June 27, 2019 • 56 mins
Robert is joined again by Dan and Jordan from Knowledge Fight Podcast to continue discussing Mike Adams and Natural News.
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M. What's lancing my Rectel Polyps. I'm Robert Evans hosted
Behind the Bastards, the podcast where we talking about the
worst people in all of history, and every week I
try a new and terrible introduction. Uh. My guests today
are Dan and Jordan from Knowledge Fight. What did you
think of that one? Guys? Was that? Was that? All right?
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I thought it was okay? It was spectacular? Thank you,
Thank you? Are you guys big fans of Rextel Polyps? Big,
big fans, big fans. I had that feeling, and I
named my first son Paula. Ah, that's such a cute
name for a kid. I named my first son Rectel.
I was planning on having too, but you know, time
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makes fools of us all. Indeed, Rexel Evans does not
sound like a good name. I don't want to be
born with that one. We we got a real boy
named Sue situation. Meanwhile, Paula Holmes, Yeah, Paula Holmes perfectly. Yeah,
Paul Holmes is a solid poul up. Paula Holmes is
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going to cut one hell of an R and B album.
Rectel L. Evans is going to join Blackwater. Oh yeah, yeah,
I mean my goal with any child I have is
to be so bad at being their parents that we
wind up having a bloody, glass filled fight in a
bar at some point, like I want that experience from
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the end of Boy Named Sue Um And then you
do an episode about your own Yeah, about my own father,
you do an episode about you if you name your
kidding rectels. We're talking about Mike Adams, a man who
talks about butts, but mainly to sell people silver that
they should put inside of their butts, which is a
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real thing that Mike at himselves colonic silver, which is
but silver fun times. So, based on everything we've learned
about the Health Rangers so far, most of you probably
take it as a given that he's not exactly going
to be on the right side of the vaccine issue.
And so we're clear the right side of the vaccine
issue is that vaccines are good. I think we're in there.
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I think we're all we should all be in agreement
about that one. Now. I'm still on team polio. I'm
still on team polio. It's coming back. You just that's
a defensible argument, though, if you're anti vaccine not because
you don't think they work, but because you hate people
and want them to get polio. That's a consistent line. Yeah. Absolutely.
If Exxon just came out and was like, we want
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to kill people with our climate change bullshit, you'd be like,
I mean, I guess that's I guess that's a reasonable argument.
I don't know what to tell you there. I can
imagine just like the CEO of Exxon in a Patagonia
jacket at like some coast side, like putting his leg
up on like a boulder, lighting a cigarette and tossing
into the ocean and saying, here at Exxon Mobile, we
think the environment. You can argue with the conclusion, but
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not how they Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like, Okay, at
least at least you're consistent. BP just released an official
statement changing their motto to uh, oh fuck them, just
get out of here. So yeah, I don't think anyone's
gonna be surprised to know that Mike Adams is a
staunch anti vaxer. I think you might be surprised to
learn how influential Mike has been in terms of helping
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the anti vaccine movement grow and metastasize. Now it is
easy to trace the influence of stuff like that Wakefield
fucker's bullshit Lancet study because vaccination rates fell as soon
as it went viral. The impact of a guy like
Mike Adams is harder to parse out. It's clear that
he championed every single popular claim about vaccines being dangerous
there ever was. It's clear that he spread false information
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about vaccines having toxic levels of mercury, that he ranted
about the supposed connection between vaccines and autism, and and
that he claimed that the medical establishment had engaged in
a systemic cover up campaign in order to suppress the evidence.
But like a lot of people have written about all
of that stuff, what makes Mike Adams special is the
size of his platform. I think prog rest notes. According
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to the service com Score, natural News hosted over two
million unique visitors in the month of December two fourteen.
The websites Google page rank US is a respectable six,
and the same number enjoyed by other more mainstream preachers
in the natural space. The CEO of Whole Foods, John
Mackie's blog also receives a six. As to the landing
pages for Andrew Wheel and Deepac Chopra. They add that
Adams claims that he has personally authored over two thousand articles,
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including investigative articles, SAP, tire, and op ed, and that
his writings have collectively been read by over a hundred
million people over the last decade. Every Yeah, I think
we're gonna run into some of his satire later. Yeah yeah.
They note that Adams's news feeds regularly get higher numbers,
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like his news feeds are larger than that of the
Atlantic or the Los Angeles Times. Um so he's he's influential.
This is not just some guy ranting against vaccines. This
is some guy that more people trust than the Atlantic.
As long as nobody's reading Freeder's door. If I've and
I'm okay with that great one of my one of
my mortal enemies, I mean yeah, I mean history's greatest monster.
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But uh, talking about Mike Adams right now now. When
that thing Progress article dropped, Natural News had about one
and a half million followers on Facebook. By two thousand nineteen,
they had almost three million, which is more followers than
info Wars ever had at its height. John Inteen is
an author and award winning journalist. He runs the Genetic
Literacy Project, which fights misinformation about GMOs and other anti
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scientific gobbledegook. He's another one of the people who's been
writing about Mike Adams for years while the rest of
the world ignored him. His research confirmed that by two
thou nineteen, Adams claim to have more than three hundred
and sixty thousand subscribers to his daily newsletter and more
than four million monthly unique visitors to his websites. John
pointed out that Natural News ranked one eight hundred and
fourteen on the entire Internet. Let's put them roughly on
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par with the Mayo Clinic, well ahead of cancer dot gov,
which is less than half of the traffic of Natural News,
and way way way the funk ahead of the National
Institutes of Health National Center for Complimentary and Alternative Medicine,
which only gets seventy three thousand unique visits per year.
Probably the problem is that the n i H isn't
doing enough satire. Yeah, yeah, throws some fucking satire in
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the lazy bastards. So Mike's not just one member of
a chorus of loons talking about, you know, vaccines killing kids.
He's one of the like single people with the largest
megaphones for spreading this kind of stuff in the world. Um,
and the fact that he's a lot less flamboyant and
interesting than Alex Jones is the only reason why he's
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probably not more famous among actual scientists, though he has
been reviled four years as a major ARCon of disinformation.
I'm going to quote from one of John Inteen's articles. Now,
adams natural news dot com website has been characterized by
Brian Dunning of the fucking Dunning Kruger Effects the Science.
But yeah, like, hey, like that fucking guy, uh you know, yeah,
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the number one worst anti science website. Physician bloggers Stephen
Novella and clinical neurologist and assistant professor at Yale University
School of Medicine characterized Adams as a dangerous, conspiracy mongering
crank Oncologist David Gorski, a ka or called natural News
the wretchedest, scummiest, and quackiest website on the Internet. Alan
Livinowitz at James Madison University, professor writing for Slate wrote
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natural News is a cesspool of pseudo scientific in sanity,
season generously with political vitriol and outlandish conspiracy theories. So
most eily Cantina. Yeah, part of me, I know, I
was really stoked about Yeah, that's it. That's good. He's
he's the most Eisles Cantina of convincing parents not to
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give their kids measles vaccines. Those those quotes always make
me think of something. Uh. The problem with brilliant people
who are about stuff is that they get very poetic
in their insults. If if the guy just wrote and
slate this dude is a fucking idiot and if you
listen to him, you're a fucking moron. I think people
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would get it on a larger scale. Yeah, instead of
like he's the choffiest boy whoever chopped it. Well, this
gets into another problem. We were talking in the first
episode about like THEIRS data and FAIRS data and how
it's continuously misused by people, and like it exists for
a good reason and scientists created these things for a
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good reason. But this is why international science should hire
people like us to like, Okay, so we think we're
gonna have this kind of database, we'll put it here
for the whole public. U. No, no, no, no, no,
that's gonna be a bad idea. Let me tell you, yeah,
let me tell you what's gonna happen. Like, Yeah, there
should be a Council of people who know how grifters think,
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like sitting down with brilliant science and being like, here's
why you need to take a different tact. Here's here's
the whole they're going to find their way through, and
then after the fact they need us also to clown
on them like the Mic adams Is of the world,
as opposed to like just responding, yeah, you dunk on
these fools. Yeah now. Brian Dunning is noted above pointing
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out that natural News is very influential, saying for it's
frighteningly large influence and abysmal quality of information, it earns
the number one spot on this list of anti science websites.
The influence that natural news dot com gained has led
to peer reviewed papers actually mentioning it. For example, Wayne
Parrott in the University of Georgia uh Journal of New
Biotechnology wrote an article defending genetically modified food, and as
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an example of the allegations he was addressing, included a
Natural News article. I've also found another study that list
listed natural News is one of twenty or so like
influential voices in the anti vaccine movement. But these these
peer reviewed studies are mentioning natural News as a bad thing. Yes, ok, yeah, yeah,
they are saying this is an example of a dangerous
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influence that is causing people to believe lies. Yeah no,
you meant that. It was like they were being cited. Okay,
christ No. Now, while I was researching this article, I
came across a study published by the n i H
which I don't know if you guys know this, but
it has a terrible Google ranking, very unimpressive traffic um.
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The study was published in two thousand eighteen and it's
titled the Anti Vaccine Movement of Regression in Modern Medicine.
It opens my noting the premise of the anti vaccination
movement can also be contributed to the demonization of vaccines
by news and entertainment outlets. Voices such as Jenny McCarthy's
have proven to be influential, sweeping fear and distrust into
parents minds by parading as autism experts. Now interestingly enough,
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Mike Adams was one of the earliest and maybe the
most prominent people to spread Jenny McCarthy's ill educated not
anti vaccine nonsense. In two thousand ten, Mike Adams published
an article titled Andrew Wakefield Scientific Censorship and fourteen Monkeys
a State a statement. A statement by Jenny McCarthy and
Jim Carrey. I want to go back in time and
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talk to me in the nineties and just be like, hey,
you know that show singled out, that's gonna get people measles,
good luck, that's gonna cause dead diseases to come back
to life years. No one's going to look good involved
in this. Yeah. The other The other thing too, about
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Mike Adams at this all this stuff, is like he's
actually good friends with Wakefield, Like him and Wakefield are buddies. Yeah,
they live in Austin. I'm sure they are drinking with
Alex Jones. Well, Mike Adams doesn't drink, but so he says,
he also has nine percentile in sobriety. He is and
m I T just could not stop flinging themselves at him.
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So before essentially this article was just Mike Adams publishing
unedited a statement by Jim Carrey and Jenny McCarthy about life.
Vaccine are bad, and before he published their and edited words,
he wrote this introduction. When it comes to vaccines, Jenny
McCarthy and Jim Carrey get it. They see how the
pharma industry is engineering a campaign to silence Dr Andrew
Wakefield in order to suppress the publication of startling new
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evidence linking vaccines to severe neurological damage at great risk
to their professionals careers, Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carey have
found the courage to dare to tell the truth about
vaccines and autism despite the vicious attacks by the pro
vaccine zealots. It will stop at nothing to destroy anyone
who challenges conventional vaccine mythology. McCarthy and Carrey have issued
a powerful, inspired statement that reveals the truth behind the
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big pharma smear campaign that is intent on destroying the
reputation of Dr Andrew Wakefield before you can publish the
final results of this important new study. He never never
published the new study, of course, not because if I, Yeah,
if I were Mike and I was writing that, I
would have thrown in something like Jim to quote Jim Carrey,
somebody stopped me before. I don't vaccinate my child. Something
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kid is smoking with the measles. I can't think of
any good Jim Carey quotes right now, something about the Majestic.
I was gonna, I was gonna try to say syphilis,
but in the same voice he says, alrighty then, but
I can't do a good gym carey, so I'm not
even gonna trysi. Yeah, yeah, sure, sure, sure sure. A
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quick question, Um, yeah, I've been wondering this a bunch
if Big Pharma weren't so actively shitty, like if they
were actually often like a bunch of chill folk. No,
I mean, like, if they were acting ethically all the time.
