over one thirty five makes
you a fast bowler?

Speaker 11 (01:22:27):
I think so.

Speaker 12 (01:22:28):
I think over one thirty five. And speaking of fast,
as you see Timwhelpton, New Zealand's fastest man round a
ten oh ten point zero two for one hundred meters
in wang and nui and wind assisted five point eight
meters per second, so huge wind assisted, but how quick
is that? You may remember him as Larry the Lamb
in the MP SIP mascot race.

Speaker 3 (01:22:49):
Remember the name, Remember the Lamb? Gotta go mate, Love
chatting to you, James mcconey, remember the name. Big part
of our Sundays when it's.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
Down to the line. You made a call on Weekend
Sports with Jason Pine News Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:23:05):
It is an interesting question about when a medium pace
bowler becomes a fast bowler. I know this fast, medium
or medium fast. If you're under one thirty year medium
pace and I think I ver over one hundred and
forty clicks, you're fast. Bowler. So what is it when
do you become a fast bowler? Is it at one
forty one thirty five? I don't know. You might have
an idea nine two ninety two Speaking of fast Sam
Ruth and Sam Tanner After two.

Speaker 1 (01:23:27):
The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on
and after fields. It's all on weekends Ford with Jason
Vade on your home of Sports.

Speaker 3 (01:23:39):
Illo. They're coming up to seven past two. I'm Jason
Pine with Andy McDonald. It's this weekend Sport until three.
Then Tim Beveridge is in the chair for the weekend
Collective Sunday edition Sam v Sam the latest edition of
this burgeoning track and field rivalry. Sam Tanner, Sam Ruth
Last night and Fonganui at the Cook's Classic over the

(01:24:01):
mile distance. I think they can both come away pretty happy.
Sam Tanner won the race. Sam and Ruth broke the
world record for the mile by a sixteen year old athlete.
Will air from them both in the next little while.
Speaking of pace, well written as New Zealand's new racing

(01:24:21):
superstar putting her unbeaten record on the line in the
Cutack a million three year old race at Allesleie last night.
She absolutely blitzed them down the down the home straight.
Incredible stuff. Her trainer is Stephen Marsh. He is with
us this out. We'll get you inside the Wellington Phoenix
camp as well. The women's side. They take on Adelaide
United at four o'clock this afternoon at Home Body Door Park.

(01:24:43):
If they win, this is crazy. How tight this table
is right at the moment you look at the table
and Wellington Phoenix are ninth ninth. If they win this
afternoon they go to second. This about as tight a
table as I can can remember. So the Wellington Phoenix
women will get inside their camp and Leon Busby, our
American sports expert, with the lattst edition of State Side.

(01:25:07):
We'll keep you up to date with live sport as well,
including the tennis, on the cricket, just on the cricket.
The question that was post on text before two, how
fast do you have to be to be a fast bowler?
When does medium become medium, fast become fast? Felsa's think
you have to be at least one forty maybe one
forty five to be called just fast, not medium fast,
straight out fast one forty five, Graham says, one hundred

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and forty adam PERORI one said anything below that won't
cut it at international level, and I think Robbie's just
about nader because he's gone to miles per hour. He
said eighty five miles per hour. There's one hundred and
thirty six point seven nine kilometers per hour at that point,
you're fast. I think that's pretty close. Thanks Robbie, you

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might have a view. I don't think anything below one
thirty five can be can be called fast? Can it mean?
That's certainly in the medium pace category? Coming out nine
past two, As we always do at around about this
time on week Keen Sport, we like to make sure
that you are not short on sporting knowledge, that you
haven't missed out on anything, that things have happened and

(01:26:13):
you haven't caught up with them in case you missed
it to the Premier League. A rare win for Burnley
theres again and Jayden Anthony saar Off and Devin.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
Foster and again said Foster, but we have turned it around.

Speaker 25 (01:26:32):
It's a massive goal, had.

Speaker 26 (01:26:34):
A massive game for them, but Tottenham the flots what's more.

Speaker 3 (01:26:40):
Yeah, In fact, I think there might have been a
tot drawer rather than a win for Burnley because we've
got a Tottenham fan out here and he's looking rather
glumly through the window. They had it, Yeah, Toto Burnley
and Tottenham Bournemouth though, did get up to beat Liverpool.

Speaker 26 (01:26:54):
I'm glad you put this on Andy, rain coming down
heavily again in the faces of the Liverpool defenders. Hell
with that round the corner run and chances gone, we
go for perfect army for the Cherries.

Speaker 3 (01:27:14):
And it will be just that third ever win over Liverpool. Hi,
that's just brilliant in the Super Smash. A fight back
for the central hindchest and I led by Ashtuti Kumar hat.

Speaker 10 (01:27:25):
Trick Paul for Ashtuti Kumar, black on strike it Tony.

Speaker 23 (01:27:30):
Kuma has a hat track. Can you believe this?

Speaker 21 (01:27:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:27:34):
That history making feat, though not quite enough to overcome
the Sparks who clung on to win by two wickets. Oh,
that goes through.

Speaker 23 (01:27:42):
They're gonna win this one.

Speaker 3 (01:27:45):
It's taken a while, but the bound's ready to finish.

Speaker 23 (01:27:48):
A naked's gets her first runs in Super.

Speaker 3 (01:27:50):
Smash cricket and it's a beauty. It's the winning runs.
Southland writer Josh Burnett claimed Glory and Cycling's tour of Southland.

Speaker 22 (01:27:58):
K he extends his lead over Keegan Hornblow and let
kirkazy south and he takes the victory.

Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
Hornblow will be second.

