October 18, 2024 • 9 mins
The White Ferns have defied the odds.
Their triumph over the West Indies cinched their position in the T20 World Cup Final.
Piney caught up with former White Fern Katey Martin for a chat about how the team managed to pull together this improbable run.
“They've just showed so much heart and determination.”
“I saw the girls at the end of the game and they we’re all just in disbelief, they sort of can't quite believe what's happened.”
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine
from Newstalks ed b O Cricket.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
We woke up this morning, or you might have stayed
up to watch or got up to watch. We woke up,
though many of us, to the news that the White
Ferns are through to the final of the T twenty
Cricket World Cup in the UAE.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Not enough and New Zealand legends Susie bets Sophie divine
hear to who who have turned the tables on the
Westerndies and finally they have exercised the course of twenty
sixteen and they are into the final. Well the ICC
Women's T twenty World Cup twenty.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Twenty four outstanding New Zealand beating the Weast Indies by
eight runs in Shahjah this morning.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
In their semi final.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
They scored one hundred and twenty eight for nine and
then restricted the Windys to one hundred and twenty for
eight from their twenty overs. Former Whitefern and now comment
to Katie Martin has joined us. She watched on and
commentated this game this morning, as she has been for
the entire tournament. The White Ferns in a World Cup Final,
Katie Martin, How good is this?
Speaker 5 (01:19):
I don't think I would have believed this about in
the last eighteen months or so, but these haven't. They
performed like what kew We's performed like. They've just showed
so much heart and determination. And I saw the girls
at the end of the game and they're all just
in disbelief. They sort of can't quite believe what's happened.
So it's a pretty special moment. It's been a long
time between drinks for the women's team to make a final,
(01:40):
so hopefully they can knock the top off. It's probably, yeah,
Everest the teach when he worked up between the men
and the women, so yeah, they've got an opportunity to
do it on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
At the innings break, did one hundred and twenty eight
feel like enough?
Speaker 5 (01:55):
Not really, because while the West Indies and you would
have seen a lot of Western these scenes throughout the years,
they are probably the most unpredictable side. And when we
kept dropping to Andrew Dodd and I thought, oh goodness,
gracious me, you know ones that he didn't look like
a big enough score.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
But you sort of just get a.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
Sense that their bowling side of it has really clicked right.
Socia Vines mainly used before have key bowlers and obviously
a few youngsters in that bowling lineup as well, and
there's just so much clarity in how they go about it,
and they've had so much belief walking out onto the park.
And I think the results, well, maybe we haven't performed.
(02:31):
I guess that our very very best. We've scrapped our
way and we've found a way to win. And I
think that's in tournament and play that's the most crucial thing.
And in the end and ended up being enough runs.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Were there some key moments Katie in the West Indies
innings where things really turned where there were there were
pivotal times key wicket or something similar where you thought, okay,
this is swinging back in New Zealand's favor now.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
I thought the way that we bowled in the power play,
especially the Hailey netthews is one of the most dangerous
batters in the world. You sort of felt if she
was there near the end, it gave the West Indy
the very best chance. I thought the way that we
bowled to her and Count of Joseph, who was so
dangerous against England. I thought our planning was outstanding. You
saw that they executed it, you saw the pressure they build,
(03:17):
and I thought, okay, we've put the Westiners a little
bit behind the game here early, and you just felt
that if Deandrew Dondon was there at the end and
we saw the massive over against Tajohu, that they could
win that. So I think the power play was so
crucial for us, and we created opportunities and in the
end the way that that if we're taking those it
would have been a far more comfortable win as well.
(03:37):
But yeah, I'd just send the clarity that the girls
were bowling with and the planning that the team had
put in really paid Dividenso.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
That Eden Carson three for twenty nine gees, she's having
some sort of tournament. What have you seen in the
development of her bowling?
Speaker 5 (03:52):
Finey, wouldn't you love to interview after a game?
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Absolutely, there's no.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
Word in need It isn't I think the interview says
at all. Yeah. I've had such a privilege to be
able to play with eating it this spark for a
number of years. But the one thing that people probably
outside of the team haven't seen is the last eighteen months,
the team has been overloaded on skill development, tactical development.
(04:19):
I've seen Eden Carson walk at her nets in tears
because she's made so much change to her bowling action.
