March 13, 2026 • 18 mins
New Zealand Cricket is faced with ever-growing tension and a major decision.
The organisation is considering an overhaul of the domestic game, a privatised T20 league, dubbed NZ20.
Former NZ Cricket CEO Justin Vaughan joined D’Arcy Waldegrave to discuss the complexities of the situation, what will happen, and whether it’s a good idea.
Vaughan told D’Arcy that it’s been coming for a long time.
He says the tension between international and domestic cricket has been gathering momentum, and the time for NZ Cricket to make some difficult decisions will arrive very soon.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from Newstalk ZEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
It's a smolding and bubbling story. What is happening within
Z twenty, What is handling with franchise cricket. What is
the future of either Super Smash, Big Bash or revised
Super Smash or in Z twenty which is firming as
the favorite. In the fallout of this, New Zealand Cricket
have lost a CEO and it seems the Black Caps
(00:35):
playing in summer well, it already is a thing of
the past, but it might really be a constant thing
of the past. To discuss that and all the complexities
around this situation, we're joined by former New Zealand Cricket
CEO mister Justin Vaughan.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Hi, Justin, Yeah, get a Darcy. Good to hear your
voice again after quite a bit of a.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Break indeed, and thanks very much for acquiescing to this demand.
New Zealand is in a very interesting state right now
and that is probably the biggest understatement of the year.
They are caught between the rock and a hard place
around what happens next for not only their T twenty franchise,
(01:21):
but the international game the domestic game. It is messy
to say anything else from your position in Australia. What
have you noted about the ruckus going on at NZI
cricket right now?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Well, it's what could I say. I mean, it's been
coming for a long time. I mean the issue around
franchise cricket and it's impact on if you like, the
traditional way that cricket is operated, with a country versus
country model being paramount that the tension between those forces
(02:00):
has been obvious around the world. I mean we're currently
in Australia as well. And you know, even when I
was CEO over a decade ago, you could feel that
this was this was a train that was gathering momentum
and at some stage you were going to have to
(02:22):
make some really, really important and really difficult decisions. And
I think that time is coming very soon for New
Zealand cricket.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
It's the dominant force in world cricket, whether you like
it or not. T twenty is here to stay and
it really is shaping the landscape, isn't it. With private
franchises first and foremost, that's where the money's at, and
that's where the eyeballs is at. Did you see this
domination continuing or growing.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
I mean, it's hard to see it not, you know.
I mean I was born at a time when you know,
the summers were spent listening usually to the radio of
either domestic first class cricket or international long form cricket,
with test matches being obviously the pinnacle. And you know,
(03:17):
during my playing time, test cricket was still the type
of game that you aspired to do very well at,
and the short form cricket was fine, but it wasn't
anywhere near as dominating as what it is now. I
think now, if you were an aspiring teenager or a
(03:40):
child even younger, it would be hard push to not
want to do well at T twenty cricket. And that's
you know, I guess that's an evolution of the sport
and how national bodies and how the whole framework of
cricket internationally adapts to this as well. It's anyone's guess
(04:03):
how the landscape is going to look in ten years time.
I personally hope that test cricket remains and that it
is still seen as the you know, the original and
perhaps the purest form of the sport. But you know,
I'm a bit of a dinosaur. Maybe maybe that's old
(04:25):
fashioned thinking. So yeah, well we'll wait and see. I'm
a I'm a sort of spectator as much as everyone
else's listening.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
It's very much a modern phenomenon. It's that whole tech talk,
whatever you want to call it. We want entertainment, we
want it very fast, we want it done and dusted.
That's that's the way society is going. So it's completely understandable.
