Part One: The International Church of: Drink Bleach

In Episode 74, Robert is joined by comedian, Billy Wayne Davis to discuss Reverend Jim Humble and his bleach drinking church.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hmm, what's poisoning my children? I'm Robert Evans hosted Behind
the Bastards, the show where every week I try a
different intro that often ties into the theme of the episode,
but not always, but does in this case. This is
also a podcast where you talk about the very worst
people in all of history. And my guest today is

(00:21):
Billy Wayne Davis. Good morning. We should should have had
an air horn in there. That. Very frustrated with myself
for not planning that ahead of time, doing post Yeah, well,
we'll do it in post. Uh yeah, we'll put some
air horns over us, saying we'll do it in post
in post two so that people can't tell that we
had to talk about this. This will just be like

(00:43):
thirty seconds air horns. We're making salsadge right here in
front airbudy. People say, you don't want to see how
the sausage is made, but then how would you know
that it is essentially the same process as poop. It is,
m it is and it's oddly satisfying if you oh, yeah, yeah,
it is much like poop. Yeah yeah yeah. That's one

(01:06):
of those cliches like, well, I don't believe that now Billy,
I couldn't see because I'm not in the room with y'all.
But but how was Sophie's reaction to the intro of
this episode. She said this, the double thumbs down with
the roll, the double thumbs down with the eye roll.
There's really unhappy nodding. Yes, proud nodding. Okay, well, at

(01:30):
least she's proud about my ability to interpret her hand gestures. Uh,
you know, Billy, this is your second time on the show,
and the first time you came on, we talked about
a little fella named Gary Young and uh little tree
head as tree as you named him. Yeah, yeah, what's
the farmer's nickname for Yeah, the farmer's nickname for him?

(01:52):
And I had a lot of fun talking about that
scammer who was performing unlicensed surgery on people and uh
medicaid them with poison. And so I feel like that
can kind of be our thing, is talking about fake
doctors who medicate people with poison. Yeah, that's like I
have this thing with this guy. It's pretty cool. That's yeah,

(02:14):
I have this thing. We talk about grifters who poisoned children.
It's a it's a hoot. You know that you can
just work on children. You can just do that. You
can just do that. No one's going to stop you.
It is a perfect description of like what you can't
teach children. It's like you teach children like, hey, you
can't do that, you can't do that, and what they
hear is like you cannot do that. And then you
get to a certain age like oh, you can do anything.

(02:37):
You're just not supposed to do stuff. Yeah, people get
angry at you, but you can just not listen to
those people. Uh yeah, And that's that's really the gonna
be the long term impact. I think of our current
president on the national psyche is like its like before
we would say anybody can be president and like wouldn't

(02:59):
really mean it, And now it's like, no, anybody can
be anything. If you just say it, you say it
a bunch evidently the sacred that's real. It's it's like
our our language, the English language is the only one
that where if you say, oh, where, if you use
a word incorrectly long enough, it becomes the correct way
to use it. Yeah, that's just the way we've decided

(03:23):
our society works. And if you tell the right lie
long enough, it becomes true. Yeah. So it's uh, it's
it's pretty cool that the world works that way. Well,
I'm gonna start reading this script, Philly. Uh, let's get
into it now. I wrote a little prepared thing up

(03:43):
at the start, so I'm just gonna charge forward. Billy,
Do you have cancer, no, lyme disease, MERSA, multiple sclerosis,
any kind of hepatitis, HIV, Parkinson's malaria. I'm not. I mean,
I know you're responding, but I'm not going to listen
to your responses because I assume that in our workaday,
disease a day world, the answer is maybe. And if so,

(04:04):
I have a solution for your health woes. Good because
I had bleach. Lots of bleach, as much bleach as
you can possibly fit inside your body. However much bleach
you start drinking, drink more bleach than that. Do you know?
That is the same advice that my funnest drug using

(04:24):
friends I used to tell me about how to get
a job. It was like, bleach, just drink. That's just
drink bleach, You'll get a job. That that that's what
your drug using friends, the fun on the funnest one,
the fun ones without jobs and ship that was always there,
like just drink bleach, man, So you need you haven't
missed the discounts since I've known you. Well, uh, now,

(04:50):
I I actually I obviously I don't want anyone to
drink bleach in the hope of curing their serious illnesses.
It does not work. But I I afted that beautiful
introduction because there are people out in the world right
now who sell industrial bleach as a cure all for
what ails you and thousands of otherwise presumably functional human

(05:11):
beings believe these claims and drink bleach regularly out of
the belief that it is a God provided healing elixir.
So today we will be talking about miracle, mineral solution,
and the genesis to church of Reverend Jim Humble. Oh man,
he's there's so many good words in what you just said.
Genesis to that one too. Oh yeah, yeah, that's critical

(05:36):
to go on. Okay, And then Reverend Jim Humble and
you're like, yeah, God, damn it, I can't. Yeah. He's
also he's also called Archbishop Humble, an Archbishop Reverend Jim
Humble um soddy. Well, I mean, as you might have

(05:58):
guessed by the titles, he is a reverend and an
archbishop of the of the Genesis to Church. He's also
a billion year old space god who, for reasons known
only to him, has decided to take on the form
of an elderly con man. Uh in pictures which I'm
gonna have Sophie show you in a second, though you
don't see it coming from the old man. There. You
don't see it coming from the old man. And I'm

(06:21):
interested in your take on his description. I would describe
him as looking like a cross between dying Burt Reynolds,
a southern plantation owner, and a New Mexican turquoise salesman.
Like yeah, like an alien designed Yeah, I mean he
looks like he has he's really He's got a couple
of self released country music albums too, Yeah Banjoe Heavy,

(06:45):
but he does not play the banjo in them. Um yeah,
probably still it was one of the first people to
get the Internet, but still using that same technology that
he used it to get today. Yeah. And in the
pictures I've got of him, and I don't know what
order those pictures were taken, he looks older in the
top one and younger in the bottom, and on the

(07:06):
younger one he's wearing the same hat in both but
on the one where he looks younger, he has a
giant piece of turquoise on the hat. And I like
to think that the turquoise made him younger, um, and
that that picture was actually taken after the first, But
I don't know. That's just the same day. Put the
turquoise on his hat just rejuvenated him. Yeah, you just
say the results, do it? Take it, take the picture.

(07:29):
That's what everyone I've met at a gas station in
Albuquerque has told me. Turquoise will make you younger, and
you can smoke it. You can definitely smoke turquoise. That's
also what they tell you in Albuquerque. Here's some turquoise.
You can smoke it if you want. You could smoke it. Really,
the most common sentence you're going to hear in Albuquerque,
New Mexico is you can smoke it if you want.