Of course, Mike Adams would still make these stupid bullshit claims.
There's no reason not to. You know, it doesn't matter
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if they're on the up and up or not. But
since they are so fucking inethical, is it? Do you
think that contributes to how easy people find it to
believe his bullshit? I think not the vaccine I want
to say not the vaccine parts of the pharmaceutical industry,
because as a general rule, like, I'm not aware of
much in the way of shadiness that goes on with
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that specific chunk of it. But I think stuff like
the sacklers in the opioid epidemic, and like jacking up
the price of various medications like insulin, Like I'm that
all definitely contributes to people's general mistrust of the pharmaceutical industry. Um,
and yeah, it's if we lived in some sort of
crazy society where we all paid, you know, people like
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us paid thirty or forty bucks a year, people who
had millions of dollars paid more, and it just funded
huge amounts of medical research. And then medication was available
free or at cost, as opposed to being for profit endeavor.
Maybe this stuff would have less traction, and diabetics wouldn't
be rationing their insulin in order to pay rent. Maybe
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both of those things could happen. I don't know. That
seems like a crazy, crazy nonsense off society could function
that way. Our our system where a company lies about
the addictiveness of OxyContin for twenty years and two people die,
is clearly more sustainable. Yeah. Now, there exists on this
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glorious Internet of ours a website called Jenny McCarthy body
count dot com. It includes an exhaustively sourced count of
every preventable illness caused by anti vaccine bullshit and every
death from two thousand seven to two fifteen. Why isn't
Jim Carrey getting a little bit of that? And Mike
Adams isn't he as much a part of this? They
do focus unfairly on Jenny McCarthy. I thought it was
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I thought it was just a website that chronicled every
picture she has on the internet. They would actually be
similar numbers, because Jenny McCarthy body count dot com counts
a hundred and fifty two thousand, seven hundred and sty
two preventable illnesses and nine thousand deaths, and that's up
to two. Now it's your own conclusion in your own
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head is to how many of those deaths and illnesses
we can pin on Mike Adams for being a major, major,
one of the most prominent spreaders of Jenny McCarthy's bullshit.
But I'm gonna say he gets it, he gets a
cut of it, like one of those things like I'm
never never too interested in assigning like full blame or anything. Yeah,
you're a part of this. That means you get you
get your part, You're just in it. You're in the
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conversation of who's you get your share whatever that is.
Of all of these, it does seem like blaming, blaming dumb,
dumb celebrity for believing dumb ship doesn't make any sense,
Like The real issue is the people who exploit her dumb,
dumb bullshit for their own game. I mean, think about
how many celebrities have had dumb, harmless beliefs over the years. Yeah,
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like John Wilkes Booth, Like John never heard anybody. Now,
I only read about Wilkes Booth in terms of his
his career up to eighteen sixty four as an actor,
but never harmed anybody. And he's not today. It's the
greatest hold on. He's the Tom Hecks of his day. Yeah. God,
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what if Tom Tanks assassinates a president? What would that?
Can you imagine America? I'm not saying this one, I'm
saying a president. I'm just like, no, I agree, imagine
America grappling with that. It would be way tougher for
me to watch that Carly ray Jepson video. Number one concern,
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you see, I'm just thinking about what an intense news
cycle that would be. Uh So that in a h
study I cited a little earlier on the growth of
the anti vax movement is emphatic about the role the
Internet has played in spreading this nonsense. It does not
name natural News directly, but it makes a very clear
point about how dangerous the kind of misinformation Mike Adams
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trucks in truly is quote. Not only are these tactics
deceitful and dishonest, they are also effective on many parents.
A study that evaluated how effectively users assessed the accuracy
of medical information about vaccines online concluded that fifty of
student participants thought retrieved sites were entirely accurate. However, out
of the forties sites they were given, only eighteen were
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actually accurate, while twenty two were inaccurate. These sites were
not evidence based and argued vaccines were inherently dangerous. About
any merit based argument, more than half of participants left
the exercise with consistent misconceptions about vaccines. Research has also
shown that viewing an anti vaccine website for merely five
to ten minutes increased perceptions of vaccine risks and decreased
perceptions of the risks of vaccine omission compared to visiting
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a control site. The study also found that the active
vaccine sentiments obtained from viewing the website still persisted five
months later, causing the children of these parents to obtain
fewer vaccinations than recommended. The role of the online access
to false anti vaccination information just cannot be understated, and
examining the rise of the spread of the anti vaccine movement.
So that's a study on exactly what Mike adams website does.
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And they're like, there's documented evidence that sites like has
produced a real impact in terms of stopping people from
vaccinating their kids. And he has spread this kind of
stuff two millions and millions and millions and millions of people.
And now it's time for an ad break. Now when
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Now when we come back, guys, it's finally time for
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Mike Adams's rap. I don't I don't even know what
to call it, his rap, his peace, you know, I mean,
it's it's it's beautiful, it's perfect beautiful, his achievement. It's
a cheap okay, his Wu tang esque accomplishment. Does he
have eight other dudes with him? Actually? Maybe? But first products,
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and we're back. We're back, and we're about to listen
to the rap video that Mike Albums put out. Now,
this is not separated albums right there. Hell yeah, yeah,
he's Mike Albums when he's cutting an EP like this. Now, this,
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this rap song was part of his anti vaccine campaign
and its title is Vaccine Zombie. Now, before you go
any further, can I ask you if you know who
produced this was this? Like, I think it's all Mike Adams.
I think this is all Mike. Now, Q Tip didn't
even have a hand in this. I don't as far
as I'm aware. As far as I'm aware, I think
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old dirty bastard shows up at some point. Good glad,
he's glad his hologram is still guesting. Um. Now, I
I this is a three minute long video and there's
it's too information DNS to play all at once. So
I'm gonna ask you Dan to play the first minute
of the video and then uh, we will stop it
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and we will play the second minute of the video.
In parenthes is the health record, He says more than
one million Americans are all written infective, play Safe for Shelby,
get Vaccinating, Swan films coming Black like it's like seven
to six. You gotta probably get back. But not that
the vaccine don't give and that because those medical quacks.
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I'm making money off that vaccine to protest people like that,
walking me well contagious. The truth is outrageously. Don't just
hold the drug companies made this flu and you can
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they can do. One of them made this. You got
to say this. Don't don't infect me, don't infect me
in all chemical don't check me, don't infect me, needle
in my brain, a medical record, don't don't refuse me,
push a medical lies and try to confuse Alright, alright, alright, alright,
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that's uh, that's unbelievable. That is the opening credits to
a Nick Krall produced shows How Would You Do? What? What?
We got to describe the animation for the listeners, because
they're not going to be seeing this. This art rudimentary
seems like a good place to start in terms of describe,
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I would say two thousand nine era flash animation. I
would give it that. There's also I have happened to
pause it right at a point where it's clearly a
Michael Jackson. The whole thing is clearly on Michael Jackson.
Rip off. Yeah, there there is. There's a one of
the zombies is clearly a knock on Michael. I don't
know what's going it's not it's not similar to it.
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There's no similarities between the song and thriller. It's just
about vaccine zombies and Michael Jackson dressed as a zombie
at one time. So he's the centerpiece of the video. Ohoy. Creatively,
he could do worse. Yeah, but he doesn't write a
terrible hook. I've heard yeah, I and I do do
anything the doctors tell me. So I I identify with
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the character. And this is from too so like this
is before a lot of the evolution of rap. Kendrick
had only released his first album at this point. The time,
he doesn't even know about this ship. Oh yeah, and
I think this one probably had a big impact on
Kendrick Lamar. I think, yeah, I think he might have
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created a trap You just pulled that from thin air.
I'm just trying to sound cool as an old man,
being like one of the kids really do these days?
I know trap music is a thing. My music is
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more like discharged. I'm still listening to Scott and Carly
ray Us. Well, hey, let's Scott Scott never died and
is as famous and beloved as it's always been. And
that's the end of that discussion. Let's play the rest
of this album. All right, here we go song, Don't
you know Swam made bomb man pharmaceutical scam. It's so dope.
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I don't know. Okay, yeah, check you. They impact you.
I'm actually getting into that, use you. They say the
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same in your life, really confuse you. Oh your kids
shoot him up, just gotta get it. Tears and the
babies and the tears and when they get paralyzed. There's
been realized there's no data. Undo the big drug companies
and making them killing, collecting the billions and getting the
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way like a jazz bomb villain, because the villain to
do almost anything just to make money with the flu vaccy. Wow.
You guys had a pretty strong reaction to Mike Adams
appearing in the flesh on that video. Yeah. I wasn't
ready for the animation changed from like goofy cartoons to
Mike Adams in a rotoscope list undershirt. Oh god, Yeah,
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that's that's about enough. I suspect of that. That's that's frightening. Yeah,
that's it's a lot. It's a lot to take in, um,
but you you get an idea of how Mike makes
his arguments about vaccinats to people well up and fall
off if you if you vaccinate yourself. That's one of
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those like watching that part of that especially, Like it's
that weird middle ground that I don't understand exactly how
to figure out what's what. Like there's a clear attempt
to be funny. Clearly he's trying to be funny on
some level. Yeah, yeah, but it's mixed in with these
um audacious, unproven medical claims. It's it's hard to figure
out where the line is. Like, how much of that
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nut sex stuff was a joke? Yeah? It does. Mike
Adams really believe that. So every girlfriend I've ever had
has said that to me, the vaccines are going to
shrivel you on nuts. Know how much of that nut
sex stuff is a joke? Oh oh well yeah, Now
we should probably talk a little bit more about what
kind of person Mike Adams is. I I just wish
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we had more detail about his life. So tragically, we're
going to have to refer back to the bio on
his website where he notes Adams has no criminal record
and has never been arrested. Bio. That's that's I actually
wrote it in your bio too. He avoids alcohol, smoking, coffee,
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and all recreational drugs. He has never used recreational drugs
in his entire Life's kind of think he might have
used recreational drugs. Yeah. Yeah, if you have to preemptively
deny something, that's probably because you already did it. But also,
how do you do an alternative news site that has
stuff about crystals and not smoke some weed? Like, how
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do that? Doesn't that seems very incongruous to me? It does?
It does, Adams notes in his website. Adams is not
known to appear on the social scene and usually spends
time in nature rather than socializing. He's occasionally spotted in
public at the Whole Foods market in Austin, Texas. Adams
is well trained in hand to hand combat, firearms, and
self defense. He has authored numerous courses on self defense
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and personal protection. So Mike Adams goes to Whole Foods
and he'll fucking kill you. Yeah, I like that. He's
not you know, you're not going to find him at
a debutop ball, but he'll be at the whole foods
and he has trained tell you'll fuck you up? Tell
me how much friends there is between that and maybe
the unibomber's self described bio like like, come on, man,
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Kauzynski wasn't good at Judo. No, no, he was not
uh terrible at Judo. Incredible presence on the Graham though,
really took to social media like a duck takes to water. Now.
One thing we all know for sure about Mike Adams
is that he has thin skin when it comes to
people criticizing him directly. This might be part of why
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he's not more widely known. On April third, two fourteen,
John inteen wrote a profile of Adams for Forbes, where
he is a contributor. Mike lashed out to Forbes the
same day, claiming John's article contained factual and accuracies and slander.
