Dave Rennie is set to take over as the next All Blacks coach, after weeks of speculation.
This comes three years after former Rugby Australia chair Hamish McLennan sacked Rennie as Wallabies coach and replaced him with Eddie Jones just before the 2023 Rugby World Cup.
McLennan joined Piney to discuss the news - and look ahead to the next World Cup.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Dave Rennie's rugby journey has taken a remarkable turn. Just
over three years after being sacked as Wallaby's coach, he
has now been appointed head coach of the All Blacks.
Dave Rennie dismissed by Rugby Australia in early twenty twenty three,
a decision made while Hamish mcclennan was chair of Rugby Australia.
(00:43):
Hamish mcclennan joins US now amos. What was your reaction
when you heard that Dave Rennie had this week been
appointed new head coach of the All Blacks.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
I've always thought David was a good coach. I think
it's the right decision a David Kirk and as tough
as it is and it's such a brutal game and
you know, I've had my issues. Was right to cut
Razor and I feel sorry for him because he's a
good guy and a good coach. But I think when
(01:14):
I reflect on the decision. Something had to be done
with the Abs and I still know a lot of
people in New Zealand rugby and the team wasn't playing
to its full potential. And look, he might have had
a master plan and it's unfair. And I had a
master plan and never got to follow through on it.
But you've just got to make calls in life. And
(01:38):
I think Dave learned a lot playing with the Wallabies.
I think there's a big difference between the psychology of
New Zealanders and Australians, and we have a different sporting
market here and so you know, in a perverse kind
of way, I think this really does help the ads.
(02:00):
He never lost the change room and he stated that
perfectly when he coached the Wallabies. And I think Raiser
Didler's the the change and so you're going to have
a very interesting and new dynamic. So I think his
challenge will be how do I rally the troops in
(02:20):
a very short period of time. And I kind of
look at it and think, well, put in the final
ast side, which will be spectacular. I'm not I'm not
a fan of the draw I do, to be honest
with you, but I think the game of the tournament
will actually be if if the ABS play South Africa
in the quarterfinals, And so I think I think David
(02:45):
is a better choice. And as I said, he's coaching
an international team, and you know, there's there's a big
part of me that feels sorry for what happened for
him out here. But you know, we all make calls
and maybe in a serendipitous, funny way, this is his
colleague because New Zealand is different. I know he's got
a lot of coaching hands there and he'll get the
(03:09):
players will get behind him, and I think he needed
to do something. So you know, if I if I
was a key we I'd be feeling better about the decision.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Do you still stand by the call to replace Dave
Rennie with Eddie Jones three years ago?
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Yeah? I do. I mean, you know, the simple fact
is that, I mean, any our problems are structural and
provincial and I think you know, in Sydney alone, they
say it's the most competitive winter sports market. So we've
got soccer AFL NRL that are just raiding our players
and rugby union and I used to say to our provinces,
(03:48):
there's a reason why we haven't won a World Cup
or Bloods like we have. We actually, if we could
garner the right players could be much more competitive and
we'd be winning blood aslos. So I just felt that
it was too slow. Our structure hasn't change in one
hundred and twenty years, and Eddie had intimate knowledge of
(04:09):
our pathways and the player group and I think and
I think he knew that more than Dave, to be
honest with you. So you know, he had a little
hand in keeping Max Jorgenson in the game as a
casing point. He helped with Joseph Sowali. So Mark Alexander,
who's the chairman of South African Rugby, so under his
watch he's won two World Carbs said that. I mean
(04:31):
his view, so not an Australian view, was that Any
was one of the best coaches in the world and
without him when he was coaching as an assistant coach
or a technical coach with the Springboks, he said word
for word, they wouldn't have won it without Any. So
on paper, you know, when he got sacked by England,
he had a seventy four percent win rate versus Dave
(04:55):
was thirty eight percent for us and we had a
terrible Spring tour, so like I hate making these, you know,
or being part of these calls. It was a board
decision as well. I mean none ms board decision at
RA Yes, I was the chairman, but we debated it
a lot and there was a sense that we needed
to change it up. And the main reason, ironically for
(05:17):
that is that we thought we'd get kicked out of
the balls. So whether that was the right or the
wrong decision, we we stand by it. And Eddie's got
three separate teams to finals of World Cups, so you go,
seventy four percent with England after seven years is not
a bad track record. And he's got three different three
(05:38):
different teams to finals of World Cups, which is pretty impressive.
