January 16, 2026 • 33 mins
This type of home coffeemaker is simple, stylish, and steam powered. Anney and Lauren dip into the science and history of the moka pot.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Hello, and welcome to Savor Prediction of iHeartRadio. I'm An
Eery and.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I'm Learn Vogelbaum, and today we have an episode for
you about the mocha pot.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Yes, was there any particular reason this was on your
mind for it?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Ah, don't. I don't think there was. I think I
was kind of maybe I just wanted another cup of
coffee while I was doing my ideation process, and then
I was like, ooh, mocha pots. I could be simple
as that could be, since not sure could have been anything.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
I only have one experience with the mocha pot.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
It is a shared experience.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Yes it is. And I think I've told it before
on the show, but I shall tell it again.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yes, many years ago, Lauren and I we went to
south By, Southwest and we were sharing a house with
several of our.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Coworkers, a house in which to sleep, not a house
in which entertainment was occurring, as event, which is.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
A thing that does happen. Yeah, my Southwest.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, we were sharing like an airbnb.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yeah, yes, exactly. And Jerry of stuff you should know
and many other things.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Super producer Jerry, wonderful human person.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Had him kapot. I had no idea what it was,
never had encountered one in my life, and I'm not
entirely sure how this chain of events played out.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
She was kindly allowing us to use it to make
coffee in the morning. It was like one of the
slightly larger ones, so you know, like you could make
a good couple cups of coffee at once in it.
And Caroline Irvin, one of the former hosts of Stuff
Mom Never Told You, was also there. She was and.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
She and I were trying to use this moke pot,
and through unforeseen events circumstances, broke the handle clean off
and looked at each other panicked, didn't know what to do.
(02:26):
Jerry is our boss, was our boss. Caroline ran out
of the room, ran away, Yeah, and I quickly ran
as well, if that tells you anything about my personality.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Just scattered as though we were all in a French farce, just.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Literally ran away. Caroline was trying to find glue. She
was trying to find a solution. I was absolutely panicking.
I wasn't trying to do anything other than remove myself
from the situation and blame that could occur upon me.
(03:07):
And then Jerry was so cool about it.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Oh yeah, of course, of course she was. She's Jerry,
She's so great. She was like, oh yeah, it's no
big deal. We were like, wasn't it your great aunts
or something. She was like, yeah, that's okay, let's pop
it back on there. That's cool.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
It was a very uh a fun traumatic. It was
a roller coaster. It was a roller coaster, is what
it was. And that is my experience with the moke
pot I But this is also the trip where Lauren
and I, especially you Lauren, got the idea for Savors.
So this was a it was a momentous trip, not
just because.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Of yeah yeah, I mean you know, like like the
the idea seed was because you brought us to so
many amazing places around Austin to eat food. So so
here we are, here, we are continuing the journey. I
didn't know what a moga pot was then now.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I have learned.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah, I have never personally owned amoga pot. I did
know a little bit more about them than apparently y'all
did at the time, But now I'm like, I should
probably own a mocha pot. Why don't I? I did.
I did drink a lot of coffee while I was
writing this outline because I was just if I'm thinking
(04:23):
about coffee, I can't not drink it. Yeah, So if
I sound a little bit faster than normal, it's only
because I'm slightly starting to like vibrate through space and time,
but only slightly, only slightly in a fun way, you know.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yeah, there we go. You can see our past episodes
on coffee and espresso for more on that.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Absolutely both are both are very instrumental in everything that's
going to go on here. But but yeah, so definitely
check those out if you are curious about yeah, all
of that.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yes, yeah, this was This is definitely an episode that
has very big I hesitate to even see, say, rabbit holes,
but it's just got a lot that came together for
it to come together. So well, I guess that does
bring us through our question.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I guess it does. Yeah. Sure, if y'all have never
heard of this device, then you're probably going like, what where, whom?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Well, all excellent questions. Indeed, the mocha pot, what is it?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Well, a moga pot is a type of home coffee
maker for making like espresso, adjacent coffee. It's it's not
electronic or it's not usually electronic. It is a small
kettle usually made of metal, often aluminium, that you operate
by heating it on a stovetop traditionally over a gas flame,
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but you can use other types of stovetops just fine.
And this coffee maker basically runs on internal steam pressure
power due to the physical design of the pot, which
is just three interconnected chambers for the water, the coffee grounds,
and the finished coffee. I'll get into specifics in a
(06:34):
minute here, but yeah, it's basically like a steam powered
coffee fountain. A mocha pot is easy to use, easy
to clean, won't burn your coffee, and partially because you're
using fine ground beans, makes a cup that's a little
bit stronger than what you would get out of like
a drip coffee maker or a pour over. Most of
the time, it is like having an espresso maker at home.
(07:00):
If you're willing to let the word like do some
real heavy lifting there. It's a it's a stove top
coffee kettle. Oh and the and the outward design is
traditionally like a shiny eight sided uh geometric aluminium thing.
Very very futurist. If you're unfamiliar with futurism as an
(07:21):
art category. I think like deco but harder. And so
if you're into that kind of thing, it's real esthetic,
just real cute, and yeah, it's practical and pleasing and
you get coffee out of it. It is. It is
a perfect machine.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
It does look it manages to look very I guess
steampunk is a good it's it's very futuristic but also
kind of old timing.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah, yeah, a little bit of both. That's absolutely what
futurism is, like, yeah, uh, and yeah, it's it's cool
because it is so simple. Ingenius is a word that
I ran across a lot in my reading today. Like
many ingenious things, it's a little difficult to describe aloud, though,
so bear with me. Okay. So a mocha pot is
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made up of, as I said, three chambers that you
lock together in order to use it. The one on
the bottom that's right up against the heat source is
basically just a cup that holds water. There's also a
safety valve on one side of it to vent steam
just in case something goes wrong with the process, so
that the kettle doesn't you know, explode. Good looking out excellent.
