Full Show Podcast: 29 November 2025

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from our coach in guru, Wayne Goldsmith. First up today
though nineteen seventy four, nineteen ninety and maybe twenty thirty four.
There is genuine optimism New Zealand might host the twenty
thirty four edition of the Commonwealth Games. New Zealand Olympic

(01:35):
Committee Chief Executive Nicky Nichol is standing by the chat
to us about this and then I'm very keen to
get your thoughts on this. Should we bid to host
the common Games? That feels like a yes to me?
But where do they sit in what is an increasingly
crowded sporting landscape. How do you contextualize the Commonwealth Games?

(01:56):
I want to chat about that with you. This our
other matters around today. New Zealand Cricket has a new president.
Former international batsman and Black Caps head coach Mark great
Batch has been being elected to the role on a
three year term. What is the role of the President
of New Zealand Cricket? Mark great Batch on the show
after two Royal Wellington Golf Club is going to host
the eighth edition of the Women's Amateur Asia Pacific Golf

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Championship in February next year, bringing together the region's elite
women amateur golfers competing for starts in three major championships.
We'll find out more from Nick Shan, assistant Director of
Asia Pacific at the RNA after two, going to preview
the Grand Final of Sale GP for you as well
our Australian correspondent Adam Peacock and his regular slot. Already,

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and opening with Travis Head in the second Ashes Test
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Speaker 3 (03:54):
Can he do it?

Speaker 2 (03:54):
He's got the gold medal?

Speaker 4 (03:56):
Oh way it flies.

Speaker 5 (03:57):
Listen to the yell, Oh.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Look he's got it. He's running around right.

Speaker 4 (04:03):
Home in the year.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
Left down in the air, both arms in the air.

Speaker 6 (04:08):
It's up beck one from Tom Wolfs.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
He co'ts clear? The fe made is to swim cleamber
putting into beg once they go to the line. It's
gold for Lewis Clambert. Can you believe it?

Speaker 7 (04:23):
Swim like a butterfly, one like a Geway.

Speaker 6 (04:27):
She's a leeerless leg that she's looking to get herself
home as she works around unto the frustrating she's.

Speaker 7 (04:32):
Towing towards the line of Leasenter.

Speaker 8 (04:34):
She's got gold.

Speaker 7 (04:36):
And our standing race to Alessandriws.

Speaker 9 (04:38):
She controlled the final the women's.

Speaker 10 (04:41):
Karen Chop shots down. It's Gold four Pool Cold Stetarma
Silverams two on the Gold Coast Gold at Birmingham, he.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Goes to his knees some of the golden moments from
the last Commonwealth Games in Birmingham twenty twenty two. Glasgow
will stage next year's Game, although it will be a
scaled back version with fewer sports after the Scottish the
only gained hosting rights last year after the Victorian government
pulled out because of rising costs. The Indian city of

(05:18):
Ametabad confirmed on Thursday as the destination for the centenary
edition of the Games in twenty thirty and now there
is genuine optimism that New Zealand might host the twenty
thirty four edition of the Commonwealth Games, the first time
they would have been here in New Zealand since nineteen ninety.
New Zealand Olympic Committee Chief Executive Nicky Nichol is with

(05:42):
us on this. NICKI, thanks for your time. How keen
are you to try to bring the twenty thirty four
Commonwealth Games to New Zealand?

Speaker 4 (05:49):
Oh?

Speaker 11 (05:49):
I figure it would be a fantastic opportunity, not only
just for our athletes, but for our fans and for
New Zealand and you know, I can remember nineteen ninety
and how it lifted the country. I can remember the
Ruguey Will Cup at twenty eleven, the women's World Cups
have had I mean, we do bigsport, and I think
for our athletes to have something like that to aim for.

(06:10):
You know, there'll be athletes that are still at school,
but it'll be pretty exciting. And forty four years between
drags is quite a long.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Time, indeed, it is. So what is the process from
here in order to carry out a feasibility study and
make the bid official?

Speaker 11 (06:26):
Yeah, well, Commonwell's sport have been in this rebuild phase
on the back of the sudden as draw of Victoria
and you know, we really only have to go back,
you know a short while ago where we were really
challenged around what was going to be the future of
Commonwealth sport and in that short period of time really
exciting when you think about all of the interest that

(06:46):
is in the Commonwealth Games. And so we've got Glasgow
coming up in about eight months time. It was it
was just really inspiring to be in the room when
India was announced and so they have worked through a
new process and so what we've found with the process
that India has just been awarded has been this resets
from Commonwealth Sport. From that, it means that the Games

(07:07):
are much more flexible, they're much more affordable, much more sustainable,
but also means that they've actually got highrograph confidence because
it will be a very competitive process as we've seen
in this last round and we expect thirty four will
be the same.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
So in terms of that, then a flexible event, what
would that mean for a New Zealand hosted Commonwealth Games then.

Speaker 11 (07:31):
Yeah, So what they've done is they've put a lot
more flexibility in the host and so some of the
things that they've done are things like the sport program,
so they've now established and that's just been announced over
the week that we've been up in Glasgow as well.
Eight sports, a core plus a bealodrome, cycling at the
Belodrome if you have one, and that's really getting consistency

(07:53):
for international federations, for national sporting organizations. It gives them
confidence that they're on the schedule every time. So that's
great and they think fifteen to seventeen sports is really
that magic number. So one, there's a sport program, there's
flexibility and of course we can do sports that we
really love. In New Zealand, they want to use existing infrastructure,

(08:14):
so they're really challenging some of the gold standards of
around stadiums and things like that that actually they just
need to be fit for purpose for the events that behold.
So those things are being more flexible. And what we're
seeing in Glasgow the athletes there's no purpose built village,
don't need high capital, athletes are staying in hotels. So
those are the sorts of things that you'll start to

(08:34):
see just to get more flexibility and you know, to
make it more affordable and attractive to more nations as well.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Is the one city model definitely the way for there's
no possibility, for example, that a Commonwealth Games could be
hosted across multiple cities in one country.

Speaker 11 (08:52):
There definitely is the possibility for that, and it even
could be New Zealand and the Pacific could be an idea.
So these are some of the things that we've just
been talking about. Disable you know, no Pacific island country
probably in their own could host a full Commonwealth Games.
But again these are all the ideas. We've got new
facilities in christ which.

Speaker 12 (09:11):
We know about.

Speaker 11 (09:12):
We know the Hawks Bays got some native facilities, we
know plenty Auckland, Cambridge, so you know there are natural
places all throughout New Zealand. And I don't mean to cut,
you know, alienating what I didn't say, but there are
just lots of opportunities. And really what that comes down
to is the balance between reach for our community, because
that's really important to our government that it's accessibility to

(09:35):
as many keys as possible, but also it's a cost
value proposition as well.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
And speaking of cost, would you need significant central government
and local government investment to make this happen?

Speaker 11 (09:49):
Definitely, and so it would definitely be a partnership with government.
And so that's what's been really supportive to this point
around the expression of interest. That expression of interest it's
more than just a we're thinking about it. It is
a commitment to move to another phase, which would be
the feasibility. We expect the timing of that will be

(10:10):
probably post Glasgow, will be the announcement of the I
suppose the time frames with probably over the next twelve
months the process to run through. So that's sort of
the window that we're talking about moving to that next phase.
What was really interesting myself and our President Liz Dawson
sat down had a bilateral meeting with the Indian delegation.

(10:30):
While we're up there, you know, we know what trade,
you know the importance of Indias as a market. We
know the work that we're doing is from a sport
diplomacy as we think about one hundred years of sporting
ties with India next year. So there is a lot
of things that we could also do and learn and
share and also maybe share some of our capability here
to support India as they prepare for twenty thirty as well.

(10:53):
So in the room they had federal, state, and city
delegates from government and they were really leading the bid.
And as we've seen with our government taking a real
lead in providing the boost to tourism to bring events
to New Zealand, these are the sorts of things that
you know, the Indian government is really aspirational in this space.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Yeah, how do you engage Metabad credentials and capability readiness
to host in twenty thirty.

Speaker 11 (11:20):
Yeah, and they were certainly very humble and reflected on
twenty ten. But when we looked at some of the
proposals that they presented to us, the facilities themselves, the
Nourenda Moodi Stadium one hundred and thirty two thousand seat capacity.
They hosted the Cricket World Cup there in twenty three.
They have got massive ambition and even the facilities I've

(11:42):
got now and they talked about what they wanted to
do between now and twenty eight, which it's a three
hundred acre campus, so you know, it is a big
aspiration and ambition for them. From a capability perspective, you know,
they are putting a lot into their pathway through to
twenty forty seven, so one hundred years on, and they

(12:04):
really want to be known for running major events. And
we also know with our other hat on with the Olympics,
they are clearly going very hard for twenty thirty six
Olympics as well. So again this is a demonstration of
that capability as part of trying to show that to
the IOC as well.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
And as you mentioned, Glasgow now less than a year away,
well less than a year away. Is Glasgow ready for
twenty twenty six?

Speaker 11 (12:28):
Oh, it certainly is and rarely Glasgow. The reason Glasgow
could bid for the Games was because of all the
investment they did in twenty fourteen for the Commonwealth Games then,
so they've got world class facilities, they've got a great team.
It has been a short runway, as you know, because
of Victoria. But we've just spent four days with the
people up there, and you know they are so committed

(12:49):
to make sure that it is a great event for
all of our athletes from across the Commonwealth. So feeling
very confident that we will have an amazing games. It
will be a little smaller, but for us, probably seventy
percent of the medals we want to Birmingham.

Speaker 13 (13:01):
Are still up for office, so it's still very material
for us as a pathway for some sports through to
Los Angeles and for others as a real pinnacle such
as you know the bowls and netball, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yeah, and just on that, Nicky, how important do the
Commonwealth Games remain for our elite athletes?

Speaker 11 (13:19):
Well, we've always thought it was important, but I think
suddenly when we didn't have it, which you know, we
were getting close to that or some sports didn't get
on the program for twenty six, we actually realized how
important it was. And it's always the way when you
actually take something away, you actually realize how important things are.
So for us, if I think about our summer athletes,

(13:41):
you know, Glasgow, Los Angeles, met a bad Brisbane, maybe
New Zealand. Like, I mean, that's a pretty exciting roadmap
for them. And so yeah, that certainly the Commonwealth Game
for many of the sports that go onto the Olympics,
very important from a high performance perspective, and certainly high
performance sport in New Zealand, you know, certainly have that
belief as well, all.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Right, and just to finish back to the potential of
twenty thirty four here in New Zealand, so you'll get
past Glasgow, I guess, do a bit of work between
now and then. But beyond Glasgow, are there you know,
are there actual landmarks that you have to hit a
day or a time when you say, right, we we're
in we are we're officially in the hat for twenty

(14:23):
thirty four.

Speaker 11 (14:25):
Yeah, So that timeline hasn't been announced yet from Commonore Sports,
so we'll be guided by them, but certainly, having spent
the last few days with them, I think it definitely
won't be we won't know that timeline before Glasgow, but
again that will be an important opportunity for us to
be present making sure we've got the right representation up
there to keep putting our best foot forward and showing
the credentials of who we are as a country and

(14:46):
being able to you know, bring an amazing event here.
So yes, it's still an ambition, still a lot of
work to do and a bit of time to come,
but you know, it's it's great that we're talking about it,
which I think is really important as well, because that's
what brings energy and gives everyone a real focus.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
Absolutely right, great to be having the conversation, Nikki. Thanks
for joining us this afternoon and giving us the update.
Look forward to progress over the next a little while.