So you know, I don't wish Ill will on anyone.
And so I think I think this is the shot
in the arm that the kiwis needed, because I was actually,
you know, despite what people think, really concerned about how
you guys were playing. And I think there was a
(05:59):
lack of too much experimentation and a lack of a
lack of structure in terms of how you were playing.
And I think Dave will do a good job, and
I think New Zealand's is very different from Australia. I
think we are we're made differently. I think outsiders looking
and say you're so close together as countries, you must
(06:20):
be the same. I think we think differently, we motivate differently,
and I'm not saying either's better or worse. We're just
we're like the best of brothers, but we also are different.
And it's like children in the family and I you know,
we'll say to the day I die, I love I
love New Zealanders, but Ozzie's a different and I don't
(06:42):
think I don't think Dave really understood that, and I
don't think he really tapped into what really motivates us.
So I think, I think you'll do a good job,
and I think you know, you guys, the clock's ticking.
There are a lot of Kiwis who live in Australia
who will come over to Australia for the World Cup,
so you'll have you'll probably have more Kiwi's than Australian's.
(07:04):
Bloody watching the games, I think you're into the real shot,
but you know it's it's a it's an interesting drawer.
I look at the South Africans that in my opinion,
they've still got They've got they've got enough enough debt
to have two teams that can win the World Cup.
In my opinion, you guys don't have as much debt,
(07:28):
but you've got more depth, which will benefit Dave and
so so I think it's a risk worth taking. But
life is full of risks. Sometimes it works out, sometimes
it doesn't. But I think he needed to do something.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
There's a couple of your comments I already want to
pick up on Hamish. The first is about Dave. Were
any not understanding the Australians of the job. Do you
think Joe Schmidt understood it better.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
I've never met Joe, but I suspect he didn't either.
I mean he's he's ironically. But the thing is that
like Barren Gatlin and others a fabulous coach like I'm
not not in any way disregarding them, but you know,
to get a team to win what will be what
(08:18):
I think eight games now with a home World Cup,
you need depth. And I think statistics prove if you've
got a some someone from your home country who's the
lead coach set statistics shows that that works. So you've
got you know, rasci in you know South Africa and
(08:41):
you've got both Wick in England and I just think
that it does make a different I think, I think
I think a different s I should say. I think
it just will give everyone, including the players, and gave
that extra motivation. And whilst he was brought born in
the Cook Islands, I think he'll be able to pull
(09:01):
the various sections of your team together better. He was
obviously very good at the Chiefs, but it didn't work
in Australia. I mean we and say we make we
make calls and so you know I paid the price
for it. But life goes on, and you know, I
think I think he'll do better than Rais. Will that
(09:22):
be enough to get him too to beat South Africa
or to win the World Cup? Who knows. I think
you'll have a lot of fans that will sort of
gee your team on, but you're you know, you're running
out of time, so you don't have a lot of
time to get the team really and I think I
think you'll have a tough tour in South Africa. But
(09:42):
then again, you know, Joe Shmik got the Wallabies to
win at Ellis Park which was phenomenal, So we'll see what.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Leads you to think that Raja lost the dressing room.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Well, I've heard that from really good sources and it's
hard to pin it on any one player, and I
think it's really unfair to Asiety, Sada or anything like that.
But I just heard that from sources that I trust her,
you know, embedded in your system. So I won't out them.
