Full Show Podcast: 27 October 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
Hello, Kodi, good afternoon, Welcoming to the Sunday edition of
Weekend Sport on News Talks EDB for October twenty seven.
Happy birthday to Alama y're amea, and to Glenn Hoddle
and reluctantly to David Warner. I'm Jason Pineshow producer Andy
McDonald's here too. We're here until three. What on earth?
What on earth has happened over the last three days?

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In poone you will Ravia.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
You picked it right, but taken down inside the boundary.
And that completes one of the most remarkable achievements in
New Zealand Test batch cricket.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Indeed it does. The black Caps have clinched a Test
series win in India for the first time, beating their
hosts by one hundred and thirteen runs in the second
Test in Poune, Mitchell Satona taking six second innings wickets
to finish with thirteen for the match. Just utterly astonishing
and a little hard to put into context. If I'm

(01:27):
Frank Till and Clever's going to try in a moment
to put it into context. Your views are welcome as well.
How big is this? Let's celebrate one of the truly
significant feats in our cricketing history. After one o'clock, All
Blacks assistant coach Jason Ryan's on the show job done
in Yokohama yesterday are sixty four to nineteen went over Japan,

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ten tries, no injuries, a bunch of players who haven't
had a lot of game time getting some game time.
There are tougher tests ahead, obviously, but let's break this
one down as well, Jas Ryan and your thoughts and
reflections on the latest All Backs test. After one other
matters around today, Stallation Cup Netball Test number three tonight
in Perth, New Zealand can win back the Constellation Cup

(02:12):
if they win tonight. Mid quarter camod to point with
US Rugby League doubleheader in christ Durts today Pacific Championship
Kiwi Ferns Jill ARUs and then Kiwi's Kangaroos Joseph Tuppany
with us out of the kiwis one of our absolute
sporting greats is Honey Hide me Smiler. She wore the
silver Fern in rugby league, rugby seven's and nines four

(02:34):
World Cups, consistently one of the best players in the
world regardless of what she was playing. Her autobiography is out.
We'll chat about that with her after two and Auckland
FC back in action this afternoon. Their second game in
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Speaker 1 (03:11):
The schoo from the Tragh Fields and the court on
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Speaker 3 (03:22):
Taken down Inside the Boundary by Tim Salvey and that
completes one of the most remarkable achievements in New Zealand.
Test batch cricket history. They have beaten India in India
in a series. This is no fluke. They have outplayed
a very good team and they've done it in style.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
This is the first time they've ever beaten India in India.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
And for India on the other side of the ledger,
it's their first home defeat since twenty twelve. How about
Mitchell Satner whose Test career history said he couldn't do this.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
He has incredible and historic achievement for the black Caps,
clinching a Test cricket series win in India for the
first time. The black Caps wrapping up a one hundred
and thirteen run victory in Test two in Pune, India,
bolt out for two hundred and forty five chasing three
hundred and fifty nine. Mitchell Santner again the lead act
for the black Caps six second innings wickets thirteen for

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the match in forty seven innings. Prior to this Test,
Satne had never taken four wickets in an innings. Now
he has two fives in one of New Zealand's greatest wins,
and nearly twenty percent of his Test wickets have come
in this one match India. Before this had won eighteen

(04:43):
consecutive home Test series, their previous series defeat against England
in twenty twelve. Multi award winning sports journalist, editor of
the Bounce subscription sports newsletter, co host of the BYC podcast,
Dylan Cleaver is with us, Dylan, how do we even
start trying to explain what on earth has happened here?

Speaker 4 (05:06):
In three hundred and something days It's been since Alister Cook's
very good England team beat India in India bick in
twenty twelve. So that's as good as indication as you're
going to get about what in a phenomenal achievement, almost
incomprehensible achievement, this black cap size just pulled off.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Let's go straight to Mitchell Santner. Why was he a
bowler who has never run through a team with a
red ball ever? Really well, why was he so effective?

Speaker 4 (05:38):
That's a really good question. I can only guess at
the answer. But I think it was just the perfect
pace for that wicket. I think the other spinners, apart
from Washington Sunda, who almost said as good a game
as liter Centner, they tend to be darting flat spinners

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and on that wicket, which Grippton turned. You could kind
of a Grippton turned if you bowled a little bit slower,
and Santa was the only one that was from really
giving it. Luke Like, if you told me before a
Test that New Zealand left arm spinner was going to
rip through India and when the test for their country,
I would have gone ajs Ptel first, and I might

(06:18):
have even gone rich and Revenge a second, because you know,
if it was up to me, I probably wouldn't even
picked more full eye. So yeah, I think the wicket
was just tailor made for him. And if you predicted
it beforehand in your genius.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah, no, well I don't all I know for a
fact nobody did. Nobody. If you could bet on Mitchell
Center taking thirteen wickets in a Test match, any Test match,
you just wouldn't take the bet. I actually can't believe
I'm asking this, But aj S Pattel got ten for
and didn't get picked in the next Test. Do you
think Mitchell Senter will play the home Tests against England?

Speaker 4 (06:56):
Yeah? Again, I'm not sure. Would I do it? Probably not,
although I do like the idea that you go with
the hot hand. Maybe this is you know, someone described
it a little bit earlier as Santner's gave graceful moment
and maybe that's a good analogy actually, and I think

(07:19):
you do go with the hot hand. I think he's
probably more likely to play because of the other things
he offers than an ags to tell the New Zealand
conditions for example, So maybe maybe he's hurnt the right.
But yeah, again, it's just very hard to wrap your
head around what's happened over those previous three days as
to where we're now talking about Mitchell sand There is

(07:42):
the key figure in this amazing test. There is victory.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Did India bat poorly in this test match?

Speaker 5 (07:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (07:49):
They did?

Speaker 4 (07:50):
They better poorly in this Test and you could maybe
right off the first Test although New Zealand played fantastically well.
I don't want to put that first Test victory in
ben down to a fluke or anything, because it wasn't.
But India were undone by conditions on the first morning
there where they misread it in New Zealand at every
edge did everything perfectly in this test. They just looked

(08:14):
a little bit lost at times hyper aggressive in that
second innings and it worked for a little while and
there was potential for them maybe to rest the initiative
for New Zealand when particularly when joy'swell and Gil were
going very well. But yeah, I'm not sure that they
backed their own skills against Mitchell Sadler. And again there

(08:38):
was something really strange about saying that sentence.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Out loud in a low scoring Test match. How crucial
was Tom Latham's eighty six and New Zealand's second innings.

Speaker 4 (08:51):
Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned that because Tom Latham had
been a player that was beginning to really frustrate me,
because we know what a good player he is, and
he had become almost a master of these occasional cameos
and I mean still without a sex and still an
amazing amount of Test and and for someone of his
ability without one hundred. But people who know cricket will

(09:12):
know that that eighty six on that wicket in that
situation was probably worth a double tone against another team
in home conditions. It was so good, he bettered so well. Yeah,
it was that, I guess, to use a wore old cliche,
it was the definition of the captain's knock.

Speaker 7 (09:33):
Have we.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
I mean, he's taken over the captaincy and he's done
something that no captain before him has has done He's
I mean, we won four tests over there now he's
been in charge for two of them. But did he
has he stamped his captaincy on this team or not?

Speaker 8 (09:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (09:51):
I think he probably has. And again that's the ability
to make people like me look very silly, because I
really questioned whether he was the right man. I think
they had to remove the captaincy from the Southeast because
I guess souis own form was making tenable. But I
really questioned why you had had the captaincy from one
guy who's place in the team had to be in

(10:13):
doubt with his personal contributions to another guy whose personal
contributions have been pretty watery and pretty weak over the
past year at least. But yeah, I mean, perhaps he
is the perfect personality to meld that team as they
go through this what let's face it has been a
relatively awkward transition so far from that golden generation of

(10:35):
players who won the World Tiest Championship and has got
New Zealand to number one in the world to this
new I guess, this new phase of New Zealand cricket
and not quite sure how that's going to look yet.
But I guess the signs are looking up.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah, and that you land on such an interesting point, Dylan,
because I look at this team and most of them
are still north of thirty, right, So that transition has
still got quite a way to go, hasn't it.

Speaker 4 (10:58):
Yeah, it had, and we're not sure about the talent
levels below. Ratch and Revenger has been an absolute revelation.
Glenn Phillips does Glenn Phillips things and looks exciting, but yeah,
there's still I mean, Kan Williamson's obviously creaking, and Sow
He's creaking.

Speaker 6 (11:19):
You know.

Speaker 4 (11:19):
Tom Layton's form had been I think it was warranted
to look really closely at that and wonder whether he
was ever going to be the same. Devin Conway, who's
north of thirty is again he's sort of found some
for now, but it doesn't look the same Parr he
was a couple of years ago. So there's still questions
to be asked. Let's black Caps team, and we need

(11:41):
to keep asking them. But let's not take anything away
from this protecular.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Moment you mentioned, Devin Conway. There is everything fifty and
not a small sample size just the fore warnings, but
a couple of half centuries over here. Can we stop
worrying about Devin Conway now or are you still a
bit concerned that he's not quite the player he was?

Speaker 4 (11:58):
Well, yeah, yeah, that's an interesting point when it comes
to crooked. I sometimes tend to be a little bit
of a black hat and look at the problems. And
Devin has done very well on this tour and made
some really vital contributions. But there's still things that I
look at him when he's at the crease and think
his game is just a little bit messed up. He's

(12:21):
a player that's really confusing me. At the moment we're
in the space of two balls. He can go from
looking like just an absolute world class left ended opening
bat to the next delivery, the one that's sort of
angling in at him, looking a little bit like a
club player. But I can't sult his mental application. And

(12:44):
he clearly once runs very badly, and he's almost willed
himself to runs on this tour, and I think that
goes a long way.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
All right, let's circle back to this series. Win. You've
watched a lot of cricket, as have I. Dylan, Can
you put this into context for us? How significant a series.
Win is this for New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (13:06):
I think it's the best.

Speaker 9 (13:08):
I really do.

Speaker 6 (13:10):
Like people often.

Speaker 4 (13:10):
Benchmark the series against Australia and Australia in eighty five
the Headley series, I think, if you, I mean, we
often do that through rastin Tomorrow wanting to ruin in Australia.
Don't give me Rong's brilliant. You look at that Australian
team and it's not a peak Australian team by any
streets of the imagination. You look at this Indian team

(13:33):
and you've got Rowert Shama, You've got you know, very coldly,
that King, You've got Judasia, You've got Ashwin, you've got
some of the spectacular young talent in the world, and
Gill and Jay's well, that's a phenomenally good Indian team
that they have just taken.

Speaker 6 (13:51):
Apart to know the series that they're.

Speaker 4 (13:54):
Going to a dead rubber in Mumbai, it's almost impossible
to wrap your head around. So you know, maybe I'm
using shocking recency there, but I honestly do. I think
still when I look at it in the cold, lighter day,
I will come to the same conclusion that this is
as good as it gets.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Yeah, Dylan, I agree, I have to agree. Thanks for
taking our call mate, Dylan Cleaver. You can read him.
His subscription newsletter is excellent. It's called the Bounce. Just
search the Bounce Dylling Cleaver, you'll find out more about it.
But your turn now. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
Let us celebrate this win for starters, But can you

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put it into context? How big is this? I'm like Dylan,
I've always used that nineteen eighty five series against Australia
as the benchmark. But this is just so utterly historic
and so completely rare, so totally out of the blue.
I'm sure you've heard some of these numbers. Since the
start of twenty thirteen, India have played fifty three Test

(14:58):
matches at home. They've won forty two of them, sixteen
of the host bine innings and only lost four of
the twenty th of the sorry four of the fifty three,
and two of those were to us in the last fortnight.
The only sides to win series in India since two thousand,
South Africa in two thousand, Australia and four England into

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twenty twelve are now us. Some of the greatest teams
in history, couldn't win in India. Steve War's Australians never
won there. Graham Smith's prote has never won their Viv
Richard's West Indies never won a series in India. We've
been touring there for seventy years, seven oh seventy years
and have won just four Test matches nineteen sixty nine,

(15:40):
nineteen eighty eight and these two. So is this actually
bigger than winning the World Test Championship? Is this the
cricketing everest winning a series in the hardest place there
is to do that? And just before we go to
the lines, Mitchell Santner Mitchell Santna thirteen for one hundred
and fifty seven, third best figures ever in Test matches

(16:03):
for New Zealand, third best Test figures ever by anybody
on Indian soil. Mitchell Sander has taken the same number
of Test wickets in the last two days as he
took in ten Test matches across three years between October
twenty sixteen and November twenty nineteen. I could go on,

(16:25):
but let's get to the lines because they're starting to
fill up as we celebrate something pretty special. Hello Jellius, Yeah.

Speaker 10 (16:31):
Great, what a great occasion for New Zealand and I
was just chatting to Andy and the fact that they
pushed the allbacks after you you normally start with the allbacks,
so that says at all And I would say beating
India in India is a bit like beating the allbacks
at Eden Park. So yeah, it's just a fantastic and

(16:55):
let's not forget the white ferns. What a fortnight it's
been for New Zealand crickets.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Absolutely incredible, Dallas, And just on the Eden Park analogy,
you're right, but what it would mean. It would mean
a team coming here and winning twice at Eden Park
when it just happened so infrequently, so infrequently.

Speaker 10 (17:13):
Yeah, that's a good analogy, I mean, but also the
I was thinking about the white fans that merely occur
and Santana, they both have the courage to toss the
ball up and get that loop going, you know, above
the eye line, and it's just great. That's the couragest
thing to do. And of course Shane warned to that

(17:36):
it's the courageous thing to do and it's just great
to see slowballers get rewarded for their their courage and
doing that, you.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
Know, Yeah, it's a great point, Dallas. And the crazy
thing isn't and Dylan said it as well, is that
if you'd said, if you'd said, okay before this Test match, right,
we're going to win this Test match in one of
our spinners is going to get thirteen wickets, There's no
way you would have landed on Mitchell Santa for that.

Speaker 5 (17:59):
No.