(08:36):
So that's the bottom chamber. The center chamber is where
you put the coffee grounds, and it's in this funnel shape.
The wide, thick head of the funnel is a basket
that holds the grounds and the long narrow tail of
the funnel dips down into the water in the lower chamber.
You put a filter plate down on top of the
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center chamber to secure the grounds with a gasket sandwiched
in there to create a good seal. And so yeah, yeah,
you you you slot the center chamber into the base
and then screw on the upper chamber. And the upper
chamber is basically a coffee fountain. It's got a long
vertical spout in the center that the coffee comes up
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through and then and then pours out of filling the
basin surrounding the spout. The upper chamber also has a
lid on top and like a heat resistant handle on
the outside and a pouring spout. Yeah, and here's how
it works. You put the whole thing together with you know,
water in the bottom chamber and coffee grounds in the center,
(09:42):
and you put it on a heat source. The heat
will simmer the water in the bottom chamber and that
creates steam, which is you know, trying to expand. But
it's trapped, so it just increases the pressure on the
remaining liquid water, and eventually the pressure becomes great enough
that the liquid water is forced up through the tail
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of the funnel into the coffee grounds in the middle chamber.
The grounds there infuse flavors and colors into the hot water,
and the continuing pressure from below forces this coffee infused
water otherwise known as coffee up through the filter that
you secured to the top and then up into the
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top chamber through its central spout, like water coming up
through the middle of a fountain. The coffee then collects
in the basin of the top chamber. The whole process
only takes a couple minutes, and you know the coffee
is done when you hear like the last little bits
of water sputtering through the upper spout with a little gurgle. Yeah.
(10:51):
And then yeah, you just lift the kettle off the
heat source with the usually black plastic handle, assuming it
doesn't fall off, and you pour yourself a cup of coffee.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Nice with the handle staying on. Would have been would
have been spectacular.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
It's really convenient when that happens. Yeah, when when it
stays on.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Mh.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
And yeah, this Uh. This thing is extra clever in
that it doesn't apply heat directly to the chamber holding
the coffee, and it furthermore like self regulates the temperature
of the water, like the pressure valve that I mentioned
would start venting if the water reached a full hard boil,
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so the water is not so hot that it burns
the delicate flavor oils in the beans. Note, however, that
this is not an espresso. To make a proper espresso,
you need to force water through tamped grounds at a
much higher pressure in a In a mocha pot on
a stovetop, you're working with like maybe one and a
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half to two. In an espresso machine, you're doing like
nine bars. So it's it's nice. It's still nice. Mocha
pots do come in various sizes and from various manufacturers
in slightly different formats. You can also buy electric mocha pots,
which work the same basic way, but come with the
(12:21):
heating element built into the bottom. You have to plug
them in. Yeah, that silvery aluminum with a black plastic
candle is the classic, but they do come in other
heat safe materials and all kinds of colors and patterns
as well. I mean like, I don't know, did you
need a Stranger Things themed mocha pot, because that's something
(12:41):
you can buy.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Interesting, okay, sure?
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Or squid Games or north Face or yeah, I don't know,
delcha in Gabana, let's go. Yeah. The classic brand Bioletti
usually features a cartoon drawing of this, like dapperly dressed
man with a big mustache and one hand raised and pointed. Uh.
It's usually somewhere on the pot, on the Stranger Things pot.
(13:11):
He's upside down, get it? Oh? Yeah. Also, I will
say that there is argument amongst moke pot aficionados about
which brands are better. This is not my purview, though,
I will say that the common consensus seems sensible. It's
(13:34):
the brands that use silicone gaskets instead of rubber ones
seal better and hold up better in the long run.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Whoa listeners, right, you've got strong opinions.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Oh my goodness. You know that we love strong opinions.
And I will say, yeah, the original pot is considered
like a true paragon of design, like it is in
the collections of like MoMA and the Smithsonian Design Museum
stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
So it does look I mean, it looks it's very
esthetically pleasing. Yeah yeah, well what about the nutrition.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Ah, do not eat coffee makers, no matter how ingenious
or aesthetically pleasing they are.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Okay, well, we do have some numbers for you.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
We do. From its inception up through twenty twenty two,
some three hundred and thirty million Bletti mocha pots were sold. Also,
a study from two thousand and nine, I think from
Bletti found that I think it's a survey maybe, found
that like ninety percent Italian households do in fact have
(15:02):
a mocha pot. And at that time Bioletti was selling
some two million moga pots a year. Wow. Also, this
isn't necessarily a number more cultural note, but okay. During
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the Venetian Carnival this year twenty twenty six, there is
going to be a biographical live theater piece that tells
the story of the Boltti family and the creation of
the mocha pot from the dreamy point of view of
the youngest daughter. It's going up the last two weekends
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of Carnival, February seventh and fourteenth. It's free. It's at
the M nine museum, y'all let us know.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Oh yes, oh, if you go to see that on
Valentine's Day. I salute you. I really maybe you met
over Moca pond. Yes, jeez, I desperately want to hear
(16:20):
more about this.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
So yeah, I understand that it incorporates yeah like spoken
word and I'll say some dance and I'll yeah, I'm
real curious about all of this, so I really, oh,
I hope there's a video.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Me as well. And I have to say, b l e.
