The All Blacks aren’t likely to receive a warm welcome at Twickenham.
After falling to the boys in black earlier this year, the English will be aiming to cut them off at the knees to claim the win for themselves.
Piney caught up with former English midfielder Will Greenwood for a chat about the team’s chances in their third clash of the year.
Greenwood says that for England to be considered a world class team, they’ll have to win three out of four matches at home.
“We’ve got to turn over one of you or South Africa, and on form, I think we have to identify a victory over New Zealand as a very realistic, not overly ambitious target.”
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine
from Newstalks ed B.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
We'll get to the football after one, but a rather
big rugby test tomorrow morning, four o'clock New Zealand time,
England against the All Blacks, the first meeting since they
clashed at Eden Park back in July.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Peneraldy of the All Blacks.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Penalty to the All Blacks, Neckberry close a whistle. They
just need to get it into touts Jamie McKenzie kist
and to Touts and the All Blacks when twenty four seventeen,
a dramatic finish at Eiden Park, but the records safety
and the All Blacks win the series to nil and
(00:50):
another drama filled Test match between these two sides.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, twenty four to seventeen at Eden Park, a week
after a sixteen fifteen victory under the roof in Dunedin.
So too narrow wins for the All Blacks to start
Scott robertson tenure as head coach. It's a great pleasure
to welcome back into the show. Rugby World Cup winning
English midfielder, British and Irish Lions representative and astute rugby
(01:16):
analyst will Greenwood mbe well, England could easily have won
one or both of those test matches down here in June.
How much confidence do you think that gave them? And
how much confidence does it does it give you that
England are back among the top few teams in world rugby.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
Yeah, it's such a such a good question because there
was a there was a run. I met with the
CEO Bill Swedey back in February just before the Scotland
game and we looked at England's.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Next ten actually just after.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
The Scotland game that England had lost, we looked at
the next ten tests and wow, Ireland home, France, away, Japan,
New Zealand, New Zealand, New Zealand, South Africa, Australia, Japan,
and thinking, geez, they might that they might only win two?
(02:10):
You could and where do England go next? Because you're
backing a lot of you're backing Steve Porthfwick for the
next World Cup. But flips out of it was there
was starting to be grew green shoots of recovery. They
could win seven or eight, and we set sail and
we start to be spoken about a half decent side.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Now fast forward seven eight months.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
And at the moment the record were last minute drop
call against Ireland and a comfortable and winning against Japan,
but get turned over in France, lose two tests in
New Zealand. It's so difficult to see where England are.
I think for us to be discussed as a decent
world class team, now we have to win three out
(02:53):
of four at home, which sets us up to beat Australia,
to beat Japan, and we've got to turn over one
of you or South Africa and on form I think
we have to identify.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
A victory over New Zealand.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
There's a very realistic, non not overly ambitious target. When
you consider how close we went on your patch and
we have you back at ours.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
How different in England side? Do you suspect this will
be not just in personel, but but in the way
that they play The break that they've had from that
which toured New Zealand earlier in the year.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Not different at all. I see.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
I see the feeling that the way they played with
pace and with tempo and went at New Zealand the
blitz started. I know they don't want to call it
the blitz, but the hard line speed that is sort
of the Felix.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Jones Mark two.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
With Joel Abb the new defense coach, they'll come even harder.
They've rushed Henry Slade back after one game in four
and a half months specifically to lead that charge. So
I see a lot of consistency about the personnel, about
the way they're going to play, and the feeling that, yes,
(04:15):
there's two ways of looking at it. I think Kiwi
fans will go it was a bit of Bolden Barrett
magic in the first Test. England might say we just
coughed up too much pill and made too many mistakes
in the first Test, which allowed Bolden Barrett to win it.
