March 28, 2025 • 36 mins
As if! The 90s classic Clueless featured iconic lines, scenes and outfits that left an enduring cultural impact. Anney and Samantha pull out our vintage phones and dish on themes of friendship and love.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm walking stuff. I
never told you Abduction of iHeart Radio, and.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
We're doing another classic for this feminist movie Friday, because
we'd love a good classic. Excuse my voice. I'm started
to think that I'm now going into my late night
radio voice, you know, that kind of easy, smooth listening.
I'm not as good as Delilah. Do you all remember Delilah?
(00:39):
This is a throwback as well in the nineties eighties,
I think, do you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
I don't know what you're talking about. But when I
first started, somebody wrote in and said, you remind me
of the schweaty Ball segment from Saturday Night.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Okay, that actually made me choke. It's amazing, you know what.
That's a compliment because the NPR voice is a special
voice that people have and it's very soothing. I need
to channel that. I need to channel that with my
mixed Korean country accent I have. But anyway, speaking of classics, yes,
(01:20):
because Shreddy Balls is a classic. M'st be honest, We're
coming back with a thirty year old classic. In fact,
I feel like we do this all the time, where
we hit it right on the head. And yes, it's
from a like a nineteen ninety five movie, and the
fact that that's thirty years makes me again have a
panic attack because what anyway, moving on, and you know what,
(01:44):
this is also one of those surprise but not surprise
movies that Annie has never seen. I was I was
like what, I was like, yeah, okay, that tracks. How
old were you when this came out? It was ninety five,
have been like six or seven? Yeah, so you were young,
but you watched a lot later on, so I'm surprised
(02:05):
that it never came back to you.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Yeah, I kind of too. No, Wow, that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
So of course I had to make a request for
you to tell us what you have envisioned or what
you were thinking that this movie is about before even
watching it, because again, I've not met many people who
have not seen this movie, so I needed to know
what you thought this movie was going to be about.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yes, and I'm not sure we said it, but we're
talking about Clueless.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Oh yeah, we got to add that, y'all. We were
talking about Clueless, Yes, the classic.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Hopefully the title would give you some heads up on that.
But yes, I had not seen it, so I wrote
this prediction before I watched it, and here here's the quote.
I think that romance will happen between the lead actress
who wears iconic outfits and drives nice cars with Paul Rudd.
(03:05):
She is clueless about how good a guy he is,
and or she must confront how oblivious she is in
terms of money. Also, this is not Clue. I kept
having to remind myself, which.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Is another classic which I loved as a kid. Clue
was one of my favorite favorite movies. I could quote
that movie so well as a kid, and I didn't
even know half the things that it's like. It meant
like Red Herring had no clue what that meant, but
I said it often and I didn't know it was anyway,
We're not talking about Clue, correct. I liked your predictions
(03:40):
is very generic. Yeah, you know, I mean how wrong I.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Have to say. When I first started watching it and
I found out Paul Rudd was the like stepbrother, I
was like, Oh, I'm so wrong. I'm gonna have to
make fun of myself. And I was like, oh, okay, well, there's.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
A lot of questionable things in this that we're going
to come back to that I was like, uh, maybe
maybe this shouldn't have been a thing, but whatever, we're
going to come back. But yes, thank you for that. Again,
you were really young, so honestly not surprised that you
didn't see it initially coming out, but I am surprised
(04:21):
that it never popped back up for you because it
is a classic, like people reference it videos. Ariana Grande
did a whole thing with this. I think the Australian
White Rapper Igizelia also through like a montage of it,
essentially kind of giving a throwbacks, and there's been plenty
since then because it's it's iconic. It's iconic. So this
(04:44):
is actually a retelling of Emma, and I didn't want
to tell you that. Have you ever read Emma, which
is a Jane Austin classic? No, you know anything about Emma?
Right then? Actually, Emma is one of two films that
stars Gwyneth Paltrow that I actually liked, and both of
the films that I like with her. She has an
English accent which makes me laugh. I don't think it's
(05:06):
good either, but I loved the movies. It was Emma,
which is like she kind of has that crying face
similar to Claire Days where everybody's like very distinctive crying face,
and she does that in Emma as well as Sliding Doors,
which is another movie that we're not talking about. And
so while we were looking for an inclusive film that
(05:28):
had a director that was a woman as well as
written by a woman, as well as starring a woman,
it was actually really difficult to find all the classics
because we were trying to do something lighthearted with all
of these things that we're talking about. We're having some
really great interviews with really deep talks, and we're like,
we'll do something that's kind of easy and like a
classic again, something that we would want to revisit so eventually,
(05:50):
so might as well do it now. But it was
really hard to find something that actually had all of
those criterias met because all of the classics that I'm like,
this is all to watch this one was you usually
directed by men, which I found surprising because the writers
may have been women who have pretty big names in
the industry that could control. And don't get me wrong,
(06:11):
and not that not that men can't direct. I'm sure
they're great at their job, you know, for men, but
like it's surprising in an industry that is lacking so
much when it comes to uh specifically directors who are women,
that they wouldn't find one. But anyway, this is how
it came upon Clueless again, one of the classics that
(06:32):
I did want to come revisit anyway, because yes, it's
one that exists that has all of those criterias met
as well as the fact that it is inclusive enough
that it actually has black characters that are not stereotypical
but stereotypical. So I don't know if that's a blossom not,
but you know what I mean. So let's jump into
it into Amy Heckerling's nineteen ninety five at classic Clueless,
(06:54):
which has Alicia Silverstone playing the iconic Schaer Horowitz, Stacey
Dad as Dion Davenport, Britney Murphy as Ty Fraser, Paul
Rudd as Josh Lucas, and so many others that you
will recognize obviously, and I'm not giving you know O
to them, but the list goes on and on. You
can go and look them up on IMDb. Not a sponsor,
(07:15):
so let's start Share is a popular sixteen year old
almost sixteen year old with high standards in a privileged
life during her trying times of finding out that she
did not do so well during her mid terms, she
decided to not only negotiate for better grades, but also
help out the lonely teachers that seem so miserable as well.
(07:36):
So she, with the help of her best friend diond
both named after famous musicians, UH worked their magic to
get mister Hall, the debate teacher, together with Misgeist, the
ethics teacher. By the way, I did not have these
subjects in high school, and this is my high school era.
Did you have those subjects?