They've got some mythos behind them, They've got some legends
and lore.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Wow, they do in a way that made it difficult
to untangle some of the historical reading here. But untangle
it I believe we have and we are going to
get into that as soon as we get back from
a quick break for a word from our sponsors, and
(17:09):
we're back. Thank you sponsored, Yes, thank you, so yes.
See our coffee episodes for more Espresso episode for more.
But here we are mostly talking about Italy and coffee,
and coffee brewing methods arrived in Italy from Africa by
the seventeenth century, so for a long time the method
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of brewing remained unchanged. It was very basically boiling water
and coffee three times in a metal plot and that's
how they did it. With industrialization came innovation, though, including
the first Italian patent for an espresso machine in nineteen
oh six. It was called La Pavoni after the inventor
(17:50):
and involved water being boiled into a tube through a
circular layer of ground up coffee. He brought it to
the World's Fair in Milan. He introduced it to a
lot of folks who came. The problem was it was
really expensive and too big.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
For most households, but the idea helped pave the way
for the mocha pot or depending on the source, The
first patent fourna espresso esque machine dates back to an
Italian inventor in eighteen eighty four. It was also a
large steam based device in the inventor he never actually
(18:27):
manufactured any of them because it was too much of
a pain. His patent was then the stepping off point
for another patent and then eventually the Law Pavoni. Most
people are, at least that's what I thought when I
first started this. Credit Luigi di Ponti with inventing the
(18:52):
moca pot in Italy and nineteen thirty three. He used
aluminum for the body with the idea of creating a
stove top coffee maker that relied on pressure for brewing.
He called it the Boca Express, and then Italian Alfonso
Biletti purchased the patent and then put the device in
production and popularized it, so people give him a lot
(19:15):
of credit to and in some versions of the history,
du Ponti developed it for Blet, not just like a
passing thing. At the time. Bletti just returned to Italy
from working at an aluminum studio in France to make
homemade metal products, and this was something on his.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Radar at the time. Italy had a bunch of aluminum
ore to work with. It was basically like the national
metal of choice for affordable goods, you know, like if
you could afford a silver coffee service set, you might
have one of those. But aluminum was a nice alternative.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Yes. And when I was talking about some of the
bigger historical factors impacting the mocha pot and this episode
that we cannot get into in depth, Mussolini had implemented
an embargo on stainless steel. So there was an element
(20:14):
of fascism as well going on here. Notably, this was
an element of futurism and modernism in Italy. So the fascism, Yeah, yes,
a lot of people have written about that and it
was a part of the history. If you want to
look into it, it exists.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yep. We are a food show.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Yes yes, even though it can be very difficult sometimes
to parse that out. The octagonal design and material really
catered to that whole thing, though Bilet also took inspiration
from a smaller coffee device, the Napolitana. It was simple enough.
It was a three chamber device, one chamber for water,
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one for coffee, and the last for bird coffee. Biletti
lore suggest that the design was based on early clothes
washing machines, amongst other things, and the process was very
similar for these washing machines.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Yeah yeah, a pressurized thing that yeah, pushed water through
a chamber. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
The mocha pot was a big deal in a lot
of ways, the design, the use of aluminum, but also
that it allowed folks to make an espresso substitute in
their home, something that was largely out of reach previously.
This was especially useful during the economic slump Italy experience
during the nineteen thirties, so people didn't necessarily have to
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go to cafes to get their caffeine fixed, they could
get it at home. This has an added layer when
it comes to women who generally weren't allowed in public
coffeehouses in Italy at the time. The mocha pot gained
popularity fairly quickly because of all these things, only more
so after metal factories were no longer producing arms during
(22:02):
World War Two and were refocusing their efforts on what
else they could make the price of coffee and aluminum
went down as well, and there was a burgeoning middle
class in Italy. Still, there was plenty of room to grow.
And that brings us to Alfonso's son, Renato Biletti, who
(22:22):
took over the company in nineteen forty six. And he
really made it his mission to get the mocha pot
to succeed. That was his whole big.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Yeah yeah, and it worked. I read that they sold
some twenty million units in a little over ten years, and.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
The marketing was good too. Yes. BLT commissioned a drawing
of Renato complete with a very striking mustache, the little
Man with the mustache as they called him. He looks
like the mayor from a Nightmare for Christmas today. I
see that, yeah, yeah, yeah, and I believe they still
use the image on the side of their pots.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
This was soon after Renato took over and they started
running television ads as well. Beginning in the nineteen fifties,
the company started running ads divorcing themselves or at least
attempting to from previously held fascist influence mindsets around women
in coffee, with ads like women drinking mocha pot, brood
coffee around men in suits. This is another big issue,
(23:26):
just the the stark difference in the ads they ran
of like women stay at home to women no, you
can drink coffee now and.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Wow fascinating fascinating.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Yeah. Topic for another podcast, yep. A mass migration of
Italian immigrants post World War Two led to the introduction
of mocha pots to places like Argentina, Peru. In Venezuela.
In the aftermath of Cuba's nineteen fifty nine revolution, coffee
rations were introduced in the form of coffee packets that
(24:03):
often contained fillers in order to make them last. Cuba
had a huge history with coffee, so a lot of
people turned to moga pots to brew better coffee with
what they had access to. That also could be a
whole episode as the demand for espresso spread across the globe.
(24:24):
In the nineteen seventies, the moca pot saw a rise
in foreign exports. It was highly associated with Italian cuisine
and culture, and particularly Italian coffee culture. However, moca pots
saw decline for several reasons beginning in the nineteen nineties.