So there's two different ways of looking at it.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
So I really feel England.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
Hugely respective of the all blood, hugely respectful of the
or bloods, of course, but of a mindset led by
someone like Jmie George, who is eternally optimistic, hugely ambitious
and basically as an individual has beaten and won everything
but a World Cup fun a losing finalist in twenty nineteen,
(05:03):
and he would have his charges absolutely categorically believing there
is only one result and that is an England win.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
That's what they will be thinking.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
England haven't played a tests since being down here four
months ago. The All Blacks have played six Rugby Championship
Taste matches plus VG plus Japan and the time since, well,
what's more important freshness or being much hardened?
Speaker 5 (05:27):
So well, if you ask Scott Robertson, it's all about
much hardness and if you ask Steve both the concil
about freshness. I mean, I think the reality is both
arguments have historically won the day. But I think if
you are looking for in the Premier League now we
have this sort of x G expected goal.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
That a team might score and you.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Know Man City are up at two point two per game,
I think there's a scale factor.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Without bringing mathematics.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Into it, there's a scale factor that suggests the benefit
always has to be.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
With the team that has played more recently.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
So absolutely it's it's it's a marginal advantage, but I
think it is absolutely an advantage that sits with New Zealand.
But I think that's counted immediately and then some by
it's it's Twickenham and the last time England played there
they beat Ireland, who I think at the time were
(06:31):
the second best team in the world behind South Africa
and went down to South Africa and drew a Test
Series death.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
So the last time England were there they won.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
They're starting to create a mentality of having a fortress
twicken them. It's not quite a fortress yet, it's more
a stronghold. But they turn up and they see the
Golden Lion. They turn up in the West car Park,
sort of phrases that will mean a lot to English players.
They head into the changing room, they see the old
(07:00):
Victorian claw bats in the changing room, they see the peg.
They've all changed that this is a this is a
well versed team now and they feel that the New
Zealand will have to be absolutely they will acknowledge that
they can be beaten, but they'll still begin starting to
get a feeling that someone will have to be world
(07:20):
class to beat them.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Now. You know, I.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
Read or saw or picked up the New Zealand team.
That's the Rais has picked. I mean like, wow, if
if these if your boys click, it's an unb You've
got an unbelievable footballing.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Team this weekend.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
If you consider that the handling, the ball playing ability
of your pack. Via in the second row, the back row,
Wilson is it sa Titi, Yes, yes, yes, and then.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
I love I love your loose head.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
What I mean people are going to say, well, he's
just a scrumb and you look at the size them
and his footballing ability and his naws.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
So England have to knock you out of your rhythm.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
They have to rape, break their ball up, they have
to break up the set piece, they have to attack
your line out. And that's why I've both to pick
the team he has picked, to go after, to go after,
stick at two, front pod, middle, pop back pod, compete
for everything, Sack Moore's go at the scrum, we have
to disrupt. Look, I think it's I think it's set
(08:36):
up for an unbelievable test'ment. I think New Zealand will
be winning at half time. I think England win.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
All right, let's ay look, I don't think you'll get
too many arguments about how close this is going to
be and you're sorry, right, well, you look at the
New Zealand team on paper, but clicking is the thing
and it hasn't happened across yeah, eighty minutes this year
for the All Blacks under Scott Robertson, what of you was?
What assessment have you made of of of the All
Blacks under Scott Robertson this year?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Yeah, still trying to find uh.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
You know, he was a guard in Canterbury, right, I
mean walks on water and it's but it takes time.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
But that to happen on a huge you know, slightly there.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
I said's slightly easier obviously at a super rugby level
as opposed to Test match level. I think there'll probably
be an element of frustrating. I think Razor would probably
have been wanted to be better, faster and would have
believed he could have got them slightly better, slightly quicker.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
But I'm a.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
Not a disciple and raise, I'm not an apostle. But
I've worked with him very briefly. I'm a huge fan
and I know it'll come and I know at some
stage someone's going to be on the wrong end of
an absolute hiding and he will make New Zealand a force.