(10:16):
But you know that's I think. I think he positioned
himself as a culture coach, and I think that's sort
of one of the big differences when you look at
I think Australians players need more hands on sort of
coaching because because I think your players. But by the
time I heard a fact, I think this is true,
by the time you pull pull on all blacks jersey,
(10:38):
you played twice twice the amount of games at that
high level than the average Wallaby. And so you know,
I want I want the Wallabies to win. I mean,
we worked so hard to get that home World Cup
and you know they're my team and they always will be.
But if you want me to comment about New Zealand,
I think times against you. I think you know Dave's
(11:01):
a solid choice. There wasn't a lot of choice out there.
I think he would have learned a lot because he's
competitive at that international level and he knows it's tough.
But I think he competitions South Africa and I think
RAS has done an amazing job of building depth and
I don't think the Abs have got the depth that
you used to have.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Oh look, I don't think you'll get an argument from
anybody about that on the side of the Tasman. If
Dave Ronnie does win the World Cup with the All
Blacks in eighteen nineteen months from now, do you think
you'll look back and think you made the wrong call
or of the two things just different in the way
that you've outlined. And that Dave Ronnie wasn't the right
coach for the Wallabies, that doesn't mean he can't be
(11:43):
the right coach for the All Blacks.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Well, what I'm actually saying is that he could. He
could have been a poor choice for the He could
have been the wrong choice. I should say, I don't
want to be disrespectful. He could have been the wrong
choice or a poor choice for the Wallabies and the
right choice for the All Blacks, because I think the
psychology and the understanding of the teams, the players in
(12:09):
the pathways is different and I think if it's you know,
next to being a PM. The head coach of the
ADS is hugely prestigious and I think Dave is an
authentic good person and so if you read any of
my commentary, he was he was a very decent man
and I think that's a great starting point for any team.
(12:32):
But it was, you know, yes I was chairman, but
it was it was a bored decision and everyone agreed
that we felt that we need to make a change now.
The reality is Australian rugby has been in the doldrums
for twenty years and we're trying to fix it. So
you know, I said, I look at it and I go,
there is a serendipity of this, like you could. I
think I think the the All Blacks definitely could pull
(12:55):
it off. I think they're up against it against the
South Africans. I mean the South Africans were trait were
planning for the twenty seven World Cup a week after
they returned home from twenty three. So so do I
look back on it, I would not have I would
not have changed the decision because there was so much
(13:18):
tied to us trying to get it right and I
think we gave Dave a really fair go. I don't
think we were bad people. I don't think other than
I mean, Kiwis take great offense to you know, any
of their coaches who get set of sacked. But the
reality is we're at thirty eight percent. We lost to
Italy for the first time ever. There were some calls
(13:41):
there that I think, you know, if you asked him,
you know, would he have made different would he have
made different calls? And so I just can't spend my
life looking in the rear a few mirror you know.
I just think, hopefully, hopefully, you know, by the time
you know all said and done, some people think, you know,
(14:03):
I made a good contribution in certain ways. I know
a lot of people disagree with certain certain things. But
you know, when I took over in twenty twenty, we
had no media rite deal, no CEO, and we lost
twenty five million dollars. So the very fact that the
game's alive and I stepped in and I said, of
(14:25):
did my best. And so everyone makes mistakes, but I
don't don't. I don't. I don't regret making that call.
And it was it was a tough call because we
were worried about getting the board, was worried about getting
kicked out of the pools, which ironically that's what happened.
We got kicked out of the polls. So there you.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Go, just a Finnish famoush you mentioned. I mean, we
all agree South Africa overwhelming favorite to win it again
back end of next year. Who was better placed out
of the All Blacks and the Wallabies to challenge them
most sternly next year? Oh the AADs, even on Australian soil.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yeah. Well, interestingly, the South Africans used to say to me,
there was that famous test where Marika we played in
Adelaide and Merika Corrabell Betty did that amazing tackle. The
South Africans haven't enjoyed a brilliant run in the past
in Australia, but they're formidable, especially in World Cups, and
(15:34):
so their depth is almost frightening in terms of where
they're out at the moment. But you know, I think
you've got to kind of look at the data and
you go, the abs over a long period of time
in big tournaments did very well. You look at Paris,
I mean, you guys were it could have you know,
(15:55):
there there was one penalty call that could have gone
either way. I mean I was sitting with World Rugby
people who were going, god, I thought that was a
New Zealand penalty, not a South African one. So the
margins are so fine, and so I worry that our
forwards we don't have enough depth in the forwards. We've
got some good players, but you know, they're pretty brutal
(16:15):
games and if you get a few injuries, you know,
it may make it tough. But I want the Wallabies
to beat you and South Africa, so anything can happen.