I suppose when you look at this, you've got to
hover above the entire global ecosystem of cricket to my eyes,
(04:56):
and you may disagree or agree the ic C, whether
that's through the BCCI or not. I don't know who
runs the show these days. They've got to establish some
form of international situation where there are distinct windows so
we know when our bilaterals are, what purpose they have,
the tests, so on and so forth, And that's the
(05:16):
only way the game can go forward if there's control
from above or is this a pipe dream for me?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Justin No, I don't think it is wanting your you know,
the governing body internationally to create a framework around which
sort of member countries can operate I think is reasonable,
But it is very complicated. You know, you see that
issue in rugby as well, talking about having a global
(05:44):
calendar or you know, a way that that sport can operate,
and cricket's just the same. I mean, you've got you know,
only certain you can only play cricket in New Zealand
during certain months of the year. You can only play
cricket in India or in England at certain times of
the year. And so when do you play if you
(06:05):
like the country versus country forms and when theos you know,
and can you also fit in domestic competitions which you know,
it's such a challenge. It's such a challenge. Obviously when
I was CEO, the IPL started and there was a
(06:25):
lot of pressure for the players to be able to
play in that competition and that meant giving them, if
you like, leave during the period particularly April and the
start of May. And most other countries allow their players
to play in the IPL. But even just with the
(06:46):
i PL, which is now extended beyond six week tournament
it was when it started, you know that that's now
reducing the amount of time when the players play for
their country, and every time you create these windows for
franchise competition or whether it's going to be reversed and
(07:08):
you create windows for when the countries play against each other.
It's a big undertaking and it takes a lot of
work at the international level and domestically to be able
to adapt to that is. Yeah, it's a it's a
big Rubik's cube, Darcy, you know, and but you do
(07:32):
have to be very conscious of what's happening. It's the globe.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
I think New Zealand Cricket have been very nimble so
far with their ability to essentially contract players or not,
and a lot of players are making the most of
that because this is a year round earnings potential for
these players and they're going to look at that and say, well,
I can make decent money here. But I don't think
(07:57):
you can bow down to the top level players at
the risk of decimating the grassroots of the game. And
this is something that New Zealand Cricket have to seriously
think about. It's all very well for the big guns
to make all the money, but if they were to
say lose control through various franchise crickets or the MZ
(08:19):
twenty for example, I to seed control through that, how
much would that affect it at the grassroots. Tell me
if I'm wrong, But surely in New Zealand cricket's job
is to look after cricket as a whole in the country,
not just worry about top level regardless of the trickle
down of income.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
No, it is. And now you would like to think
you could have your cake and eat it too, that
you know, your top players could be going around the
world earning you know, a lot of money. I mean
you see that. Let's say, for example, in soccer or football,
you know players go around the world and that make
(08:58):
a lot of money. Kids still want to play football
because they see it on television and they and there
is a stroll domestic grassroots structure that's supported that way.
Cricket hasn't been like that. That We're very much relied
upon international cricket during a New Zealand summer usually in January,
(09:24):
to bring eyeballs to the game, to sort of get
kids along to watch their heroes play. That's been the model,
is that the model forever in the day. Look, I
don't know, it's the issue is going to be that
(09:45):
whatever decisions you make, that those decisions are reasonably irreversible,
that if they were to create a franchise based competition
and you're selling equity in teams to private investment. That
isn't something that can be reversed very quickly. So you've
got to be really sure that what you're doing is
(10:08):
in the best interests of the game. And as you say,
the obligation in New Zealand cricket is to look after
the game in its entirety from spectators, grassroots participation, from
schools through the clubs and then to have a high
performance sort of professional level of the sport all the
(10:32):
way through. So those are the challenges that have faced
the board and you know, the New Zealand Cricket as
a whole, to try and figure out what the best
part forward's going to be.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Scott, we think stepped down from his role, lost his role,
lost the faith in the board based on his fact
he wanted to do due diligence when it comes to
the reforming of franchise cricket. Here be at Super Smash
Big Bash in ZED twenty. From what I can gather,
he wanted to take a bit of time in ZED
twenty though, which is the preferred format if you talk
(11:05):
to most people in the cricketing world. The players particularly
there's been a need to get this I suppose underlined
and done and tied up now. So a hasty decision
because they need to start it in January. I'm not
sure if anyone made a great decision in haste, and
(11:26):
Scott didn't want to do that probably cost him as job.