Speaker 11 (15:07):
My pleasure.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
Thanks Jason, No, thank you, Nicki Nicol there, New Zealand
Olympic Committee Chief Executive on the the well, it seemed
like a fairly warm desire there to at least explore
the possibility of hosting the twenty thirty four Commonwealth Games. Yes,
there's a few steps to be undertaken, as you heard
from Nicki there, we won't know until after Glasgow what

(15:29):
the process is around bidding and you know, expressions of interest,
all that sort of thing. But like I said, I
think the fact we're talking about it, I mean that
can't hurt, can it? Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
out of your reaction, should we be looking to host
in twenty thirty four? Now, as soon as you mention
central government funding in other words, tax payer money straight away,

(15:52):
there is an interesting conversation to be had because, as
we know, every taxpayer dollar that goes into something like
this is a taxpayer dollar that doesn't get spent elsewhere,
and there'll always be tension when it comes to that conversation.
But from what I can understand from Nicki there, it's
not the way that it used to be in terms
of the enormous investment needed. I think what's happened with

(16:16):
Victoria pulling out, you know, a sports mad state of
Australia pulling out. As it's been a bit of a
cautionary tail to say, hey, we have to now cut
and slice to suit. We have to be nimble, we
have to be flexible. The future ain't what it used
to be. We need to make sure that the Commonwealth
Games stay relevant but also stay doable, sustainable, you know,

(16:42):
able to be put on by enough cities. Because when
Victoria pulled out, there was a very real possibility. As
Nicki mentioned, there and as I'm sure you would have
picked up on that the Commonwealth Games were not going
to go ahead next year. And until Glasgow stepped in
to pick up the pieces of the Victorian bid to say, hey,

(17:02):
we'll run a scaled back version, there wasn't going to
be a common One Games next year. And if there
wasn't one next year, I highly doubt that there would
have been one in twenty thirty or even beyond. The
Commonwealth Games were in real danger of becoming extinct. So

(17:23):
the fact that now I met a bad is keen
and countries are now back in the conversation, I'm sure
you would have picked up on this as well. India
very keen to get a bit in for the twenty
thirty six Olympic Games, so I'm sure they see the
Commonwealth Games as as a step along that path. Should
we be looking at it. I'm not saying we're going
to host the Olympics, but the Commonwealth Games here, I mean,

(17:47):
I loved it in nineteen ninety I was too young
in nineteen seventy four. You might have had some memories
of that. I've certainly watched lots on television, but I
still remember some of the gold medal winning moments from
nineteen ninety and from many of the Commonwealth Games since.
So that's the second part of this question. How do
you regard the Commonwealth Games. I've heard it suggested that
they don't mean a lot. They're not the Olympics, they're

(18:07):
not the World Champs, They're only the Commonwealth Games. Well,
I would try telling that to people who have stood
on that diace with a medal around their necks twelve
to twenty five at eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
loss coming through on text. Best way to get your
point of crosses on the phone, Jonathan, Hi, mate, Well.

Speaker 9 (18:28):
Hi Jason, Yeah, that's exciting. I think about that, just
at least have an investigation into it. I'm worried about
the cost though, because if Melbourne couldn't do it, my goodness,
what chance of we then? But I think it would
be okay putting that aside, I think it would be fabulous.
And my opinion of the venue or the location would

(18:51):
be christ Church and that would be the sixtieth aniversary
of the nineteen seventy four. If I've done my math correctly,
you have great And whether or not we can mix
it with other parts of that area with Auckland that
you know, you'd have the cycling Bella Derme and Cambridge thereabouts.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yep.

Speaker 9 (19:12):
I don't know what's supporting facilities for there be around
christ Church, but that's why i'd like to see it
back in christ Church. Auckland would be the main target.

Speaker 14 (19:24):
I guess.

Speaker 9 (19:25):
They had it the last time it was here and
I think it would be nice to for to go
back to christ Church. But I mean logistically, in that
stadium down there, it's not enormous, is it.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
So no, and it doesn't have a running it doesn't Yeah,
it doesn't ever running. It does have a running track either,
and I don't think you can put one in there
a year so that I don't think they could use
the Kaho, But there is there are facilities down there.
They've just got a you know, they've got a brand
new complex down there with an Olympic swimming pool in
it and I had a chance to look through it
earlier this year and it's absolutely magnificent. It's a wonderful

(20:00):
facility both of the community but also for elite events
like this. So yeah, I don't I guess you just
a imadically think, Okay, well, Auckland because it's got the
biggest population, the most facilities, most accommodation, that sort of staff.
But yeah, I like the idea. There's sixty years. You
did the math perfectly, Jonathan from nineteen seventy four. Who

(20:21):
knows we might have some more wonderful Commonwealth Games moments
in the Garden City. Good on you, mate, Thanks for
calling in. Yeah, people have made the same point you
did as well, Jonathan. If Melbourne can't do it, then
how could we? Again, though we're not talking the same
thing anymore. I think, like I say, Melbourne was a
cautionary tail of the fact that that model is not

(20:42):
sustainable anymore. We can't do it that way anymore. It
has to be it has to be cut and sliced.
You heard NICKI mention the eight core sports that are
going to be involved in the Commonwealth Games moving forward.
I can tell you what they are. They won't surprise you.
I'm sure athletics and swimming. I think they're your first two,
aren't they They might surprise you. The rest table tennis,

(21:05):
bowls and weightlifting, as well as their power sport equivalents,
artistic gymnastics, netball, and boxing. Those are the eight core sports,
and then the host can add a further seven to
nine from a list of fifteen optional sports. So I
Metabad will have the chance to choose their optional sports,

(21:25):
and no doubt they will look at sports that mean
a lot to the fine people of a Metabad. T
twenty cricket without a doubt will be there, Absolutely it will,
and they'll look at the other ones and say what's
most relevant to us. Bevan Melbourne, do you have any
insight into what happened over there? Mateen? Why why it
all sort of fell over? You know, eighteen months out

(21:47):
from hosting I.

Speaker 15 (21:49):
Do Jason Good to speak to it and it was
one of the things. Yeah, it was one of the
things that basically brought down Dan Andrews. And what people
don't realize is that they the Victorian government gave Glasgow
over two hundred million dollars and this is this is
all legit to take it to just so they could
get rid of it. So Glasgow, it's actually been funded

(22:12):
by this, by me, by the the people of Victoria
to get to just to offload it. I mean, one
of your previous callers made the perfect point. I mean,
if Melbourne, which is the sporting capital of Well, i'd
say maybe Asia can't do it. Oh, well it's crazy. Yeah,

(22:33):
I think it's just and I thought we were broke,
you know, sorry New Zealand was in the hole. And
so as the CEO said, they will need to ask
for government for money and it'll be millions of dollars.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah, tens of millions. I would say, it won't be
in the hundreds of millions, but there will be tens
of millions, I would say, Bevan And I guess, like
I said before, it's a reimagined model where you don't
have to build new venues for starters. I don't think
anyone would suggest that we have to build a brand
new Valu Droma, a brand new you know, track and

(23:08):
field venue, that sort of stuff. We have to go
with what exists already. But yeah, that is a it
is a very salient point. If Victoria, this powerhouse of
Australasian and Asian sport, can't host the Commonwealth Games, then
there must be question marks over us doing it.

Speaker 15 (23:28):
Yeah, and I agree with some of the comments that
you know about sort of you know, they're staying in
hotels because building a village is just ridiculous. But I
mean they've got the Vlodrome and Cambridge as well, so
like you know, the high performance sports socychic, so that
that's all all do it. But it's just you know, yeah,
just just the fact that there is there will be
a massive cost and it's just yeah, I don't know,

(23:50):
like and the other thing too, just quickly. Has anyone
really missed the Commonwealth Games? I haven't even really thought
about it until you brought it up today on your show.

Speaker 14 (23:58):
I haven't missed it.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah, we haven't. We haven't missed any of them. I
mean the twenty twenty two went ahead and so will
twenty twenty six, so it's not like we have missed one.
I think what Nikki said was the prospect of not
having it kind of sharpened a few views on it.

Speaker 15 (24:15):
So what I mean was like, have you have you
personally kind of like gone, oh, what happened to the
Commonwealth Games? That's what I meant about missing Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
No, no, yeah put it this way, Bevan. I don't
think about the Commonwealth Games in between Commonwealth Games that much,
but when they come around. I do enjoy watching them, mate,
I do it, And I'm like, you made them a
bit of a sports a bit of a sports fanatic.
I'll watch anything good to get your insight mate, Yeah
and yeah. Yet that would have been a hard sell

(24:44):
and no wonder it was part of the downfall of
Dan Andrews saying hey, we're not going to host the
games and we have to give two hundred million dollars
to Glasgow of your money. Twenty eight away from one,
Aaron Carlos, please hold there. I want to get to
you after this O eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
if you've got a view the contextualization of the Commonwealth Games,
where do they sit? And should we be looking at

(25:07):
bringing them here in twenty thirty four? Back with more
of your thoughts after this.

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Speaker 2 (25:20):
News talks the twenty five to one. Chris says, can
we just bloody do it? I think of that fun
New Zealm was during the twenty eleven World Cup, the
nineteen ninety Colm Games. We never get the opportunity we
need it for the local morale. Boos something to look
forward to Let's be honest, we might be getting Rugby
World Cup again. Chris. I like your way of thinking.
It doesn't take into account a number of factors, but
I just I just really like the Can we just

(25:42):
bloody do it approach?

Speaker 4 (25:45):
Aaron?

Speaker 2 (25:45):
Hi, mate, thanks for holding.

Speaker 16 (25:48):
Grudging Yes, we will get the Rugby World Cup. It's
the New Zealand's spiritual home of rugby, so it's just
non sort. It might come back here history. It's a
pilgrimage that so many people want to do, so we
will see it for that reason emotional only. But aside,
that's different do conframes other things. The reason why it's

(26:09):
not in Victoria, not Melbourne Victoria is that Daniel Andrews
lied to the public and they it was an election
bright to get them re elected, that they were going
to take it round the regions and then build all
the facilities for it. So they all had to be
built and everyone's going to have all these shining new
toys and so on and so forth. That's why the
budget blew out, and so firstly that's what went wrong,

(26:31):
and they should have just moved it to Melbourne because
I've got all the facilities there to do it. So
something else is up and we'll find out about why
that didn't happen later on. But everything Melbourne does have
all the stuff, they could have absolutely hosted it and
drop of the hat. So that's the first one over.
Next up as New Zealand could host it, and I
heard someone mentioned before crush Chach not calling them crush chach.

(26:53):
We could. As you'll be aware, you're used to Kaha
staying so you're opening and closing ceremonies because you don't
need the running track in that for those you do
that there because that's an event space as well as
a sports space. You do your track and field and
the purn a way that's the brand new athletics facility
and christ Sheitch And here's what I want to trail
on the next We're about to take down our Tin

(27:14):
Pou stadiums, so why not store a whole lot of
stuff from that, all that seating and stadium stuff that's
there really for those games and have it ready to
go because we've got all the Tinpreue stadiums stuff sitting
at the current Orange Series stadiums.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
And this is the kind of this is the kind
of can do attitude. I love exactly. This is this
isn't like oh yeah, but yeah, but I know we can't.
We can't because of this. Because of that, I love
the can do attitude, mate, I love it. And look,
I know the fine folk of christ Jitch absolutely love
their sport too. And you're right. The facilities down there,
the new ones, the new I'm not sure if you've
had a look at. I'm not sure if it's even

(27:52):
open yet. The new swimming pool complex down there. It's
got the Olympic pool in it. It's amazing. It's got
diving and everything Olympic you know, ten meters diving board
and everything.

Speaker 16 (28:02):
Yeah, all of that stuff is there. And it does
open in an in a few weeks, the middle of December.
It's open. We've got the special Olympics coming to town
and so that kicks us off. That's actually the first
ever event there before the public can even use it.
So it's a great way to get people along to
see it prior to it being open for playing in.
I'm actually a city councilor and christ Church, so I've

(28:23):
followed this stuff pretty closely. But I would move the
cycling to our good neighbors down and in the cargo.
Let's not forget in the South Island. I've got a
fantastic vallodrone down there, so I'd have all the cycling there.
Of course, the mountain biking you'd have here because we've
got the Adventure Park up the hill right here in
christ Church for that part. So I don't know, We've

(28:43):
got all the facilities. Let's just get on and do it.
And you're only talking tens of millions, and we could
wrap this up to a very big number and put
New Zealand on the map. And it's a TV event now.
It's no longer large stadia that needs huge crowds. It's
about having it look really good on screen.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Good man, Aaron, Well, I'm mate. You get my vote
literally and figuratively for the for the games themselves. Look, yeah,
as I say, there's so much year but these days,
oh yeah, but I know what about this. I know
we can't because of the more of the can do

(29:24):
attitude for me. Thanks Aaron, appreciate your call. And yeah,
by the sounds of it. Yeah. The new facilities which
are appearing in christ Jurich, including Ta Kaha and the
new swimming complex which is also a wider community facility
as well. I do know the name of it, but
I'm not going to try. I'm just going to make
sure I get it right. I had a tour through

(29:45):
there when I was down there earlier in the year
for the Super Rugby Final. It's absolutely outstanding facility. Good
to hear it's opening soon with the Special Olympics the
first event. Thanks Aaron, appreciate your call mate. All the best,
Carlos Hi.

Speaker 17 (29:57):
Yeah, absolute piney Aaron spot on buddy. I'm with him
all the way. I mean, I mean, I was fortunate,
and I want to say fortunate. I'm an old bugger now,
but to be brought up the seventy four Commonwealth Games
and that's it's to my mind forever and I have
the such great memories about that, and people will do.
I'm sure you know in the nineties, you know when

(30:21):
they were young getting there, and I'm sure you do.
We can. Why does it have to be at one
venture this spread up? New Zealand's a small country. We're
not like you know, Canada or somebody else out there
or Australia. Let's spread it around. Let's have whatever events
are around, Let's have the cycling there, Let's have this there.