There are a lot of theories as to why coffee
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pods when they came along Starbucks changing the American coffee
landscape with the help of the espresso machines that became
increasingly more available, the fact that moapot were generally an
at home, communal sort of device. Espresso purist claiming it
can't produce espresso, so what are we even doings.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
It's hard to say if you didn't live through the
nineteen nineties and you for some reason haven't watched Friends.
Not that that's a terrific show necessarily, but just like
it's really omnipresent, right, Yeah, like exactly how intense the
coffee shop culture in America was at that time.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Yes, absolutely, absolutely, well, whatever the case. When Renaldo Bielatti
died in twenty sixteen, his ashes were buried in a
large replica Mocha pot.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Yeah, that the urn. They made an urn shaped like
a mocha pot, and that is what they interred him in.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yes. Indeed, in twenty eighteen, there was a lot of
talk about the future of Biltti Industries. However, the Moca
Pot is experiencing a sort of nostalgia fueled rise. Not
only that, but during COVID lockdowns, people showed a renewed
(26:15):
or newfound interest in making something like espresso at home.
Social media also helped give it a boost. To that end,
Bilotti released a line of ground coffee products specifically designed
for their brand of Moca Pot Express.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Yeah. I believe that they also got into some some
coffee pod business themselves at that time. However, in April
of twenty twenty five, Bioletti announced that it was selling
a majority holding of its company to this Hong Kong
holding firm called Newo or Nuo Capital. I saw it
spelled out a couple different ways. This was amongst some
(26:56):
like reportedly poor investments and increasing petition from pod style coffeemakers.
I couldn't find any follow ups about whether the deal
was allowed to go through like regulations wise and in
what and like what in practicality that is going to
mean for the brand going forward, but developing, developing story. Then,
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in June of twenty twenty five, Celestina Bioletti, the youngest
of Alfonso's kids. She was born in nineteen forty five,
she published with a co writer a semi autobiographical, fictionalized
account of how the mocha pot came to be within
her family. The title, in translation is a Dream of
(27:45):
Dust and Water. It is what the play that I
mentioned above is based on.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
That's a good title.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
It's a really good title, right, Yeah, that is poetry.
I was like, all right, yeah, sure.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
That's something you would pick up and be like, ooh,
I'm about to read an American tragedy or something.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Coffee maker. Yeah sure, which, honestly, through a lot of
this research, I could go that way. Yeah yeah, Oh
my goodness. Yeah. I uh. I was saying to Annie
before we started recording, like I'm sorry that, like we
keep like accidentally doing these topics that might be better
(28:33):
served on your feminist podcast.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Yeah, it's all good. I mean, that's why we keep saying.
This is why food is such an important topic. You
think that you can isolate it from all these other issues,
and you just can't know.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
It is, everything is tied together, but.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
I do find it fascinating that Bioletti has really made it.
It was hard to get stories outside of theirs.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Yeah, yeah, but there I mean there are again, there
are many brands out there who make this type of device,
and yeah, it's oh, it's it's fascinating. I want I
want to look into so many, so many of these
little and not little, large, gigantic side quests.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yes, and I'm sure we shall, But I think that's
what we have to say about the Mocha Pop for now.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
It is. We would love to hear any of your
stories about it, though, But before we do that, we
have one more quick break for a word from our sponsors,
and we're back. Thank you, sponsor, Yes, thank you, And
we're back with listeners.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Yeah, steam pouring the coffee. Oh yeah, yes, Okay, So
we have two messages about Castile today. The first one
includes a lot of French and I'm gonna do my
very best.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yeah, you've got this. I can't help it, all sorry.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Twelve years of French down the journey. No, I got this.
I got this close enough, all right, Zara wrote, I've
just started listening to your episode on Castle, but I
thought you might like a few recipes for it from
the Laruese des Cuisine Dumns two thousand and one edition.
(30:43):
There's the Castelet du Bonac. Then there's Castle de Castel
Naberri from Black Cuisine Sans souci copyright nineteen seventy three,
imprint of nineteen ninety five from the Robert Lafonte Bouquine collection,
which is the worst for a book. This doesn't have
a picture. And finally the entry for Cassalet and the
(31:06):
l use Gastronaumique two thousand and four imprint. They're all
in French, so you might need a little help reading them,
but if you like making your own recipe after reading
a few examples, they'll help you for sure. Yes, and
there were images of the recipes included if any of
you listeners want them. I did enjoy looking over them.
(31:30):
So many opportunities, so many options.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Yeah, oh, I do like making my own recipe after
reading a few examples, So that's so thank you for
the spread.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Yeah, it's a good ideation. It's a good like jumping off.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Point yeah yeah, yeah, like like seeing seeing what different
people are doing with it and going like all right, Yeah,
this might work, it might not. Let's find out I
might have omitted a key part of the process. Let's go.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
You learn, you live, and you'll learn more.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Mary wrote, thanks for your great episode on castle a.
I wanted to share that my family does a variation
of castle at every year for the Sunday after Thanksgiving.