Do you think it's fair to lay that pressure on,
say we need to do it now. That's a bit
pushy or.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Ah? I guess I'm not close enough to the detail
to be able to sort of really understand, but you
do need this is a this is a decision which,
as I said, has got You know, you can't reverse
out of the decisions you make easily, so it needs
to be thought through very carefully. That isn't to say
(11:59):
that you don't make any decision. You have to choose
what you're going to do, I mean, but at the
same time, you do need to be aware of what's
happening internationally and what's happening with the structure of the
game around the world. How many of these franchise competitions
can the sport bear, Because if you're looking at January,
(12:21):
then the issue is going to be that you've already
got the big Bash operating in Australia, You've got the
South African TA twenty competition operating, and you've also got
the ILT twenty going on in the Middle East, which
you know, that's quite a lot of T twenty cricket
going on around the world. So look, there are it's complicated.
(12:43):
New Zealan create needs to get their head around it
and they will need to make a decision fairly quickly.
But there are a number of considerations, which means I
sort of understand why you might want to think carefully
before you actually jump.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I'm sure they're thinking carefully. I don't think they're fools
rushing any more. Angels fear to treat. They understand that
the weight of this decisions a lot of pressure coming
from the player base and when push comes to South
we know about domestic cricket and grassroots cricket, but people
want to see these stars play and if you lose
them to the international game, it's a punch in the nose.
(13:22):
And if you look at the January window, this is
what it used to be a time where we would
see international cricket over here. That's rabbishly rapidly diminishing. Now
that situation so it's a question of do you sacrifice
the good of international cricket at the altar of the
T twenty franchise system, And we've even experienced that. I'm
(13:44):
not sure if that's good for the game and your experience.
Would you like that to happen?
Speaker 3 (13:55):
The horse to a degree has bolted on that. You know,
these franchises are operating around the world. Players could make,
you know, significant amounts of money playing in those competitions,
and that's great. You know, it's good to have that
commercial engine for the sport. The issue is going to
(14:19):
be how do you fit in proper international cricket, particularly
in the country like New Zealand where your calendar is
limited by the weather. You know, I was slightly bewildered.
I tried to watch a series between the Black Caps
(14:41):
and Australia which was staged for October in New Zealand
last you know, during the summer, just being and hey, presto,
of course it was weather affected. The chances of playing
you know, good cricket in New Zealand are pretty much
limited to probably three months of the year, so you know,
(15:06):
and how can you make sure at the same time
that you're going to be able to have the top
tier countries visiting your country to play series of Test
cricket or ad I and T twenty cricket at the
time when you want them to, because they may not
be able to come at that time. We saw the issue.
(15:27):
Was it a summer or two ago when South Africa
sent basically their seatam to New Zealand because they wanted
their top play in their franchise T twenty competition back
at home. That doesn't look good to me in terms
of preserving the integrity of international cricket of country versus
(15:49):
country cricket. So there's got to be a way through this.
I just you know, it's really tricky. You know, it
would be great if New Zealand could have a franchise
competition and we could have a sort of a thriving
Black Caps team playing at the time when you know
(16:13):
New Zealanders can watch them play in their backyard. I
would love that to be able to happen. Can it happen?
I'm really not sure.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Very interesting article in The Australian by Andrew Jones, like
referencing the BBL on the way that is developing, and
he makes the point that cricket Australia and private investors
in the BBL are very different goals and incentives. Investers
want to make money, ca need to grow the game.
And he finishes with this wonderful quote, it's hard to
(16:43):
serve two masters, or put more bluntly, it's hard to
ride two horses with one ass. And that probably summarizes it,
doesn't it justin.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Yes, there are forces pulling you in many different directions.
Cricket Australia is facing exactly the same issue really that
New Zealand Cricket is that BBL has operated for a
while is now talk about bringing in private investment. They
haven't decided whether that's going to happen or not, and
if so, to what degree and what level of control
(17:17):
Cricket Australia will have over that competition. And it's exactly
the same question that New Zealand Cricket is grappling with. Yeah,
it'll be fascinating to see what takes place over the
next two or three months.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Break out the popcorn. Justin Vorm Vaughan, former CEO of
n ZED Cricket. We thank you so much for your
time and your opinions. You look after yourself and have
a tremendous weekend.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Thanks a lot, Darcy, good to talk to you.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
And always great to talk to you. The Good Doctor
Justin Vaughan for my CEO of n Z Cricket, with
his opinions and thoughts around the tumult surrounding when New
Zealand Cricket goes in the future, specifically with the franchise situation.