Speaker 1 (07:54):
I had ethics, did you?
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I think it was grouped with so something else, but
there was ethics in the title. And then we've talked
about this. I had a class that featured debate, but
I wouldn't call it a debate class. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
That was in our English class, and it wasn't really
that much debate. Maybe I just didn't take the right classes.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
I don't know. I feel like debate was more of
an after school activity. But I did have a class
where we engaged it.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Oh yeah, yeah. Interesting. So, with their plans successful, she
has done. The chair successful into philanthropy pushes her into
doing more and it's during this time she means Tie
a transplant from the East Coast. She Share and Diane
take her under her wings to transform her to become
a third in their group, all the while shared stepbrother
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who was no longer her stepbrother since his mother and
her dad divorced. So but it comes around Josh have
clashed due to their differences, but of course in a
playful teasing manner. Josh is a law student, I think
because that will put him a twenty something twenties anyway,
(09:04):
a student with hopes of being an environmental law coming
to stay often with them, and was also very helpful
for her father's current case, which is like a big deal,
high profile, big deal. We never know what it's about though.
Back to Shares a special project Dion, and she's set
to make Ti the new popular girl and to get
her a boyfriend, because you know, popularity means you have
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to have a boyfriend. Although Tye makes it a connection
with the class local class clown and high dude. He's
always hied and a skater boy. He's a skater boy.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
He's a skater boy.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yeah. Travis Cher advises her to find a more suitable
mate like Elton. By the way, the character Elton name
is actually in Emma, I remember correctly. She doesn't bring
that over anyway. Another popular kid whose father is a
music producer also a play on that. Unfortunately, Elton has
(10:00):
eyes for Share and this soon crushes thy spirit and
everybody else is planned. At the same time, a new
face comes into town, Christian, who Share is excited by
for the first time. So after pulling all her tricks
and seemingly being rejected, Oh no, she finds out that
he's actually gay, of course, and the two of them
(10:21):
become good friends, you know. At the same time, we
see that Josh rescues Tie from an embarrassing situation. Here
we have a fun guest, Mighty Mighty Bosstones. Do you
know who that is? Any? Did you know that was
a band?
Speaker 1 (10:38):
I think they have a song that I know. It's
like a really popular one.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
This is a big SKA era because also they featured
like a No Doubt in here. So this as long
as as well as ten Things I Hate About You,
have some amazing good like SKA tracks. Did you pick
up on the No Doubt one? I'm just a girl?
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Oh at the beginning?
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Yeah? Okay, yes, checking chick uh and Ty becomes smitten.
After being rescued and all as things turned into Ty's favor,
she suddenly becomes the it girl, which is now no
longer Share, and at the same time, Share fails her
drivers test, so no Shares confused, but through her long
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process of trying to figure things out, she realizes that
she actually likes Josh and has a crush on Josh
and the fact that her tricks won't work on Josh
because you know, he's a college boy very much older
than her. But anyway, moving on, But soon they find
out that feelings were reciprocated and Ty once again realizes
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she has a thing for Travis and at the wedding
of mister Hall and Missguy, so we have a happy
ending with everybody with their respective coupling.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yes, and fighting over the bouquet.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Fighting over the bouquet, a little bit of flashing happens,
all those things, but Share wins.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
End of show.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Any tell me your thoughts on this movie?
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Oh? Okay, Well, I'm sure I'll have plenty of thoughts
in the themes. But I did really enjoy it. It
was quite It was not at all what I was expecting,
despite my vague prediction being kind of close. I was like, oh,
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you know, it was it was funny, Like I thought
it was really funny. There were a lot of people
that showed up. I wasn't expecting that. I enjoyed. I
didn't know Donald I was gonna be in there. The
accents were fun. I couldn't quite pin it down, but
(12:58):
I really enjoyed them. And yeah, it was just kind
of a goofy. It was fun as the viewer because
you sort of know the punchline already. You get that
she's clueless already, so it was sort of fun to
hear her inner monologue and her trying to figure things
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out when you're like, oh, I know. It also had
some moments that kind of I was not expecting. I
got like the being held up at gunpoint part freaked
me out. I was not expecting that at all. There
was just a couple of beats where I was like, okay, no,
I did not I did not know this was coming.
(13:42):
But no, I really I really enjoyed it. I thought
it was it was a fun It was a fun one, right.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
It's the fun I think it's really easy watching very
fun one. It sort of holds up in that, at
least with the stereotype. They know when they're ridiculous like it.
It's very overstated and obvious what they're doing, I will say.
So let's go into the themes of course friendship. Friendship.
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You know, the nineties really had some good setups for
girls supporting girls, women supporting women, and I think this
is one of those that definitely did tie in. Dion's
friendship is very like honest and brutal, but like really
cute and sincere. Like you wouldn't expect it to be
as chummy as they are and supportive. You expect it
to be like Amber, you know, the character who comes
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in as like the opposite to share and her foil
essentially in the back and forth they have and the
jealousy and all of that nonsense. But you also have
the girls caring for girls the whole, like helping tie
of course, it was like charitable work in their head
and it turned into oh no, she's really cool type
of conversation. So it's really cute on that level. The
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late Brittany Murphy who played this character rip she did
it an amazing job. They talked about her coming in
an audition and being like on point, and both she
and Alicia Silverstone really kind of came up from this role,
like this was kind of their beginning and they kind
of shot out into the universe. Brittany had always had
that vocal talent, so they featured her singing at the
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you know, super cute with her being like a little
bit clumsy, like adorable person that she is. So it
was it was a nice little back and forth with them,
and of course the iconic lines of as if yeah,
you know that's that stuck around. That stuck around for
a long while, as well as you know Brittany Murphy's
line your virgin who can't drive?
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Yeah, and then the reaction Alicia Stilversona had a response
to that. She's I was like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Girl, you hurt. She says, She's like, that was way harsh.
I love that they did say that the whole speech
when she talks about the Haitians, her mispronunciation, she didn't
know she was mispronouncing it, and like when people were
trying to correct it. The director he groling was like, no,
don't tell her, don't tell her. This is too cute.