I mean you'll say, well, of course you're already at
force because of New Zealand, but I think he can
(09:54):
make this New Zealand squad a force to rival some
of the teams that you've had in the last twenty
twenty five years. I absolutely passionately believe that, so as
an Englishman, I hope it's not this week, But in
terms of their ability, their error count has just I
think as they're trying new things, he's he's he's used
a lot of players who's had a really good look.
(10:17):
He's starting to settle players now, like of the caliber
of Vine in the second row. They're still so young
in their career, but starting to look like, Wow, there's
the next there's the next Brodie retallic Ah. You're just
starting to see combinations work and build selection wise, I
(10:40):
was supremely interested to see that he's gone with the
three barracks but mostly put in Bowden at ten and
McKenzie on the bench because I think, man, that your
boy McKenzie. I would love to have played in a
team with him at ten. And that's saying something when
you're saying I'd have picked him over Boden and and
(11:01):
and perhaps brought Boden off in off the bench. Will
Jordan's a worlding So look, there's so much to like
about this team. You're absolutely right that the kicking game
hasn't quite been right at times. Occasionally the set piece,
certainly the line out against England.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
I think I don't know the numbers, but fell apart.
Uh and that's.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
Why then will be so disappointed they didn't win one
of the tests when they if you control the touchline,
you should win games. So I'm not gonna say I'm
not gonna sit on fence. There's so many different subplots
to this game. I think it's awesome and the reality
I think the whole all black talk is awesome because
(11:38):
you played France, right, you play Ireland on a Friday night,
and who's the fourth game You've got Italy, so you
might have a you might have a nice you playing
that in Rome, or you're going to Juventus for that.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Now that's in Rome. That's the that's the finish.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
Yeah yeah, yeah, So I love the way if you're playing,
but by that stage you hopefully have a pleasant trip
up the Spanish steps Studio Olympic.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
I grew up there. I lived there for the first
five years of my life.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
So my dad was playing scrum number eight for Alga
up against people like Andy Hayden who were also out
in Italy at the time. So your boys will have
a lovely trip to Rome and then you'll they'll all
head off. I know some of them go to Chicago
to c AIG, some of them go to Alid.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Does some of them go.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
To the du Bi sevens that they'll look forward to
Italy game? Your first three games? So what's a successful
tour for New Zealand England? That's Wicken Ireland in Dublin
on a Friday night, France with DuPont back and Italy.
Is a successful tour? I mean, is a successful tour
(12:42):
two wins? Or is the New Zealand public No, The
only way a successful tour it's successful is you win
all four. I think if you win three of four,
I think you have to. With the caliber that you're
up against on in terms of world rankings and where
you're playing, I think three from four will be a
heck of a heck of a return.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah, I think most people like be here agree will.
But given the fact we lost to South Africa twice
and Argentina at home, I'm not sure there's a heck
of a lot of wiggle room for Scott Robertson. But
we are very much looking forward to what lies ahead.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
Just a really quick question when you say I'm fascinated
about that, When you say there's not a lot of
wiggle room.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
What do you say.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
You're not saying like Eric ten Hagen, Ratcliffe and inoson
there and he's under pressure.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
He's not under pressure at all for his job, is he? No?
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
But when he said, when you say.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
Wiggle room, up here we go, I start to think,
what are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (13:41):
No, I think I think what I was suggesting was,
let's just say they lost two against two of the
tests against England, France Island. That would be five losses
in a calendar year, which, as you know will Is,
you know, would be frowned upon down these parts.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Yes, yeah, good, But.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
He has enough credit in the bank that people know
he's going to get.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
You've got to you've got to know. Oh, you're such
a tough public. You don't know, do you.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
You don't know, and you're not and you're not sure,
and you're already whispering.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
And the North Island have already turned on.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
Him, haven't they. They've already gone. We knew it would
never work.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Come on, raise it. He'll get there, he'll break dance.