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
It's a smolding and bubbling story. What is happening within
Z twenty, What is handling with franchise cricket. What is
the future of either Super Smash, Big Bash or revised
Super Smash or in Z twenty which is firming as
the favorite. In the fallout of this, New Zealand Cricket
have lost a CEO and it seems the Black Caps
(00:35):
playing in summer well, it already is a thing of
the past, but it might really be a constant thing
of the past. To discuss that and all the complexities
around this situation, we're joined by former New Zealand Cricket
CEO mister Justin Vaughan.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Hi, Justin, Yeah, get a Darcy. Good to hear your
voice again after quite a bit of a.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Break indeed, and thanks very much for acquiescing to this demand.
New Zealand is in a very interesting state right now
and that is probably the biggest understatement of the year.
They are caught between the rock and a hard place
around what happens next for not only their T twenty franchise,
(01:21):
but the international game the domestic game. It is messy
to say anything else from your position in Australia. What
have you noted about the ruckus going on at NZI
cricket right now?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Well, it's what could I say. I mean, it's been
coming for a long time. I mean the issue around
franchise cricket and it's impact on if you like, the
traditional way that cricket is operated, with a country versus
country model being paramount that the tension between those forces
(02:00):
has been obvious around the world. I mean we're currently
in Australia as well. And you know, even when I
was CEO over a decade ago, you could feel that
this was this was a train that was gathering momentum
and at some stage you were going to have to
(02:22):
make some really, really important and really difficult decisions. And
I think that time is coming very soon for New
Zealand cricket.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
It's the dominant force in world cricket, whether you like
it or not. T twenty is here to stay and
it really is shaping the landscape, isn't it. With private
franchises first and foremost, that's where the money's at, and
that's where the eyeballs is at. Did you see this
domination continuing or growing.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
I mean, it's hard to see it not, you know.
I mean I was born at a time when you know,
the summers were spent listening usually to the radio of
either domestic first class cricket or international long form cricket,
with test matches being obviously the pinnacle. And you know,
(03:17):
during my playing time, test cricket was still the type
of game that you aspired to do very well at,
and the short form cricket was fine, but it wasn't
anywhere near as dominating as what it is now. I
think now, if you were an aspiring teenager or a
(03:40):
child even younger, it would be hard push to not
want to do well at T twenty cricket. And that's
you know, I guess that's an evolution of the sport
and how national bodies and how the whole framework of
cricket internationally adapts to this as well. It's anyone's guess
(04:03):
how the landscape is going to look in ten years time.
I personally hope that test cricket remains and that it
is still seen as the you know, the original and
perhaps the purest form of the sport. But you know,
I'm a bit of a dinosaur. Maybe maybe that's old
(04:25):
fashioned thinking. So yeah, well we'll wait and see. I'm
a I'm a sort of spectator as much as everyone
else's listening.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
It's very much a modern phenomenon. It's that whole tech talk,
whatever you want to call it. We want entertainment, we
want it very fast, we want it done and dusted.
That's that's the way society is going. So it's completely understandable.