Speaker 10 (18:00):
And also we did it without Kin Williamson.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Correct, correct, imagine if it'd been there we would have
won by four hundred. No, but I mean it's it's look,
it's a low scoring Test match and I thought I
thought Tom Latham was eighty six and the second innings
was really crucial as well. Thanks for kicking us off, Dallas.
And you make great points about the analogies with Santner
and and Mellly kerr yeap giving it a bit of

(18:23):
flight and that's what Mitchell Santner did. His height helps
that obviously, but you still got toss it up there
and you know, and but he was turning it a
lot of catchers in the slips, Darrel Mitchell, those big
bucket hands of his and the slips terrific. Twelve twenty five.

Speaker 9 (18:35):
Hey Brett, Hi, Yeah, yeah, that was absolutely outstanding. I
was just glued to the TV. It almost almost helped
the wounds if that came. We don't speak of them
two thousand.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
And nine times nearly nearly Brett.

Speaker 9 (18:56):
And Mitchell's stantner just even its attitude, how calmed he was,
It just took her all on this try. Just a
absolutely amazing performance. And I think you heard Glenn phill
up there at the end just say, I don't know
if anyone can understand how hard it is went over here.

(19:16):
And obviously when you look at the recorder and there's
just things like holy when he went out, I'll be
w just and and shock it was. It was just amazing, amazing,
So think.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
About You're right about Mitchell Center though, bred I saw
a great, a great comment on social media when he
got Coldie out and it said Mitchell senter celebrating like
somebody who's just just remember where his car keys are.
You know, it wasn't ecstasy or I've conquered the world.
It's just found the keys. He's so under so understated.

Speaker 9 (19:53):
Absolutely, I've really just stretched golfer as well.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
He hits, yeah, he hits a golf In fact, I
think was Ryan Fox said of all that, you know,
because Ryan Fox has these charity golf chasing the Fox
I think it's called, he said Mitchell Santa. Of all
the players who aren't golfers who he's seen play golf,
Mitchell Senter's the one he reckons could go pro.

Speaker 9 (20:12):
Yeah, yeah, I can go here, same thing. Yeah, it's
just and obviously the right imperaments for golf. But yeah,
just absolutely help and so happy for him.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
He looks like, yeah, I agreed, And I've often said,
yeah that it's much not much easier to like or
to be happy for successful sports people if they seem
like nice people. And he does seem so humble, doesn't
he so humble? Nothing like you know, you compare. Compare
the way he was celebrating wickets significant moments in a
cricket match to the way David Warner Happy birthday, by

(20:43):
the way David celebrates Test hundreds, you know, with just
all the over the top showmanship and leaping in the
air and punching the sky and running towards the crowd
and you know, writing things in the air. Mitchell Senter, Yeah,
I've got another wicket my twelfth twelve twenty eight. Rich
hold there with you after this O eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty lines filling up as we celebrate this

(21:04):
historic moment in our cricket history. Back after this on Weekend.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
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Speaker 2 (21:17):
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Speaker 11 (21:22):
Rich.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
I thought of you often yesterday. Mate.

Speaker 12 (21:26):
The right side of my face is very numb, Pony.
I just I just struggled to believe what happened. I mean,
it's just phenomenal. And you know, listening to you and
Dylan Cleaver, you know it is our best win because
this is Test cricket. And I mean, I wasn't alive

(21:50):
what happened in Australia and Australia, but you just you know,
how often does a Test team actually go to Indian
actually beat India and India And it's just it has
to be the sport sporting moment of the year. I mean,
it's just incredible, Ponty. I mean, you go look at
how things happened, in Sri Lanka and to just turn
it around and do that, it's just yeah, I'm speechless, man,

(22:13):
It's just I was glued to that TV last night.
I kind of went to bed and hopped into bed
to watch the last couple of weeks and I was
slowly dozing off, and I was kind of.

Speaker 6 (22:23):
Like Daywaight Rich.

Speaker 12 (22:25):
But yeah, it's just amazing, Biny.

Speaker 6 (22:28):
You know.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yeah, and yeah, I'm kind of like you. It is
very hard to find the right words to describe it.
And and but you're right against the backdrop of a
very very mediocre two Test tour of Sri Lanka where
they had to change the captain, coming over here with
no form at all to speak of, against as you say,
the most dominant side on home soil in you know,

(22:50):
and maybe not just even in cricket but in sport,
so rare to win test matches there, to win a
series there, Rich, We've won there twice before that going
there this time, We've won there twice in seventy years.
Seventy years, man.

Speaker 13 (23:06):
Yeah, and you know, before this test, you know, this
Test series started like there was a lot of criticism.
Even Smithy was talking about it, like I wanted to
eat humble Pie because of Mitchell sat because you know,
in the past I never really thought he was dominant,
you know, a spin bowler an our Test team, and
who would have thought someone like him would come out and.

Speaker 6 (23:26):
Just take thirteen wickets.

Speaker 12 (23:29):
It's just it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
It's beyond comprehension. I think, you know one of those
where as it's happening, you think you're just saying to yourself,
what is happening? But it is just totally enjoyable to watch,
and with Mitchell Santner as well, Like, I don't know
what you think, but he's just so understated, isn't he.
You know, he just every it was like a little celebration.
Some of them were a little bit more animated than others,

(23:53):
but nothing that would be called vociferous by any stretch.

Speaker 12 (23:58):
It's just amazing how many things kind of went our way.

Speaker 13 (24:00):
I mean the way Coley got out and I say, oh,
that looks like it's going down league and it just
clipped leg stump and he would just almost golds met
having to walk off, and then it's just kind of
like you kind of knew the end once those were
last couple of work. It's foul I was like, this
is this isn't a bad pony. And as you say,
like we I critique this team with you a lot

(24:21):
on air, and we do it, you know, with passion
and because we care, and I just think, you know,
it was close to having a teen ametric because it
means so much. You know, we've got we've suffered for
a lot of pain. And one of your previous calls
talked about twenty nineteen, which you know, we don't want
to bring out the therapy couts like we did back
twenty nineteen, piny, but you know it's yeah, it's incredible

(24:43):
and you know, just so proud of this team for
what they've accomplished.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
Good Man, Rich, great summary, mate, Yeah, look a day
for you to savor as a cricket fan. For me
as well, I've you know, I've loved cricket my whole life.
And yeah, the eighty five Test Series in Australia or
something special. I remember taping the highlights of it on VHS,
you know, the old old video recorder and watching it
so often that it was starting to you know what
happened when you used to watch the HS tape too much,

(25:09):
it would it would warp the tape and so bits
of it raw had, you know, wavy lines across the screen.
But I just couldn't get enough of Richard Hadley and
Brisbane Martin Crow's batting in Brisbane. That was my my
cricketing test, cricketing peak, I think up until the last
couple of weeks because this is so significant, so significant,
and so I think because it's so rare.

Speaker 11 (25:31):
Hello, Zane, Well, it's a lifelong cricket fane like you.
Since it was about nine years old when I first
saw New Zealand playing Pakistan. I think Imma and Khan
was was touring here be sixded by tiss cricket ever
since well, I think those were Teas and Tchoy to

(25:54):
suit us well though, got us into the groove of
the subcut.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
That's the that's the why to find a silver lightning.

Speaker 11 (26:02):
Well, hold on that feast tis we you know we've
got women's runs, I think. So it wasn't a total shllicking.
We did collapse in the second test, but it surely
was better than just going cold Turkey to India, as
is the case these days where you.

Speaker 6 (26:18):
Don't have warm up games traditionally anymore.

Speaker 11 (26:21):
Good point, Yeah, and I sorry to end on a negative,
I guess, but no, actually it's a positive. It's a
positive for Test cricket. You know, it's whenever a stupid
ICC type of official says I No, Test cricket should

(26:41):
just be besweing Australia, England and India. You know, this
is another blueprint of why no, and God, it's time
they get together and sort this calendar out. I mean, mate,
I'm of the opinion now if they have to do
away with fifty game the cricket and just play it
once every four years at the World Cup, split up
the rest of the season Test cricket and T twenties.

(27:04):
You know, I ain't key left a goot teach wis.
I understand the dollars and the Indian billionaires behind it,
and the type of crowd that they reckon wants to
see it. But you know they've got to do something
because we just cannot allow, you know, that this to
be like in ten years time, Hezly doesn't play.

Speaker 6 (27:22):
Teat crioket anymore.

Speaker 11 (27:24):
We've got January this year, no tease cricket. I mean,
it's just something something someone with brains has got to
sit together with these rich billionaires that now run the game,
and most of them in India and safe the game
because you just can't. We don't want to stop these

(27:47):
come from behind wins on what not. Traditionally the wool
powers of cricket from happening and Pakistan last night came
back from behind to beat England. I mean that was
very sweet as well, and very weirdly it was on
YouTube for free if people didn't know. I found that
quite into so anyway, just just overall fantastic result came out,

(28:11):
I know where in good on Ian Smith for fronting
up and saying you know, mate, I was tuffed it up.
Set it was a revelation.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Love it, love it, saying ye look like like you.
I've always thought test cricket is the best cricket. I
know that it doesn't. It doesn't measure up financially to
the juggernaut that is T twenty. But I agree with
you on the fifty over stuff. Got to find a
way to I mean, the irrelevance now of bilateral fifty
over series. You know, look, if it was just if

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it was just test test matches and T twenties and
fifty overs was just restricted to tournaments I'd be quite happy,
quite happy T twenty pays the Bills Test cricketers. It's
the fabric of the game. Andrew, Hi, Okay, Barney, here
you go. Very good, Andrew.

Speaker 14 (29:00):
I think goodness for the black Cats, so we don't
have to talk about awful the bits Worth.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Oh, they were okay in the first half. Andrew, I
thought they were okay in the first half.

Speaker 6 (29:09):
AnyWho, I think we can agree to disagree on that.

Speaker 14 (29:14):
You reckon, Mitch Satin that can play first five?

Speaker 2 (29:18):
Well, I reckon, I reckon yesterday. I reckon you give him,
you give him any positions on any sporting team. He's
just got to He's got a hot hand at the moment,
is they? But I look, did you see that coming?

Speaker 15 (29:27):
Really?

Speaker 16 (29:28):
Well?

Speaker 14 (29:30):
No, not to the extent, but I am surprised at
the surprise shown that Mitch Sentner's performance. For the first time,
he's been able to bowl on a wicket that offers assistance.
You know, when he bowls over here, we all marvel
at as flight and control as we used to do
with the inventory. But now that he's been put in

(29:52):
conditions where not only can he use that flight and control,
he actually has a pitch that turns and to be
fair turned square at times. Yeah, I think he's a
fantastic cricketer and too, you know, I'd be almost going
down the road of let's not have green seema friendby
wickets in New Zealand. They have one that turns on

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day four and five. We have players that can exploit.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
You well that that famous sum stat that A J. S.
Battel has never taken a Test wicket in New Zealand
is one that you know. And you know we're known
for our dirty green seamers and that's I'm sure what
we'll get for these three Tests against England. But if
we are to develop our spin bowlers, yeah, we've got
to give them something to bowl on. Back here, I'm
just looking at Mitchell Sander's bowling in the Subcontinent and

(30:41):
he hasn't had a heck of a lot of opportunity.
But you're right. I look it back at twenty sixteen
against India and Campo. He got got five wickets in Yeah,
he got five wigets in a Test match, got four
at Eden Garden, so he got nine across two Test
matches over there. Yeah, I think, but I think you're right.
I think back here because our wickets are so not

(31:01):
conducive to his type of bowling that he just becomes
a stop bowler ready, doesn't he just tying up one end?
Never runs through a team?

Speaker 14 (31:09):
Yeah, and does a fantastic Joe Bennett. No spinner in
New Zealand conditions is going to run through a team,
you know. If We've had some pretty good spinners tour
this country, and I can't think of many that have
run through a team, you know, like he did in
India over the last few days. Yeah, he said, I've
been a long time trying to think of the works.

Speaker 9 (31:30):
I said that, and linguid as the one I settled off.

Speaker 14 (31:33):
I don't think I've ever seen a sportsman he was
more relexed. They'd be lying down. He just like everything
he does seems I don't know, it's like he's playing
the game in slow motion.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yeah. And maybe that's the secret, Andrew, Maybe that's the secret.
Maybe you know, a relaxed state of mind. Well, they
say it's good for golf, don't they. They always say
that if you if you can clear your mind and
be pretty relaxed, you'll be a good golfer. And Mitchell
Senter's a scratch golfer. Maybe it translates across the cricket
as well. Thanks for your call, mate, and nineteen away
from one full board at the moment, I eight hundred

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and eighty teen eighty or your thoughts fire text on
nine two ninety two Back with more of your calls
after this.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
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Speaker 2 (32:23):
Twelve forty five News Talks EDB I eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty. Dobbo, You've watched a lot of sport.
Where is the stand mate?

Speaker 17 (32:30):
Mate?

Speaker 6 (32:30):
It's the everest of crickets and the quotes a red.

Speaker 15 (32:33):
We finally knocked the bustard off sixty nine years of trying.
Nineteen sixty nine was one all the closest we ever
got the beating in nineteen sixty nine one. All the
third tests were in control and it rained, so.

Speaker 18 (32:45):
We would deny it.

Speaker 15 (32:47):
Unbelievable, but may.

Speaker 6 (32:49):
Look, I'll be the first time.

Speaker 15 (32:50):
I'm sure others have, but we are an unreserved apology
to Mitch Center. Sorry Mitch, but can I just put
this in perspective. Before this Test match, Satan had played
twenty eight tests most and pretty miserable, averaging forty two
point two runs per wicked. Cain Williamson has a better
bowling average than than Mitch Sentner.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
Has changed now, yes, and when you.

Speaker 15 (33:15):
Look at that context, he was terrible against Sri Lanka
was the one test. I'ms done. The cracketing world's done.

Speaker 8 (33:23):
But good on him.

Speaker 15 (33:24):
And it just shows as other causes said Piney, we
need to have a Test, but are playing at home
and a lot more tests. It's shocking.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Yeah, it's absolutely shocking. I totally agreed to her. And
and you look at other teams and we have to
back aspiners. Look at Australia right, no matter if it's
the dirtiest green seamer out there, Nathan Lyon plays every Test.