Oh you you've got such a good handle on us.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Well, it's always such a pleasure chating rag Vita mate,
thanks so much for joining us across New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Pleasure boys take her and girls take care.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Good on you all. Thanks and Ded you take care
of as well. I should have meet you right at
the end. That Rome test is in Turin, not in Rome.
It's late tist as in children, not in Rome. My
apologies will, but.
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
We'll get to the football after one, but a rather
big rugby test tomorrow morning, four o'clock New Zealand time,
England against the All Blacks, the first meeting since they
clashed at Eden Park back in July.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Peneraldy of the All Blacks.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Penalty to the All Blacks, Neckberry close a whistle. They
just need to get it into touts Jamie McKenzie kist
and to Touts and the All Blacks when twenty four seventeen,
a dramatic finish at Eiden Park, but the records safety
and the All Blacks win the series to nil and
(00:50):
another drama filled Test match between these two sides.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, twenty four to seventeen at Eden Park, a week
after a sixteen fifteen victory under the roof in Dunedin.
So too narrow wins for the All Blacks to start
Scott robertson tenure as head coach. It's a great pleasure
to welcome back into the show. Rugby World Cup winning
English midfielder, British and Irish Lions representative and astute rugby
(01:16):
analyst will Greenwood mbe well, England could easily have won
one or both of those test matches down here in June.
How much confidence do you think that gave them? And
how much confidence does it does it give you that
England are back among the top few teams in world rugby.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
Yeah, it's such a such a good question because there
was a there was a run. I met with the
CEO Bill Swedey back in February just before the Scotland
game and we looked at England's.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Next ten actually just after.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
The Scotland game that England had lost, we looked at
the next ten tests and wow, Ireland home, France, away, Japan,
New Zealand, New Zealand, New Zealand, South Africa, Australia, Japan,
and thinking, geez, they might that they might only win two?
(02:10):
You could and where do England go next? Because you're
backing a lot of you're backing Steve Porthfwick for the
next World Cup. But flips out of it was there
was starting to be grew green shoots of recovery. They
could win seven or eight, and we set sail and
we start to be spoken about a half decent side.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Now fast forward seven eight months.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
And at the moment the record were last minute drop
call against Ireland and a comfortable and winning against Japan,
but get turned over in France, lose two tests in
New Zealand. It's so difficult to see where England are.
I think for us to be discussed as a decent
world class team, now we have to win three out
(02:53):
of four at home, which sets us up to beat Australia,
to beat Japan, and we've got to turn over one
of you or South Africa and on form I think
we have to identify.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
A victory over New Zealand.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
There's a very realistic, non not overly ambitious target. When
you consider how close we went on your patch and
we have you back at ours.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
How different in England side? Do you suspect this will
be not just in personel, but but in the way
that they play The break that they've had from that
which toured New Zealand earlier in the year.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Not different at all. I see.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
I see the feeling that the way they played with
pace and with tempo and went at New Zealand the
blitz started. I know they don't want to call it
the blitz, but the hard line speed that is sort
of the Felix.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Jones Mark two.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
With Joel Abb the new defense coach, they'll come even harder.
They've rushed Henry Slade back after one game in four
and a half months specifically to lead that charge. So
I see a lot of consistency about the personnel, about
the way they're going to play, and the feeling that, yes,
(04:15):
there's two ways of looking at it. I think Kiwi
fans will go it was a bit of Bolden Barrett
magic in the first Test. England might say we just
coughed up too much pill and made too many mistakes
in the first Test, which allowed Bolden Barrett to win it.
So there's two different ways of looking at it.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
So I really feel England.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
Hugely respective of the all blood, hugely respectful of the
or bloods, of course, but of a mindset led by
someone like Jmie George, who is eternally optimistic, hugely ambitious
and basically as an individual has beaten and won everything
but a World Cup fun a losing finalist in twenty nineteen,
(05:03):
and he would have his charges absolutely categorically believing there
is only one result and that is an England win.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
That's what they will be thinking.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
England haven't played a tests since being down here four
months ago. The All Blacks have played six Rugby Championship
Taste matches plus VG plus Japan and the time since, well,
what's more important freshness or being much hardened?