(16:09):
We have to keep the sense no one tell her,
So like stuff like that. Super cute, but yes, the
whole friendship I really did like. And then they come
back together and like apologizing and realizing where they were
wrong and then like rebuilding that friendship into that. So
I thought it was really sweet on that level. And
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then you have I've got charity work, Like essentially, there's
so much conversation about what rich people think would be
charity work, and it feels like this is on point
when she's helping to get all the donations for the
hurricane victims and all of that, and she's like among caviar,
of course, skis skis, but you know why, you do
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what you can. And then her talking about her the
maid or the parts of the housekeeper and giving her her
the APLETs, and then you know the fact that she's
racist and called her Mexican and saying that I don't
speak Mexican. I'm like, e yeah, So we have that,
(17:13):
and it does kind of come to the fact that
like she's means well, but she's obviously very clueless in
her privilege.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Oh yes, yeah, And I mean that's kind of the
you know, the ultimateth thing with her and Dionne taking
on Tie as a kind of charity case. In the beginning,
and then at the end, towards the end, after they
tie and share have their big fight, she's like, what
monster have I created? And guess what tie ends up
(17:44):
with the person she wanted in the beginning that they
steered her away from, so kind of having this well
meaning but completely clueless understanding of how things act actually work,
and just the way because you do get to see, Oh,
this is another thing I really love about this movie.
(18:06):
A lot of teenage movies do this. We've talked about
this before. I love how it's like they start class
and then she'll go up and do her debate and
then class is over. It's got to be like a
five minute class. I love it. But every debate you
see her and she's like just clearly not connecting. She's like, oh,
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at this garden party I had and people that NORSVP
and she doesn't quite get it. And that's the you know.
The interesting thing with her and Josh is that Josh
is allegedly totally the opposite, where he's like, you never
think about anybody but yourself, And there is sort of
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an ailment too, of the kind of white guilt of
I want to make myself feel better, and she doesn't
quite understand that either, Like she's doing a lot of
this for her, not because she actually cares.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Right.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
She does kind of change towards the end when she
helps Miss Guist with the environmental effort, but it's still
sort of you know, she feels bad, so she.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Wants to her repertoive like I'm a good person, right,
and she does that a lot, to the point that he,
like Josh, does call that out. I'm like, I'm sure
this is serving you more than it is serving them,
is helping you more than it is helping them. So like,
you know, all of that is like very true, but
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in her mind that's okay, it could be both. Uh.
And then we got the theme of love. Right, So
Misgeist and mister Hall getting together. That's a super cute
bit awkward bit, But the fact that their bad moods
could be resolved by love such a romantic trope. That
idea that like, yes, if they're in a good mood,
then if they find love, that's all they need to
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solve all of the problems. Everybody's problems obviously, I mean
not gonna be wrong. When you're excited about a new relationship,
it does help and it does make you feel better,
and it does people can see that as well. But
I thought I was interesting. Yeah. So when I was
realizing I'm not gonna lie, I was thinking about this
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movie before I watched it and thinking about, you know,
what will we talk about in it? And I remembered
the age gap and I was like, wait, is she
a senior? Oh, she's not a senior's sixteen? She's sixteen.
She's sixteen this day was in college or at least,
like the very least he's eighteen, but they're talking about
him being in law school, so he's probably at least twenty.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
They never say his age appropriately, so but I'm like, oh, no, oh, no, no,
why why would we be so happy with this?
Speaker 1 (20:55):
It's funny because I was looking up there was an
actor that I was like, I want to know who
this is, looking it up on IMDb, and the first
like Google results of you know what people search the
most was what is the age?
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Did you get the result of that? That?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Okay, I didn't click on it, but yeah, yeah, And
it is kind of funny because we didn't talk about
this before, but Chaer doesn't is at first very against
dating high school boys. As mentioned, is a virgin and
it is really happy with that, which I kind of appreciated,
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but then she sort of gets the taste for it
after she meets this gay guy. Unfortunately, I mean unfortunately
that's that was not going to work out. But yeah,
but she I couldn't tell if it was supposed to
be sort of a play on that because she didn't
end up with a high school boy. She ended up
with a college boy, right. And I remember this for
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my time in high school. I don't know if you're
school was like this, but at prom, if you had
somebody was coming from another school or who was older
than a certain age, you had to get a slip
filled out like it was a whole deal, and it
was kind of like very gossip worthy of she's got
a college boy or something like that.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I just remember when people would talk about it, it would
be a scandal, because what college boy wants to come
back for a prom, Like if it was kind of
seen as shameful or a college person, not just a boy,
college person to come back to high school, which is
still like a year or two difference typically, so it
was like still looked out. I'm like, you couldn't find
anything better to do.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Well our proms, I'm sure you probably would agree with me,
but small town problems were not.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
It was definitely in the cafeteria.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yeah, our was in the.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
I was in the cafeteria, but like we all went
to Atlanta to eat and then came back yes to
I think we went to the hard Rock Cafe.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
I went to Ruby Tuesday one time.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Yeah, that's Owinner Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
So the first prom, I can't remember where we went.
Then we went to a steakhouse in Canton. If you're
from Georgia, North Georgia, you know. And I had invited
a friend that had moved before we went to prom,
and I wasn't dating, but I didn't date anybody in
high school. So he came with us and he was
acting like by date and it freaked me out. I'm like, no, bro,
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we're just I just wanted you to be with us
and I'm the only one that's single. So but like
he would hug me and I was like, no, we're
not dating, We're not dating. And then the second prom drama,
the guy who wanted to take me had just broken
up with my friend, and so I'm very like good
uh like good friends I would never, so I said no.
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We said no, and he was like, I can take
you and her, and I'm like, that's super weird. I'm
not doing that. And then I had another guy who
was just a good guy friend who was supposed to
go with me, but his best friend tricked him into
asking another girl because they were wanting to go with pears.
Like her best friend was like, not going to go
unless she had a date, and he was like he
had apologized to me later because I was like, I
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thought we were gonna go together. So I went by
myself with a crew of all my friends that had
all of their dates. They went on a carriage ride
and I stayed.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
In the car. Goodness, wow, I mean that you could
have had a movie.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
So that was my prom experience. But I think all
of the dates, like we had at least two of
our friends who brought So that guy that I was
talking about, he was a year older, but like he
didn't go to college anywhere he lived in town. I
don't think he technically graduated high school. I think he
got a ged, which is not a problem, but like
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he had never gone to a problem before, so of
course we want him to come. But yeah, we've never
had to do a slip, never had someone from college
come back. Well, I'm sure we have. That's not true.