I suppose when you look at this, you've got to
hover above the entire global ecosystem of cricket to my eyes,
(04:56):
and you may disagree or agree the ic C, whether
that's through the BCCI or not. I don't know who
runs the show these days. They've got to establish some
form of international situation where there are distinct windows so
we know when our bilaterals are, what purpose they have,
the tests, so on and so forth, And that's the
(05:16):
only way the game can go forward if there's control
from above or is this a pipe dream for me?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Justin No, I don't think it is wanting your you know,
the governing body internationally to create a framework around which
sort of member countries can operate I think is reasonable,
But it is very complicated. You know, you see that
issue in rugby as well, talking about having a global
(05:44):
calendar or you know, a way that that sport can operate,
and cricket's just the same. I mean, you've got you know,
only certain you can only play cricket in New Zealand
during certain months of the year. You can only play
cricket in India or in England at certain times of
the year. And so when do you play if you
(06:05):
like the country versus country forms and when theos you know,
and can you also fit in domestic competitions which you know,
it's such a challenge. It's such a challenge. Obviously when
I was CEO, the IPL started and there was a
(06:25):
lot of pressure for the players to be able to
play in that competition and that meant giving them, if
you like, leave during the period particularly April and the
start of May. And most other countries allow their players
to play in the IPL. But even just with the
(06:46):
i PL, which is now extended beyond six week tournament
it was when it started, you know that that's now
reducing the amount of time when the players play for
their country, and every time you create these windows for
franchise competition or whether it's going to be reversed and
(07:08):
you create windows for when the countries play against each other.
It's a big undertaking and it takes a lot of
work at the international level and domestically to be able
to adapt to that is. Yeah, it's a it's a
big Rubik's cube, Darcy, you know, and but you do
(07:32):
have to be very conscious of what's happening. It's the globe.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
I think New Zealand Cricket have been very nimble so
far with their ability to essentially contract players or not,
and a lot of players are making the most of
that because this is a year round earnings potential for
these players and they're going to look at that and say, well,
I can make decent money here. But I don't think
(07:57):
you can bow down to the top level players at
the risk of decimating the grassroots of the game. And
this is something that New Zealand Cricket have to seriously
think about. It's all very well for the big guns
to make all the money, but if they were to
say lose control through various franchise crickets or the MZ
(08:19):
twenty for example, I to seed control through that, how
much would that affect it at the grassroots. Tell me
if I'm wrong, But surely in New Zealand cricket's job
is to look after cricket as a whole in the country,
not just worry about top level regardless of the trickle
down of income.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
No, it is. And now you would like to think
you could have your cake and eat it too, that
you know, your top players could be going around the
world earning you know, a lot of money. I mean
you see that. Let's say, for example, in soccer or football,
you know players go around the world and that make
(08:58):
a lot of money. Kids still want to play football
because they see it on television and they and there
is a stroll domestic grassroots structure that's supported that way.
Cricket hasn't been like that. That We're very much relied
upon international cricket during a New Zealand summer usually in January,
(09:24):
to bring eyeballs to the game, to sort of get
kids along to watch their heroes play. That's been the model,
is that the model forever in the day. Look, I
don't know, it's the issue is going to be that
(09:45):
whatever decisions you make, that those decisions are reasonably irreversible,
that if they were to create a franchise based competition
and you're selling equity in teams to private investment. That
isn't something that can be reversed very quickly. So you've
got to be really sure that what you're doing is
(10:08):
in the best interests of the game. And as you say,
the obligation in New Zealand cricket is to look after
the game in its entirety from spectators, grassroots participation, from
schools through the clubs and then to have a high
performance sort of professional level of the sport all the
(10:32):
way through. So those are the challenges that have faced
the board and you know, the New Zealand Cricket as
a whole, to try and figure out what the best
part forward's going to be.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Scott, we think stepped down from his role, lost his role,
lost the faith in the board based on his fact
he wanted to do due diligence when it comes to
the reforming of franchise cricket. Here be at Super Smash
Big Bash in ZED twenty. From what I can gather,
he wanted to take a bit of time in ZED
twenty though, which is the preferred format if you talk
(11:05):
to most people in the cricketing world. The players particularly
there's been a need to get this I suppose underlined
and done and tied up now. So a hasty decision
because they need to start it in January. I'm not
sure if anyone made a great decision in haste, and
(11:26):
Scott didn't want to do that probably cost him as job.
Do you think it's fair to lay that pressure on,
say we need to do it now. That's a bit
pushy or.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Ah? I guess I'm not close enough to the detail
to be able to sort of really understand, but you
do need this is a this is a decision which,
as I said, has got You know, you can't reverse
out of the decisions you make easily, so it needs
to be thought through very carefully. That isn't to say
(11:59):
that you don't make any decision. You have to choose
what you're going to do, I mean, but at the
same time, you do need to be aware of what's
happening internationally and what's happening with the structure of the
game around the world. How many of these franchise competitions
can the sport bear, Because if you're looking at January,
(12:21):
then the issue is going to be that you've already
got the big Bash operating in Australia, You've got the
South African TA twenty competition operating, and you've also got
the ILT twenty going on in the Middle East, which
you know, that's quite a lot of T twenty cricket
going on around the world. So look, there are it's complicated.
