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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, this is Anny and Samantha. I'm notcome to step
whenever told your production by Heart Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
And we for this feminist movie Friday. If you're happening
to listen on a Friday, hey, good job. If not,
no matter, it's still feminist movie day. Whatever day you
want to slip in there. We are throwing it back
all the way back to nineteen eighty y'all. Yes, for
a cult classic, which is now what it is, deemed
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one with some interesting mixed reviews, but a movie that
has made its mark so much so that it spawned
TV shows, musicals, and even a possible remake currently in
the works. Supposedly, I don't know, there's even a documentary
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of where we are now. Spoiler alert, We're not much
better off. Actually we're worse. We are talking about the
classic nine to five. So just an FYI, from the
day I suggested this movie to the day I wrote
this damn outline, changes have occurred and sadness has ensued,
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and the way we were talking about this movie has
swiftly changed. So if something seems kind of like we're
coming backtracking and be like, well, it's actually this now,
it's because in the middle of literally two weeks. A
movie from the nineteen eighties has already changed, like perspectives
just within these two weeks of in twenty twenty five
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Deep Breath and Out. But yes, so with everything that's happening,
it seems it is. It's the fact that we are
going backwards. We thought it would be a good time
to revisit a classic. One of the many things this
movie did. It catapulted the beginning of Dolly Parton's acting career.
It was her first debut. And even if people did
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not like this movie, people said it was unrealistic. Of course,
it's unrealistic. Sorry. People said it was too cheeky. People
said it was too sitcomy, all of these, all of
these criticisms, but the one thing they all agreed, Dolly
Parton is a movie star. Literally was several different people's takes.
Most of the reviews that I read, by the way,
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were from men, were from men, which should be noted anyway,
moving on, of course, she also helped with the musical
talent by writing the titled song and hit nine to five, which,
by the way, Caroline Irvin, previous host of the show,
kills that song. It is her song in character see,
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she does a phenomenal job. She dances, she takes on
the spirit of Dolly Parton, hits those high notes like
nobody's business just in case it's a banger, and she
hits it. Y'all anyway. Originally an idea from Jane Fonda
and others from her production company at the time, after
learning about a women's organization of the same name, nine
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to five. A quote from her says, my ideas for
films always come from things that I hear and perceive
in my daily life. A very old friend of mine
has started an organization in Boston called nine to five,
which was an association of women office workers. I heard
them talking about their work and they had some great
stories and have always been attracted to those nineteen forties
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films with three female stars. And yes, this is absolutely
that kind of like hijinks ensues with these three women's
trying to help each other out but supporting each other.
I love it. This movie has been impactful and still
things relevant today. So let's start with the characters. The
four characters were going to mainly talk about. Of course,
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we will throw some other people in there, but just
so you know, Judy Burnley played by Jane Fonda, is
the new worker, new to work and recently divorced. Yes,
she had the stereotypical husband cheating on her with the
secretary of course. Then we have Violet Newstead played by
Lily Tomlin, which, by the way, one of my favorite,
older favorite movies when I first came into the US,
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was called Big Business and it's with her, Lily Tomlin
and Bette Midler such a like. I have not watched
that since. But Lily Tomlin is a genius, is a
comedic genius. But she plays the pro and seasoned worker
who is the real brains behind the division, a widowed
mother of four trying to do her best in a
business that it doesn't appreciate women at all. She knows this.
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Then we have Dora Lee Rhoades, the kind secretary who
is the constant victim of sexual harassment. Constant yeah, afeatly
so yeah anyway, And then we have Franklin m Hart,
the VP and jacks of the company slash of that
division specifically, so that's how we're gonna He is the villain,
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if you needed to know, Like outside of many other villains,
he is the main villain, Like he is the stereotypical
Jack's mel white boss, balding mal white boss who has
to like you know, think he's real big. So anyway,
those are our characters. So jumping into the plot, we
are first introduced to Judy, who is starting her journey
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in the working world after being out as a devoted
wife until her recent divorce. Violet has been assigned as
her trainer, who seems to train most people in the
office but never sees a promotion. We meet Franklin, who
was a dick, to put it lightly, and was even
trained by Violet herself. As Violet is training Judy, she
gives her all the office gossips and the no hows,
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and even loose to the fact that many suspect that
the secretary Dora Lee, is doing the boss and getting
extra perks quote unquote. We are quickly introduced to the
fact that white men are the most likely to get
promoted and ahead in this business, in any business, even
to the point that Rank steals the ideas created by Violet,
and he does this often being praised for his genius
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and know how. We also are quickly made aware of
Ross and she is the office tattletee and sickophant. Too
Heart even gets a woman fired for discussing the salary helloo.
