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November 14, 2025 66 mins

The gang discuss the end of the government shutdown, the release of Epstein emails, a J6 bomber theory, and the wonders of the Trump economy.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Cool Media.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
This is it could happen here or Executive Disorder, our
weekly newscast covering what's happening in the White House, the
crumbling world, and what it means for you. I'm Garrison
Davis Todame, joined by Mia Wong, James Stout, and Robert Evans.
This episode, we are covering the week of November fifth
to November thirteenth.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
That's how I feel about the week.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
Yeah, that's how you feel.

Speaker 5 (00:33):
Well.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
The shutdown is now over, the longest shutdown in US history.
Last weekend, eight Democratic senators caved on the shutdown, approving
a deal to reopen the government without extending the existing
Obamacare subsidies, gaining only a promise to have a Senate
floor vote on healthcare tax credits sometime in December, with

(00:57):
no indication given that this vote would pass the Chamber
and no commitment from Speaker Mike Johnson that he would
hold a vote in the House. None of the Democratic
senators that sided with the Republicans are up for reelection
in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 5 (01:13):
Yeah, and I think that suggests pretty clearly that this
was orchestrated in stage by the Democratic Party as a whole.
You don't have Oh, we picked eight specific people you
can't vote against in the next cycle. Yeah that Yeah,
it was very clearly just stage managing.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Specifically with the Schumer being somewhat in charge of the Senate,
that Democrats, who likely would have been the person orchestrating this,
who himself did not vote for this deal, was able
to personally vote against it despite likely being the one
orchestrating this entire deal. Yeah, two of the senators who

(01:47):
signed on are retiring at the end of their term.
But even if we can't get health care through this
shutdown bill, you know what these Democrats.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
Did able to squeeze it in.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Well, I don't know if the Democrats squeze did in there,
but it is in there. That's a Delta eight hemp
THHC band, which is inclusive, horrible in the Senate funding bill,
absolutely awfully.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yeah, of course they did.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
A boy hattie, and the hemp industry has gotten angry
about this. They're they're planning to fight it in twenty
twenty six. I guess we'll all see because it takes
a while to take effect. But yeah, that is there's
a lot of hemp farms in Kentucky that are pissed
off right now.

Speaker 5 (02:30):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
So we can't get healthcare, but at least we also
can't get HEMP, THHC. So what if there wasn't bread
or circuses?

Speaker 5 (02:40):
What would happen? Then?

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Wow, we would vote for the Democrats mere because they
have the least bad option. I think that's how that
got It's right. I've been on Blue Sky a few
times this week. I think I've got it pretty drilled in.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Catherine Cortes Maestro of Nevada, Dick Derman of Illinois, John
Fetterman of Pennsylvania, maying Asan of New Hampshire, Tim Kaine
of Virginia, Angus King of Maine. No King's protest member
just dropped. Catherine Cortez Mosto of Nevada, and Jean Shaheen

(03:13):
of New Hampshire speaking of the Senate and the Oversight Committee,
this whole Jeffrey Epstein, things doesn't seem to be going away,
does it?

Speaker 6 (03:24):
Man?

Speaker 3 (03:26):
Like you, I was a skeptic about like, could there
be anything in there that's actually gonna hurt Trump if
he hasn't been hurt so far by everything that is
out there? And I don't know. I guess I'm still
a little bit of a skeptic, but it's increasingly hard
to be because like, how much? How could it be
worse than this?

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yeah, that's something that isn't this how to be worse.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Than Donald Trump was at Jeffrey Epstein's mansion and walked
into a glass door because he was so busy oggling children.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
The fact that this is what they released to distract
you from the stuff they don't want to release, well
is one of the Democrats?

Speaker 2 (04:05):
Oh to be fair, well both This was the emails
they were able to subpoena from Jeffrey Epstein's estate as
a part of the Oversight Investigation into the federal government's
investigation of the Epstein files. Yesterday, the Oversec Committee released
this batch of files related to the Epstein investigation, mostly
of note a series of emails from about twenty eleven

(04:27):
to twenty nineteen, including one from Epstein written to Maxwell
from twenty eleven quote, I want you to realize that
the dog that hasn't barked is Trump. Victim redacted named
victim spent hours at my house with him. He has
never once been mentioned, police chief, etc. I'm seventy five

(04:47):
percent there. In a short email, exchange from December twenty eighteen,
an unknown individual sent Jeffrey Epstein this message.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
Quote, it will all blow over.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
They're really just trying to take down Trump and doing
whatever they can to do that, with Epstein replying yes, thix, thanks,
it's wild because I am the one able to take
him down. Whatever could he mean by that?

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yeah, who knows.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
There's no way to tell. There's absolutely no way to tell.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
If you are currently in high school English class and
people tell you will not be able to make billions
of dollars if you are unable to use grammar, punctuational
capital letters correctly. That that appears not to have been
an impediment to Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 4 (05:32):
Jeffrey Epstein's typing style is fascinating.

Speaker 5 (05:34):
It's awful.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Well, it's extremely distinctive, which I suppose is a valuable
thing in itself.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
No, it's it's it's fascinating, But I mean, there's a
lot of different emails of note. A twenty nineteen email
from Epstein to Michael Wolfe quote Victim marl Argo redacted.
Trump said he asked me to resign, never a member ever.
Of course he knew about the girls, as he asked
Galaine to stop unquote.

Speaker 5 (06:03):
Which, by the way, the way that I've been I've
been seeing that quote passed around is just that he
knew about the girl's part, which makes it a little
bit technically ambiguous as to what he's talking about. But
the second part being as he asked just Lane to stop, Oh,
that's as blatant as he could possibly be. Right, what
Emste's saying there was really clearer.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
The main thing that's clear from this exchange is, at
the very least, the tend to which Trump was very
aware of Epstein's activities.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
Yeah, yeah, well, in which everyone was not just fucking
Donald Trump, but like the Obama Whitehouse's chief legal counsel
from twenty eleven twenty fourteen, right, who he messaged with
regularly and seems to have been flirting with him. Right,
she seems to have been into him. And they're all

(06:54):
just kind of casually or he is with them casually
joking about like being a pedophile.

Speaker 5 (07:00):
Well, yeah, there's emails from Steve Bannon here, who he's
just chatting with, like emails, Yeah, appear keel at one point.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
The Steve benn In exchange is from twenty nineteen from
Jeffrey Epstein talking about a recent state visit message Prince
Andrew and Trump today too funny. Another reply from Epstein
recall Prince Andrew's accuser came out of mar A Lago

(07:28):
and response from Bannon, can't believe nobody's making you the
connective issue Jesus Christ dwild wildly blatant stuff. In exchange
from twenty fifteen from Michael Wolf to Jeffrey Epstein, I
hear CNN is planning to ask Trump tonight about his
relationship with you, either on air or in scrum. Afterwards,

(07:53):
Epstein replied, if you were able to craft an answer
for him, what do you think it should be. Wolf
responded to that quote, I think you should let him
hang himself. If he says he hasn't been on the
plane or to the house, then that gives you a
valuable pr and political currency. You can hang him in
a way that potentially generates a positive benefit for you,

(08:16):
or if it really looks like he could win, you
could save him generating a debt. Of course, it is
possible that when asked, he'll say, Jeffery is a great
guy and has gotten a raw deal. It is a
victim of political correctness, which is to be outlawed in
a Trump regime.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Managine putting that in writing to a Gmail address.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
Gmail is a fascinating choice by FTV.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Yeah right, yeah yeah. Also the fact that every goddamn
one of these messages ends with synth on my iPad
is it's just constantly amusing, said to my h They're
always like two extra spaces between sentences, Like you can
tell they're old people typing on iPads a lot of
the time with their fucking clumsy ass fingers. Yeah, beautiful,

(09:00):
It's beautiful.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
Tech si is huge.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
Some really disturbing exchanges from Epstein and a man named
Lendon Thomas Junior, with Epstein saying would you like a
photo of Donald and girls in bikinis in my kitchen?