But again it was one of those like side eye,
why are you here? M conversations, because like, why would
you come back to go to a prom in a
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cafeteria where the main song was she thinks my tractor
are sexy? You think and I'm not? That was the
main song for our prom? Wow?
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Wow wow wow wow. That's interesting. I mean, I feel
like we had this similar There was a similar vibe,
but there was also a vibe of like, I don't know, mystery,
how did you get this college person to come?
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Yeah? Yeah, for the person, yes, for the college person. No,
but yeah seeing this person like Paul Rudd's character who
getting lawsuited, thoroughly confused.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Yeah. And the funny thing is, you know, this movie
is rife with I would say, magical movie makeovers. The
funny thing is, as I said, when I first started,
I was like, oh my god, I'm so wrong about
this prediction. WHOA. But then there's the scene where Cher's
walking down the stairs in her white dress to go
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on to what she thinks is a date with Christian
and Paul Rudd looks at her and he's like, you're
not gonna let her go out like that to her dad,
and I was like, oh my god, I might actually right.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
And you were and you were. There's so many things
to that. That's like, first of all, why are they drinking?
The nineties did not care? No, I guess they don't
care now either, to be honest, like they have to
be cool all of those things, talking about espressos and
all these things, and no one really caring enough. The
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fact that she's driving about with no license made me laugh.
I was like, wait, why are they okay with this?
Were we just really strict and ridiculous or is this
a trope that like they we did me being that
age of what a she was, I was like, man,
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I wish I was like her. I wish I was
cool like her. I wish I could do the outfits
and the closets and the shoes and all these things.
So she was actually Alicia Silverstone was actually eighteen, so
she wasn't too far in age when she filmed this,
So all of those things just like wow, like looking back,
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what she looked like versus what I looked like? Two
different two different places in life, two different places in life.
But with that, I know you you had to have
been loving the technology, the computer, the media. When she
is basing her day on the outfit that she's going
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to wear. Yes, that was an actual program if I
remember correctly, like they created one I think after the fact.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Okay, so listeners, look, you gotta look this up. But
basically it very near the opening of the movie uh
Share is on an old computer. Oh and she has
like a graphic for the top and the bottom of
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an outfit and at the along the bottom of the
screen you can see things like jacket and pan and
all this, and she's just putting together these outfits and
it'll say like mismatch until she finally is like fall
fashion and she gets a match and that's what she wears.
But yes, I was. I was stunned and very happy
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to witness this.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
This is like the upgraded paper dolls essentially when you
mix like different clothes. But I remember, yeah, they I
think I want to say Vogue did something like where
they created this for you. So if you can download
a program with AOL like, no, none of these are
just like Swanson, but you can create your own profile
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and try these iconic outfits. I think if I remember correctly,
I could be wrong. Listeners, I know you know what
I'm talking about, So come back and tell me some
of you in my generation, because I'm pretty sure this
was something that came out after because people were so
excited by it, like they like, we would love this.
Although I did not have outfits like that a B.
(30:01):
I didn't have a lot of outfits, so it didn't
take that much effort to put together one. Uh. This
was my era of like I would wear jeans, a
T shirt and a flannel shirt. That was my go to,
like to the point that I remember people would draw
me that would be the outfit every time. Hey, it
(30:25):
still holds up along with my cardigans along. I've just
switched it up for cardigans and hoodies. But yeah, but
it was quite funny to see that iconic fashion that again,
that her opening outfit, the yellow plaid suit, small tweet
jacket and such. That's iconic. People know that that's the outfit.
(30:49):
People mimic.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Yeah, that's what I knew.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
An O to this show, the hat that Dion wears,
I remember that being a thing as well.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
I think like this was the era of the Jeep,
the California kids, California girls and the Jeeps and the
California Boys and the jeep with the the top down
which flips very easily and kills a lot of people.
But you know, he's okay, you do you just drive carefully.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
I did laugh when they got on the freeway and
it was such a dramatic scene They're all scream because
I know that's kind of an LA inside joke, but
it was just very funny.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
But also like, I've been in traffic in LA and
with the drivers that we've been with terrifying.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Oh yeah, terrifying.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
And I say, this is an Atlanta driver who was
pretty aggressive in Atlanta. LA traffic is a whole different conversation.
And the way they weave in and out. I knew
we were going to die, but he cut that. He
cut the time down ten minutes somehow. The adventure we had,
(32:00):
the last adventure we had in LA, they took us
the back roads and like we're gonna get murdered.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
I was like, wow, where are we going?
Speaker 2 (32:08):
But he was he was just as confused as like,
I don't know where we're going. I've never been this
way and I'm like, sir, sir, please don't tell us
this surprise things.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
But yes I did.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Then the cell phones, the constant communicate.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
They were in school just on their cell phones, in
class on their cell phones.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
It was the beginning too, like nineteen ninety five, So
I'm really surprised. It wasn't the giant phones, but it
was the ones with the antenna all the way up
that you had to slam down. It was not a smartphone,
not a smartphone, no, no pictures could be taken. But
I do remember that I didn't have a cell phone
(32:52):
until I was out of for college, and that had
an antenna. I love that phone, man, I love that phone.
A good reception. That was before like all of the
yeah awful things happen. But with that the cell phone.
Did they have a pager? Yeah, they at the very beginning,
(33:14):
at the very beginning, because he was paging her the
entire time.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Dion's boyfriend, Murray was paging.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Murray Donald Donald face on, which is hysterical because they
do go back and forth and you do have a
moment of like Dawson's Creek monologue or like a dialogue
in which he sounds really adult and tie comes in
and she's like, wow, y'all talk like adults. And then
they simpled it down, like kind of dumb it down
with Yeah, the school is really good. It's a really
(33:44):
good school.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
I love like.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
I felt like that was an ode to that as well.
But yeah, that is the classic clueless and we did
it in the thirtieth year. I'm sure we'll hear more
about it. I feel like they talk more about it
and like do July because that was the last article
was like the twenty fifth anniversary. I think twenty with
the anniversary is a bigger deal than the thirtieth, but
(34:09):
who knows. There was nothing surprising. There was nothing that
I didn't remember from that movie. So I was like, okay,
so I've seen this enough. Yeah. I was surprised about
how young Paul would look because he still looks so young.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Yeah, I had that thought too. I had that thought too.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
I was thinking about like all the women in the cast,
and then I was like, but Paul read nothing against him,
but he's the one that's like, you know, still really
active for various reasons. But I was like, yeah, I
mean he's still still looks like that. Essentially, they do
(34:59):
have a lot of talk abo about that in here.