Speaker 22 (01:28:05):
Across line Logan carry I think would have just held
on for third place.

Speaker 23 (01:28:10):
But they're in the bunch.

Speaker 22 (01:28:11):
Safely hidden away is the south end of the two
time champion Josh Burnett.

Speaker 1 (01:28:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:28:16):
Those two titles now becoming three for the hometown hero.
And finally, a colossal late era has seen Auckland FC
having to settle for a draw against the Central Coast
Mariners and the A League Men's mikel Want into the
sixth Hortier ear of volves, an era that's gone it on,
certain of that it has now and Michael Fowls unable to.

Speaker 26 (01:28:38):
Contain the ball of the near post, bundled in.

Speaker 3 (01:28:41):
By the Mariner's history, repeating ed go media and we're
all square at till apiece.

Speaker 1 (01:28:50):
The scoot from the track fields and the court on
your home of Sport weekends for it with Jason Vine
Youth Talks NB.

Speaker 3 (01:28:58):
Twelve minutes past two here on News Talks edb Kiwi
teenage running prodigy Sam Ruth has broken yet another record
post the world's fastest under sixteen mile time, in fact,
the fastest mile time by a sixteen year old at
the Cooks International Classic in Fogin to me last night,
down this.

Speaker 14 (01:29:17):
Back straight, three hundred ago, Sam Tanner, we saw it the.

Speaker 3 (01:29:22):
Nine of five's that checks. I'd argue this is where
he wants to be. He's sitting very comfortable right now, Tanner.

Speaker 24 (01:29:29):
He looks relaxed. But don't underestimate Ruth as we see them.

Speaker 3 (01:29:33):
Mind out one fifty to go, Sam Me Sam.

Speaker 2 (01:29:37):
Here we go.

Speaker 26 (01:29:38):
Again, ladies and gentlemen, Sam Ruth, Samtana.

Speaker 3 (01:29:43):
Here he comes, Sham Tanner.

Speaker 25 (01:29:46):
Down the outside, the teacher.

Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
Gets one back over.

Speaker 3 (01:29:51):
The student and at three.

Speaker 14 (01:29:53):
Point fifty three, Oh my goodness, Sham Ruth's time though,
Oh my, that is a huge personal best from Sam Ruth.

Speaker 21 (01:30:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:30:03):
The last showdown against training partner and two time a
COMPI and Sam Tanner did not disappoint. Tanner won the
race in three minutes fifty three zero point three six seconds.
Sam Ruth clock three fifty three eight three for second place,
that time easily bettering the previous best world's time for
a sixteen year old of three point fifty five forty

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four set by Australian Cam Myers in twenty twenty three.
It also shaved a massive four and a half seconds
of Sam Ruth's PB of three fifty eight thirty five.
He ran that in Auckland last March, when he became
the youngest person ever to break the four minute barrier.
Ironically enough, he was paced by Sam Tanner on that night,

(01:30:49):
Sarah Cary Ross and our very own Nick Beuley with
the commentary you heard there. Nick afterwards went down to
the side of the track and spoke with both Sam's
first race winner, Sam Tanner.

Speaker 14 (01:31:01):
How are you feeling after last week and to this
week in the way that you run your race and
the time us to finish?

Speaker 23 (01:31:07):
Oh, the time was a little cheery on top this week.

Speaker 27 (01:31:10):
Actually I didn't look at the clock at all until
someone told me we run through fifty three and so
that was a nice little bonus. But to get the
win is what I came here to do, and so
it's nice to get over the top of Sammy again.
So you know, this is probably a bit more my
expertise than mile. So yeah, it's going to be a
good next couple of weeks racing him over in the

(01:31:30):
US that's for sure.

Speaker 14 (01:31:31):
Can you talk us through the last lap and the strategy,
the execution was that always the planned well.

Speaker 27 (01:31:38):
Coming into the race, I didn't really know what the
how would play out with the wind and how Sammy
was feeling and if I knew he wanted to break
that world under twenty record or whatever it is, and
so I knew he wanted to go fast, and I
was just like, if he wants to get on the pacer, cool,
you know, it's a national championships for the both of us,
and so I'm going to do what I can to

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help him out if he doesn't want to take the pace.
But he took it and he was brave and helped
me out at the same time, So I appreciate him,
you know, do a mere favor a little bit at
the same time.

Speaker 23 (01:32:09):
And yeah, as with wanted to go, I just was like, cool,
now I've got this in the bag. It's nice to know.

Speaker 14 (01:32:16):
Does it reinstilled belief lows? The last week been a
bit of a your kid spinning a little bit or
is it always always been there?

Speaker 23 (01:32:23):
Well, yeah, I think it's always been there.

Speaker 27 (01:32:25):
The eight hundred was always a bit of a toss
up whether or not my body would play ball because
I haven't done anything that fast and over two years
with my achilles being a bit sore.

Speaker 23 (01:32:35):
So it was nice to really just know that my achilles.

Speaker 27 (01:32:38):
Recovered really well after the eight hundred, and then you know,
on Thursday and some strides and I'm like, oh, I
feel fast again. So I knew this weekend, even going
into this morning, I knew that this weekend was going
to be a lot more comfortable than the eight hundred
last week.

Speaker 14 (01:32:54):
Just the one word on your young Sam, like a
three fifty three. I know you held those national junior records.
Can you quite fathom what's happening at the moment?

Speaker 4 (01:33:05):
Oh?