He told Forbes to take it down and they folded
like an oregamy crane. Adams demanded substantial corrections, and of
which dealt with the actual meat of John's claims. Adams
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didn't want to be called anti science, or an AIDS
denialist or a nine and eleven truther. He wrote this
to Forbes, I am contacting you to firmly request that
you immediately retract this article and refrain from allowing obvious
biotechnology frontman such as John Inteen to exploit your website
for such false and defamatory hit piece articles filled with
many factual errors and rumormongering. Falls into the category of
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cyber bullying. Are we still in his bio? No? No, no,
he's is what he wrote Forbes. That's a good letter though, Yes. Now,
because he's a real journalist, John Intene published the gigantic
document exhaustively laying out the evidence for every claim he
made against Mike Adams. You can go read it right
now on the subject of AIDS denial, and includes screen
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grabs of an article written by Mike Adams titled AIDS
The gray medical con is explained by data. Mike, Yeah, AIDS,
I'm denying it. Don't call me an AIDS denier. Here's
what he wrote in that article. HIV does not cause AIDS.
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HIV does not cause anything. A staggering statement, giving the
hype and acceptance of the scientific establishment and through them,
the public, that the HIV virus is the only cause
of AIDS. HIV is a weak virus and does not
dismantle the immune system, nor is aids passed on sexually.
Did he write this in the Reagan era? Like when
did he write that? No, that's like or some ship
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that's crazy? Yeah, Now that sounds almost like a daily
affirmation that he tells himself, Hey, don't worry about it, Mike, Mike,
We're gonna be fine. You can't get aids, Mike. Yeah. Now,
to back up his statement that Mike Adams is a
nine eleven truther, John Intane included this article that Mike
wrote jumping rope in nine eleven truth how sheep have
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been trained to avoid the unpopular truth about World Trade
Center seven. There's there's numerous examples of both of these things.
Is yeah, him of course being this kind of person. Yeah.
And while Adams accused John inteen of cyber bullying, the
email that he himself sent John seems to fit that
definition much better. As you are now well aware, you
are about to be named in a personal lawsuit which
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will cite the extensive body if you're defamation and cyber
bullying efforts, all of which have been archived in timestamp
for court evidence. You can count on this lawsuit requiring
considerable resources of your time and money for the foreseeable future.
You are no doubt also aware that I have many
friends in law enforcement and that we are simultaneously pursuing
an effort to have you arrested and charged with cyber
bullying crimes. Fairness, he is a ranger. Yeah, he is
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a ranger. He got those tabs, He got his Health
Ranger tabs. His Challenge coin is just a vial of
a bowl. Now, as far as I'm aware of, the
defamation suit against John Inteen did not proceed, and John
Inteen continues to write fantastic articles about Mike Adams. He
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was particularly furious in May of two thousand fourteen when
Doctor Oz, America's most prominent medical con man who will
probably sue me for that line, invited Mike Adams on
as a guest on the Doctor Oz Show. No, that's
not real, that that fucking happens. You can't do that.
You can't do that. That's crazy. That's that's second to
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the music video. Like you should lose your medical license
for sitting down and talking to Mike Adams and doing
anything but saying how dare you? Yeah? Yeah, absolutely show
medical license. Yeah, I'm still going to go with I
think we're going to put that in there too. Up
in there, I think we've learned that in America, not
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a goddamn thing will get a TV show taken. You
should lose your fucking freedom for that ship. Yeah, yeah,
it's pretty bad now. As Think Progress notes, the Doctor's
twelve minutes segment with the Health Ranger was concerned with
Adams's research into the levels of heavy metals contained in
a variety of supposedly organic foods. Dr Oz directed viewers
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to adams website in order to find out which Ginko,
Beloba protein and Coco supplements passed the test performed in
adams own lab. Those pages off a recommendations and esoteric
explanations and the levels of heavy metals discovered in each product,
but nothing on the methodology and instrumentation used to arrive
at these vital and commercially impactful conclusions. I really can't
overstate how fucking dangerous this is on Dr Oz's part.
(33:29):
Having Mike Adams on and giving them the chance to
plug his websites and wares and focusing the conversation on
one narrow area that seems legitimate is just about one
of the most irresponsible cases of platforming I can imagine,
and there's not even any evidence that adams Is research
into heavy metals on these drugs is accurate in any way,
shape or form. I think Progress reached out to eight
of the vendor's micro viewed badly on his website. They
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found that no one in the supplement industry was willing
to go on record talking about Mike Adams, one company's
president whose products are certified organic and meet all the
necessary standards of the when f d A agree to
talk on the condition of anonymity, stating that people in
our position don't want to validate his arguments or acknowledge them.
We don't want to kick him in case he decides
to come after us. The minute you open your mouth
on that echo chamber, you're on the defense and there
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is no coming back. That sounds that sounds real. Yeah,
that sounds entirely exactly what you'd expect. It's it's so
reasonable and so smart for them to do that, and
yet at the same time it makes you so sad
because what we should be doing is fighting fucking head on.
Is burned this guy to the ground. Yeah that sucks. Yeah. Now,
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over the last decade and change. There have been a
lot of alterations to the way the Internet works. Google's
altered their algorithm numerous times to trying to make life
harder for people like Mike Adams. The rights of social
media has further changed the landscape, and Mike has had
to adapt to stay relevant and profitable. Shark. He's like
a shark and the Internet is run entirely on windmills now. Also,
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sharks don't exist the global conspiracy. No, sharks do not exist.
That's obvious though. I found a great article by the
McGill Office for Science and Society published in twenty eighteen
that traced out Mike's online empire at what might have
been like proved to have been its height. They found
at least fifty websites owned by him, from natural News
and other phone news websites like GMO News and Medicine
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News and Vaccine News, to anti left wing sites like
Campus Insanity, Libtards dot news and Freedom dot News. There
were also the predictable prepper websites like Collapse dot News.
Quote from McGill on clarella factor dot com, a website
dedicated to an algae sold as a super food. You
will be scared into thinking every seller of clare Ella
wants to kill you, except for Adams, who, of course
(35:40):
wants you to know that his store offers clean clearella,
even if it means less profit than retailing cheaper, lower
quality Clarella. Well, Adams trots out this food sources a
defense against cancer. The evidence isn't there. On consumer Wellness
dot org you will find a legit looking portal for
a nonprofit that funds educational programs. Press releases on the
website claim that the center annually hands out educational grant
stage school children, expectant mothers in school, nutritional programs, and
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low income families. Under board of directors, a single person
is named Mike Adams. There's an invitation to join our
advisory board, but no members are listed. The site was
last updated in two thousand and sixteen that the organization
was granted tax eximp status in sneaky Yeah now? Was
that the same year scientology got taxics It's ship It
(36:24):
actually might have been. It was, Yeah, it wasn't. Yeah,
it was not that far away now. That report also
notes that Mike Adams has published a browser tool bar
designed to keep readers permanently connected to his online empire
even when they visit other sites. It's really smart. Yeah
that's that's crazy. Uh, ok, top smart. Yeah, I hate him.
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I hate him so much, but yeah, I hate him
even more because I'm like, fun, that's a good idea. Yeah,
it's a great idea. Now. I didn't download that toolbar
because I am not willing to have my laptop take
that bullet for this podcast. But I did some other research.
For one thing. Mike owns Nature PDA, which allows people
to look up ailments like ib S and see that
the healthiest keres or supplements that Mike Adam sells on
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his own stores, and that is coincidental. Yeah, so we're
we're weird how that works. Now. Mike also has his
own search engine, which he builds as a replacement to Google. Uh.
It's called good Gopher. Yeah, good Gopher. Uh. It's billed
is filtering out corporate propaganda and government disinformation. Um, well
(37:28):
it's it's not quite what I had expected. So I
found out about this and that McGill report which notes
that like searching for the Washington Post doesn't take you
to the Washington Post, it sends you to truth WICKI
Real Investigations, dot news and disinfo dot news. Um yeah, yeah,
yeah it So I I tried out good Gopher myself
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just to see what sort of results it gave, and
I entered in what is my very favorite single word
search term, which is just the word Hitler and nothing else.
I just I wanted to see where that took us.
I like it, that's a test. I like, yeah, what,
let's you see what he's got to say about him.
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If result one on that website is like it was
Hitler that bad guys, come on, then result three Jordan's
I'm guessing. Result one is the Sloan Foundation, which Alfred
the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation UM on truth Wicki. Result
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two is the I. G. Farben Pharmaceutical Conglomerate on truth Wicki.
And the result three was a blog called macro Cosmic
Thinking pot calling the kettle black the vilification of Hitler.
Oh god, yeah yeah. It's the kind of Nazi propaganda
(38:50):
that tries to mask itself. Is just correcting their record.
So it says that, like, you know, Hitler really wanted
peace with France and England after he invaded Poland they're
the ones who like pushed for war. Courts secret treaty,
he invaded a whole country, guys like like anyway. It
also notes that every side in World War Two used
labor camps, So really, was the Holocaust so bad? I'm
(39:12):
starting to come around on this guy. Now, Mike Adams
didn't write that, but the search engine that he built
provides that is the third return when you search just
the word Hitler. So yeah, but I feel like if
you search just the word Google in his search engine,
it would come back with like, was Hitler that bade Google?
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I did not. I did not tragically try that one. Um,
But that's the way it always kind of goes with
these folks who're like trying to create their own spaces
because they, like everyone else does this space is so terrible.
They create things like gab bit shoot and all that.
Then then it's just infested with exactly that sort of
search result, you know. Yeah, and and fucking Mike Adams
(39:58):
is the guy who built Google for Nazis. But if
you want some products that aren't for Nazis, check out
the products and services that support this podcast and our program. Uh,
they are not for Nazis. I don't even know what
ads they are. It might fucking be another coke industry's ad,
in which case that one kind is but the others
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definitely not products. We're back. Oh boy, I'm just I'm
doing my best with these ad plugs. You guys, you're
doing here. Yeah, I think you're doing great. That was
so that was a great hey ad. It was one
(40:40):
in the first episode. I think you're doing great. Sense Yeah, gold,
thank you. A lot of people say you shouldn't even
mention nazis close to making an ad plug, but I
think that's cowardice now. On June eight, two nineteen, The
Daily Beast published its first deep dive into natural news
dot com, the first one from a truly mainstream website.
(41:03):
The title was the new info Wars is a vitamin
site predicting the apocalypse. At the start of the article,
they point out a recent Natural News headline LGBT progressivism herrors.
Parents want to start physically maiming their own babies to
slice off all gender organs in the name of progressivism
and equality. The article is authored by Mike Adams, and
(41:26):
in it he writes the next esclaration of this war
on biology, will I predict involved parents maiming their newborn
infants by slicing off their penis and scrowed them shortly
after birth in order to rid the child of gender inequality.
So that why that don't any of these people bring
up like Barbie Dolls, Barbie and Ken dolls, like they
didn't have genitals. Why don't any of them bring that
(41:47):
up into their conspiracy, Like you're trying to normalize the
idea of not having the genitalia. Why not? Why would
you do that? I don't know, But why are you
giving these people free solutions? It's unfortunately something me and
George and do a lot. Yeah, we tend to give
punch up to the evils. So that article, as you
probably guess by the first bit, is not at all
(42:08):
him reporting on anyone actually suggesting that parents slice their
children's genitals off, but based on his prediction that parents
will start doing this because he's a maniac. Do you
think do you think that when circumcision was a thing
in in the Jewish community in the in the original tribes,
like seven thousand years ago, there were some people who
(42:30):
are like, man, here's what they're gonna do to you. Man,
They're gonna keep your penis on. That's why we gotta
cut it. Off, like this whole reverse lunacy of conspiracy theories.
