The Mainstreaming of Nick Fuentes by the Coward Tucker Carlson

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Cool Zone Media.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Two weeks ago, four days before Halloween, former Fox News
anchor Tucker Carlson hosted the twenty seven year old white
pharmacist influencer Nick Fuentes on Natucker's popular internet show. Two
weeks later. This interview has over six million views on YouTube,
over half a million on Rumble, and eighteen million alleged

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views on x the Everything app with over one hundred
thousand likes and twenty thousand retweets, plus the unknown number
of views from podcasting platforms like Apple or Spotify, on
which Tucker Carlson's show also airs. This is it could
happen here. I'm Garrison Davis. Throughout the almost entirely friendly

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two hour interview, Nick Fuentes and Tucker Carlson discussed next
libertarian origin story, his convert into Trump's bombastic style of populism,
getting a show on the right Side broadcast network as
a teenager after a viral college debate, how The Daily
Wire initially befriended then tried to quash his early political career,

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and how that pushed Nick to adopt a far right
adversarial stance against mainstream conservatism and the gatekeepers of the
conservative establishment. Which Nick identified as the quote unquote Zionist
Jews like Ben Shapiro, Dave Rubin, and Dennis Prager. Here's
Nick and Tucker.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
It was these the guys that were really controlling the
media apparatus that seemed to me to be the biggest
impediment Fox.

Speaker 4 (01:43):
Fox is not a Jewish business though, Well, Rupert.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
Murdoch is an ally of Nan Yahoo, so he's aligned. Yeah,
and he owns the whole news corp empire, so and yeah,
he's certainly a part of it. Also.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
I mean Dave Rubin though, does he matter?

Speaker 5 (02:00):
No?

Speaker 6 (02:01):
No, not really right, I mean, Dave Rubin is like,
I don't know if people watch Dave Rubin. Uh, they
did back then.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
I mean, because you got to consider they they were
kind of like the ascendant new media. You know, they
represented the next big thing. I mean, and Ben Shapiro
seems irrelevant to me now now, but back then, for
I guess that's that's true. So maybe you one.

Speaker 7 (02:26):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Certainly, Tucker tried to advise Twentes to focus more of
his ire on Israel's influence on American politics as a
foreign policy issue and not quote unquote blood guilt based
on ethnicity while Fuentes defended the necessity of his rhetoric

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against what he called the quote unquote unique issue of
quote unquote organized Jewelry that promotes a form of identity politics,
linking Israel to quote Jewishness as an ethnicity, identity, and
religion which makes most culturally Jewish people incompatible with America
first patriotism. This is basic dual loyalty anti Semitism, which

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Nick continued to outline by framing Jewish people as a
historically stateless people that resist assimilation and put to their
own interests above those of whichever non Jewish majority country
they currently resigne, attention which the existence of Israel now heightens.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
No other country has a strong identity like that, This
religious blood and soil conviction, this history of being in
the diaspora, stateless, wandering, persecuted, and in particular, the historic
animosity between the Jewish people and the Europeans. They hate
the Romans because the Romans destroyed the Temple. That's why

(03:51):
Eric Weinstein goes to the arch of Titus and gives
it the finger and takes a picture. We don't think
like that. As Americans and white people, we don't think
think about the Roman Empire in two thousand years ago.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
They do right, Americans and Christians would never think about
Check's notes the Roman Empire or the events of two
thousand years ago. Sure, Nick, Obviously to many people listening
to this show, Fuentes has been a known anti Semitic

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stream control for nearly ten years, and Tucker himself knows this.
The main pushback Tucker gave Nick was on why Nick
attacked other figures on the far right who were possible
allies of the America First movement and America First foreign policy,
like Marjorie Taylor Green, jd Vance, Joe Kent, and Tucker himself.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
Why attack them?

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Well, in short, they attacked me first. Yeah, but like
who cares Well, let's take Joe Camp. I mean, you
attacked me constantly.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Tucker also advocated framing that does not allow it he
believes to be popular America First ideas like opposition to
foreign influence and dual citizenship to get subverted by leaning
into accusations of hate and racial prejudice, which during the
interview Fuenttes nominally agreed with some of them.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
I'm sorry to be a conspiracy nut. I really try
not to be a conspiracy because it's embarrassing, you know.
But after January sixth, then just finding out the number
of FBI personnel in the crowd, it's like, and I've
just seen this. David Duke is a great example. Some
of these are the Charlottesville rally.

Speaker 8 (05:37):
M M.

Speaker 9 (05:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
I had a bunch of FEDS there being like, we're
white supremacist, we hate the blacks, you know, using the
edword whatever.

Speaker 5 (05:43):
You know.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
It's like, that's not real, Like there is some of
that going on, don't you think.

Speaker 6 (05:48):
I think that I think that there's a lot of
sincere people. Well for sure, I completely agree, you know,
and they're just non skulls.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
For some reason, Nick neglected to mention that he in
fact was at Charlottesville and the backlash to the Unite
the Right rally forced him to drop out of college
and propelled his streaming career. Throughout this whole interview, it
mostly felt like Tucker was trying to act as a
mentor figure to Fuentes, advising him to let go of

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past beefs and providing a sort of clean slate to
allow Nick to present his political views in a more
streamlined manner as simply Auntie Israel as an Extension of America. First.
During the interview, Tucker himself explained his motives for inviting
Fuentes on the show.

Speaker 4 (06:38):
Do you hope that people who want to learn what's
happening and who you are will watch the whole thing?
It's probably naive, hope that it won't be reduced to
whatever you're saying, something naughty and me laughing and see
they're both Nazis. I mean, you know that's going to happen,
of course, but I'm willing to take that risk because
I just think it's important to know you're clearly acendant.