Speaker 3 (09:16):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Bro, Hawaiian tropical girl Lauren Potrella. Epstein then sent a
link displaying an image of a woman quote my twenty
year old girlfriend in ninety three that after two years
I gave to Donald unquote. One thing I want to
note here is that Thomas Junior, yeah, baby, long long

(09:38):
time journalist at the New York Times, and she's just
handed this financial journalist.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
Yes, so he couldn't do anything with it. He could
do nothing with it. Obviously, he's a financial journalist. He
can't report on what financier Jeffrey Epstein tells him about
Donald Trump walking into a glass door because he was
oggling and children at Jeffrey Epstein's mansion. That's a thing
that Jeffrey joked about to him, and The New York

(10:06):
Times never printed. Yeah, in twenty sixteen they had this.

Speaker 5 (10:12):
Yeah, Yeah, there's a tendency and I understand why to
get sort of burned out on this right to be like,
oh my god, it's more Epstein news. But we should
be furious about this. Yeah, this was you know what
we have here? And this isn't even the stuff they're
trying to hide, right, This isn't the Epstein files. This
is just the emails that the Oversight Committe has been
able to get right, and it suggests very plainly that

(10:35):
we are ruled by a group of pedophiles. And I
refuse to call them a cabal, because cabal implies that
they work in the shadows. They were not. The entire
ruling class knew this was going on openly.

Speaker 4 (10:45):
By joking about it.

Speaker 5 (10:46):
Yeah, they don't care. Yeah, they think it's funny.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
There's this exchange from twenty seventeen between Jeffrey and an
unknown individual where Jeffrey says, you are welcome at my
house always and more private. The prisoner's bonds very well.
Just send me the address again and the code to
the door so I can get to the second floor
and send me the day and time. Thanks, Jeffrey said
ten pm. Should I bring special cake from New York?

(11:13):
The unknown individual responded yes, and then once they arrived,
they sent the message quote I'm at the door, but
I will wait for my time. I don't want to
come early to find Trump in your house to laughing emojis,
twenty seventeen.

Speaker 5 (11:29):
Christ.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (11:30):
And the reason they're doing this, right, the reason they're
they're so blatant about this reason. They all think it's
so funny. The reason they're just doing this over completely
unencrypted email in a way that like someone planning a
completely legal protest where you stand outside of a building
with signs right, would not plan it like this. So
the reason they're doing this is that these people and

(11:53):
men like them have been ruling this country for five
hundred years. In an uninterrupted line from Columbus's fucking crew
through on Hispaniola through Jefferson and Sally Hemming's like to
Epstein is an uninterrupted mine. They think that they are
completely invincible and that no one will ever challenge them,
And you know, maybe maybe they're fucking right. For all

(12:13):
of the sort of moaning and complaining about woke censorship
and me too and cancel culture, these people never shot
the fuck up ever at any point. All of these
people are running around to their fucking Epstein conferences taking
a bunch of money to talk about eugenics.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
Well, and that's I mean, there's there's some fun stuff
about that in here too, because he was emailing with
Lawrence Krauss less eugenics and more hatred of women where
not too like, there were very funny emails where Kraus
was being like, you know, I'd made a comment of
a speech that half of all the IQ in the
world comes from women, but they're more than half the population.

(12:48):
Ha like a lot of just like casual. It's it's
a really interesting insight into how people at kind of
the highest levels of finance and government and just wealth
in general and in media communicated with each other during
this period of time. I'm sure it's different now. Because
people are even less good at writing. But yeah, it's

(13:10):
a useful. It's a snapshot that we don't get anywhere
else of like this chunk of the I mean talking
about that fucker at the New York Times, who, by
the way, was shitcan in twenty nineteen for soliciting donations
from Jeffrey Epstein and not informing them of his personal relationship.
But again, the Times never published anything based on their conversations.

(13:33):
It's the same group of people who have been telling
us every issue that like it might changentally be connected to,
like transitioning is newsworthy, and it's incredibly newsworthy if this
like official at a college might have plagiarized once in
their childhood or in their youth. But it's not newsworthy

(13:55):
at all to talk about the possible future president walking
face first and do a glass door because he's staring
at naked children in a pedophiles mansion.

Speaker 5 (14:05):
This is the period. This is the period where they
were they were running stories about the food at Grenell College. Yeah,
and you can and you know, and there's another I
think part of this too, where if if you look
through these things, you can find these people all complaining
about me too. Right, yeah, you can. You can find
these people all doing their sort of like oh, these
are all those same people who do all of the
like oh, like we're the bold truth tellers, blah blah blah,

(14:27):
we're being censored by like cancer culture. I want to
take a stab at the question that these that you're
actually not allowed to ask, you know. And what I
say you're not allowed to ask is these people don't
want you to ask. All the fucking hedge fund manage,
the CEOs, all the senators, all the presidents, every one
of these fucking files does not want you to ask
a simple question. Why do we have a ruling class?
Like we gave them five hundred years of running this

(14:49):
continent and do you know what they produced again? Five
hundred years of uninterrupted pedophiles. Right, we are on we
are on year five hundred of this from like Colabus
Jefferson to right, So why do we have this?

Speaker 3 (15:03):
That's just not how people people. No one's going to
a store or to the politics store, or heading out
to vote and voting for another year of the pedophile
ruling class. People don't really think. People don't tend to
think about it that way and in part they don't
because the ruling strata of the United States has not
portrayed itself in the same unbroken way, right, Like it

(15:27):
very much makes an effort not to in public. And
there's an extent to which it is. It's certainly different
than like the old aristocracy of the British and the
landed gentry that ruled the British Empire. It's not exactly
the same, but it is like the same kind of
people and in a lot of cases the same families
that continue to control large amounts of wealth and inherent

(15:49):
political power. I mean, there's another fucking Kennedy who seems
like a nice kid getting into politics just as we speak, right,
I don't know. I think I feel like we'll have
a dedicated an episode on more of the Epstein stuff,
like and there's an extent to which I keep thinking
about that, like bitten community, where it's like no one's
on the other side of this issue that's listening to
this podcast. Everybody's very angry about the pedophilia. Everybody's very

(16:13):
angry about all of this stuff, and I have mostly
been interpreting it through just like laughing over the last
day or two, which is bad because it's like really
bad stuff. You shouldn't just do that at it. But
like what else what other reactions? Like you can pick
and choose whatever you do. I think to your point, Mia,
however you react to this is not going to change anything, right, yeah,

(16:35):
like so far it hasn't.