(30:44):
Surely that must couple of costs down a bit and
get it on board.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Yeah, it makes sense as well, Carlos. You think about
the Paris Olympic Games. I mean the sailing was down
in the south of France, you know, hundreds of kilometers away.
You just you have to be nimble and flexible and adaptable.
You're so right. You don't have to say, okay, well
we can't have it in this place because we don't
have a velodrome. There's a there's a you know, there
are perfectly in fact, there are world class Valo dromes

(31:12):
in Cambridge and and Viicago. Now, so yeah, we're not
a you know, we're not a big country where where
it takes hours and hours to get from place to place.
It's let's you know, make it happen by being a
little bit flexible about.

Speaker 17 (31:24):
This, absolutely pointy that spread it around, that brings you know,
tourism and everything, because some people down the South Land
whatever it is, you know, up in the North Island
in the summer, I mean, for goodness sake, I mean,
it's just a no brain it's me and let's bring
it on.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Good stuff. Colors love it mate, Thanks for calling in
part of Keioti Recreation and Sports Center is the name
of the new facility in christ Church. It will be
the largest aquatic and indoor recreation and leisure venue of
its kind in New Zealand. Part of Keioti. When I
went through, when would that have been when it was
a Super Rugby final? May it? May? I think was

(32:07):
that when I was down in Christy It's June perhaps
Andy Partakioti. They gave me a bit of a tour
through and it was just awesome. I could just like
I say, it's it's obviously a community facility, but it
also has an elite capability and that it has like
I say that the pool part of it is there's

(32:29):
a there's a swimming pool, but it's extendable. Would you
believe the technology is amazing? Late June, thanks Andy, late
June I was down there, and so they can make
it an Olympic sized pool. They have, like I say,
the dive, a full diving you know, like Olympic credentialed
diving pool with the spring boards and the ten meter platform.

(32:50):
I went up on the ten meta platform. That was
a mistake. I didn't dive and there was no water
in the pool at the time. But it's an outstanding facility.
Could it be part of a coasting of a of
a Commonwealth Games, Well, it'll be a massive box ticked
if you've got the aquatics facility. The two core sports
of the Commonwealth Games are track and field and swimming.

(33:14):
So tick those two boxes and you're halfway there. The
other facilities often, you know, there's multi purpose facilities. I
look at the other sports here, table tennis, weightlifting, netball,
artistic gymnastics. These are all sports that could be held, boxing,
that could be held in the same place. You know, bowls,
you just I mean, there's plenty of bowling clubs and

(33:36):
Christied burnsides.

Speaker 8 (33:37):
Massive.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
We're nearly there. We're nearly there, seventeen away from one.
News talks there, but we're talking Common Games until one o'clock.
And it just the relevance of them as well, as
I say, I know some people, you know, perhaps tend
to turn their nose up a little bit of the
Commonwealth Games. They're not the Olympics, of course they're not,
but for many they are a pinnacle event. Lawn bowls,
it's a pinnacle event, netball pinnacle event, and for many

(34:03):
athletes who are never going to stand on a podium
at the Olympic Games. Standing on a podium at the
Commonwealth Game still means a lot. You can't tell me
that when you see an athlete on the top step
of a dice at the Commonwealth Games, filled with emotion
after winning a gold medal, that it's put on, that
it's somehow secondary, that it's fake. Oh, one hundred and

(34:27):
eighty ten eighty sixteen to one, back with more of
your calls after this.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
The Tough Questions Off the Turf Weekend Sport with Jason
Pine and GJ. Gunnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Builder thirteen to one. Sure and good, I mate, Yet.

Speaker 18 (34:44):
My hair going calling from a very human, steamy Bruceblane
this morning lady, thirty degrees or half last night in
the morning.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Yeah, that's what I intro. Well I didn't trying to
make us all jealous over here in fourteen degree Wellington
made yeha.

Speaker 18 (35:02):
The city councilor from cars Shurch was bay on the money.
It wasn't a Melbourne Common Games. It was a regional
Common Games based out of Bendigo and the reason for
that was Melbourne hosted the two thousand and six Commonwealth Games.
I don't know if you remember, but the other front

(35:23):
runner for the two thousand and six was Wellington. They
were seriously looking at putting.

Speaker 19 (35:28):
A bit in.

Speaker 18 (35:30):
Don't know whether I think I sort of got the
message back then, well they're not going to match Melbourne
because Melbourne's a bigger player, more money and all that
sort of stuff. I was, Yeah, so I was. I
was involved with the Common Games here in Gold Coast
in twenty eighteen, very very successful event. One of the
big things they did for cost cutting was the volunteer

(35:53):
part of it, so they really really hammered be a volunteer,
be part of it, do you a bit. Initially there
was some resistance, but then in the end it was
a roaring success. Everyone got free uniforms. That sort of
staff are well looked after and you still see people
wearing their volunteers uniforms today and that's what seven years later.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
M hmm.

Speaker 20 (36:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (36:15):
It's very good.

Speaker 17 (36:16):
Also, it's critical and.

Speaker 18 (36:18):
This is the joys of dinner of government. Get the
right people in to do the right jobs. Even here
in the Gold Coast, there is a lot of taxpayer
money wasted on just bureaucracy and stupid stuff. So if
you can rain add in run a tight ship, maybe
sell it to the public, which wouldn't be hard in
New Zealand, depending where you have it. Christ it sounds

(36:41):
like a good idea.

Speaker 21 (36:42):
I think it would be a good.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
A good option, good Man, Sean, good summary.

Speaker 14 (36:47):
Mate, it's a great that's.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
A great five. It's a great five. Sense enjoy the
steamy surrounds of Queensland, mate, humber bit jealous. Thanks for calling,
giving us having it's the benefit of your opinion, which
is a good one, and also making us a bit
jealous of the wonderful temperatures you have over there. What
a great part of the world, A gold coast Brisbane
fantastic eight hundred and eighty ten eighty our number. Thanks Sean.

Speaker 22 (37:11):
Hi Mary, Hi poney, Hey, it concerns me you've been
a ranging seller. You never really mentioned Wellington. I've just
been down there and that's those scentistic facilities out near
for Tony then c is it?

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Yes, Yes, that's it.

Speaker 22 (37:29):
It's amazing that face there, So you know how much
it can hold. I don't know, but Wearrington's got so
many facilities.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
Yeah, Mary, you're saying, look, don't, don't. I'm absolutely a
proud Wellingtonian. There's absolutely no doubt about that. I'm just
thinking to myself and I don't want to become a
one of these, oh year, but I think about where
we would have the track and field. Newtown Park is
a good venue, but would it have the size for
something like that. Indeed, Cis, You're right, is an absolutely

(38:01):
wonderful facility. It's more of a training facility than a
performance facility, but I'm sure that they could make some
changes there. Olympic try swimming, Paul, we have one of those.
So yeah, look I would be Look, you would absolutely
get no argument from me if it could be made
to happen. But I guess, I guess I default to
christ you at your or upland there is more likely

(38:24):
than you know venues all locations.

Speaker 22 (38:27):
The thing is, Wellington's got really good you know, transport
facilities as well, compared to Auckland's terrible whereas Wellington's. I mean,
I'm sticking up for Wellington because I love it there,
and that ends the C I s. I just think
that that's a lot of lot of people know about it,
like we've only just discovered and I've not seen there

(38:49):
for two or three years, but it's the Spen facilities
out there. But you're right about track and field, I'm
not sure.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Yeah again, though I'm sure that arrangements could be made
of some sort mirror. What you don't want is for
a whole new facility to have to be built because
I just don't think that's feasible. Upgraded maybe, but yeah,
let's have a can do attitude about it. I'm glad
you enjoyed your visit to ns cis. It's absolutely remarkable,
world class facility.

Speaker 23 (39:19):
Peter High Oh good o there, Pony. I'm all for
the christ all for that christ jurge. But even though
I'm the Wellington one eyed.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Supporter, I was going to say, Peter, I would have
expected you to be front footing the Wellington bird.

Speaker 23 (39:33):
Ah. But I've got a half of it.

Speaker 24 (39:35):
I want the sevens here, all the racey here, Yes,
in Wellington because we originally started it off and in
New Zealand there we were the headquarters for it and
unfortunately lost it.

Speaker 23 (39:48):
But I was down there in seventy four they were
the friendly games and you know Richard Taylor there winning
winning his race and the swim of Pankhouse, I think
it was. And I went to the six other other
sports down there and the city was just alive. And
I reckon, with all these new facilities down there, Piney,

(40:12):
I reckon that they should have it, and perhaps the
cycling could go down then the cargol to reduce the
costs too.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
Nice one, Peter. Good thoughts from you as always great
to hear from you, mate. I know you're a huge
fan of crack and field in particular, but all sport,
so I'm good to get your view. Thanks. Indeed, just
on seven away from One, JT says it's twenty seven
degrees in ash Person, so I guess that's as a
there's a counterpoint to the thirty odd degrees that is

(40:40):
in Brisbane where Shawn called from before. Can anybody beat
twenty seven? Our text numbers nineteen nine and two of
so back in the.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Moment from breaking down the Hail Mary's and the every Field.

Speaker 8 (40:52):
Weekend Sport with Jason nin News Talk zenby.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
Four to one, Wayne says twenty eight degrees at Auckland Airport.
Sue says in Vokatan it's twenty nine twenty nine here
in flexmea Hastings is this one says? Who needs the
Gold coast twenty eight degrees here in Todonga, gorgeous in
the mounts for the surf games this weekend. Thank you, Michelle.
It's actually, I think pretty pretty nice everywhere. Aparpromble I

(41:17):
am and Wellington's fine today. It's absolutely no problem, but
it certainly doesn't get to the high twenties. Thanks for
your cause and correspondence on the com Game's great discussion
after one, how would an All Blacks season review typically
be carried out?

Speaker 1 (41:34):
It's the only place to discuss the biggest sports issues
on and afterfield.

Speaker 8 (41:39):
It's all on Weekend Sport with Jason Hyde on your
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Speaker 2 (41:45):
Use York one O seven. Welcome in or welcome back,
as the case may be. This is Weekend Sport on
News Talk said beat, I'm Jason Pine with Any McDonnell
running the cutter. We're here till three after two. Mark
great batches on the show, looking forward to chatting to him.
He's now the president of New Zealand Cricket. What does
that mean? What are his roles and responsibilities? And just

(42:06):
to look ahead twenty four hours this time tomorrow after
the one o'clock News tomorrow, delighted to welcome Michael Campbell
in for an extended chat. It's twenty years since he
won the US Open. Is a documentary which is going
to premiere tomorrow night on Sky Sport which basically talks

(42:29):
in depth about that very occasion. It's called Dare to
Be Different, The Michael Campbell Story. It's on Sky Sport
tomorrow night. Ahead of that, Michael Camb're going to chat
to us tomorrow about two thousand and five, but also
about his career, the ups and downs, proving the doubt
is wrong and rising to the very top of the

(42:51):
golfing world. So that's tomorrow after the one o'clock News,
Michael Campbell on the show. Just a quick shout out
to the good folk of Nelson. I had a wonderful
opportunity to spend the evening there last night for the
Nelson's Sport and Recreation Awards put on by Sport Tasman
the team down there. Anyone who spent any time in

(43:12):
Nelson or knows anything about that wonderful place, knows what
a sporting hot bed it is. And the number of
elite sports people who have emerged from Nelson is just
eyewatering and it continues. Yeah, awesome night last night at
the Rutherford Hotel celebrating the best in sport and recreation

(43:33):
across the Nelson region. Huge congratulations to Sport tasman CEO
Ed Shuttleworth, Ryan Edwards who drives the whole show and
their awesome team down there. It was a great night.
Reci Leana PODi Lane. Incidentally, the seventh Star was, for
the second year in a row, the winner of the

(43:53):
Supreme Award down there. It was terrific stuff. So thanks
to the good folk and Nelson for having me enjoyed it.
Got to get back sometime soon. Nine past one, we
have officially reached the midway point of the Rugby World
Cup cycle.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
And the curtain comes down on season twenty twenty five
for the All Blacks. No brand Slam, three losses, ten weeks,
final score fifty two to twenty six and Cardiff.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
So we're done, all done for twenty twenty five. The
end of season review for the All Blacks will now commence,
In fact, it may already have. So what is the
best approach to something like this? Do you rebuild or
do you continue to build? Do you change nothing, do
you change everything? Do you change some things? And if
it's the last one, what do you change? And how

(44:45):
do you know were you going to get your biggest
bang for buck. Let's get some expert insight into this
from coaching guru Wayne Goldsmith, a regular contributor to Weekend
Sport and a real font of knowledge when it comes
to this sort of thing, Wayne, can we look at
those three options? Change everything, change nothing, or ch change

(45:06):
some things? If you change nothing, is that even an
option these days to do nothing, to just keep on
doing the same things you know? Or is it actually
an option? I'm not saying that the all blacks case,
but if something isn't broke, do you really not need
to fix it?