Speaker 5 (05:27):
So well, if you ask Scott Robertson, it's all about
much hardness and if you ask Steve both the concil
about freshness. I mean, I think the reality is both
arguments have historically won the day. But I think if
you are looking for in the Premier League now we
have this sort of x G expected goal.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
That a team might score and you.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Know Man City are up at two point two per game,
I think there's a scale factor.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Without bringing mathematics.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Into it, there's a scale factor that suggests the benefit
always has to be.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
With the team that has played more recently.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
So absolutely it's it's it's a marginal advantage, but I
think it is absolutely an advantage that sits with New Zealand.
But I think that's counted immediately and then some by
it's it's Twickenham and the last time England played there
they beat Ireland, who I think at the time were
(06:31):
the second best team in the world behind South Africa
and went down to South Africa and drew a Test
Series death.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
So the last time England were there they won.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
They're starting to create a mentality of having a fortress
twicken them. It's not quite a fortress yet, it's more
a stronghold. But they turn up and they see the
Golden Lion. They turn up in the West car Park,
sort of phrases that will mean a lot to English players.
They head into the changing room, they see the old
(07:00):
Victorian claw bats in the changing room, they see the peg.
They've all changed that this is a this is a
well versed team now and they feel that the New
Zealand will have to be absolutely they will acknowledge that
they can be beaten, but they'll still begin starting to
get a feeling that someone will have to be world
(07:20):
class to beat them.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Now. You know, I.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
Read or saw or picked up the New Zealand team.
That's the Rais has picked. I mean like, wow, if
if these if your boys click, it's an unb You've
got an unbelievable footballing.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Team this weekend.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
If you consider that the handling, the ball playing ability
of your pack. Via in the second row, the back row,
Wilson is it sa Titi, Yes, yes, yes, and then.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
I love I love your loose head.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
What I mean people are going to say, well, he's
just a scrumb and you look at the size them
and his footballing ability and his naws.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
So England have to knock you out of your rhythm.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
They have to rape, break their ball up, they have
to break up the set piece, they have to attack
your line out. And that's why I've both to pick
the team he has picked, to go after, to go after,
stick at two, front pod, middle, pop back pod, compete
for everything, Sack Moore's go at the scrum, we have
to disrupt. Look, I think it's I think it's set
(08:36):
up for an unbelievable test'ment. I think New Zealand will
be winning at half time. I think England win.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
All right, let's ay look, I don't think you'll get
too many arguments about how close this is going to
be and you're sorry, right, well, you look at the
New Zealand team on paper, but clicking is the thing
and it hasn't happened across yeah, eighty minutes this year
for the All Blacks under Scott Robertson, what of you was?
What assessment have you made of of of the All
Blacks under Scott Robertson this year?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Yeah, still trying to find uh.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
You know, he was a guard in Canterbury, right, I
mean walks on water and it's but it takes time.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
But that to happen on a huge you know, slightly there.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
I said's slightly easier obviously at a super rugby level
as opposed to Test match level. I think there'll probably
be an element of frustrating. I think Razor would probably
have been wanted to be better, faster and would have
believed he could have got them slightly better, slightly quicker.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
But I'm a.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
Not a disciple and raise, I'm not an apostle. But
I've worked with him very briefly. I'm a huge fan
and I know it'll come and I know at some
stage someone's going to be on the wrong end of
an absolute hiding and he will make New Zealand a force.
I mean you'll say, well, of course you're already at
force because of New Zealand, but I think he can
(09:54):
make this New Zealand squad a force to rival some
of the teams that you've had in the last twenty
twenty five years. I absolutely passionately believe that, so as
an Englishman, I hope it's not this week, But in
terms of their ability, their error count has just I
think as they're trying new things, he's he's he's used
a lot of players who's had a really good look.