And I think you think about a country girl from
ran fairly. You know, she used to be on the
farm before driving to Theneden to get to Sparks training,
and now she's had the benefit of that contracting period
and she's had a tough couple of years. She's really
(04:40):
had to push herself way beyond her comfort zone. And
there's just this heart, this massive heart in Eden, and
this massive caring factor that nobody sees. He's a real
little sensitive soul. She's a bit of a She's part
of the cool crew of the White Ferns, which are
the younger group, although Fusie would probably say she was
part of that group as well, but she just epitomizes
(05:01):
that humble, loyal, you know, do it for the team
sort of attitude. And it's just been so pleasing her
development and to see the success and the work probably
that she's done in the background that no one will
ever see. But her walking out in that field and
then walking back off, she knows deep down what she's
been thready to put herself in the best position possible.
So it's just so pleasing and so cool to see
(05:24):
as a former teammate and now someone that gets to
watch them pretty close up, just see how much she's
sort of realized her own skill and her own I
guess telling that she's got.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
That's amazing insight.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Another of the youngsters, Georgia Plumber, she's been entrusted with
the responsibility of opening the batting. It's been a rocky
road too, hasn't it. What have you made though of
that move to move Georgia up to open and drop
Sophie Devine down to four for ten twenties.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
I think it's probably the most spoken about most questions
that you get asters around who should open the batting
for New Zealand. And she's had something like thirty plus
games for New Zealand, really really struggled at the top.
And again she's someone that has been overloaded with that
development of his skill set. Means she struggled to bat
more than ten fifteen balls and domestic cricket over the
(06:10):
last few years. And I think I was just saying
this to someone before. I feel like there's three warm
up games against Australia, I shouldn't say them warm up games.
So the three games leading and has put that team
and especially her in such good stead that fifty she
saw it scored against Australia. You just saw her after
ten overs just relax and just we've always known that
(06:30):
she's had the talent. She's always looked really great and
it was just around finding a tempo in a way
to bat. And maybe tonight she's lost a little bit
of that composure, but she was still able to scrap
and fight, and anybody else Piney, I think that doesn't
have that same heart and resilience sort of really fallen
over at international cricket. There's so much external noises, so
(06:50):
many discussions about why she shouldn't be there and why
Sophie should be in that position and to be able
to continue that and actually, you know she's stood up
in the opening partnership Bates. He's probably struggled a bit
more around strike crade and George has been that senior
pro in terms of that well and police her from
a leadership perspective at the other end from Sydney Bates.
So it's so cool to see her smile and thrive
(07:12):
and after being under such enormous pressure.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Amazing. Well, they breed them tough in Tawa, as you know, Katie,
there's a few there.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
Yeah, well you know, yes, Sophiels say that she baby
said all of them and she developed them their cricket skills.
But it's a weird place to her, isn't it great?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
All right?
Speaker 4 (07:31):
So South Africa? South Africa in the final.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
That's three o'clock in the morning over here Monday morning
to a lot of people will be getting up to
watch someday for you. They've had a good tournament and
knocked the Australians off on the Seami's how do we
stack up against South Africa?
Speaker 5 (07:44):
Isn't it Another chapter in New Zealand's sporting history with
the proces, whether it's in cricket or rugby. And I'll
be talking about that twenty fifteen men Sidney final for
the next two days and just made me say in
the word choke a couple of times, not too many,
but no, there they're really well led by Laura Wolf
but and I think they've had different players deep over
(08:06):
it up at different times. There a side that wears
their heart on their sleeve. They're passionate, but they're a
really skillful side. I think it's probably going to be
our bowlers come up against their batches, and I think
whoever wins that battle is a team that's be going
to get up on top. So I think, yeah, Marizon Cat,
we haven't seen too much of our and Chloe trying either,
(08:26):
so there are two really destructive players. And I think again,
it just comes down to those key, little crucial moments,
which way does it swing and however it takes that
and however hopefully catches a few more catches at the
outfit I think will be the winning side. But there's
no doubt going to be a lot of passion in
that game.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
It's just one we can't wait for.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I don't think anybody, well not too many anyway, at
the start of the tournament expected New Zealand to be
there right at the end of the Grand Final, but
here we are, South Africa, New Zealand. Three o'clock Monday morning, Katie,
great to chat. Thanks for staying up late for us.
Really appreciate your time.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
Thanks, Funny, appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
No, thank you, Katie.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Katy Martin there from the UAE where I don't know
what time it is, but.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
She stayed up for us. Can we just celebrate the war?