As we go along, we find out that the company
is she and often mistrats all of the employees, including
the fact Violet has once again been left behind with
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the current promotion, which went to another white man. Too
Heart says is better because businesses only want to talk
to white men. He says, men, but we know what
that means, and that he has also been spreading rumors
that he was sleeping with Dorley, so he's the one
telling everyone he's having an affair, who has been actively
trying to get away from his Vans's or sexual harassment
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and pretty much assault to the points that she jokes
about it. She's like, I'm so used to this, which
I think that's more common than not. Unfortunately, so anywhere
after the three women decide all decided after a hard
day's work to get to go get some drinks. They
bond over the fact that they wish they could get
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rid of the Heart with different detailed fantasies, including howk tying,
hunting down, or poisoning. All the while they're having the
best time being a little bit naughty. When Green nudgs
nudge that they smoke weed as they returned to work.
A misunderstanding of an accident may may have you know,
she may have almost put poisoned Heart. It's fine where
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Heart ended up in the hospital and a whole hijinks ensues.
Dead bodies in a trunk, anyone police telling someone you
know they ate poisoning all those two things. Heart finds
out the accidental poisoning and how they try to play
it off, and he tries to use that against door
Lee and coercing her into having sex, which ended up
having him been hawg tied and kidnapped. It's a partially
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true fantasy. The women soon discovered that Heart has been
in bezzling money from the company and decides to use
that information into lackmailing him or getting him fired. Unfortunately,
it will take up it to a month to get
all this information that they need slash evidence. So they've
come up with a plan. They're going to keep him
at his house where the ladies take over the company
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and fix the problems. Heart was unwilling to do for
the company himself. Roz because she is a know it
all and with the noseat of a mall was also
sent to go learn French. As a part of the plan,
she was sent to a German linguistic school for a
possible promotion later down the road. All wise, soon it
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becomes apparent that nobody actually missed Heart, and the division
soon becomes profitable with the implementations of things like job
sharing in office, daycare, rehabilitation programs, and equal pay what
And though the plan seems to be working, the wife,
who has been gone on a solo cruise, who is
a victim in this all, but she does keep her
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eyes closed willingly believes the ridiculous but whatever, suddenly returns
home and is able to free Heart, though he doesn't
tell them right away. Instead, he goes to fix his
little crime. He's hiding everything that he's committed, and takes
all the women back to the office to gloat and
tell them that he was about to send them to
jail call the police. However, before he could do any
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of that, the chairman of the company arrives to meet
with Heart and congratulate him in his success. And it's
during this time because of his great success and all
the gloating, Heart finds out he's about to be promoted
as head of the Brazilian office and transferred there as
a part of the promotion. Yay. Here the women celebrate
their success together because not only did they not go
to jail, their works have been noted and seen as
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a good thing. Except for the whole equal pay thing.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Right, even that was too much.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
That's a stretch too far. Change that back. They are
sitting together drinking their wine, toasting their success, and then
we get a little PostScript about everything turns out violent
ends up being VP. Think goodness. Judy Mary's the Xerox representative.
There's a whole like comedic moment where she's really fighting
the paper machine. And Dora Lee becomes a successful country singer,
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which I'm like, they didn't have her sing it in
any of the They needed to have a moment where
she sings in there whatever. And then Hart is kidnapped
by what they say is indigenous people and disappears into
the Amazons, happy, never to be seen again. Happy endings
for a whole well so any parts of foremost Because
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you've never seen this movie?
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Correct, No, that was my first time.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
What was your thoughts?
Speaker 1 (10:44):
I really enjoyed it. I thought I thought I knew
what it was like. I knew that the boss got kidnapped,
like they kidnapped him, but I thought I had no
idea there was gonna be this whole middle section where
there's like car chases, a car escapes, and dead bodies.