(07:50):
And from tourists going this place is weirder than I
thought it would be. Yeah, I do love Albuquerque. It
is weird as I and not in its super weird,
like this is dangerous, isn't it? Yeah? Just bizarre. Yeah,
it's the It's the most swat teams I've ever seen

(08:10):
in a single day. Has been in Albuquerque, New Mexico,
which also has my favorite head shops, So shouts out
to Albuquerque. They do have, yes, next to the University
m Yeah, yeah, there's some great ones. Now. I'm not
sure when Archbishop Reverend Jim Humble was born or where.
On his own websites, he claims to have started working

(08:33):
in the health and nutrition industry when he was in
his twenties and became the manager of a health food
store in Los Angeles, California, So we can you can
kind of guess by managing a health food store in
Los Angeles, California, like where you're going to go from there?
I think that's got a job has about grifter and
if you're an alien trying to blend in pretty good place.

(08:54):
Well yeah, I mean we learned that from the documentary
Earth Girls Are Easy, starring Jeff Goldblum, So it's a
good place to blend in as l A at a
Nate the health food story'd be like, okay, well no
one looks like a human in here, So yeah, l
l A is the one place where, in like line
at the Ralph's, you can see a guy in a
three piece suit, a woman wearing a Parka and a

(09:16):
shirtless dude bleeding from a cut on his chest, and
none of them will stand out. It's just like, yep,
all the same energy exactly. Yes, hurry up. Yeah. Judging
by Jim's age, he probably have been working in that
health food store sometime around the nineteen seventies or nineteen eighties.
But again, I have no way of knowing, because I

(09:37):
just have no idea how old this man is or
what his actual background is. According to Reverend Humble's website quote,
he authored a two hundred question nutritional evaluation test that
determined the vitamins, minerals, proteins, and fats a person's body
might be deficient in. The test was later computerized and
was considered by many to be the most accurate method
of determining deficiencies known at the time. Over the years,

(09:59):
Jim has maintained his interest in alternative health and worked
with various healing modalities, including healing his own broken neck
and record time using magnets. I love where that paragraph goes.
I just like the thought of like him trying to
do it and somebody's like Jim stop, He's like, hold up,
I'm gonna do it, and just one person like no, no no, no,

(10:22):
let him try, Let him try try. Uh. And I'm
wondering what the record for healing or broken neck was
imagining these doctors there, like shit, I mean, I'm saying before,
but never that fast. Oh boy, So that's just great.

(10:44):
Jim's incredible career continued beyond working at a grocery store
and healing his own broken neck with magnets. He claims
to have gotten a job as a research engineer in
the aerospace industry, a claim I can find no evidence
to back up. Uh. There's actually like zero evidence aside
from Jim's word for most of the details of his background,
so please keep that in mind. Shocking. Jim claims on

(11:06):
his website quote, he worked on the first intercontinental missile,
wrote instruction manuals for the first vacuum tube computers, worked
on secret radio control electronics, and dozens of other state
of the art electronic products at Hughes Aircraft Company, Northrop Aircraft,
General Motors, research defense laboratories, and others. Did the magnets
zapp that in that knowledge into him? Yeah, I think

(11:28):
he he healed his broken neck with a magnet and
it taught him how to make the first missile. I mean,
because that is quite a jump from like I worked
at this health food store too, Yeah, I work at Skunkworks.
Yeah yeah, from like a guy bagging your groceries to
the first I CBM. Yeah yeah, the guy that where
I worked, the guy that bagged my groceries at Trader Joe's. Yeah,

(11:51):
he made the missile going to Mars and Huntsville. That's
that's what he was studying for it, Trader Joe's. I
can't even tell if you're joking, just just knowing Huntsville. Yeah, yeah,
and oddly enough true of both Huntsville, Texas and Huntsville, Alabama. Yes, yes, yeah,
it is a good point. Yeah. Now, Jim says he,

(12:15):
uh he spent twenty years in aerospace missile design before
deciding to get into gold mining, which is a natural
career evolution. Uh So, his arc so far is grocery
store guy, missile designer gold mining. His goal, he says,
was to find ways to recover gold without using mercury,
because he thought that would be better off for the
health of the miners, which is very nice of him,

(12:37):
and I think he's gone. Yeah, I mean, the mercury
in any time you're having less mercury. I I support that,
which is weird for a health foods guy. I expected
him to be like urging people to drink mercury, but
so far he's on the right side of history. Uh.
While prospecting in South America, he discovered the solution that
would come to be known as m m S or

(12:59):
mirror a mineral solution. He called it a simple health
formula that cured malaria. So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Now
MMS is this? Oh yes, he claims tens of thousands.
Will be getting to that in a minute here, So
I want to talk about what m MS is for
a second. Uh, It's essentially industrial bleach. To be precise,

(13:22):
it is sodium chlorite and distilled water mixed with some
form of citric acids such as the acid and orange juice,
which turns the sodium chlorite into chlorine dioxide on its own.
Sodium chlorite is not the worst thing to put in
your body, provided it has been properly diluted. It's not
great for you, but it's a good water purifier. So

(13:42):
if you're like hiking through the Congo and you need
to refill your canteen from a stream, putting you know,
sodium chlorite and some water will stop you from getting gutworms.
H Chlorine dioxide is basically a more intense version of that.
The FDA describes it as a potent bleach, used for
stripping textiles and industrial water treatment. It is used to
sterilize water in huge quantities, but only safe to ingest

(14:05):
if again, extremely deluded. If a reverend tells you to yeah,
or if a reverend tells you to be as long
as that reverends an archbishop. Yeah. Jim Humble claims that
in Africa he discovered that taken internally, chlorine dioxide kills malaria. Uh.
He started by dosing people in Guyana, but the Guyanan
government stopped him from treating people because, according to Jim Humble,

(14:29):
US pharmacy companies threatened to stop sending medicine to their
hospitals because he was crying people of their malaria. Um,
my guests might be they just didn't want to unregulated
gold mining. Reverend uh giving people bleach, but the people
of our country bleach. Did you stop that? She stopped

(14:49):
bleaching their destines? Please, you can keep you can keep
doing what you're gonna. Just stop that one, just stop
the bleaching. Next, Jim Humble says he moved on to Kenya,
in Uganda, Sierra Leone then and Tanzania and Malawi, treating
more than a hundred thousand people with bleach for their malaria.
Outside of the Guyanan government. He says he also faced

(15:10):
resistance from other missionaries. Quote, a couple of missionaries decided
I was evil and told all the missionaries in the area.
So that sort of slowed things down. They click, you
quit using the MMS. People didn't get treated. One woman
came to me with pain in her hands. She put
her hand on mine and I said, can you feel
my fingers? Oh, the pain's going away. I can feel
the tingling. A missionary came in and said stop it,

(15:32):
stop it. She decided I was evil. So that's a
Jim Humble's recitation of both his use of MMS to
cure things and how he learned that he could heal
by laying on hands. That's in there too. So yeah,
he's having a good time. He's having a good time.
He's just going through Africa, touching people, making him drink