Speaker 5 (16:37):
Yeah, well, but I mean, okay, I don't think that's
completely true. You can watch how just like pissed off
and scared these people were about like about me too, right,
and like you can you can go listen to bann
It a couple of weeks ago talking about how if
they lose the election, like we're all going to prison. Yeah, right,
like these people are like concerned about even like me too,

(16:58):
which was a fairly milk like it wasn't like a
particularly radical feminist movement right now, and these people were
losing their fucking minds about it. And you know, like
we we have the potential to organize feminist movements that
can actually do things about this shit, Like we we
are capable of building new feminist movements. We did one
not that long ago that was a big part of

(17:20):
this administration collapsing the first time, and we can do
it again.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
I'm not saying there's no point in fighting them. I'm
just saying, like your reaction the moment to the Epstein
leagues doesn't matter as much as is this going to
Is this going to cause any kind of like long
term resistance to the administration? Is this going to And
maybe it will, But like I guess the thing that

(17:46):
I'm curious about is like what what is what are
what are we doing to try and make this matter? Right,
because like that's that's where I am.

Speaker 5 (17:55):
Yeah, But the answer to the question is this going
to matter? Is also, don't think that every single one
of us decides, right, because if we all just do nothing,
then yeah, nothing will happen. Right. If we go mobilize
and we go do things to resist these people, we
intensify the things we're already doing. If we start doing
new things, if we start doing new sort of feminist insertioncies, right,

(18:18):
then things can change. But if we don't, they're not
going to and we're just going to have another five
hundred years with these pedophiles ruling everything.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
Yeah, I mean, I think that it's probably more a
matter of like this is likely to shift more people
away from the GOP, at least in the immediate future.
I don't think in the long term, I don't know
that you don't build a coalition off of this, because
the dims certainly aren't trying to you at least get
this like wider awareness of where the real problem was.

(18:50):
But I just don't know.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
I think it's going to be utilized electorally by some
Republicans to eventually decouple the party from Trump. Yeah, after
this becomes more and more evident and they're looking for
a way to get themselves out of becoming the Trump Party,
and turning on him specifically through this issue will probably
be one of the methods in which they do that.
And you see that with some with some people like
even like Margor Taylor Green and Lauren Bobert.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
Yeah, Rod Dreer is writing about some stuff adjacent to this, Right,
These are the guys who think Vance needs to lead
the party away from Trump.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah, yeah, and are already viewing Trump as a as
a sort of lame duck presidency in insomuch is that
he's kind of failed to do a whole bunch of stuff,
especially on the economy, in the past year. The midterms
are about to get up and running. That's gonna take
up a whole bunch of energy that everyone expects the
Dems to do very well in the midterms and then
prevent the Trump administration in the final two years from

(19:43):
getting much of anything done through blocking things in Congress.
And that's what a lot of people on the far
right are like taking this situation as as basically January
to now was the second Trump administration. This is the
most said they're going to get done, and now it's
kind of all downhill from here. Yeah, and they're looking

(20:06):
far beyond Trump now.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
Yes, I want to tack back to the Times real
quickly before we move past this. Like garretson, some of
those emails you read, if I'm not mistaken, were like

(20:29):
in December of twenty eighteen.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Right, Yeah, the twenty eighteen ones are Epstein saying I
am the one able to take him down.

Speaker 4 (20:41):
That one's from twenty eighteen.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yeah, Okay, So let's talk about I mean, the week
before the midterms and all week after midterms in terms
of Times front page stories. Right the week before the
midterms twenty eighteen, the Times ran twelve stories on the
quote unquote migrant caravan on the front page round twenty fourth.
Oh yeah, I remember that right the week after it

(21:03):
ran five, the migrant caravan continued to grow as more
people are I was physically present in Tijuana right as
the caravan was arriving, and I continued to be present
for the rest of that year. The caravan conteaum to grow,
and what people continued to come. Right, this is and
a choice was made not to cover the Epstein stuff
that Roberts spoke about. Right. A choice was also made

(21:26):
at that time to really like this caravan was not huge.
It was large, but it wasn't a hugely remarkable number
of migrants, and it occupied twelve front page stories during
that one week before the election. Right. I don't know
how else I can say this, Like they're literally saying,
look over there.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
Yeah, well, and I guess that's part of my fear
gear is I think that is accurate as to how
things are going to play out, and that the dims
will have a good midterm and probably pretty good results
in the twenty twenty. That's less clear to me, you know,
because in part if the DIM's have a really good
twenty twenty six and then things continue to get worse,

(22:06):
maybe we'll blame the party. I don't know. Who's going
to show up on the you know, after Trump that
that's all a little unclear. But what worries me is
that in the mix of all that we're going to
get away from and I think this is almost inevitable,
actual accountability for these people, Like I don't foresee they're
being strong punished. I foresee things moving forward, possibly in

(22:29):
a way where they get quite a bit better, but
not where I don't see the likelihood of these people
getting punished. And I don't know that somebody running in
twenty twenty eight on a platform of we're going to
hang these people in the street would win, But I
think it's worth a shot.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Yeah, yeah, it's pretty far off, I really know. Yeah,
I'm not sure how much this will still be relevant
by then. I mean after Mike John's for seven weeks
delayed the swearing in of Arizona representative at Elitea Grihalva.
She was finally sworn in yesterday on Wednesday and became

(23:10):
the two hundred and eighteenth required signature on the discharge
petition to force a floor vote for the full release
of the Epstein files. Johnson says this vote will happen
next week. During this process. Trump held an emergency meeting
in the Situation Room with Pam Bondie, Todd Blanche, and

(23:33):
Cash Bettel to convince Lauren Bobert to take her name
off the petition, which would then result in it not
being complete and forcing the vote. They are certainly in
a panic over this. The whole White House team is.
This morning Thursday, Press Secretary Carolyn Levitt put out an
amazing post on X the Everything app quote. If not

(23:55):
for the Jeffrey Epstein story, CNN would be forced talk
about how Chuck Shue we're in. The Democrats got shellacked
by President Trump and Republicans in the government shut down fight.
It's clear this there's another Democrat and mainstream media hoax
fueled by fake outrage distract when the President's wins, Republicans
don't be fooled. President Trump will remain focused on making
America affordable again if not for the Jeffrey Epsteeth story.

(24:20):
If not, aren't we all saying that if the President
wasn't a pedophile, then everyone would love him.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
If not for the child molestation, he'd be allowed to
live in this neighborhood.

Speaker 4 (24:37):
I want to mention the Macon Kelly thing.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
In terms of in terms of Republicans reacting to this
and trying to find a way to sort through. And
some of them are manufacturing like consent, like making Kelly here,
and others I think are quite ready to just throw
Trump to the wolves.

Speaker 5 (24:51):
Frankly, Yeah, there's a so Megan Kelly, I'm not going
to play the clip from you all because having to
listen to Making Kelly's.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
I've listened to four four hours to make and Kelly
this week.

Speaker 5 (25:01):
Miya, Yeah, let's no more. But she has this whole
line about how she knows someone who's close to the
case and has all the details and that person thinks that, Yeah,
her exact quote is, I think there's a difference, a
difference between a fifteen year old and a five year old.
I mean she literally is talking about how, oh he
was into the he wasn't into four or five year olds.
He's talking about She says this and I quote barely
legal types, and then she says fourteen or fifteen, which.

Speaker 4 (25:25):
No legal Just pause, pause right.

Speaker 5 (25:28):
There, fourteen fifteen not legal. I think there was a
conversation to be had about descent to which the barely
legal like just turned eighteen. Shit is to a large
extent of product of like American pedophile culture and misogyny.
But like, those are fourteen and fifteen year olds, and
this is the like, you know, this, this is the
defense of these people are are dragging out for this,
which is that oh well he wasn't like literal like

(25:50):
like five year olds. So actually it's they're like they're
they're they're they're they're doing the libertarian thing. It's like,
isn't the be a file or whatever? The fuck?