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And I kept waiting for whoever the dead body they
accidentally took they thought he had been poisoned. Yeah, And
I was like, I want to see the like side
movie of what what's going on there? And like I
had no idea that it was going to be all
of this stuff happening in it. And then the when
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they smoked weed, Yeah, I wasn't expecting that. So it
was it was fun and it was pretty wild, like
a lot of action in it. Actually, there is a
lot of action.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
This is I this is that slapstick that happened in
the Ages that came back to, but it was a
little different.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Yeah, I was surprised, Like a lot of it actually
surprised me, even though I thought I knew what it
was and I did. I mean, it's really sad, but
it was kind of shocking at how much I was like, oh, yeah,
we're still talking about that today.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
These novel ideas that could would that is rarely instituted anywhere.
No one talked about the whole like giving away of
food as an incentive, which I loved, but someone that
was a thing. Yeah, so this whole movie. Originally they
had thought that they were going to do it as
a drama m and then they changed their mind and like,
I don't think it's gonna they needed like a spoonful
of sugar to help them go down. Essentially, it's the ideals,
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although people really didn't like that. Again, that was part
of the criticism, is like it was so over the
top that it's not believable, it's not worth watching, and
it doesn't really give a good turn on society. Weinstein
made a comment about how this really impacted women and
we need to pay attention to movies like this and
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that oh interesting. Yeah. So there was a documentary about
Still nine to five, which we came back to because
we were trying to figure out if there was a
sequel or whatever whatnot, and then turned out that there
was a documentary and which is just talking about the
fact that nothing has changed.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yeah, and I wonder if that's I mean, it is upsetting,
but I wonder if that's one of the reasons, like
for me watching it for the first time now, Like
I'm just so familiar with that stuff that it was
kind of nice for it to not be a drama
to me, right, And it was kind of nice. I
loved how they had the friendship group, had their fights
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and they all had like moments of before they just
seemed to break down, but they all kind of stuck
together and built each other up. Like I really appreciated that.
It was nice to It was nice to see them uniting,
and honestly, like I was surprised at how not graphic,
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but how kind of openly they were talking about like
killing the boss, right and bonding over that, and I
was like.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
It was tracking.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Yeah, well no, it just felt like I wasn't expecting it.
I just wasn't expecting it from a movie from that time.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
The ready they were ready. I think there's so much
to be said. And I love that these women were
the ones that play these characters because it fit who
they are today, Like they kind of carried that even today.
I know Lily Tomlin, I'm sure they all are, but
Lily Tomlin and Jane fond adjusted projects together not too
long ago, Like they're still friends, they're still very close,
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and this was the first movie I believe that they
were in together. And part of the reason she wanted
to do this movie was to work with Lily Tomlin,
especially in a comedic setting, because again she's an icon
and it comes to that comedy. She kind of comes
in that era of Gilda Radner, like they were comedians
to a different level. It really was the beginning when
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you saw women making comedy like sitcoms and making slapstick
and being leads in it, and it was it was new, newer,
especially and Lily Tomlin was at the like the front
of that. And like I said, her and Bette Miller
and Big Business is one of my all time favorite movies.
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I wonder how it holds up. It's on Disney right now,
not a sponsor.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
It's kind of scared, but it's it's scary to revisit someone.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
That's right, right, Because I was trying to find this
movie the stream somewhere and we could I couldn't, but
like Big Business popped up and I was like, oh no, anyway,
but it definitely has a lot of like their their
backbone in it, and you can tell it, you can
tell what it is. Immediately after that was Baby Boom
came up like as a play after the fact because
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it's kind of reminiscent of the working woman having the
kid and all these things. It was interesting, but it
was this era when we were telling these different type
of stories from women's perspective. Women's perspective. Of course, it's
also during this time that the women can have it all? Yeah,
should have it all comes up and it becomes kind of.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Like a erk because it's you know, the eighties and
waitmen are coming into the workplace.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
So speaking of which, so let's talk about some of
the things. And the first part is that whole women
in the workplace conversation. We had the part time employee
or a woman trying to be part time because she
has kids and really trying to change having to work
but being there, not being able to be for our
kids and need to be home for our kids. And
we also have the main character Violet, who has four
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kids once as an adult but like she's a widower
trying to figure herself out as well as a recently
divorced woman. And that's you know, Jane Vonda's character Judy,
who's having to take care of her quote unquote take
care of herself and because her husband left her with
nothing essentially.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Yeah, And I did think it was interesting infuriating when
Violet was the promotion was turned down because the boss
was like, well people businesses like dealing with men, and
he really needed it because he has kids, and she
was like and I don't right, right.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Right?