Speaker 27 (01:33:06):
He can never fathom it, really, can you. I guess
the best way to put it for the public is
that he's just a freak talent. I was a freak talent,
and he's out freaked me. You know, like he is
the fastest in the world ever for under twenty and
so he makes my phenomenal mark look pathetic, which is

(01:33:29):
impressive to do, and so I take my hat off
to him.

Speaker 23 (01:33:32):
And it kind of hit me.

Speaker 27 (01:33:33):
Last week that I've actually never raced someone in New Zealand.
A key we at least with more talent than me
at that at the present time. And and then I
was like, Wow, I've met my match with talent here.
So it's actually going to be exciting what he does
over the next couple of years.

Speaker 14 (01:33:51):
Absolutely, and great win for the dad's out there like
myself just quietly. Yeah, the next FORTNIGHTE just talk us
through it. You've got some mile racing coming up in
the States and some places where you know, some serious
times to see it. How much you excited about that prospect.

Speaker 23 (01:34:07):
Oh, it's gonna be good.

Speaker 27 (01:34:09):
I think it's gonna be hard, leaving a little three
months old behind and the wife, but I think my
sleep will appreciate me for it, and the body will
body will love the recovery side of things.

Speaker 23 (01:34:20):
But yeah, it's gonna be It's gonna be exciting.

Speaker 27 (01:34:22):
We've got some pretty fast races lined up, so a
couple of races in Boston, a couple of races in
North Carolina, and racing the Olympic champ in North Carolina.

Speaker 23 (01:34:30):
So it should be should be good.

Speaker 14 (01:34:32):
Just on that, Like you're a three forty nine in
the States. I think it was twenty twenty three prefontained.
I do you feel like you can get to those
sort of times. Is that in your and your sights?

Speaker 27 (01:34:42):
Yeah, you know, after running one forty five last week,
as much as it annoyed me to be beat by
little Sam, it was encouraging because I haven't been in
the shape and have that much had have had that
much speed and you know, since twenty twenty three, and
so to fill that in training and to you know,
come out here and run the fastest Cooks Garden Smile

(01:35:03):
I've done ever, it's pretty enc and I think that
you know, three forty eight or Willis's our walkers record
or Allis's indoor record is definitely on the cards.

Speaker 14 (01:35:13):
And just lastly, just the vibe and the energy of
this place. You've run plenty of miles here at Cooks,
but the way the crowd got in behind the both
of you, like our care was at the moment. Just
the way that the this is capturing the public imagination
beyond the usual track and field community.

Speaker 27 (01:35:31):
Yeah, it's amazing. You know, it's cool to see you know,
media like yourself getting behind us too, and we always
appreciate that from from a sponsorship point of view, from
a viewership point of view, just from an athletics, you know,
hype kind of point of view. It's so good and
it's awesome to share the sport that I love and
that we love, and it's awesome to see Kiwis getting

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behind Keiwi's as well on the world stage and.

Speaker 14 (01:35:53):
Locally someone comes sponsor. Thanks Sam Tanner, all the best
in the next couple of weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:35:58):
That is Sam Tanner, obviously with Nick Billy, who also
spoke to the other Sam Sam Ruth about his latest
world record, Sam Routh.

Speaker 14 (01:36:07):
Three point fifty three here at Cook's Gardens, the home
of the mile. Took us through your immediate reaction to
such a blistering time.

Speaker 25 (01:36:15):
Yeah, I mean my immediate reaction was I saw Tanner
coming around me and I was like, wow, this is
this is a great race.

Speaker 9 (01:36:21):
You know. That's that.

Speaker 25 (01:36:24):
That's what I was coming here to do, was just
have a great race and the time would just come naturally.
And I got put in the front and I was like,
you know, I haven't ever tried dropping Tanner the endurance
where you know, I may as I test that out
because we're going to have a lot more racist together.

Speaker 23 (01:36:37):
I need to figure out what works for me.

Speaker 14 (01:36:39):
Was that always the plan was a little bit different
seven days ago was sort of a role reversal.

Speaker 23 (01:36:45):
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 25 (01:36:46):
I mean I think I would plan to Tanner having
it as a fast race, you know, seeing as I
had just been him in the eight hundred. So it
was an interesting tactic for me. But you know, I
just wanted to give it a go and see what's
out there. So the role the role was, I think
he was going to take it out, but I found
myself in the front and I was like, mad as,
I'll give us.

Speaker 23 (01:37:03):
A crack when you heard that time.

Speaker 14 (01:37:06):
And I know there's been a lot of records setting
in the last twelve months, but another world age lead
for a sixteen year old that you've got one over
cam Myers, Now, how does that feel?

Speaker 23 (01:37:16):
Yeah, no, it feels good.

Speaker 25 (01:37:17):
I mean he just opened the season with a three
forty nine, which is a flying time.

Speaker 14 (01:37:21):
You know.

Speaker 25 (01:37:22):
I hope to I definitely hope to be like him
when i'm his age, and I hope you're have in
some races with him. If I'm being honest, you know,
he's here in Oceany, and I really want to get
to the level where I can be quite competitive with them.

Speaker 23 (01:37:32):
I know, we were immediately after.

Speaker 2 (01:37:34):
But what what do you think you're capable of?

Speaker 25 (01:37:38):
Yeah, I think I can definitely run quite a bit
faster than that, because I think I was like fifty
four first lap. You know, it was quite windy. We've
got four more races which are all indoors, so you know,
I usual, I usually see progression and my races like
every race like usually gets slightly better, and i'd like
to you know, I can quite comfortably say I'll be
running faster and four weeks or even my next race,

(01:38:00):
as long as my body stays healthy and recovered. So yeah,
hopefully get down too, like three point fifty one JAD
somewhere around there.