Speaker 2 (25:57):
I think a lot of this is also the result
of like the QAnon idea that like they're traffic four
year olds and like, no, this is mostly like really
young teenagers. That's mostly what these guys are into and
making Kelly specifically was talking about Epstein.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
Is seven really young. They're six fifteen to seventeen year
old girls. Right. That's the part of the problem is
that a huge number of not just men, but largely
men in this country don't see fifteen to seventeen year
old girls as children.

Speaker 5 (26:25):
Which they are. And yeah, that's really a pro Yeah,
it's just struggling, just incredible structural misogyny, that's just yeah,
And so that's what they're sort of trying to bake
all of this stuff as now, and I guess we'll
see whether it works or not, just because Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Don't think this line from Megan Kelly is going to
be very successful on a large scale of but phobophelia.
I don't think it's I don't think it's gonna work.
I I her motivations for this are I'm sure not great.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
Now, you don't know that, Garrison, and I think.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
It's on She is pulling from this like a QAnon
brain idea, right, that these are a whole bunch of
like basically infants.

Speaker 4 (27:05):
Yeah, well, what else do you want to talk about?

Speaker 3 (27:10):
Let's talk about January sixth and the terrorisms.

Speaker 4 (27:15):
Sure, I love no either of those things.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
I Garrison, you love terrorism.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
I had a fun day, No, honestly, I had a
great January sixth.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
That's good.

Speaker 4 (27:27):
That was a really fun morning for me.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
That was a hoot of a day. Boy, howdie when
they breached the capital doors? Great time? Well windows first,
but yeah.

Speaker 4 (27:37):
I think you mean when the FBI breached the capital
doors for sure.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
Yes, So this all takes me to the sub stack
of a guy named Rod Dreyer. Rod is he wouldn't
call himself a fascist. But if you ever bring up
is this specific fascist from history bad, he'd say, well,
not compared to the communists they stopped, right, that's the
kind of conservative if that Rod is he's basically friends

(28:01):
with He's basically friends with Victor or Bid. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (28:06):
Didn't he just write a piece called our women ruining
the workplace?

Speaker 3 (28:10):
He's written several like that, ye, because think he's just
like the piece I'm talking about was ago one he
came out with on November tenth called what I Saw
on Herd in Washington, and he was at a meeting
with President Vice President James Darryl Vance, not Dol. Yeah,
James Dolan Vance. That's a good James Dolan. You're a
real New Yorker. Now, Garet, are you pissed about the

(28:30):
Knicks permanently?

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Now?

Speaker 4 (28:33):
Basketball's too masculine for me.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
So he came out with this article about this this
meeting that that Vance had with Victor Orbon and some
other Republican luminaries. And for a little bit of context,
Dreyer is again, you wouldn't call him an anti Trumper.
You'd call him a guy who thinks that Trump is
going to doom the right and doom the right to
fascism unless jd Vance can save them. He actually has
a recent His most recent column is basically jd Vance

(28:55):
is the only person who can save the right wing
from fascism. And here's a weird dude who like reads
a lot of Hannah a Rent but absolutely does not
understand her. But this article of his based on this
meeting is useful for a couple a couple of reasons.
One that I'm sure Gary and I will talk about
more detail later is Dreyer estimates in here that thirty
to forty percent of these zoomers who are working for

(29:18):
the Republican Party in DC are gropers aka fans of Holocaust.
And I are and true true? Yeah? Is that? What
is that what eugen z kids are saying for? Truth? Garrison? Yeah,
that's okay, okay, that's truth. I can't keep it a
great deep track of that's shit anymore?

Speaker 1 (29:34):
Truth nuke Great, Now.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
That makes sense, Duke.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
Sure, Yeah, they're all gropers, or at least forty percent are.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
Thirty thirty forty percent? And I actually eat number one
he Dreyer. He's not someone that I I think just
makes up nonsense. I think he's like wrong because his
brain is bad. But I I he provides some backup,
including interviews and conversations he had for this, and this
is consistent with other information coming out of the Beltwegh.
I think he's probably pretty close to the accurate number here, right,

(30:03):
thirty to forty percent seems believable. Gare, I think you're
more or less in the same area there.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
Garrison is thirty Toro Bay.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
Yes, that's yes, that's that's what I meant, James, thank
you for the most charitable reading of my sentence there. Now,
the thing that I thought was the other thing that
I thought was interesting from this article is because he's
he's trying to talk about why the media, which he
sees as an inherently left wing organization, even though we

(30:31):
just talked about all of the carrying water for Jeffrey
Epstein while attacking trans people, shit they.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
Did, it's it's it's it's a it's a right wing
slash liberal organization.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
I would would, yeah, you have to, you have to
get over some of his aspects of phrasing. But he's
talking about why. One of some of the reasons why
he thinks that the institutions in our society, like Zoomers
do not trust them. And this is where I think
he's on the money, because I think that the reason
why so many gen Z Republicans, like Republican staffers, ares

(31:01):
is what he gets at, which is that they're having
the same problem as the rest of gen Z. They're
just approaching it from a fascist standpoint. But they all
are starting from the same point, which is I'm fucked.
My generation is fucked. Yeah, there's no jobs, I'm not
going to own a house. The climate is screwed. Like
they're blaming the Jews for it, but they're they're starting
at the same place.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
It's school shooter politics, right, school shooter politics. Yes, some
people understand this and they decide to do a school shooting.
These guys decide to get jobs in Washington. Yes, but
it's the same psychea behind the mechanism.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
Exactly right. And I'm going to read a quote from
Drer's article and then we'll move past him to the
primary thing I wanted to talk about here, and this
is him talking about, you know, why these Zoomers don't
trust the system and want to destroy everything the institutions
of our society as they see it have lied and
light and light and still lie. They still lie in
many ways about race, refusing to be honest about black crime.
They lie about COVID, They lied about males and females,

(31:53):
and they force the insanity of gender ideology on us.
All the military light about a rock. The university is
in bra just the military, just the military rod. The
universities embraced in enforced ideologies of lies. The Catholic Church
lie about sexual abuse and the connection to the prevalence
of sexually active gay priests. Exactly is that the problem?
Honeycomming institution. They light about the benefits of mass migration

(32:15):
and diversity. They light about Trump and Russia. They sure didn't.
The political parties in their corporate allies light about what
global is being for ordinary people. The media have lied,
and they do lie about most things. This past weekend,
everybody was talking about the new report in Blaze Media
alleging that the mysterious January sixth pipe bomber was in
fact a former Capitol Police officer, the implications being that
the whole event was orchestrated by the deep state to

(32:36):
discredit Donald Trump. Maybe mainstream media are busy trying to
validate this reporting on their own. If The Blaze has
this wrong, they're going to be suited to oblivion, and
so will all the other media who amplify a false charge.
I can tell you that.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
No.