(06:59):
You're enormously and more talent than I am, for sure
as a talker. So and they've you know, there have
been a lot of attempts to silence here and hasn't worked.
So my calculation always be as blun as I can be,
is like I don't want to have fun tests on.
It was be like you, but you're a Nazi, just
like Fuint does. Okay, But then I'm like, I don't
think fet test is going away. Ben Shapiro tried to

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like strangle him in the crib in college, and now
he's bigger than ever, so it probably would just be
worth hearing what Nick Flintes thinks. I just want to
be transparent about my motives here.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
And I think Tucker is right in calling Flenttees ascendant.
We'll talk more about that at the end of this episode.
For the last thirty minutes of this interview, the two
discussed pornography, alcohol and drugs as ruining America's young men
through reality distortion, and I had a whole segment on

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Nick fuent As explaining to a confused Tucker Carlson the
concept of internet pornography, which unfortunately I had to cut
for time. But if there's enough demand for this on
Blue Sky or Reddit, maybe I can make a bonus
episode next week. Rather than focusing on the substance of
this interview in Tucker's motivation, a lot of mainstream reporting

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has just highlighted a few controversial sound bites, like an
offhand semitroll comment about how Fuentes admires Stalin. But this
interview did send shockwaves through the American conservative ecosystem, of
which Fuentes was always held at a very long arm's

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length away. In the immediate wake of the interview, references
to Tucker were curiously removed from the Heritage Foundation's donor
page in partnership with the Tucker Carlson Network. On October thirtieth,
Heritage President Kevin Roberts released a video defending Tucker, captioned,
there has been speculation that Heritage is distant and seeing

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itself from Tucker Carlson over the past twenty four hours.
I want to put that to rest right now.

Speaker 9 (09:05):
Conservatives should feel no obligation to reflexively support any foreign government,
no matter how loud the pressure becomes from the globalist
class or from their mouthpieces in Washington. The Heritage Foundation
didn't become the intellectual backbone of the conservative movement by
canceling our own people or policing the consciences of Christians,

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and we won't start doing that now. We will always
defend our friends against the slander of bad actors who
serve someone else's agenda. That includes Tucker Carlson, who remains
and as I have said before, always will be a
close friend of the Heritage Foundation. The venomous coalition attacking
him or sowing division their attempt to cancel him will fail.

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Most importantly, the American people expect us to be focusing
on our political adversaries on the left, not attacking our
friends on the right. We disagree with and even a
poor things that Nick flint has says, but canceling him
is not the answer either. When we disagree with the
person's thoughts and opinions, we challenged those ideas and debate,

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and we have seen success in this approach as we
continued to dismantle the vile ideas of the left.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Roberts primarily framed this as an issue of cancelation and
included some pretty sketchy lines in that video. Roberts also
said that Heritage doesn't quote take direction from members or donors.
This video was polarizing, to say the least. Nick Fuintes
fans who are called groupers and America First nationalists rejoiced

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and claimed victory, while many GOP establishment figures, Jewish Republicans,
and many Heritage employees were left bamboozled. The New York
Post published internal Heritage group chats, with staff members writing
that this was quote the most embarrassed I've ever been
to be a Heritage employee. It's not close end quote.

(11:07):
I'm disgusted by this and don't understand how this premeditated
and orchestrated response could come out of one of the
biggest think tanks in the world unquote more texts reread
quote saying we can't cancel someone is safe space, wokeism
and quote. If we are labeled on the same side

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as Nick Fuentez, then we deserve to lose. Talking with
some of the interns, I think that there is a
growing number of them who actually agree with Fuentes's views
now beyond employee dissent. Sources close to Heritage told The
New York Posts that the think tank has been quote
unquote hemorrhaging evangelical, Christian and Jewish donors. David Bernstein, the

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author of Woke Anti Semitism and a former member of
the task force that Heritage called Project Ester National Strategy
to Combat Anti Semitism, told The New York Post on
November three that he had resigned from his position over
Kevin Robert's remarks citing the language of a venomous coalition
aligned against Tucker. To quote Jewish Insider quote, Rabbi Yakov Mencken,

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executive vice president of the Coalition for Jewish Values, told
Jewish Insider that Robert's message quote was the most tone
deaf in both its content and timing that I've ever
heard from major Washington organization on any political side. Menkin
resigned from Heritage's Protrogester, the group's anti Semitism initiative last
week in response to Robert's video message defending Karlsson, along

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with Mencken and Coalition of Jewish Voices, several other groups
have also publicly disaffiliated from Heritage's anti Semitism task force,
including the National Jewish Advocacy Center, the Zionist Organization of America,
and the Young Jewish Conservatives. On Halloween, Heritage president Kevin
Roberts made a post summarizing a small sampling of Fuentes's

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most racist, anti Semitic, and pro Hitler views and said quote,
our task is to confront and challenge those poisonous ideas
at every turn to prevent them from taking America to
a very dark place. Join us not to cancel, but
to guide, challenge, and strengthen the conversation. And be confident

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as I am, that our best ideas at the heart
of Western civilization will prevail for those, especially young men,
who are enticed by Fuentes and his acolytes online, there
is a better way. Roberts has repeatedly said that attempting
to cancel Fuentes would only grow his audience, as opposed

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to whatever Roberts is doing by playing foot seas with
Tucker and Fuentes, resulting in multiple news stories in day
name dropping Fuentes and massively raising his public profile.

Speaker 9 (13:57):
It would not invite him to a Heritage event or
to my show. But the point is we have to
find other avenues to engage the ridiculous ideas that he's saying,
rather than, as many people have called for online, that
you can just shun him, that you can just ignore
him and that the problem goes away. My motivation for
posting that video yesterday, especially looking ahead towards twenty twenty

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six and twenty twenty eight, is that we have to
engage those issues if we want to build a movement.
I understand that, particularly for our Jewish friends who ought
to be upset about Twintest's comments about anti Semitism, that
he's just anathema. I agree with that as well. But
if we're going to actually correct the scourge of anti Semitism,
we've got to go convince those unfortunately millions of young

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men who find that appealing. I do believe that they're convincible.
I believe that people like you, hopefully people like us
at Heritage, and even people like Tucker might be able
to play.