Speaker 14 (01:38:07):
And how cool to see, you know, someone like Rod
Dixon at the end. There's such a legacy in middle
distance running in this country. You and Sam Tanner are
adding to that here at the Home of the Mile.

Speaker 12 (01:38:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:38:18):
No, it's so good, you know, to be doing it
with Tanner's so much funner too. You know, when you're
doing it by yourself, that's your memory is always made
with people around you, and you know when someone like
Tanner's around me, the memories are so much better. And
you know, running is just so much more enjoyable.

Speaker 14 (01:38:32):
And just lastly, the United States, can you just talk
us through what's ahead?

Speaker 23 (01:38:37):
What would you like to achieve? Yeah, I mean I'm running.

Speaker 25 (01:38:40):
I'm running only miles over there, so I've got one
mile every every Saturday, which should be good. I'm heading
to Boston first, which is meant to be the fastest
indoor track, so hopefully run real fast there. Then I'm
going down to North Carolina for one or two races
and then back up to Boston. So yeah, it should
be good.

Speaker 23 (01:38:58):
Back to school, Yeah, back to school.

Speaker 25 (01:39:01):
I'll be a bit behind by then, but be very interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:39:04):
That is Sam Ruth. You forget how young is year twelve.
He's going to year twelve. That's sixth form and the
old money. Incredible what he's doing, incredible rivalry and hearing
Sam Tanner talk there as well about how it's elevated
the entire sport of track and field. You need storylines
like this, and this is just a terrific rivalry that

(01:39:26):
is developing or has developed every time these two run
against one another. Now it just increases the eyeballs. I
was watching the live stream last night with Nick and
Sarah Cali Rosschi that did a great job of commentating
that and all of the other sport, all the other
events as well, and they were saying that, you know,
people were turning up just for that race at the ends,

(01:39:48):
and that's cool. You know, you'd obviously rather they were
there the whole time. But anyone who comes along to
watch track and field, or consumes it or just is
aware of it, is a good thing for the sport
of athletics. So yeah, terrific to see the two Sam's
the late latest rivalry. Greex's point. Hi made a point
to watch the end High Meet last night. Certainly not
a follower of athletics, but great to see these two

(01:40:11):
New Zealanders battling it out with world class times. Great
to see Rod Dixon there enjoying this spect to God
as well. Good on you, Greg. Yeah, look, I think
that's exactly what I'm just talking about. A discretionary fan,
if we want to call you that, Greg, somebody who
might not ordinarily tune in for a meat like this,
but because of the Sam v Sam, you know, you

(01:40:33):
jump aboard and you're while you're there, you're watching other
emerging athletes as well. Terrific stuff. Not the last will
here of the two SAMs. I'm sure for the foreseeable future.
Just on the fast medium medium fast argument. Nathan has
broken it down this way, Piney, It's medium one hundred
and thirty k medium fast one thirty five fast medium

(01:40:53):
one forty fast one five Thanks Nathan, nice and easily digestible.
Two twenty four. Well from athletes running quickly on two
legs to horses running quickly on all four, well written
is the latest name turning heads in New Zealand racing circles.
She blitzed them again last night on Ellesley. Her trainer

(01:41:16):
Stephen marsh is next on Weekend Sport.

Speaker 1 (01:41:19):
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Speaker 3 (01:41:30):
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Speaker 17 (01:41:35):
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now two weeks away War Princess.

Speaker 3 (01:41:40):
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Speaker 24 (01:41:43):
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Speaker 17 (01:41:48):
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Speaker 3 (01:41:53):
She has absolutely bulked in Yeah well Written, putting her
unbeaten record on the line in the cutak a million
three year old race at Allelie last night, delivering an
explosive victory which blew away her rivals and set the
racing well the lights. She was the hot favorite entering
the race. Well Written found herself crowded at the top
of the strait, but weaved her way through traffic before

(01:42:14):
unleashing a devastating sprint that left her rivals in her wake.
Her emphatic win by an ever increasing six length margin,
which takes her to five wins and five starts, had
racing fans at Adelsley on their feet, cheering the arrival
of a new star. Well Written's trainer is Stephen Marsh.
He joins us now, huge congratulations, Stephen, did well Written

(01:42:37):
exceed your expectations with this win?

Speaker 11 (01:42:41):
Yeah looks thanks having me on. Look, I think you're
summed up pretty well exactly what you said.

Speaker 6 (01:42:46):
She look, she did.

Speaker 11 (01:42:48):
You sort of hope they wouldn't like that, but you
don't expect it. But look, in the end she was
dominant and you're right, she was a bit tight for room,
bit crowded, but you know when she got through, Jesse
just was a devastating turner foot and very very exciting
to see.

Speaker 3 (01:43:04):
How confident were you heading into this race?

Speaker 11 (01:43:08):
Oh, look, very very confident.

Speaker 17 (01:43:10):
I thought.

Speaker 11 (01:43:11):
Actually her last she was a little bit vulnerable. She's
sort of in need of a run. She had a
heap of improvements. I thought she could win two starts back,
but be struggling to be to you know, sort of
again very next couple after that, and we were very confident.
But look, you don't well you don't see horses when
not that often. I guess it's the big thing.

Speaker 17 (01:43:32):
But it was.

Speaker 11 (01:43:33):
Look, it was very very pleasing and.

Speaker 18 (01:43:37):
Excited.

Speaker 3 (01:43:38):
I bet it was. I bet it wasn't see the footage.
It just looks incredible. You've trained a lot of horses.
What makes her so good?