(10:17):
He's starting to settle players now, like of the caliber
of Vine in the second row. They're still so young
in their career, but starting to look like, Wow, there's
the next there's the next Brodie retallic Ah. You're just
starting to see combinations work and build selection wise, I
(10:40):
was supremely interested to see that he's gone with the
three barracks but mostly put in Bowden at ten and
McKenzie on the bench because I think, man, that your
boy McKenzie. I would love to have played in a
team with him at ten. And that's saying something when
you're saying I'd have picked him over Boden and and
(11:01):
and perhaps brought Boden off in off the bench. Will
Jordan's a worlding So look, there's so much to like
about this team. You're absolutely right that the kicking game
hasn't quite been right at times. Occasionally the set piece,
certainly the line out against England.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
I think I don't know the numbers, but fell apart.
Uh and that's.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
Why then will be so disappointed they didn't win one
of the tests when they if you control the touchline,
you should win games. So I'm not gonna say I'm
not gonna sit on fence. There's so many different subplots
to this game. I think it's awesome and the reality
I think the whole all black talk is awesome because
(11:38):
you played France, right, you play Ireland on a Friday night,
and who's the fourth game You've got Italy, so you
might have a you might have a nice you playing
that in Rome, or you're going to Juventus for that.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Now that's in Rome. That's the that's the finish.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
Yeah yeah, yeah, So I love the way if you're playing,
but by that stage you hopefully have a pleasant trip
up the Spanish steps Studio Olympic.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
I grew up there. I lived there for the first
five years of my life.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
So my dad was playing scrum number eight for Alga
up against people like Andy Hayden who were also out
in Italy at the time. So your boys will have
a lovely trip to Rome and then you'll they'll all
head off. I know some of them go to Chicago
to c AIG, some of them go to Alid.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Does some of them go.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
To the du Bi sevens that they'll look forward to
Italy game? Your first three games? So what's a successful
tour for New Zealand England? That's Wicken Ireland in Dublin
on a Friday night, France with DuPont back and Italy.
Is a successful tour? I mean, is a successful tour
(12:42):
two wins? Or is the New Zealand public No, The
only way a successful tour it's successful is you win
all four. I think if you win three of four,
I think you have to. With the caliber that you're
up against on in terms of world rankings and where
you're playing, I think three from four will be a
heck of a heck of a return.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah, I think most people like be here agree will.
But given the fact we lost to South Africa twice
and Argentina at home, I'm not sure there's a heck
of a lot of wiggle room for Scott Robertson. But
we are very much looking forward to what lies ahead.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
Just a really quick question when you say I'm fascinated
about that, When you say there's not a lot of
wiggle room.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
What do you say.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
You're not saying like Eric ten Hagen, Ratcliffe and inoson
there and he's under pressure.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
He's not under pressure at all for his job, is he? No?
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
But when he said, when you say.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
Wiggle room, up here we go, I start to think,
what are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (13:41):
No, I think I think what I was suggesting was,
let's just say they lost two against two of the
tests against England, France Island. That would be five losses
in a calendar year, which, as you know will Is,
you know, would be frowned upon down these parts.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Yes, yeah, good, But.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
He has enough credit in the bank that people know
he's going to get.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
You've got to you've got to know. Oh, you're such
a tough public. You don't know, do you.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
You don't know, and you're not and you're not sure,
and you're already whispering.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
And the North Island have already turned on.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
Him, haven't they. They've already gone. We knew it would
never work.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Come on, raise it. He'll get there, he'll break dance.
Oh you you've got such a good handle on us.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Well, it's always such a pleasure chating rag Vita mate,
thanks so much for joining us across New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Pleasure boys take her and girls take care.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Good on you all. Thanks and Ded you take care
of as well. I should have meet you right at
the end. That Rome test is in Turin, not in Rome.
It's late tist as in children, not in Rome. My
apologies will, but.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Great to chat to you for more from Weekend Sport
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