(12:43):
New Zealan create needs to get their head around it
and they will need to make a decision fairly quickly.
But there are a number of considerations, which means I
sort of understand why you might want to think carefully
before you actually jump.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I'm sure they're thinking carefully. I don't think they're fools
rushing any more. Angels fear to treat. They understand that
the weight of this decisions a lot of pressure coming
from the player base and when push comes to South
we know about domestic cricket and grassroots cricket, but people
want to see these stars play and if you lose
them to the international game, it's a punch in the nose.
(13:22):
And if you look at the January window, this is
what it used to be a time where we would
see international cricket over here. That's rabbishly rapidly diminishing. Now
that situation so it's a question of do you sacrifice
the good of international cricket at the altar of the
T twenty franchise system, And we've even experienced that. I'm
(13:44):
not sure if that's good for the game and your experience.
Would you like that to happen?
Speaker 3 (13:55):
The horse to a degree has bolted on that. You know,
these franchises are operating around the world. Players could make,
you know, significant amounts of money playing in those competitions,
and that's great. You know, it's good to have that
commercial engine for the sport. The issue is going to
(14:19):
be how do you fit in proper international cricket, particularly
in the country like New Zealand where your calendar is
limited by the weather. You know, I was slightly bewildered.
I tried to watch a series between the Black Caps
(14:41):
and Australia which was staged for October in New Zealand
last you know, during the summer, just being and hey, presto,
of course it was weather affected. The chances of playing
you know, good cricket in New Zealand are pretty much
limited to probably three months of the year, so you know,
(15:06):
and how can you make sure at the same time
that you're going to be able to have the top
tier countries visiting your country to play series of Test
cricket or ad I and T twenty cricket at the
time when you want them to, because they may not
be able to come at that time. We saw the issue.
(15:27):
Was it a summer or two ago when South Africa
sent basically their seatam to New Zealand because they wanted
their top play in their franchise T twenty competition back
at home. That doesn't look good to me in terms
of preserving the integrity of international cricket of country versus
(15:49):
country cricket. So there's got to be a way through this.
I just you know, it's really tricky. You know, it
would be great if New Zealand could have a franchise
competition and we could have a sort of a thriving
Black Caps team playing at the time when you know
(16:13):
New Zealanders can watch them play in their backyard. I
would love that to be able to happen. Can it happen?
I'm really not sure.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Very interesting article in The Australian by Andrew Jones, like
referencing the BBL on the way that is developing, and
he makes the point that cricket Australia and private investors
in the BBL are very different goals and incentives. Investers
want to make money, ca need to grow the game.
And he finishes with this wonderful quote, it's hard to
(16:43):
serve two masters, or put more bluntly, it's hard to
ride two horses with one ass. And that probably summarizes it,
doesn't it justin.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Yes, there are forces pulling you in many different directions.
Cricket Australia is facing exactly the same issue really that
New Zealand Cricket is that BBL has operated for a
while is now talk about bringing in private investment. They
haven't decided whether that's going to happen or not, and
if so, to what degree and what level of control
(17:17):
Cricket Australia will have over that competition. And it's exactly
the same question that New Zealand Cricket is grappling with. Yeah,
it'll be fascinating to see what takes place over the
next two or three months.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Break out the popcorn. Justin Vorm Vaughan, former CEO of
n ZED Cricket. We thank you so much for your
time and your opinions. You look after yourself and have
a tremendous weekend.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Thanks a lot, Darcy, good to talk to you.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
And always great to talk to you. The Good Doctor
Justin Vaughan for my CEO of n Z Cricket, with
his opinions and thoughts around the tumult surrounding when New
Zealand Cricket goes in the future, specifically with the franchise situation.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
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