Speaker 3 (32:47):
All I can tell you is that nobody in the
MSM are talking about it as I write it, even
though it is an explosive story. People were in fact
talking about it. Yeah, And in fact, before we could
do this episode, The Bulwark, which has a both a
website with articles and is a podcast network, came up
with an article by Will Sommer, who used to write

(33:08):
for The Journalists. Yeah, good journalist. We took a billing
hat classicgether. I believe it was the post that he
wrote for at the time. He was like one of
the leading QAnon experts for years.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
Yeah, you're student Daddy beastssing for a while.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
Yeah, Daily Beast is I think where I knew him from.
And he wrote a really good article called the Blazes
pipe on Bombshell appears to bomb and basically Dreer says here,
well if the bit if the Blaze is wrong, we'll
be soon do oblivion. And the short answer is yeah,
I think yeah, because they absolutely named this lady and
the Capitol Police. To make a long story short, if

(33:42):
you don't want to read the whole Blaze article, you
can read the piece on the bulwark. You can read
the sections of it, or you can type the link
to the Blaze article into like archive dot org, so
you don't give him traffic if you want. It's not good.
It's the entire their entire claims that this particular woman,
and I am not going to name this woman because
I don't think she's the bomber.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
I don't think.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
People as being a terrorist if you're not sure they were.
I will say that she's a woman, and that she's
a Capitol Police officer, or at least now a former
Capitol Police officer who is kind of insinuated by the
Blaze and has been absolutely taken up by the right
wing media immediately since to be a Now she got
poached by the CIA right and that's taken as like

(34:25):
proof that she definitely did this. She's a security guard
at the CIA's office. She's not a CIA I'm sorry, guys.
She's a rent to cop for the CIA, which is,
let's be fair, probably the highest rung of rent to cop. Sure,
like you know, you're taking a step up as a

(34:46):
rent to cop, but she's not. She's not out there
over throwing democracies yet. I don't know. Maybe they fast
track you once you're CIA enough. But so the whole
claim that the Blaze is staking the reputation on because
if you're paying attention to like info wars, well not

(35:07):
reputation their financial solvency because info wars currently owes like
a billion and a half dollars for wrongly accusing people
of having faked mass shootings and the deaths of their
own children. So their argument that this lady has to
be it is based on they have some old footage
of her, like the jogging track, and there's a couple
of clips from the drug rep they showed. But they're

(35:27):
claiming that this gate analysis that they did between the
Capitol bomber and this woman is based on footage of
her that they are not publishing publicly. That's good so
that you can verify it. But that they say is
ninety four percent. And they talk to a Gaate analysis
expert and he did a personal Gate analysis and he
said it had be more like ninety eight percent. So
that means basically it definitely was her because gaate analysis

(35:49):
is for sure real and not one of the Every
kind of forensic science is a lie, lie.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
It's not even very good for flying shoes convicting. We
have fear review data to show that you shouldn't choose
your running shoes of gay analysis, let alone fucking.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
Yes, yes, there's many articles about how it may not
be the future of the shoe in stimula, shouldn't be
hinging your publications survival. I'm getting right that somebody was
a bomber bag.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
This is this is just the latest attempt by the
right to run this whole J six false flag conspiracy,
which is picking up a lot of steam. Like a
few months ago, the FBI released some information on how
many agents they had in the area during January sixth,
and this led many many conservative commentators to believe, Oh, look,

(36:45):
the FBI had just admitted that it was their agents
that actually started the riot and was most of the
like rowdy, rambunctious crew members and no, the specific wording
on the announcement or statement regarding the presence of agents
at J six was after after the insurrection had already
started and agents were sent there to keep it under control.

(37:06):
That's what it's referring to and cash Hotel released a
statement days later clarifying this, but of course that doesn't
pick up nearly as much traction as the original claims were.
So this whole gain analysis thing is continuing on this,
this whole conspiracy theory about how the FBI and the
CIA staged all of January sixth to crush Trump and

(37:27):
remove him from power, and probably warrants of a future
episode just on January sixth conspiracy theory instead of propagated
the past few months.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
Yeah, yeah, we probably, I mean honestly, yes, but okay,
to continue with this. So gain analysis was half of
what their case lay on. The other half of the
case was interviews with a couple of different people, primarily
an FBI whistleblower, a former FBI agent who made a
claim that like, yeah, we tied the woman this officers

(38:00):
neighbor to a vehicle that like picked up the bomber.
This is not based on publicly available information. This is
based on the statements made by former FBI agent Kyle Saraphim,
who is now a right wing media personality. Of course,
and we're just trusting that this guy who is former
FBI agent trying to rebrand himself as an influencer, is

(38:20):
telling us the truth about all of this stuff that
they're not presenting us with. This is this is kind
of dressed up as ocent, but they're not actually providing
you with the information.

Speaker 4 (38:31):
There's no actual open source intelligence.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
You can't work back from there because they're hiding a
lot of stuff. Right. There's a couple other things that
Somber notes and his article here to make their case
against the former Capitol police officer Baker is. The author
and co author Joseph H. Hannaman focused on a comparison
between the officers Gates, some of which was apparently captured
in years old footage of her playing soccer and footage
of the pipeop such from the night of January fifth.

(38:55):
Instead of using suspect footage released by the FBI, however,
the Blaze claims that use footage from another source the
article doesn't name. Critically, the Blaze didn't release an actual
video comparison or significant details with the Gate analysis. Instead,
it draws on the work of a man the Blaze
called a video sleuth, a little known X user named Armatas,
whose online profile image is a picture from the nineteen
ninety eight role playing video game Zeno Gears.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
Hell, yeah, Zeno Gears, great twigs Net video game.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
Yeah, You're not gonna get sued into oblivion for this shit.
The Blaze, I'm proud of you. Guys.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
Don't believe the people who published vance Bolt's probably last
interview would do this.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
Yeah, shocking, shocking stuff. Now, to be again totally fair here,
Dreyer does not treat this with any sort of critical
thought whatsoever. But actually a bunch of the people critiquing
this have been on the right, and I w I
partially agree with Drere's I think it's a mistake that
the mainstream media has not dedicated more effort to busting

(39:53):
this immediately and to pointing out the weaknesses and stuff
like Gate analysis immediately out the Gate. So it does
kind of sound like ignoring it. I think they're largely
I think largely this isn't getting covered because it's so
shady and bad and because it's dangerous to spread these
kinds of claims about a person.

Speaker 4 (40:09):
Sure, I mean, yeah, it's like it's like The Blaze.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
It's not even Fox News, right, there's already law enforcement
station outside this woman's house. Because of the number of
threats that you see, right, like, like again, there's she
has ample claims for damages here.

Speaker 5 (40:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
So a couple of the people who have come after,
one of them is after this article. One of them
is Julie Kelly, who's a right wing media figure and
is a major force in the January sixth conspiracy theory world.
And she is largely attacking the Blaze because she's doing
her own investigation into the who did the pipe bombing? Right,
So she's she's pointed out some very obvious problems. Why

(40:47):
don't you post that other video you have, right, why
don't you show the evidence of the gate analysis? Right?
So she she's been attacking this, as has Joe Hoff,
who's co founder of the Gateway Pundit. Hell yeah, oh god, yeah, yeah,
great stuff. So there's people on the right talking shit
about this stuff. It's worth noting that when this initially
came out, Glenn Beck spent days beforehand hyping it up

(41:11):
and talking about how like this is the biggest I
think that he literally called it like the biggest conspiracy
in American history maybe, which is like Jesus Christ dream smaller.