(15:53):
bleach and yeah, they're only just telling like, hey, you
stop it. Yeah, they're they're polite and nice people. They're
not murdering him for trying to poison them. Yeah, and
he's still like, you guys would be a dish. You
guys be a dicks. Why won't you let me bleach people?
I got all this bleach. I came here to find
gold and I couldn't find any. Let me just bleach

(16:15):
some people. I just I just want to bleach a
couple of people. I didn't build rockets for nothing, so uh.
It was during his time in Africa that Jim learned
to heal be a touch as well as bleach water. Quote.
I developed the technique for healing by touch. The basic
theory is that the brain controls all of the healing

(16:35):
in your body. So if you can increase the communication
between the brain in the area that's bad, it will
heal faster in minutes. Sometimes he describes it as a
little bit like Greeky but not really, which is very
scientific of a very detailed, detailed description. It's like that,
but it's not. I love the theory that, like, your

(16:56):
brain is capable of healing all illness, but it's just
kind of lazy and until somebody like who's like shakes
it and he was like, no, fix his leg. Well
until you break your neck and then put it back together.
Then you're like, oh, I know how to use that part.
No one else don't me and that that alien from
e t yeah to hear Jim tell it. After solving

(17:19):
the problem of malaria once and for all, he began
to realize that his industrial bleach solutions seemed to be
the treatment for all of mankind's illnesses. On his website,
he writes it has proven to restore partial or full
health to hundreds of thousands of people suffering from a
wide range of disease, including cancer, diabetes, hepatitis A, b C,
lime disease, MERSA, multiple sclerosis, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, HIV, AIDS, malaria, autism,

(17:43):
infections of all kinds, arthritis, high cholesterol, acid reflux, kidney
or livery diseases, aches and pains, allergies, urinary tract infections,
digestive problems, high blood pressure, obesity, parasites, tumors, insists, depressions,
sinus problems, i A disease, ear infection, ding, gay fever,
getting problems, dental issues, problems with a prostate, a rectile,

(18:03):
this function, and the list goes on, which is quite
a quite a list. Yeah, yeah, I would say so.
Uh He's like, it's like CBD, yeah, and like CBD.
If you you can put bleach water and your fucking
ice cream if you want, it's all good. Yeah about

(18:25):
some Willie Nelson bleach coffee the other day, it's great.
This really none of us has been prepared for the
world of nineteen except for Willie Nelson, Like I feel
like someone woke him up one morning about six months
ago and said, Willie, it's happened. People are putting pot
in everything. And he rows out of bed and my

(18:45):
time has come. And he just said, sending the trucks
out there loading their loaded. They've been ready for twenty
damn years. Tarps, dust, tarps. Jerry Reid wakes up. Now,
that sounds like a pretty comprehensive list of the thing
that bleach water treats. But Jim wants to make sure
you know that it's not a comprehensive list. He says,

(19:05):
I know it sounds too good to be true, but
according to feedback I have received over the last twenty years,
I think it's safe to say MMS has the potential
to overcome most diseases known to man. So that's whoa
humble yeah. Now, interestingly enough, he does seem to veer
away from those claims a little bit in the very
next paragraph, protecting himself by FDA scrutiny, by writing, it

(19:26):
is important to note that MMS does not cure diseases.
M m S is an oxidizer. It kills pathogens and
destroys poisons. When these are reduced or eliminated in the body,
then the body can function properly and thereby heal. I
often say the body heals the body. MMS helps to
line things up just so the body can do that.
Often say this because my lawyer said, I had to

(19:49):
go and we will see. He is not consistent about it,
but you know it is consistent. Billy Wayne Davis would
the products and services who support this program and or series.
But I hope it's oil refineries. I need a new one.
Oh yeah, I hope it's an oil refinery to either

(20:10):
that or an industrial bleach company, because I could use
both of those. Actually, yeah, yeah, exactly. And when you
get the oil on your clothing, you want the bleach.
And when you get the cancer from the oil, you
also want the bleach. You can drink it, you can dream.
That's you've just figured out the next ad campaign. Bleach,

(20:30):
Just drink it, Just drink it or products. We're back.
We're talking about Reverend Archbishop Jim Humble. He's not a
Southerner as far as I can tell, but I can't

(20:50):
pronounce his name without letting my accent slip out a
little bit. Jim Humble, he just he did take the
folksy of a Southern he is. It's ingratiating, is what
it is. He's not dumb. Yeah, yeah, it's what I
can I can already see the big white uh like
circus style tents and a giant sign saying Reverend Humbles

(21:13):
uh Revival Crusade or something like that, Like out in
the out in the middle of fucking some sort of
country land in Georgia nineteen seventies, a bunch of old
Cadillacs pulled up people paying thirty dollars for blue hunks
of scarf that the reverend spits on or whatever. Yeah. Yeah,
and he was like early investor in Branson. Oh yeah,

(21:36):
he made that happen. Yeah, yeah, he's He's put a
lot of money into Branson, Yes, but I got it back.
I got it back. Most of our listeners will probably
not have heard of Branson, Missoura. It's essentially Los Angeles
for old people who don't like cursing. Las Vegas, Las
Vegas for old people who don't like cursing, Los Angeles

(21:56):
for old people. I would fucking like to go to
Loss Hiteless for old people. Isn't that just uh, it's
just it's just palm Springs or Desert palm Springs. Yeah,
neither was a p name in there, right. It's probably
not that Reverend Jim Humble protects himself from his selling

(22:18):
bleach business by claiming on his website that it is
not a cure or a treatment for disease in order
to protect himself from regulation. An additional layer of protection
is provided by the fact that the reverend's genesis to
church does not seem to actually sell Miracle Mineral Solution directly.
They make most of their money by selling tickets to conventions,
like the one they held in a Calgary hotel in

(22:39):
March of two eighteen. Quote organizers declined to speak to
CBC News about the meeting or whether MMS was being
sold or given to delegates who paid three and fifty
dollars US to attend the two days session last month.
The online agenda for the meeting said doses of MMS
might be handed out. We might just surprise everyone so
often with a dose of MMS. One be read the itinerary.