We do a weekly Sunday pot luck, and castle At
day is always a favorite. My mom, a dietician, recommends
that we should find more ways to incorporate beans into
our diet. A plus, this dish is a great way
(32:23):
to use up some leftovers. Thank you again for sharing
the history and deliciousness of castle at.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Oh that's great.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
I love a weekly Sunday pot luck. That's so nice. Yes,
that sounds and a castle at is an excellent dish
for that. Oh right. Yeah. Oh man, I need to
get myself together and make that.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Yeah. This kind of makes me nostalgic for when we
were doing in person dungeons and dragon sessions. Yeah, I
feel like that would have been a good Oh.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
That would have been a great one.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Heck, well, the future is open, Laura.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
There you go, there you go. Okay, I'll go look
up some recipes you guys got me.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Well. Thank you so much to both of these listeners
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
I'm Learn Vogelbaum, and today we have an episode for
you about the mocha pot.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Yes, was there any particular reason this was on your
mind for it?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Ah, don't. I don't think there was. I think I
was kind of maybe I just wanted another cup of
coffee while I was doing my ideation process, and then
I was like, ooh, mocha pots. I could be simple
as that could be, since not sure could have been anything.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
I only have one experience with the mocha pot.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
It is a shared experience.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Yes it is. And I think I've told it before
on the show, but I shall tell it again.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yes, many years ago, Lauren and I we went to
south By, Southwest and we were sharing a house with
several of our.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Coworkers, a house in which to sleep, not a house
in which entertainment was occurring, as event, which is.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
A thing that does happen. Yeah, my Southwest.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, we were sharing like an airbnb.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yeah, yes, exactly. And Jerry of stuff you should know
and many other things.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Super producer Jerry, wonderful human person.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Had him kapot. I had no idea what it was,
never had encountered one in my life, and I'm not
entirely sure how this chain of events played out.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
She was kindly allowing us to use it to make
coffee in the morning. It was like one of the
slightly larger ones, so you know, like you could make
a good couple cups of coffee at once in it.
And Caroline Irvin, one of the former hosts of Stuff
Mom Never Told You, was also there. She was and.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
She and I were trying to use this moke pot,
and through unforeseen events circumstances, broke the handle clean off
and looked at each other panicked, didn't know what to do.
(02:26):
Jerry is our boss, was our boss. Caroline ran out
of the room, ran away, Yeah, and I quickly ran
as well, if that tells you anything about my personality.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Just scattered as though we were all in a French farce, just.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Literally ran away. Caroline was trying to find glue. She
was trying to find a solution. I was absolutely panicking.
I wasn't trying to do anything other than remove myself
from the situation and blame that could occur upon me.
(03:07):
And then Jerry was so cool about it.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Oh yeah, of course, of course she was. She's Jerry,
She's so great. She was like, oh yeah, it's no
big deal. We were like, wasn't it your great aunts
or something. She was like, yeah, that's okay, let's pop
it back on there. That's cool.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
It was a very uh a fun traumatic. It was
a roller coaster. It was a roller coaster, is what
it was. And that is my experience with the moke
pot I But this is also the trip where Lauren
and I, especially you Lauren, got the idea for Savors.
So this was a it was a momentous trip, not
just because.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Of yeah yeah, I mean you know, like like the
the idea seed was because you brought us to so
many amazing places around Austin to eat food. So so
here we are, here, we are continuing the journey. I
didn't know what a moga pot was then now.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I have learned.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah, I have never personally owned amoga pot. I did
know a little bit more about them than apparently y'all
did at the time, But now I'm like, I should
probably own a mocha pot. Why don't I? I did.
I did drink a lot of coffee while I was
writing this outline because I was just if I'm thinking
(04:23):
about coffee, I can't not drink it. Yeah, So if
I sound a little bit faster than normal, it's only
because I'm slightly starting to like vibrate through space and time,
but only slightly, only slightly in a fun way, you know.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yeah, there we go. You can see our past episodes
on coffee and espresso for more on that.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Absolutely both are both are very instrumental in everything that's
going to go on here. But but yeah, so definitely
check those out if you are curious about yeah, all
of that.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yes, yeah, this was This is definitely an episode that
has very big I hesitate to even see, say, rabbit holes,
but it's just got a lot that came together for
it to come together. So well, I guess that does
bring us through our question.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I guess it does. Yeah. Sure, if y'all have never
heard of this device, then you're probably going like, what where, whom?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Well, all excellent questions. Indeed, the mocha pot, what is it?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Well, a moga pot is a type of home coffee
maker for making like espresso, adjacent coffee. It's it's not
electronic or it's not usually electronic. It is a small
kettle usually made of metal, often aluminium, that you operate
by heating it on a stovetop traditionally over a gas flame,
(06:12):
but you can use other types of stovetops just fine.
And this coffee maker basically runs on internal steam pressure
power due to the physical design of the pot, which
is just three interconnected chambers for the water, the coffee grounds,
and the finished coffee. I'll get into specifics in a
(06:34):
minute here, but yeah, it's basically like a steam powered
coffee fountain. A mocha pot is easy to use, easy
to clean, won't burn your coffee, and partially because you're
using fine ground beans, makes a cup that's a little
bit stronger than what you would get out of like
a drip coffee maker or a pour over. Most of
the time, it is like having an espresso maker at home.
(07:00):
If you're willing to let the word like do some
real heavy lifting there. It's a it's a stove top
coffee kettle. Oh and the and the outward design is
traditionally like a shiny eight sided uh geometric aluminium thing.
Very very futurist. If you're unfamiliar with futurism as an
(07:21):
art category. I think like deco but harder. And so
if you're into that kind of thing, it's real esthetic,
just real cute, and yeah, it's practical and pleasing and
you get coffee out of it. It is. It is
a perfect machine.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
It does look it manages to look very I guess
steampunk is a good it's it's very futuristic but also
kind of old timing.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah, yeah, a little bit of both. That's absolutely what
futurism is, like, yeah, uh, and yeah, it's it's cool
because it is so simple. Ingenius is a word that
I ran across a lot in my reading today. Like
many ingenious things, it's a little difficult to describe aloud, though,
so bear with me. Okay. So a mocha pot is
(08:13):
made up of, as I said, three chambers that you
lock together in order to use it. The one on
the bottom that's right up against the heat source is
basically just a cup that holds water. There's also a
safety valve on one side of it to vent steam
just in case something goes wrong with the process, so
that the kettle doesn't you know, explode. Good looking out excellent.