And that's the beauty of where we're at. And then
I think, you know, England, up until about six weeks ago,
we're looking like they were building momentum, and then the
(16:36):
French ship got a monster pack and then populated amongst
a lot of those teams and bloody Australians that have
left Australian rugby and working. We've got two people playing
for Ireland. Emmanuel Mofo, who's seven foot one is from
Western Sydney. If you look him up online, he's got
a thicker accent than I do. It's bizarre.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Alwoyst so interesting chatting to your homis thanks for being
so generously the time. Really enjoyed the chat as always,
cheers and good no good luck to you too. Hamish mcclennan,
their former chair of Rugby Australia. Plenty to react to
there if you would like to of eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty nine, two ninety two on texts, a
(17:18):
lot of good texts coming in as well. Hamish mcclennan said,
They're one thing that really caught my attention. He said,
David and he didn't fully understand the Australians of the
Wallabies job, and that the psychology of New Zealand and
Australian rugby players is very different. Is that true? Are
(17:41):
key we and Australian sports people quite different? It is true,
isn't it? On the whole We are different from Australian
sports people when it comes to our attitudes to top
level sport. Now neither is right or wrong, but we
(18:02):
are different. We often hear, don't we how hard nos
Australians are, how driven they are to win regardless of
what it takes, and that by comparison, we are perhaps
sometimes a little bit too nice. We don't put the
foot on the throat. We don't put winning ahead of
everything else, and that can sometimes cost us. I hear
(18:23):
this a lot with cricket in particular, how hard nosed
the Australians are compared to compared to our books. But
I'm happy that we're different, very happy. Australia haven't had
the Bledisloe Cup since two thousand and three.
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Dave Rennie's rugby journey has taken a remarkable turn. Just
over three years after being sacked as Wallaby's coach, he
has now been appointed head coach of the All Blacks.
Dave Rennie dismissed by Rugby Australia in early twenty twenty three,
a decision made while Hamish mcclennan was chair of Rugby Australia.
(00:43):
Hamish mcclennan joins US now amos. What was your reaction
when you heard that Dave Rennie had this week been
appointed new head coach of the All Blacks.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
I've always thought David was a good coach. I think
it's the right decision a David Kirk and as tough
as it is and it's such a brutal game and
you know, I've had my issues. Was right to cut
Razor and I feel sorry for him because he's a
good guy and a good coach. But I think when
(01:14):
I reflect on the decision. Something had to be done
with the Abs and I still know a lot of
people in New Zealand rugby and the team wasn't playing
to its full potential. And look, he might have had
a master plan and it's unfair. And I had a
master plan and never got to follow through on it.
But you've just got to make calls in life. And
(01:38):
I think Dave learned a lot playing with the Wallabies.
I think there's a big difference between the psychology of
New Zealanders and Australians, and we have a different sporting
market here and so you know, in a perverse kind
of way, I think this really does help the ads.
(02:00):
He never lost the change room and he stated that
perfectly when he coached the Wallabies. And I think Raiser
Didler's the the change and so you're going to have
a very interesting and new dynamic. So I think his
challenge will be how do I rally the troops in
(02:20):
a very short period of time. And I kind of
look at it and think, well, put in the final
ast side, which will be spectacular. I'm not I'm not
a fan of the draw I do, to be honest
with you, but I think the game of the tournament
will actually be if if the ABS play South Africa
in the quarterfinals, And so I think I think David
(02:45):
is a better choice. And as I said, he's coaching
an international team, and you know, there's there's a big
part of me that feels sorry for what happened for
him out here. But you know, we all make calls
and maybe in a serendipitous, funny way, this is his
colleague because New Zealand is different. I know he's got
a lot of coaching hands there and he'll get the
(03:09):
players will get behind him, and I think he needed
to do something. So you know, if I if I
was a key we I'd be feeling better about the decision.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Do you still stand by the call to replace Dave
Rennie with Eddie Jones three years ago?