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Yeah? Yeah, to see them like having these it was
interesting to have the different the dynamics of them. Because
Dolly Parton's character, Dora Lee too, she has a what
it seems to be a really loving relationship. Yeah, didn't
creep you out.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
It creeps me.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Out because it's like smile for me, it's like.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Right, yeah. So there were so many things to that
scene that really bothered me because you kind of see
Dora Ley painted as a uh, just a dormat and
so her trying to vent to her husband and her
husband's like, don't worry about a smile, let me let
me sex you up. That's all make your all better.
And I'm like, well, was that really the solution? Like
this supposed to show that she's happily married and doesn't
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want anything to do with him, and it's very satisfied
with this man, or is just just showing that she is, yes,
in fact, a doormat.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
I feel like I think at the time it was
so she was happily married. I think looking back at it,
it doesn't feel that had.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Oh it was so creepy to me. So this is
one of those movies I told you at the very beginning.
It is somehow relevant but irrelevant at the same time,
like both the most relevant non relevant movie, the most
relevant that can't that doesn't withstand time type of movie.
Like it really so there's so many cringe things, but
on top of that that these issues still remain.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah, yeah, my vibe. But I mean, she was very
happy when he left, but she was more happy that
left he was out of town and so she was
more happy that she could share her house so they
could get high.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
So many things. But yeah, so it was such a
weird like moment to me that like, this scene makes
me feel gross. I don't know why, but I don't
like this scene. And this is supposed to depict again
Liker being a happily married woman whatever whatnot. I do
think it's funny, like in every Poor Poor Dolly pardon,
she can't ever escape it, and she said she is
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who she is and proud of herself. But the fact
that very first scene when we're interested introduced to Doorley, like,
we have Judy just staring at her breasts and shock
like just staring like poor dolly. Yeah she can't just.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Be to be fair.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
We all know she's got beautiful knockers, so go ahead, ladies.
Is meant to like you do you But at the
same time let her be. But yeah, that whole balance life. Uh,
they're trying to figure it out. We also have Lily
Tommins character Violet's kind of bonding with her oldest son,
who is trying to be like, yes, you need to
do these things, you need to relax, you need to
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do for you, Like he was giving her a lot
of good advice, like whether he knows it or not,
he was a feminist.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Ye also gave her the weed and gave her the waste.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
I'm gonna put it, I'm gonna put in your pocket book.
I got you, I got you. After she fixed the
garage door herself because she don't need no man, just
someone to make sure she doesn't fall.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Yeah, uh, that was a good thing.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
I liked that seed I did too, But it does
come back to help out when she has to hang up,
Oh dear heart, just in cases, just in cases. Of course.
Another thing that was very quick slip, but I want
to talk about it was that whole racism in the workplace.
You have the one person, No, there's several black characters,
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but the first one you're introduced to is the mill
I guess a person from the mail room because it's
not a male man. There's not a male person. It's
just like they go through the office and realizing he
has been denied a promotion himself and he's been working
there for so long, and he's like in his mind,
he says like I can't even get out of the basement,
you know. And I feel like it was a very
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like snip moment that a white woman would still be
mm hmm with no experience, Yeah, we'll still be chosen
over that. And so I was like, I feel like
it's like they slipped it in there, but they never
really because we do see black women being a part
of the uh employee in the office. But I feel
like that was purposely played in there, and UH, it's
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good to recognize that because real, of course, sexism in
the workplace, that's obvious, right, like that's the entirety business, right,
the entirety of the plot business is not working with women,
Like don't want to talk to them, they don't think
they're like competent to do so. The whole light taking
credit for her work, pretending like he doesn't, that whole
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moment where he looks at the uh her proposal she
sent to him about color coding something mm hmmm, and
he's like, oh, I oh, I have to look at
that because there's they needs to be fixed, and then
immediately turning around and using it to get more credit
to credibility to his name. Yeah, or that could be
just any underling versus like we know that's not necessarily
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just because she's a woman, but you know that, but
who's being promoted, who was being seen, who was being noted?
Like everybody who was ahead were all men of the
departments as we saw.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Yeah, and it did come back to Biden. I mean
that's what God him sent to Brazil, but he didn't
want to go because he'd been taking credit for all
their ideas, even if he didn't know it at that point.
But he couldn't back out because it done so well.