Speaker 5 (14:51):
A role in that.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
Following backlash to Kevin Roberts's initial statement, Robert's chief of staff,
Ryan Neuhause, resigned from Heritage after being reassigned as a
senior advisor in housing policy, a position sources told New
York Post was the quote unquote Siberia of Heritage. Before resigning,
new House reposted messages defending Robert's video, including a post

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advocating that quote unquote virtue signaling employees at the Heritage
Foundation should resign if they are so outraged by Roberts's statement.
During Halloween weekend, lawyer Mark Goldfetter resigned from the Heritage
affiliated National Task Force to Combat Anti Semitism, writing on
x the everything app I cannot serve under someone who

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thinks Nazis are worth debating. On November one, Princeton University
professor Robert P. George, member of the Heritage Board of Trustees,
who allegedly has been attempting to oust Roberts as the
head of the foundation. In the wake of this controversy,
posted on X the everything app quote. American conservatism today
faces a challenge. That challenge comes from those who reject

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our commitment to inherent and equal human dignity. They are
seeking acceptance in the conservative movement and its institutions, and
they do so with the ultimate objective of transforming them
by undermining that commitment. I cannot accept the idea that
we have no enemies to the right. The white supremacists,
anti semites, the eugenicists, bigots must not be welcome into

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our movement or treated as normal or acceptable. Quote you
sure about that, Robert P. George. This Conservative commitment to
inherent and equal human dignity, you sure about that? You
sure about that? Surely the American Conservatives aren't restricting people's

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health care and pushing them off food stamps, and kidnapping
and uprooting families and sending them to far off countries.
Seems like all those things would breach this commitment to
inherent and the equal human dignity. I never thought the
leopards would eat my faith, sobs Heritage Board of Trustees

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member who voted for the leopards eating people's faces party.
We'll be right back after these ads. The Conservative in
fighting intensified went On November three, Monday morning, Ben Shapiro

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released a forty minute video captioned, no to the Gropers,
No to cowards like a Tucker Carlson who normalized their trash,
No to those who championed them. Not a demoralization, not
a bigotry and anti meritocratic horseshit. No to anti Americanism.

Speaker 10 (17:43):
No, that fragmentation is being caused purposefully by a splinter
faction of people led by a young man named Nick Flantes.
They call themselves the Gropers. They are white supremacists. They
hate women, Jews, Hindus, many types of Christians, brown, people
of a wide variety of backgrounds, Black, America's foreign power,
and America's constitution. They admire Hitler and Stalin. And that

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splinter faction is now being facilitated and normalized within the
mainstream Republican Party. The main agent in that normalization is
Tucker Carlson, who is an intellectual coward, a dishonest interlocutor,
and a terrible friend. And Tucker Carlson last week was aided,
a betted, celebrated for normalizing Nazism within the Republican Party
by the mainstay organization of the traditional right, the Heritage Foundation.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
Shapiro then had to preface his comments by saying, quote,
this is not about free speech or cancelation end quote.
Criticisms of bad speech is in fact just a form
of free speech unquote, and went on this lengthy diet
tribe to explain how what he's doing isn't cancelation, which
Ben defined as banning people from the social media and

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publishing platforms. What would be more accurately described as the
platforming as opposed to like social cancelation, which is not
something that Bennis calling for. That is not calling for
a deep platforming.

Speaker 10 (19:02):
It is not cancelation to draw moral lines between viewpoints.
In fact, we used to call that one of the
key aspects of conservatism. It is not cancelation to refuse
to signal boost Hitler supporters like Neck Flintz. It is
not cancelation to criticize Tucker Carlson for rhetorically fluffing Nick
Flintes and other anti American crackpots. It's not cancelation if

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you urge others to stop promoting those who rhetorically fluff
Nazi apologists. Those are all elements of free speech. And
anyone who says differently is lying to you, and lying
for the most cynical reasons to misdirect from their own
defense of those Nazi apologists and their promoters. The issue
here isn't that Tucker Carlson had Nick Flintes on his
show last week. He has ever ready to do that.

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Of course, The issue here is that Tucker Carlson decided
to normalize and fluff Nick Flintes, and that the Heritage
Foundation then decided to robustly defend that performance. Those who
criticize both Tucker and Heritage aren't canceling, They are quite
properly drawing a moral line. Now, from Tucker Carlson's interview,
you might have gathered that Flentes has some borderline views

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on race, a peculiar obsession with what he calls organized jeury,
and a rather sad relationship with the female sex. But
probably you, Kim weigh thinking that for the most part,
Flintes lives on the radical edge of normality. You think
that if you watch the interview, because Tucker Carlson decided
that it was important not only to host Flenttes, but
to smooth over his views, water them down, and make

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them far more palatable to a normal audience.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Ben proceeded to do a ten minute Nick Fuentes clip show,
playing a slickt collection of some of the most defensive
things Nick has said to camera, and then blamed the
left for creating the conditions that let this hatred emerge,
framing Fuentes as the dialectical inverse of the hyperwoke, id

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pole Left.

Speaker 10 (20:49):
And there's no doubt that Nick flint has has a
lot of play these days. That's because the Left, by
moving into a politics of anti white, anti Christian, anti
male identitarianism, created its bizarro mirror image a way, the
white pseudo Christian in cell identitarian movement dedicated to destroying
the institutions of this country and replacing Americanism with something else.
Nick Flinty's philosophy is not fully formed. It's an incoherent

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stew of malignity.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
The Left did not create Nick Fuentes. He is the
direct product of the right wing content ecosystem that Shapiro
himself trail blazed. It's Ben Shapiro, but taken even further
with post ironic gen Z brainwrot. Even if Fuentes himself
has been banned from many of the big tent conservative events,

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his ideas still festered, spread under the radar, and influenced
the further radicalization of other right wing commentators so that
they could better compete with Fuentes. Tucker himself was a
part of this the twenty nineteen to quote unquote groper war,
in which Nick fuent Is deployed his fans to disrupt
Turning Point usa Q and A events with leading questions,

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pressured Charlie Kirk to adopt viewpoints further and further to
the right, specifically on race and immigration, and now the
White Great replacement is basically a mainstream conservative viewpoint, and
Fwent has played a huge part in that this is
in fact your problem.

Speaker 11 (22:18):
Ben.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
For the rest of this forty minute video, Shapiro directed
his attention to Tucker Carlson, criticizing his defense of Russia
and multi polar views, Tucker's pro dictator comments, populist criticism
of Trump, and sort of dodgy anti Israel statements. Shapiro
highlighted comments Tucker made during the Fuents interview where he

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lampooned high profile Republicans and neocons who have been quote
unquote seized by the pro Israel quote unquote brain virus,
with Tucker claiming that he dislikes Christian zionists quote more
than anybody unquote because it's Christian heresy. Shapiro described the

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function of Tucker's current online platform as a safe space
to bring on conspiracy theorists, fringe figures, alternative historians, and
those just outside the over to window to then quote
unquote gloss them. As Shapiro says, it's not about building
a radicalization pipeline out of the mainstream, but bringing the

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actual radical ideas to the mainstream.