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Yeah? I do. I mean, you know, the simple fact
is that, I mean, any our problems are structural and
provincial and I think you know, in Sydney alone, they
say it's the most competitive winter sports market. So we've
got soccer AFL NRL that are just raiding our players
and rugby union and I used to say to our provinces,
(03:48):
there's a reason why we haven't won a World Cup
or Bloods like we have. We actually, if we could
garner the right players could be much more competitive and
we'd be winning blood aslos. So I just felt that
it was too slow. Our structure hasn't change in one
hundred and twenty years, and Eddie had intimate knowledge of
(04:09):
our pathways and the player group and I think and
I think he knew that more than Dave, to be
honest with you. So you know, he had a little
hand in keeping Max Jorgenson in the game as a
casing point. He helped with Joseph Sowali. So Mark Alexander,
who's the chairman of South African Rugby, so under his
watch he's won two World Carbs said that. I mean
(04:31):
his view, so not an Australian view, was that Any
was one of the best coaches in the world and
without him when he was coaching as an assistant coach
or a technical coach with the Springboks, he said word
for word, they wouldn't have won it without Any. So
on paper, you know, when he got sacked by England,
he had a seventy four percent win rate versus Dave
(04:55):
was thirty eight percent for us and we had a
terrible Spring tour, so like I hate making these, you know,
or being part of these calls. It was a board
decision as well. I mean none ms board decision at
RA Yes, I was the chairman, but we debated it
a lot and there was a sense that we needed
to change it up. And the main reason, ironically for
(05:17):
that is that we thought we'd get kicked out of
the balls. So whether that was the right or the
wrong decision, we we stand by it. And Eddie's got
three separate teams to finals of World Cups, so you go,
seventy four percent with England after seven years is not
a bad track record. And he's got three different three
(05:38):
different teams to finals of World Cups, which is pretty impressive.
So you know, I don't wish Ill will on anyone.
And so I think I think this is the shot
in the arm that the kiwis needed, because I was actually,
you know, despite what people think, really concerned about how
you guys were playing. And I think there was a
(05:59):
lack of too much experimentation and a lack of a
lack of structure in terms of how you were playing.
And I think Dave will do a good job, and
I think New Zealand's is very different from Australia. I
think we are we're made differently. I think outsiders looking
and say you're so close together as countries, you must
(06:20):
be the same. I think we think differently, we motivate differently,
and I'm not saying either's better or worse. We're just
we're like the best of brothers, but we also are different.
And it's like children in the family and I you know,
we'll say to the day I die, I love I
love New Zealanders, but Ozzie's a different and I don't
(06:42):
think I don't think Dave really understood that, and I
don't think he really tapped into what really motivates us.
So I think, I think you'll do a good job,
and I think you know, you guys, the clock's ticking.
There are a lot of Kiwis who live in Australia
who will come over to Australia for the World Cup,
so you'll have you'll probably have more Kiwi's than Australian's.
(07:04):
Bloody watching the games, I think you're into the real shot,
but you know it's it's a it's an interesting drawer.
I look at the South Africans that in my opinion,
they've still got They've got they've got enough enough debt
to have two teams that can win the World Cup.
In my opinion, you guys don't have as much debt,
(07:28):
but you've got more depth, which will benefit Dave and
so so I think it's a risk worth taking. But
life is full of risks. Sometimes it works out, sometimes
it doesn't. But I think he needed to do something.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
There's a couple of your comments I already want to
pick up on Hamish. The first is about Dave. Were
any not understanding the Australians of the job. Do you
think Joe Schmidt understood it better.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
I've never met Joe, but I suspect he didn't either.