Do you think circumcision is cutting a penis off? I
don't know, did they? Little way that? Very confused, There's
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no way to know. What I will tell you is
that every protest I've been to, there is one confused
elderly man walking around with a sign talking about how
circumcision is evil, regardless about what protest is about. It
could be a Black Lives Matter march, it could be
a protest for pot legalization. There's gonna be an old
guy with a sign about how circumcision is evil, and
all of them are Joe Biden. Definitely run into advocates
(43:13):
in my protests. It's always confusing. Yeah, it's just like what, dude,
come on now. Also The Daily I should note that
The Daily Beast pointed out the article was punctuated by
a mid page sales pitch for organic broccoli sprout capsules. Okay, okay,
all right, yeah, I sell that ship. Gotta sell that ship.
(43:37):
I could use a broccoli yeah, in pelform, the best
form for all medication. One day after the publication of
this article, the Beat Daily Beast article, which is really
quite good. Facebook band Natural News from their platform. This
followed bands from Google News, Apple, YouTube, Pinterest, and Twitter.
The band from Facebook came last, probably because Facebook is garbage,
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but it is probably the band that will hurt Mike
the most. After being banned, Mike took to right wing
news site Gateway Pundit to claim that he was the
victim of a vast and sinister conspiracy. The title of
that article was tag team tech terrorism. Facebook deletes conservative
leaning Natural News after Daily Beast publisher is horribly sourced
junk hit piece. According to Natural News founder Mike Adams,
(44:22):
the hit piece was so wildly inaccurate and horribly researched.
The details they published were so ridiculously fabricated that I've
never even heard of many of the accusations before. They
reported on actions by a previous owner several years ago.
Are nonprofit publishers public reports. I've never even taken a
salary from a nonprofit. They go on to note, it
certainly appears once again that liberal publishers are working with
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Facebook to eliminate conservative voices online. Mike Adams added, it's
clearly coordinated. The timing was irrefutable. It's tag team rico terrorism.
I love the phrase tag team Rico terrorism, because what
does that mean? Ricos? So it's two Ricos. One of
them is outside the ring, the other ones inside the ring. Okay, okay,
(45:03):
So when you're in the middle of case, you get
tagged out and there's a new judge who comes in.
Like if that like one Rico gets exhausted, they can
go to the side of the ring, and Rico just
gets tired. You can't, you know, your honor, I just,
I just I gotta take a break. I gotta take
a break your honor. We're gonna Yeah, you thought we
(45:25):
were done racketeering. Here's that. Yeah, that whole thing of
like people like they're tag teaming me. It's like that
in terms of wrestling rules, that's not really that much
of a difference than you're just fighting one guy. Like
if the other guy's tax you, then it's a disqualification
according to the rules. But when like a group of
people complains about you being dangerous for half a decade
(45:48):
and nothing is done and finally a major news site
writes an article about you, and then Facebook caves that's
not tag teaming. No, that's chickens coming home to roost. Yeah, yeah,
pickens coming home to Russ and also chicken shit behavior
on behalf of Facebook Now. After talking to Gateway pundit
Mike Next posted an angry response on Natural News, calling
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himself the victim of a smear campaign by techno fascists.
He unveiled a new graph which I should have sent
you guys, but didn't. It's just and yellow text at
the stop at the top it says enemies of humanity
then and it lists Adolph Hitler, Banita Mussolini, Joseph Stalin,
pol Pot, mousey Dung, and has all their pictures and
then underneath them and underneath the word now it has
(46:31):
underneath Adolph Hitler, Mark Zuckerberg, underneath Banita Mussolini, Jack Dorsey
of Twitter, underneath Joseph Stalin, Jeff Bezos, Yeah, underneath pol Pot,
Sundar Pacha. I we we're really running down the list quick.
(46:51):
And underneath mousey dung, Tim Cook from Apple Tim Cook,
and underneath Tim Cook is Nikolai Cho. For some reason
imagining this as a graph, I I I love it's
an infographic. I'd say I love comparing Jack Dorsey to
(47:14):
Benito Mussolini, because that one kind of kind of kind
of work kind here that kind of spot the funk on. UH.
A few days after this, Mike went on Info Wars
and talked to Alex Jones about his fears that Congolese
refugees at the border would be a bring a bola
(47:35):
into the United States. Yeah, we talked about that. We've, we've,
we've I have seamlessly sailed us into familiar waters to
drop you guys back off at your comfortable home. Um,
because I am a great captain. In this article or
in this episode, uh, Mike Adams accused these fleeing people
(47:56):
of being essentially a bioweapon, which is about a quarter
inch away for literal Nazi propaganda in the twenties and
thirties and how it represented Jewish refugees fleeing the Soviet Union.
He didn't essentially call them a bio weapon. He literally,
he straight up called them a bio weapon. Um. So
the guy who posted a recipe including drink some of
(48:17):
boll of virus called other people of viral bio weapon.
Yeah yeah, So it's him putting up an infographic that
says enemies of humanity and like sites the greatest dictators
in history as monsters. Is humorous to me for that
because he's basically making Nazi propaganda and also made Nazi google. Um.
(48:37):
But it's also a little bit I don't know. Humorous
is the wrong word to me. Uh, Mike Adams is
a war crimes denier. Is a Syrian war crimes denier.
That's that's that's the lead that I was awkwardly getting to. Uh.
In two thousand seventeen, after a chemical weapons attacked by
Charles Sad and Syrian civilians might quote it, a piece
of President Trump's addressed in a Natural News column, Assad
(48:58):
choked out the lives of innocent men and children. Was
a slow and brutal death for so many. Even beautiful
babies were cruelly murdered in this very barbaric attack. No
child of God should ever suffer such horror. That was
President Trump, And after quoting this, Mike Adams wrote, if
you replace the word Assad with c DC or the
vaccine industry, it all makes even more sense. Lastly, higher
numbers of children right here in America have been cruelly
(49:20):
murdered in the barbaric attack of toxic vaccines than have
ever been killed by chemical weapons in Syria. Ah. Yeah,
you gotta give it to a guy who swings for
the fences. Yeah, Casey is at the bat. Yeah, Casey is.
(49:41):
Casey is eating the bat in order to gain its powers.
I don't know what the funk that is. Um, that's
fuck you and Mike Adams. That's that's the whole that's
all I've got. That's the whole fucking episode. Yeah, he does.
He does suck tremendously. He's a He's a real piece
of shit. It's so weird that like so much of
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his uh like the the actual like career damage that
he's done so much of that, like perpetuating the anti
vax dangerous health ideas, and then somehow has pivoted into
the like worst political ideas too. It's own both of
those spaces. So like, seriously, they dove tell so well
(50:26):
into each other. Though, Like if you're and and it's
easy to use relative intelligence kind of words for it,
But if you're susceptible to the kind of right wing
rhetoric that gets you to hate random immigrants that you've
never met, that you have no concept of, why wouldn't
you be at the same time be susceptible to buying
(50:47):
pills that have cures for diseases that you've never heard
of her problems that you've never considered. You know, it's
it's the it's the same kind of a short circuit
in your brain that allows you to believe in both
of those things so easily. Yeah, And I do want
to return before we roll out to the kind of
question that I've been wondering throughout this research process, which
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is like, why didn't anyone know about this guy until recently?
Like why didn't he get more attention while he was
doing all this? And I wonder if some of it's
just that, like if you watch him actually speak or
watch his videos, Like I came across a bunch of
his videos that I was going to include in this
because they had crazy titles about vaccine denial. He's so
fucking boring. Yeah, Like when he actually talks, he's so
(51:31):
fucking boring. He is the blandest man in the world. Yeah.
But then when we go back to that idea of
like I want to trick people and thinking I'm poorer
than I am, Yeah, that that boringness is kind of
a self defense And speaking for myself as someone who's
listened to thousands of hours of Alex's show, like I've
run into him, like co hosting the show often, and
(51:52):
whenever I do, I'm like off, Like, I'm sure that
I could be more upset by him before. Um at
this point, had I've actually listened to the episodes the hosts,
but I just get five minutes in, Like, I'm not
interested in you. I'm trying to learn about Alex. You're
so goddamn boring, I think self defense. Yeah, and not
(52:12):
just that, but his is a career built entirely upon
s e O, like, entirely upon keywords just so him
speaking behind the scene exactly, So him speaking would be
boring because he's not creating his search words while he's speaking.
He can't extemporaneously do that, and so he doesn't get
(52:33):
any real traction from it. Fucking A. Yeah, I think
he's uh. I think he flies under the radar really well. Yeah,
well he has until Yeah, I mean he he definitely
did for a lot longer than Alex Jones. And I
think my nickname for him might be smart Alex Jones, yeah,
because that's essentially they had the same career path. He
(52:55):
just was smart enough and like I guess not quite
as narcissistic because he didn't need to put himself out
in front of things as often, and as a result,
he made way more money and hasn't been sued by people. Yeah,
so hopefully he will though, Yeah he should be. Yeah,
when you're when you at least have a good thirty
(53:16):
or steak and a lot of people dyeing of preventable diseases,
it feels like you should have some sort of karmic
reckoning coming somewhere along the line. And he openly doesn't
give a shit about karma, So there's that. Yeah, I
mean karmen Karma doesn't pay the fucking bills. Jordan's don't
pay You're you're telling the choir here on this. You
know what you know what pays the bills is vaccine zombie. Yes,
(53:41):
the ads do pay the bills. In my case, I
thought that was an amazing ad pivot there. No, no,
I mean, my karma is terrible, but it's because of
that cemetery. We don't need to get into that. Um
do you think he's ever made money off that rep song?
Do you think he's made a cent off that? God?
I don't know. The site says it only has twenty
(54:03):
six views, which can't be so what weird twelve of them? Yeah,
that that can't be accurate because it also it hasn't
changed since I viewed it multiple times. I think they've
view counter is just broken. Yeah, like I The first
comment on it is somewhere I just scrolled down to
(54:25):
the comments. The first comment is someone who's used her
name is the word liars, and it says that's so
good that guy has been on the internet from the beginning.
If his his name is liars, that's amazing. Oh dear
Sweet Jesus. Alright, guys, I'm exhausted. This is the episode
(54:49):
plug your plug doubles. Um. We have all podcasts called
Knowledge Fights. It's all about Alex Jones, and we put
out episodes three times a week Monday, Wednesdays, and Fridays.
People find us on iTunes, our websites, knowledge fight dot Com. Indeed,
we're at Knowledge Underscore Fight on Twitter and I'm at
go to bed Jordan's and uh, Twitter is chocolate full
(55:10):
of vaccine denial. Yeah, now that doesn't sound right. That
doesn't sound right. But yeah, and I will be hosting
Zany's in Old Town the entire month of July, so
if you want to come down and say hi, that'd
be great, and uh yeah, I am. I. I have
no uh anti vaccine content on my Twitter, but neither
ship post a lot about Nazis on it. So if
(55:32):
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Just look us up. You know what the name of
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bench pressing towards. It fuels me with the anger that
(55:55):
I need to to get that last couple of reps in.
So I I appreciate it. But at well, we only
pray that you're never trying to set a record. Well
we accidentally make a really funny line and you choke
yourself out with a dumb beelt. We pray that never happens.
That is the gamble that I take every time. But
you gotta gotta stay alive, you gotta stay feeling alive.
(56:17):
I'm a gambling man, and now, in true Alex Jones form,
I'm just going to start playing uh the Gambler and
singing along to it loudly the nanny that you will
listen little in joke for people who are up on
their aj knowledge there. Thank you so much for being
my guest today. Uh and thank all of you for listening.
(56:39):
The fucking podcast is over. Go do something good with
your lives.
M. What's lancing my Rectel Polyps. I'm Robert Evans hosted
Behind the Bastards, the podcast where we talking about the
worst people in all of history, and every week I
try a new and terrible introduction. Uh. My guests today
are Dan and Jordan from Knowledge Fight. What did you
think of that one? Guys? Was that? Was that? All right?