Speaker 11 (01:43:48):
Well, she's just got an electric turn of foot. You know,
her sprint is phenomenal, like you see you see yesterday,
Like for one part of it, she's in a bit
of a tight gap and you're worried that she's going
to get through and win. Next thing, she's got two
or three links. She's sprinted two or three links in
front of him. She's got good tactical speed, she can

(01:44:09):
get herself out of tight situations and looks she's just
got such a good temperament.

Speaker 3 (01:44:14):
She just loves the game.

Speaker 11 (01:44:16):
She's quiet, she's the ultimate race source. Basically you need
more of them.

Speaker 3 (01:44:21):
Indeed, indeed, well greatly you've uncovered well written. Has she
got improvement in her?

Speaker 25 (01:44:29):
Wow?

Speaker 11 (01:44:29):
Look they always improved a little bit more times. I
don't know she's got improven in her, but she does
with a better watch out. But yeah, look she'll just
keep getting better and better. I mean, as a four
year old she should be physically better again. But now
what she's doing at the moment's pretty phenomenal.

Speaker 3 (01:44:48):
Can you confirm that she won't race again now until
the entered b KIWI in early March at Ellieslie? Will
that she won't race again.

Speaker 11 (01:44:55):
Till then, No, she won't race till then. Look, she
may have a barrier trial. She'll certainly go and have
a gallop. You know, she'll have a look around Ellisie,
another gallop at her. He just just to basically give
her a little out and to keep her fitness up.
But certainly won't have a race, but yeah, there could
be a quiet barrier trial involved.

Speaker 3 (01:45:14):
And then what Steven, what is the plan as a
four year old? You know, Golden Eagle in October?

Speaker 16 (01:45:19):
Is that on your radar?

Speaker 11 (01:45:20):
Well, it's looking for four year olds worth ten million,
it's certainly, it's certainly very high on the radar. It's look,
it's a race you've got to look at. The money's
just well, it's it's ridiculous really and it could be
a perfect race for your So look, that's certainly on
our and our thoughts at the moment. But we'll get

(01:45:40):
our we'll get our the Kiwi ends b kiv out
of the way and then we'll we'll hopefully be putting
a plath to that race.

Speaker 3 (01:45:47):
How were the celebrations last night, Well, to be honest.

Speaker 11 (01:45:51):
Very cold with a big with a big Dan sales
today you just can't you know, we're we're selling nearly
three hundred horses to the sales, so you can't really
play up. But I'm sure we'll enjoy a drink or
two and the coming and the coming week.

Speaker 3 (01:46:11):
Yeah a well deserved one as well. And yeah, you
need a clear head for what you're up to today, Steven,
and by the sounds of it. You've got it. I'll
let you get back to it.

Speaker 11 (01:46:17):
Mate.

Speaker 3 (01:46:18):
Thanks for joining us in congrats on this latest chapter
in the life of this incredible horse.

Speaker 11 (01:46:24):
No, I really appreciate it and thanks for having me on.

Speaker 3 (01:46:25):
No, thank you for joining us. Stephen Stephen Marsh, trainer
of well Written. That is well. We're talking about remembering names.
I would remember that name well Written. Five from five
now in just an incredible victory in the Cuttaka million
three year old race at Allesleie last night. Got to
get to American Sport in the next little while. But

(01:46:46):
the Wellington Phoenix woman back in A League action this afternoon.
They take on Adelaide United Potty to a part from
four o'clock. As I mentioned before, a win would lift
them to second place on the table after eleven of
their twenty regular season matches. It's also a milestone match
for Phoenix utility Maniah Elliott. Today is her fiftieth A

(01:47:07):
League match. I spoke with her during the week about
that and asked if she remembered much about her A
League debut three seasons ago.

Speaker 14 (01:47:14):
Yeah, it can.

Speaker 4 (01:47:14):
Surprisingly, it feels like yesterday, even though yeah, three seasons
has gone by, and I curn't really believe it's fifty,
but yeah, I started the very first game of the
twenty three twenty four season and I was a bit
shocked to be starting, but Paul put the trust in
me for that one, and yeah, it was come a
long way since then.

Speaker 3 (01:47:35):
In the following we think your first goal against Western Sydney,
you might have come off the bench that day. Do
you remember how fondly do you remember your first goal
for the club?

Speaker 4 (01:47:43):
Yeah, the away game against Western Sydney. I think I
came off the bench and the team had good momentum.
I think Macy and I linked up for maybe her
goal and my goal, so yeah, it was cool, especially
doing it alongside her. She was also playing her second
game ever in the A League, so yeah, that was special.

Speaker 3 (01:48:00):
How different a player do you think you are now
compared to you were compared to the miniaria Let that
you know debut for the Phoenix what three seasons ago?

Speaker 23 (01:48:08):
A lot has.

Speaker 4 (01:48:08):
Changed, I think on the field and probably off the
field too. I've learned so much I think about myself
in these last three seasons. So yeah, it's been cool
growing with the girls that have come through at the
same time as me and then seeing for example Macy
that's gone away and come back and her development too.
I think I can learn a lot from the people
that have come in and those that are still on

(01:48:29):
the journey with me, And I think it's.

Speaker 3 (01:48:31):
A pretty even split between starts and impact amongst twenty
five and twenty four up till now. You know, how
have you adjusted to starting roles but also to impact
roles during your time here.

Speaker 4 (01:48:42):
Yeah, I think that's one of the big things that
I've learned is how to play my role in the team.
I know that I can make an impact off the bench,
but also put myself out there when I'm starting. It
is hard going through, like the fluctuations of when you
are starting and when you're not sometimes can dip in
your confidence. But yeah, I've learned to make an impact
off the bench. I think some of my better games

(01:49:02):
have been off the bench, so I need to remember
that in the future too.