I mean he's he's ironically. But the thing is that
like Barren Gatlin and others a fabulous coach like I'm
not not in any way disregarding them, but you know,
to get a team to win what will be what
(08:18):
I think eight games now with a home World Cup,
you need depth. And I think statistics prove if you've
got a some someone from your home country who's the
lead coach set statistics shows that that works. So you've
got you know, rasci in you know South Africa and
(08:41):
you've got both Wick in England and I just think
that it does make a different I think, I think
I think a different s I should say. I think
it just will give everyone, including the players, and gave
that extra motivation. And whilst he was brought born in
the Cook Islands, I think he'll be able to pull
(09:01):
the various sections of your team together better. He was
obviously very good at the Chiefs, but it didn't work
in Australia. I mean we and say we make we
make calls and so you know I paid the price
for it. But life goes on, and you know, I
think I think he'll do better than Rais. Will that
(09:22):
be enough to get him too to beat South Africa
or to win the World Cup? Who knows. I think
you'll have a lot of fans that will sort of
gee your team on, but you're you know, you're running
out of time, so you don't have a lot of
time to get the team really and I think I
think you'll have a tough tour in South Africa. But
(09:42):
then again, you know, Joe Shmik got the Wallabies to
win at Ellis Park which was phenomenal, So we'll see what.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Leads you to think that Raja lost the dressing room.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Well, I've heard that from really good sources and it's
hard to pin it on any one player, and I
think it's really unfair to Asiety, Sada or anything like that.
But I just heard that from sources that I trust her,
you know, embedded in your system. So I won't out them.
(10:16):
But you know that's I think. I think he positioned
himself as a culture coach, and I think that's sort
of one of the big differences when you look at
I think Australians players need more hands on sort of
coaching because because I think your players. But by the
time I heard a fact, I think this is true,
by the time you pull pull on all blacks jersey,
(10:38):
you played twice twice the amount of games at that
high level than the average Wallaby. And so you know,
I want I want the Wallabies to win. I mean,
we worked so hard to get that home World Cup
and you know they're my team and they always will be.
But if you want me to comment about New Zealand,
I think times against you. I think you know Dave's
(11:01):
a solid choice. There wasn't a lot of choice out there.
I think he would have learned a lot because he's
competitive at that international level and he knows it's tough.
But I think he competitions South Africa and I think
RAS has done an amazing job of building depth and
I don't think the Abs have got the depth that
you used to have.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Oh look, I don't think you'll get an argument from
anybody about that on the side of the Tasman. If
Dave Ronnie does win the World Cup with the All
Blacks in eighteen nineteen months from now, do you think
you'll look back and think you made the wrong call
or of the two things just different in the way
that you've outlined. And that Dave Ronnie wasn't the right
coach for the Wallabies, that doesn't mean he can't be
(11:43):
the right coach for the All Blacks.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Well, what I'm actually saying is that he could. He
could have been a poor choice for the He could
have been the wrong choice. I should say, I don't
want to be disrespectful. He could have been the wrong
choice or a poor choice for the Wallabies and the
right choice for the All Blacks, because I think the
psychology and the understanding of the teams, the players in
(12:09):
the pathways is different and I think if it's you know,
next to being a PM. The head coach of the
ADS is hugely prestigious and I think Dave is an
authentic good person and so if you read any of
my commentary, he was he was a very decent man
and I think that's a great starting point for any team.
(12:32):
But it was, you know, yes I was chairman, but
it was it was a bored decision and everyone agreed
that we felt that we need to make a change now.