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Itphones into a World Cup final Monday morning at three o'clock.
They will play for silverware. They'll play South Africa.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, Listen live
to News Talk set B weekends from midday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine
from Newstalks ed b O Cricket.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
We woke up this morning, or you might have stayed
up to watch or got up to watch. We woke up,
though many of us, to the news that the White
Ferns are through to the final of the T twenty
Cricket World Cup in the UAE.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Not enough and New Zealand legends Susie bets Sophie divine
hear to who who have turned the tables on the
Westerndies and finally they have exercised the course of twenty
sixteen and they are into the final. Well the ICC
Women's T twenty World Cup twenty.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Twenty four outstanding New Zealand beating the Weast Indies by
eight runs in Shahjah this morning.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
In their semi final.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
They scored one hundred and twenty eight for nine and
then restricted the Windys to one hundred and twenty for
eight from their twenty overs. Former Whitefern and now comment
to Katie Martin has joined us. She watched on and
commentated this game this morning, as she has been for
the entire tournament. The White Ferns in a World Cup Final,
Katie Martin, How good is this?
Speaker 5 (01:19):
I don't think I would have believed this about in
the last eighteen months or so, but these haven't. They
performed like what kew We's performed like. They've just showed
so much heart and determination. And I saw the girls
at the end of the game and they're all just
in disbelief. They sort of can't quite believe what's happened.
So it's a pretty special moment. It's been a long
time between drinks for the women's team to make a final,
(01:40):
so hopefully they can knock the top off. It's probably, yeah,
Everest the teach when he worked up between the men
and the women, so yeah, they've got an opportunity to
do it on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
At the innings break, did one hundred and twenty eight
feel like enough?
Speaker 5 (01:55):
Not really, because while the West Indies and you would
have seen a lot of Western these scenes throughout the years,
they are probably the most unpredictable side. And when we
kept dropping to Andrew Dodd and I thought, oh goodness,
gracious me, you know ones that he didn't look like
a big enough score.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
But you sort of just get a.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
Sense that their bowling side of it has really clicked right.
Socia Vines mainly used before have key bowlers and obviously
a few youngsters in that bowling lineup as well, and
there's just so much clarity in how they go about it,
and they've had so much belief walking out onto the park.
And I think the results, well, maybe we haven't performed.
(02:31):
I guess that our very very best. We've scrapped our
way and we've found a way to win. And I
think that's in tournament and play that's the most crucial thing.
And in the end and ended up being enough runs.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Were there some key moments Katie in the West Indies
innings where things really turned where there were there were
pivotal times key wicket or something similar where you thought, okay,
this is swinging back in New Zealand's favor now.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
I thought the way that we bowled in the power play,
especially the Hailey netthews is one of the most dangerous
batters in the world. You sort of felt if she
was there near the end, it gave the West Indy
the very best chance. I thought the way that we
bowled to her and Count of Joseph, who was so
dangerous against England. I thought our planning was outstanding. You
saw that they executed it, you saw the pressure they build,
(03:17):
and I thought, okay, we've put the Westiners a little
bit behind the game here early, and you just felt
that if Deandrew Dondon was there at the end and
we saw the massive over against Tajohu, that they could
win that. So I think the power play was so
crucial for us, and we created opportunities and in the
end the way that that if we're taking those it
would have been a far more comfortable win as well.
(03:37):
But yeah, I'd just send the clarity that the girls
were bowling with and the planning that the team had
put in really paid Dividenso.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
That Eden Carson three for twenty nine gees, she's having
some sort of tournament. What have you seen in the
development of her bowling?
Speaker 5 (03:52):
Finey, wouldn't you love to interview after a game?
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Absolutely, there's no.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
Word in need It isn't I think the interview says
at all. Yeah. I've had such a privilege to be
able to play with eating it this spark for a
number of years. But the one thing that people probably
outside of the team haven't seen is the last eighteen months,
the team has been overloaded on skill development, tactical development.
(04:19):
I've seen Eden Carson walk at her nets in tears
because she's made so much change to her bowling action.