A lot of jokes about like, you know, getting liposection
or getting cosmetic surgery of some kind, and a lot
of weight jokes, which was just very common in the nineties.
But they were done, like you said, pretty like tongue
in cheek, right, But yeah, they're.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
There, Like there was shaming, but you're not your typical
It wasn't very like one sided. Was there absolute like
obvious indications. Yes, it's the nineties, of course, but like
it's not as horrific as some movies really.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Go oh yeah, No, A lot of it did feel
very very like we know what we're doing here, right.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Right, So there you go, Annie, Thank you for going
down this memoried lane your first time with me.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
It was fun. I had no idea what was going
to have, but I didn't know what I was in for.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
That's so crazy to me.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
And I had a good time. I had a good time.
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
We're doing another classic for this feminist movie Friday, because
we'd love a good classic. Excuse my voice. I'm started
to think that I'm now going into my late night
radio voice, you know, that kind of easy, smooth listening.
I'm not as good as Delilah. Do you all remember Delilah?
(00:39):
This is a throwback as well in the nineties eighties,
I think, do you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
I don't know what you're talking about. But when I
first started, somebody wrote in and said, you remind me
of the schweaty Ball segment from Saturday Night.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Okay, that actually made me choke. It's amazing, you know what.
That's a compliment because the NPR voice is a special
voice that people have and it's very soothing. I need
to channel that. I need to channel that with my
mixed Korean country accent I have. But anyway, speaking of classics, yes,
(01:20):
because Shreddy Balls is a classic. M'st be honest, We're
coming back with a thirty year old classic. In fact,
I feel like we do this all the time, where
we hit it right on the head. And yes, it's
from a like a nineteen ninety five movie, and the
fact that that's thirty years makes me again have a
panic attack because what anyway, moving on, and you know what,
(01:44):
this is also one of those surprise but not surprise
movies that Annie has never seen. I was I was
like what, I was like, yeah, okay, that tracks. How
old were you when this came out? It was ninety five,
have been like six or seven? Yeah, so you were young,
but you watched a lot later on, so I'm surprised
(02:05):
that it never came back to you.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Yeah, I kind of too. No, Wow, that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
So of course I had to make a request for
you to tell us what you have envisioned or what
you were thinking that this movie is about before even
watching it, because again, I've not met many people who
have not seen this movie, so I needed to know
what you thought this movie was going to be about.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yes, and I'm not sure we said it, but we're
talking about Clueless.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Oh yeah, we got to add that, y'all. We were
talking about Clueless, Yes, the classic.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Hopefully the title would give you some heads up on that.
But yes, I had not seen it, so I wrote
this prediction before I watched it, and here here's the quote.
I think that romance will happen between the lead actress
who wears iconic outfits and drives nice cars with Paul Rudd.
(03:05):
She is clueless about how good a guy he is,
and or she must confront how oblivious she is in
terms of money. Also, this is not Clue. I kept
having to remind myself, which.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Is another classic which I loved as a kid. Clue
was one of my favorite favorite movies. I could quote
that movie so well as a kid, and I didn't
even know half the things that it's like. It meant
like Red Herring had no clue what that meant, but
I said it often and I didn't know it was anyway,
We're not talking about Clue, correct. I liked your predictions
(03:40):
is very generic. Yeah, you know, I mean how wrong I.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Have to say. When I first started watching it and
I found out Paul Rudd was the like stepbrother, I
was like, Oh, I'm so wrong. I'm gonna have to
make fun of myself. And I was like, oh, okay, well, there's.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
A lot of questionable things in this that we're going
to come back to that I was like, uh, maybe
maybe this shouldn't have been a thing, but whatever, we're
going to come back. But yes, thank you for that. Again,
you were really young, so honestly not surprised that you
didn't see it initially coming out, but I am surprised
(04:21):
that it never popped back up for you because it
is a classic, like people reference it videos. Ariana Grande
did a whole thing with this. I think the Australian
White Rapper Igizelia also through like a montage of it,
essentially kind of giving a throwbacks, and there's been plenty
since then because it's it's iconic. It's iconic. So this
(04:44):
is actually a retelling of Emma, and I didn't want
to tell you that. Have you ever read Emma, which
is a Jane Austin classic? No, you know anything about Emma?
Right then? Actually, Emma is one of two films that
stars Gwyneth Paltrow that I actually liked, and both of
the films that I like with her. She has an
English accent which makes me laugh. I don't think it's
(05:06):
good either, but I loved the movies. It was Emma,
which is like she kind of has that crying face
similar to Claire Days where everybody's like very distinctive crying face,
and she does that in Emma as well as Sliding Doors,
which is another movie that we're not talking about. And
so while we were looking for an inclusive film that
(05:28):
had a director that was a woman as well as
written by a woman, as well as starring a woman,
it was actually really difficult to find all the classics
because we were trying to do something lighthearted with all
of these things that we're talking about. We're having some
really great interviews with really deep talks, and we're like,
we'll do something that's kind of easy and like a
classic again, something that we would want to revisit so eventually,
(05:50):
so might as well do it now. But it was
really hard to find something that actually had all of
those criterias met because all of the classics that I'm like,
this is all to watch this one was you usually
directed by men, which I found surprising because the writers
may have been women who have pretty big names in
the industry that could control. And don't get me wrong,
(06:11):
and not that not that men can't direct. I'm sure
they're great at their job, you know, for men, but
like it's surprising in an industry that is lacking so
much when it comes to uh specifically directors who are women,
that they wouldn't find one. But anyway, this is how
it came upon Clueless again, one of the classics that
(06:32):
I did want to come revisit anyway, because yes, it's
one that exists that has all of those criterias met
as well as the fact that it is inclusive enough
that it actually has black characters that are not stereotypical
but stereotypical. So I don't know if that's a blossom not,
but you know what I mean. So let's jump into
it into Amy Heckerling's nineteen ninety five at classic Clueless,
(06:54):
which has Alicia Silverstone playing the iconic Schaer Horowitz, Stacey
Dad as Dion Davenport, Britney Murphy as Ty Fraser, Paul
Rudd as Josh Lucas, and so many others that you
will recognize obviously, and I'm not giving you know O
to them, but the list goes on and on. You
can go and look them up on IMDb. Not a sponsor,
(07:15):
so let's start Share is a popular sixteen year old
almost sixteen year old with high standards in a privileged
life during her trying times of finding out that she
did not do so well during her mid terms, she
decided to not only negotiate for better grades, but also
help out the lonely teachers that seem so miserable as well.