He's getting all his praise be.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Like, she should be promoted, she's the one who did this.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Yeah, can't do that.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
And then of course a line that kind of was
a tie line for him, her heart, the sexist, egotistical, lying,
hypocritical bigot.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
It just follows him because they could repeatedly say that
to him because he.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Is he is. And I knew it watching it, and
I was waiting for it, and I was like, I wonder,
how like overt this is going to be pretty overt.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
The knogging of things to make Dorley pick it up,
the cleavish shot in the mind of the scarf, the
having Violet who was not his secretary, continually doing secretarial
including going to buy a.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Scarf that he lied and said was for his wife, right,
it was actually for Dora Lee.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
And they all assume because he spread the rumor it
was one of the parks she was getting for sleeping
with them. Of course, sexual harassment, which this one was
so intense that I was like, my god, and like,
we have to have it in I think we I
saw that I've watched this movie during one of our
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reproductive rights organization put on the movie, viewing as like
a Q and a fundraiser thing that I actually went
with Caroline with and we had that moment, and I
think one of the conversation was, Yeah, just like you
said earlier, these things are so likely or real that
if it wasn't put into this extreme level of comedic scenery,
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nobody could actually watch this. No women could actually watch this.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
It would I it would be miserable. It would be
like yeah, I know, yeah yeah, and then that all the.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Time, yeah, being traumatized. Interestingly, I also was like, when
she does the her taking it out on him, I'm like,
this would never work because they would actually take that
as an advance. He would jump on that immediately.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Yeah. Yeah. So and you're talking about Dora Lee's fantasy, right, right,
So in her fantasy, she's like, I'd reverse it essentially
and give him a taste of his own medicine.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
And I mean it's very striking because you're like, yeah,
this feels weird, like because she's a woman doing this
to man. Not that that doesn't happen, but it felt
very like, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Right, and it does happen, but in this specific scenario
where he's harassing her and trying to coerce her, he
wants her to do this, right, these are the things
that he wants from her, right, So to me, I
was like, this is this is not what you think.
This is like it's not just the power it is yeah,
so all these things to me, it was like okay,
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but also like I have experienced harassment, sexual harassment in
a way that came off as jokes. Yeah, so this
feels kind of like, yeah, this is the only way
we could actually like be funny. But at the same time,
that's what they do to hide it. So it kind
of is that double standard, like, yeah, we gotta be
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careful on how we delete this. Again. They did what
they had to do and could do in nineteen eighty so,
but like forty five years ago, this was you know,
trying to I think, trying to have men watch it
and be like, you know what I mean, this is
not you because you're not this extreme, But this happens,
isn't that awful type of conversation and type of like
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light handedly like women go.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Right, right, And I think the issue is a lot
of men don't and I don't know, they don't realize
that to them its normal. So it's like, yeah, I
don't see what your issue is right.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
But she was able to say no, she's not like
she couldn't say exactly, and she handled it. She didn't
make it a big deal. She knew he was not
completely real.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Yeah, which I can admit I did appreciate. I liked
how she was like, I've been upfront with you all
of this, all of this, all this, but it was
kind of unbelievable because you're like, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
This is not what happened. But the happier point of
this movie, as you were already referencing any, is that
this movie is about women supporting women. One thing that
I have seen about Jane Vonda she loves her girls,
she loves her friends, and she like vouches for our friends.
I think she was already kind of marred by a
lot of like politicians, and I guess Hollywood, especially rightly
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in Hollywood at that point, because she had been protesting
the Vietnam War. People were pissing that she is anti
American because she did not like the war. She felt
like it was political dot dot dot. Even the way
she speaks about like the rights of people today, she's
never changed her stance. I honestly think the whole like
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we've seen was a big view to the government. I've
not seen anything. I've not read anything. Maybe I've missed it.
So if y'all know an article where she talks about that,
I'm I almost like eighty ninety one hundred percent sure
that she did this as of you to the government
because it was their war on drugs, instead of seeing
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that their war in general was what they should be
concentrating on. So it was interesting to me because she
was that person, but like I said, her lover working
with Lily Tomlin and making sure that this was in
the forefront, her love for her friend from Boston, like
loving what she was doing and wanting to be bigger
and wanting to have a bigger conversation. I don't know
if it truly worked like we're talking about it today.
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And if you weren't a huge fan and did this research,
I wouldn't have known that it was an organization until
after the.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Fact, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I would have just thought this was a great movie.