Speaker 10 (23:27):
Tucker Carlson acts as an ideological launderer for other people's evils.
Tucker Carlson says many inflammatory things, always buying back just
enough of it to appear as though he's not saying
what he's clearly saying. He's a master of gas lighting.
Tucker Carlson, for example, would never say out loud what
Nick Flint has does. He wouldn't say the things many
of his guests say, and so instead he acts as

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an ideological launderer. He takes other people's hideous ideas, he
softens them, he treats them with love and care, and
then he provides them with a massive signal boost. He
isn't merely talking to people in good faith. Of course,
He's promoting certain people and ideas and attacking others. This
is how Tucker Carlson's ideological laundering works. You bring your dirty,
ugly ideologies to Tucker Carlson's rhetorical car wash. He mixes

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it with some of the fstigial respect Americans have for
him from his Fox News days, and voila hideous ideas
suddenly become mainstream. And then, of course Tucker denies he
said anything controversial at all. He was just asking questions,
he was just interviewing people. You don't want him to
cancel people, do you.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Ben continued to complain about Tucker platforming Candace Owentz and
her increasingly anti Semitic conspiracy theories, except remember it was
your company that gave Candace a huge platform after she
left Turning point end Prager, You is she also a
consequence of the woke left, like Fuentes is Shapiro. The

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call is coming from inside your own company. To further
demonstrate how much of this stuff is downstream from Shapiro.
It's actually because of Candace that Fuentes even went on
Tucker's show at all. Kendice had Fuentes on her show
a few months prior, and when she went on Tucker's show,

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she told him how great Fuentes is and argued in
his defense. As for Heritage, Ben acknowledged his long standing
positive relationship with the Heritage Foundation, working with him since
he was just seventeen years old, and recently had Kevin
Roberts on his show to promote Roberts's latest book.

Speaker 10 (25:27):
Which is why what Kevin Roberts did last week is
tragic and awful. He put out a statement that Heritage
Foundation didn't just stand by Tucker Carlson. Kevin instead said
openly and repeatedly that Tucker Carlson can do nothing ever
that will sever his relationship with the conservative movement. He
said that after an in defense of Tucker's glossing of

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Hitler defender Nick Flentes, and he added that only members
of the globalist class direct quote a venomous coalition direct
quote subject to the dictates of someone else's agenda direct quote,
oppose Heritage's ongoing relationship with Tucker Carlson, which means that,
according to Kevin Roberts, apparently anyone opposing the ongoing mainstreaming
of Tucker Carlson is acting on behalf of a foreign power.

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Kevin's statement is a betrayal of the Heritage Foundation's history
and principles, which is presumably by both Tucker Carlson and
Nick Foin says loved It.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Shapiro still expressed the need for an organization like Heritage
that focuses on ideas over personal loyalty to grifters, and
expressed hope that Heritage could recover from this controversy and
speak out against the quote unquote moral rot that threatens
our future. But if not, Conservatives may need to look
for leadership elsewhere. And the cause of this moral rot

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political horseshoe theory that is destroying both parties, with the
GOP being eaten by radicals.

Speaker 10 (26:52):
Like the Democratic Party, the Republican Party is being eaten
by its radicals. Many in the political class are too
cowardly to stand up. Apparently they're willing to play foot
with grouper' and hug Tucker Carlson out of fear of
somehow losing support. They've been bamboozled by the lies of
the ex algorithm and the TikTok metrics. The left followed
its radicals to electoral hell. Apparently many on the right

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wish to do the same. Forget the morality, then, for
just a moment, let's be pragmatic. Here is the thing.
Americans hate Nick flent As philosophy. They think it's trash. Republicans,
by the polling, think it's trash. Independence think it's trash.
Democrats think it's trash. And here's the other thing. Americans
hate Tucker Carlson's wandered anti Americanism. Republicans think it's trash,

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Independents think it's trash. Democrats think it's trash. Americans are
not pro segregation, pro rape, anti woman, pro child marriage,
anti black, anti Jew, anti Indian, anti Latino, anti constitution,
pro hitler nut jobs like Nick flent As.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
You might want to tell that to I don't know,
Stephen Miller, Ben and like maybe half your employees. Here's
Matt Walsh's own description for his most recent Daily Wire
podcast episode, quote, Somali tribal conflict has made its way
into multiple American states. A man is arrested for shouting

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f the Jews at Dave Portnoy. Meanwhile, and TIFO riots
with no consequence. White liberal radio host kisses Jasmine Crockett's feet, Ben,
the call is coming from inside the Daily wire House.

Speaker 10 (28:29):
If Republicans decide to cower before the likes of neo
Nazis and their propagandizers, they deserve to lose, and they
will lose. Neo Nazis and their propagandizers are not Republicans.
They're not America first, They're not Maga. They sure as
hell aren't conservative. These people aren't to my right, They're
not attached in any way to the fundamental principles of conservatism.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
I'm sorry, Ben, but they are. They are in the
Mega White House, they are on TV, on Fox News,
They're getting more views than you are on on TikTok
and fucking rumble. Many have either worked for you or
still work for you, and you've been completely fine with
all of that as long as they've been sufficiently pro Israel.

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Here's a Ben Shapiro tweet from September seventeenth, twenty fifteen,
and Culter tweets read Jews awful, nonsensical, and Culter is
also super pro Israel and has always been, so I
won't lose sleep. I never thought the leopards would eat
my face Sobs, conservative podcaster who voted for the Leopards

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Eating People's Faces party. The same day, Shapiro released this
forty minute video, Matt Walsh posted, quote Pat Buchanan didn't
just have a good ideas, he was right about almost everything.
He's the most vindicated political figure of our lifetime unquote.

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If you want a fun, little ten minute side quest,
google Hat Buchanan, Nazi, Hat Buchanan, anti Semitism. Every few months,
these right wing ghouls get a harsh reminder of the
world that they have conjured into being. Remember the h
one b Visa debacle earlier this year, with Elon Musk
and Ramaswami upset that all of their racist fans don't

(30:21):
want to bring in immigrant workers after Elon funded a
campaign about how immigrants are stealing Americans jobs. As writer
John Gans put it, quote the Geopi civil war is
between the Vanilla fascists and the National Socialists unquote. At
the Republican Jewish Coalition fortieth anniversary summit, Congressman Randy Fine

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proudly announced that he canceled an upcoming event with Heritage.

Speaker 7 (30:47):
I was supposed to do an event with Heritage next week.
Think On Wednesday. They don't know what I'm about to
tell you. Right now, We're canceling it. They will have
no future in my office, and I will be calling
on all of my colleagues on the Republican side to
do the same. If those who support Tucker Carlson want

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to see a venomous coalition, all they need to do
is go look in the mirror.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
During that same speech, he boasted about this, I've.