Speaker 25 (45:23):
It's pointy, it's such a fascinating concept to consider, isn't so?
For example, if someone said to me, Wayne, we've recruited
you in twenty twenty eight to win some Olympic gold
medals in twenty thirty two, im medially my brain is saying, look,
I'm going to build progressively over the first year two years.

(45:46):
Then we're going to refine some elements because I want
to be at my peak on that day in that
place in twenty thirty two. Whether I show what we're
doing or give away too much in the lead up,
that's an issue for debate.

Speaker 12 (46:01):
And I think just looking at Spring Tour at.

Speaker 25 (46:03):
The moment, that's the question I've got is how many
of the teams, say all black Spring Box Wallabies to
a certain extent, How many of them are on a
path that they've put in place two years ago or
even earlier with the aim of peaking, and they believe
that they're on track.

Speaker 12 (46:23):
How many of them have got to sit back and
go war.

Speaker 25 (46:26):
I know we said we're going to do that, and
I know we're going to focus on a defensive game
or an attacking game or a counter attacking game. How
many of them gow? I know we said that, but
it's just not working. Two years is enough time for
us to change, and some of it is, you know,
I look at it and think, is what we're seeing?

Speaker 12 (46:44):
What we're seeing?

Speaker 25 (46:46):
So are we seeing a true reflection of teams building
towards greatness in two years? Are we seeing teams that
have just lost the plot and don't know and what
then as a result, what needs to be changed? How
does it need to be changed? When does it need
to be changed, and how will I know even if
that works. Is the spring tour, for example, the the

(47:06):
benchmark and the guide to see whether or not our
plan for two years is on place? Is that the
Southern Hemisphere competitions. These are huge questions that everyone's battling
with at the moment.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
The big picture is such an interesting topic for me
because you know, in rugby circles, international rugby circles, big
picture is the Rugby World Cup. But in these days
of instant gratification, particularly as you know Wayne over here,
whether the All Blacks are expected to win every single
Test match they play, how challenging is it to keep
your eyes on the big picture.

Speaker 25 (47:41):
Yeah, it's part of I think also being confident and
and comfortable in the vision and the plans that you
put in place when you took over the job. So
when you came in and said, look, I'm very confident
we've got the staff, the leadership, the funding, the players
to be really successful in Rugby World Cup. But it's

(48:03):
going to take a bit of time because the Irish
really picked up. We've got two time defending World championships.
In the South Africans, we're seeing some growth in Argentina,
the competition's got tougher and even as we've seen a
little bit with France.

Speaker 12 (48:17):
So we're confident we can be right in four years,
but we.

Speaker 25 (48:21):
May not be absolutely sharpen out our best until that
last eighteen months. Now, you've got to be able to
sell that to the board. You've got to be able
to sell that to the fans, to the media, and
to the players and to the provincial union.

Speaker 12 (48:35):
You have to be able to sell it to.

Speaker 25 (48:37):
Everybody to say, yeah, sure, we'd like to be winning,
but we are faith in you.

Speaker 12 (48:41):
We know that you're heading in the right direction.

Speaker 25 (48:43):
We've seen your bigger vision and it's okay that you're
not winning everything right now because we want that Rugby
World Club desperately in two years, and they'll.

Speaker 12 (48:51):
Give you a little bit of slack.

Speaker 25 (48:52):
I think if you haven't sold your vision well, people
start chipping away, and you know, of course, it's interesting,
is it. You know, it don't matter what's going wrong,
what's the solution. Sack the head coach. It could be
it doesn't matter what's going wrong. That's always the first
solution that people will turn to. And if the head
coach has got a great vision, for peaking at the

(49:15):
right time and dominating the next Rugby World Cup when
second next the head coach would be the dumbest thing
you could do.

Speaker 12 (49:22):
And that's the trick, isn't it?

Speaker 25 (49:23):
Is what do I need to keep doing? What do
I need to stop doing? And then what do I
need to introduce? Is there anything new that I can
bring in that's going to make a big difference. The
problem we're changing too many things, Pinte is the players
start the panic if you go, hey, guys, I know
I sold you the vision and I know we talked

(49:43):
about this master plan and peaking in the next Rugby
World Cup, and I know I told you that, but
I'm going to change one hundred and twenty sixties because
you've got to be really careful because if you've got
that high sense of belief from the team that what
you're doing is right and it's everything's going to come
good and be rosy and the Rugby World Cup and

(50:06):
you start to change things too dramatically, now will they start.

Speaker 12 (50:10):
To think, Hang on a minute, what are we following
this guy for?

Speaker 25 (50:13):
He told us and we believed in any and now
he's changing everything about the team.

Speaker 12 (50:18):
So even if you come up with the right solution.

Speaker 25 (50:21):
You've got to be very clever and very strategic about
how you introduce the change.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
All right, I want to come to that in a minute.
The option of changing some things. But over here we'
and you alluded to it there, you know, complete change,
the nuclear option, as it's called. Over here, we change
the coaching staff completely. We sacked the head coach and
in the next two years we put faith in somebody else.

(50:47):
When and how do you know if that is actually
an option?

Speaker 12 (50:53):
Well, that's dearly. That's the purpose of reviews.

Speaker 25 (50:56):
I know when I do reviews now, whether it's nrrel
or professional teams, Olympic sports, it takes me a week
or so and most of the time I'm just talking
to people, start to get a feel for what do
people feel? So what are they Because you know, it's
sport pointing. We're rarely dealing with logic. We can throw
stats and data at people. It's so much of this
industry is what are people feel? What do people think?

(51:19):
We can throw all the data you're like, you can say, look, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Defense is slowly improving ball retentions, improving breakdowns and getting
but here's.

Speaker 12 (51:29):
The data to prove it.

Speaker 25 (51:30):
But if the players and the staff and the people
around the team don't believe it and they're not feeling it,
then that all the data in the world's not going
to make any difference.

Speaker 12 (51:39):
That's that's the critical thing.

Speaker 25 (51:40):
So I like to go and get a feel and
an understanding what what people think, believe and feel before
I look at the data. And that's really important. So
I would be I would be imagining that they're going
through that process now. They want to get real understanding
for exactly that great line, no good coming up with

(52:01):
a great solution to the wrong problem, and I think
doing the nuclear option. You know, I would do the
nuclear option if I could show that everything was falling apart,
So if the coaches had lost the faith of the
change room, if our data was going terribly, if staff
and players were saying, look, this is just the wrong

(52:22):
way to go, we don't believe in them, if there
was real obvious of internal politics, if there was a
disconnect with the player group, if there were a lot
of things wrong, then of course you've got to look
at big solutions when there's big problems. But I rarely
see that rarely, so usually it's it's it's just little
things that need tweaking.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
All right, Well, let's go to that then, because I
get the feeling that's what they'll do. They won't, you know,
the decision makers say right, keep on doing what you're
doing because clearly there are still you know, some gaps
and performance. They're not going to I don't think get
rid of the coaching staff. So let's go to option three.
You change some things. So how do you know? How
do you decide what to change what not to change?

(53:04):
Do you look at what the opposition are doing? Do
you stick true to your own path? How do you know, Wyanne,
where you're going to get your biggest bang for buck
in changing some things?

Speaker 13 (53:16):
Well?

Speaker 25 (53:16):
I think with you guys made you and I have
had a few laughs about this over the years, is
that my view of New Zealand is generally in sport,
is you just don't have enough faith in yourself. When
I was in Canada recently and then Ireland and England,
the All Blacks, the respect and the esteem and the

(53:38):
way they're looked at not just as a team, but
their culture and their history of excellence. And if you
read an Oco's new book, I mean it's just whether
you're winning on this spring till you have been the
benchmark for one hundred and twenty years, and never forget that.
I think the biggest danger pon is you go, you
know what, the Irish really came at us, here, here,

(54:01):
and here. We've got to change because that's what the
Irish are doing. Or you go to the souths they
will like steam rollers. We've got to change because that's
what the South Africans are doing.

Speaker 12 (54:11):
That's dumb, dumb, dumb.

Speaker 25 (54:14):
The reason that you guys are respected so much around
the world and have been and will always be in
my view, is because you play.

Speaker 12 (54:22):
Like your place.

Speaker 25 (54:23):
It's a relentless, remorseless.

Speaker 12 (54:28):
Fast, highly technical.

Speaker 25 (54:30):
The way you play is what everyone else spends their
time trying to figure out how to beat you. And
the big mistake you would make if I was again
tied up with your black seas. Don't shift from always
from being what I call the hunted, the thinking you
now you're just hunters. You are still considered the benchmark,
the one that everyone wants to beat around the world.

(54:53):
So the changes need to be New Zealand changes. They
need to be, well, what do we do well when
we're playing and dominating. What is it about us? Relentless
counter attack, doily powerful defense, acceleration and speed to break down,
brilliant attacking play, incredible accuracy with our kicking game. They're

(55:15):
the things that have made the All Blacks exceptional for
so long. If you're going to make changes, make New
Zealand changes, don't get sucked in to thinking well, we'll
steal that from South Africa, and we'll pinch that from
the Poems and we'll steal that from Ireland. Does it No,
that would be the single biggest mistake you can may
have faith in yourselves.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Just to finish. Then if you and I are chatting
a year from now, and I'm sure we will be,
and it's a year out from the World Cup and
the All Blacks are still off track a little bit,
there are still work ons. Is November twenty twenty six
too late to be ready for November twenty twenty seven?

Speaker 25 (55:57):
Look, I think what I know of the coaching staff,
and I would think you would have and I call it.

Speaker 12 (56:04):
I call it the success flow chart.

Speaker 25 (56:07):
I would go, right, what do we need to do
right here, right now to have a great December general? Obviously,
players I'll have a break before they go back to
Super Rugby.

Speaker 12 (56:15):
But but I would.

Speaker 25 (56:17):
Go all right, Plan A is we stay on track,
we switch a few little things, and then we are
reassessed this time next year.

Speaker 12 (56:27):
Plan A is, if we're going better, we do this.
Plan B. If we're going the same, we do this.
Plan C. If we're going really down on the train,
we do this.

Speaker 25 (56:39):
I would think you need three plans ready and lined
up to go so that this time next year, no
matter what discussion you're and I are having, that they're
not starting from scratch and going, oh my god, what
the hell do we sorry, that's swear when.

Speaker 12 (56:55):
But what do we do? You know, what do we do?

Speaker 25 (56:58):
If you get to this time next year and you
don't have alternative paths, then that's when the organization will
force it on you. That's when you see those catastrophic
decisions like boards saying, right, you guys are all out,
We're bringing everybody in no matter what happens, highly successful
same as we are now, or catastrophic failures. I would

(57:19):
suggest very strongly the coaching staff and the leadership, you've
got to have three plans up your sleeve so that
you can come back from spring tour and go right.
It didn't work quite the way we thought. We're still
in track bank and Plan B is already in place.
I would probably even have some shadow staff kicking in
Plan B and see a little bit behind the scenes,

(57:39):
so that if you've got to make a last minute change,
they were already doing it. They're already We've already had
that as a contingency plan if this happens. And I
know it's counterintuitive because people say no high performance, totally committed,
uncompromising dedication.

Speaker 12 (57:54):
To one plan. That's not the real world.

Speaker 25 (57:56):
You've got to be adaptable, flexible and ready to switch
regardless of what happens to you. And I mean the
Kuwees are still made to my They're just a benchmark,
and they're smart enough to know that that they'll have
three plans up this sleep and they'll have one in play,
and I'll have two ready to go no matter what happens,

(58:17):
so that they're firing in Rugby World Cup.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Well, all Blacks fans listening across our country will certainly
hope that you're right. Wayne. Terrific insight is always from
you on a fascinating topic. Mate. Let's stay in touch
look forward to catching up again soon.

Speaker 12 (58:29):
Always a pleasure, my friend.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Thank you mate. That is Wayne Goldsmith WG coaching dot com.
Incidentally is his website. Just a plethora of amazing insight
and information on there. Wayne always brings good insight. One
twenty four. Like I know, I said last week, we
wouldn't talk All Black Rugby anymore. This year, probably we might,
though we might just talk it for a couple of minutes.