Moving on. Yeah, So it's an interesting take. And I'm
trying to remember my family's liking of this movie or not,
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because my mom's very conservative, stay at home mom. I
don't know if she actually watched it, but she loves
Dolly Pardon. My family loves some Dolly Pardon. Christmas music
is Dolly Parton and Kenny Rogers. We are only vacation
growing up was to Dollywood, So I can't imagine that
they didn't know about this, but I'm sure we watched it.
(28:55):
I just don't have a big significant remembering, like what
their response was this to this.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
I mean, it's going back. I imagine I have no
idea how your family responded to it. But going back
to that double edged sword of making something more palatable
so more people will watch it is I think probably
a lot of conservative people watched it, and we're sort
of like, you know, ha ha, that's the way it is,
(29:24):
instead of ha ha ha. We should change this, like
us is bad.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I'm assuming it's hahaha, that's so extreme that it's not realistic,
that doesn't happen. So that, of course I made him
a super villain in order to be palatable instead of
having real life commonalities, and he gets punished in the end,
and that's how they think it works. Like oh yeah,
but if you truly are deserved to be punished, you
will be right which is not what's happening. What happens.
(29:49):
But yes, but back to the women supporting women, they
they definitely do one right after, like still a body,
all right, we're going to help you out. Let's put
the body back. No one knows, no one needs to know.
We got a plan.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Was not expected that, that's one.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Of the best. You poison them, Okay, let's get you
a lawyer. We're gonna get you a lawyer. Calm down,
all right. I also loved the whole shooting, like Judy
has got the gun, which, of course Dolly Parton has
a gun in her pocket. But I'm like, this is
real legal. Yeah, even in the eighties.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
I'm pretty sure I would think so.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
But maybe not. Who knows. But like her shooting at him,
hog tying, and everybody's like, okay, okay, hog tying that
this makes sense. We know who to go to when
we're in trouble. I love that they had a plan
and we had each other's backs.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
They did, and like I said, I appreciated that they
got angry at each other sometimes, right, but they were
still like, no, okay, okay, we can fix it up.
We can do this.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
I will say the entire time, Dora Lee seemed to
be the most take charge yea of the people, And
I love that when they discover they're going to they're
going to change out the the fender or they're trying
to pull the fender back and they're going to get
the tool, they don't care that there's a body back there.
(31:14):
They're more they are shocked that this is not the
body they thought it was, but not too shocked because
they're like, ah, Judy, can you come here for a second.
That that playout was so funny to me that that
like relaxed door Y's like.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Huh, yeah, this isn't.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Still my favorite.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
I also love everyone's really judgmental of Dora Ley because
they think she's having an affair with the boss and
so they don't sit with her and all this stuff.
But I kind of love how Violet was like whatever,
Like even from the beginning, she's like live and let live.
I don't know, she.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Actually says, good for you do what you need to,
Like she actually just like if you have to do that,
go for it.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
But I like how quickly, Yeah, they they really bonded
and came together, and it was it was really fun
to see them like some weed.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Any they'll drink some little weed apparently, and a plan
and a few.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Plans responsible substance use.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
But yeah, like we said, but going on another theme,
like we didn't really it's not a theme, but I
think it's it's a fun side note again, apparently Reagan's
wife watched the movie and it was doing Valentine's Day,
I guess, and I don't know the release dateum might
have been around that time. And apparently Reagan, Ronald Reagan
(32:45):
liked it except for the wheat part. Like he made
a statement about it and saying something about how it
made it more appealing for the young folks. It romanticized
it and they shouldn't have done that. It would have
been fine if it would just been alcohol, is what
he says.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
And I'm like, really, why, yeah, had to make a statement.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Like I think he just made it, but like the
fact that he liked the movie, and like, I'm like,
and his wife really liked the movie. I'm like, your
wife is a is a RaSE of the world, just
so we know she's the ras if we needed to
talk about it, and then unfortunately, we're kind of gonna
go come back to what's happening today again, there talks
(33:24):
about having it be remade. I believe Jennifer Aniston's companies
looking into it about possibly making a remake. It kept
saying this year. But I don't know if that's true
or if it's just like that she'll always talk about it.