(23:01):
So not selling bleach water for you to drink, Billy,
And how dare you assume that they are. They're selling
tickets where you can learn how to sell bleach water
to people, and maybe they'll give you some free bleach water.
You might might show it, might show up. There might
be bleach water at this bleach drinking convention. It is

(23:22):
the cardboard cut out Donald Trump of Wow. Yeah. I
try to put myself in the heads of people who
are different than me on a pretty regular basis. I
think it's a healthy thing to do. I've never been
able to get myself in the head of someone who
take a picture with a cardboard cut out of Donald Trump.
I just don't. I just don't know. No, I don't. Yes,

(23:48):
I found myself doing that. That is a fun game
because most people I can relate to on some level
about everything, and then every down there and you're like,
I don't get it. I don't get what cardboard cutout
people I have trouble relating to or airport autographed people.
Wait wait, oh, you mean people who like approach celebrities
at the airport, but like, but not because they're fans,

(24:11):
just because they see it and are like, well I
have to get an autograph where I'm wasting this opportunity. No,
these are like professional people that have like they'll have
a messenger bag with headshots of just different famous people
and if they see them at the airport, approached them
and say, hey, well he signed this. That's fucking nuts.
I didn't know that was a thing that happened. I've

(24:32):
seen it. I mean I'm in and out of l
a X A lot. So the first time I saw it,
I was like, what is that? Like I wanted to
go interrupt, That's how curious I was about what was
I was like, what the fund is? This? Is this
your life? Man? Yeah? And then like quit bothering that lady.
You know it's but she was, you know, they were
all very happy to do it. So it was like,
this weird. But I've seen it since, and I've seen

(24:53):
them standing there when I leave a lot of times
where I'm like, God, it's so weird. See, I think
the fun thing to do with that would be to
become that guy but only have pictures of LaVar Burton
and mistake every famous person for LaVar Burton. It's like,
go up to Kiana Reeves and like, would you sign this?
I'm a huge Yeah, Keanu Reeves will do anything to

(25:15):
get a smile. Um, yeah, just just just get everyone
to sign LaVar Burton's picture and then have a website
that's just Here are all of the different celebrities I've
gotten to sign photos of LaVar Burton. Here are the
politest celebrities in existence. Yeah, this is everyone nice enough
to not question me. Okay, sure, I don't know if

(25:35):
he thinks is this is this an Ashton thing? So uh,
let's let's let's talk a little bit more about how
the Genesis two churches able to sell people drinking bleach
without getting in trouble for selling people drinking bleach. Now
I ask the Genesis. Yes, I mean, and it may
be a dumb question, but is it an actual church

(25:55):
or is it like an organization that they're going around? Uh?
You know, um, And a little bit we'll get to
more of what the Genesis to churches, and then we
can revisit that question and you can decide for yourself
what what exactly it is, because I'm not sure how
to classify the Genesis to church, Billy Wayne, I will

(26:17):
tell you that right now. It is a conversation. Yeah.
So it is of course illegal to sell people bleach
for internal use, because that would be selling poison. Genesis too,
gets around this by having a separate entity sell their
miracle bleach drink. Online, I found a Pathos article written
by Katie Joy called the Sneaky Way at Church sells

(26:39):
Illegal Medicine. She traces out what seems to me to
be a very plausible chain of custody for how this
bleach gets from the Genesis to church to major retailers
like eBay and Amazon. It starts with a brick and
mortar business called Kiev's Corner, which appears to be basically
a corner store based on Lake Placid, Florida. Katie noticed
that the owners of Kiev's Corner both that Keevy's Corner

(27:01):
sells MMS presumably like they say it's for water purification,
but like you know, they sell it, and the owners
of the store are Facebook friends with the co founder
of the Genesis to Church, Mark Grennan. She also noticed
that Mark Grennan lives in Sarasota, Florida, which is thirty
miles from Kiev's Corner. Next, Katie started digging into the
bevy of different Amazon and eBay sellers who actually sell

(27:23):
the bulk of the MMS solutions that get distributed via
the Internet, and she realized very quickly that all of
the different vendors were based out of either sarah Sota
or Lake Placid, Florida. So her conclusion was that Kiev's
Corner is likely being used by the church is a
legitimate retailer to sell bulk MMS to a small network
of vendors who then put the products up on eBay
and Amazon and funnel profits back into the church. Uh

(27:46):
And of course, to Reverend Archbishop Gold scientists Jim Humble,
so why just run a legitimate business because you can't
sell Drinking bleach is a legitimate business, but you could
sell coffee. That's addictive. That you could coffee seems like
a much better business than drinking bleachers Foundation, I know

(28:10):
my coffee addiction is killingly killing me, just like I
know my cigar addiction is killing me. I know my
creative addiction is killing me. I know my nitrous oxide
addiction is killing me. I know my alcohol addiction is
killing me. But I don't have any anger at the
companies that provide me with those drugs, because we all
understand the bargain. Tricking people into drinking poison is so

(28:30):
much worse than just selling honest poison. It is love
honest poison because people will buy honest poison. M M exactly.
I go into the store and I see an ad
for my favorite kind of tequila, and I'm like, that's
a poison I can respect. It is weird. It's weird
that disconnect. Yeah, why can't you just this is America.

(28:54):
You can sell so many poisons legitimately, Why do you
have to pick one that doesn't provide a bit of it? Actually? Yeah,
that you have to trick people into buying most You
just say this poison makes you feel good for a
limited time. Most of the time, it makes you feel
like ship and people are like, but how long do
I feel good? Oh? No, You'll have a solid Friday

(29:16):
night deal deal from sucking in, But Saturday Sunday it's
gonna suck. I don't give a ship fawn. Yeah, exactly. Uh.
In her article, Katie notes quote two fifteen, the United
States government convicted a man in Washington, Louis Daniel Smith,
of selling Miracle mineral solution. He received a fifty one

(29:37):
month prison sentence after the court determined he took part
in a conspiracy to defraud and sell products illegal for
human consumption. The government determined he set up a fake
water purification company to sell the sodium chlorite. However, he
instructed his consumers to use the products internally in Florida.
The sellers on eBay and Amazon, as well as Kiev's Corner,
do not explicitly say to use the products internally. However,

(29:57):
all three vendors mentioned Jim Humble's prote call for using MMS.
Jim's protocol consists of oral and enema use of MMS
and the body. Amazon and ebaysellers recommend the purchase of
a book written by Jim Humble. Now, do you think
that was the company's idea that you can do an
enema or do you think they were presenting it and
just one dude's like, I mean, could you put in
your butt? Is that a remedy, and they're like, su

(30:21):
can you it heals? Yeah, you gotta drink. You gotta
drink it for the top half of your body. You
gotta shoot it up your butt for the second bottom
half of the body. That does what I mean, that
makes a lot of science proof. That does check out. Yeah,
that is some science proof. Now, I gotta say, Billy,
you and I are actually going to spend the majority

(30:41):
of our day to day talking about bleach enemas. But
most of that comes a little bit later on. I mean,
I think it has to because he did subtly throw
that in there, But I was more like, hey, hey,
what happened. Why did you have to throw that one
in there. He's like, well, we didn't want to leave
the whole market out. No, you're just leaving money on
the table. If you're telling people to only put the
bleach in one hole, yeah, you're exactly right. Yeah, I mean,

(31:06):
if it's good in your mouth. Technically, I'm imagining a
corporate boardroom where all these people from the Genesis to
church are like charting the sales of bleach, drinking bleach,
and then like the Don Draper guy sits up and says, folks,
I just realized something. We've been selling people drinking bleach
for years and it's made us a lot of money.