(00:20):
I thought it was okay? It was spectacular? Thank you,
Thank you? Are you guys big fans of Rextel Polyps? Big,
big fans, big fans. I had that feeling, and I
named my first son Paula. Ah, that's such a cute
name for a kid. I named my first son Rectel.
I was planning on having too, but you know, time
(00:40):
makes fools of us all. Indeed, Rexel Evans does not
sound like a good name. I don't want to be
born with that one. We we got a real boy
named Sue situation. Meanwhile, Paula Holmes, Yeah, Paula Holmes perfectly. Yeah,
Paul Holmes is a solid poul up. Paula Holmes is
(01:01):
going to cut one hell of an R and B album.
Rectel L. Evans is going to join Blackwater. Oh yeah, yeah,
I mean my goal with any child I have is
to be so bad at being their parents that we
wind up having a bloody, glass filled fight in a
bar at some point, like I want that experience from
(01:22):
the end of Boy Named Sue Um And then you
do an episode about your own Yeah, about my own father,
you do an episode about you if you name your
kidding rectels. We're talking about Mike Adams, a man who
talks about butts, but mainly to sell people silver that
they should put inside of their butts, which is a
(01:46):
real thing that Mike at himselves colonic silver, which is
but silver fun times. So, based on everything we've learned
about the Health Rangers so far, most of you probably
take it as a given that he's not exactly going
to be on the right side of the vaccine issue.
And so we're clear the right side of the vaccine
issue is that vaccines are good. I think we're in there.
(02:06):
I think we're all we should all be in agreement
about that one. Now. I'm still on team polio. I'm
still on team polio. It's coming back. You just that's
a defensible argument, though, if you're anti vaccine not because
you don't think they work, but because you hate people
and want them to get polio. That's a consistent line. Yeah. Absolutely.
If Exxon just came out and was like, we want
(02:28):
to kill people with our climate change bullshit, you'd be like,
I mean, I guess that's I guess that's a reasonable argument.
I don't know what to tell you there. I can
imagine just like the CEO of Exxon in a Patagonia
jacket at like some coast side, like putting his leg
up on like a boulder, lighting a cigarette and tossing
into the ocean and saying, here at Exxon Mobile, we
think the environment. You can argue with the conclusion, but
(02:55):
not how they Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like, Okay, at
least at least you're consistent. BP just released an official
statement changing their motto to uh, oh fuck them, just
get out of here. So yeah, I don't think anyone's
gonna be surprised to know that Mike Adams is a
staunch anti vaxer. I think you might be surprised to
learn how influential Mike has been in terms of helping
(03:18):
the anti vaccine movement grow and metastasize. Now it is
easy to trace the influence of stuff like that Wakefield
fucker's bullshit Lancet study because vaccination rates fell as soon
as it went viral. The impact of a guy like
Mike Adams is harder to parse out. It's clear that
he championed every single popular claim about vaccines being dangerous
there ever was. It's clear that he spread false information
(03:39):
about vaccines having toxic levels of mercury, that he ranted
about the supposed connection between vaccines and autism, and and
that he claimed that the medical establishment had engaged in
a systemic cover up campaign in order to suppress the evidence.
But like a lot of people have written about all
of that stuff, what makes Mike Adams special is the
size of his platform. I think prog rest notes. According
(04:01):
to the service com Score, natural News hosted over two
million unique visitors in the month of December two fourteen.
The websites Google page rank US is a respectable six,
and the same number enjoyed by other more mainstream preachers
in the natural space. The CEO of Whole Foods, John
Mackie's blog also receives a six. As to the landing
pages for Andrew Wheel and Deepac Chopra. They add that
Adams claims that he has personally authored over two thousand articles,
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including investigative articles, SAP, tire, and op ed, and that
his writings have collectively been read by over a hundred
million people over the last decade. Every Yeah, I think
we're gonna run into some of his satire later. Yeah yeah.
They note that Adams's news feeds regularly get higher numbers,
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like his news feeds are larger than that of the
Atlantic or the Los Angeles Times. Um so he's he's influential.
This is not just some guy ranting against vaccines. This
is some guy that more people trust than the Atlantic.
As long as nobody's reading Freeder's door. If I've and
I'm okay with that great one of my one of
my mortal enemies, I mean yeah, I mean history's greatest monster.
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But uh, talking about Mike Adams right now now. When
that thing Progress article dropped, Natural News had about one
and a half million followers on Facebook. By two thousand nineteen,
they had almost three million, which is more followers than
info Wars ever had at its height. John Inteen is
an author and award winning journalist. He runs the Genetic
Literacy Project, which fights misinformation about GMOs and other anti
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scientific gobbledegook. He's another one of the people who's been
writing about Mike Adams for years while the rest of
the world ignored him. His research confirmed that by two
thou nineteen, Adams claim to have more than three hundred
and sixty thousand subscribers to his daily newsletter and more
than four million monthly unique visitors to his websites. John
pointed out that Natural News ranked one eight hundred and
fourteen on the entire Internet. Let's put them roughly on
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par with the Mayo Clinic, well ahead of cancer dot gov,
which is less than half of the traffic of Natural News,
and way way way the funk ahead of the National
Institutes of Health National Center for Complimentary and Alternative Medicine,
which only gets seventy three thousand unique visits per year.
Probably the problem is that the n i H isn't
doing enough satire. Yeah, yeah, throws some fucking satire in
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the lazy bastards. So Mike's not just one member of
a chorus of loons talking about, you know, vaccines killing kids.
He's one of the like single people with the largest
megaphones for spreading this kind of stuff in the world. Um,
and the fact that he's a lot less flamboyant and
interesting than Alex Jones is the only reason why he's
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probably not more famous among actual scientists, though he has
been reviled four years as a major ARCon of disinformation.
I'm going to quote from one of John Inteen's articles. Now,
adams natural news dot com website has been characterized by
Brian Dunning of the fucking Dunning Kruger Effects the Science.
But yeah, like, hey, like that fucking guy, uh you know, yeah,
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the number one worst anti science website. Physician bloggers Stephen
Novella and clinical neurologist and assistant professor at Yale University
School of Medicine characterized Adams as a dangerous, conspiracy mongering
crank Oncologist David Gorski, a ka or called natural News
the wretchedest, scummiest, and quackiest website on the Internet. Alan
Livinowitz at James Madison University, professor writing for Slate wrote
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natural News is a cesspool of pseudo scientific in sanity,
season generously with political vitriol and outlandish conspiracy theories. So
most eily Cantina. Yeah, part of me, I know, I
was really stoked about Yeah, that's it. That's good. He's
he's the most Eisles Cantina of convincing parents not to
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give their kids measles vaccines. Those those quotes always make
me think of something. Uh. The problem with brilliant people
who are about stuff is that they get very poetic
in their insults. If if the guy just wrote and
slate this dude is a fucking idiot and if you
listen to him, you're a fucking moron. I think people
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would get it on a larger scale. Yeah, instead of
like he's the choffiest boy whoever chopped it. Well, this
gets into another problem. We were talking in the first
episode about like THEIRS data and FAIRS data and how
it's continuously misused by people, and like it exists for
a good reason and scientists created these things for a
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good reason. But this is why international science should hire
people like us to like, Okay, so we think we're
gonna have this kind of database, we'll put it here
for the whole public. U. No, no, no, no, no,
that's gonna be a bad idea. Let me tell you, yeah,
let me tell you what's gonna happen. Like, Yeah, there
should be a Council of people who know how grifters think,
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like sitting down with brilliant science and being like, here's
why you need to take a different tact. Here's here's
the whole they're going to find their way through, and
then after the fact they need us also to clown
on them like the Mic adams Is of the world,
as opposed to like just responding, yeah, you dunk on
these fools. Yeah now. Brian Dunning is noted above pointing
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out that natural News is very influential, saying for it's
frighteningly large influence and abysmal quality of information, it earns
the number one spot on this list of anti science websites.
The influence that natural news dot com gained has led
to peer reviewed papers actually mentioning it. For example, Wayne
Parrott in the University of Georgia uh Journal of New
Biotechnology wrote an article defending genetically modified food, and as
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an example of the allegations he was addressing, included a
Natural News article. I've also found another study that list
listed natural News is one of twenty or so like
influential voices in the anti vaccine movement. But these these
peer reviewed studies are mentioning natural News as a bad thing. Yes, ok, yeah, yeah,
they are saying this is an example of a dangerous
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influence that is causing people to believe lies. Yeah no,
you meant that. It was like they were being cited. Okay,
christ No. Now, while I was researching this article, I
came across a study published by the n i H
which I don't know if you guys know this, but
it has a terrible Google ranking, very unimpressive traffic um.
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The study was published in two thousand eighteen and it's
titled the Anti Vaccine Movement of Regression in Modern Medicine.
It opens my noting the premise of the anti vaccination
movement can also be contributed to the demonization of vaccines
by news and entertainment outlets. Voices such as Jenny McCarthy's
have proven to be influential, sweeping fear and distrust into
parents minds by parading as autism experts. Now interestingly enough,
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Mike Adams was one of the earliest and maybe the
most prominent people to spread Jenny McCarthy's ill educated not
anti vaccine nonsense. In two thousand ten, Mike Adams published
an article titled Andrew Wakefield Scientific Censorship and fourteen Monkeys
a State a statement. A statement by Jenny McCarthy and
Jim Carrey. I want to go back in time and
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talk to me in the nineties and just be like, hey,
you know that show singled out, that's gonna get people measles,
good luck, that's gonna cause dead diseases to come back
to life years. No one's going to look good involved
in this. Yeah. The other The other thing too, about
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Mike Adams at this all this stuff, is like he's
actually good friends with Wakefield, Like him and Wakefield are buddies. Yeah,
they live in Austin. I'm sure they are drinking with
Alex Jones. Well, Mike Adams doesn't drink, but so he says,
he also has nine percentile in sobriety. He is and
m I T just could not stop flinging themselves at him.
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So before essentially this article was just Mike Adams publishing
unedited a statement by Jim Carrey and Jenny McCarthy about life.
Vaccine are bad, and before he published their and edited words,
he wrote this introduction. When it comes to vaccines, Jenny
McCarthy and Jim Carrey get it. They see how the
pharma industry is engineering a campaign to silence Dr Andrew
Wakefield in order to suppress the publication of startling new
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evidence linking vaccines to severe neurological damage at great risk
to their professionals careers, Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carey have
found the courage to dare to tell the truth about
vaccines and autism despite the vicious attacks by the pro
vaccine zealots. It will stop at nothing to destroy anyone
who challenges conventional vaccine mythology. McCarthy and Carrey have issued
a powerful, inspired statement that reveals the truth behind the
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big pharma smear campaign that is intent on destroying the
reputation of Dr Andrew Wakefield before you can publish the
final results of this important new study. He never never
published the new study, of course, not because if I, Yeah,
if I were Mike and I was writing that, I
would have thrown in something like Jim to quote Jim Carrey,
somebody stopped me before. I don't vaccinate my child. Something
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kid is smoking with the measles. I can't think of
any good Jim Carey quotes right now, something about the Majestic.
I was gonna, I was gonna try to say syphilis,
but in the same voice he says, alrighty then, but
I can't do a good gym carey, so I'm not
even gonna trysi. Yeah, yeah, sure, sure, sure sure. A
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quick question, Um, yeah, I've been wondering this a bunch
if Big Pharma weren't so actively shitty, like if they
were actually often like a bunch of chill folk. No,
I mean, like, if they were acting ethically all the time.
Of course, Mike Adams would still make these stupid bullshit claims.