Speaker 4 (41:20):
Come on, dude.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
Yeah, But within like a day of the article actually
coming out, the Blaze added an editor's note is wrong,
which is pretty damning. An earlier version of this story
said it appeared the bombing suspect interacted with police after publication.
A congressional investigator with access to a camera angle that
has not been made public reached out and told Blaze
News a person similarly attired to the suspected bomber who

(41:44):
comes out of the alley and crosses the street towards
the two Capitol police vehicles is not the same person
as the hoodie clad pipe bom suspect walking down the
alley just minutes earlier.

Speaker 5 (41:52):
Amazing wouldn't there gata.

Speaker 4 (41:53):
Analysis have shown that amazing work?

Speaker 3 (41:57):
Wouldn't you have known that if gata analysis.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Was the was like, you can't rely on gain analysis
to identify individuals.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
Yeah, it's almost like this is all bullshit anyway. I
largely did this just because fuck you, Rod Dreer. I like,
we covered this stupid ass story. Will Sommer covered this
stupid ass story and we made fun of it. Thank you, Will,
Thank you the Bulwark. This is what I've got. I've done.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
That Dreer piece is also crazy and just in surreal,
surreal because of how much of it is like talking
about how we as in the right, needs to like
re recalibrate, how we discuss the reality of like complete
Jewish control over our media, and how it's fine actually
because a whole bunch of various like ethnicities excel in

(42:44):
various skills and that's not weird. So it's not weird
that Jews control all the media. We shouldn't be worried
about this. And how much of that piece skills like
it could have been written in like the nineteen twenties. Yes,
it's a crazy time, capsules, Yep. Anyway, that's my opinions
on the tree or substack piece anti semitism, for anti semitism,

(43:06):
it's a great time. I mean sure, I mean you
could have a I would have a slightly more complicated
analysis of the piece than just anti semitism, because True
approaches that issue really oddly.

Speaker 4 (43:17):
I don't think he's anti Semitic.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
Frankly, I don't think he thinks he's anti semitic.

Speaker 5 (43:22):
I don't think he thinks he is. Yeah, but it's
like I think that there's a difference between what he
believes about himself of what he's trying to do and
what he is doing.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
And yeah, sure, I mean I mean even even in
the way that the article is written, and like a
lot lot of it is. Yeah, I mean attacking a
certain type of anti Semitism on the right.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
Well, you guys know what Rod Dreyer would hate. Other
than an editor.

Speaker 4 (43:45):
I think he would actually love some acts.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
God, all right, we are back and we're going to
do some very brief immigration stuff and then we will

(44:09):
play the song you've all been waiting for and be
able to talk to you. The United States Conference of
Catholic Bishops based based basically thank you, gare issue a
statement this week. It's about the strongest condemnation you're going
to see from this entity of anything in a political realm. Right.

Speaker 4 (44:30):
HOPEFULLYO has not been solved on this issue.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
No, yeah, he is. And like we saw it, like
with Bishop farm in San Diego, right, like who himself
arrived as in what they call an unaccompanied minor, right,
a child refugee. I'm going to read from the statement quote,
we are disturbed when we see among our people a
climate of fear and anxiety around questions of profiling and
immigration enforcement. We are saddened by the state of contemporary

(44:54):
debate and the verification of migrants. We are concerned about
the conditions and detention centers and the lack of access
to pastor or care. We lament that some immigrant in
the United States barbitrarily lost their legal status. We are
troubled by threats against the sanctity of houses of worship
and a special nature of hospitals and schools. We are
grieved when we need parents who fear being detained when

(45:14):
taking their children to school, when we try to console
family members who have already been separated from their loved ones.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
This isn't a usual based based, based, based, based based.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
Garrison has got a got a crucifix. I guess they
haven't done this for like twelve years. Right last time
they did it about contraception. I'm not saying a Catholic
church is an organization that I agree with all the time.
It's not. It's one that I disagree with most of
the time. But I still think this is important, right, Like,
this is an organization which has millions of followers in

(45:48):
the United States, many many Catholics around the world, a
lot of Catholics. Yeah, this is an organization which therefore
we should pay attention to right. Uh, and I think
it is telling that, yeah, the work Pope has not
stop with this and that it seems like the fast
madiority of bishops in the United States are on his side.

Speaker 4 (46:07):
No, it's it is.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
It is pretty funny we have like a never Trumper,
nominally conservative, woke pope and the fact that he will
not black down on this issue and has has actually
has a number of statements on this the past the
past few weeks and not.

Speaker 4 (46:20):
Softly worded statements either.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
Catholic priests have also been reasonably good on this issue.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
Yeah, it's important, especially because of how much these like
weird like fascist friendly trads are using Catholicism as like
a fashion statement.

Speaker 4 (46:35):
And Jdvans included.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
Yeah, it's gonna say our vice president have.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
The actual church be like frity freaked out by that.

Speaker 4 (46:44):
I think is good.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
It'd be worse if they were leaning into it, which
certainly some cardinals like want when they were doing their selection.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
Well, if you look at the votes in this issue, right,
like two hundred and sixteen votes in favor of five
against the three ebstentions, so among bishops, which is think
from cardinals, Like this is this is almost universal, right,
and yet given that our vice president has made being
an adult convert to Catholicism a large part of his
personality embarrassing. Yeah, this is like, it is remarkable. It's

(47:15):
worth paying attention to. Also, I think when I talk
to migrants specifically, like when I was in the Darien
Gap talking to migrants, their faith is massively important to
so many of them, and a lot of people, especially
coming from south of Central America, will be Catholic, right,
and that is what propels them through, and so for
them to feel that the Church has not abandoned them,

(47:36):
it is important to them.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
The thing when I speak to people now who are here,
the thing that they want more than anything is a
priest to come to their hearing, to their meeting with them,
Like that is what makes them feel safe. And so
I am happy that the church is continuing to try
and make them.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
Feel safe, because what else are you going to do? Right?

Speaker 1 (47:57):
Yeah, well, we're trying everything else and it's not.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
Yeah, I defer to what will make the person being
victimized feel better and basically all instances, and if it's
half like a priest along, then I'm glad the priest
is there.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Yeah, and I am happy that this is something that
can make them feel safer.

Speaker 4 (48:14):
Because critical support to the Catholic church.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
Yeah yeah, very critical.

Speaker 5 (48:19):
Well, emphasis on the critical part, I think. I think
the other thing is worth noting that this same conference
also voted to have an official ban on any gender
affirming Catholic hospitals, which is like one in seven of
all people in the US get their care at Catholic
hospitals because there's a million of them, so critical, Yeah,

(48:40):
like lots of they're not Yeah, look there they are.

Speaker 4 (48:44):
No Protestants.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Okay, it does feel bad to have so much Catholic
praise on the show, but you know, I will swallow
my Protestant prize here.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
I'm neither a Catholic nor Protestant, but I'm glad this
is happening. You're British, yes, so you not raddled the two.
Do we do Catholicism without popes?

Speaker 2 (49:07):
I think we should have popes without See that's interesting, Robert,
that's an interesting idea.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
That's Discordianism.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Yeah, oh yeah, well yeah, that's kind of the least
interesting version. A real kind of non Catholic like clerical class. Anyway,
I'm gonna put this down in my.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
Sci fi novel folder.

Speaker 4 (49:26):
You know, stock is a forum of you.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
Know, Adam just just just gradually reduced the volume we're
going to get. We're back to immigration. We did learn
this week that the Department of Home ad Security secretly
and illegally kept domestic data on nine hundred Chicago Land
residents under Biden, just in case anyone was wondering what
they were doing before people started paying attention to them.