(31:26):
But there's a whole second hole. Yeah where he's like
I was in the Lana last night. You know, there's
a whole second hole or not. You're like, Okay, I
don't know where how don come up with this? But
he's God. Dammit, Draper, you've done it again. Now right now,
I do think it's time to get into a little

(31:46):
bit more detail about what precisely the Genesis to Church believes.
Now you remember a little bit earlier, I told you
that Bishop Humble was a billion year old space god. Yep,
I remember that, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well I learned
that from an in depth ABC seven report on the Man.
It states quote their founder Jim Humble is a former
scientologist who claims he's a billion year old god from

(32:09):
the Andromeda galaxy. Quote from Jim, I need to interrupt
what you said, because you said scientologists farmer. Yes, that's
not easier to be. That's not easy to be. I
mean that sounds made up in itself. Well, Jim goes
on to say in a video that ABC seven watched,
and then I asked to be put in the part
of the space Navy that watched over Earth. So he

(32:31):
is He's not just a He's not just a billion
year old space god. He's a Navy man's honor. He
has earned it. I bet he has himself a little uniform,
and I bet it's really something special. Jingle jingle on
that uniform. Billy. I really wanted to bring in more

(32:53):
details about Reverend Humble's status is a billion year old
space god, but I just wouldn't find it. I couldn't
find the video ABC seven apparently watched. I did look
for some videos of Jim Humble, and I found a
video interview on YouTube conducted by Mendalia Television, which is
a Spanish language video production company focused on spirituality and

(33:15):
healing and other new a g WU stuff. They have
one point three million YouTube subscribers now. The video interview
is partly in Spanish, uh and in it, Jim Humble
talks about his extraterrestrial experiences. And this is interesting to
me because it seems to conflict a little bit with
his statements that he's a billion year old space god
from the Navy. UM. So we're gonna play some clips

(33:36):
about this in a second. Uh, I'm gonna set up
the first one. Jim starts telling the interviewer a rambling,
kind of coherent story about his time being abducted by aliens. Uh.
And he claims that these well, he doesn't start off
by claiming they were aliens. He says they were strange
beings that he found in a crater in the desert.
And he says they injected him with a gigantic needle.

(33:58):
And I'm gonna let I'm gonna let take it from
here for a little bit. The pain was absolutely excruciating,
the lord, and they didn't get me anything for pain.
And uh. And then they put an electrical connection on

(34:20):
h arms connection Electrica and Cabral. I'm an electronic engineer,
so I understood what they were doing. Come on Andron,
and they put connections on my legs Pussian, Tambian connections

(34:42):
in in suz pianness. And then they shocked. They put
electrical shocks. But I could tell that it was some
kind of information. In other words, easy, I say, push
on shock, electric pedal l saba kado informacion. Some kind

(35:06):
of digital information was being transmitted into my body. Cynthia K.
Alguntipody informacion de legs were eternity displays on interne Dad
of pain the door. They pulled the thing out of

(35:30):
my chest. There was some blood, but not I love
the workman like professionalism of that translator. Yes, yes, she's like.
I bet she went home and she was like, Oh,
today was fucking crazy. I was worked today, honey, fucking wild.

(35:52):
It was awesome. So Jim claims that these strange beings
shot him full of information that caused him horrible pain,
and then they wiped his mind. He says he was
subducted at least one more time. You got questions, so
many things in that one sentence that you just said. Yes.

(36:13):
It was like if they wopped your mind, how do
you know about it? How can you that's coming up?
That's coming up? This is an airtight story, Billy Wayne,
I don't know why I doubted him. Yeah, so he
was obducted one more time. But he kept forgetting all
this because his mind got wiped and it didn't come
back until he made friends with a couple who had

(36:35):
what he calls a truth detector, which he describes as
the opposite of a light detector, which because you know
how women be lying all the time, so you get
a tale when they telling the truth. Mm hmm. He
says that this truth detector had been tested on millions
of people before him. Uh. And once he used the
truth detector, that's what informed him that it had been

(36:57):
aliens that abducted him. Um So, see, like I said,
it's an air tight tail. He got me on that one,
he did. Yeah, yeah, yep, it's a perfect circle after Yeah,
this is a truth detector. Now, after the truth detecting,
Jim came to believe that the needle had been part

(37:18):
of an experiment by aliens to see if they could
kill him. So I'm gonna I'm gonna let Jim talk again.
He says it was an experiment to see if they
could kill him. I guess you could call it an
experimental murder attempt. Okay, that makes more Yeah, yeah, kind
of like that guy who shot Ronald Reagan. I think

(37:40):
he yelled right before pulling the trigger. Experiment. I have
a theory about this thirty eight I was right. But
let's do that that comes out fast. Um ok So, uh,

(38:01):
here's here's here's Jim Humble talking about this alien murder
experiment a little bit more, why didn't you die? I
suspect because because I had been practicing all those years
releasing the tension Scarson no Murrio. And the other reason

(38:27):
why I didn't die is because I have spiritual protection.
M I came. I came to this world to do
a job with many other people persons and thousands of

(38:48):
people have already come to me and said, I know
you came, and I came with it. That makes me
laugh because because come it is. Yes, yeah, there's the
way he said it too. Was like right, yeah, right,
he got it. You give him to I'm an old man. Yeah. Yeah.

(39:12):
So this is all extremely curious to me because it
doesn't seem to jive with Humble's professed existence as a
billion year old god. Uh and also space Navy. Remember, Um,
I haven't found any interviews with Humble that might tie
all this together. Tragically, maybe he forgot about being a
billion year old space god for a while and he
had to take another truth detecting test to to loop

(39:32):
it all together. Um. Tragically, the exact mystery of his
background will remain a reality. UM. I don't want to
a mystery because it's hard, but billion years you're gonna
forget some stuff. You're gonna forget some ship. You're gonna
forget why you joined the navy. I have friends who
were in the Marines eight years ago that don't remember
why they joined, so you know, well that usually that's

(39:55):
usually about two weeks and they're like, well, what ship now?
The good Reverend Archbishop is one of those figures who's
badly in need of like a really good, six thousand
words Spy magazine feature article. Um, but unfortunately Spy Magazine
does not exist anymore, and that article will remain forever unwritten.