(58:51):
I eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Just put yourself
in that review room, just, you know, just imagine for
a second that you're part of the review process for
the All Black years. So you've got Scott Robertson in
front of you. What are the two or three questions
that you're asking to get assurances that things are going

(59:15):
in the right direction, And if you want to zoom
out from that a little bit, I'd be very, very
keen to know whether you think there are any circumstances
under which they would make significant change. I've said it
all along and I stand by it. I do not
see them taking the nuclear option, much as it's been
talked about, the fact that if they wanted to, they could.

(59:39):
David Kirk's chair of the board and presumably he's running
this process. Could if he wanted to make a change,
he could say, look, we've given this two years. It
ain't working. We're going to go a different way in
order to get success at the twenty twenty seven Rugby
World Cup. If he wanted to, he could, or the
review panel could. I honestly cannot see a set of

(59:59):
circumstances under which they would do that. It just doesn't
seem feasible to me. It's not as though, you know,
we've got a fifty percent win record under Scott Robertson
ten out of thirteen this year, ten out of fourteen
last year. It's hardly catastrophic. However, there will be assurances

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needed for comfort to be had around where we are
with the Rugby World Cup now less than two years away.
So just the two or three things that you'd want
assurance is about. One thing that I would love to
hear from Scott Robertson is that he is going to
do more of the actual coaching of this team. And

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it may have come as a surprise to you, It
certainly did a little bit to me that it was
reported in the Herald back end of our Northern Tour
that actually most of the tactical, actual rugby coaching of
the team is not done by Scott Robertson that he
is more of a manager in the style of an
English football manager for example, who oversees things as a

(01:01:09):
man manager. And Razor is big on his themes. I
heard last night that he likes to When he was
at the Crusaders, he used to theme their campaigns around
highly successful sports teams from other codes. He'd themed around
the Melbourne Storm and the NRL, or the Chicago Bulls

(01:01:29):
in the NBA and get his players to buy in
that way. So he is very much more a big
picture guy, if you like, rather than somebody who's going
to do the actual coaching of you know, somebody who
used to plan his position. Is he going to coach
Peter Larkeye on on the intricacies of being an excellent
number eight for example, see I think he would have

(01:01:52):
a lot to offer in that space. Surely he would.
He was a former All Black, so striking that balance
and having assurances about that would be one thing that
I would I guess like to know. One twenty seven.
It is Chris Hold. They've got to get a breakaway
will come back with you. There is a spear line there.
We'll talk some rugby for five ten minutes and then
we'll we'll move if you want to jump on, Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
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Chris Can.

Speaker 26 (01:02:31):
I mate, yeah, mate, the old review process.

Speaker 27 (01:02:36):
Now.

Speaker 26 (01:02:37):
I was talking to a friend of mine free the
international season and I said to him, if we managed
to defend eden PERHKS record, win the blinterslow and win
three out of the four tests when we go north,
because you know it's a bit of a heart these days,

(01:02:59):
Ireland and England are really good. So I said that
would be my past mark. And it happened like we're
never going to win all games like we thought we
did because we have as a country to alls other
countries how to be excellent with all of our coaches overseas.

(01:03:22):
So now I look at it. You know, we are
the people need to drop our standards instead of thinking
we need to win every single game. All right, we
had a loss, Okay, what can we do from that?
In an England game, there was two or three situations
where if that ball went into touch, we had a

(01:03:45):
line out ten meters away and we could have rumbled
it up the guts and changed the game. So you know,
for me, this was not a bad year. I can
see this team growing and I'm very happy to see it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
Just want to pick up on a couple of things there, Chris.
You say, yeah, that kicked it out and rumbled ford
and had a lineup that might have got another tribe.
But that's the thing. It's those I think the two
touch finders that you're referring to, they should have found touch.
These are the All Blacks. And you talk about dropping
dropping our standards, and I know that, you know, you
can read that phrase a lot of different ways. I

(01:04:23):
don't want to drop my standards on what the All
Blacks represent. I want them to represent excellence. I don't
want to be okay with nine wins out of fourteen
or whatever it is, because you're right, I mean, Eden
Park led us low and three at a four test wins.
It sounds on paper pretty good a past mark, as
you say. So then you look at next year and say, hoy,
what's the pass mark for next year? When we go
to South Africa and play them four times? What is

(01:04:44):
the pass mark there?

Speaker 4 (01:04:45):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
Two wins each?

Speaker 26 (01:04:46):
I'll tell you now. I'll tell you now, two out
of the four tests. That's the pass mark we're going
to South Africa. Anything else is a bonus, But to
win two of them over there, that's the pass mark
for me.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
All right, Chris, Well, yeah, look, we'll no doubt you
and I chat more about this as as time goes on. Sorry, Matte,
you were just about to make another point.

Speaker 26 (01:05:15):
Sorry, yeah, we will because like that is like we
are going there, but we've scrapped the old try nation
and we are going deliberately to blood our guys against
hardened rugby men of all of the provinces of South
Africa and our and our B team that will play.

(01:05:38):
This is great for us a year out from a
World Cup, and it's good for South Africa too because,
let's be honest, if it's not them at that So
we we are going to be training our men. This
this is an exciting next year to watch, but I
expect to win out of the four tests.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
Good stuff, Chris. Always good chatting to you mate. I
appreciate you calling from from the center coast of New
South Wales every time. Always good to chat to you, mate. Yeah,
and I guess there are two ways of looking at
this in terms of what Chris was just saying there.
You can look at it in terms of quantifiables like okay,
if we win the Bletterers like Cup, or retain the
Blazes like Cup. If we don't get beaten at Eden Park,

(01:06:23):
if we win three or four tests on the end
of your tour. These are quantifiable, but they're more outcome things, right,
what about processes? Are we seeing improvement? Are we seeing
enough in terms of the game plan, the style of rugby,
those sorts of things. That's less quantifiable, right, It's more
it's a bit more of a philosophical discussion are we improving?

(01:06:47):
When you just go from tin tax of the data
ten onnes out of thirteen, sometimes it doesn't give you
the full picture. Greg, Hi, mate, there you am Pine.
You're right, good, Greg, very good men.

Speaker 9 (01:06:59):
Yeah, Oh seems like it.

Speaker 14 (01:07:02):
Yeah, I'm glad you pulled Chris up there, because that's
I think he says b this. I mean, like as
far as the standards, that's that's the problem. It's right
to the New Zealand society. And there you talk before
about how you know we can't be expected to win
every game, and then you hear the media talking to
hear the general public talking about it. We say professional rugby,
other teams got better. I don't think the New Zealand

(01:07:23):
public expect that All backs to win every game. But
I think the New Zealand public expect the All Blacks
to attain try and attain excellence every time they go
on the paddock. If we don't, if we don't keep
that attitude, we'll never compete with these countries We've got
more money and bigger populations, and it's creepy in New
Zealand society. I don't know why we're dropping our stands.
We've got to aim for that all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
Greg, you preach into the converted with me, mate, and
I know a lot of our audience will be nodding
their heads because the moment we start accepting and I'm
not saying we do, but the moment we start accepting
even not mediocrity. You know, I'm just hate they're doing okay.
The moment we start accepting that from the all blacks,
what this team has been built on disappears, just starts

(01:08:04):
to evaporate every social every time we accept something subpar
from them, when the legacy of this team has been
built on excellence.

Speaker 14 (01:08:14):
And I don't think they'll actually thinking that way, but
if they keep from the public, from the public, and
you know from the pundits of that, you know they
will start to it will start to creep in there.
And that's what really worries me.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
Good on your great, great point, well made, Call back anytime.
Make good to chet to you, Brent.

Speaker 27 (01:08:30):
High, good day, Jason, are you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
I'm good, Brient, Thanks, how are you today?

Speaker 26 (01:08:36):
Good things?

Speaker 14 (01:08:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 27 (01:08:37):
Touching and mentoring. I think the guys like.

Speaker 21 (01:08:46):
Joe Smith and.

Speaker 27 (01:08:49):
Any other like that should actually be mentoring around the
country instead of having capsule out of paper shufflers and
the head office of Willington. Have those sorts of guys
Smithy and those sorts of guys mentoring the that's the
clubsop or not club sized than any team to pass

(01:09:09):
that knowledge on. Because when you look at the NPC,
A lot of the coaches are very young, and there's
more to coaching than just being a player. And in
taking up coaching you understand what.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
I mean, I do, I do, And look, I think
the value of a guy like Wayne Smith and any
if Wayne Smith walks into any coaching environment immediately there's
benefit because the guy is just so capable of such
a They call him the professor as you know. So yeah,
anything he adds would be of extreme value then, and

(01:09:46):
people people have suggested, sorry, sorry, Brian, people are suggested,
you know that he spends more time in the All Blacks.
I feel as though, once you become the All Blacks coach,
yes you still need a bit of mentoring. Okay, you
still need everyone wants to improve. But I'm not sure
that Razors should need Wayne Smith in the environment to

(01:10:08):
have greater success in that environment. Raiser is the All
Blacks head coach. Yes he should take advice here and
there we need it.

Speaker 27 (01:10:17):
But yeah, yeah, that's all I need to someone with that.
And they say, if you're great, here is that as
he did with Fuzzy and that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
Yeah, no, no, I mean it's a good example bring
you know, Joshmitt was excellent Free and Foster in that environment.
Would Joshmidt and Razor be a good fit? Don't know,
Wouldjom even want to do it, don't know, But yeah,
I sort of feel once you reach that that level, Yes,

(01:10:49):
everybody needs mentors. Everybody needs people who they can confide in,
who they can take advice from, whose opinion means a
lot to them. But yeah, I don't know. I just
sort of feel as though, if you're the All Blacks
head coach, you should have most of the answers by
the time you're ated to that role. Good on your brain,
good to chat, Hello Carl.

Speaker 20 (01:11:11):
Oh hey Pony, your first time callers show.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
Great to have you on the show. Cal I was.

Speaker 20 (01:11:19):
Thinking about, like in terms of what the guest specker
was talking about and making comments about how we've had
a legacy. I think, you know, the bouncing off what
the last caller said about coaching set up, and you
know Brian Lahall he had two very good coaches, and

(01:11:40):
and John Hard and Gris Willy and then we had
we had Graham Henry. That went back to you know,
he surrounded himself with uh, top notch or top class
coaches as well. And I think that's probably where Razor
is lacking because no one knows these other coaches and

(01:12:01):
I think they're not at the same pinnacle or have
the same experience being there, done that international experience, and
I think that's probably what he's missing. And I would
have thought it would have been better to have Jamie
Joseph himself and Tony Brown come on board. And I
think Graham Henry really said a real good foundation of

(01:12:24):
how to do it. And I think with Ian Foster,
at the end of the day, you want to be
a successful World Cup winning coach and surrounding yourself with
equal or better coaches. You know, sometimes we need to
set aside ego so we can get to the goal,
which is to win a World Cup at the end

(01:12:45):
of it. But I think he's gone back to us. Yeah,
he surrounded himself with, in my opinion, not the same
level of coaches as Wayne Smith and Steve Hansen or
even Ian Foster when he surrounded himself with Joel Shuster,

(01:13:06):
and I think that's probably what's missing.

Speaker 27 (01:13:09):
And I would I.

Speaker 20 (01:13:11):
Would really go Ego Sousing and Leers to go down
and probably invite someone like Jamie Joseph. You know, if
there's ultimate goal is to be a world a Rugby
World Cup winning coach. And I probably that's my sentiments
of where the review needs to come around. Rather than

(01:13:32):
putting everything on Razor, he needs to get good coaches
around them, top notch guys.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
Well, first things first, Carlott, I can't believe it's taken
your list long to call the show. I needed you
to call a lot, a lot earlier than nurse and
I hope you'll be a regular from now on. Yeah,
great point, And I guess history will judge, won't it.
The likes of Scott Hanson, Jason Ryan, Tomothy Ellison the
current assistant coaches. But you're right, you look back at
Sir Brian Lahore and Ed Wiley in heart. They don't

(01:14:01):
necessarily go on with one another, but as a team,
I think they were great. The Sir Graham, Henry, Steve Hanson,
Wayne Smith trio, you know, has proven, history has proven
that that was, you know, an utterly tremendous trio. Eventually
in O seven it wasn't, but in twenty eleven it was.
So I guess history will judge what happens around the
likes of Scott Hans and Jason Ryan and Scott robertson himself.