Speaker 15 (33:44):
And this is the other thing, because I mean with
Glenn Phillips and that Test we lost in Wellington where
we had the Aussies on the ropes and then got
that one hundred plus tenth wicket stand where didn't bowl
Phillips for the second inning. For the second thing, so
they've made mistake after mistake, poor decision after poor decision.
I didn't think Senter deserved to be on this tour.
I looked at the ICC Bowl rankings for Tests. He's

(34:07):
ranked seventy sixth in the world. I mean, just defies belief.
But just to quick shout out to Latham because he
was playing ballsy attacking with the in out and yes
their run rate was round five, six, seven, even eight
and when the new ball was fresh. That was really
gutsy bold captain c which we didn't see from from Southey.

Speaker 6 (34:32):
And when you.

Speaker 15 (34:32):
Think that Lathan came into this Test series him being
out in the first over of three of his four
previous innings before this Indian tour and the last Test
against Srilanka, Lathan was out in the first over twice
in that second Test. I don't think he's Illeoten has
had that before twice in the first over, so he
was in no form. Satana well, he was making up

(34:53):
the numbers and both of them have turned out hero.
So from Zara at a hero, we tip our hats. Wonderful,
wonderful time.

Speaker 11 (34:59):
For New Zealand cricket.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Wonderful stuff from you Dovo, Good on you mate, thanks
for calling. Always enjoy our chats. Twelve and a half
to one. Hello, Sean, Yeah, hi, poney.

Speaker 5 (35:08):
Well, one of the big points of the of the
weekend with winning the cricket is that the fact we've
had three captains have win won in India. And guess
where the three captains all come from?

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Oh where you come from?

Speaker 7 (35:22):
Short?

Speaker 2 (35:22):
I know what you're going to say here.

Speaker 5 (35:24):
Yes, they're good cantabs, Yes they are.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
You're so right. I saw that stat yesterday, so you reckon?
I mean, what were we doing sending teams to India
with captains from other places?

Speaker 5 (35:36):
I ask myself, that's right, Yes, we've changed the captains.
Earlier we'd have been right.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
Exactly What did you make of it? Those Sean? I mean,
what an achievement?

Speaker 5 (35:46):
Oh yeah yeah, well Billians and sat you know, everybody's
moans about him usually, but he's always there and he's
he's consistent.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Yeah, well he I think the I think the reason
there's frustration aroundhim is because he just doesn't get wickets.
This is this is an outline. Like I said at
the top of the show, Shawn, twenty percent of his
Test wickets came in the last two days.

Speaker 5 (36:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I think that's where.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
The frustration comes from is the fact that he just
if he's picked as a spinner, he needs to be
able to pick up, you know, pick up red ball wickets,
and he just hasn't been able to do that for
whatever reason. Back here, it's harder, right, the pictures aren't
conducive to it. Over there, he's often been I don't
think he's been the front line spinner. In fact, in
this game he's not. He's not the number one spinner.
I think you look at this, this eleven that's been
picked for this Test match and so a Jes Bettel's

(36:31):
a number one spinner. Mitch Center's next, and then you
know Glenn Phillipson Ruchen didn't get much of a go really.
But as Dylan cleav said, if you were going to pick,
if someone said he before the Test and he jellan
spinner is going to get thirteen wickets, there's no way
you land on Mitchell Center. You land on ajs Bettel.
Thanks Shawan and good good flying of the red and
Black flag from you, mate, Tony high Hi.

Speaker 19 (36:53):
I guess that cricket's never going to be up for
the Team of the Awards for the Hulberg's ever again.
And I don't think everyone has been in the past,
but they've got.

Speaker 11 (37:03):
To get it this time.

Speaker 19 (37:04):
This is so incredible, phenomenal, sorry that it outshines any
other sporting tame ever.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Well, I think the black Caps, sorry Tony, think the
black Caps won that they did one it in twenty
one when they won the World Test Championship. But I
guess then you think to yourself, Okay, yes, this is
a this is a wonderful achievement. And this probably correlates
to the White Funds as well. The White Funds have
won a World Cup, but they were terrible before that.
I'm not saying that the black Caps were terrible. But
apart from the series, if you look at if you

(37:34):
hover above the year, what's the year being like or
do you just look at this one pinnacle event say
well that that trumps everything.

Speaker 19 (37:42):
Well, I think it does you it's just you know,
the comparison with Everest is is there. I mean, there's
never going to be a bigger mountain and I doest
well everyone does it now, but under the circumstances of
the day, no one was ever going to do what
Hillary did. Again in the circumstances of the day, and

(38:03):
New Zealand will never beat India in it at cricket
in your my lifetime and probably not in yours or
our children's, our grandchildren.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Yeah, well it's when we've got four and seventy years, Tony.
It's not a great strike rate, is it that you
know that? I've seen those conversations as well. Thanks for
you come mate, around the Helbergs and things like that.
I think this feels like a moment of the year candidate.
You know when you when you're looking for your team
of the year and it's tough in Olympic year, isn't it?

(38:35):
Because you've got the gold medalists too always, I mean
that's a pinnacle as well. But then and how do
you compare how do you compare winning a gold medal
and rugby sevens at the Olympic Games, or what the
the K four kayak and crew did, or what even
what Lisa Carrington and and Aalisia Hoskin did as a
team in the K two. How do you compare that

(38:57):
to what the Black Caps have done here and utterly
historic achievement which has never been done before across seven
decades of trying. Does that trump and Olympic gold medal.
It's an impossible comparison to make, but my gut just
tells me that what's happened here in Poune is a
candidate for sports Moment of the Year. That's how it

(39:20):
feels to me anyway. Eight to one talks.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Breaking down the Hail Mary's and the epic fails Weekend
Sport with Jason yin News Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Five to one. Thanks for your calls and correspondence on
the cricket, Charlie, Saysponi. Now we've beaten India in India.
Which other nations have we won a series against and
not won a series against in their backyard? Charlie, great question.
Fortunately I have the answer for you. The only country
of the Test playing nations that we haven't beaten in
a Test series on their home soil as South Africa.

(39:55):
Now that we've beaten India, that ticks that box. We've
beaten Sri Lanka, Australia, England, the West Indies, Bangladesh, parkerson Stan.
The only one we haven't beaten is South Africa. That
is the one unchecked box, Hi, Jason, not just win

(40:18):
but dominate India, not once but twice, says Peter. Best
ever performance by the black Caps over a fortnight period. Yeah,
love it, Peter and from Dave and Queenstown. This is
a massive victory for the black Caps. It's the everest
of world cricket. Not only is it the first time
won a series in India, but the first time any
country has won a series India for over four thousand days. Amazing.

(40:40):
I'm stoked for Saudi and Santna as well. Both showed
their experience and their skill. I'm feeling a lot more
confident now about the upcoming series against England, for sure, Dave,
I think we all are. I think we all are.
Be interesting to see what happens in the third Test
over there. Let's not forget there's another Test between India
and New Zealand to come. Series is one, but there's
a third Test. Imagine winning three knel over there, just

(41:01):
to make a complete joke of it. Anyway, that's all
to come. Thanks, as I say, for all of your
calls and correspondence on the cricket. Been great fun celebrating.
After the one o'clock news, we'll flick our attention across
to rugby. The All Black's yesterday beating Japan and the
first Test of their Northern tour assistant coach Jason Ryan
with us.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
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Speaker 2 (41:27):
Sport Used Talks one seven. Welcome inn. This is weekend
Sport till three. I'm Jason Pine, Andy McDonald will show producer.
It'll make great to be celebrating some cricket day. What
a week to ten days, White Ferns World champions, Black
Caps doing something they've never done before. It's just so
much more pleasant, isn't it chatting about how good our

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teams are? Loving it?

Speaker 17 (41:52):
Long?

Speaker 2 (41:52):
May it continue? All black shortly Live sport. Game two
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(42:14):
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(42:36):
like to comment on are eight hundred and eighty ten
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Speaker 20 (42:42):
And that's good. Out to the back line. They'd love
to finish on a high as well, but it's a
messy on the deck. Ruben Lovesender sapt to that, and
Rebend loves hit a store a second on Debu when
I was flats out of nowhere by the All Blacks,
and that is a full time store in Yokohama sixty.

Speaker 18 (43:02):
Four nineteen.

Speaker 17 (43:05):
Japan started with a hester roar, but the All Blacks
blues them away, and the All Blacks start the end
of su with a victory in Yokohama.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Yes I do, Elliott Smith with TheCall last night the
All Blacks sixty four Japan, nineteen and impress. A first
half blitz the All Black scoring seven tries, a bit
messy in the second half, but then ending on a
high Hurricane Ruben Love coming off the bench for his
test debut and scoring a couple of lake tries. All
Black's assistant coach Jason Ryan joins us on Weekend Sport. Jase,

(43:38):
what pleased you the most about the performance.

Speaker 8 (43:43):
Probably how you know we look at a lot of
yating guys took their opportunity. Really there's a different looking
all back team when you think about it. So I
think I think the fact that it wasn't perfect, it
was good for us as well. You know we started,
they put us on our heels, but we stayed really
composed and some young guys have really got us thinking

(44:05):
and on our and it's exciting.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
You know.

Speaker 8 (44:07):
Like last time we played Japan we won by four points,
so to actually put them way away quite convincingly at
the end was pleasing.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
So how much pressure are some of these players who
played in this test mates putting on some of the
incumbents I guess even the ones who have gone on
ahead to England.

Speaker 8 (44:28):
Well, look at any any All Black you know, whether
not their debut, or they've played fifty odd tests, or
you know that they're in the single figures of test
matches that they get an opportunity. So was obviously sent
some boys to London that are over there, but we're
pretty clear on the squad. I think after tonight that
we want to pack it against England. But you know,

(44:48):
we celebrate the fact that you know, we're too new
all Blacks. That that's special on its own, and any
Test winners special. But I just think with how we
did this week and that the pressure they put on
with selection and around multiple positions, I think it's really encouraging.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
I just want to pick up on that point, Jase.
The players who have been sent on to England, I
think we can all assume they'll start next weekend. Were
you asking the players who played against Japan to put
pressure on you as selectors as you look to name
you twenty three for next weekend and for the big
Test to come.

Speaker 8 (45:21):
Yeah, I think that's a fair question. Look, yeah, we
don't say we want them to put pressure on us.
We just want them to take their opportunity. Or if
we talk too much for younger guys that are trying
to find their way at the Test there or about pressure,
well that that will make them tighten up. But you know,
if you look at a few individuals, if you look
at Passilotossi, he started his first Test match as tidied today.

(45:43):
He went really well, Sammapenny Fee. Now I've got another
opportunity at six. He hasn't had much test foot. He
did really well. Even I suffer more, you know, like
I'm just talking the forwards point of view, but it
gets us thinking, and obviously Cam Raguard back as well
with something. Well, you know, it just makes us think

(46:04):
differently about our selection and make the boys understand this's
going to be a hard team to pack. And when
we get that, and when we build these guys confidence
and they get exposed to test rugby and pressure moments,
that's exciting.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
How happy were you with your ship, Peace, Yeah, I
think we had.

Speaker 8 (46:21):
I think we had some good moments. I think, you know,
we got some quality ball where we need it and
when we needed it. I thought Patty did a great
job during the week and calling our line out options.
For example, they obviously scored a couple of tries fast
off set piece plays that we'll need to look at
in the review. That will give us something to think

(46:42):
about as we head to London. But I think overall
we got the quality ball we needed. But you know,
by no means satisfied.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
I guess you mentioned Patrick to Piloto there he wore
the armband of course in this one. Can you tell
us about Patrick twee Piloto's week as All Blacks captain
for the first time.

Speaker 8 (47:01):
Oh, been outstanding, to be honest, that's it was a
real moment when you know, we had a conversation as coaches.
You know, we knew what was going to happen with
Scooter heating over to England early with the other boys,
and we talked around it. We're really clear who our
captain was going to be for this week, and we
let Patty know really well, really early, and you know,

(47:23):
right from the time raised the rung him. He was
an emotional moment for him, you know, with his family
and to lead the All Blacks and I think he's
the eighty second captain. It's not many out of twelve
hundred plus All Blacks, so he really got around the boys.
He gave them so much confidence just how he delivers
his message. His experienced All Black now and got around
the younger boys and just had little conversations during the

(47:45):
week behind the scenes. We're not that's at dinner or
after a meeting and just helping guys out and couldn't
speak high enough, and he played exceptional well too, I thought.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Indeed indeed he did. And you talk about the twelve
hundred plus all Blacks, you added two new names All
Black twelve hundred and twenty two Peter Larkeye, All Black
twelve hundred and twenty three is Ruben Love. Couple of
tries for Reuben Love on his day? Bot. How do
you celebrate new boys in the all Blacks?

Speaker 5 (48:12):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (48:12):
Really special was We just had a you know, we
call it the All Black circle, and we're really grateful
that we had very metallic Aaron Smith, Dane Coles, Sam
Whitelocke in the sheds with us, and we celebrated and
Sam came presented him with his all Black tie and
to Pete he's been rooming with them all week, and then.

Speaker 5 (48:35):
T J.

Speaker 8 (48:36):
Perrenara presented Reuben with his So it's just great to
have those legends in the room. You know, three hundred
test all blacks. It's pretty special. And obviously Colsey he's
had a lot to do with the Saffo and that
sort of thing from Afar, So having those boys in
the shed that are over here in Japan was a
special moment. So that's a celebration. But we'll get around

(48:56):
them and stay in at the hotel tonight and with
an early flight to London, so we'll get around them
and have some dinner and enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Around the sort of fifteen that mark, you brought six
players on at the same time. It looked like a
bit of a bomb squad all coming on together. Was
that always the plan to bring on multiple subs at
the same time with about half an hour ago.

Speaker 8 (49:17):
Now, look, you talk about different situations that might happen
in the game, but you know, we were a point
where we're a few points up, weren't we, and we're
just like, right, let's get all the boys on. And man,
that can have its challenges at times as well, and
we probably lost a little bit of momentum, whether or
not that was through the changes or our decision making
on need to look a little bit further at that.

(49:38):
But you know, those boys have all trained really well,
so get them out there and get into it. You
know someone's going to be brave, and we did that,
and you know all they all had good little individual moments.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
So you've used forty two players now in twenty twenty four,
and there have been a bunch of guys who played
against Japan who haven't had a heck of a lot
of opportunity up until now, and you mentioned a couple
of them before, Jase, how much of a coaching challenge
is it to manage a large group of players, all
of who want to play, but many of who will
only get limited opportunities. How challenging is that as a

(50:11):
coaching group.