I think it needs to be an action movie at
this point. This needs to be like a Noahl's barred,
like yeah, revenge film at this moment. This is what
(33:48):
I'm gonna say. So there's an article written I think
it was in twenty twenty one, so not too recent,
but you know recent enough about the movie titled why
nine to five still resonates today, and it's by Karen Dusbaum. So,
and they say it took social movements in the nineteen
(34:08):
sixties and seventies to restore progress to women who had
lost so much ground and leaped forward. So the success
of nine to five in nineteen eighty captured that momentum
and promised the future of positive change, a promise that
as still working, nine to five will remind you still
hasn't been fulfilled. And then on top of that, unfortunately,
(34:30):
that movement that happened the sixties seventies that resulted into
the Equal Employment Opportunity Act has been revoked with the
Civil Rights Act as of this week in twenty twenty five,
today's January twenty three, twenty twenty five. I hope when
people listen back to this, that we can come back
about this being a dark moment and that has changed.
(34:54):
This is this is my hope, because those types of revoking,
like I can not believe this is the act he
thought would really save everything. The tales from everybody talking
about this is discriminatory, that this act was discriminatory. So
(35:17):
somehow the people who have the most money, the group
of people that has the most likelihood of surviving and
being successful and having homes and being able to have
this all that we've talked about, are suddenly being discriminated again.
Somehow who are statistically more have more profit. And if
you are wondering if just because you're white does not
(35:41):
mean this help you, especially for the women. So just
and I know our listeners they already know, they already know,
and this is You're not the people that I'm talking
to at all. Any Any immigrant, not any person of color,
who really thought this wouldn't happen has happened. It's interesting
because these movies are We're trying to be a cautionary
(36:06):
tell and then like kind of like a hopeful future
and then forty five years later we're worse than they were.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Yeah, after I was finished kind of revamping and rethinking
some of these themes, and I didn't we didn't change
anything except we're like, we're gonna have to at least
talk about where we are today. I really needed a nap.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
That's fair. That's fair.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
I was like, I just need to close my eyes
when I talk about narcolepsy. I'm like, this is why
I think I have narcolepsy, because when I'm stressed like this,
my body physically shuts down.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
You know, we won't go into this now, but I
was thinking about it recently and I was it's so
interesting to me. I'd be so much more productive if
I didn't have all of this bullsh to do with,
and your capitalism would be doing a lot better. But
instead I'm like, oh God, let me just sit.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Yeah, there's a lot especially as we wait to see
if people because we know you already know ACLU has
already gone after the administration for the immigration band taking
this whole birthright citizenship, which apparently they can't do at
this point. It's not legal. It's just yeah fluff. Yeah
(37:42):
doesn't mean they're not going to try. No, doesn't mean
ICE has not already been out there. And we do
want to come back and do an episode about what
to know about your rights for any immigrants. Technically I
am too, I mean I am a citizen. However it
is naturalized, so we know the how back in go.
So the fear is very real, but we will come
(38:06):
back and we do want to talk about your rights
and how to go forward in that. In this conversation,
please know we love you, We're thinking about you. But
on this feminist movie Friday, what I thought would be
a conversation about a good old classic with things that
we still need to learn. I didn't realize we would
(38:27):
come back with this is no longer relevant because it
is relevant, but less like I can't that fact that
we're talking about it in a way that we have
less rights than those people, than the people in this
movie is phenomenal. So this is a fantasy. This movie
(38:56):
is a fantasy.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Yeah. It was a fun one though, Yes, So if you.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Would like to see a fantasy, feel good movie for
the moment with a lot of eighties sit comic.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Oh, the technology, we didn't even talk about that.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
We didn't even talk about the tap tap tap, oh,
tap tap tip and then the giant.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Phone head printer, the printer, ye.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
The giant. We didn't even talk about. The woman who
was an.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Alcoholic at the office.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
I feel you.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
I loved her. I love that she's like at a girl.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Every single one of them, at a girl. I quit,
I'm done for the day, and we could drink at
a girl she said, medicinal purposes.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
I do love that they were all like, I'm going
to get a drink in the middle of the day,
and everyone was like, okay.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Enjoy it. Kind of looks like, you know, like pre
people having breakdowns at offices, like understanding, do not push her, Yes,
let her go.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
You don't need this, you you don't want this.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
He let them go. But with all of that, we
love you. Take the time to enjoy some of these fantasies.
It's okay. You can't be in a constant plus state
of panic. It's not good for you.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
No, no, it's not. And we hope that these episodes,
some of them, of course, we will be jackling current issues,
but the ones where we get to have a bit
more fun. We hope that there are bright spots for
you and that you can find a moment in them
to maybe take take a breath, enjoy. As always, you
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