The reality is Australian rugby has been in the doldrums
for twenty years and we're trying to fix it. So
you know, I said, I look at it and I go,
there is a serendipity of this, like you could. I
think I think the the All Blacks definitely could pull
(12:55):
it off. I think they're up against it against the
South Africans. I mean the South Africans were trait were
planning for the twenty seven World Cup a week after
they returned home from twenty three. So so do I
look back on it, I would not have I would
not have changed the decision because there was so much
(13:18):
tied to us trying to get it right and I
think we gave Dave a really fair go. I don't
think we were bad people. I don't think other than
I mean, Kiwis take great offense to you know, any
of their coaches who get set of sacked. But the
reality is we're at thirty eight percent. We lost to
Italy for the first time ever. There were some calls
(13:41):
there that I think, you know, if you asked him,
you know, would he have made different would he have
made different calls? And so I just can't spend my
life looking in the rear a few mirror you know.
I just think, hopefully, hopefully, you know, by the time
you know all said and done, some people think, you know,
(14:03):
I made a good contribution in certain ways. I know
a lot of people disagree with certain certain things. But
you know, when I took over in twenty twenty, we
had no media rite deal, no CEO, and we lost
twenty five million dollars. So the very fact that the
game's alive and I stepped in and I said, of
(14:25):
did my best. And so everyone makes mistakes, but I
don't don't. I don't. I don't regret making that call.
And it was it was a tough call because we
were worried about getting the board, was worried about getting
kicked out of the pools, which ironically that's what happened.
We got kicked out of the polls. So there you.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Go, just a Finnish famoush you mentioned. I mean, we
all agree South Africa overwhelming favorite to win it again
back end of next year. Who was better placed out
of the All Blacks and the Wallabies to challenge them
most sternly next year? Oh the AADs, even on Australian soil.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yeah. Well, interestingly, the South Africans used to say to me,
there was that famous test where Marika we played in
Adelaide and Merika Corrabell Betty did that amazing tackle. The
South Africans haven't enjoyed a brilliant run in the past
in Australia, but they're formidable, especially in World Cups, and
(15:34):
so their depth is almost frightening in terms of where
they're out at the moment. But you know, I think
you've got to kind of look at the data and
you go, the abs over a long period of time
in big tournaments did very well. You look at Paris,
I mean, you guys were it could have you know,
(15:55):
there there was one penalty call that could have gone
either way. I mean I was sitting with World Rugby
people who were going, god, I thought that was a
New Zealand penalty, not a South African one. So the
margins are so fine, and so I worry that our
forwards we don't have enough depth in the forwards. We've
got some good players, but you know, they're pretty brutal
(16:15):
games and if you get a few injuries, you know,
it may make it tough. But I want the Wallabies
to beat you and South Africa, so anything can happen.
And that's the beauty of where we're at. And then
I think, you know, England, up until about six weeks ago,
we're looking like they were building momentum, and then the
(16:36):
French ship got a monster pack and then populated amongst
a lot of those teams and bloody Australians that have
left Australian rugby and working. We've got two people playing
for Ireland. Emmanuel Mofo, who's seven foot one is from
Western Sydney. If you look him up online, he's got
a thicker accent than I do. It's bizarre.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Alwoyst so interesting chatting to your homis thanks for being
so generously the time. Really enjoyed the chat as always,
cheers and good no good luck to you too. Hamish mcclennan,
their former chair of Rugby Australia. Plenty to react to
there if you would like to of eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty nine, two ninety two on texts, a
(17:18):
lot of good texts coming in as well. Hamish mcclennan said,
They're one thing that really caught my attention. He said,
David and he didn't fully understand the Australians of the
Wallabies job, and that the psychology of New Zealand and
Australian rugby players is very different. Is that true? Are
(17:41):
key we and Australian sports people quite different? It is true,
isn't it? On the whole We are different from Australian
sports people when it comes to our attitudes to top
level sport. Now neither is right or wrong, but we
(18:02):
are different. We often hear, don't we how hard nos
Australians are, how driven they are to win regardless of
what it takes, and that by comparison, we are perhaps
sometimes a little bit too nice. We don't put the
foot on the throat. We don't put winning ahead of
everything else, and that can sometimes cost us. I hear
(18:23):
this a lot with cricket in particular, how hard nosed
the Australians are compared to compared to our books. But
I'm happy that we're different, very happy. Australia haven't had
the Bledisloe Cup since two thousand and three.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
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