Speaker 8 (50:13):
Yeah, look, it can be if you're not upfront. It's
a challenge. If you're not upfront with him, you know,
you just can't, you know. But they know that we're
not just going to give out all black caps. You know,
we want to pick our best test team that we
think will win the test in front of us. And
they needed to train extremely well, put pressure on the

(50:35):
other boys during the training week. You know, they still
get opportunities at training. We review each training hard and
that sometimes life isn't all black, and well it is.
Life is an all black that you're going to get
a limited opportunitey, but when you do get it, take
your chance.

Speaker 21 (50:51):
You know.

Speaker 8 (50:51):
Probably an example that is have a penny fee area
bit of a you know, play two tests against England.
He knows himself and he wasn't quite where he needed
to be, and he's gone away, he put on a
bit of weight, some good size, and now he's come
back and played this Test and he should have a
lot of confidence from it. So the margins are close
and small for those players to perform at the highest

(51:11):
level on the world stage at Test rugby. But we
made no excuse about that because that's that's how the
All Blacks should.

Speaker 12 (51:19):
Be, all right.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
And the players who have gone on ahead to England,
they left before the Japan Test, what will they have
been doing before the rest of you arrive and catch
them up.

Speaker 8 (51:28):
Yes, so we obviously we had a bit of a
hitdout during the week, just a bit of a training
a couple of scenarios against Panasonic, so that was really good.
And they've got a game plan effectively already that we've
been talking around, for example, put in context their line
out menu and what we sort of feel we'll run

(51:49):
there with with Tupoby and Scott Barretty and over there.
So they'll have a look at that. But there's no
guarantees that they are the guys that will be in
that squad either, but you know, there's a fair indication
that we're sent them there for a reason and to
get ahead of the travel that's coming up. But they
know which game we want to play. We've had leaders
meetings were needed to so that we can hit the

(52:09):
Northern Tour running because efectfully, we've got a four week
for England and in six days at Ireland, so they
need to be on the front foot and that's why
we did it to keep these boys. Are those boys fresh?
Three big tests, three or four big tests in a row?

Speaker 2 (52:24):
All right? Yeah, exciting times ahead for you and for
All Blacks fans as well. Congratulations on the win over Japan. Jason,
thanks for jetting to us.

Speaker 8 (52:31):
Safe travels, mate, no worries, Thank you.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
Thank you, Jase. Jason Ryan there, assistant coach of the
All Blacks sixty four nineteen. Your thoughts you've heard from
Jason Ryan. He seemed pretty happy with large parts of it.
You know, I think really good first half, messy, scratchy, imprecise,
second probably didn't really matter by then they did it
And as far as the score is concerned, I know,
we know demand perfection from the All Blacks, or we
certainly like it when they play well and it's on

(52:56):
the first half they did, oh eight one hundred and
eighty ten eighty. Any observations on the All Blacks Test
match yesterday in particular, anybody there who you thought put
real pressure on the selectors in terms of their decision making.
Jason Ryan said that we don't want the players to
put pressure on us. We just want them to play well.

Speaker 13 (53:17):
Well.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
I think playing well does give the selection, the selection committee,
the selectors, whoever is who picks the team, it does
give them some food for thought. So who played well?
Because we know that the guys who have gone on
ahead are going to start next week all things being equal, right,
even though Jason Ryan said then they're not necessarily the

(53:39):
guys are going to start, you'd have to think, I mean,
that's been sent on for a reason, so that all start.
But who yesterday put their hand up and said, you
know what, I should start too, or at the very
least be in the twenty three who played well? Oh
eight hundred and eighty ten O y, who's still out
for you when you're watching that game? Who caught your eye?

(54:02):
Wallace to Titi again. He was very very good in
the last Test against Australia and Wellington and excellent again,
and I know there's lots of chat about what number
he wears. He always played at number eight for the Chiefs,
didn't they And it was just barnstorming there got the
chance to wear the eight from the start yesterday. What

(54:23):
a player he could be. Wallace to tt I thought
he was among the best out there. I thought Billy
Proctor was very good. I don't think he has had
the opportunities this year that his ability and his form
has warranted. I remember one drop ball. Otherwise pretty good though,
scooed to try. As I said yesterday, I reckon he
has earned at least the right to be in the

(54:46):
conversation to start at thirteen over one of the next
three weekends. It might not be England because I think
Riko Yowani has gone ahead, so he's probably going to
start at thirteen against England. I think Billy Proctor has
earned the right, I reckon, to be in the conversation
for the third end jumper against France or Island. Some
I'm a penny fee now. Look. I think he bounced

(55:07):
back really well. He was really disappointing against England in
those first two Test matches, and off the bench against
South Africa. What was that in joe Berg or Cape Town?
One of the two anyway, came off the bench and
jas Ryan again even said there you know, by his
own admission, he wasn't where he needed to be. I
thought some a penny for now. Had a really good
game yesterday, showed physicality. Yes, of course it was against
the lesser opposition, but it'll give him confidence. Patrick two

(55:30):
plot two led well, scored a try, played well, a
really special moment for him and I think Mark de
Layer outpointed severa Reese so probably earns the right wing
spot for next week. Caleb Clark's gone on her head
to help play on the left wing. I think Mark
to Layer probably outpointed sever rees yesterday. Anyone who caught
you're right, anyone who you think has given the selector

(55:50):
some food for thought or any thoughts in general on
the Test match. It almost seems like a bit of
a bit of an entree to the main course, doesn't it.
Sort of one to get out of the way and
then the big three course meal to come England, Island,
France over the next three weekends. Can't wait back with
your cause on the All Blacks after this one twenty

(56:10):
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Speaker 2 (56:21):
Be one twenty five. Barry on Texas Pint. We've still
got a few problems with our bench, our historically strong
bench not functioning the way it should be. Yeah, they
put on six once, didn't they? Bell Talking, the Fussy
new Lord, Larkeye and pet Nada all came on at
the same time, didn't they? Then David Harvilly and then
later on Rubin Love. We've got a couple of tries
right at the end. Yeah, it felt weird, didn't it.

(56:44):
It's not us. We don't bomb squad. We tend to
bring players on as and when required. Yes, sometimes a
couple of front rows come on at the same time.
But to see six come on at once, it just
didn't feel right from us. Even Jason Ryan said, you know,
we didn't plan to do it it. Sometimes, you know,
things happen. Yeah, I'm not sure I loved it, and

(57:06):
you're right, I'm not sure we got great impact from
our bench yesterday. Berry. Another box tick, though, was the
return of Cam roy Guard six months out with a
knee injury. He was back out there last night again.
But I mean and and you know, unsurprisingly a bit scratchy.
Had one opportunity when he had he had about six
guys outside of didn't he and he dummed and went
for the line and didn't make it. Luckily the All

(57:27):
Black School shortly afterwards. But yeah, good to see Cam
roy Guard back out there. How was he feeling post match?
Here's Elliot Smith with Cam roy Guard.

Speaker 18 (57:34):
Cam how did it feel to be back out in
All Black? Susie?

Speaker 21 (57:37):
He has alsome loved it. It was something that I
sort of set my eyes towards when I first injured myself.
It's probably six and a half seven months ago now,
so fred to sort of come true sort of the
goals that we set and to be out there tonight
was pretty special from a personal perspective. And I guess
to get the performance that were after with a win
obviously is I guess pleasing as well and pretty stoked

(57:59):
for Reuben and Pete to get their debuts. It was
special week for them and it was great that they
both went out there and sort of played their footy
that they love to do.

Speaker 18 (58:06):
You know Roubs getting couple of trip it's pretty cool too.
How to feel he went with the pace of the
game and everything like that. It was good.

Speaker 21 (58:11):
I feel like it was a good test for myself
getting back to the test level. You know, Japan liked
to play very fast and try to get into that
chaotic constructured the type of play, So I feel like
that was good for I guess set me up in
terms of that fast footy leading into I guess the
next games, next couple of games. So yeah, from a
personal perspective, it was good to be back out there
and yeah, definitely felt ready for test Rugui.

Speaker 6 (58:31):
And it was good.

Speaker 20 (58:32):
Just obviously mentioned that the debuts as well. How special
to see those two have the first all black jusis.

Speaker 21 (58:38):
Yeah, it was awesome. You know, I live with Reuben,
so I sort of know the ends and outs of sort.

Speaker 18 (58:42):
Of how he goes about his work.

Speaker 21 (58:43):
He's a very dedicated and motivated person that has worked
extremely hard to get to the position that he is
in today. So it was no surprise to me that
he was going to go out there and perform like
he did. Playing out a position on the wing as well,
but just the way he sort of just flitted in
with the group and was able to sort of be himself,
like I said, was really pleasing to watch. And he's

(59:05):
someone that's, like I said, so focused and driven, so
to see him out there with a smile on his
face is pretty cool as well. And Pete obviously a
little bit different getting his opportunity through injury Ben Corden,
you know, only just last week, so so we're having
a little bit quicker for him, but we obviously know
how well he goes through playing with him at the Hurricanes,
you know, the ability to play seven and eight and

(59:25):
slipping as he has be himself and look like he's
been playing, you know, forever, so at this level. So
it's ready please of both of them and obviously the
other Hurricanes boys.

Speaker 18 (59:35):
It was awesome to be back out.

Speaker 16 (59:36):
There with him.

Speaker 11 (59:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
Good to have cam roy Guard back out there as well.
So he's given the selectors a bit of thinking to
go around that half back spot for next week. I
think at the very least he'll be in the twenty three,
won't he cam roy Guard what he showed there against England.
I guess it just depends on which way they want
to go with Cortes, Laptima, t J pett Andata and
Cam Roy guard with the half back spots. Elliot Smith

(59:57):
has just sent through an interview he's done with Scott
Robertson as well at the airport, just as the All
Blacks are about to fly out for the UK. So
here's Elliott with Razor.

Speaker 20 (01:00:06):
Just firstly with your thoughts again on last night and
how it set you up for the next few weeks.

Speaker 22 (01:00:11):
Yeah, reflect back and it's increding. Great moments and in
the game, wasn't it And there was there are times
we couldn't build pressure in the second half and they
came back. He had the ball for long periods of time.
Japan a good team there. They were big, they're physical
and had their moments and really proud of defense. A

(01:00:31):
lot of the time. We did a lot of covering tackles,
strong set piece and really good stuff and don't work
on areas as normal.

Speaker 18 (01:00:40):
Everyone's come through on scales injury wise.

Speaker 22 (01:00:42):
Yeah, we're good. We're clean, Bill, So if one is
good that no one's coming and there's no messages on
the the what'sapps, that's.

Speaker 20 (01:00:51):
Good squad updates. You obviously have three players left behind
in New Zealm. What's the latest on on those three?

Speaker 22 (01:00:57):
Look, Jack Maison won't be joining us with the thumb
army set operation on it. The other two pushing at
the moment. See if they're going to be available for
host Ireland French game.

Speaker 18 (01:01:08):
It's the last two weeks that Dalton and Ethan might
be able to join you.

Speaker 22 (01:01:12):
Yeah, sorry you give your names? Dalton and Ethan. Yeah,
looking on track to be either for Ireland or France available.

Speaker 18 (01:01:18):
So does Peter like I stay with the squad? Yes,
he does coreat you know when I was joining all.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
Staying We will keep.

Speaker 22 (01:01:28):
Lordie. He'll stay with us just until we make sure.
We'll make you a call on the other two loose forwards.
Who's the best one to come over?

Speaker 20 (01:01:36):
Jordy Barrett has he tracking? Obviously didn't play you still
they send him over early? Haven't seen him playing the
rugby in a wee while.

Speaker 22 (01:01:42):
Look, he's trained well with us training a high level,
good intensity, he's kicking the ball well. He he's available
for selection.

Speaker 18 (01:01:50):
A big boost obviously having him back in the in
the mix.

Speaker 22 (01:01:52):
It gives your depth to the squad and a lot
of experience.

Speaker 20 (01:01:56):
Before on England. Obviously send them twice early on in
the season. What do you expect from them? They haven't
played since obviously, what do you expect from they're talking
to them?

Speaker 22 (01:02:02):
Oh, look, you know they're obviously still be mech fit.
You know their parts are playing in the pimanship, great
camp and you know they'll be ready. They've been under
Steve for a while now. It seems a long time
ago since we've paid them. A lot can have been
in between the look, we're playing good footy. They they

(01:02:22):
are paying a little bit more foot than their head before,
so it can be exciting week.

Speaker 20 (01:02:25):
How do you feel you've grown as a squad since
that series way back in the July lot.

Speaker 22 (01:02:30):
We've been on tour a few times, We've experienced some
different environments. You know, we're a lot more connected and
understanding of our game. So yeah, look we're in a
good spot.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
That is Scott Robertson speaking with Elliott Smith a short
time ago, just before they all hopped on the plane
to get to the UK. So next Sunday morning, four
o'clock New Zealand time, all Blacks England at Twickenham. I
think we can have a fairly a fairly assured guest
at the team, can't we so no ethan to group
we heard there, so you think to mighty Williams will

(01:03:04):
wear the one jersey so to be him, Cody Taylor,
Tyrell Lomax, Scott Barrett to Porvaii, I'd say Wallace Stiti
will probably go back to six, Sam Canes, seven, Arty
sav eight. Interesting what they do at halfback, that's probably
one of the bigger questions. Boden bar it will be
first five. Jeordi Barrett, by the sounds of it, is
fit for selection. So he and Ricco You're one in midfield,
Caleb Clark on the left, I'd say Mark Talaya on

(01:03:26):
the right, and then Will Jordan at fullback. That feels
like the team to me. Maybe they'll mix and match
around in the bench positions, but otherwise I think it's
a fairly straightforward selection for Scott Robertson and others to
make ahead of the England Test. Four o'clock next Sunday morning.
We'll have a full life commentary with Elliott and Gregor
Paul here on News Talks here b twenty eight to

(01:03:46):
two weekends for it rugby League doubleheader in christ Church
today Pacific Championship kee We Ferns Jill ARUs that's at
three thirty five and then the key weis play the
Kangaroo's at five past six. Give us it's a Griffin
name name.