There's no reason not to. You know, it doesn't matter
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if they're on the up and up or not. But
since they are so fucking inethical, is it? Do you
think that contributes to how easy people find it to
believe his bullshit? I think not the vaccine I want
to say not the vaccine parts of the pharmaceutical industry,
because as a general rule, like, I'm not aware of
much in the way of shadiness that goes on with
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that specific chunk of it. But I think stuff like
the sacklers in the opioid epidemic, and like jacking up
the price of various medications like insulin, Like I'm that
all definitely contributes to people's general mistrust of the pharmaceutical industry. Um,
and yeah, it's if we lived in some sort of
crazy society where we all paid, you know, people like
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us paid thirty or forty bucks a year, people who
had millions of dollars paid more, and it just funded
huge amounts of medical research. And then medication was available
free or at cost, as opposed to being for profit endeavor.
Maybe this stuff would have less traction, and diabetics wouldn't
be rationing their insulin in order to pay rent. Maybe
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both of those things could happen. I don't know. That
seems like a crazy, crazy nonsense off society could function
that way. Our our system where a company lies about
the addictiveness of OxyContin for twenty years and two people die,
is clearly more sustainable. Yeah. Now, there exists on this
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glorious Internet of ours a website called Jenny McCarthy body
count dot com. It includes an exhaustively sourced count of
every preventable illness caused by anti vaccine bullshit and every
death from two thousand seven to two fifteen. Why isn't
Jim Carrey getting a little bit of that? And Mike
Adams isn't he as much a part of this? They
do focus unfairly on Jenny McCarthy. I thought it was
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I thought it was just a website that chronicled every
picture she has on the internet. They would actually be
similar numbers, because Jenny McCarthy body count dot com counts
a hundred and fifty two thousand, seven hundred and sty
two preventable illnesses and nine thousand deaths, and that's up
to two. Now it's your own conclusion in your own
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head is to how many of those deaths and illnesses
we can pin on Mike Adams for being a major, major,
one of the most prominent spreaders of Jenny McCarthy's bullshit.
But I'm gonna say he gets it, he gets a
cut of it, like one of those things like I'm
never never too interested in assigning like full blame or anything. Yeah,
you're a part of this. That means you get you
get your part, You're just in it. You're in the
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conversation of who's you get your share whatever that is.
Of all of these, it does seem like blaming, blaming dumb,
dumb celebrity for believing dumb ship doesn't make any sense,
Like The real issue is the people who exploit her dumb,
dumb bullshit for their own game. I mean, think about
how many celebrities have had dumb, harmless beliefs over the years. Yeah,
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like John Wilkes Booth, Like John never heard anybody. Now,
I only read about Wilkes Booth in terms of his
his career up to eighteen sixty four as an actor,
but never harmed anybody. And he's not today. It's the
greatest hold on. He's the Tom Hecks of his day. Yeah. God,
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what if Tom Tanks assassinates a president? What would that?
Can you imagine America? I'm not saying this one, I'm
saying a president. I'm just like, no, I agree, imagine
America grappling with that. It would be way tougher for
me to watch that Carly ray Jepson video. Number one concern,
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you see, I'm just thinking about what an intense news
cycle that would be. Uh So that in a h
study I cited a little earlier on the growth of
the anti vax movement is emphatic about the role the
Internet has played in spreading this nonsense. It does not
name natural News directly, but it makes a very clear
point about how dangerous the kind of misinformation Mike Adams
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trucks in truly is quote. Not only are these tactics
deceitful and dishonest, they are also effective on many parents.
A study that evaluated how effectively users assessed the accuracy
of medical information about vaccines online concluded that fifty of
student participants thought retrieved sites were entirely accurate. However, out
of the forties sites they were given, only eighteen were
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actually accurate, while twenty two were inaccurate. These sites were
not evidence based and argued vaccines were inherently dangerous. About
any merit based argument, more than half of participants left
the exercise with consistent misconceptions about vaccines. Research has also
shown that viewing an anti vaccine website for merely five
to ten minutes increased perceptions of vaccine risks and decreased
perceptions of the risks of vaccine omission compared to visiting
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a control site. The study also found that the active
vaccine sentiments obtained from viewing the website still persisted five
months later, causing the children of these parents to obtain
fewer vaccinations than recommended. The role of the online access
to false anti vaccination information just cannot be understated, and
examining the rise of the spread of the anti vaccine movement.
So that's a study on exactly what Mike adams website does.
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And they're like, there's documented evidence that sites like has
produced a real impact in terms of stopping people from
vaccinating their kids. And he has spread this kind of
stuff two millions and millions and millions and millions of people.
And now it's time for an ad break. Now when
I come back, joy these supplemental products. I'm not thank you,
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thank you, thank you. I've been practicing training every morning.
I get up and jug up a mountain like Rambo
or Rambo but the other movie that stallone was in,
and then practice my transitions, uh Cliffically, they're getting better.
Now when we come back, guys, it's finally time for
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Mike Adams's rap. I don't I don't even know what
to call it, his rap, his peace, you know, I mean,
it's it's it's beautiful, it's perfect beautiful, his achievement. It's
a cheap okay, his Wu tang esque accomplishment. Does he
have eight other dudes with him? Actually? Maybe? But first products,
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and we're back. We're back, and we're about to listen
to the rap video that Mike Albums put out. Now,
this is not separated albums right there. Hell yeah, yeah,
he's Mike Albums when he's cutting an EP like this. Now, this,
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this rap song was part of his anti vaccine campaign
and its title is Vaccine Zombie. Now, before you go
any further, can I ask you if you know who
produced this was this? Like, I think it's all Mike Adams.
I think this is all Mike. Now, Q Tip didn't
even have a hand in this. I don't as far
as I'm aware. As far as I'm aware, I think
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old dirty bastard shows up at some point. Good glad,
he's glad his hologram is still guesting. Um. Now, I
I this is a three minute long video and there's
it's too information DNS to play all at once. So
I'm gonna ask you Dan to play the first minute
of the video and then uh, we will stop it
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and we will play the second minute of the video.
In parenthes is the health record, He says more than
one million Americans are all written infective, play Safe for Shelby,
get Vaccinating, Swan films coming Black like it's like seven
to six. You gotta probably get back. But not that
the vaccine don't give and that because those medical quacks.
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I'm making money off that vaccine to protest people like that,
walking me well contagious. The truth is outrageously. Don't just
hold the drug companies made this flu and you can
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they can do. One of them made this. You got
to say this. Don't don't infect me, don't infect me
in all chemical don't check me, don't infect me, needle
in my brain, a medical record, don't don't refuse me,
push a medical lies and try to confuse Alright, alright, alright, alright,
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that's uh, that's unbelievable. That is the opening credits to
a Nick Krall produced shows How Would You Do? What? What?
We got to describe the animation for the listeners, because
they're not going to be seeing this. This art rudimentary
seems like a good place to start in terms of describe,
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I would say two thousand nine era flash animation. I
would give it that. There's also I have happened to
pause it right at a point where it's clearly a
Michael Jackson. The whole thing is clearly on Michael Jackson.
Rip off. Yeah, there there is. There's a one of
the zombies is clearly a knock on Michael. I don't
know what's going it's not it's not similar to it.
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There's no similarities between the song and thriller. It's just
about vaccine zombies and Michael Jackson dressed as a zombie
at one time. So he's the centerpiece of the video. Ohoy. Creatively,
he could do worse. Yeah, but he doesn't write a
terrible hook. I've heard yeah, I and I do do
anything the doctors tell me. So I I identify with
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the character. And this is from too so like this
is before a lot of the evolution of rap. Kendrick
had only released his first album at this point. The time,
he doesn't even know about this ship. Oh yeah, and
I think this one probably had a big impact on
Kendrick Lamar. I think, yeah, I think he might have
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created a trap You just pulled that from thin air.
I'm just trying to sound cool as an old man,
being like one of the kids really do these days?
I know trap music is a thing. My music is
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more like discharged. I'm still listening to Scott and Carly
ray Us. Well, hey, let's Scott Scott never died and
is as famous and beloved as it's always been. And
that's the end of that discussion. Let's play the rest
of this album. All right, here we go song, Don't
you know Swam made bomb man pharmaceutical scam. It's so dope.
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I don't know. Okay, yeah, check you. They impact you.
I'm actually getting into that, use you. They say the
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same in your life, really confuse you. Oh your kids
shoot him up, just gotta get it. Tears and the
babies and the tears and when they get paralyzed. There's
been realized there's no data. Undo the big drug companies
and making them killing, collecting the billions and getting the
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way like a jazz bomb villain, because the villain to
do almost anything just to make money with the flu vaccy. Wow.
You guys had a pretty strong reaction to Mike Adams
appearing in the flesh on that video. Yeah. I wasn't
ready for the animation changed from like goofy cartoons to
Mike Adams in a rotoscope list undershirt. Oh god, Yeah,
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that's that's about enough. I suspect of that. That's that's frightening. Yeah,
that's it's a lot. It's a lot to take in, um,
but you you get an idea of how Mike makes
his arguments about vaccinats to people well up and fall
off if you if you vaccinate yourself. That's one of
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those like watching that part of that especially, Like it's
that weird middle ground that I don't understand exactly how
to figure out what's what. Like there's a clear attempt
to be funny. Clearly he's trying to be funny on
some level. Yeah, yeah, but it's mixed in with these
um audacious, unproven medical claims. It's it's hard to figure
out where the line is. Like, how much of that
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nut sex stuff was a joke? Yeah? It does. Mike
Adams really believe that. So every girlfriend I've ever had
has said that to me, the vaccines are going to
shrivel you on nuts. Know how much of that nut
sex stuff is a joke? Oh oh well yeah, Now
we should probably talk a little bit more about what
kind of person Mike Adams is. I I just wish
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we had more detail about his life. So tragically, we're
going to have to refer back to the bio on
his website where he notes Adams has no criminal record
and has never been arrested. Bio. That's that's I actually
wrote it in your bio too. He avoids alcohol, smoking, coffee,
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and all recreational drugs. He has never used recreational drugs
in his entire Life's kind of think he might have
used recreational drugs. Yeah. Yeah, if you have to preemptively
deny something, that's probably because you already did it. But also,
how do you do an alternative news site that has
stuff about crystals and not smoke some weed? Like, how
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do that? Doesn't that seems very incongruous to me? It does?
It does, Adams notes in his website. Adams is not
known to appear on the social scene and usually spends
time in nature rather than socializing. He's occasionally spotted in
public at the Whole Foods market in Austin, Texas. Adams
is well trained in hand to hand combat, firearms, and
self defense. He has authored numerous courses on self defense
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and personal protection. So Mike Adams goes to Whole Foods
and he'll fucking kill you. Yeah, I like that. He's
not you know, you're not going to find him at
a debutop ball, but he'll be at the whole foods
and he has trained tell you'll fuck you up? Tell
me how much friends there is between that and maybe
the unibomber's self described bio like like, come on, man,
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Kauzynski wasn't good at Judo. No, no, he was not
uh terrible at Judo. Incredible presence on the Graham though,
really took to social media like a duck takes to water. Now.
One thing we all know for sure about Mike Adams
is that he has thin skin when it comes to
people criticizing him directly. This might be part of why
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he's not more widely known. On April third, two fourteen,
John inteen wrote a profile of Adams for Forbes, where
he is a contributor. Mike lashed out to Forbes the
same day, claiming John's article contained factual and accuracies and slander.