Speaker 3 (01:49:06):
In touch Water, I mean, you've been pretty much injury free.
Worked out that the club's played fifty five games since
you've been here, and you've played in forty nine of them,
so you've been available pretty much all the time. What's
been the I don't want to jinx this. What's been
the secret of staying fit and available?

Speaker 4 (01:49:23):
I mean I could put it back to so many
things in my childhood, that the way I was raised
with so many different sports, and I think the yeah,
steadiness I have in my body. But obviously we have
some amazing staff. Karen has kept us fit in the gym,
and yeah, I think being available available for all of
the games that I have been has been awesome. I

(01:49:43):
think it was every single game last season, which was
pretty awesome. I think Paul credited a few of us
that we were available for so many of them. So yeah,
I put it down to my past and also Karen
in the gym has been great.

Speaker 3 (01:49:58):
So Game forty nine was a very good performance and
result for the team, winning too nil away at Canberra.
How important was it to get that one on the
road off the back of the defeat the previous week.

Speaker 4 (01:50:08):
Yeah, I think the Phoenix have always struggled on the road,
so I think it was it was good to know
that we can do that on the road, especially the
long trip to Canberra. It can take it out of us.
So yeah, knowing that we can do that when we're
away was good. For the momentum and should be good
for going into the next gaming.

Speaker 3 (01:50:26):
It's adelaide I should go deep into a game like that.
I think it's eighty five minutes, you know, still know
all you're playing against ten Did it start to feel
like that goal wasn't coming or did you always have
faith that you would be able to break through and
win the game.

Speaker 4 (01:50:39):
I think a few of us almost lost track of
the thought that we were playing against ten men, But
I think, yeah, we were patient and Zoe did very
well to put it in the back of the net
and then for Peter to get the one at the
end of the game. I think that built the momentum
and yeah, the confidence.

Speaker 3 (01:50:56):
I mean, you're still very young yourself, but you mentioned
Zoe and also Pierre. You know they're teenagers coming in.
You know what is it about this environment that allows
young players to come and pretty much start to flourish
and play well straight away.

Speaker 4 (01:51:10):
Yeah, I mean it's awesome I think for them coming
into the environment, not coming from the academy, I can
see even the similarities in me and my first season. Yeah,
having them come in and do so well is obviously
so great for them individually, but I'm sure they're learning
so much of the experience players like Mac who's been
here for all of the Phoenix's seasons, and yeah, their

(01:51:35):
development is so important for the future of the Phoenix.

Speaker 3 (01:51:39):
What about the coaching change the first two seasons under
Paul Temple, who brought you into the first team you've
had be of obviously, this season, how are you enjoying
playing under a different coach?

Speaker 4 (01:51:47):
Yeah, I'm obviously eternally grateful for Paul. He was the
one who put trust in me to bring me into
the A League system. It's been awesome having Bear as
a coach. She's had so much experience, obviously, and I'm
learning so much off her so far.

Speaker 3 (01:52:02):
At Aelaide on the weekend, they had to win last
night our Kena to get back home where you know,
and obviously the winning record was lost there last time.
How can are you in front of what will be
another good crowd to get three points again on Sunday.

Speaker 4 (01:52:14):
Yeah, I think they're in good form, but the tables
close and our position can jump so much as we
get a win, So yeah, we're keen to put out
a good performance against them and use the crowd to
be our tath man.

Speaker 3 (01:52:27):
Just from a wider sense. Finally you major football. Fern's
debut last year five games for the national team. Now,
how I mean, how driven are you to be a
part of fern size with twenty twenty six. Now there's
a World Cup next year? How can are you to
be involved in the in the Ferns moving forward?

Speaker 9 (01:52:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:52:41):
Well, world covers getting closer, the international windows are coming
up soon, so yeah, very keen to keep progressing through
the club and hopefully put my foot forward to make
those selections.

Speaker 3 (01:52:55):
That is the voice of Mania Elliott, who this afternoon
will become the fifth Wellington Phoenix women's player to bring
up fifty A League matches when they take on Adelaide
United this afternoon four o'clock. As mentioned when game and
the Wellington Phoenix women are up to the giddy heights
of second on the A League ladder. Can't remember them
ever being as high as that, So big game in
coming at Pottydoor Park this afternoon, twenty one away from three,

(01:53:18):
take away, come back and take your State side. The
latest and American Sport with Leon Busby right after.

Speaker 2 (01:53:23):
This It's more than just a game.

Speaker 1 (01:53:26):
Weekend Sport with Jason Dyin and GJ Gunnoves, New Zealand's most.

Speaker 2 (01:53:31):
Trusted home builder News Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:53:32):
AB News Talks be Bang on eighteen to three. Time
for our regular look at American sport and all that's
going on there. Leon Busby is our US sports expert.
He joins us, Good afternoon, mate.

Speaker 10 (01:53:44):
Afternoon, Jason, thanks for having me back. Mate's got each
to discuss the rich Juman Today.

Speaker 3 (01:53:48):
Let's jump in Major League Baseball. We haven't started yet.
I don't think the first matches or first games for
a little while, but the top five teams in Major
League baseballer are throwing a bit of money around and
causing a few concerned conversations. What can you tell us
about this?