Speaker 7 (31:22):
Called for Zilron Mondami to be deported. The only thing
I want to see him running for is his gate
at JFK on the deportation flight to Uganda.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
First they came for the communists, Randy. I never thought
the leopards would eat my face. Sobs of Florida congressman
with Twitter pronouns listed as Hebrew slash hammer, who's a
member of the Leopards eating People's faces party. During the
opening to the Republican Jewish Coalition event, Ted Cruz addressed

(31:59):
this moment of fracture within the establishment right as a
quote unquote time of choosing and said that in the
past six months he's quote seen more antisemitism on the
right than I had in my entire life. This is
a poison, and I believe we are facing an existential
crisis in our party and our country unquote. Cruz later

(32:23):
shared a Free Press article on his comments. The CEO
of the Republican Jewish Coalition, Matt Brooks, told jewsh Insider
that he is quote appalled, offended, and disgusted that Kevin
Roberts and Heritage would stand with Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes,
that there would be a quote reassessment of our relationship
with Heritage in light of this unquote. On November third,

(32:45):
Missouri Senator and J six supporter Josh Hawley denounced Fuentes's
rhetoric as anti Semitic, telling Jewish Insider quote, that's not
who we are as Republicans, as conservatives. The question for
us as conservatives is are those views going to find
who we are? I think we need to say no.
As a conservative, but also as a Christian, there is

(33:06):
no place for anti Semitic, hatred, tropes, any of that stuff.
Do we really want to be a part of what
we've seen happen on college campuses? Unquote. Senator James Langford
of Oklahoma, the co chair of the Senate Anti Semitism
Task Force told a Jewish Insider that he was quote
A little surprised that Heritage jumped out in support of

(33:30):
Carlson and Nick Fuentes to say, hey, we want them
in our camp. After the statements that were made. Heritage
could have just sat back and not said anything, but
instead they chose to jump out on their side. I
don't get that unquote. Like Ben Shapiro and Josh Holly,
James Langford related this to a perceived by partisan crisis. Quote,

(33:54):
the left has seen an implosion of their party based
on anti Semitism rising in their party. I don't want
to see the same thing happen on the right. What
I've tried to be very clear on is that the
new right is now quoting an old wrong unquote. Senator
Rick Scott of Florida basically said the same thing, quote
the Democrat Party, we already have a party that's for

(34:16):
antisemitism and is against Israel. The Republican Party is going
to stand for Israel. We're going to stand against antisemitism.
I don't think there's any question unquote as if the
Democrat Party is against Israel. And it's astonishing to watch
all of these senators cope with the results of years

(34:36):
of watering down accusations of anti Semitism to simply reflect
any criticism of Israel, as they're now facing of massive
resurgence of genuine anti semitism from known anti Semitic actors
on the right. Turns out it's way easier to police
campus anti genocide protests than deal with the anti Semitism

(34:57):
spread on the massive platforms of Nick Foi Tz and
Tucker Carlson. But not all senators are worried. Lindsey Graham,
while speaking at the Republican Jewish Coalition, was less worried
about Tucker f when Tes and the future of the party.

Speaker 8 (35:14):
So I just want to say I feel good about
the Republican Party. I feel good about where we're going
as a nation. We're killing all the right people, and
we're cutting your taxes. Trump is my favorite president. We've
run out of bombs. We didn't run out of bombs
in World War Two. So to those who worry about

(35:38):
these stupid interviews and far off places, don't worry. The
Republican Party has figured it out when it comes to Israel.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
We're killing all the right people. Here at the leopards
eating people's faces party. Surely the leopards will never eat
my or my friends' faces. On the night of November three,
Heritage President Kevin Roberts give a speech at Hillsdale College
on anti Semitism and cancel culture. He first talked for

(36:11):
two minutes about why he and Heritage will continue to
oppose cancelation and the importance of loyalty toward friends, and
defended his previous statement by reiterating that if you have
a problem with someone's quote content, issues, or ideas, then
by all means go debate them unquote. But then he
admitted that his mistake, which was made quote unquote with

(36:34):
the best intentions, was focusing on the legitimate problem of
cancelation over other problems like anti Semitism. The Roberts then
immediately justified his rhetoric as an attempt to reach out
to the quote unquote several million young men on the
quote unquote far fringes of the right who are increasingly

(36:55):
anti Semitic.

Speaker 9 (36:57):
And our motivation at Heritage for making that statement was
to begin appealing even more than we have to those
largely disaffected young men who are looking for belonging and
identity by following the wrong people.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
This pseudo apology continues to frame this primarily as an
issue of cancelation. Who is asking to cancel Tucker? Roberts
acts as if there is nothing in between a lifelong
endorsement and total cancelation. After Robert's comments at Hillsdale College,
another member of the Heritage Anti Semitism Task Force, attorney

(37:35):
Ian Spear, announced that he was leaving Heritage and posted
a statement calling Robert's Hillsdale College speech a quote strategic
non apology that doubles down on loyalty to Tucker Carlson,
muses about welcoming gropers and the groper curious into the movement,
and continues to gaslight everyone about cancelation when that clearly

(37:56):
isn't the issue.

Speaker 10 (37:57):
Quote.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
That same day, Tuesday of vas fourth, Chris Demuth, a
Heritage Distinguished Fellow, also confirmed his resignation, and an email
leaped from the co chairs of the Heritage affiliated National
Task Force to Combat Antisemitism sent to task Force members
with a list of demands the Heritage President Kevin Roberts demands,

(38:18):
including that he delete his initial video, apologize to Jews
and Christians who quote believe that Israel has a special
role to play both biblically and politically unquote a demand
to condemn but not cancel Tucker Carlson's anti Semitic content
and statements and host Shabbat dinners for the Heritage Interns

(38:39):
and junior staff. To quote directly from this leaked email
addressing Roberts quote, you pointed out repeatedly that we face
a challenge in reaching disenfranchised young men who are caught
in the spells of Nick Fuentes and others. To address
this issue specifically, we recommend hiring a visiting fellow, one
who shares may the extreme conservative views on Israel, Jews,

(39:03):
and Christian Zionists, who would help identify strategies and tools
to win gen z and beyond. It is clear that
there is an internal battle within the conservative movement over
who is to be included. The division between no enemy
to the right versus a moral conservatism demands our attention