(08:36):
So that's the bottom chamber. The center chamber is where
you put the coffee grounds, and it's in this funnel shape.
The wide, thick head of the funnel is a basket
that holds the grounds and the long narrow tail of
the funnel dips down into the water in the lower chamber.
You put a filter plate down on top of the
(08:58):
center chamber to secure the grounds with a gasket sandwiched
in there to create a good seal. And so yeah, yeah,
you you you slot the center chamber into the base
and then screw on the upper chamber. And the upper
chamber is basically a coffee fountain. It's got a long
vertical spout in the center that the coffee comes up
(09:20):
through and then and then pours out of filling the
basin surrounding the spout. The upper chamber also has a
lid on top and like a heat resistant handle on
the outside and a pouring spout. Yeah, and here's how
it works. You put the whole thing together with you know,
water in the bottom chamber and coffee grounds in the center,
(09:42):
and you put it on a heat source. The heat
will simmer the water in the bottom chamber and that
creates steam, which is you know, trying to expand. But
it's trapped, so it just increases the pressure on the
remaining liquid water, and eventually the pressure becomes great enough
that the liquid water is forced up through the tail
(10:05):
of the funnel into the coffee grounds in the middle chamber.
The grounds there infuse flavors and colors into the hot water,
and the continuing pressure from below forces this coffee infused
water otherwise known as coffee up through the filter that
you secured to the top and then up into the
(10:27):
top chamber through its central spout, like water coming up
through the middle of a fountain. The coffee then collects
in the basin of the top chamber. The whole process
only takes a couple minutes, and you know the coffee
is done when you hear like the last little bits
of water sputtering through the upper spout with a little gurgle. Yeah.
(10:51):
And then yeah, you just lift the kettle off the
heat source with the usually black plastic handle, assuming it
doesn't fall off, and you pour yourself a cup of coffee.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Nice with the handle staying on. Would have been would
have been spectacular.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
It's really convenient when that happens. Yeah, when when it
stays on.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Mh.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
And yeah, this Uh. This thing is extra clever in
that it doesn't apply heat directly to the chamber holding
the coffee, and it furthermore like self regulates the temperature
of the water, like the pressure valve that I mentioned
would start venting if the water reached a full hard boil,
(11:37):
so the water is not so hot that it burns
the delicate flavor oils in the beans. Note, however, that
this is not an espresso. To make a proper espresso,
you need to force water through tamped grounds at a
much higher pressure in a In a mocha pot on
a stovetop, you're working with like maybe one and a
(11:59):
half to two. In an espresso machine, you're doing like
nine bars. So it's it's nice. It's still nice. Mocha
pots do come in various sizes and from various manufacturers
in slightly different formats. You can also buy electric mocha pots,
which work the same basic way, but come with the
(12:21):
heating element built into the bottom. You have to plug
them in. Yeah, that silvery aluminum with a black plastic
candle is the classic, but they do come in other
heat safe materials and all kinds of colors and patterns
as well. I mean like, I don't know, did you
need a Stranger Things themed mocha pot, because that's something
(12:41):
you can buy.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Interesting, okay, sure?
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Or squid Games or north Face or yeah, I don't know,
delcha in Gabana, let's go. Yeah. The classic brand Bioletti
usually features a cartoon drawing of this, like dapperly dressed
man with a big mustache and one hand raised and pointed. Uh.
It's usually somewhere on the pot, on the Stranger Things pot.
(13:11):
He's upside down, get it? Oh? Yeah. Also, I will
say that there is argument amongst moke pot aficionados about
which brands are better. This is not my purview, though,
I will say that the common consensus seems sensible. It's
(13:34):
the brands that use silicone gaskets instead of rubber ones
seal better and hold up better in the long run.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Whoa listeners, right, you've got strong opinions.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Oh my goodness. You know that we love strong opinions.
And I will say, yeah, the original pot is considered
like a true paragon of design, like it is in
the collections of like MoMA and the Smithsonian Design Museum
stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
So it does look I mean, it looks it's very
esthetically pleasing. Yeah yeah, well what about the nutrition.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Ah, do not eat coffee makers, no matter how ingenious
or aesthetically pleasing they are.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Okay, well, we do have some numbers for you.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
We do. From its inception up through twenty twenty two,
some three hundred and thirty million Bletti mocha pots were sold. Also,
a study from two thousand and nine, I think from
Bletti found that I think it's a survey maybe, found
that like ninety percent Italian households do in fact have
(15:02):
a mocha pot. And at that time Bioletti was selling
some two million moga pots a year. Wow. Also, this
isn't necessarily a number more cultural note, but okay. During
(15:22):
the Venetian Carnival this year twenty twenty six, there is
going to be a biographical live theater piece that tells
the story of the Boltti family and the creation of
the mocha pot from the dreamy point of view of
the youngest daughter. It's going up the last two weekends
(15:46):
of Carnival, February seventh and fourteenth. It's free. It's at
the M nine museum, y'all let us know.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Oh yes, oh, if you go to see that on
Valentine's Day. I salute you. I really maybe you met
over Moca pond. Yes, jeez, I desperately want to hear
(16:20):
more about this.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
So yeah, I understand that it incorporates yeah like spoken
word and I'll say some dance and I'll yeah, I'm
real curious about all of this, so I really, oh,
I hope there's a video.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Me as well. And I have to say, b l e.