(01:14:21):
But it's a it's a thought for a provoking call, Carl.
Good to hear from you. Eight thanks for picking up
the phone. Seventeen away from two. We'll not get on
the head there, take a break, come back and head
across the Tasman Adam Peacock, our Australian correspondent standing by.

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A feature of the show is a chat to our
Australian correspondent Adam Peacock, who joins us now, Adam, can
we start with cricket? The Second Ashes Test starts on
Thursday at the Gap. Hopefully it will last longer than
two days. Former captain and opener Mark Taylor has said
this week that he reckons Travis Head should continue to

(01:15:05):
open the batting after his match winning knock in Perth,
and that Usmond Khawaja should be dropped from the side.
Have these comments from Mark Taylor been met with general
agreement or not.

Speaker 21 (01:15:17):
Yeah, I think people are before he got a backspasm,
and yes, maybe it was kind of brought upon by
overuse of golf, but everyone's used this an excuse basically
to go, oh, well, look at his record. Well his
record was the same pretty much before the Tests, and

(01:15:37):
I didn't hear too much about his position. So yeah,
feels a bit scapegoatish, even though we won the game
by eight wickets, it was extraordinary Test matchup. But as
we discussed last week. But yeah, I don't subscribe to
that theory wholly, but a lot of people do. And
it's Mark Taylor. He's captain his country, so fair enough,

(01:15:59):
I'd go down the path of Buzzie says he's right
the goal of a sudden again, but he's had a
double backspasm. There's obviously something wrong structurally, So do you
take the risk? That's the bigger question now is can
you risk a guy like that where he's meant to
be opening the batting and he can't. That's the question
I reckon I've got to answer in the next couple
of days.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
And just on Travis' head, I know he obviously, you know,
battered unbelievably in that second innings in Perth and effectively
took the game away from England and won it for Australia.
But is he Is he a logical opening batsman and
Test match cricket. I've always thought him as a middle
lader batsman.

Speaker 21 (01:16:35):
Yeah, he's opened a couple of times over India Sri Lanka.
He can do it. Is he is as effective as
what he is at five?

Speaker 18 (01:16:45):
That's the big question.

Speaker 21 (01:16:47):
I don't think so. I think his track record at
five is a lot better. But we're using that strength
to cover a weakness in the opening spot. Probably if
he ends up going now and I reckon, that's always
lace with danger. So yeah, I'd keep him at five
personally and find someone else to open the batting. But yeah,
maybe as a short term fix. If Kwaja is not

(01:17:09):
good enough and he's done what he's done in that
first Test, well we use him again there, all right?

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
We wait and see what happens when the second tist
gets underway. The Wallabies have finished the year an unhappy
Northern Tour, four straight defeats. Looking back on twenty twenty five,
how should we and how do Australian rugby fans evaluate
the year.

Speaker 21 (01:17:29):
Uh really the halfway mark, the feelings a lot different
to now. I think that the general feeling is that
it just ranked one of ranked disappointment. How it all ended,
how it eventually came to pass that don't win a
game in Europe. Yeah, couldn't get past the All Blacks
again when they felt like they were there for the taking.

(01:17:50):
But yeah, mixed up with a British and Irish Lions
win and a near miss in that series, it must
be said, and a win in South Africa. Yeah, it's
hard to balance it all. But I'd be more on
the disappointed side rather than because you wanted to see
can push on after those those mid season results that
they were going to actually improve and springboard off that.

(01:18:12):
But it definitely felt like they had best plateaued. If
at worst got bad, it went to pot if you
know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
Indeed, all right, we'll wait to see what happens in
twenty twenty six. There to football. The Matilda's far too
good for the football Ferns last night winning five mil
in Gosford, Australia hosting the Women's Asian Cup in March.
Now I do I think you've won this for a while.
Twenty ten I think I read so how big a
target is it for the Matilda's, your Australian women's football team,

(01:18:42):
to win the Asian Cup on home soil early next year?

Speaker 14 (01:18:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (01:18:46):
Big, especially for the players generationally. I think. I think
Sam Kerr was in that squad in twenty ten.

Speaker 18 (01:18:54):
I think that the most of her generation.

Speaker 21 (01:18:58):
David shortly thereafter and having won a trophy since, had
some unbelievable moments and change the face of women's sport
in Australia, not just women's football in Australia. It's been
an extraordinary half decade or more. Yeah, this bit, this
is every chance. I mean, you've got everything in your favor.
You were Australia was the last team left standing from

(01:19:22):
this confederation. Not going to be easy. Japan will probably
go in as favorites, but it's going to be big. Yeah,
they'll sell it out again and every one will catch
Matilda's fever again. So it's brilliant for football.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
And just while we're talking the ramball game, first A
League means Sydney Derby tonight, Kombank Stadium, Sydney FC flying
top of the table, four straight wins, Western Sydney only
getting there first one of the season last weekend. But
I feel like all bits are off on Derby Day,
aren't they.

Speaker 21 (01:19:46):
Yeah, that's the general rule anywhere in the world. Yeah,
I can't say it though. I think Sydney FC handle
Western Sydney Wanderers. That all the talk from Wanders this
week is about how much they get up for this
game and they want to make it physical and not
let their opponent get over them that way. I was

(01:20:09):
to think if Sydney play their football and they tactically
don't get it right Western Sydney Wanders without the ball,
that could be in serious trouble. So who will wait
to see Darby's take away your confidence if you're like
one team or another just by virtue of what we've
mentioned that at the start there. So yeah, probably Sydney's
seen this one. But it's always a great occasion and
can't wait to watch.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
Fantastic Always good catching up, Adam. Thanks for the latest
update on Australian sporting matters. We'll do it again next weekend.

Speaker 21 (01:20:36):
Sounds good, Thanks buddy, No, thank.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
You, Adam. Adam Piccock there out of Australia with with
matters from across the Tasman. Yeah. So that second Ashes
Test starts on Thursday at the Gabba? Is that a
day night? I know which one's the day night Andy?
Is that the one you're going to an Adelaide? Or
is Brisbane? The day night Brisbane and Brisbane? Yeah? Two
day Yes, that's right. It might be a lofe at
my lunch on day two. They might, they might, And

(01:21:00):
I wonder if this sneaks into day three. Day nighties
don't last long. If the sneaks into day three and
Test matches over, they would have over the course of
two Test matches, lost an entire Test match worth of days.
So I just hope, I just hope that when you
get to Adelaide for the Test match that you're taking

(01:21:21):
and that must be the third Test? Is it before Christmas?

Speaker 19 (01:21:23):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
I just hope you get it. Yeah, Like I just
I wish for you a five day Test. Yeah, I'll
take four. At the moment, I'll tell you I'll take four.
It feels optimistic, Yeah, I know, I know. I'm very
pretty bullish on that one. So I'll take four. If
it's three long days, then that's good as well. Test
cricket here in New Zealand this week as well. On Tuesday,

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the first of three Test matches begins at Agloval and
christ Church. Are black Caps up against the West Indies?
Are black Caps Head coach Rob Walter joins us on
the show after midday tomorrow seven away from two New stalksb.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
Analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting world
Weekends fort with Jason Hye call.

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News Talk ZB four to.

Speaker 2 (01:22:06):
Two on weekend Sport will take the news in it
too and then be back into it. Mark great Batch
going to join us after two o'clock. He is now
the President of New Zealand Cricket. What exactly does that
role mean? Is he on the board? Who does he
discuss cricketing matters with most commonly? And while I've got
Mark great Batch quite can to chat to him about
that nineteen ninety two Cricket World Cup when he came

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out at the top of the order and just started
smashing it and also that incredible innings in Perth when
he defied Australia for eleven hours in scoring one hundred
and forty six not out. So Mark great Batch, new
President of New Zealand Cricket. First up after two.

Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on
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Speaker 8 (01:22:49):
It's all on Weekend Sport with Jason Vane on your
home of Sport News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
Hello there, this is Weekend Sport on News Talks NB
until three. Tim Beveridge will take the mic after that
for the Weekend Collector. Before we can hand it over
Mark great Batch shortly to talk about his new role
as President of New Zealand Cricket, what that means and
what it involves, but also want to take a bit
of a wander down memory lane with a guy who
was at the center of a couple of iconic cricket moments,

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the way he just went for it from the start
during the nineteen ninety two Cricket World Cup, which at
that time was quite the foreign concept, and also batting
for eleven hours to defy Australia in Perth in nineteen
eighty nine, one hundred and forty six not out. Yeah,
a couple of iconic cricket moments. Mark gray Batch to

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come on the show. We're also going to talk some
golf this afternoon because the Royal Wellington Golf Club is
going to host the Women's Amateur Asia Pacific Championship in
February next year, bringing together the region's elite women amateur players.
This has been developed by the RNA and Asia Pacific
Golf Confederation and the winner gets the chance to play

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in three of the five women's majors, So it was
quite the carrot there. Nick Shan, Assistant Director Asia Pacific
at the RNA, is going to join us. We'll play
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we'd like to bring you up today with a few
of the things that might have escaped your attention in
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Happy Thanksgiving to those who celebrate, and of course Thanksgiving
in the US means NFL football. The Green Bay pack
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line ghost quickest overall. George Russell, who's never taken a
sprint pole to front Rose before, is in provissional pullman
not for long, because Oscar Pias three by three one
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the start of the sprint race in Cutter A close call,
but the Tall Blacks fell late to the Australian Boomers
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Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
Down a five point last four the Tall Blacks eighty
four to seventy nine and Hobart Game two in Wellington
on Monday night and a great day at the Australian
PGA Championship. The Kiwi golfer Kazuma Kibori and loves the wedges.
It's going a little bit longer this year. One of
one of the shortest players on our tour.

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Breaking down the Hail Mary's and the epic fails weekend
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News Talk zenby Yeah Kwei. Kazuma Kabori was the overnight leader.
He's underway in his third round and two under through
five holes to be twelve under for the tournament. That
has a shock clear of Australian Anthony Quayle, who was
all alone in second place at eleven under. And then
there is a group of one, two, three, four five

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golfers on under. And then we find our way down
to nine under the car where Daniel Hillier is. He's
also two under, threw six holes today, nine under for
the tournament. So a couple of key weis there, Kazumi
Kabori and Daniel Hillier inside the top ten at the
moment during the third round of the BMW Australian PGA Championship.

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We will keep you right up to date with progress.
It's at twelve past two. New Zealand Cricket has a
new president, former international batsman and Black Caps head coach
Mark great Batch has succeeded Leslie Murdoch in the role
on a three year term. Mark great Batch played forty
one Test matches and eighty four One Day Internationals for

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New Zealand. He scored back to back ODI centuries on
the nineteen ninety two of England and pioneered the pinch
hitting role at the top of the one day order
during the nineteen ninety two World Cup, scoring three hundred
and thirteen runs at an average of forty four point
seven to one. During New Zealand's run to the semi
finals in he scored a century on debut against England

(01:29:09):
and an iconic unbeaten one hundred and forty six batting
for eleven hours against Australia in Perth in November of
nineteen eighty nine.

Speaker 29 (01:29:21):
Is there it is down the ground past mid on
you magnificent hundred.

Speaker 30 (01:29:35):
I'm not even showing a lot of emotion, and I
reckon there is and he's doing that.

Speaker 5 (01:29:40):
Is that.

Speaker 30 (01:29:42):
He doesn't feel as other job's completed. He wants to
be here for the rest of the afternoon. Showed very
little emotion. Then, what a great performance by Mark great
Batch four hundred and sixty five minutes, one hundred ninety.

Speaker 29 (01:29:58):
To go off the ground and what a sensational moment
for the New Zealanders. Mark great Batch and Martin Snadden.
Prayer should be out on the ground. This a bit
of its discussion there between Board and Peter McConnell. But
the game is over and it's a draw. What can
happened by Mark great Batch standing ovation in the small crowd?
A wonderful happen. One of the all time great as
far as saving a match. Congratulations to Mark and his

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team as a probatic.

Speaker 17 (01:30:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:30:25):
Mark great Batch also a very handy fieldsman and later
became coach of both Central Districts and New Zealand make
great batches with us on weekend Sport. Mark, congratulations on
this new role. What exactly does the position of New
Zealand Cricket President involve?

Speaker 5 (01:30:40):
Thanks very much, nice to be on your show.

Speaker 4 (01:30:44):
It's it's very much an ambassador's role, you know, promoting
the game positively, communicating with our members, you know, having
good relations and having robust discussions about.

Speaker 5 (01:30:59):
The game and where the game is going to New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (01:31:01):
So you know, I think it's a it's it's an
embassador's role on the board in a non voting capacity,
but part of the board discussions in regard to projects
and things that we think can help New Zealand Cricket
go forward further.