(39:24):
a conference that provides some guidelines to the movement on
how to best keep unity without needing to include the
worst among us. Two days later, the National Task Force
decided to break ties with the Heritage Foundation, writing in
an email that it was quote important for us to
continue the work of the task Force outside the Heritage

(39:46):
Foundation for a season, writing that this whole incident quote
exposed a serious problem within the conservative movement. It's been
like this for a long time. They've just been so
focused on campus activists protesting the Palestinian genocide that they've

(40:06):
missed the festering anti Semitism spreading across the right. Quote.
The National Task Force to Combat Anti Semitism will also
now expand our work to fight the rising scourge of
anti Semitism on the right, beyond our previous work combating
the pro Hamas movement on the left unquote. On November eighteenth,

(40:28):
the Task Force will be hosting a conference in Washington
on quote exposing and countering extremism and antisemitism on the right,
in partnership with the Conference of Christian Presidents for Israel.
It could happen here will return After these messages. At

(40:55):
this point, Heritage went into complete damage. Roberts apologized during
a Heritage All hands meeting last Wednesday, November fifth, quote
I made a mistake, and I let you down, and
I let down this institution period full stop. Roberts claimed
that it was the since resigned Chief of Staff Ryan Neuhause,

(41:18):
who wrote the script for Robert's initial video entirely himself
and lied about the script being approved by a handful
of colleagues. Roberts called the use of the phrase a
venomous coalition a quote unquote terrible choice of words. The
Washington Free Beacon reported that Roberts said he was willing

(41:38):
to resign, but felt a quote unquote moral obligation to
repair the situation, and had told the Heritage Foundation board
of directors quote I made the mess, let me clean
it up.

Speaker 11 (41:50):
During the all.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Hands meeting, Roberts explained that the video came to be
because Heritage was under pressure to make a statement that
Carlson was quote no law longer part of the conservative movement.

Speaker 9 (42:02):
Quote.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
Later in this meeting, Roberts acknowledged that there could be
a quote limiting principle to no cancelation. Longtime Heritage research
fellow Robert Rector went on a tirade against Tucker and Fuentes,
likening Tucker's show to stepping into a lunatic asylum, and
advocated for a return of right wing cancelation.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
Because if you don't have boundaries on who you regard
inside the movement, the movement will destroy itself and it
will create a pr nightmare for everybody in it. And
the boundaries that he set forth William Buckley in the
early nineteen sixties were twofold. You have to expunge all
anti Semitism.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
All of it.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
But that's just part of it from the conservative movement.
The other is you have to expel the lunatics. Okay,
the lunatics who think that Eisenhower was a communist, Okay,
and a whole bunch of and we have them back now. Okay,
they are both here back just the way they were

(43:06):
in nineteen fifty nine, and we have to go back
and set the general parameters. You say, oh, we don't cancel,
We do cancel. Did we cancel David Duke? Yes, you
don't even know who David Duke was. Probably most of you,
i'd say, you know, yes, Do we cancel the John
Birch Society, Yes, okay, because they were harmful, Because if

(43:30):
you're they're in your movement, you look like clowns.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
This highlights so much of my frustration around this whole
controversy with all of these conservatives at the Leopards eating
people's faces party trying to say that obviously the leopards
who are eating people's faces aren't actually Conservatives. Despite the
legal part of the leopards eating people's faces party, Bircherism
has achieved a near total capture of the modern day

(43:55):
Republican Party, especially under Trump. You can't remove the John
Birch Society element from the modern day Republican Party without
the whole party collapsing. They won. That's what the party
is now. That's what Heritage's project twenty twenty five is.
Kevin Roberts responded to Rector's tirade by continuing to advocate

(44:17):
that Heritage should attempt to bring some of Wwentes's audience
into the conservative fold.

Speaker 9 (44:23):
There's a segment of that audience who might be with us,
and they really are not Nazis and anti Semites, then
maybe we can eventually bring them into the fold. I
think we have to think that way.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
None of these people can be allowed to distance themselves
from the leopards eating people's faces party. To quote a
write up from the right wing rag National Review quote,
the Heritage staff meeting exposed something of a generational divide
within Heritage, as one staffer who claimed to represent the
perspective of the foundation's younger employees, said that she did

(44:57):
not have a problem with roberts initial defense of Carlson,
and wanted to make sure that the viewpoints of her generation,
who she said were generally more critical of Israel, would
still be welcome at Heritage. Unquote. The Heritage Tucker Fuentes
debacle has come in a time where the right was
already in the middle of debate over how to handle
infighting conservative anti cancel culture and the newly adopted principle

(45:21):
of no enemies to the right after years of suffering
from liberal led deplatforming campaigns during the quote unquote woke era.
This debate really came to a head last month after
the Young Republican pro Hitler racist group chat scandal dropped,
which was subsequently brushed off by people like Matt Walsh

(45:42):
and Vice president jd Vance, who dismissed the texts, telling
people who are concerned about it to quote unquote grow up,
while referring to the chat as a college group chat,
calling the members kids and young boys, when the group
chat in question was made up of men in their thirties.

Speaker 11 (46:01):
Don't put things on the internet like be careful with
what you post if you put something in a group chat,
assume that some scumbag is going to leak it in
an effort to try to cause you harm or cause
your family harm. But the reality is that kids do
stupid things, especially young boys. They tell edgy, offensive jokes
like that's what kids do. And I really don't want

(46:22):
us to grow up in a country where a kid
telling a stupid joke, telling a very offensive, stupid joke
is caused to ruin their lives. And at some point
we're all going to have to say enough of this. Bs.
We're not going to allow the worst moment and a
twenty one year old's group chat to ruin a kid's
life for the rest of time. That's just not okay.

(46:43):
Like we live in a digital world. This stuff is
now etchtin Stone online. We're all going to have to say,
you know what, no, no, no, we're not doing this. We're
not canceling kids because they do something stupid in a
group chat. And if I have to be the person
who carries that message forward, I'm fine with it.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
To quote Matt Walsh quote I said a few weeks
ago that we all need to band together in the
wake of Charlie's death, and the answer I got back
from a lot of people on the right was basically no, Well, okay,
then guys, we'll just lose. Instead, the left will keep
the United Front and defend their guys no matter what,
while we keep throwing each other to the wolves at
every opportunity, great plan. The left actually wants me dead,

(47:24):
like specifically and personally. They're the reason why I need
security at my house, why I worry for my children's safety.
We've had to make major changes to the way we
live our daily lives to account for this danger. So
when I say that I want to stop the infighting
and unite against this threat, that's the context. I'm sorry
if the squabbles among right wingers just kind of pale

(47:46):
in comparison for me. If you have the luxury to
care more about that, I envy you. I truly do.
Last week, Megan Kelly interviewed Tucker and Shapiro across a
two day event, where she asked both about the possibility
of uniting the right.