They've got some mythos behind them, They've got some legends
and lore.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Wow, they do in a way that made it difficult
to untangle some of the historical reading here. But untangle
it I believe we have and we are going to
get into that as soon as we get back from
a quick break for a word from our sponsors, and
(17:09):
we're back. Thank you sponsored, Yes, thank you, so yes.
See our coffee episodes for more Espresso episode for more.
But here we are mostly talking about Italy and coffee,
and coffee brewing methods arrived in Italy from Africa by
the seventeenth century, so for a long time the method
(17:29):
of brewing remained unchanged. It was very basically boiling water
and coffee three times in a metal plot and that's
how they did it. With industrialization came innovation, though, including
the first Italian patent for an espresso machine in nineteen
oh six. It was called La Pavoni after the inventor
(17:50):
and involved water being boiled into a tube through a
circular layer of ground up coffee. He brought it to
the World's Fair in Milan. He introduced it to a
lot of folks who came. The problem was it was
really expensive and too big.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
For most households, but the idea helped pave the way
for the mocha pot or depending on the source, The
first patent fourna espresso esque machine dates back to an
Italian inventor in eighteen eighty four. It was also a
large steam based device in the inventor he never actually
(18:27):
manufactured any of them because it was too much of
a pain. His patent was then the stepping off point
for another patent and then eventually the Law Pavoni. Most
people are, at least that's what I thought when I
first started this. Credit Luigi di Ponti with inventing the
(18:52):
moca pot in Italy and nineteen thirty three. He used
aluminum for the body with the idea of creating a
stove top coffee maker that relied on pressure for brewing.
He called it the Boca Express, and then Italian Alfonso
Biletti purchased the patent and then put the device in
production and popularized it, so people give him a lot
(19:15):
of credit to and in some versions of the history,
du Ponti developed it for Blet, not just like a
passing thing. At the time. Bletti just returned to Italy
from working at an aluminum studio in France to make
homemade metal products, and this was something on his.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Radar at the time. Italy had a bunch of aluminum
ore to work with. It was basically like the national
metal of choice for affordable goods, you know, like if
you could afford a silver coffee service set, you might
have one of those. But aluminum was a nice alternative.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Yes. And when I was talking about some of the
bigger historical factors impacting the mocha pot and this episode
that we cannot get into in depth, Mussolini had implemented
an embargo on stainless steel. So there was an element
(20:14):
of fascism as well going on here. Notably, this was
an element of futurism and modernism in Italy. So the fascism, Yeah, yes,
a lot of people have written about that and it
was a part of the history. If you want to
look into it, it exists.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yep. We are a food show.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Yes yes, even though it can be very difficult sometimes
to parse that out. The octagonal design and material really
catered to that whole thing, though Bilet also took inspiration
from a smaller coffee device, the Napolitana. It was simple enough.
It was a three chamber device, one chamber for water,
(20:56):
one for coffee, and the last for bird coffee. Biletti
lore suggest that the design was based on early clothes
washing machines, amongst other things, and the process was very
similar for these washing machines.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Yeah yeah, a pressurized thing that yeah, pushed water through
a chamber. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
The mocha pot was a big deal in a lot
of ways, the design, the use of aluminum, but also
that it allowed folks to make an espresso substitute in
their home, something that was largely out of reach previously.
This was especially useful during the economic slump Italy experience
during the nineteen thirties, so people didn't necessarily have to
(21:41):
go to cafes to get their caffeine fixed, they could
get it at home. This has an added layer when
it comes to women who generally weren't allowed in public
coffeehouses in Italy at the time. The mocha pot gained
popularity fairly quickly because of all these things, only more
so after metal factories were no longer producing arms during
(22:02):
World War Two and were refocusing their efforts on what
else they could make the price of coffee and aluminum
went down as well, and there was a burgeoning middle
class in Italy. Still, there was plenty of room to grow.
And that brings us to Alfonso's son, Renato Biletti, who
(22:22):
took over the company in nineteen forty six. And he
really made it his mission to get the mocha pot
to succeed. That was his whole big.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Yeah yeah, and it worked. I read that they sold
some twenty million units in a little over ten years, and.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
The marketing was good too. Yes. BLT commissioned a drawing
of Renato complete with a very striking mustache, the little
Man with the mustache as they called him. He looks
like the mayor from a Nightmare for Christmas today. I
see that, yeah, yeah, yeah, and I believe they still
use the image on the side of their pots.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
This was soon after Renato took over and they started
running television ads as well. Beginning in the nineteen fifties,
the company started running ads divorcing themselves or at least
attempting to from previously held fascist influence mindsets around women
in coffee, with ads like women drinking mocha pot, brood
coffee around men in suits. This is another big issue,
(23:26):
just the the stark difference in the ads they ran
of like women stay at home to women no, you
can drink coffee now and.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Wow fascinating fascinating.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Yeah. Topic for another podcast, yep. A mass migration of
Italian immigrants post World War Two led to the introduction
of mocha pots to places like Argentina, Peru. In Venezuela.
In the aftermath of Cuba's nineteen fifty nine revolution, coffee
rations were introduced in the form of coffee packets that
(24:03):
often contained fillers in order to make them last. Cuba
had a huge history with coffee, so a lot of
people turned to moga pots to brew better coffee with
what they had access to. That also could be a
whole episode as the demand for espresso spread across the globe.
(24:24):
In the nineteen seventies, the moca pot saw a rise
in foreign exports. It was highly associated with Italian cuisine
and culture, and particularly Italian coffee culture. However, moca pots
saw decline for several reasons beginning in the nineteen nineties.