(07:36):
So she, with the help of her best friend diond
both named after famous musicians, UH worked their magic to
get mister Hall, the debate teacher, together with Misgeist, the
ethics teacher. By the way, I did not have these
subjects in high school, and this is my high school era.
Did you have those subjects?
Speaker 1 (07:54):
I had ethics, did you?
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I think it was grouped with so something else, but
there was ethics in the title. And then we've talked
about this. I had a class that featured debate, but
I wouldn't call it a debate class. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
That was in our English class, and it wasn't really
that much debate. Maybe I just didn't take the right classes.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
I don't know. I feel like debate was more of
an after school activity. But I did have a class
where we engaged it.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Oh yeah, yeah. Interesting. So, with their plans successful, she
has done. The chair successful into philanthropy pushes her into
doing more and it's during this time she means Tie
a transplant from the East Coast. She Share and Diane
take her under her wings to transform her to become
a third in their group, all the while shared stepbrother
(08:42):
who was no longer her stepbrother since his mother and
her dad divorced. So but it comes around Josh have
clashed due to their differences, but of course in a
playful teasing manner. Josh is a law student, I think
because that will put him a twenty something twenties anyway,
(09:04):
a student with hopes of being an environmental law coming
to stay often with them, and was also very helpful
for her father's current case, which is like a big deal,
high profile, big deal. We never know what it's about though.
Back to Shares a special project Dion, and she's set
to make Ti the new popular girl and to get
her a boyfriend, because you know, popularity means you have
(09:27):
to have a boyfriend. Although Tye makes it a connection
with the class local class clown and high dude. He's
always hied and a skater boy. He's a skater boy.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
He's a skater boy.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yeah. Travis Cher advises her to find a more suitable
mate like Elton. By the way, the character Elton name
is actually in Emma, I remember correctly. She doesn't bring
that over anyway. Another popular kid whose father is a
music producer also a play on that. Unfortunately, Elton has
(10:00):
eyes for Share and this soon crushes thy spirit and
everybody else is planned. At the same time, a new
face comes into town, Christian, who Share is excited by
for the first time. So after pulling all her tricks
and seemingly being rejected, Oh no, she finds out that
he's actually gay, of course, and the two of them
(10:21):
become good friends, you know. At the same time, we
see that Josh rescues Tie from an embarrassing situation. Here
we have a fun guest, Mighty Mighty Bosstones. Do you
know who that is? Any? Did you know that was
a band?
Speaker 1 (10:38):
I think they have a song that I know. It's
like a really popular one.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
This is a big SKA era because also they featured
like a No Doubt in here. So this as long
as as well as ten Things I Hate About You,
have some amazing good like SKA tracks. Did you pick
up on the No Doubt one? I'm just a girl?
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Oh at the beginning?
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Yeah? Okay, yes, checking chick uh and Ty becomes smitten.
After being rescued and all as things turned into Ty's favor,
she suddenly becomes the it girl, which is now no
longer Share, and at the same time, Share fails her
drivers test, so no Shares confused, but through her long
(11:22):
process of trying to figure things out, she realizes that
she actually likes Josh and has a crush on Josh
and the fact that her tricks won't work on Josh
because you know, he's a college boy very much older
than her. But anyway, moving on, But soon they find
out that feelings were reciprocated and Ty once again realizes
(11:44):
she has a thing for Travis and at the wedding
of mister Hall and Missguy, so we have a happy
ending with everybody with their respective coupling.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yes, and fighting over the bouquet.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Fighting over the bouquet, a little bit of flashing happens,
all those things, but Share wins.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
End of show.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Any tell me your thoughts on this movie?
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Oh? Okay, Well, I'm sure I'll have plenty of thoughts
in the themes. But I did really enjoy it. It
was quite It was not at all what I was expecting,
despite my vague prediction being kind of close. I was like, oh,
(12:37):
you know, it was it was funny, Like I thought
it was really funny. There were a lot of people
that showed up. I wasn't expecting that. I enjoyed. I
didn't know Donald I was gonna be in there. The
accents were fun. I couldn't quite pin it down, but
(12:58):
I really enjoyed them. And yeah, it was just kind
of a goofy. It was fun as the viewer because
you sort of know the punchline already. You get that
she's clueless already, so it was sort of fun to
hear her inner monologue and her trying to figure things
(13:18):
out when you're like, oh, I know. It also had
some moments that kind of I was not expecting. I
got like the being held up at gunpoint part freaked
me out. I was not expecting that at all. There
was just a couple of beats where I was like, okay, no,
I did not I did not know this was coming.
(13:42):
But no, I really I really enjoyed it. I thought
it was it was a fun It was a fun one, right.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
It's the fun I think it's really easy watching very
fun one. It sort of holds up in that, at
least with the stereotype. They know when they're ridiculous like it.
It's very overstated and obvious what they're doing, I will say.
So let's go into the themes of course friendship. Friendship.
(14:12):
You know, the nineties really had some good setups for
girls supporting girls, women supporting women, and I think this
is one of those that definitely did tie in. Dion's
friendship is very like honest and brutal, but like really
cute and sincere. Like you wouldn't expect it to be
as chummy as they are and supportive. You expect it
to be like Amber, you know, the character who comes
(14:34):
in as like the opposite to share and her foil
essentially in the back and forth they have and the
jealousy and all of that nonsense. But you also have
the girls caring for girls the whole, like helping tie
of course, it was like charitable work in their head
and it turned into oh no, she's really cool type
of conversation. So it's really cute on that level. The
(14:56):
late Brittany Murphy who played this character rip she did
it an amazing job. They talked about her coming in
an audition and being like on point, and both she
and Alicia Silverstone really kind of came up from this role,
like this was kind of their beginning and they kind
of shot out into the universe. Brittany had always had
that vocal talent, so they featured her singing at the
(15:17):
you know, super cute with her being like a little
bit clumsy, like adorable person that she is. So it
was it was a nice little back and forth with them,
and of course the iconic lines of as if yeah,
you know that's that stuck around. That stuck around for
a long while, as well as you know Brittany Murphy's
line your virgin who can't drive?