Speaker 4 (48:03):
Is there any way that you and Ben Shapiro can
actually find your way to deton I'm not against Ben Shapiro.
He did like a forty minute thing yesterday calling me
dangerous and all this stuff. It's like, I didn't watch
it because why, but I got a lot of texts
about it, and it's like, I'm not I don't think
Ben Shapiro is driving a lot of this stuff. I

(48:25):
don't consider him like the world's greatest force for evil.
I don't feel that way at all. I don't actually
think about him ever. So I don't want to have
a war with Ben and Shapiro. I don't know if
does he really think that me doing an interview in
which I explained that anti Semitism is wrong to one
of the lead purveyors of anti Semitism, but that somehow
makes me a Nazi? Like, what is the argument here?

Speaker 3 (48:45):
I'm gonna ask him tomorrow night. No, but I don't even.

Speaker 4 (48:48):
Understand what the argument is. All I know is that
the right, and I've been on the right since before
Ben was born, is acting like the left in such
an amazingly precise way that I'm like, what the hell
is going on?

Speaker 10 (49:02):
I agree with Tucker that the right is in fact
acting life the left by again massaging its radicals in
the name of some sort of faux unity. Does that
sound dean, because again, I'm not again trying to turn
this personal is a mistake.

Speaker 5 (49:18):
I know, but can it happen?

Speaker 2 (49:19):
During the fallout of the Tucker Fuentes interview, far right
influencer Mike Cernovich said quote, there's a lot of bad
faith going on. So this is for those few of
you perplexed about the reluctance of mega people to ever
disavow anyone. We are old and we know it never stops.
They will always demand more. Hence we draw a hard line.

(49:42):
It's not our job to be Internet cops. After trailblazing
this rhetoric for the new Right, now Walsh and Vance
find themselves in an uncomfortable position, Walsh due to his
employer Ben Shapiro, and Vance because of his future political prospects.
In the midst of the fuen Tes controversy, Walsh posted quote,

(50:05):
we have a very short window of time where we
control Congress and the White House and we have the
power to push our agenda forward. We're going to waste
this window fighting with each other. We're going to squander everything.
I'm furious, Honestly.

Speaker 6 (50:22):
I have just about had it with Matt Walsh. Matt,
you work for this fucking guy whose side are you
on already?

Speaker 3 (50:30):
Cut the shit?

Speaker 6 (50:31):
Matt Walsh every day on a show, he goes on
Twitter in his show and says, this is all just
gossip and drama.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
It ain't gossip and drama. This is the war.

Speaker 4 (50:41):
Might not be the.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
One you wanted, but this is the one that's going on.

Speaker 6 (50:45):
So Walsh wants to refuse himself from this and say, hey, man,
I just care about America. Hey fucker, it's happening in
America right now. Tucker's an American. Last I checked, this
is going on here. We didn't make anti Semitism wedge issue.
They did. We didn't make fighting Israel's wars a wedge issue.

(51:05):
They did. And Walsh wants to get on Twitter and say,
I just don't want to talk about it. I just
want to keep taking a paycheck from the worst of
the worst. Shapiro, you gotta pick a side, and nobody
can let him get away with this. As long as
you're America first, you need to be in his reply
saying no, Matt, you work for Ben Shapiro.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
Cock Vance's only statement about this debacle reads quote, the
infighting is stupid. I care about my fellow citizens, particularly
young Americans, being able to afford a decent life. I
care about immigration and our sovereignty, and I care about
establishing peace overseas so our resources can be focused at home.

(51:50):
If you care about these things too, let's work together.
Compare that to Mike Pence sharing an article critical of
Fuentez by the Wall Street Journal editorial Board titled the
Rights New Anti Semites. Meanwhile, Nick Fuintes is bragging that
he has Vance caught in his groper squeeze, threatening to

(52:12):
send grapers to twenty twenty eight primary states to disrupt
Vince's campaign, much like the groper war of twenty nineteen
targeting TPUSA.

Speaker 6 (52:22):
He's getting squeezed because the groupers are on the one
hand saying, hey, listen, fat boy, we want America first.
You want to run for president. We want to hear
you say America first. And on the other side, he's
got his donors and they're saying they're horrible anti Semites.

Speaker 5 (52:43):
You have to disavow them. You have to forcefully condemn them.
Condemned talker, condemn the gropers. Now with Vance, condemns the groupers.
We are deploying to Iowa. Raise your right hand, and.

Speaker 6 (53:00):
I swear I'm gonna move to Iowa and New Hampshire
and Nevada and South Carolina and one primary after the next,
and we will go to every town hall. We will
go to every meet and greet where there's four or
five people, and we will be there, and we'll do
it for free.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
Nick has since laid out a more clear three year
strategy for his fans to shape the upcoming presidential primary
and infiltrate the next Republican White House. In some ways,
I think Ted Cruz is right. This has been a
time of choosing the only problem is that the choice
has already been made. The Fuentes interview is already Tucker

(53:44):
Carlson's fourth most popular video ever. Just two weeks after
its release. Fuentes's quote tweet of Shapiro's takedown video ratioed
Shapiro by one hundred and twenty thousand likes. Fuentes's last
ten live streams have had an average viewership of over

(54:07):
eight hundred thousand people on Rumble, beating Shapiro's average YouTube
of you count by hundreds of thousands. The New York
Times has put out seven pieces on Fuentes, both articles
and opinion since the Tucker interview, plus other related news
stories about Heritage and Tucker, which obviously mentioned Fuentes. Other

(54:30):
outlets from The Wall Street Journal to The Washington Post
have followed suit. CNN did a five minute and thirty
second segment on the followed of the Heritage Tucker fwents
situation and what it means for the future of the
Republican Party. Cn has since done more segments on the issue,
including one with Ben Shapiro. Multiple Fuentes segments have also

(54:51):
aired on MSNBC.