Speaker 23 (01:04:05):
Name.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
What's the s for New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
It's a record went over Australia.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
For New Zealand. Thanks thirty points to Neil. Yeah, that
was the final last year. Thirty nerl at New Zealand
Betting Australia. Joseph tupp And he was on that side
and will again be a part of the Kiwi side tonight.
He joins us. Now, Joseph, that's thirty nil one. What
went so well for the Kiwis that day?

Speaker 16 (01:04:34):
I think we just took back to basics. Training that
week was all, you know, it was pretty light. It
was all in the head, so we kind of refreshed.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
And as far as when the game's been played out
and the score starting to mount, I mean you're playing Australia,
who have been your toughest adversary for a long time.
What's the feeling is the points start to matt and
you think, hey, something pretty special is happening here.

Speaker 16 (01:04:58):
Yeah, one hundred percent. I wasn't really comfortable to the
last probably fifteen minutes because you know, as you have
quality through the park, so you just stay in there grind. Luckily,
you know, we kept them to nil, and the any
thing is we've got to back it up this year
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
Yeah, and I guess with have been so long ago,
is there any way you can take momentum from that
game into twenty twenty four or are we really just
talking about a clean slate here?

Speaker 16 (01:05:24):
Yeah, it's pretty hard fast Qui Boys because we didn't
really get the opportunity to play Reverybody as much they
get Origins and and stuff like that, so it's pretty
hard to build commos for us. But with injury as
well this year, it's been it's going to be a
pretty tough slog. But yeah, it's pretty clean. I think
it's going to be a lot of changes to the
squad and yeah, we've just got to stuff from the

(01:05:45):
beginning and it's tough of that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
Do you find when you get together with the Kiwi
Boys that those connections and the cohesion is pretty quickly
found again though, yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:05:53):
One hundred percent. You know, we've got the same kind
of humor, so so we kind of we bond really quickly.
But you know, when you go back to nrour level,
everyone's at the same plays, just different names, so it's
pretty pretty easy to kind of it together. But you know,
enjoying your time in camp is a huge part of
of being in these camps as well.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
How much of a leadership responsibility do you feel in
this key we side.

Speaker 16 (01:06:17):
Yeah, yeah, I'm lucky to be a part of the
leadership group, And like Fisher, I don't talk as much,
but I like leading the action, so you know, I
take the responsibility and I try to do that every performance.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
I say, it was announced to the at the Raiders
Prize giving you're going to be full time skipper next year.
You're filled on a couple of times or more than
a couple of times already. Do you feel like you're
going to have to use use a few more words
next year or it'll still be mainly your actions?

Speaker 16 (01:06:44):
You lead by no, I think both. You know, my
actions speak louder than words, but you know I still
have a saying Yeah. Obviously I was learning through off
the back of Elliot and you know, talking to four
Games and stuff like that, so I just got to
keep building on that. But I'm really excited. It's been
a huge goal of mine and you know it's I

(01:07:07):
hope to take my game to another little Well.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
It's been at a really good level this year. You
played every game, delim Team of the Year, Raiders Player
of the Year again, third straight season, two hundred NURL appearances.
You brought up, how do you reflect on the last
six months?

Speaker 16 (01:07:21):
Yeah, it's been huge, I think huge respective when I
had my daughter. She's her, My wife is such a
huge drive for me, and you know she's coming on
two next year, so you know that's reasons to play
harder and you know, be a bit of player, bit

(01:07:41):
of provider.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
Do you find it gives you a balance as well,
because I'm sure she doesn't care about the result.

Speaker 16 (01:07:46):
Nah, that's that's a huge balance. After a loss, I
look for her in the crowd and it brings back
perspective and you know it's only a game of footy
and you know there's bigger things in my life.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
You guys came home pretty pretty strong, three straight wins
to end the season, but but missing the eight on
points differential. How gutting was that for you guys?

Speaker 16 (01:08:04):
Yeah, it's uh, it's pretty you know, heartbreaking knowing that,
you know, especially their quality sides, that our team have
the ability to win, but probably not the consistency this year,
and there'll be a big focus point next year in
our consistent performances and you know, trying to minimize those blowouts.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
And just back to the Kiwis again, lots of chat
about how international rugby league can become a bit more
relevant and amongst a packed in URL season state of origin.
As you mentioned before, I heard Chance nicol Klok start
earlier this week say you know that he'd like the
key we used to be together more. Do you share
those sentiments? Would you like to see you know, more
opportunities for test rugby league.

Speaker 16 (01:08:44):
Yeah, one hundred percent. I think that's because that's out
in the core of our game and to get those
opportunities to play and be amongst our boys, like I
think it used to be like the anti Tests, and
that is huge for us. You know, we have to
sit back and watch in origins and it's a huge
part of NRL's origin. It's probably the biggest part. But
you know, we just want to equal opportunity to represent

(01:09:07):
our country and get those high quality games.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
But the way it does now, I mean, you play
every game right and in a physically demanding sport and
in a physically demanding position within that sport, that must
take a huge toll on your body, does it?

Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:09:22):
It does?

Speaker 16 (01:09:23):
But you know, I think these days everyone is so professional.
But yeah, we get a good break after. But you know,
when Keywis come up, I'm always excited to get in camp.
So it doesn't really matter. My body might have a
little bumps and bruises in it, but yeah, people like
you know, people like Penriffin have been in the Grand

(01:09:45):
finals last four or five years. Their bodies must.

Speaker 14 (01:09:48):
Be worth Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
All right mate, Well we're looking forward to seeing you
with the Kiwis for the upcoming Pacific Championship. Joe, thanks
for taking the time for a chat and all the best, mate,
Thank you, Thank you, Joe. Joseph tappany there who were
a thirteen jumper in the Pacific Championship match against Australia.
Tonight five past six of the Apollo Projects aman christ Church.
The early game or the first game is the Key
We Ferns up against the Jill Rouse that's underway at

(01:10:12):
three thirty five. Sold out down there in christ Church,
so good support for the Rugby League down in the
Garden City twenty one to two. Let's take a break,
come back and have a regular catch up with James mcconey.

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Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
MB eighteen away from to this time every Sunday or
around about this time every Sunday, we get the pleasure
of the company of James mcconey. James, I had a
dream last night that Mitchell Santona got thirteen wickets and
then you turned up on the radio to talk about it.

Speaker 6 (01:10:47):
I know, you know it's all come true, Poney. You
your biggest dreams have come true.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
What about that?

Speaker 6 (01:10:55):
Well, I know that's the whole thing is. It's not
just a dream. It should be a movie, because talk
about a ragtag team of misfits, you know, a new
captain probably not that many superstars, I mean, ratching might
end up being an all time great. Tim Sauvie, you know,
getting a bit long in the tooth and that's not
even a to teeth joke for him, but just the
team that just bonded together and with Mitchell Satner, I

(01:11:18):
think they call it in the flow state, or feeling
himself in the modern parlance, piny. Yeah, there's an all
time performance. He's had his Doug Bracewl and Hobart test
right there.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
Don't you think it's great though, that he that he
is so understated in his celebrations. I mentioned before I
saw a great one on social that when he got
virak Coli out, he celebrated like a guy. Just remember
where his khakis were.

Speaker 6 (01:11:41):
Yeah, well he looks like the villain out of Despicable Me.
Is it grew or grew anyway? He's a little bit hunchbacked.
He sort of he wanders around and just doesn't seem
to raise a sweat. But I think when he got
that run out, you could just see how well he
was playing the game, and the loop and dip that
he provided was perfect for that pitch, and I think

(01:12:02):
that was the perfect setting for Satna. Sometimes you probably
think when he's picked in those home tests that we
should have a spin of that turns the ball more.
But honestly, over there he is perfect for those conditions.
Great fielder and with that variation, but this is the
whole thing he's third on the all time list now paddles.

(01:12:23):
The great Sir Richard Hadley is number one with that
those fifteen wickets in Brisbane. Of course, Ajas Patal is
number two with fourteen wickets and ten in one innings.
Of course there was a Test that black Caps lost,
but to get those standing wickets in a historic series
win in India, it's it's right up there with one

(01:12:43):
of the greatest individual performances in any code for New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
Yeah, totally agree, totally agree. It says, Yeah, it's a
good analogy with Doug Bracewell and Hobart because he'll ay
always be remembered for that. Hopefully there's more to come
from Mitchell Santna, but yeah, he'll always have He'll always
have poone.

Speaker 6 (01:13:00):
He will always have poone. And you know what, like
the way that I think the black Caps really sort
of fit together well as a team. It just feels
like a team, you know, doesn't seem to be many egos.
It's just a really nice team to watch. And for
Tom Latham, he's going to take a bow as well.

(01:13:20):
It's an incredible series as captain.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
Absolutely right. Okay, let's go to the All Blacks. We're
up a sort of There's quite a bit going on
on screen on screen yesterday, so I sort of flipping
between All Blacks, Black Caps and a little bit of
Wellington Phoenix and other a league and that sort of
thing as well. Did you take much away from the
rather lopsided scoreline against.

Speaker 6 (01:13:42):
Japan, Well, piney, We haven't pretty prepared this. We just
talked to each other on Sunday. I mean, I take
some notes. But one thing I'd like you to do
is think of who you think the most impressive All
Black the season has been first name, last name, and
on the count of three, will both say his name? Okay, okay,
yep one two three?

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
Wall was a tt correct.

Speaker 6 (01:14:05):
Yeah it is, isn't it?

Speaker 11 (01:14:08):
Season?

Speaker 6 (01:14:10):
And the way he's the way he's played against every opposition.
And also Stephen Donald the Beaver providing some awesome analysis
on sky Sport last night, saying it's his late footwork
that no teams can counter him because the Japanese like
to tackle quite low and Lunjon low. He's just making
mincemeat of them when he wants to. And so it

(01:14:30):
was quite an interesting insight into his special set of
skills like Liam nesson Paiken and where he just and
maybe like Liam mess him as well from the Chiefs.
He's got all those skills, vitality. I thought he was sectional.
And then it's still other aspects I'd like to talk about.
Can Roygard and the type five who would you like

(01:14:51):
to talk about.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
By both of those. But also before we get that,
can I go back to you with one of the
games we just played there or the game we just
played when we say the same thing at the same time.
So on my counter of three, can you say the
surnames of who you think will play six seven and
eight against England next week? Are you ready? We've got
in your head?

Speaker 6 (01:15:13):
Wait, who are you? Okay? I can six seven eight
in that order?

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
Yees six seven eight in that order? Surnames only, okay,
six seven eight on the on the count of three,
one two three, so t T Caine Savia and there
you go. Okay, So we match up on that as well.
This game I think is going to give bit old.
Now can we talk about Cam roy garda.

Speaker 6 (01:15:34):
Pam roy Guard just announcing that he's back on the
scene also with the County Steelers, and you go, okay,
that's just the NPC. But I'll tell you what, there's
still tough defenses to crack. But he looks at such
imperious form, even after he bombed that try that he
talked about previously. I just think he's gone away not
only worked at his game, he's worked at his interview game.
How good was he that interview as well, just earlier

(01:15:58):
in the hour. Come on, that's a new boy garde.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
It not is, because I remember I remember him up
for media when he first made the hurricane, and you're
so right, he was kind of one of I mean,
he wasn't, you know, completely reticent with his answers, but
they certainly weren't forty five seconds full of good analysis
and common sense like the ones we just heard.

Speaker 6 (01:16:19):
Yeah, so he's come back, you know, stronger, faster, more articulate.
He looks like he's on the verge of something special.
So even though Cortez and Artima has got the inside running,
I just wonder whether Royguard is going to stamp his
mark on this tour. And look, I'm happy for the
Northern Hemisphere to talk about Antoine du Pomp being the
greatest way we plan in the world, but maybe, just

(01:16:40):
maybe in Paris in a few weeks time he'll get
dethroned by cam Royguard, whose surname does mean King's Guard,
doesn't it? And in frink anyway, let's go there. I
didn't stick the landing like cam Royguard, but he is.
He looks like he's just ready to do something special,
even after breaking or equaling Bowden's Bronco record.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
Now were you happy to hear Wellie who Ha sung
again after the MPC final yesterday after an extra twenty
minutes of it.

Speaker 6 (01:17:13):
Yeah, it was. It was an epic final. I felt
for the bay. I mean, I'm chiefsmun all day. I
really wanted to make plenty to make history there. But
they both deserve a trophy, don't they. But it can
only be one. Wellington have been front running all season
and they're just an exceptional provincial side. I loved them

(01:17:34):
the fact that Jackson Garden Bashi got to win after
the tragedy of his brother Connor passing away this earlier
this year. There was a lot of storylines. I think,
you know, duper sf he just trying to that all
way for recognition really, and then Riley Higgins an emerging talent.

(01:17:55):
What will happen when Riley Higgins when he gets into
the All Blacks, which feels like it's going to happen
very soon. And then Jordi Barrett comes back from Ireland
and they're both Hurricanes trying to battle over one jersey.
That's going to be interesting to watch. But yeah, I
was okay with it. Piney. You're welly all day, aren't you?

Speaker 16 (01:18:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
Absolutely, Look I've it's my ring tone now, wellie, hohoha
is my ring tone? So you know not that I
not that I get a heck of a lot of
phone calls if I'm honest, But no, it's sitting there
and just on, just on Riley Higgins. Yeah, Riley Higgins,
Billy Proctor Higg. Is that going to be in the
absence of Jordy Barrett for the Hurricanes next Super Rugby season? Hey,
just before you go, Chris Wood more goals for Nottingham

(01:18:36):
Forest yesterday. Only Earling Harland has more Premier League goals
so far this season than Chris Wood. It opens up
the inevitable conversation about where he sits among our all
time football and greats. I don't necessarily want to have
that conversation today, but how good's he going?