And I think you think about a country girl from
ran fairly. You know, she used to be on the
farm before driving to Theneden to get to Sparks training,
and now she's had the benefit of that contracting period
and she's had a tough couple of years. She's really
(04:40):
had to push herself way beyond her comfort zone. And
there's just this heart, this massive heart in Eden, and
this massive caring factor that nobody sees. He's a real
little sensitive soul. She's a bit of a She's part
of the cool crew of the White Ferns, which are
the younger group, although Fusie would probably say she was
part of that group as well, but she just epitomizes
(05:01):
that humble, loyal, you know, do it for the team
sort of attitude. And it's just been so pleasing her
development and to see the success and the work probably
that she's done in the background that no one will
ever see. But her walking out in that field and
then walking back off, she knows deep down what she's
been thready to put herself in the best position possible.
So it's just so pleasing and so cool to see
(05:24):
as a former teammate and now someone that gets to
watch them pretty close up, just see how much she's
sort of realized her own skill and her own I
guess telling that she's got.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
That's amazing insight.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Another of the youngsters, Georgia Plumber, she's been entrusted with
the responsibility of opening the batting. It's been a rocky
road too, hasn't it. What have you made though of
that move to move Georgia up to open and drop
Sophie Devine down to four for ten twenties.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
I think it's probably the most spoken about most questions
that you get asters around who should open the batting
for New Zealand. And she's had something like thirty plus
games for New Zealand, really really struggled at the top.
And again she's someone that has been overloaded with that
development of his skill set. Means she struggled to bat
more than ten fifteen balls and domestic cricket over the
(06:10):
last few years. And I think I was just saying
this to someone before. I feel like there's three warm
up games against Australia, I shouldn't say them warm up games.
So the three games leading and has put that team
and especially her in such good stead that fifty she
saw it scored against Australia. You just saw her after
ten overs just relax and just we've always known that
(06:30):
she's had the talent. She's always looked really great and
it was just around finding a tempo in a way
to bat. And maybe tonight she's lost a little bit
of that composure, but she was still able to scrap
and fight, and anybody else Piney, I think that doesn't
have that same heart and resilience sort of really fallen
over at international cricket. There's so much external noises, so
(06:50):
many discussions about why she shouldn't be there and why
Sophie should be in that position and to be able
to continue that and actually, you know she's stood up
in the opening partnership Bates. He's probably struggled a bit
more around strike crade and George has been that senior
pro in terms of that well and police her from
a leadership perspective at the other end from Sydney Bates.
So it's so cool to see her smile and thrive
(07:12):
and after being under such enormous pressure.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Amazing. Well, they breed them tough in Tawa, as you know, Katie,
there's a few there.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
Yeah, well you know, yes, Sophiels say that she baby
said all of them and she developed them their cricket skills.
But it's a weird place to her, isn't it great?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
All right?
Speaker 4 (07:31):
So South Africa? South Africa in the final.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
That's three o'clock in the morning over here Monday morning
to a lot of people will be getting up to
watch someday for you. They've had a good tournament and
knocked the Australians off on the Seami's how do we
stack up against South Africa?
Speaker 5 (07:44):
Isn't it Another chapter in New Zealand's sporting history with
the proces, whether it's in cricket or rugby. And I'll
be talking about that twenty fifteen men Sidney final for
the next two days and just made me say in
the word choke a couple of times, not too many,
but no, there they're really well led by Laura Wolf
but and I think they've had different players deep over
(08:06):
it up at different times. There a side that wears
their heart on their sleeve. They're passionate, but they're a
really skillful side. I think it's probably going to be
our bowlers come up against their batches, and I think
whoever wins that battle is a team that's be going
to get up on top. So I think, yeah, Marizon Cat,
we haven't seen too much of our and Chloe trying either,
(08:26):
so there are two really destructive players. And I think again,
it just comes down to those key, little crucial moments,
which way does it swing and however it takes that
and however hopefully catches a few more catches at the
outfit I think will be the winning side. But there's
no doubt going to be a lot of passion in
that game.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
It's just one we can't wait for.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I don't think anybody, well not too many anyway, at
the start of the tournament expected New Zealand to be
there right at the end of the Grand Final, but
here we are, South Africa, New Zealand. Three o'clock Monday morning, Katie,
great to chat. Thanks for staying up late for us.
Really appreciate your time.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
Thanks, Funny, appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
No, thank you, Katie.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Katy Martin there from the UAE where I don't know
what time it is, but.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
She stayed up for us. Can we just celebrate the war?
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Itphones into a World Cup final Monday morning at three o'clock.
They will play for silverware. They'll play South Africa.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, Listen live
to News Talk set B weekends from midday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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