(40:16):
I can find no comprehensive logical layout of the man's
dirty life and times information none, none, nothing, nothing. There's
some come to be Like as far as records, I
don't even like the earliest stuff I find on him
is from like the fucking uh like late nineties, But

(40:37):
most of that's even self reported, like he doesn't really
show up until the odds, like in a in a
way at least that I've I've found hard evidence of. Um. Yeah,
I I just don't know. I don't know much. I
don't even know the fucker's birth date, So maybe it's
just a failure of googling on my part because there's
a lot of information to digest, and it's one of

(40:58):
those things. It's kind of like with very Young where
you're kind of filtering through a lot of sketchy sources.
Like it's not one of those things where I'm finding
a lot of you know, New Yorker in Atlantic articles,
Like I'm breaking down people's blogs who are like transcribing
videos that this guy recorded ten years ago and stuff,
and it's like the seems like they're probably telling the truth,
but it's a mess. Jim Humble is a mess and

(41:20):
trying to figure out the truth about him as a
mess um the most everything, a lot everything he says
is a lie um, and the people who are tracking him,
who seem to be trying to do it out of
a good place, um, just don't have a lot of
institutional credibility behind them. Like the most detailed source I

(41:40):
found on the Genesis to Church comes from a site
called cyram dot org, which bills itself as the Wicki
of Irrational Belief Systems UM. And so it's not one
of those things like I can't say that Syram is
a recognized credible source, but I will say that a
lot of what I found there has been backed up
by other sources. They try to site their work as

(42:01):
much as possible, although a lot of the links are
dead at this point because a lot of it goes
back to like he dozens six or whatever. But most
of what they say seems pretty on point and verifiable
with like the information I've been able to find elsewhere.
So I've used a lot from the ciri Am source
because they write a lot about Genesis to church, and
I didn't really know what was going on with that

(42:21):
church until I found that source. So you know, you're
not gonna You're not gonna find a lot of smoking
gun sources on Jim Humble. He's just that kind of dude.
He's lived in the shadows in the margins his whole life.
Yeah and yeah, and he probably doesn't know. Yeah, that's fascinated. No,
he probably does not know because he's been getting so
he's get so much information shot into his head by aliens.
You're gonna forget some ship, yes, and you forget who

(42:44):
your tail of that information to. Yeah, you do drink
this bleach and shut up. You just need to drink
this bleached sober up now. Cirim says that James V.
Humble really was an engineer at some point and authored
several pre transistor computer and mining to technology manuals. So
it does seem like that was what he was doing
up until recently. Uh. And if so, that would kind

(43:06):
of make sense, because there's a whole long history of
engineers who go on to become quasi cult leaders selling
people snake oil, medicine. Uh. It notes that quote his
whereabouts are currently not known for sure, he is most
probably living in Mexico, which would square with the Mendalia
television interview and also with the fact that con artists
usually wind up in Mexico. Um, yeah, they really do.

(43:32):
It's one of those things. I mean, if it doesn't
really just go to Mexico. If I become president, rather
than trying to stop illegal immigration from Mexico to the
United States, I'm going to try to stop America from
sending con artists to Mexico. Like this is how we
can help the world. That would help. Thank you Jesus,

(43:54):
thank you. Yeah. Now, these Syriam write up notes that
MMS is not Reverend Humble's only miracle cure. His church
also pushes the less popular MMS two, which contains calcium hydrochlorite,
which is a product used in Germany for disinfecting swimming pools.
Reverend Humble advises people to take it internally for viruses

(44:15):
and parasites. He's got a real thing for selling people
industrial cleaning products and telling them to drink them. Well,
yeah it won't. Yeah, algae and stuff won't get in
your insides. It's nice. Yeah, people can swim. Yeah, lung
algae is a real problem in this workaday world. You
know what else is a real problem in this workaday world,
Billy Wayne. Yes, people who don't have enough products and services.

(44:39):
They just it is and advertising for those products, and
advertising for those products and services. I was looking at
some horrible pictures of the flooding in Oklahoma recently, and
I thought, if only there had been more products and
services when it happened, that could Yeah, it wouldn't have
happened enough products and services. A lot of people problems home,

(45:00):
a sexuality that caused it. But it's a lack of
advertised product products. It's one of those things. People are
worried about the melting ice caps and what it's going
to do for the sea level around. But you know,
all of our coastal cities, and what if we just
surround our coastal cities in a levee of products and
services content boom, yeah, content, content will save us. Uh

(45:24):
so products. So if it was that good, she said no,
But she said she said no. Well, you know, everybody, Sophie,
if you're not working hard, you're hardly working, and then

(45:45):
how are you going to earn the big bucks? That's
what I gotta ask sold. You are sold to the
clear channel devil. Right, you name me another podcast host
who starts his ad break and three minutes later has
not actually gone out to the ad break. And I'll
show you a podcast host who works as hard as
I do to sell products and services. Mm hmm. She

(46:06):
just let the audience wants Sophie. She decided in that
way that females is breathing. Yeah, she size a lot
like that. Anyway, products, we're back, We're back, We're back.
I I you know, I don't know if there are

(46:28):
a podcast awards, Billy Wayne, But if if there are one,
the only one I want is one for longest amount
of time but for the start of an ad break
and actually going out to add break. I think that's
the want. I think I think I will win. I
don't think anybody can compete with me. Who do you they?
You thy? Fucking yeah? None of them, none of them,
none of them names. No, I'm like, I'm like the

(46:52):
Michael Jordan's of taking way too long to get out
to an ad break. Michael Jordan might be at Yeah,
he probably would. He's he's he's got a lot of internce. Alright,
let's get back here. So back to that sim right
up of Reverend Humble and uh yeah, we're just talking
about how he also advises people to take a swimming
pool disinfectant for viruses and parasites. The article notes quote

(47:15):
Judging from recent announcements and interviews, Humble apparently wants to
have MMS tested in Haiti. Most recent announcements gives reason
to suspect the worst for uninformed patients. He currently claims
to research the treatment of MMS with cancer, hepatitis C,
and AIDS patients. Quotation Humble, We've started doing clinical trials
for AIDS, hepatitis and cancer and those trials have been
going pretty good. And we have a guy who's head
of the prison system there. He's also helping us and

(47:38):
a local hospital has agreed to give us three hundred
blood tests for free. So Jim Humble is claiming to
be testing uh, bleach drink on curing aids of prisoners
and cancer. So that's good. I don't wonderstand okay in Haiti? Yeah,
has he killed people yet? Oh? Definitely, definitely definitely, Like

(48:00):
we'll we'll get into it, but like absolutely. But he's
like his mindset is like, oh, all these this big
pharma is out to get me because I've got a
solution m hm. And that solution is poisoning Haitian prisoners
with bleach. Yeah, which sounds like this guy is like

(48:22):
he's a perfect character for like a Warren Zevon song,
Like everything I just said there is Yeah, it's he's amazing. Yeah. Yeah,
he's something that cocaine created. Yeah. Uh. In that interview
where he talked about bleaching prisoners, the interviewer asked him,
are you allowed to say here on camera that MMS
will cure cancer, to which Jim Humble responded, sure, I

(48:44):
can say it, MMS will cure cancer. Um. Now, the
original interview seems to have been scrubbed from the Internet.
The syram right up links to external sites covering it,
but I cannot find the original. However, it certainly sounds
like Jim Humble. Um Siram claims that humble switch from
reverend to bishop reverend happened in two thousand ten after