Speaker 10 (01:54:06):
So there's a reason I'm sharing these numbers because they
go into my main point here. So if we look
at the top five teams in the Major League Baseball league,
so we've got the Philadelphia Pillies at number five, So
I've got a playroll of eight hundred and sixty five million,
so this is American dollars. And then you've got the
New York Mets and Toronto Blue Jays they're equal on

(01:54:27):
one point one. And then you've got the San Diego
Padres at one point two and is expected leading the
pack of the two time defending World Series LA Dodgers
at an I walk through in two billion dollars. Now
to put that into context, Pony, that's more than twenty
five countries annual GDP in a calendar year, which is crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:54:44):
To billions, like two billion, two billion billion. My goodness, Dane.

Speaker 10 (01:54:49):
Right now. The reason I share these numbers is that
it leads to my next point. And unfortunately, I'll start
by saying this, New York we have a problem.

Speaker 3 (01:54:58):
Well, so what are we looking at here? A possible
lockout is a possible lockout in our in our future.

Speaker 10 (01:55:04):
Yes, are you familiar with the two lockout?

Speaker 3 (01:55:06):
Well, I kind of am, but give us an explanation.

Speaker 10 (01:55:11):
Okay, So all of America's major professional sports organizations, they
have their head off to the New York City. The
Major League Baseball has a big problem, that being the
huge spending disparity. So the guaranteed salaries confirmed this, and
many baseball experts are speculating that in December of this
year there'll be a lockout. This happens when team owners

(01:55:31):
and players can't agree on what's known as a UCBA,
which is a collective bargaining agreement, so basically, the players
go on straight. The owners will only use this as
a last stitch effort to press the negoiations. So the
last time a lockout happened was during the twenty twenty
one to twenty two regular season. It was for about
four months. So at the end of the nineteen ninety

(01:55:52):
four season. Going back a few years, a league wide
strike canceled the entire nineteen ninety five season, nine hundred
and forty eight games, the playoffs, and the World Series.
This season long lockout set baseball back a few years
and had long term number chisers. The players Union has
recently indicated the lockout will be inevitable if they can't

(01:56:13):
come to terms, as the current basic agreement is set
to expire on December first of this year.

Speaker 3 (01:56:19):
We'll keep pause on that. Any recent trade news, leon,
and how might that affect a possible lockout?

Speaker 10 (01:56:25):
Yes, all of these things are affecting Major League Baseball
in a big way. So recent trade you saw All
Star outfielder, outfielder and hitter Kyle Tucker traded to who
else the two time defendy World Series champion Dodgers. He's
a very good player. So Tucker was signed by LA
on a four year contract worth a hefty two hundred
and forty million dollars. He'll be paid sixty million annually,

(01:56:47):
which is twenty more twenty million dollars more a season
than MVP Tiger Aaron Judge of the Yankees. So another
example of the gaping disparity in the league, with further
points to an inevitable locker. So his talk of their
head offers implementing the top of salary cap mechanism to
try and bring about balance. No one, I'm quite sure
how that will pan out. But this type of spending

(01:57:09):
is untenable and needs to be raided in to avoid
potential lockouts and invariably backlash from the fans.

Speaker 3 (01:57:15):
All right, I want to get to the NFL in
the moment, but can we quickly cover off college football.
We're done in the NCAA, the National Championship, Indiana top
of the pile.

Speaker 10 (01:57:27):
Yeah, so a short segment here, piny as you allerd
to you want to focus on the NFL, plass, but
I just want to say, also, I enjoy listening to
James mccarney's thoughts, but I take unrich in a friendly manner,
of course, and he spoke about Fernando Mendoza last hour,
which sort of stole my thunder. Nonetheless, let's push on
so earlier this week. Earlier this week. These eighty Zealand
time he had studying college football season culminated in a

(01:57:50):
thrilling match with the Indiana Whojas bidding the Miami Hurricanes
twenty seven to twenty one in Miami to compete and
I'm beaten sixteen and o season for the first time
National champions Now, Historically, Indiana have always had a strong
basketball program. They achieved this year college football as nothing
short of remarkable. The Hoosias, led by quarterback and recent

(01:58:12):
Heisman Trophy winn of Fernando Mendoza, kept off a historical season,
r being compared to the all conquering Alice Hugh Tigers
of twenty nineteen, who also went through unbeaten and led
by Heidsman Trophy winning quarterback and Joe Burrow. Indiana's head
coach Kurt Signetti, was instrumental in turning the Musa's football
program around from mediocre to national champions in only three

(01:58:34):
years at the helm Alsough. It was announced only yesterday
that the college football playoffs will stay at twelve teams
for now at least, with an expansion to sixteen teams
on hold. Finally, just days ago, Mendoza announced his intention
to enter the twenty twenty six NFL Draft, hered for
Eightpril twenty three in Pittsburgh. He's unanimously expected to be

(01:58:54):
the first name off the board as a number one
overall pick. It was the football season in the rear mirror, Pine.
We can now shift our focus to college basketball, especially
in the leader to March Madness.

Speaker 3 (01:59:04):
And there we can. But in terms of football, we
now need to go to the NFL Super Bowl. Sixty
is a fortnight tomorrow, so a fortnight today. We're going
to get you back to give us a Super Bowl preview.
Let's have a look at who might be there in
the AFC Championship game. It's the New England Patriots up
against the Denver Broncos. Nine o'clock tomorrow morning, New Zealand time.

(01:59:27):
Who do you like in this one?