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Yeah, and then the reaction Alicia Stilversona had a response
to that. She's I was like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Girl, you hurt. She says, She's like, that was way harsh.
I love that they did say that the whole speech
when she talks about the Haitians, her mispronunciation, she didn't
know she was mispronouncing it, and like when people were
trying to correct it. The director he groling was like, no,
don't tell her, don't tell her. This is too cute.
(16:09):
We have to keep the sense no one tell her,
So like stuff like that. Super cute, but yes, the
whole friendship I really did like. And then they come
back together and like apologizing and realizing where they were
wrong and then like rebuilding that friendship into that. So
I thought it was really sweet on that level. And
(16:29):
then you have I've got charity work, Like essentially, there's
so much conversation about what rich people think would be
charity work, and it feels like this is on point
when she's helping to get all the donations for the
hurricane victims and all of that, and she's like among caviar,
of course, skis skis, but you know why, you do
(16:52):
what you can. And then her talking about her the
maid or the parts of the housekeeper and giving her her
the APLETs, and then you know the fact that she's
racist and called her Mexican and saying that I don't
speak Mexican. I'm like, e yeah, So we have that,
(17:13):
and it does kind of come to the fact that
like she's means well, but she's obviously very clueless in
her privilege.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Oh yes, yeah, And I mean that's kind of the
you know, the ultimateth thing with her and Dionne taking
on Tie as a kind of charity case. In the beginning,
and then at the end, towards the end, after they
tie and share have their big fight, she's like, what
monster have I created? And guess what tie ends up
(17:44):
with the person she wanted in the beginning that they
steered her away from, so kind of having this well
meaning but completely clueless understanding of how things act actually work,
and just the way because you do get to see, Oh,
this is another thing I really love about this movie.
(18:06):
A lot of teenage movies do this. We've talked about
this before. I love how it's like they start class
and then she'll go up and do her debate and
then class is over. It's got to be like a
five minute class. I love it. But every debate you
see her and she's like just clearly not connecting. She's like, oh,
(18:27):
at this garden party I had and people that NORSVP
and she doesn't quite get it. And that's the you know.
The interesting thing with her and Josh is that Josh
is allegedly totally the opposite, where he's like, you never
think about anybody but yourself, And there is sort of
(18:49):
an ailment too, of the kind of white guilt of
I want to make myself feel better, and she doesn't
quite understand that either, Like she's doing a lot of
this for her, not because she actually cares.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Right.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
She does kind of change towards the end when she
helps Miss Guist with the environmental effort, but it's still
sort of you know, she feels bad, so she.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Wants to her repertoive like I'm a good person, right,
and she does that a lot, to the point that he,
like Josh, does call that out. I'm like, I'm sure
this is serving you more than it is serving them,
is helping you more than it is helping them. So like,
you know, all of that is like very true, but
(19:37):
in her mind that's okay, it could be both. Uh.
And then we got the theme of love. Right, So
Misgeist and mister Hall getting together. That's a super cute
bit awkward bit, But the fact that their bad moods
could be resolved by love such a romantic trope. That
idea that like, yes, if they're in a good mood,
then if they find love, that's all they need to
(19:58):
solve all of the problems. Everybody's problems obviously, I mean
not gonna be wrong. When you're excited about a new relationship,
it does help and it does make you feel better,
and it does people can see that as well. But
I thought I was interesting. Yeah. So when I was
realizing I'm not gonna lie, I was thinking about this
(20:19):
movie before I watched it and thinking about, you know,
what will we talk about in it? And I remembered
the age gap and I was like, wait, is she
a senior? Oh, she's not a senior's sixteen? She's sixteen.
She's sixteen this day was in college or at least,
like the very least he's eighteen, but they're talking about
him being in law school, so he's probably at least twenty.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
They never say his age appropriately, so but I'm like, oh, no, oh, no, no,
why why would we be so happy with this?
Speaker 1 (20:55):
It's funny because I was looking up there was an
actor that I was like, I want to know who
this is, looking it up on IMDb, and the first
like Google results of you know what people search the
most was what is the age?
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Did you get the result of that? That?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Okay, I didn't click on it, but yeah, yeah, And
it is kind of funny because we didn't talk about
this before, but Chaer doesn't is at first very against
dating high school boys. As mentioned, is a virgin and
it is really happy with that, which I kind of appreciated,
(21:33):
but then she sort of gets the taste for it
after she meets this gay guy. Unfortunately, I mean unfortunately
that's that was not going to work out. But yeah,
but she I couldn't tell if it was supposed to
be sort of a play on that because she didn't
end up with a high school boy. She ended up
with a college boy, right. And I remember this for
(21:57):
my time in high school. I don't know if you're
school was like this, but at prom, if you had
somebody was coming from another school or who was older
than a certain age, you had to get a slip
filled out like it was a whole deal, and it
was kind of like very gossip worthy of she's got
a college boy or something like that.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I just remember when people would talk about it, it would
be a scandal, because what college boy wants to come
back for a prom, Like if it was kind of
seen as shameful or a college person, not just a boy,
college person to come back to high school, which is
still like a year or two difference typically, so it
was like still looked out. I'm like, you couldn't find
anything better to do.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Well our proms, I'm sure you probably would agree with me,
but small town problems were not.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
It was definitely in the cafeteria.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yeah, our was in the.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
I was in the cafeteria, but like we all went
to Atlanta to eat and then came back yes to
I think we went to the hard Rock Cafe.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
I went to Ruby Tuesday one time.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Yeah, that's Owinner Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
So the first prom, I can't remember where we went.
Then we went to a steakhouse in Canton. If you're
from Georgia, North Georgia, you know. And I had invited
a friend that had moved before we went to prom,
and I wasn't dating, but I didn't date anybody in
high school. So he came with us and he was
acting like by date and it freaked me out. I'm like, no, bro,
(23:44):
we're just I just wanted you to be with us
and I'm the only one that's single. So but like
he would hug me and I was like, no, we're
not dating, We're not dating. And then the second prom drama,
the guy who wanted to take me had just broken
up with my friend, and so I'm very like good
uh like good friends I would never, so I said no.