(49:52):
They also quote irrevocably destroyed video for me inside a
broad view, which is an ice tendin facility in Chicago Land.

Speaker 5 (50:00):
Yeah, of course did.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
I'm not shocked by that, I will say, like I
would have been shocked if that had happened under a
previous administration. Put it that way, like, it's not massively
out of character for them to be incompetent at soaring
and this kind of thing. And Ken Paxton has attempted
to sue Harris County, a place in Texas, for donating
not to nonprofits to provide a legal aid to migrants.

(50:25):
He has some justification to this, which is theater careers.
But I'm just going to name a few of the ngngos,
here Gals and Houston Immigrant Representation Project, Kids in Needed Defense,
Justice for All Immigrants, but Asis and Baker Ripley, Yeah,
this does I think show part of the strategy which

(50:47):
we saw and we have seen since twenty eighteen. Right,
Like you'll remember that lets of Angelo volunteers and twenty
eighteen were placed on a watch list, as were many
journalists for crossing to cover the migrant caravan. But this
I did that The n g os are quote aiding
and am betting is a phrase you always see, right
like that that that somehow people would come here if

(51:09):
it wasn't for NGOs. Often this takes on a specific
form of blaming one n g O, which is highest
or he Us Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
Right and well if you're one, guess as to why
they blame that one.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
Yeah, it's like repeat guest of the show Anti Semitism
coming back again, which resulted directly in the in the
Tree of Life shooting, right, Like this is that same
intellectual family of thought. I guess that is what I
will say as ludicrous. People come here because their lives
are not Liverpool where they're at. That's what I got.

(51:43):
Play the song.

Speaker 6 (51:51):
Jazz jazz.

Speaker 5 (52:01):
All right, so there is actually a surprising amount of
tariff news. All right, the tariff freebate checks. Are we
getting tariff freebate checks? I think probably not? So what
is this? Trump started talking about this on November eighth
on True Social per QSA. Today he truthed, I refuse

(52:24):
to call it truth. I am recommending to Senate Republicans
that the hundreds of billions of dollars is the hundreds
of billions are capitalized for reasons that are baffling, currently
being sent to money sucking insurance companies in order to
save the bad healthcare provided by Obamacare be directly sent
to the people so that they can purchase their own healthcare,
their own much better health care. And so originally this

(52:48):
was going to be like a two thousand dollars thing
to your health savings account from tariff proceeds or something.
And then the second time he stopped talking about the
health savings account stuff, and he was just saying a
two thousand dollars check the USA today. The piece notes
that the Secretary of the Treasury, Scott Bessett, said and
ABC News on November ninth, which was Sunday, that Trump's

(53:09):
proposed tariff dividend quote could come in a lot of forms,
adding it could just be the tax decreases that we
are seeing on the president's agenda. No tax on tips,
no tax in overtime, no taxes, social security, deductibility of
auto loans. He said, So those are substantial deductions that
are being financed to the tax bill. So he apparently
like hadn't heard any of this is what it seems like.

(53:33):
And then a few days later this was this was yesterday.
On Wednesday the twelfth, Caroline Levitt, who's the ghoulish press secretary,
said that Trump is quote committed to the payments, So
who knows.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
You can't call her goulish just because she's a twenty
seven year a woman who looks like that, and ya,
that's not cool.

Speaker 5 (53:52):
Hey, you know what, We're not gonna working, We're not
gonna do this. But she she she is ghoulish, not
because she looks like she's forty and she's like a ghoul,
but like no, but like she also acts like a
ghoul constantly, which is the actual thing that she is
ghoulish for.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Right, every press secretary I've ever seen has made me
so mad, like the job of a press secretary is infuriating.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
Yeah, remember thesak bonds.

Speaker 4 (54:20):
Well, also like they've never been good.

Speaker 5 (54:22):
They also did used to be more normal than this,
Like they didn't used to be this unhinted.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
Yeah, the Biden didn't bring him back. I feel like
like like the first Trump had been moved to a
mini a certain way.

Speaker 5 (54:34):
Too. It's just awful, terrible stuff. Didn't used to be
like this. One are the few things I'll ever say
that anyway. As you were saying, yeah, so so, she
said that Trump is committed to the payments. I again,
I don't think we're gonna see this probably not definitely,
don't plan on having an x two thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
I think he's I think he's committed to the payments
as much as he is his like first or second wife.

Speaker 5 (54:57):
Yeah, which is not much so. The second, the second
incredibly important piece of tariff news is the pasta tariffs.
The Department of Commerce seven percent pasta tariffs on imported
Italian pasta garrison.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
It's fine, the first tariff. It's still available. You can
still get your mac you know.

Speaker 5 (55:23):
As as as the Guardian points out, most pasta in
the US is made in the US, so it's not
really affected by.

Speaker 4 (55:29):
Those hold on, hold on, let me let me allow
me to finish the sentence.

Speaker 5 (55:33):
Garrison, I will address.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
Hu.

Speaker 5 (55:38):
So it's it's mostly just gluten. It's mostly gluten free pasta.
And also like imported fancy pasta, which is like nice
little pasta.

Speaker 4 (55:47):
Well fancy is a bit of Okay, it's like two
dollars more.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
Okay, attack some pretension, you know, and so.

Speaker 5 (55:54):
This but this sucks for people who like pasta, that's good.
And also for people who are loot to gluten or
who just are trying to reduce the amount of and
they're eating for diabetic reasons, et cetera, et cetera. That
all really sucks. In that same piece, Yeah, that same
Guardian piece, the unbelievably named Scott Ketchum, who is the
founder of like an artismal.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
Ketcham is a real last name. That's why the Pokemon game.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
Is ida Scott.

Speaker 4 (56:25):
I don't understand why Ketchum is funny? Why Ketchum funny?

Speaker 3 (56:28):
Did you not play the Pokemon to.

Speaker 5 (56:31):
No? Also, also it's so close to being ketchup and
I think about okay, think about Italian pasta.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
Whatever, Okay, you put ketchup on Italian pasta?

Speaker 4 (56:41):
Interesting, No, but you do you know who does do this?
Chinese hotels.

Speaker 5 (56:45):
In two thousand and nine, the thing I discovered when they,
for some reason fed us tried to feed us American
food instead of feeding us Chinese food, and dear god,
awful zero attest.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
My favorite thing in any foreign country is when they're like,
I know what you want. You came to Grease to
eat it, TGI Fridays, didn't you?

Speaker 2 (57:05):
Burger is all over Berlin. Burger's not America, and it
is now.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
I feel like he'd be disappointed to Garson if you
knew how many people in continental Europe or eating pasta
and catch up on a daily basis brown sugar.

Speaker 4 (57:21):
Yeah, Europeans are. Europeans are obviously sick.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
You've been to Belgium.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
Yeah that's wrong, I have Yeah.

Speaker 5 (57:28):
Okay, locking locking back in, locking back in on the past.
Anarchist cafe was closed two pm. Those lazy words. God,
look a look at the conditions that happened to with
every and I mentioned inflation. Out came the inflation joke.
Kerry Talmer's trying to finish it as what pasta God okay,
finishing this. Scott Ketchum agrees that the manufacturers will quote

(57:50):
take advantage of the news and slightly raise their prices.
That's just business, he said, So this actually probably will
increase pasta prices across the board because they'll uses as
justification for raising prices.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
Canonically, how old is Ashketcher. I'm trying to work out
of this is a sibling, since.