Speaker 6 (01:18:53):
He's unbelievable Chris Wood, and I think there's a lot
of big clubs ruing the fact that they never assigned
them because he was on the market there for a
while for a pretty decent rate, and you know he's
been fighting a those battler clubs, you know, whether it's
Burnley and this time Forest, But then I think I

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had times at Lester as well, and there's another clubs
if for a while as well. But look the fact
that Nottingham Forest picked him up and he keeps on
banging in goals even though you and I Piney have
been part of the Chris Wood fan club for a while.
I feel like the British are finally starting to take
notice and talking them up. And I think there's two
factors to that. One is Harry Kane's left and he's

(01:19:36):
gone to play for Bayern Munich. So they're looking to
talk about strikers and goalscorers and they've got no option
except to talk about Chris Wood and Healing Harland together,
which I love so And also he is propping up
a club that everyone was picking for relegation and we
did talk about this a few weeks ago, Parney. He
is that good Chris Wood, that he is changing everything

(01:19:56):
for them. The fact they let a couple of stars
go over the summer I think helps him. He's not
just had got his back to the goal or in
the six yard box. Who seems to share those duties
now And he scored one goal from outside the area
which blew everyone's mind. But this is the one thing
is that all those big clubs that didn't want him,

(01:20:16):
Manchester United whoever, they are behind Nottingham Forest right now
and it's all because of Chris Wood indeed.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
And there's sixth and that's the thing as well with
the team like Nottingham Forest, who at the start of
the season people are okay, well they might be a
relegation contender if you start well. They've got well, they've
got sixteen points from their first nine games. It's just
such a good launching pad. It means that you can
go through a bit of a trough, you know, in
the sort of mid season around December, January, whatever it is,
and not get a couple of wins, but you've got
the base which is usually enough to stay up. You

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compare it to the likes of Southampton Wolves and Crystal Palace,
who are really battling down the bottom. I think you
know what Camp, what Chris Wood's doing for Forest right
now will probably keep them up.

Speaker 6 (01:20:55):
Well, I know it's exactly right. So this is the
thing old fashioned strikers. Even the phrase is the meaning
for someone who's that good at their job, they should
have really thought about what their team needs. And even
Pep Guardiola went for an old fashion striker in Earling Harland.
So I know he was mentioned a little bit in
dispatches with some bigger clubs. I'm glad he's gone the

(01:21:16):
Forest because he's going to be a legionnaire for a
long time. And yes he might not be as good
as Winton Rupil, probably he only he's in a football
footballer he can say it is better. But how about this,
he's also maybe the best footballer out of the White
cut all since Don Clark.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
I love it. I love it. What a way to finish.
Thanks James, Enjoy the rest of your long weekend, mate.
We'll chat again next Sunday. James McCartney part of our
Sunday seven to two News Talks.

Speaker 1 (01:21:40):
NB, analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting
world weekends for It with Jason Pie they're all eight
hundred and eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
Talks MB four to two Guy says, I chose Chris
Wood of my EPL fantasy team alongside Earling Harland and
Nicholas Jackson. Good to hear you talking about football again.
A good trio, Guy, Well done, well done. Indeed, after
two o'clock, honey hide me Smiler is with us. Her
autobiography is out. Going to chat to her about that.
Can we ort to point out of the Silver Ferns
Constellation Cup Test three tonight in Perth and Logan Rogerson

(01:22:14):
from Auckland FC is also on the show.

Speaker 1 (01:22:17):
The only place for the big names, the big issues,
the big controversies and the big conversations. It's all on
Weekend Sport with Jason Vain on your home of Sport
News Talk.

Speaker 4 (01:22:31):
Said, be.

Speaker 2 (01:22:34):
Welcome in or welcome back as the case maybe, but
I hope your long weekend is going well, relaxing and
all that. If you're in a different part of the
country from that that you would normally inhabit, I hope
you're having a relaxing time of things. You're about to
hit the road to head back. Maybe you are one
of those working on Monday. Please take it easy. What
have we got for you this hour? Quite a bit

(01:22:54):
actually tonight Constellation Cup number three, Constellation Cup Test Match
number three, Silver Ferns Australian Diamonds, this ones in Perth,
New Zealand won both of the Test matches here in
New Zealand to take a two year lead in the
format series. Now, the interesting part of this is that
if it finishes two to two after the two tests

(01:23:15):
in Australia, they play a little mini game at the
end of Test four, seven minutes each way. In the
past it's been the goal differential. You add all of
the scores together and whoever's got the better goal diff
is the one who wins it. No, this time I've
got a little mini decider at the end of the

(01:23:35):
fourth Test. Obviously, we hope that doesn't happen, that it's
not needed that New Zealand win either tonight or Test
number four. Midweek, kimeoord to POI out of the Silver
Ferns to join US. Logan Rogerson from Auckland FC, first
goal scorer wearing an Auckland f C shirt for the
club last week. Of course, their first goal as an

(01:23:57):
a league side was an own goal, but Logan Rogerson
scored the second and a two nil one over Brisbane
rot As you heard Nathan mentioned in the news, they
go again this afternoon back at Mount smart or Go
Media Stadium against Sydney FC. Logan Rogerson ahead of that
very shortly honey hitting me smiler going to chat to
us about her autobiography, which I would highly recommend, by

(01:24:17):
the way, a really good read for one of our
all time greats. Across multiple codes. Your calls and correspondents
continue to be welcomed, encouraged, warmly encouraged. Oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty if you'd like to chat to
us on the phone, nine two ninety two, If you
would like to send a text or emails into Jason
at Newstalk SDB dot co dot NZEB. As we approached

(01:24:38):
nine past two, as we always do at this time
on weekend sport, it's time for you to be updated,
to get the latest, or at the very least find
out some stuff you didn't know in case you missed it,
and we start in the Premier League. No shortage of drama. Overnight,
a goalfest saw Brentford net their winner against Ipswich Town

(01:25:01):
in the ninety seventh.

Speaker 18 (01:25:02):
Minute and it goes from m.

Speaker 24 (01:25:12):
Stanish Boma play in the final seconds, fast up its time.

Speaker 18 (01:25:18):
That has been another twist.

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
Yeah, a seven goal thriller. Brentford betting it's which four
to three at home. Everton snagged an equalizer in the
ninety fifth minute against Fulham in.

Speaker 22 (01:25:29):
There including ast a young rout of the boats.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
It was coming and Batter's command.

Speaker 18 (01:25:39):
In the nick of time.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
Meantime, Bournemouth scored their equalizer in the ninety seventh minute
against aston Villa from Tavinier.

Speaker 18 (01:25:48):
Have Niel since had it?

Speaker 23 (01:25:50):
He's got the goal that surely gets.

Speaker 2 (01:25:53):
Pourmouth a twenty Phillip Park It did and the trend
continued Wolves in the ninety fourth minute rescuing a point
away at Brighton attacks for Wolves with Cunya to take
it on.

Speaker 18 (01:26:09):
It slutely believe it all.

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
Yeah, what a dramatic night of Premier League football action
are but closer to home, although still quite far away.
It was a bit more straightforward for the Wellington Phoenix
against Perth Glory in Western Australia.

Speaker 20 (01:26:24):
Now Nagasawa alight run and two in.

Speaker 25 (01:26:27):
The Phoenix two paid came fifteenth and he arrived with
a powerful.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
Header that don't just have the.

Speaker 17 (01:26:35):
Phoenix on track for the first bit of the season.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
And did two nil over Perth, two defenders, two heaters,
Scott Wooton and Tim Payne scoring the goals to rugby
a new Bunnings ENDPC champion's being crowned the Lions.

Speaker 23 (01:26:48):
And it goes you're a wife fact to Hearken.

Speaker 4 (01:26:51):
That's under the crowd the bunny dead PC well as
the Hyams. Twenty twenty four the.

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
Title is yours one dred minutes absolutely outstanding. Twenty three
twenty the Lions take title.

Speaker 2 (01:27:07):
Just brilliant from Roth Bond calling that one I missed
him last night. He said he didn't have any voice
left at all. Not surprising after eighty minutes plus twenty
of extra time and Game one of Baseball's World Series
won by the LA Dodgers in the most dramatic fashion
Yankees three, the Dodgers two. The basses are.

Speaker 15 (01:27:27):
Loaded to out bottom of the tenth inning.

Speaker 20 (01:27:30):
Dick scenario you dream about Freddy is living first pitch,
swinging high fla.

Speaker 24 (01:27:35):
Ball back, Freddie Ribbon channeling his dinner for Ditton, Oh
walk up hold run.

Speaker 23 (01:27:47):
Indeed, one of the World Jerries, They walk.

Speaker 1 (01:27:50):
Up Groun Flem breaking down the Hail Mary's and the fails.
Weekend Sport with Jason Lyme New Stalks.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
V Incredible drama in the baseball A Game two is underway,
actually in the La Dodge, bottom of the third lead
the New York Yankees four to one in Game two
of Baseball's World Series two twelve. It is Honey, Hitting
Me Smiler, one of our absolute sporting greats. She won
the Silver Fern Rather War, the Silver Fern and rugby league,

(01:28:23):
rugby sevens and nine's, winning four World Cups and consistently
being among the best players in the world regardless of
which sport she was playing. She's now one of the
best known and loved faces and voices on Sky Sport
with coverage of rugby and also rugby league. She's a wife,
a mum, and she's written the story of her life,
which is a brilliant read, a really brilliant read with

(01:28:47):
so many layers to it. Her autobiography is called Honey,
My Story of Love, Loss and Victory. Honey, Hide Me
Smiler is with us. Congratulations on the book, Honey, Are
you happy with the way that it's come out.

Speaker 7 (01:29:00):
Yeah, I am, to be honest, Jason Elsa paid so
much really choice feedback from a guby and especially from
my fano like that there were probably, you know, the
main ones that I really want to make sure that.

Speaker 4 (01:29:14):
You know that they received the book.

Speaker 7 (01:29:16):
Well, and that's all I've really got and so I'm
pretty stoked with it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
How did you find the process of going back over
your life and telling your story? How did you find that?

Speaker 20 (01:29:27):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (01:29:28):
Pretty gruelingly honest.

Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
Yes, it's not an easy job.

Speaker 7 (01:29:32):
And I think like Susan obviously she was my grosth
riad and she just did.

Speaker 9 (01:29:37):
An amazing job.

Speaker 7 (01:29:38):
Like we kind of sort of muted out like a
kind of basics in terms of chapters and what were
kind of highlights in my life and maybe I want
to chat about, but she was able to draw out
so much more than that. And actually the way she's
I think shaped the book and you know, sort of
told the story of like I don't even really thought
I was that interesting, but as we got talking and things,

(01:30:00):
you know when you're reading stuff on paper, like Sarah
like it was actually quite significant in my life.

Speaker 6 (01:30:06):
So it was a rollercoaster.

Speaker 7 (01:30:08):
It brought up a lot of stuff, and yeah, but
healing in that sense, I think that it needed to
probably be brought up so and I think it's the
book really reflects that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
One thing that constantly occurred to me as I was
reading it was how busy and full your life has
been right through it, really, but particularly during your playing days,
fitting in games, tours, trainings, work, fino, How did you
manage it?

Speaker 7 (01:30:36):
You know, I think that was just part of my era,
you know, like we didn't know any better, and we did,
you know, a lot of a lot of my years
playing you know at top level where all managur right,
So we did it for the love of the game.
So you managed life around it because you loved I
loved the footy field so much, so I just made
sure that I was always going to be out there

(01:30:58):
and adjusted life around there. And so I think I've
always been a fairly organized person. Some would say it's OCD,
but you know, and I just made sure, like I've
always been a bit of a planner as well, Like I,
you know, religiously get you know, one year plans and
look at them and be like, right, this tournament's here,

(01:31:18):
I'm going to that, I'm going to that sometimes it
was difficult, right because we never got calendars very early
and we never knew what games were coming up and
things like that. But you know, so at the moment
I knew, I'd chuck it up there and be like, right,
this is what I'm aiming for.

Speaker 8 (01:31:31):
So, I know, I think it was always gold driven.

Speaker 7 (01:31:33):
I always had to have some sort of purpose that
I that I wanted to work towards in so obviously
that came with, you know, a lot of achievements, but
also having to sacrifice a lot as well, and sometimes
whether that was family time or work time or other things.
I just, yes, it didn't medically made it happen.

Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
But the other part was, honey, it's not just one sport.
You were going between sports as well, and sometimes I
had to reread passages to say, right, are we in rugby?
Here are we Rugby League? Are we seven?

Speaker 7 (01:32:01):
Where are we?

Speaker 2 (01:32:02):
Where are we in this? Because you had tournaments that
basically buttered up against each other? How did you so
seamlessly move between the codes that you played?

Speaker 7 (01:32:11):
Yeah, a lot of back to back stuff, to be honest,
And I think at the time I never really got
I never really worried too much about transitioning in terms
of the games. You know, when I was on the field,
I knew what I was up there to do, and
you know, I knew what game was playing, what the
rules were, and what I what my strengths were. So
I'm back to that part of my playing ability. It

(01:32:34):
was just, I suppose more so the logistics of getting
around it. I mean, you know, the twenty thirteen was
a hectic trying to play, you know, a World Cup
sevens from Russia and then get over to England, getting
lost in transition in terms of you know, the wrong
airports and all of that kind of stuff, getting over there,
being the captain, pushing through a whole World Cup, getting

(01:32:57):
to the end and losing, you know. So again it
was just I think, just that determination to want to.

Speaker 26 (01:33:06):
Be there, be involved.

Speaker 4 (01:33:09):
And I think for me it was always about earning it.

Speaker 9 (01:33:13):
I always wanted to earn my.

Speaker 14 (01:33:14):
Right to be there.

Speaker 7 (01:33:15):
I never wanted to be there our names. So I've
played for so many years, you know, and I played
quite long until obviously in my late thirties, but I
always wanted to make sure that I was earning it.
So I don't know, I think I just held had
a very different, I suppose set of standards in terms
of my own accountability.

Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
Yeah, that story you alluded to their airports, trains, trams,
not speaking Russian. I was even getting anxious reading it.
But of course, I mean there were pannicle events, lots
of them. You won World Cups in league in five,
in two thousand and eight, sevens and twenty thirteen, you
won the Nines and twenty nineteen. Does any of your
World Cup wins stand out above the others?

Speaker 7 (01:33:59):
Probably not the winds, to be honest, Jason, but more
so the losses. And I always refer back on that
twenty thirteen Ruguy leg World Cup. I have won two
prior to that was going into my third one as
the captain, and there was just so much I did
in that final game that I wasn't happy with that
that I was constantly regreet, I think, and that just

(01:34:20):
came down to those you know, there's a little one
percenters and playing under pressure, and so I think it's.

Speaker 26 (01:34:27):
The losses that get me more than anything, uh, you know,
and then those those are just the ones that I feel,
you know, I could have done better.