Speaker 10 (01:59:29):
Yes? In the early window, as you alluded to, Pony,
we've got the game between the two best teams in
the AFC, the Denver Broncos and the New England Patriots,
both fourteen and three records. Although the number one see
Denver Broncos have the homegun advantage, that's negated by the
fact that they're starting quarterbacks. Quarterback Bo Nicks, who had

(01:59:50):
a breakout season this year, is out with the season
ending ankle injuries. The Broncos now have to rely on
their backup quarterback Jared Stidham, which no one's probably heard
of before, to start under center, but he hasn't started
an NFL game and over two years since January of
twenty twenty four when he got at Denver and a loss.
Only nine times in the Super Bowl era has a

(02:00:10):
backup quarterback made it to the Super Bowl and won.
The Broncos with Super Bowl winning coach Seaun Payton at
the helm r nine and one at home the season,
but are going to have to rely on their stout
defense to advance to the Super Bowl. So if we
look on the other side of the ball, we have
the New England Patriots number two Steeds led by MVP
candidate quarterback Drey Mak who has a one hundred and

(02:00:31):
thirteen point five rating the season. He's an impressive eight
and zero on the road under the grandits of coach
Mike Rabel. So only twelve months after being introduced to
the New England head coach, the former Patriot linebacker and
three time Super Bowl champion has totally transformed the franchise,
who were at disimal foms thirteen just last year to
fourteen and three this season. Rabel will become only the

(02:00:52):
eighth coach to lead his side to a Super Bowl
appearance as a first year coach. If that can get
past Genver, He's also expected to be named NFL Coach
of the Year. That's dead. New England has a more
balanced side, especially with Mayott quarterback, and that consistently shown
in the season that they can win on the road
and the underrated defense will get get the stead them.
So due to the loss of Nix and both teams

(02:01:13):
I used to play in adverse weather with major storms
lashing most of the US this weekend, I'm picking the
Patriots Patriots to earn this one in the Super Bowl
and a close contest against the Broncos. The latest Betty
Knights have New England as three and a half point favorites,
with the total points spread at forty three.

Speaker 3 (02:01:30):
All Right, following that, we're off to Seattle, where the
Seahawks have have home ground advantage in the NFC Championship
game against the Los Angeles Rams. This one feels a
bit closer.

Speaker 10 (02:01:41):
Yes, in the late windows you alluded to as the
NFC Championship game, where we have the fourteen and three
Seattle Seahawks hosting the twelve and five Los Angeles Rams.

Speaker 17 (02:01:50):
The number one seed.

Speaker 10 (02:01:51):
Seattle have former minnesot Of Vikings quarterbacks Sam Donald, who
used to quarterback for your son's team, starting to undercent
and are picking at the right time. That Donald has
recently been battling injury, but latest reports have him fully
recovered and ready to go. Head coach Mike McDonald has
done only a second season in charge, and he has
an excellent record of twenty five and ten. Like New England,

(02:02:12):
the Seahawks have a well balanced roster on both sides
of the ball, but their defense and special teams in
particular are amongst the best in the league. They're pressed
on opposing quarterbacks as difficult to counter, and they can
stop the run and break up the pass. Now Seattle's opponents,
Theale Rams, are up against arguably one of the most
difficult stadiums to play in on the road, the number

(02:02:32):
five Siegs have the projected MVP at quarterback Matthew Stafford,
and a stack for the offensive weapons galore, plus a
strong defense. Coach by Sean McVeigh, who has been to
the Big Game twice to one Super Bowl, won a
Super Bowl. He's considered one of the league's elite coaches.
McVay needs one more win to pass Hall of Fame
coach Don Schuler for most playoff wins before the age

(02:02:54):
of forty five. There are too many to name on
the Ala offense, but this game looks like a coin
toss to predict the eventual winner. It's the case of
the Rams offense versus the Seahawks defense, an untoppable fourth meeting,
and movable objects well use to a Buddhist better tim. So,
how do you pick up on a poneyer?

Speaker 17 (02:03:10):
Who would you like?

Speaker 3 (02:03:11):
I don't look, I know, I can't believe you're throwing
it back to me.

Speaker 2 (02:03:15):
Lee.

Speaker 3 (02:03:15):
I'm you're supposed to be the expert. Look, I'll go la,
I'll go la, but I've got no basis for it.

Speaker 10 (02:03:21):
Okay, so this one's too great to call from me
Poney and I'm ashamed, unashamedly happy to be that guy
and sit on the fence here. So the latest betting
night says Seattle at two and a half points favorites
with the total points spread at forty nine. I picked
Lay to make.

Speaker 17 (02:03:35):
The Super Bowl.

Speaker 10 (02:03:36):
I feel that the home field advantage might be enough
for Seattle to get past the Rams potent attack. And
how does yet that old saying goo de Benceman Championships.
I'm more than happy to walk off from that. Thanks
for having me on, Poney, and we'll weaken being before
the Super Bowl Man.

Speaker 3 (02:03:50):
Yeah, look forward to that, Lee, I'm good man. Well done, mate, Yeah,
we'll look forward to chatting to you two weeks from
now when we have our Super Bowl finalists confirmed. So
Broncos Patriots tomorrow nine New Zealand time, followed by Seahawks
Rams at twelve thirty and then we'll know who are
the two teams to contest Super Bowl sixty A fortnight tomorrow.
Leon must be our US sports expert with us on

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Speaker 3 (02:04:23):
That is us for weekend Sport for today and for
another weekend to Beverage after three with a weekend collective.
Thank us so much for tuning in. Huge things to
Ada McDonald for producing. But a busy couple of days.
Thanks Mate and Joy a couple of well, a couple
of less busy hours, a couple of those as well,
a couple of beers. Why not so long to take
us out today? Well, Sam, Ruth, Sam Tanner just capturing

(02:04:46):
imagination everywhere for their running feats. So let's pay tribute
to a couple of keep runners with a Kiwi banger
she hud just that run. See Tomorrow night.

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