Speaker 5 (58:06):
It's like he's been like thirteen for no, but he's
been thirteen for these entirely, Like.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
So we can think siblings more than parents.

Speaker 4 (58:17):
Fstein's dream.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
Yeah, I'm okay. Ash Kitchen's brother put it in the law.

Speaker 5 (58:21):
Oh my god, okay, okay, two more things. Two more
things they got to get there, I threw out to god, okay,
one fifty year mortgage. Trump has become obsessed with the
idea of fifty year mortgage is just an idea, so
unhinged I have any Republicans talk about positively. The mortgage
industry is like, don't do this. This is a bad idea.

(58:43):
I'm not going to read the full paragraph I had
here from CNN, but you know, CNN did a very
basic calculation of instead of a thirty year fixed mortgage,
a fifty year fixed mortgage. So the basically their calculation
on like a four hundred and fifty thousand dollars house
was that you would save about three hundred dollars a monthechnically,
but over the course of the loan, instead of spending

(59:04):
about five hundred and fifty thousand dollars in interest, you
would spend a million dollars in interest.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
And that's pools. Yeah, rue, that's how we save money
by give me half a million dollars to the bank.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
Well, hey, you're not even talking about the fifteen neur
auto loans. Yeah. Everyone who buys a Kiya can trust
that it will keep working for fifteen years.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
He's going to say he's driving.

Speaker 5 (59:27):
How worn't lasting fifty years? They're made like cardboard, right,
Like they're just more than twice the value of the
house in interest.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
Yeah, make America affordable again? Yeah, okay, unbelievable.

Speaker 5 (59:41):
And then finally I want to close with what is
actually going on with the jobs and inflation numbers for October,
because I think people are getting a lot of very
bad information about this. I mean, and it's not their fault.
It's again because.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
The Democrat shutdown made it impossible to get any reliable data,
so now we can never have data ever again.

Speaker 5 (59:58):
Yeah, so okay, okay, so let's let's let's let let's
go into like what is it? What is actually going
on here? So on Wednesday, Caroline Levitt said that we
might not ever get October the October jobs and inflation data. Oops.

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
So however, Comma, I'm sure this number is would have
been five Comma.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
Let's fair it hallowed bump would have been huge Comma.

Speaker 5 (01:00:18):
On Thursday, National Economic Council Director Kevin Hassett, who by
the way, is the guy whose whole thing is that
he wants to he wants to impose taxes on holding
US bonds the worst, said maybe the only idea I've
ever seen fifty year mortgage. Astonishingly bad ideas. But he
said on Fox News this is today as day of recording,

(01:00:41):
said on Fox News that we're going to get some
of the data, but the data we're supposed to get
is very weird. Now, so this is the September data
we're supposed to get next week because that was already
recorded before the before they got mentioned, right, Yeah, and
there is legitimately even in a sort of not if
a normal Bureau of Labors toatistics was trying to get

(01:01:01):
these statistics out, it would be a little difficult for them. However,
come we're only getting the jobs added numbers and not
the job lost numbers.

Speaker 4 (01:01:10):
Oh wow, wow, good brides.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
What a great strategy.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
So yeah, I'm sure that I'm sure that number is fine.
I'm sure it's not negative seventy thousand jobs or something.

Speaker 5 (01:01:21):
Yeah. Right, And you know, and apparently that's because the survey,
the collected information never went out and I I mean,
it probably didn't because of the shutdown, but also like
you could, you could work this out. They're just not
doing yet. We talked a few months ago about Trump's
attempt to take over the Buera of Labor statistics, which
with his attempt to install the hideously incompetent Heritage Foundation

(01:01:43):
economists and I use that term very loosely here EJ
and TONI. And Trump was actually forced to like pull
back on installing this guy who's ahead of a buer
of labor satistics. So it's being run by the interim
head and has been for a long time now, but
it seems like a there's conflicting information going out and
be it does seem like Trump has been able to
get a decent amount of control over the beer of Libortistics,

(01:02:04):
which is supposed to be a nonpartisan body that just
releases the data because everyone in the entire coples economy
reclied relies on it. And it is possible that this
is that we have already gotten our last unbrigged like
peer labor statistics reports. I mean, I can't confirm that
they're straight up breaking it. And it's also possible that oh, well,
this wasn't the product of that, and we are going

(01:02:27):
to get some of the data like we are supposed
to get inflation numbers, but it's not good. Oops.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Well to end on some good news, I guess. On Monday,
this Supreme Court rejected a call to overturn or here
it's previous ruling on legalizing same sex marriage nation wide.

Speaker 4 (01:02:51):
So this is where this is where they're this is
where they're drawing the line right now?

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
Is this?

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
I think I think I did predict this a few
months ago, and then which people we got a little
bit mad at me for saying that I didn't think
they were going to pick this one up.

Speaker 4 (01:03:05):
Another w in the gear column.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
But I think it is fairly interesting that this is
this is the point in which they're like, nah, nah,
it's not worth it. Like this this is more settled
to them than even the abortion thing was. I think
I think some of the general like economic issues, shows
that there's not a real desire for pushing on this
right now based on you know, gestures broadly at other

(01:03:28):
economy stuff and some of the some of the some
of the anti woke fuel maybe maybe running out as
the as the economic situation becomes more and more dire dire,
right Like, how much longer can the Republicans just scream
about trans people as they're ruining the economy? Do you
think it's going to still work for them in twenty

(01:03:48):
twenty six? Maybe not. They might be scared that they've
put all of their eggs in this whole anti woke
culture basket and now that they're in charge in the
country's still getting worse. They're like, well, I wonder if
we can replay that card or not.

Speaker 5 (01:04:01):
As a final economy note, I want to note that
SoftBank sold all of their shares in in video Share.

Speaker 4 (01:04:09):
Don't worry about it. It's part of regular stalk rotation.
It's fine.

Speaker 5 (01:04:12):
These are the biggest rubes who have ever resisted, have
come rid of all of.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
Ships.

Speaker 5 (01:04:20):
These are these are the we work guys told.

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
The bag for we work, Yes, which I mean does
that mean that they're they're getting out too early of
ay I or does it mean that, uh, they're hesitant
their gun shy enough that they got out just in time.
We'll see you can say.

Speaker 5 (01:04:41):
We reported the news scarce. I'm stealing your line this week.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
Why we all stole that line from a terrible man.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
You haven't seen the Newsroom that's stolen valor. Ye, great show.
I would love a new season of the Newsroom where
he works for some like bullshit like internet news company.
He's he's like a substacker and he has like a
home studio.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
Oh top ten.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
Yeah God, I would love that he's super big in it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
But they don't ever make a direct point of it.

Speaker 6 (01:05:15):
It just becomes like subtly caught obvious that like, oh wow,
this this is a guy who's bought into some weird
conspiracy theories. Sure I was thinking because I mentioned it
came out the same year as True Detective. I would
like a new season of the news Room that's a
crossover with the first season of True Detective, or where
we get we get Woody Harrelson and we get that
British lady all all in the same room together.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
It'll be great.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
They would be a nasty combo. Imagine how which funked
up ship they could get up.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
To be awful? It would be awful. Hell yeah, well
we're not even on the air anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:05:48):
Oh no, we're still in the air.

Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
Well I stopped recording.

Speaker 4 (01:05:51):
We reported the news.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
Weeds.

Speaker 7 (01:06:02):
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