(49:04):
Humble was declared bishop by quote the alleged Archbishop Lawrence
Jensen and his wife, the alleged Bishop Glenda Green of
the One Holy True Christian Original Church from Arizona, which
is also active as Spiritist Church, Order of the Fringe
of Yeshua, the Byzantine Catholic Church incorporated, the Liberal Catholic Church,
the Old Roman Catholic Church, the American Orthodox Catholic Church,

(49:27):
and so on. So those are all the same church,
Billy God. Yeah, now these people are alleged bishops because
the Original Church seems to function mostly as a bishop mill,
which is something I did not know existed prior to this. Yeah,
I thought yourself that, yeah, no, you've gotta you've gotta,

(49:49):
you gotta find a grifter who's got a long running
bishop grift before you can add bishop to your list
of griffict pay another, before you can call yourself a
bit bishop. It's it's part of this vast ecosystem. Of grift,
you know, yeah, yeah, exactly. At least there's an etiquette,

(50:10):
so you can't just be calling yourself a bishop. This
guy's already thought of that. Yeah, this guy's thought of that,
and he's been doing it for ten years. So everybody
who calls themselves a bishop has to pay him some
money first, a little homage. Yeah. So the original church
claims to have been formed in part by a Catholic

(50:30):
priest named James Wedgewood, who left the church after he
was investigated for making pedophilic advances to young boys. So
like a real priest formed this church which now exists
to sell bishops, bishop ricks or like one of the
few priests to get caught. Yeah, he was like, you
almost start my own church. I'm gonna start my own

(50:52):
church and sell being a bishop to people so that
they can claim that it goes back to Jesus. That
like there's an unbroken chain of of bishoprics all the
way back to the original Apostles. So that's how Jim
Humble claims to be a bishop. Um, now, I bet
you're wondering what the genesis to church means. Why it's

(51:13):
the genesis to church for one? Uh, Jim Humble has
said in an interview quote, it's called Genesis to Church
of Health and Healing because genesis means the beginning, and
two means the second beginning, and this is the beginning
of a new world without disease. No, too does not
mean second beginning. No it does not. No means too. No,

(51:34):
it means too. For example, Aliens was not a second
beginning to the Alien franchise. It was. It was just
a really good movie about Aliens. That was the second
in a series. Yeah, the second one. Yeah. Now, are
you wondering what it takes to be a member of
the Genesis to Church, Billy? Have you been? You've been
considering getting getting in on that? I mean yeah, sure, yeah, yeah,

(51:58):
Well all it takes ten dollars and a refusal to
ever get vaccinated. So it's like R E I. It's
it's like a ten dollars and I will I will
not get vaccinated, and you I will never get vaccinated? Right. Well, yeah,
you know if you go into an R A I

(52:19):
and just start telling everyone who works there that you
refuse to get vaccinated, really interesting things happen. Well, they're like, hey,
the owners here. I love telling people I'm part owner
of are I they always look at me what everywhere
They're very impressed by that. That's what a co op means.
Get a dividend every year abouts because there are stuff

(52:44):
last forever, so you don't have to keep buying it.
Did you guys know that? Yeah? It actually kind of
well some of it you know, well at all idly does.
I have several jackets that are guaranteed a lifetime, which
bothers me in my closet. Uh uh right. So when
when when you become a member of the Genesis to church,
they will send you a church identification card that states

(53:07):
that you cannot be vaccinated, so that you have a
religious exemption to getting vaccinated, which is is great. These
people tie in to to that too. Um. All proceeds
from these memberships are routed to an account based in
the Dominican Republic, which seems to be where Jim Humble
has based his business. Although he probably lives in Mexico
most of the time, but he might live in the
Dominican Republic. He seems to generally live in places where

(53:30):
he can't be prosecuted for selling people bleach water. As
for the Seattle Mariners in the office that's why he's
mostly in the Dominican. He's a bird dog scout for
the Dodgers. He's just looking for good baseball players are good.
They're everywhere here. You give them a little bleach, you
see what they're made now. Membersip in the Genesis to

(53:54):
church confers some significant advantages. If you pay a little
bit extra, you can be made a priest of the
church and call yourself reverend. So that's pretty sweet. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
See now it sounds a little bit better. Uh. Jim
Humble seems to be trying to set up a little
bit of a pyramid scheme bit with this. He advises
his pastors to hand out free bottles of miracle mineral

(54:15):
solution and exchange for donations. He believes this is legally
distinct enough from selling poison that none of his pastors
will get into trouble. Quote, we already have tremendous lawyers
who will help us. If you wish, you will receive
a pastors certificate, and you will have the legal right
to use reverend in front of your name. It will
be legal for you to not pay income tax. You
can also receive a certificate to start a chapter of

(54:35):
our church right there in your area and interested. Now, yeah,
you can hand out tracks telling you about MMS and
our healing, and you will no doubt how people come
to you for healing. It will be best not to
charge for your service. Instead ask for donations after they
get well, and that only usually takes a few days.
Most people will want to donate something when they get well.
You will make more money that way than selling the
bottles of MMS. If you keep at it, you should

(54:57):
soon have enough to start building a church. Of course,
teaches you how to handle all diseases and health problems
except those needing surgery, which is a small number. We
expect reasonable donation, but not a great big either, But
of course great big donations are okay. So really nice
guy Jim Humble, he's just he's trying to help people,
is what he's trying to do. It's very clear, very clear,

(55:19):
and very You just ask for donations because if you don't,
it's illegal what we're doing. If you don't, we're just
selling people poison. But if you do, you don't have
to pay income tax on the poison you sell. I
did put that in the middle of that paragraph. Yeah,
on purpose. Now A two thousand ten Guardian article on

(55:40):
Humble reviewed an issue of of his MMS newsletter called
Straight Talk with Jim Humble, which sounds like a Fox
News show. The Straight Talk newsletter detailed his strategy for
spreading his medicine to the world, using his church as
a vector. Quote from Jim Humble, look at the Catholics.
Their priests have been molesting women and children for centuries,
and the governments have not been able to stop it.