Speaker 2 (01:31:17):
So you sit in on board meetings. Who will you
have the most contact with in this role? Will it
be the board members, the chair of the board, Will
it be Scott Winning, the CEO of New Zealand Cricket.
Who do you think you'll spend most time in conversation with.

Speaker 4 (01:31:32):
Well, it's pretty early days, Jason. I was only just
been appointed. But you know, I think you know, the.

Speaker 5 (01:31:39):
Board members, the chair and the CEO.

Speaker 4 (01:31:43):
I mean, I think it's you know, I'll be getting
around the traps across the board, you know, not just
going to the top stuff, but going watching the boys
and girls that played this great game of ours around
the country and and you know, talking to parents, talking
to coaches. You know, I've got to you know, I've
got to use my experience, Jason, as far as you
know what I did, which was playing and coaching and

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you know, talent ID So you know, I'm really interested
in where that's at. I've had probably ten years out
of the game, you know, without being in there closely,
So it'll be really interesting for me to listen and
learn what's going on. And I'm really interested in how
the organization runs the business of cricket in this modern, modern.

Speaker 5 (01:32:27):
Day of ours.

Speaker 2 (01:32:28):
So during that decade when you weren't so closely involved
in the sport, did you always have a hankering to
get back directly involved in cricket.

Speaker 4 (01:32:38):
Well, I've always been involved in some form. I mean
I ended up full time wise. I wanted to coach
the kids to finish my coaching sort of career, so
I ended up having four or five years at a
school in Auckland.

Speaker 5 (01:32:50):
So you know, I haven't really been out of it.

Speaker 4 (01:32:53):
I do a little bit part time coaching in Queenstown
where I live now, and and so I've always been
around the game. This came out of the blue, to
be fair, and you know, I had a really good
think about because it's actually a three year term, so
it's not a short term. But you know, when you
talk I talk to Leslie Murdoch and a couple of

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other people that have been in the role, and they,
you know, they said, it's it's such a rewarding role,
because you're seeing the game that we all love, you know,
particularly you know, I'm trying to think when I started
playing cricket call part with you know, Long White Socks, and.

Speaker 5 (01:33:31):
When we love the game with Martin Crow and co.

Speaker 4 (01:33:34):
And you know, I think that's what I want to
try and enjoy is going seeing those sorts of games
and just just enjoying it and also listening. You know,
I think you've got to in this role, You've got
to listen and see what the pop of the game is.
You know, there's some really exciting and challenging at the
same things that are happening and will cricket at the moment,

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but you know, a little New Zealand do pretty well
and it would be really important, really important and really
cool of something over the next three or four years
to help grow our game even further.

Speaker 2 (01:34:11):
So what do you perceive to be the biggest issues
and challenges facing the game of cricket in New Zealand
right now?

Speaker 4 (01:34:20):
You know, the calendar, there's only so many days in
the year, and you know, I really put my head
off to our people that work full time in the
game regarding scheduling, and you know, there's a lot of
cricket plays. I got a spreadsheet the other day. I
got it in front of me. Now is the amount
of cricket that has played at all the different levels tournaments,

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you know, tours, et cetera. So you know, I think
that's always challenging, but it's exciting too because there's different formats.
You know, there's the woman's game which has really taken
taken on another leg and the girls. You know, the girls,
you know a world tournament last year in the twenty

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twenty which was just really really cool to see.

Speaker 2 (01:35:05):
Speaking of the TEA twenty game, what is your view
on the current conversation which is going on about the
domestic t twenty game here?

Speaker 4 (01:35:15):
Well, what I can say as it's exciting because you know,
New Zealand Cricket are currently looking at options and there's
a few options on the table and they're quite exciting.

Speaker 5 (01:35:26):
So you know, it's early days.

Speaker 4 (01:35:28):
I think there's a lot of d D to be
done over the next few months, which has been done
currently and I think whatever happens, whatever the decision has
made in the best insur New Zealand cricket, I think
it will be very very exciting.

Speaker 2 (01:35:45):
You come into the role of president at a very
interesting time. There are a few issues going on at
the moment, being reported that there's tension between the board,
the major associations and New Zealand Cricket CEO Scott Winnik
as President Mark, how much do you involve yourself in
those conversations.

Speaker 5 (01:36:05):
Really that I mean, that's not my area. You know,
that's a cheer.

Speaker 4 (01:36:11):
She's in charge of the board and you know, obviously
I might be in conversations, but they're confidential and really,
you know, again it's about trying to have the relations
and the great communication between our stakeholders, you know, which
is made with Association, the Players Association, the DA's Club,

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Cricket across the board. We've got to do as well
as we can and it's challenging at times, even in
a little old New Zealand, you know, the communication when
people get busy with the season and preparation during the winter.
But it's really important part of our organization to you know,

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be really really clear in what we're trying to achieve
and communicate that and work with the stakeholders because they
are the ones that are the foot soldiers on the
ground in their districts in their majors.

Speaker 5 (01:37:09):
So that's really important to have great relationships.

Speaker 2 (01:37:13):
I've been wanting to get you on air for quite
a while actually to talk about a couple of iconic
cricket moments which you were right at the heart of,
so I might take that opportunity now. Actually, that's okay.
The nineteen ninety two World Cup was the first one,
that incredible tournament based here and in Australia where the
young guns, as you were termed back then, took us
on a wonderful run to the semi finals. How do

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you remember the nineteen ninety two Cricket World Cup.

Speaker 4 (01:37:40):
Well, I think the whole country because the tournament was
in Australia and New Zealand and we played all our
games in New Zealand. You know, we started winning, which helps,
but you know, I remember the public and going to
the different regions. It was a real excitement for the
game and for us, you know, in that tournament particularly,

(01:38:01):
so you know that was the helter skelter. Obviously the
eighties with one day cricket started it and we had
a great team there playing competitive cricket against some effects
in the world. And then the ninety two World Cup,
I think took it again, so you know, I mean
it was a lot of fun.

Speaker 5 (01:38:19):
It was six eight weeks. I mean it ended tragically.

Speaker 4 (01:38:22):
Like sport does sometimes when we lost in the semi
to Pokistan. But you know, I think there was a
real excitement about the game. And you know, I mean
out our guys and girls are competing on the world
stage now in different formats and world tournaments and doing
us proud.

Speaker 2 (01:38:41):
I think if we think back to the way that
One day cricket was played in the early nineties, it
was still very much certainly at the top of the order.
Anyway you'd play yourself in. You might get through the
first ten overs and big thirty without loss and be
quite happy with that. But of course you came in
and started pinch hitting at the top of the order,
which had very rarely been seen before, particularly by New

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Zealand batsman. Was that an intentional decision? Before the tournament started, Mark,
you and Martin Krod maybe Warren least the coach decided
that you'd just go for it from ball one.

Speaker 4 (01:39:14):
Well, I think from memory, which is a long time ago,
so it's probably clouded. But I was playing so badly
they just said to me go out and play freely
and so they almost gave me, you know, a.

Speaker 5 (01:39:26):
Free sort of script.

Speaker 4 (01:39:28):
And and myself and Rod Latham, who played positively in
that tournament too, is that we did start to try
and play a bit differently, to just change the you know,
the way the game was played and being a bit
more aggressive. Now now it looks like pretty sedately compared
to the modern game, but you know, scoring at six

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or seven and over back then from two or three
was quite a difference.

Speaker 5 (01:39:55):
So you know that that was the transition.

Speaker 4 (01:39:59):
And then the Slankins and next World Cup took it
to another level with their openess.

Speaker 2 (01:40:05):
And the other iconic moment, and of course is the
unbeaten one hundred and forty six in Perth to save
the Test against Australia in November nineteen eighty nine. In fact,
I've had it pointed out to me that is exactly
thirty six years ago today that you played that innings,
or certainly the second day of it, six hundred and
fifty five minutes you're out there, four hundred and eighty

(01:40:25):
five deliveries you faced. When you think back to that innings,
what stands out most about.

Speaker 5 (01:40:31):
It, Well, it's interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:40:33):
I've just come back from Australia and I had the
honor of spending some time with Alan Border, the great
Alan Border, who was captain in that team, and I
do remember him getting quite grumpy at the end of it.

Speaker 5 (01:40:45):
Because he couldn't give me out. His bowlers couldn't get
me out.

Speaker 4 (01:40:49):
And even a few days ago he said, you were
so boring in that Test, but he said it was
amazing defense of display of Test cricket.

Speaker 5 (01:41:00):
And you know that we were without Richard Hadley who
was injured.

Speaker 4 (01:41:05):
Unfortunately, Andrew Jones was injured and John Bracewa was injured,
so we went into that Test without three of our
key players and to come out of that with a
draw was pretty remarkable really, and you know, obviously it
was probably you know, fortunately it was my highlight of
my Test career because you know, I played at a

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high level for that game over a long period of time.
I think I spent twenty nine out of thirty hours
on the field. Because Australia got five fifty. I think
Boone got two hundred, so we felt it a long
time and then we bat it then followed on and
I think I only had an hour in both of.

Speaker 5 (01:41:46):
Those innings is where I actually wasn't on the park,
so you know it was.

Speaker 4 (01:41:53):
You know, it's a great memory and you know the
little marts need denin and bat it for three hours
at the end of that test and he got absolute
battered by their quick bowls and he didn't flinch. I
remember Chris Ken's playing his first Test. He bet it
for a couple of hours with me. So it was
a real team effort to try and you say, the

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Test and obviously winning test matches what it's all about.
But sometimes you know, it can be as exciting watching
a Test like that when it's you know, you know,
test cricket is that's what it's about. You know, it's
a test to your character, test to your skill, test physically.

Speaker 5 (01:42:34):
And all I can hope is that.

Speaker 4 (01:42:35):
Brisbane in a couple of weeks goes longer than two
days exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:42:40):
Yes, it from one extreme to the other. The fact
we're still talking about you're wunning thirty six years on,
I think shows that it has stood the test of time.
Part in the punt mark. Great to catch up to
reminisce a bit, but also to chat about your new
role as president of New Zealand Cricket. Thanks for taking
the time this afternoon. Look forward to staying in touch
over the next little while.

Speaker 5 (01:42:57):
Thank you take care Jason, now you.

Speaker 2 (01:42:59):
Take care too, Mark. Thanks indeed, Mark great Batch there
one of our former greats and now presidents of New
Zealand Cricket. Just freshly elected on a three year term
two twenty seven. Speaking of cricket, just updating you on
day four run chases in the Plunket Shield. All three
of these games are into their final day with run

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chases happening at the Basement Reserve. CD are one eighty
four for one, needing another one hundred and seventy seven
runs to beat Wellington. Brad Schmullien is on ninety one,
not out in the run chase. Curtis f there on
seventy three, so ced going along very nicely. After a

(01:43:40):
rather sporting declaration from Tom Blundell this morning, after quite
a bit of this game's been washed out, so CD
one eighty four for one, with another one hundred and
seventy seven needed. Otago need a further two hundred and
nineteen runs to beat Canterbury. They are one sixty four
for six, one sixty four for six at the University

(01:44:00):
of Otago Oval in Dunedin, so Canterbury looked to have
the upper hand there and in the third of the match,
which is taking place at Bay Oval in Mount Monganui.
This is quite an incredible scorecard. Northern Districts two hundred
and seventy two without loss, two hundred and seventy two
without loss. They need another two hundred and thirty eight,

(01:44:22):
so they got to get over five hundred to win
the game. But Jet revals one hundred and twenty nine
not out and Henry Cooper one hundred and twenty five
not out two hundred and they've just lost a wicket
just as I came across. We'll bring you news of
that in a sec. But yeah, those run chases are
ongoing around the country. Well are we two twenty eight.
Let's take a break, come back and we'll talk some golf.

(01:44:45):
The one of the biggest amateur tournament, one of the
biggest women's amateur tournaments in the world, is coming to
the Royal Wellington Golf Club in February. We'll find out
more in just a moment to the Voice.