Speaker 7 (01:34:39):
The wins for me are awesome that you know, obviously
I played teams for sports, so you know, I was
putting everything down to a collective where if I reflect
back on the losses and what I did individual as
an individual, as an individual player, the impact that was
what I probably hold onto.

Speaker 2 (01:34:58):
What's interesting because and amongst you know, many of the defeats,
you were still individually brilliant and recognized as such. But
I can understand how that would be phaps pailing by
comparison compared to the way the team had gone. There
are some harrowing parts to your life story as well.
You've experienced some tough times personal loss. Were you always
keen to include most things in this book?

Speaker 12 (01:35:23):
Yeah, I think I was.

Speaker 7 (01:35:25):
My intention for the book was just to tell my
truth and my version of events, and I think I
hadn't planned for maybe all the I mean, there's a
lot of rocks that I've experienced in my life, and
I don't know that that's same for all of that
to come out, But when you read it there's a
whole book, I think, well, that's actually quite a lot,

(01:35:47):
and that's really one of the big things that I
have gotten in terms of a lot of those challenges
that I have, And the book is probably less about
my sports and more about you know, some of those
personal challenges that I've been through. So and I thought
those stories that would be the tool because that's really
what shaped me in terms of being an athlete, and

(01:36:09):
the mums, mary and all of those.

Speaker 2 (01:36:12):
Kinds of things we see on the screen now. And
I'm sure many people will find it hard to correlate
that with you raising a bit of hell as a teenager.
On the back of the book, it even says, you know,
you were the town bully, which may be stretching things
a bit, but how do you reflect on your teenager
is now?

Speaker 26 (01:36:29):
I think you can shoot back and ask my high
school principle.

Speaker 7 (01:36:33):
I think most of them would agree. Actually, I've had
lots of feedback from my old school, so just you know,
it's really interesting to hear from them. And I suppose
that's the growth that they saw on me. But you know,
also the honesty I think that I gave him a book.
But yeah, I think it's interesting.

Speaker 12 (01:36:52):
You know, I suppose I wanted to.

Speaker 7 (01:36:57):
You know, people will see the athlete on the field,
you know, the honey build honey, the presidenter and all
of that, but I think, you know, I wanted to
see what's actually in behind that and how I've got there.
I think it goes back to I didn't want to
be that token person.

Speaker 1 (01:37:16):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:37:16):
There's a lot of feedback obviously you've see in the
book that I read, you know, from.

Speaker 26 (01:37:22):
Just online bullying and things like that.

Speaker 7 (01:37:24):
You know, where they're like, oh, you just got that
job because of.

Speaker 6 (01:37:26):
This and because of that.

Speaker 7 (01:37:29):
But I just I just wanted to Actually, yeah, I was.
I was given the role with Sky through my playing career,
but as I worked really really hard at as well,
and I'm not perfect and I've still got a lot
of growing to do and a lot of growth. I
don't know that just like I did when I was
playing on the foot of Field, I put a lot

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of weak into it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:51):
Yeah, I found that really interesting. You you're the bits
about your introduction into television and how that had its
own set of challenges, and the fact that you read
some of the stuff online, which can I recommend to
you don't ever do that. You've probably stopped doing it now,
but man, the keyboard worry is just just forget about them.
Do you feel do you feel comfortable in front of
the camera now?

Speaker 18 (01:38:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:38:12):
I do.

Speaker 26 (01:38:12):
I feel a lot more confident.

Speaker 7 (01:38:14):
I always get confidence out of my preparation that I do,
you know, whatever game long covering and whatever my role
is on that day. For me, I get confidence out
of my preparation. And it's just like the same as
if I was taking a foot of the field, you know,
and you know when you've played a good game or
when you've presented well or commentated well, and when you haven't,
and sometimes you walk and I could have did that better.

Speaker 26 (01:38:35):
So I think it's it's still that the.

Speaker 7 (01:38:38):
Whole sports prey mentality, and that you're constantly assessing yourself,
you know, while you're on camera, while you're off camera,
during the game, after the game, and when I get
home and the drive back to Hamilton. Just it's just constant,
and it's just I think the way I'm made up
in terms of my DNA, I just constantly wanted to do.

Speaker 11 (01:38:58):
Better for myself.

Speaker 2 (01:38:59):
Honey. It was I really enjoyed writing your book. It's
been great to get the chance to chat to you
about it. I hope you sell hepes, thanks for taking
the time this after name thanks to no thank you, honey, honey,
hitter me smiler.

Speaker 11 (01:39:09):
There.

Speaker 2 (01:39:09):
Her book is out. It's called Honey My Story of Love,
Loss and Victory. And as I've said a couple of
times at the top of the chat and during the chat,
I found it a really interesting read, multi layered and
painted a much bigger picture of Honey hitting me smiler
than I had any idea about. I guess that's the
reason autobiographies are written, aren't they who to fill in
a lot of gaps. Not that I thought there were any,

(01:39:31):
but like I say, without wanting to labor the point,
I found it a really really good read. Honey Hitting
Me Smile. It Honey, My Story of Love, Loss and
Victory two twenty four. One of her former teams are
The Key. We Ferns about an hour and ten minutes
away from taking on the jill ARUs first of the
Rugby League double header at a sold out Apollo Projects
Stadium in christ Church five past six tonight. It's the

(01:39:53):
Key was against the Kangaroos. Got on your christ Church
for turning up in such big numbers, for selling it out.
It's set to be quite the occasion there this afternoon
for the Rugby League double header New Zealand against Australia
in the Pacific Nations Championship. We'll take great When we
come back, we'll talk about another Trans Tasman battle this
time and Netball won the Constellation Cup. Test number three

(01:40:14):
is in Perth tonight. We'll get you inside the self
Ferns camp midquarter. Kimeoda Hooi is with us right after this.

Speaker 1 (01:40:21):
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Speaker 2 (01:40:29):
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New Zealand can claim Netball's Constellation Cup tonight if they
win the third Test against Australia. This game is in
Perth nine o'clock New Zealand time. New Zealand, of course
won the first two Constellation Cup tests here in New Zealand,
and my sister.

Speaker 25 (01:40:49):
Shot Jackson's Crocker rebound game over New Zealand. Comprehensive winners
over Australia for the second game in a row.

Speaker 23 (01:41:01):
Again is he.

Speaker 2 (01:41:02):
Lever sixty three goals to fifty two.

Speaker 3 (01:41:06):
Another comprehensive win and they're backed up there.

Speaker 25 (01:41:10):
Impressive victory and willing to live on.

Speaker 7 (01:41:12):
We've done it. Again.

Speaker 2 (01:41:14):
Yeah, Malcom Jordan and Levon Willaring have the call for
you tonight on Gold Sport and iHeartRadio from nine o'clock
sixty three point fifty two in the second Test following
the sixty four fifty victory and Test number one, can
they continue that winning form on the other side of
the Tasman Silver Ferns mid quarter camioder Poy joins us
out of Western Australia, Kimi Order, thanks for taking the

(01:41:34):
time for a chat on game day. What was the
most pleasing aspect for the players and the coaching staff
from those first two Test match victories?

Speaker 26 (01:41:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 27 (01:41:43):
I think actually we've been saying we've been training well
and everything leading into a sort of England and then
post England training well has been going good. But the
most pleasing thing is transferring that onto the court and
getting a good start and kind of getting on top
of the Ozzies early.

Speaker 2 (01:41:59):
Yeah, just to build that momentum for our Why do
you think that was harder to achieve during the Tiny
Jamison Trophy series that preceded the Constellation Cup when you
went down two one to England.

Speaker 27 (01:42:12):
I honestly don't know, but maybe just a bit of
time leading into tiny Jamison where we were only like
we only had a four day camp kind of as
a team, but we've had that whole series to build
and prepare and get some good learning and then yeah,
we're able to kind of put it off to here
the come tests on into against Buzzie.

Speaker 2 (01:42:30):
So now then big question, how do you keep that
momentum going now that you're on the other side of
the testment.

Speaker 7 (01:42:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 27 (01:42:36):
I think it's a balancing act of taking confidence from
our first two tests that we've put out, but then
also expecting Ouzie to come out firing again and just
kind of being real disciplined in the early stages of
the match, just to kind of keep at our game,
and yeah, and just really going out there and backing Ouseurs.

Speaker 2 (01:42:55):
I guess the other difference is they'll have their home
crowd behind them over here. In the two tests in
New Zealand, you had great crowds, didn't you. How much
do you feed off the energy of home crowds?

Speaker 27 (01:43:05):
Yeah, both arenas were massive for us. The crowds were
so loud, the energy, the vibe, Yeah, it was just
so awesome. And we've got to find that energy within
ourselves and our bench when we're over here in oz
there'll be a few che spread throughout the crowd. But yeah,
we've just got to find that.

Speaker 2 (01:43:22):
With it, you always get a couple of sneaking in,
that's for sure. Can you order how much of you
enjoyed your mid court combination with Maddy Gordon in the
first couple of tests.

Speaker 27 (01:43:32):
Yeah, it's been so cool. I think it's cool just
to see the growth that we've had kind of from
training and then putting it into the game. She's obviously
the energizer. Bunny just goes hard right to the end,
real dog it on defense, and yeah, it just kind
of dominates that center position. But yeah, it's been real cool.
And home wing are tax seeing it to quite nice.

Speaker 2 (01:43:50):
A little bit of a change, Oh that's good. Yeah,
we'll wing attack, not exactly your your favorite position. I'll
ask you that in a minute actually about if you
do have a preference. But does it take a bit
of time to establish the connections with the others when
you come together. You play against one another for the
first part of the year. When you come together, does
it take a bit of time to establish those connections?

Speaker 27 (01:44:10):
Yeah, I think it does. It takes a little while
just to yeah, kind of figure each other out and
know where each other is going to run and how
we like the ball and all of that sort of thing.
But yeah, just pleasing how the growth that we've had
as a team.

Speaker 2 (01:44:22):
Actually, So, do you have a preferred mid court position?

Speaker 27 (01:44:27):
I actually prefers center, but I'm obviously grateful to be
on the court and playing in any position.

Speaker 2 (01:44:34):
Yeah, And apart from the fact, you know, we obviously
know where the different positions are allowed to go on
the court and that sort of thing. But what are
the other key differences between playing center and playing wing
attack as.

Speaker 27 (01:44:45):
You have been Yeah, wing attacks you kind of have
to be more directive and run the whole attacking and
run the center passes and you've got to got to
take the lead. And in center, you're more of that
linking role well, especially on attack, and that's kind of
what I've been used to. So I've just taken like
I've taken a little bit of time to find my
feet just in that real minding wing attack position.

Speaker 2 (01:45:08):
Yeah, and of course part of it too is feeding
into the shooting circle, which I guess you do as
a center as well. But how nice is it to
look into that circle and see Grace and wiki in there.

Speaker 24 (01:45:18):
Yeah, very nice.

Speaker 27 (01:45:19):
Say it just gives you huge confidence when she's really
giving you the eyes and she really wants the bore,
because it makes you want to just let it go
to her.

Speaker 2 (01:45:26):
You were out of this team for a little while,
a couple of years almost Actually you're back in now.
Of course. How determined where you kim in order to
return to the international fold out after being out for
the last couple of years.

Speaker 27 (01:45:39):
Yeah, I think it's always been at the back of
my mind. But the way because I've been not selected
for a few years, the way I've approached that non
selection has kind of changed over the years, and the
last year or so, I've just kind of been just
it is what it is, it's meant to be, it's
meant to be, and yeah, just kind of really grateful

(01:45:59):
to be back in the environment and yeah, seen coming
off this season where I've just been a little bit
more refreshed.

Speaker 2 (01:46:05):
Yeah, did you not have that mindset before?

Speaker 4 (01:46:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 27 (01:46:11):
Before, I think I kind of go and went into
a little bit of overdrive and like finding every little
single thing that I needed to do, and it kind
of was probably to my detriment really and just kind
of overthinking things a bit, but yeah, just kind of
taking that more relax or not relaxed approach, but just
bigger picture approach. And yeah, just really grateful to be back.

Speaker 2 (01:46:31):
Yeah, well it's obviously working now. A change this year
in the Constellation Cup is that if Australia happened to
win Tests three and four and the series has drawn
too too, we go into a situation after the fourth
test where you play almost like a mini game, two
seven minute halves to decide who actually wins the Constellation Cup.

(01:46:51):
Previously it was on points differential across the four games.
Have you thought about without wanting to put the car
before the horse. I'm sure you want to win one
of these remaining two tests, but if it does finish
too too. Have you thought about the extra time scenario
after game four?

Speaker 27 (01:47:06):
We have mentioned it and very aware of what it
could come to, but our plan is to really take
this next game and so we don't have to be
in that position.

Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
No fair enough, I knew you were going to say that,
and you're off to the Steel next year. How did
that come about?

Speaker 19 (01:47:21):
I am I think it just.

Speaker 27 (01:47:23):
Came about because of just change. Really, I've been at
the Tactics for what it been. Next year would have
been my eighth year and no bad bud or anything.
Loved every moment at the Tactics, but just with the
shortest season next year, I was just like, sorry, why not,
let's just give it a go, get out of my
comfort zone, challenge myself, try something you.

Speaker 2 (01:47:43):
Yeah, well, I hope that goes well for you. In
the meantime, your focus is on the Silver Ferns in Australia.
Test three tonight in Perth, camioda all the best. I
hope you don't have to get to that extra time scenario.
I hope you can get the job done either tonight
or in Test number four. Thanks for your time today, cool,
thank you, Thanks Tom caime me or to Poy then
Midcuarner from the Silver Fern So yeah, tonight nine o'clock
New Zealand time. This game is in Perth rac in Perth,

(01:48:07):
and then Test number four is on Wednesday night John
Cain Arena in Melbourne. Obviously, if the Silver Ferns were
to win tonight, they would sew up the Constellation Cup.
If Australia win tonight, then we go to Game four
and that's mentioned If at the end of Game four,
the series scorers two to two. Then we go to
two seven minute halves to decide who takes home the

(01:48:29):
Constellation Cup, which is a little bit annoying, I guess
given the fact that the Silver Ferns have had such
convincing victories in the first two Test matches. I know
they went into the series knowing that that wouldn't make
a difference. But in previous years it would have a
fourteen goal win in Test number one and then an
eleven goal victory in Test number two was at twenty five,

(01:48:49):
So the plus twenty five at the moment the Silver Ferns,
so they, I guess, in previous years, would have known
that if they could even lose the two over there
narrowly by a combined margin of less than twenty five points,
then they'd take the Constellation Cup. Not to beat doesn't matter, victory,
margins don't mean anything. It's extra netball, bonus netball. At

(01:49:10):
the end of Test four in Melbourne on Wednesday night,
if it's two to two at that point, twenty four
away from three, we'll take another break, come back and
head out to Mount smart Go Media Stadium. The scene
again for Auckland FC and a home game in the
A League Men's They beat Brisbane two nil a week ago.
Can they repeat the dose this afternoon? Logan Rogerson, out
of Auckland FC, joins us after.