(56:01):
If handled properly, a church can protect us from vaccinations
that we don't want, from forced insurance, and from many
things that a government might want to used to oppress us.
He's not wrong about that. He's not wrong, not wrong
at all about what he I mean, it is not
coming from a good place, but he's not wrong. And
I'm fascinated by the kind of person whose logic goes

(56:22):
in these steps. The Catholics are allowed to rape as
many kids as they want, so having a church can
protect me from getting vaccinated. Yes, that is some galaxy
brain ship right there, Jim Humble. Well he was. He
was just sipping on a little of his own supply,
and he's like, I got it. I got me a
fucking idea bleach leaked into my head and got into

(56:45):
my logic part Now, Jim Humble offers longer courses in
the Dominican Republic on how to administer poison bleach water.
For seven and fifty dollars in one week's time, you
can become a Minister of Health and put an inmates
after your name. If that's not enough, you can pay
fifteen hundred dollars for a three day trip to Haiti.
Will you were administer bleach water to seriously ill people

(57:07):
and receive an MMS certificate which allows you to I
add the title reverend doctor to your name. And I
gotta be honest, folks, I am only barely resisting the
urge to pay fills to be able to call myself
a reverend doctor right now. Like that is, that's a
hard thing to not. If I got a national if
I got booked in a national commercial this year, I'll
pay for both of us to become reverend doctors. Hell yeah,

(57:30):
that's a weekend you and me go to Haiti. People
some bleach become reverend. Yes, I'm anster from the Church
of the Life Church or whatever it is, absolutely so
why not add reverend doctor yes, Reverend doctor directs that
that will motivate them to cast me and like no, no, no,

(57:53):
hear me out, this is what we need to do. Yeah, okay,
So there's also really one of the best sources I
found on Jim Humble and his church was a really
in depth report done by ABC seven. They're the ones
who claim Humble believes himself to be a billion year
old god from the Andromeda galaxy. They sent an undercover
reporter to a church seminar in Costa Mesa, California, where

(58:15):
they met with Archbishop Mark Grinnan. She filmed with her iPhone.
The reporter filmed with her iPhone and caught the Genesis
to church instructing New Reverence on what to say, tell
them Jesus heals you while you drink this. Our cameras
captured grinnin telling the seminar. ABC News Chief investigative correspondent
Brian Ross cut up with grinn and outside the seminar
and coast A Mesa. Are you telling people you can

(58:38):
cure breast cancer with this, Ross asked Grennan, we tell
people we can cure a lot of things. He'll cure
treat I can cure all those Grinnan responded, you can
treat all those diseases breast cancer. Ross asked yes. Grinnan
responded back inside the seminar, undercover eyewitness news producer caught
Grennan's angry reaction to his interaction with Ross. I hope
they think I'm a raving lunatic. I really do, grinn

(58:58):
And said, he won't put up. I said, I'll be
shocked if they put that on. They did, but yeah. So.
The report also notes that the undercover reporter was excommunicated
from the Genesis to Church after she was caught. So
that's unfortunate. So if we become Reverend Doctors Billy Wayne,
we gotta keep that ship on the downlow. If we
want to keep using that title. Ah see, that defeats

(59:19):
the whole purpose. If I'm being honest, Yeah, yeah, because
I would. I would want to. I would want to
record that whole fucking week. I would want everyone to
know what I'm doing and how I earned this. Yes, yes,
I'm very proud with my reverend doctor's steads. I would
be live streaming those days on Twitter. Yeah, it would
be like the Charlie Sheen ship in the beginning of

(59:40):
that where he was just like they're in Haiti becoming
reverend doctors. Reverend doctors. What is that? I don't know either.
They have no idea, but their clothes are ruined. They've
been spelling a lot of bleach. I've yet to start
tripping you guys. My mouth just tastes horrible, just tastes

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like an old pool. I don't like it. So The
Guardian also infiltrated one of their events in two thousand
nineteen and found very similar behavior. The church put together
an effective alternative healing event at the Icicle Village Resort
in Leavenworth, Washington, because Washington is Grifters ground zero. The
advisor or organizer of the event, a guy named Tom Merry,

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noted on his Facebook page that bleached drinking training quote
could save your life or the life of a loved
one sent home to die. Attendance of the meeting were
asked to donate four hundred and fifty dollars each or
eight hundred dollars per couple to attend and become members.
And that price saving a hundred bucks for two, that's
a good deal. That's a good deal. I bet we
could if we pretended to be a couple. We could

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get twelve hundred bucks you know, or I guess total
for for reverend doctor training. I think that would be
worth it. I think that would be worth it. Yeah,
we would. We would have to be in love. Now
that price didn't include for bleach, which they referred to
as sacraments. The headline speaker at the event was Mark Grinnin,

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and the organizer posted a video to promote the event
of a British MS advocate visiting a village in Uganda
and feeding bleach to its impoverished residents. One of the
victims shown in the film is an infant lying in
his or her mother's arms who was made to drink
a cup of bleach. The child screams as the fluid
is swallowed. Yep, because it's bad, because the bleach is

(01:01:25):
the bleach. Yea. Now, this is probably a good time
to talk about the side effects of drinking bleach, which
should not be the thing I have to inform people of.
Does it burn? It burn? It can cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea,
intestinal distress, damaged to your red blood cells and respiratory system,

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and worse, an FDA spokeswoman told the Guard Worse than
damaging your red blood cells in the respiratory just worse stuff. Yeah,
because it can fucking kill you, which is what the
FDA said. Anyone who has bought these products as advised
to throw them away unless you need to clean your
swimming pool, then it might help. But of course, people
don't tend to listen when the FDA warns them that

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they're poisoning themselves. What started as the sacrament of one
very specific nutty church has spread across the alternative healthcare
ecosystem to become the nonsense medication of choice for a
whole generation of fake doctors. In our next episode of
this two part series, we will be talking about one
of and perhaps the most prominent of these bullshittricians, which

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is a word that looks better spelled than pronounced, a
lady named Kelly Rivera or Carrie Rivera sorry, who has
claimed for several years to be able to cure autism
using bleach. So that's what we're gonna be talking about
in part two of this episode. But for now, Billy,
it's time two go away for a little while. Yeah,

(01:02:47):
I'm gonna go piss bleach for a second. Yeah, let's
all go piss and bleach, drink a little bit more
be bleach, piss and drink some bleach. Uh, have us
a goodass time and come back on Thursday to hear
about the woman who prescribes drinking bleach as a cure
for autism. So I hope it's Jenny McCarthy. No, it's not.
This is a woman who's actually a lot worse than

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Jenny McCarthy. So I don't know if I'll be back. Yeah, ship,
Well that's a real problem for me because nobody else
is going to sit and talk with me about bleach
drinking for another hour. I'll be back. I'll be there.
Oh thank god, Oh thank god. Well, ladies and gentlemen,
boys and girls, folks of indeterminate and non binary of gender. Uh, everybody,

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grab yourself a cup of bleach and uh and come
back on Thursday. And Billy Wayne, you want to plug
your plugables before we sail out on a river of bleach.
Just at Billy Wayne Davis on Instagram or Twitter, and
my tour dates will be up at b w D
tour dot com. Who beings. I am Robert Evans. You
can find me on Twitter at I right, okay, you

(01:03:56):
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the Bastards branded drinking bleach. So drink some bleach. It's healing.

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I think that's it, Sophie. Have I forgotten anything? Nope, no,
she said no, She said no, beautiful, That's It podcast