Speaker 12 (54:54):
Here's a sampling for once Donald Trump has remained silent
on an issue, as well as Jade Vance, who is
reportedly personally close to Carlson. It also has opened up
an uncomfortable discussion for the GOP about what place people
like Nick Fwent does have within the MAGA movement.

Speaker 13 (55:09):
And now to the brewing war within MAGA over the
future of the American Conservative movement. It comes as far
right influencer Nick Fuentes recently recorded a cordial interview at
the invitation of Tucker Carlson that more than five million
people have viewed the latest op ed in the Los
Angeles Times by our next guest, is highlighting this growing
division contributing writer Matt Lewis contends that some Trump loyalists

(55:31):
are now objecting to maga's quote white power element. Matt
joins us Now he's an author, columnist and conservative writer. Matt,
the fact that we're even talking about a quote unquote
white power element is I think concerning on its face.
But this is also something that's persisted within MAGA over
the course of the last ten years. I mean, I
remember covering when Trump himself had dinner with Nick Fuentes

(55:53):
at the invitation of Kanye West just a few years ago,
November twenty twenty two at mar A Lago. Why was
this not a conversation then? And what's changed now?

Speaker 14 (56:03):
Look, yeah, I think you're totally right. I mean, part
of it is that Donald Trump has actually been a
really good friend to Israel.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
I never thought the leopards would eat my face, sabs
conservative columnists who voted for the leopards eating people's faces.
Party Even calling Fuentes a quote unquote white power figure
shows how outdated and out of touch the talking heads
and many journalists are. It's not the eighties anymore. White
power What are you talking about? That's not what Fuentes

(56:32):
is doing if you can't recognize that you shouldn't be
talking about it. These talking heads are completely ill equipped
to understand gen Z politics or the black thereof. We
saw this in the reporting on Tyler Robinson in the
past few mass killing fandom school shooters. Here's MSNBC again.

Speaker 14 (56:51):
According to some sources at the Heritage Foundation, a lot
of their interns something like forty to fifty percent or
something agree with Foia, which is really stunning if you
were around the conservative movement, let's say, in the George W.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
Bush era, the fucking George W. Bush era, unbelievable. Nick
Fuentes's politically vulgar obscenity is exactly what pushes his clips
into people's social media feeds, cutting through the dry neo
conservative boomer slop of older Republican content creators. As Trump

(57:27):
two point zero continues and MAGA becomes the establishment again,
it's not going to be cool to listen to Benny Johnson,
whoever's hosting the New Charlie Kirk Show, or Ben Shapiro,
to the extent to which listening to any of those
is even still cool or counter cultural. Fuentes doesn't have
this same problem. He can ride the cultural vibe shift

(57:52):
of the twenty twenty four election, and still appeal to
the reactionary tendencies of some young men, but is outside
enough to continue new benefiting from the gen Z thirst
for anti establishment populism. At the end of last month,
there was a short article in The Atlantic titled the
firewall against Nick Fuentes is crumbling. The white supremacist influencer

(58:16):
is entering the MAGA mainstream And yeah, that's correct. The
tact agreement against talking about covering or platforming Nick has
slowly fallen apart the past few months. Google trends graphs
of search popularity has Nick Fuentes high above Tucker Carlson,
Ben Shapiro, or Canvas Owens, and considering Nick's newfound fame,

(58:38):
he isn't trying to slow down or moderate his views
to appeal to a bigger audience, and he doesn't need to.
The audience is coming to him to explain why his
audience is growing so much. It's not that he's gotten
less ideologically dogmatic as of recent it's that the zoomer
world has caught up to the anti ideal behind Nick Fuentes.

(59:02):
The void of animosity that animates Fuentes, which is underneath
his gesturing to relics of tradition and culture to offer
a north star through the grievance inspired nihilism he actually embodies.
Nick Fuentes is a meme, his clips spread like a meme.
His groper movement is named after a meme, and Nick

(59:25):
is ready willing and able to seize the spotlight he
has been gifted to Nick. This controversy demonstrates that the
prestigious Heritage Foundation is territory ripe for groper infiltration.

Speaker 6 (59:39):
What this signifies is that Heritage, the accreditation institution, the
brain the priestly classed. It promulgates the Republican dogma. If
that institution says that groperism is up for debate, it's
on the table.

Speaker 3 (59:59):
It's not ca anseled. We should talk about the ideas,
and we should.

Speaker 6 (01:00:04):
Defend the people that defend the groupers or talked to
the groupers. It signifies that one that place is a
safe harbor. As I said before, so a grouper could
go to work at Heritage and maybe feel welcome and
comfortable and he won't be fired. And you might have
a grouper at Heritage who is going to be writing

(01:00:25):
a policy paper about who knows foreign policy, education, immigration,
They might be considered like an expert, and maybe they'll
go on to be a legislative director for a senator,
and they might be writing laws for the US government.

(01:00:46):
It's conceivable if the President of Heritage says Tucker is
in the Big ten, then that means that Tucker and
Nick fwent to sympathizers are allowed to be employed at Heritage,
and thus they might be in the position to determine
the dogma.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
They can write the doctrine.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Conservative writer Rob Dreer has claimed, based on DC contacts
and talking with gen Z staffers, quote, between thirty to
forty percent of the Zoomers who work in official Republican
Washington are fans of Nick Fuentes unquote, writing that this
is emblematic of a generation quote willing to revel in transgression,

(01:01:29):
such as they tear down the pillars of civilization just
for the fun of seeing those who have been gate
kept away breaching containment. The Groper thing is real. It
is not a fringe movement in that it really has
infiltrated young conservative Washington networks to a significant degree unquote.

(01:01:51):
After the young Republican racist group chat story dropped. Nick
Fuentes said on his show, quote groper's are all over
the government, and everyone knows that there's gropers at Harvard.
There's grapers in all the Ivy League schools. I talked
to all of them. There's grapers in government. There's grapers

(01:02:14):
in every department, every agency unquote. There's no reason to
believe Nick is exaggerating. This is something he has advocated
his followers do for years, and stories like the Young
Republican pro Hitler group chat are evidence of this. Nick
Fuentes is mainstream now. Nick Fuentes is a legitimate part

(01:02:38):
of the mainstream conservative movement. Even if he doesn't become
the quote unquote successor to his longtime nemesis Charlie Kirk,
Fuentes is already on course to be the main figure
to have gained the most from Kirk's death and emerged advantageous.

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