Speaker 1 (01:49:30):
This the big issues on and after fields Call oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty Weekends Forward with Jason Fine
and GJ. Gunner Homes New Zealand's most trusted home. Milder
News Talks ABB.

Speaker 2 (01:49:43):
Coming up to forty on weekend sport Here on News Talks,
he'd be round two in the A League Men's competition.
Across this weekend. Auckland FC take on Sydney FC at
go Media Mount Smart Stadium this afternoon four o'clock kickoff.
In that one, Auckland FC started life with a two
nil win over Brisbane last Saturday. Mister breeces Rogerson to

(01:50:07):
breeze the provider. Rogerson with the finish and did.

Speaker 16 (01:50:12):
And he loved that.

Speaker 2 (01:50:13):
The hometown boy. He's doubled Auckland's money. They lead it
to Yeah, high excitement and a great atmosphere at go
Media Mount Smart last Saturday for the first game in
Auckland f C's life. Let's hope for more of the
same this afternoon when they take on Sydney FC. I'm
hearing that tickets are tracking around the fifteen thousand mark,

(01:50:33):
which is another excellent attendance. Logan Rogerson, the scorer of
that goal. The first goal was an own goal. Logan Rogerson,
the first Auckland f C player to get on the
score sheet. He joins us now ahead of this afternoon's game. Logan,
First of all, how was the overall experience and the
occasion of game one at go Media last weekend?

Speaker 28 (01:50:51):
Yeah, experience was unreal. The way Auckland turned out for
our first game was unbelievable. Even enjoying the warm up
when the port started marching down the stairs, Yeah, it
kind of gave me butterflies almost seeing them walk down,
and yeah, I knew it was going to be good,
a good game.

Speaker 2 (01:51:11):
And then coming out of the tunnel just before kickoff
to pect stands, what.

Speaker 11 (01:51:16):
Was that like?

Speaker 6 (01:51:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (01:51:18):
It was.

Speaker 18 (01:51:19):
It was surreal.

Speaker 28 (01:51:20):
You know, all my friends and family were there as well,
and yeah, it's kind of my first time playing back
in New Zealand in front of the big cloud like
that now for three or four years, and yeah, honestly
it was it was amazing and yeah, real happy of
how you know the club put that day together and
you know, the kind of the game was kind of
the last piece of the jigsaw puzzle to make it

(01:51:42):
like a real, real good that.

Speaker 2 (01:51:44):
Were there any nerves? Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 28 (01:51:47):
I think you could kind of see it in the
first ten to twenty minutes and then yeah, kind of
once we got our first goal, I think things kind
of settled down. But yeah, definitely for myself, I thought
a little bit, you know, some nerves, but those kind
of went away as the game went on.

Speaker 2 (01:52:04):
Tonil went so really good result to start. How happy
were the players and importantly the coaching staff with the
performance last weekend?

Speaker 28 (01:52:13):
Yeah, I think the Coast are happy to nil two
goals and a clean sheet. I think that game it
was almost a bit of a relief. Obviously there was
you know, three months to preseason and the build up
leading it to their first game. So yeah, I think,
you know, I think everyone has to be happy with
the Til went on the first day.

Speaker 2 (01:52:32):
Two goals, as you say, you got the second one.
Talk us through it. How do you how do you
remember it?

Speaker 28 (01:52:38):
I don't remember too much. I just remember the Franny
kind of a good ball coming across the face of
the box, and I just tried to get some good
contact on it and keep the ball down because you know,
sometimes those can go flying, flying over the goal. But yeah,
and then obviously the celebration can kind of see him.
I face, I was, I was buzzing.

Speaker 2 (01:52:58):
Yeah, absolutely, you say sometimes those go blazing over the bar, mate,
I reckon seven or eight times out of ten they do. Not,
just not not from you, I'm not talking. But it's
a it's a really good finish, just a side foot
rather than having a you know, having a real blast
at it. You know, is that just something that came
instinctively because you didn't have a lot of time to
think about it. Really, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 28 (01:53:20):
The boor's coming in quick, so I know you've got
to try and use the pace of the ball really
and kind of dis guide it in. And yeah, I'm
happy to kind of stay down to be first.

Speaker 2 (01:53:30):
And as a striker, I mean, how much of a
I don't know, even though if it's a burden you
might be able to tell me to get your first
goal chalked up nice and early. As a striker, how
comforting and pleasing is that?

Speaker 4 (01:53:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 28 (01:53:43):
No, it's really pleasing. And yes, it's kind of good
to get the first one, first one out of the way,
and I even think maybe scoring earlier on the weekend's
all why it's kind of helped with my confidence. And yeah,
I guess you know, it's just building off my first
I'm hoping I can get a few more.

Speaker 2 (01:53:59):
And head coach of Auckland FC, Steve Cricker was a
striker himself. How helpful has he been to you?

Speaker 6 (01:54:05):
Yeah, he's been really good.

Speaker 28 (01:54:06):
We always do finishing drills, you know, after the sessions
with him, and yeah, he always kind of talks about,
you know, wingers getting inside the box and that's where
goals are going to be scored. And I think that's
what I did on the weekend. So so hopefully you
have to with me.

Speaker 2 (01:54:22):
I'm sure he will be. And I mean, how have
you gone about establishing connections with the other attackers on
the team. I mean, you're all new, this is a
team that's been pulled together. I know you've had a
few months together, but how have you gone about establishing
those connections in the front third.

Speaker 28 (01:54:37):
Yeah, well, because sum obviously came in a little bit later,
but ever since he's coming. You know, he's always talking
what kind of the balls he wants, what kind of crosses,
and I obviously know on the left hand side you
got Frannie who can you know is a very good
left foot with crossing.

Speaker 2 (01:54:54):
And Liam Gillian, I kind of I know what I'm
going to get from.

Speaker 28 (01:54:57):
Him when he always wants to take a man on,
So maybe timing the runs a little bit better when
here's the ball and yeah, thanks like that, And so
that's what preseason. It's been long, but it's been I
guess good because you know we kind of figure out
each other. That's good.

Speaker 2 (01:55:13):
And you captain by a bit of a Japanese legend
and Hiroki Sakai, can you talk a bit about his
influence on the side.

Speaker 28 (01:55:22):
Yeah, massive influence. Obviously everyone talks about his English and stuff,
but actually on the pitch, he's he's playing behind me,
but he's communicating to me the whole game when to go.
He makes my life a lot easier. And yeah, he's
he's a lead in the change room. He's a funny
guy and you know, I think he's got the trust
of all us players.

Speaker 2 (01:55:43):
And what do you expect from Sydney g FC this afternoon?

Speaker 28 (01:55:47):
Yeah, I think they're going to be They're going to
try and keep the ball a lot. They're front three
is obviously very dangerous, so you know, a lot of
link up play, they have a lot of freedom. So yeah,
I think we just kind of have to defend together
and you know, we know they have tricky players, so
maybe doubling up helping teammates on the pitch and so yeah,

(01:56:08):
so they're a great team. But also they've traveled a
lot this week, so hopefully we can use that to
our advantage.

Speaker 2 (01:56:15):
And I know you're only focused on Sydney FC, but
have you got even half an eye on the derby
next weekend?

Speaker 28 (01:56:22):
Yeah, of course, I think. You know, before the season
it seems even started. You know, it's what everyone's talking about.
And yeah, you know we have a game of speaking.
But you know, for me then, you know, it's kind
of in the back of my mind a little bit.
You know, National team windows and stuff. Everyone kind of
has a little bit of banter about it, and you know,
can't sit next to you now it's a kind of banter.

(01:56:44):
But no, it's yeah, we've got to gain this speaking.
But yeah, I think the derby is one that you know,
everyone's looking forward to Royal Club as well, So now
I'm excited for that one as well.

Speaker 2 (01:56:55):
I think everybody is. And you talked about about the
national team. There you're back in the all Whites mix.
You've played the last four matches, score that cracking goal
against Malaysia. How motivated are you to be involved in
the push to the next World Cup?

Speaker 1 (01:57:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 28 (01:57:08):
Really motivn Like it's just around the corner now, so
you know, being involved these qualifiers and stuff. Yeah, you know,
I'm really excited and even being a part of this group,
you know, like sitting on the bench and watching some
of these guys play. You know, I could name the
whole starting eleven, but most of them playing at a
top level. It's crazy to see how good some of

(01:57:31):
these New Zealand players are now.

Speaker 2 (01:57:33):
Well, it's something you'll be a part of as well,
no doubt your immediate point of business though, Sydney you
FC this afternoon at Mount Smart all the best, Logan,
thanks for taking the time for a chat mate. Cheers,
Thank you, Thank you, Logan, Logan Rogerson. They're out of
Auckland FC scored a goal last week in the two
mil went over Brisbane and we're looking for more this
afternoon when they take on Sydney FC. Four o'clock kickoff.
Nice day in Auckland, so it should be good conditions

(01:57:56):
for football. Your next weekend is going to be going
to be quite something, the first ever professional football derby
in New Zealand as Auckland FC head to Wellington to
take on at Wellington Phoenix at sky Stadium. The Phoenix
got to win last night beat Perth Glory two Nils,
so they'll be in high spirits as they fly back.
Big crowd in coming, I understand next Saturday at sky Stadium.

(01:58:19):
They're talking at least twenty thousand and probably more so.
I set to be quite the occasion when when Wellington
Phoenix and Auckland FC do battle next next Saturday afternoon.
That's a five o'clock kickoff at sky Stadium next Saturday.
What are we eleven and a half away from three?
Back in a second Newstalk's EDB.

Speaker 1 (01:58:38):
When it's down to the line, you made a call
one hundred and eighty ten eighty Weekend Sports with Jason Hine,
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Speaker 2 (01:58:46):
Just on eight and a half to three. I just
want to circle back to where we started the show,
which is at the cricket of course and New Zealand's
historic Test series win over India in India. Just a
couple of final words from captain Tom Latham about what
the win means.

Speaker 29 (01:59:00):
Yeah, sort of lost for words a little bit. Yeah,
Tom's immensely proud moment for this group. I think obviously
coming off the back of a schuel Ankan series where
we obviously didn't get the results that we wanted to
come here and play the style of cricket that we've played. Yeah,
obviously immensely crowd. I guess to be in the position

(01:59:20):
of winning two Test matches here. A lot of New
Zealand teams have come here over the past sixty nine years.
I think it is in thirteen series and I guess
to be the first team to win a series over
here as emensely special when ye'ah very proud of this group.

Speaker 2 (01:59:37):
And just a word from Tom Latham on the absolutely
super human performance of Mitchell Santner taking thirteen wickets to
bowl New Zealand to this victory.

Speaker 29 (01:59:46):
Yeah, he was like, he did a fantastic job. I
think obviously the wickets that he got, but you know,
I think it will go unnoticed. The amount of the
amount of Ovz bowl back to back. I think will
bowl won over with the new ball from that end
and much bold the rest. So look, someone like that
to come and bolve that amount of overs to keep

(02:00:08):
being a threat for that amount of time. I keep
trying to take him off, but he kept taking a
work at so I said, you can keep going. But yeah, look,
I can't praise him enough in terms of what he's
done this game. He was, Yes, e simply fantastic.

Speaker 2 (02:00:22):
It's Tom Latham speaking about Mitchell Sanna of course, after
his incredible performance in the second Test. Let's not forget
there was a third Test between these two sides starting
on the first of November. When's that eight Friday? On
Friday is the third Test between India and New Zealand.
It's dead robin now it's in Mumbai, but I'm sure

(02:00:43):
New Zealand would absolutely love to make it three nil,
something that seemed well just barely comprehensible at the start
of this at the start of the series. But regardless
of what happens in the third Test, they will come
home with an historic first ever Test when in India.
Thank you for listening. Into the show this afternoon. Huge
thanks to Annie McDonald for producing as always and for

(02:01:05):
answering the phone, doing all the heavy lifting and making
everything come together relatively seemly. I say relatively because I
still have to execute it, and sometimes that doesn't happen.
But for an exit song today, with Mitchell Santna bowling
so well, spinning the ball so well, I've gone to
the Spinners, a remake of the I think the Four

(02:01:27):
Seasons did this song first, but the back end of
the seventies into the eighties, The Spinners, any one of
your favorite disco bands, never heard of them? This is
the Spinners, Mitchell Santner's favorite group. Working my way back
to you. We're back on I was going to say
back on Sports Talk tomorrow night. We're not Labor Day,

(02:01:48):
so we'll see you next Saturday as we build towards
the next All Blacks test against England, twicking him next
Sunday morning. Lots of other bits and pieces as well,
but you have an excellent week and we'll see you
Saturday five an hour.

Speaker 23 (02:02:00):
George pay I be burning my way back to you,
BA with a burning of inside way. I'm working my
way back to you by and I have been asked

(02:02:21):
that I'm lad again away.

Speaker 24 (02:02:34):
My mode is kind along.

Speaker 23 (02:02:41):
I just not again back away Wall. I'm here to
sl me for acting that way. I'm in the sal girl,
I'm here to save me. I'm getting you last Wall,
Oh please or paying girl from off?

Speaker 2 (02:03:07):
Won't you forgive me?

Speaker 23 (02:03:11):
Forgive me?

Speaker 28 (02:03:13):
Listen?

Speaker 23 (02:03:16):
I want you.

Speaker 4 (02:03:29):
The word.

Speaker 17 (02:03:37):
And I have.

Speaker 1 (02:03:57):
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