There are a lot of theories as to why coffee
(24:47):
pods when they came along Starbucks changing the American coffee
landscape with the help of the espresso machines that became
increasingly more available, the fact that moapot were generally an
at home, communal sort of device. Espresso purist claiming it
can't produce espresso, so what are we even doings.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
It's hard to say if you didn't live through the
nineteen nineties and you for some reason haven't watched Friends.
Not that that's a terrific show necessarily, but just like
it's really omnipresent, right, Yeah, like exactly how intense the
coffee shop culture in America was at that time.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Yes, absolutely, absolutely, well, whatever the case. When Renaldo Bielatti
died in twenty sixteen, his ashes were buried in a
large replica Mocha pot.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Yeah, that the urn. They made an urn shaped like
a mocha pot, and that is what they interred him in.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yes. Indeed, in twenty eighteen, there was a lot of
talk about the future of Biltti Industries. However, the Moca
Pot is experiencing a sort of nostalgia fueled rise. Not
only that, but during COVID lockdowns, people showed a renewed
(26:15):
or newfound interest in making something like espresso at home.
Social media also helped give it a boost. To that end,
Bilotti released a line of ground coffee products specifically designed
for their brand of Moca Pot Express.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Yeah. I believe that they also got into some some
coffee pod business themselves at that time. However, in April
of twenty twenty five, Bioletti announced that it was selling
a majority holding of its company to this Hong Kong
holding firm called Newo or Nuo Capital. I saw it
spelled out a couple different ways. This was amongst some
(26:56):
like reportedly poor investments and increasing petition from pod style coffeemakers.
I couldn't find any follow ups about whether the deal
was allowed to go through like regulations wise and in
what and like what in practicality that is going to
mean for the brand going forward, but developing, developing story. Then,
(27:20):
in June of twenty twenty five, Celestina Bioletti, the youngest
of Alfonso's kids. She was born in nineteen forty five,
she published with a co writer a semi autobiographical, fictionalized
account of how the mocha pot came to be within
her family. The title, in translation is a Dream of
(27:45):
Dust and Water. It is what the play that I
mentioned above is based on.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
That's a good title.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
It's a really good title, right, Yeah, that is poetry.
I was like, all right, yeah, sure.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
That's something you would pick up and be like, ooh,
I'm about to read an American tragedy or something.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Coffee maker. Yeah sure, which, honestly, through a lot of
this research, I could go that way. Yeah yeah, Oh
my goodness. Yeah. I uh. I was saying to Annie
before we started recording, like I'm sorry that, like we
keep like accidentally doing these topics that might be better
(28:33):
served on your feminist podcast.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Yeah, it's all good. I mean, that's why we keep saying.
This is why food is such an important topic. You
think that you can isolate it from all these other issues,
and you just can't know.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
It is, everything is tied together, but.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
I do find it fascinating that Bioletti has really made it.
It was hard to get stories outside of theirs.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Yeah, yeah, but there I mean there are again, there
are many brands out there who make this type of device,
and yeah, it's oh, it's it's fascinating. I want I
want to look into so many, so many of these
little and not little, large, gigantic side quests.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yes, and I'm sure we shall, But I think that's
what we have to say about the Mocha Pop for now.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
It is. We would love to hear any of your
stories about it, though, But before we do that, we
have one more quick break for a word from our sponsors,
and we're back. Thank you, sponsor, Yes, thank you, And
we're back with listeners.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Yeah, steam pouring the coffee. Oh yeah, yes, Okay, So
we have two messages about Castile today. The first one
includes a lot of French and I'm gonna do my
very best.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yeah, you've got this. I can't help it, all sorry.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Twelve years of French down the journey. No, I got this.
I got this close enough, all right, Zara wrote, I've
just started listening to your episode on Castle, but I
thought you might like a few recipes for it from
the Laruese des Cuisine Dumns two thousand and one edition.
(30:43):
There's the Castelet du Bonac. Then there's Castle de Castel
Naberri from Black Cuisine Sans souci copyright nineteen seventy three,
imprint of nineteen ninety five from the Robert Lafonte Bouquine collection,
which is the worst for a book. This doesn't have
a picture. And finally the entry for Cassalet and the
(31:06):
l use Gastronaumique two thousand and four imprint. They're all
in French, so you might need a little help reading them,
but if you like making your own recipe after reading
a few examples, they'll help you for sure. Yes, and
there were images of the recipes included if any of
you listeners want them. I did enjoy looking over them.
(31:30):
So many opportunities, so many options.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Yeah, oh, I do like making my own recipe after
reading a few examples, So that's so thank you for
the spread.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Yeah, it's a good ideation. It's a good like jumping off.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Point yeah yeah, yeah, like like seeing seeing what different
people are doing with it and going like all right, Yeah,
this might work, it might not. Let's find out I
might have omitted a key part of the process. Let's go.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
You learn, you live, and you'll learn more.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Mary wrote, thanks for your great episode on castle a.
I wanted to share that my family does a variation
of castle at every year for the Sunday after Thanksgiving.
We do a weekly Sunday pot luck, and castle At
day is always a favorite. My mom, a dietician, recommends
that we should find more ways to incorporate beans into
our diet. A plus, this dish is a great way
(32:23):
to use up some leftovers. Thank you again for sharing
the history and deliciousness of castle at.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Oh that's great.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
I love a weekly Sunday pot luck. That's so nice. Yes,
that sounds and a castle at is an excellent dish
for that. Oh right. Yeah. Oh man, I need to
get myself together and make that.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Yeah. This kind of makes me nostalgic for when we
were doing in person dungeons and dragon sessions. Yeah, I
feel like that would have been a good Oh.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
That would have been a great one.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Heck, well, the future is open, Laura.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
There you go, there you go. Okay, I'll go look
up some recipes you guys got me.
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