Speaker 1 (01:44:56):
Of Sport on your home of Sport Weekend Sport with
Jason Vane and GJ. Gunner homes New Zealand's most trusted
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Speaker 2 (01:45:04):
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Royal Wellington Golf Club will host the eighth edition of

(01:45:27):
the Women's Amateur Asia Pacific Golf Championship from February twelve
to fifteen next year, bringing together the region's elite women
amateur golfers competing for starts in three major championships. Developed
by the RNA and Asia Pacific Golf Confederation, the prestigious
championship provides a pathway to the international stage. The champion

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earns life changing opportunities to play in the AIG Women's Open,
the Amundi Evion Championship and the Chevron Championship. Previous Women's
Amateur Asia Pacific participants have also gone on to win
five major Championships in just the last eight years. Beyond
the elite competition, the Championship continues its vision to support

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the development of world class players in countries throughout the
region via the Women's Amateur Asia Pacific Academy. This was
launched this year. It provides players from emerging golfing nations
with access to world class coaching opportunities more regularly available
to players from larger golfing nations. The second Academy has
taken place at Royal Wellington this week and has focused

(01:46:34):
on the Pacific Islands region. Invited players from American Samoa, Fiji, Guam, Papua,
New Guinea, Samoa, Solomon Islands and Tonga and there's a
New Zealand contingent as well. Let's bring in Nick Shan,
Assistant Director Asia Pacific at the R and A. Can
we start with the Women's Amateur Asia Pacific Academy. Nick,

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what of these players who have come from all over
the Pacific experienced in the past week or so?

Speaker 31 (01:47:01):
Well, Jason, They've experienced a fantastic week with experts in
the field of sports science, track man data analysis, sports psychology,
swing techniques, a short game and strength and conditioning. So
in a week that they've been fortunate enough to spend
time at roy Wellington, which is the venue for the championship.

(01:47:24):
It's been an eye opening experience for them to firstly
receive all of that information in a week preparing them
to succeed during a tough championship week.

Speaker 2 (01:47:35):
Indeed, I mean eye opening as you say, but it
could also be life change and could you could you
see in some of these young players, you know, these
these light bulbs going off with the with the amazing
experiences that they would never I'm sure have had before.

Speaker 31 (01:47:50):
Yes, those experiences in terms of the exemptions into the
major championships that Amundy, every Young Championship, that IG Women's Open,
the year run Championship in America, these are experiences many
can't buy, the exemptions which professionals would love to have.
So for any budding young elite amateur, it's a fantastic

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prize which they really just dream off. So actually playing
for a first prize, to have three exemptions into three
of the five professional Ladies major championships is a fantastic
goal to train and date.

Speaker 2 (01:48:27):
I want to talk more about the tournament in a moment,
but in a wider sense, Nick how big a goal
is building a long term pathway for women's golf across
the Asia Pacific region.

Speaker 31 (01:48:39):
It's a tall task, chasing because Asia Pacific is a
mathive region and trying to accommodate players from developing countries
to gain that experience within the academy setting, gaining that
knowledge from all of the experts. It's a long tour order,

(01:49:00):
but we've started it and we're going to expand it
across Asia Pacific, trying to give as many players from
developing countries that opportunity.

Speaker 2 (01:49:08):
And I guess what it also does is when those
players do go back home, they take with them some
knowledge as well, don't they from the week they've just had.
Is that part of it as well? That you'd expect
them to benefit others in their countries once they get back.

Speaker 31 (01:49:23):
Most definitely, we want them to share that knowledge with
either younger budding players that are developing in their country.
And if the players who've come out of the academy
become those players, those store wards which the younger players
can look up to in terms of achievements or simply
just being able to participate in the Woman's Amitas Pacific.

(01:49:46):
That's an achievement in its own which would like to
profile for younger players in the developing countries.

Speaker 2 (01:49:52):
Yeah, well, the academy is a great part of this.
Let's talk about the tournament now in February next year,
very much looking forward to having this at Royal Wellington
Golf Club, developed by the RNA and Asia Pacific Golf Confederation.
Of course, tell us about this tournament. How big do
you exp picked it to be?

Speaker 31 (01:50:09):
Well, Jason, it's the most televised female amateur tournament in
the world. It's the only championship which has three exemptions
into three professional major championships, and it's a very young championship.

Speaker 5 (01:50:27):
We've had seven editions.

Speaker 31 (01:50:28):
We're going to be staging the eighth at roy Wellington,
a classic parkland layout. We were very thankful for the
support from New Zealand Major Events and the Wellington Council
as well as Golf New Zealand and we look forward
to staging a special event during that week in February.

Speaker 2 (01:50:48):
Will you have to make many adjustments to the course.
Are there are there alterations that are needed or is
the course pretty much good to go as it is.

Speaker 31 (01:50:57):
It's really good to go as it is. It's been
well kept and maintained by John Sprague's Sam and his team,
overseen by their committee. It's just a parkland layout. We'll
have the greens running at its probably about ten on
the stump meter, and at that time of the year

(01:51:18):
it will already be a test for all the players.

Speaker 2 (01:51:20):
Yeah, I'll look at some I know roy Wellington it's
a terrific place to spend a day playing golf, let
alone watching some of the top amateurs from around the world.
So I'll say here, I mean you've got ambitious targets
for attendants, hoping to get ten thousand through the gates
across the four days.

Speaker 31 (01:51:37):
Yes, we're going to have a Royal Village supported by
roy Wellington Golf, New Zealand. There's going to be a
lot of fun games and.

Speaker 5 (01:51:46):
Activities as well as food trucks.

Speaker 31 (01:51:49):
So we welcome golfers, nine golfers, juniors, adults to come.
There will be sessions getting people who don't know golf
putting a club in their hand and really getting them
excited about trying the sport out. Everybody's most welcome to
come to Royal Wellington into Upper Hut during those during

(01:52:11):
that championship week, I know you'll.

Speaker 2 (01:52:13):
Get a lot of interest in that. February twelve through fifteen,
the eighth edition of the Women's Amateur Asia Pacific Championship. Nick,
thanks for joining us with an update. Look forward to
catching up again when the new year rolls around.

Speaker 5 (01:52:25):
Appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:52:25):
Thank you, Jason, No, thank you Nick. Nick Shan their
assistant director Asia Pacific at the RNA. For those in
the Wellington region, that's a four day period to put
a ring around for the golf fans. Twelve to fifteen
February next year, the Royal Wellington Golf Club hosting the
eighth edition of the Women's Amateur Asia Pacific Championship. Just
updating you from the Australian PGA Championship. Kazumi Kabori is

(01:52:49):
now joint leader. Anthony Quayle has moved to twelve under.
He is three under today through six holes. I've just
had sent three to me on text that Steve Williams
is on Anthony Quayle's bag. So it's a really handy caddy,
isn't it. Kazumikabori is still in the share of the lead.
He is two under three six holes and twelve under
for the tournament. Daniel Hilly remains at nine under the

(01:53:10):
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please bet responsibly. Just on fourteen away from three, we
have reached the season finale, the final event of sal GP.
It's inn Abudbi this weekend to unpack it all for
us and let us know the Black Foils chance. It's
great to welcome and senior sports journalist specializing in a
number of sports including sailing at the New Zealand Herald,

(01:56:57):
Chris Reeve. Chris your headline this morning. Peter Berlin cleared
to return for the Black Foils after his finger injury.
Was he ever in serious doubt for the final regatta
of the season. Yeah, it's a good question.

Speaker 32 (01:57:11):
I don't think so. I think the way he was
talking about it just being a cut, I mean that
the bandage he had on it was pretty thick. I
think that's where a lot of the sort of doubt
came in, you know just how serious it was, but
he sounded pretty confident that he'd get back on the boat,
and yeah, that's been the case.

Speaker 2 (01:57:29):
Fantastic. So I love Mackay. I think was standing by.
Wasn't she to take his place if he hadn't been
able to get there? I mean, I know we're speaking
hypothetically here, but how much of a blow would it
have been to have been without Peter Burling?

Speaker 32 (01:57:42):
I mean, lives prepared for that role. Pete said it
during the week that you know they have prepared for
that situation. And in the case of a final though,
it is a little bit more pressure, isn't it. Abu
Dhabi's not really known for high winds, so that probably
would have worked in their favor, but it still would
have been not the ideal way to go into sort

(01:58:03):
of the biggest event of the year.

Speaker 2 (01:58:05):
All's well, that ends well as far as his participation
is concerned. So tell us the format for the weekend,
because there's a one race shootout for the two million
dollar US prize, but there is still fleet racing first,
Is that right? Yeah?

Speaker 32 (01:58:19):
So this is season five and I still haven't figured
out the most succinct way to explain the final event
of the Sales GP season. So normally they would have
five to seven fleet races and then at the end
of the event would have sort of the best three
teams from the event going and compete for the title.
But because this one ends with the Grand Final with

(01:58:40):
the three best teams over the season, they just kind
of end the main regatta part itself after the fleet racing,
so they award an Abu Dhabi Regatta winner. They that
team gets sort of the same prize money that you
get from any other normal regatta, and then they just
finish it off with the best three teams from throughout
the season competing for the two million US.

Speaker 2 (01:59:02):
I think you found a fairly succinct way of summarizing
an I don't know, I don't know, I understand what
you're talking about. So in that regard, then the Black
foils on the overall season table. Is there any danger
they will miss the three boat Grand Final?

Speaker 32 (01:59:20):
Yeah, there is a chance. I don't think they will
because they're very good in the light winds and have
been very good in the Middle East over the last
few years. They need to finish sixth or better through
fleet racing to basically take the chance of missing out
out of the picture. So Spain currently fourth there I think,
four points outside the top three and six points behind

(01:59:43):
the Black Foils, I believe, so like a lot would
have to go right for Spain to beat either Australia,
New Zealand or Great Britain out of a spot in
that top three. But hey, stranger things have happened, Like
I didn't expect Spain to win it last year, but
that happens.

Speaker 2 (01:59:58):
Yea, they never and the one ray shootout. It's just
absolute jeopardy, isn't it, Because having the Black Foils been
in the final the line last two years without winning one,
yep they have.

Speaker 32 (02:00:10):
Indeed, this is the first year that the Grand Final
hasn't been contested in San Francisco, which is a huge
difference because the conditions are just completely different. So, like
I said, Abu Dhabi is not known for having sort
of high winds during racing, whereas San Francisco can be
very puffy. You can get high patches, low patches and

(02:00:31):
everything in between. So that makes the strategists role and
I guess the driver's decisions a lot more.

Speaker 2 (02:00:39):
I guess on the minute.

Speaker 32 (02:00:40):
Whereas with the light wind venues it's sort of a
lot more wiggle room I mean that we've seen in
the past. So yeah, it'll be a very interesting final,
very interesting final.

Speaker 2 (02:00:52):
And it's just like one and done, right, I mean
we're used to these regattas and we've been to watch
sal GP and Auckland and all these regattas around the world,
and there's all the fleet races before the final, but
this is just like one and done. For all of
that money and all of that glory.

Speaker 32 (02:01:08):
Yeah, you can't make a mistake, really can you. You
can be the best team all season like the Blackfoils
were last year, and get one or two things wrong
in that one race and watch it all slip away
from you. So it's all about being perfect on the day.
Let's hope that they are exactly that. Chris, thanks for
your for your update, your succinct analysis, Mate, really appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (02:01:28):
We'll look forward to reading your reports in the inn
Zed Herald. Always a pleasure, mate, got on your mate.
Thanks Chris Reef joining us in studio read him at
inzherld dot co dot NZ. As we reach the final
event of the sale GP season in Abu Dhabi. This
weekend nighte Away from three, News TALKSB.

Speaker 1 (02:01:45):
When it's down to the line, you made a call
on Weekends Sports with Jason Hine, News Talks.

Speaker 2 (02:01:53):
B six to three. That's pretty much us for today.
Just quick look ahead tomorrow, great line up, A guess
for you. Rob Walter, Blackcaps coach, can lead us off
after midday tomorrow as we talk Test cricket, West Indies
and black Caps going at each other for three Test
match in December. We'll talk about that and Michael Campbell
is our guest after one o'clock and extended chat. Twenty
years after he became a US Open champion. There's a

(02:02:16):
documentary on Sky which premiere is tomorrow night, all about
that and about Michael Campbell. It's called Dare to Be Different.
Looking forward to chatting to Michael Campbell tomorrow after one o'clock.
Thanks for listening in. Huge thanks to Annie McDonald for
producing an exit song today. If you would, Yeah, Piney,
I probably shouldn't really be doing this, but he runs
like jump the gun a little bit the Christmas trees

(02:02:36):
up outside of work. But at the same time, this
song is actually a song that I think transcends just
being Christmas. I think it's just objectively a fantastic, fantastic song.
So I've gone with the fairy Tale of New York
to finish us off today. I'll allow it. The Poke's
coming to New Zealand soon, I understand. I didn't even
know that there we go. There that's linked back to
being something topical. Not the original lineup, of course, but

(02:02:59):
they are coming anyway. See tomorrow, folks.

Speaker 8 (02:03:07):
Churn make it up about.

Speaker 12 (02:03:10):
My dreams around.

Speaker 33 (02:03:11):
Say and my Bady Christmas wait by and the mountains
are riding out.

Speaker 8 (02:03:22):
For Christmas Time.

Speaker 1 (02:04:28):
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