He told Forbes to take it down and they folded
like an oregamy crane. Adams demanded substantial corrections, and of
which dealt with the actual meat of John's claims. Adams
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didn't want to be called anti science, or an AIDS
denialist or a nine and eleven truther. He wrote this
to Forbes, I am contacting you to firmly request that
you immediately retract this article and refrain from allowing obvious
biotechnology frontman such as John Inteen to exploit your website
for such false and defamatory hit piece articles filled with
many factual errors and rumormongering. Falls into the category of
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cyber bullying. Are we still in his bio? No? No, no,
he's is what he wrote Forbes. That's a good letter though, Yes. Now,
because he's a real journalist, John Intene published the gigantic
document exhaustively laying out the evidence for every claim he
made against Mike Adams. You can go read it right
now on the subject of AIDS denial, and includes screen
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grabs of an article written by Mike Adams titled AIDS
The gray medical con is explained by data. Mike, Yeah, AIDS,
I'm denying it. Don't call me an AIDS denier. Here's
what he wrote in that article. HIV does not cause AIDS.
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HIV does not cause anything. A staggering statement, giving the
hype and acceptance of the scientific establishment and through them,
the public, that the HIV virus is the only cause
of AIDS. HIV is a weak virus and does not
dismantle the immune system, nor is aids passed on sexually.
Did he write this in the Reagan era? Like when
did he write that? No, that's like or some ship
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that's crazy? Yeah, Now that sounds almost like a daily
affirmation that he tells himself, Hey, don't worry about it, Mike, Mike,
We're gonna be fine. You can't get aids, Mike. Yeah. Now,
to back up his statement that Mike Adams is a
nine eleven truther, John Intane included this article that Mike
wrote jumping rope in nine eleven truth how sheep have
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been trained to avoid the unpopular truth about World Trade
Center seven. There's there's numerous examples of both of these things.
Is yeah, him of course being this kind of person. Yeah.
And while Adams accused John inteen of cyber bullying, the
email that he himself sent John seems to fit that
definition much better. As you are now well aware, you
are about to be named in a personal lawsuit which
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will cite the extensive body if you're defamation and cyber
bullying efforts, all of which have been archived in timestamp
for court evidence. You can count on this lawsuit requiring
considerable resources of your time and money for the foreseeable future.
You are no doubt also aware that I have many
friends in law enforcement and that we are simultaneously pursuing
an effort to have you arrested and charged with cyber
bullying crimes. Fairness, he is a ranger. Yeah, he is
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a ranger. He got those tabs, He got his Health
Ranger tabs. His Challenge coin is just a vial of
a bowl. Now, as far as I'm aware of, the
defamation suit against John Inteen did not proceed, and John
Inteen continues to write fantastic articles about Mike Adams. He
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was particularly furious in May of two thousand fourteen when
Doctor Oz, America's most prominent medical con man who will
probably sue me for that line, invited Mike Adams on
as a guest on the Doctor Oz Show. No, that's
not real, that that fucking happens. You can't do that.
You can't do that. That's crazy. That's that's second to
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the music video. Like you should lose your medical license
for sitting down and talking to Mike Adams and doing
anything but saying how dare you? Yeah? Yeah, absolutely show
medical license. Yeah, I'm still going to go with I
think we're going to put that in there too. Up
in there, I think we've learned that in America, not
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a goddamn thing will get a TV show taken. You
should lose your fucking freedom for that ship. Yeah, yeah,
it's pretty bad now. As Think Progress notes, the Doctor's
twelve minutes segment with the Health Ranger was concerned with
Adams's research into the levels of heavy metals contained in
a variety of supposedly organic foods. Dr Oz directed viewers
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to adams website in order to find out which Ginko,
Beloba protein and Coco supplements passed the test performed in
adams own lab. Those pages off a recommendations and esoteric
explanations and the levels of heavy metals discovered in each product,
but nothing on the methodology and instrumentation used to arrive
at these vital and commercially impactful conclusions. I really can't
overstate how fucking dangerous this is on Dr Oz's part.
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Having Mike Adams on and giving them the chance to
plug his websites and wares and focusing the conversation on
one narrow area that seems legitimate is just about one
of the most irresponsible cases of platforming I can imagine,
and there's not even any evidence that adams Is research
into heavy metals on these drugs is accurate in any way,
shape or form. I think Progress reached out to eight
of the vendor's micro viewed badly on his website. They
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found that no one in the supplement industry was willing
to go on record talking about Mike Adams, one company's
president whose products are certified organic and meet all the
necessary standards of the when f d A agree to
talk on the condition of anonymity, stating that people in
our position don't want to validate his arguments or acknowledge them.
We don't want to kick him in case he decides
to come after us. The minute you open your mouth
on that echo chamber, you're on the defense and there
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is no coming back. That sounds that sounds real. Yeah,
that sounds entirely exactly what you'd expect. It's it's so
reasonable and so smart for them to do that, and
yet at the same time it makes you so sad
because what we should be doing is fighting fucking head on.
Is burned this guy to the ground. Yeah that sucks. Yeah. Now,
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over the last decade and change. There have been a
lot of alterations to the way the Internet works. Google's
altered their algorithm numerous times to trying to make life
harder for people like Mike Adams. The rights of social
media has further changed the landscape, and Mike has had
to adapt to stay relevant and profitable. Shark. He's like
a shark and the Internet is run entirely on windmills now. Also,
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sharks don't exist the global conspiracy. No, sharks do not exist.
That's obvious though. I found a great article by the
McGill Office for Science and Society published in twenty eighteen
that traced out Mike's online empire at what might have
been like proved to have been its height. They found
at least fifty websites owned by him, from natural News
and other phone news websites like GMO News and Medicine
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News and Vaccine News, to anti left wing sites like
Campus Insanity, Libtards dot news and Freedom dot News. There
were also the predictable prepper websites like Collapse dot News.
Quote from McGill on clarella factor dot com, a website
dedicated to an algae sold as a super food. You
will be scared into thinking every seller of clare Ella
wants to kill you, except for Adams, who, of course
(35:40):
wants you to know that his store offers clean clearella,
even if it means less profit than retailing cheaper, lower
quality Clarella. Well, Adams trots out this food sources a
defense against cancer. The evidence isn't there. On consumer Wellness
dot org you will find a legit looking portal for
a nonprofit that funds educational programs. Press releases on the
website claim that the center annually hands out educational grant
stage school children, expectant mothers in school, nutritional programs, and
(36:03):
low income families. Under board of directors, a single person
is named Mike Adams. There's an invitation to join our
advisory board, but no members are listed. The site was
last updated in two thousand and sixteen that the organization
was granted tax eximp status in sneaky Yeah now? Was
that the same year scientology got taxics It's ship It
(36:24):
actually might have been. It was, Yeah, it wasn't. Yeah,
it was not that far away now. That report also
notes that Mike Adams has published a browser tool bar
designed to keep readers permanently connected to his online empire
even when they visit other sites. It's really smart. Yeah
that's that's crazy. Uh, ok, top smart. Yeah, I hate him.
(36:44):
I hate him so much, but yeah, I hate him
even more because I'm like, fun, that's a good idea. Yeah,
it's a great idea. Now. I didn't download that toolbar
because I am not willing to have my laptop take
that bullet for this podcast. But I did some other research.
For one thing. Mike owns Nature PDA, which allows people
to look up ailments like ib S and see that
the healthiest keres or supplements that Mike Adam sells on
(37:05):
his own stores, and that is coincidental. Yeah, so we're
we're weird how that works. Now. Mike also has his
own search engine, which he builds as a replacement to Google. Uh.
It's called good Gopher. Yeah, good Gopher. Uh. It's billed
is filtering out corporate propaganda and government disinformation. Um, well
(37:28):
it's it's not quite what I had expected. So I
found out about this and that McGill report which notes
that like searching for the Washington Post doesn't take you
to the Washington Post, it sends you to truth WICKI
Real Investigations, dot news and disinfo dot news. Um yeah, yeah,
yeah it So I I tried out good Gopher myself
(37:50):
just to see what sort of results it gave, and
I entered in what is my very favorite single word
search term, which is just the word Hitler and nothing else.
I just I wanted to see where that took us.
I like it, that's a test. I like, yeah, what,
let's you see what he's got to say about him.
(38:10):
If result one on that website is like it was
Hitler that bad guys, come on, then result three Jordan's
I'm guessing. Result one is the Sloan Foundation, which Alfred
the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation UM on truth Wicki. Result
(38:30):
two is the I. G. Farben Pharmaceutical Conglomerate on truth Wicki.
And the result three was a blog called macro Cosmic
Thinking pot calling the kettle black the vilification of Hitler.
Oh god, yeah yeah. It's the kind of Nazi propaganda
(38:50):
that tries to mask itself. Is just correcting their record.
So it says that, like, you know, Hitler really wanted
peace with France and England after he invaded Poland they're
the ones who like pushed for war. Courts secret treaty,
he invaded a whole country, guys like like anyway. It
also notes that every side in World War Two used
labor camps, So really, was the Holocaust so bad? I'm
(39:12):
starting to come around on this guy. Now, Mike Adams
didn't write that, but the search engine that he built
provides that is the third return when you search just
the word Hitler. So yeah, but I feel like if
you search just the word Google in his search engine,
it would come back with like, was Hitler that bade Google?
(39:36):
I did not. I did not tragically try that one. Um,
But that's the way it always kind of goes with
these folks who're like trying to create their own spaces
because they, like everyone else does this space is so terrible.
They create things like gab bit shoot and all that.
Then then it's just infested with exactly that sort of
search result, you know. Yeah, and and fucking Mike Adams
(39:58):
is the guy who built Google for Nazis. But if
you want some products that aren't for Nazis, check out
the products and services that support this podcast and our program. Uh,
they are not for Nazis. I don't even know what
ads they are. It might fucking be another coke industry's ad,
in which case that one kind is but the others
(40:19):
definitely not products. We're back. Oh boy, I'm just I'm
doing my best with these ad plugs. You guys, you're
doing here. Yeah, I think you're doing great. That was
so that was a great hey ad. It was one
(40:40):
in the first episode. I think you're doing great. Sense Yeah, gold,
thank you. A lot of people say you shouldn't even
mention nazis close to making an ad plug, but I
think that's cowardice now. On June eight, two nineteen, The
Daily Beast published its first deep dive into natural news
dot com, the first one from a truly mainstream website.
(41:03):
The title was the new info Wars is a vitamin
site predicting the apocalypse. At the start of the article,
they point out a recent Natural News headline LGBT progressivism herrors.
Parents want to start physically maiming their own babies to
slice off all gender organs in the name of progressivism
and equality. The article is authored by Mike Adams, and
(41:26):
in it he writes the next esclaration of this war
on biology, will I predict involved parents maiming their newborn
infants by slicing off their penis and scrowed them shortly
after birth in order to rid the child of gender inequality.
So that why that don't any of these people bring
up like Barbie Dolls, Barbie and Ken dolls, like they
didn't have genitals. Why don't any of them bring that
(41:47):
up into their conspiracy, Like you're trying to normalize the
idea of not having the genitalia. Why not? Why would
you do that? I don't know, But why are you
giving these people free solutions? It's unfortunately something me and
George and do a lot. Yeah, we tend to give
punch up to the evils. So that article, as you
probably guess by the first bit, is not at all
(42:08):
him reporting on anyone actually suggesting that parents slice their
children's genitals off, but based on his prediction that parents
will start doing this because he's a maniac. Do you
think do you think that when circumcision was a thing
in in the Jewish community in the in the original tribes,
like seven thousand years ago, there were some people who
(42:30):
are like, man, here's what they're gonna do to you. Man,
They're gonna keep your penis on. That's why we gotta
cut it. Off, like this whole reverse lunacy of conspiracy theories.
Do you think circumcision is cutting a penis off? I
don't know, did they? Little way that? Very confused, There's
(42:50):
no way to know. What I will tell you is
that every protest I've been to, there is one confused
elderly man walking around with a sign talking about how
circumcision is evil, regardless about what protest is about. It
could be a Black Lives Matter march, it could be
a protest for pot legalization. There's gonna be an old
guy with a sign about how circumcision is evil, and
all of them are Joe Biden. Definitely run into advocates
(43:13):
in my protests. It's always confusing. Yeah, it's just like what, dude,
come on now. Also The Daily I should note that
The Daily Beast pointed out the article was punctuated by
a mid page sales pitch for organic broccoli sprout capsules. Okay, okay,
all right, yeah, I sell that ship. Gotta sell that ship.
(43:37):
I could use a broccoli yeah, in pelform, the best
form for all medication. One day after the publication of
this article, the Beat Daily Beast article, which is really
quite good. Facebook band Natural News from their platform. This
followed bands from Google News, Apple, YouTube, Pinterest, and Twitter.
The band from Facebook came last, probably because Facebook is garbage,
(43:59):
but it is probably the band that will hurt Mike
the most. After being banned, Mike took to right wing
news site Gateway Pundit to claim that he was the
victim of a vast and sinister conspiracy. The title of
that article was tag team tech terrorism. Facebook deletes conservative
leaning Natural News after Daily Beast publisher is horribly sourced
junk hit piece. According to Natural News founder Mike Adams,
(44:22):
the hit piece was so wildly inaccurate and horribly researched.
The details they published were so ridiculously fabricated that I've
never even heard of many of the accusations before. They
reported on actions by a previous owner several years ago.
Are nonprofit publishers public reports. I've never even taken a
salary from a nonprofit. They go on to note, it
certainly appears once again that liberal publishers are working with
(44:42):
Facebook to eliminate conservative voices online. Mike Adams added, it's
clearly coordinated. The timing was irrefutable. It's tag team rico terrorism.
I love the phrase tag team Rico terrorism, because what
does that mean? Ricos? So it's two Ricos. One of
them is outside the ring, the other ones inside the ring. Okay, okay,
(45:03):
So when you're in the middle of case, you get
tagged out and there's a new judge who comes in.
Like if that like one Rico gets exhausted, they can
go to the side of the ring, and Rico just
gets tired. You can't, you know, your honor, I just,
I just I gotta take a break. I gotta take
a break your honor. We're gonna Yeah, you thought we
(45:25):
were done racketeering. Here's that. Yeah, that whole thing of
like people like they're tag teaming me. It's like that
in terms of wrestling rules, that's not really that much
of a difference than you're just fighting one guy. Like
if the other guy's tax you, then it's a disqualification
according to the rules. But when like a group of
people complains about you being dangerous for half a decade
(45:48):
and nothing is done and finally a major news site
writes an article about you, and then Facebook caves that's
not tag teaming. No, that's chickens coming home to roost. Yeah, yeah,
pickens coming home to Russ and also chicken shit behavior
on behalf of Facebook Now. After talking to Gateway pundit
Mike Next posted an angry response on Natural News, calling
(46:09):
himself the victim of a smear campaign by techno fascists.
He unveiled a new graph which I should have sent
you guys, but didn't. It's just and yellow text at
the stop at the top it says enemies of humanity
then and it lists Adolph Hitler, Banita Mussolini, Joseph Stalin,
pol Pot, mousey Dung, and has all their pictures and
then underneath them and underneath the word now it has
(46:31):
underneath Adolph Hitler, Mark Zuckerberg, underneath Banita Mussolini, Jack Dorsey
of Twitter, underneath Joseph Stalin, Jeff Bezos, Yeah, underneath pol Pot,
Sundar Pacha. I we we're really running down the list quick.
(46:51):
And underneath mousey dung, Tim Cook from Apple Tim Cook,
and underneath Tim Cook is Nikolai Cho. For some reason
imagining this as a graph, I I I love it's
an infographic. I'd say I love comparing Jack Dorsey to
(47:14):
Benito Mussolini, because that one kind of kind of kind
of work kind here that kind of spot the funk on. UH.
A few days after this, Mike went on Info Wars
and talked to Alex Jones about his fears that Congolese
refugees at the border would be a bring a bola
(47:35):
into the United States. Yeah, we talked about that. We've, we've,
we've I have seamlessly sailed us into familiar waters to
drop you guys back off at your comfortable home. Um,
because I am a great captain. In this article or
in this episode, uh, Mike Adams accused these fleeing people
(47:56):
of being essentially a bioweapon, which is about a quarter
inch away for literal Nazi propaganda in the twenties and
thirties and how it represented Jewish refugees fleeing the Soviet Union.
He didn't essentially call them a bio weapon. He literally,
he straight up called them a bio weapon. Um. So
the guy who posted a recipe including drink some of
(48:17):
boll of virus called other people of viral bio weapon.
Yeah yeah, So it's him putting up an infographic that
says enemies of humanity and like sites the greatest dictators
in history as monsters. Is humorous to me for that
because he's basically making Nazi propaganda and also made Nazi google. Um.
(48:37):
But it's also a little bit I don't know. Humorous
is the wrong word to me. Uh, Mike Adams is
a war crimes denier. Is a Syrian war crimes denier.
That's that's that's the lead that I was awkwardly getting to. Uh.
In two thousand seventeen, after a chemical weapons attacked by
Charles Sad and Syrian civilians might quote it, a piece
of President Trump's addressed in a Natural News column, Assad
(48:58):
choked out the lives of innocent men and children. Was
a slow and brutal death for so many. Even beautiful
babies were cruelly murdered in this very barbaric attack. No
child of God should ever suffer such horror. That was
President Trump, And after quoting this, Mike Adams wrote, if
you replace the word Assad with c DC or the
vaccine industry, it all makes even more sense. Lastly, higher
numbers of children right here in America have been cruelly
(49:20):
murdered in the barbaric attack of toxic vaccines than have
ever been killed by chemical weapons in Syria. Ah. Yeah,
you gotta give it to a guy who swings for
the fences. Yeah, Casey is at the bat. Yeah, Casey is.
(49:41):
Casey is eating the bat in order to gain its powers.
I don't know what the funk that is. Um, that's
fuck you and Mike Adams. That's that's the whole that's
all I've got. That's the whole fucking episode. Yeah, he does.
He does suck tremendously. He's a He's a real piece
of shit. It's so weird that like so much of
(50:04):
his uh like the the actual like career damage that
he's done so much of that, like perpetuating the anti
vax dangerous health ideas, and then somehow has pivoted into
the like worst political ideas too. It's own both of
those spaces. So like, seriously, they dove tell so well
(50:26):
into each other. Though, Like if you're and and it's
easy to use relative intelligence kind of words for it,
But if you're susceptible to the kind of right wing
rhetoric that gets you to hate random immigrants that you've
never met, that you have no concept of, why wouldn't
you be at the same time be susceptible to buying
(50:47):
pills that have cures for diseases that you've never heard
of her problems that you've never considered. You know, it's
it's the it's the same kind of a short circuit
in your brain that allows you to believe in both
of those things so easily. Yeah, And I do want
to return before we roll out to the kind of
question that I've been wondering throughout this research process, which
(51:08):
is like, why didn't anyone know about this guy until recently?
Like why didn't he get more attention while he was
doing all this? And I wonder if some of it's
just that, like if you watch him actually speak or
watch his videos, Like I came across a bunch of
his videos that I was going to include in this
because they had crazy titles about vaccine denial. He's so
fucking boring. Yeah, Like when he actually talks, he's so
(51:31):
fucking boring. He is the blandest man in the world. Yeah.
But then when we go back to that idea of
like I want to trick people and thinking I'm poorer
than I am, Yeah, that that boringness is kind of
a self defense And speaking for myself as someone who's
listened to thousands of hours of Alex's show, like I've
run into him, like co hosting the show often, and
(51:52):
whenever I do, I'm like off, Like, I'm sure that
I could be more upset by him before. Um at
this point, had I've actually listened to the episodes the hosts,
but I just get five minutes in, Like, I'm not
interested in you. I'm trying to learn about Alex. You're
so goddamn boring, I think self defense. Yeah, and not
(52:12):
just that, but his is a career built entirely upon
s e O, like, entirely upon keywords just so him
speaking behind the scene exactly, So him speaking would be
boring because he's not creating his search words while he's speaking.
He can't extemporaneously do that, and so he doesn't get
(52:33):
any real traction from it. Fucking A. Yeah, I think
he's uh. I think he flies under the radar really well. Yeah,
well he has until Yeah, I mean he he definitely
did for a lot longer than Alex Jones. And I
think my nickname for him might be smart Alex Jones, yeah,
because that's essentially they had the same career path. He
(52:55):
just was smart enough and like I guess not quite
as narcissistic because he didn't need to put himself out
in front of things as often, and as a result,
he made way more money and hasn't been sued by people. Yeah,
so hopefully he will though, Yeah he should be. Yeah,
when you're when you at least have a good thirty
(53:16):
or steak and a lot of people dyeing of preventable diseases,
it feels like you should have some sort of karmic
reckoning coming somewhere along the line. And he openly doesn't
give a shit about karma, So there's that. Yeah, I
mean karmen Karma doesn't pay the fucking bills. Jordan's don't
pay You're you're telling the choir here on this. You
know what you know what pays the bills is vaccine zombie. Yes,
(53:41):
the ads do pay the bills. In my case, I
thought that was an amazing ad pivot there. No, no,
I mean, my karma is terrible, but it's because of
that cemetery. We don't need to get into that. Um
do you think he's ever made money off that rep song?
Do you think he's made a cent off that? God?
I don't know. The site says it only has twenty
(54:03):
six views, which can't be so what weird twelve of them? Yeah,
that that can't be accurate because it also it hasn't
changed since I viewed it multiple times. I think they've
view counter is just broken. Yeah, like I The first
comment on it is somewhere I just scrolled down to
(54:25):
the comments. The first comment is someone who's used her
name is the word liars, and it says that's so
good that guy has been on the internet from the beginning.
If his his name is liars, that's amazing. Oh dear
Sweet Jesus. Alright, guys, I'm exhausted. This is the episode
(54:49):
plug your plug doubles. Um. We have all podcasts called
Knowledge Fights. It's all about Alex Jones, and we put
out episodes three times a week Monday, Wednesdays, and Fridays.
People find us on iTunes, our websites, knowledge fight dot Com. Indeed,
we're at Knowledge Underscore Fight on Twitter and I'm at
go to bed Jordan's and uh, Twitter is chocolate full
(55:10):
of vaccine denial. Yeah, now that doesn't sound right. That
doesn't sound right. But yeah, and I will be hosting
Zany's in Old Town the entire month of July, so
if you want to come down and say hi, that'd
be great, and uh yeah, I am. I. I have
no uh anti vaccine content on my Twitter, but neither
ship post a lot about Nazis on it. So if
(55:32):
you want if some of that, you can go to
I right okay on Twitter. You can find this podcast
on the internet behind the Bastards dot com. You can
buy a t shirt off of t public dot com.
Just look us up. You know what the name of
this podcast is because you listen to it, and please
do check out Knowledge Fight. It's my favorite podcast for
bench pressing towards. It fuels me with the anger that
(55:55):
I need to to get that last couple of reps in.
So I I appreciate it. But at well, we only
pray that you're never trying to set a record. Well
we accidentally make a really funny line and you choke
yourself out with a dumb beelt. We pray that never happens.
That is the gamble that I take every time. But
you gotta gotta stay alive, you gotta stay feeling alive.
(56:17):
I'm a gambling man, and now, in true Alex Jones form,
I'm just going to start playing uh the Gambler and
singing along to it loudly the nanny that you will
listen little in joke for people who are up on
their aj knowledge there. Thank you so much for being
my guest today. Uh and thank all of you for listening.
(56:39):
The fucking podcast is over. Go do something good with
your lives.
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