(24:07):
We said no, and he was like, I can take
you and her, and I'm like, that's super weird. I'm
not doing that. And then I had another guy who
was just a good guy friend who was supposed to
go with me, but his best friend tricked him into
asking another girl because they were wanting to go with pears.
Like her best friend was like, not going to go
unless she had a date, and he was like he
had apologized to me later because I was like, I
(24:28):
thought we were gonna go together. So I went by
myself with a crew of all my friends that had
all of their dates. They went on a carriage ride
and I stayed.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
In the car. Goodness, wow, I mean that you could
have had a movie.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
So that was my prom experience. But I think all
of the dates, like we had at least two of
our friends who brought So that guy that I was
talking about, he was a year older, but like he
didn't go to college anywhere he lived in town. I
don't think he technically graduated high school. I think he
got a ged, which is not a problem, but like
(25:12):
he had never gone to a problem before, so of
course we want him to come. But yeah, we've never
had to do a slip, never had someone from college
come back. Well, I'm sure we have. That's not true.
But again it was one of those like side eye,
why are you here? M conversations, because like, why would
you come back to go to a prom in a
(25:35):
cafeteria where the main song was she thinks my tractor
are sexy? You think and I'm not? That was the
main song for our prom? Wow?
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Wow wow wow wow. That's interesting. I mean, I feel
like we had this similar There was a similar vibe,
but there was also a vibe of like, I don't know, mystery,
how did you get this college person to come?
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Yeah? Yeah, for the person, yes, for the college person. No,
but yeah seeing this person like Paul Rudd's character who
getting lawsuited, thoroughly confused.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Yeah. And the funny thing is, you know, this movie
is rife with I would say, magical movie makeovers. The
funny thing is, as I said, when I first started,
I was like, oh my god, I'm so wrong about
this prediction. WHOA. But then there's the scene where Cher's
walking down the stairs in her white dress to go
(26:38):
on to what she thinks is a date with Christian
and Paul Rudd looks at her and he's like, you're
not gonna let her go out like that to her dad,
and I was like, oh my god, I might actually right.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
And you were and you were. There's so many things
to that. That's like, first of all, why are they drinking?
The nineties did not care? No, I guess they don't
care now either, to be honest, like they have to
be cool all of those things, talking about espressos and
all these things, and no one really caring enough. The
(27:15):
fact that she's driving about with no license made me laugh.
I was like, wait, why are they okay with this?
Were we just really strict and ridiculous or is this
a trope that like they we did me being that
age of what a she was, I was like, man,
(27:37):
I wish I was like her. I wish I was
cool like her. I wish I could do the outfits
and the closets and the shoes and all these things.
So she was actually Alicia Silverstone was actually eighteen, so
she wasn't too far in age when she filmed this,
So all of those things just like wow, like looking back,
(28:00):
what she looked like versus what I looked like? Two
different two different places in life, two different places in life.
But with that, I know you you had to have
been loving the technology, the computer, the media. When she
is basing her day on the outfit that she's going
(28:21):
to wear. Yes, that was an actual program if I
remember correctly, like they created one I think after the fact.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Okay, so listeners, look, you gotta look this up. But
basically it very near the opening of the movie uh
Share is on an old computer. Oh and she has
like a graphic for the top and the bottom of
(28:53):
an outfit and at the along the bottom of the
screen you can see things like jacket and pan and
all this, and she's just putting together these outfits and
it'll say like mismatch until she finally is like fall
fashion and she gets a match and that's what she wears.
But yes, I was. I was stunned and very happy
(29:16):
to witness this.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
This is like the upgraded paper dolls essentially when you
mix like different clothes. But I remember, yeah, they I
think I want to say Vogue did something like where
they created this for you. So if you can download
a program with AOL like, no, none of these are
just like Swanson, but you can create your own profile
(29:40):
and try these iconic outfits. I think if I remember correctly,
I could be wrong. Listeners, I know you know what
I'm talking about, So come back and tell me some
of you in my generation, because I'm pretty sure this
was something that came out after because people were so
excited by it, like they like, we would love this.
Although I did not have outfits like that a B.
(30:01):
I didn't have a lot of outfits, so it didn't
take that much effort to put together one. Uh. This
was my era of like I would wear jeans, a
T shirt and a flannel shirt. That was my go to,
like to the point that I remember people would draw
me that would be the outfit every time. Hey, it
(30:25):
still holds up along with my cardigans along. I've just
switched it up for cardigans and hoodies. But yeah, but
it was quite funny to see that iconic fashion that again,
that her opening outfit, the yellow plaid suit, small tweet
jacket and such. That's iconic. People know that that's the outfit.
(30:49):
People mimic.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Yeah, that's what I knew.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
An O to this show, the hat that Dion wears,
I remember that being a thing as well.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
I think like this was the era of the Jeep,
the California kids, California girls and the Jeeps and the
California Boys and the jeep with the the top down
which flips very easily and kills a lot of people.
But you know, he's okay, you do you just drive carefully.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
I did laugh when they got on the freeway and
it was such a dramatic scene They're all scream because
I know that's kind of an LA inside joke, but
it was just very funny.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
But also like, I've been in traffic in LA and
with the drivers that we've been with terrifying.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Oh yeah, terrifying.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
And I say, this is an Atlanta driver who was
pretty aggressive in Atlanta. LA traffic is a whole different conversation.
And the way they weave in and out. I knew
we were going to die, but he cut that. He
cut the time down ten minutes somehow. The adventure we had,
(32:00):
the last adventure we had in LA, they took us
the back roads and like we're gonna get murdered.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
I was like, wow, where are we going?
Speaker 2 (32:08):
But he was he was just as confused as like,
I don't know where we're going. I've never been this
way and I'm like, sir, sir, please don't tell us
this surprise things.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
But yes I did.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Then the cell phones, the constant communicate.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
They were in school just on their cell phones, in
class on their cell phones.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
It was the beginning too, like nineteen ninety five, So
I'm really surprised. It wasn't the giant phones, but it
was the ones with the antenna all the way up
that you had to slam down. It was not a smartphone,
not a smartphone, no, no pictures could be taken. But
I do remember that I didn't have a cell phone
(32:52):
until I was out of for college, and that had
an antenna. I love that phone, man, I love that phone.
A good reception. That was before like all of the
yeah awful things happen. But with that the cell phone.
Did they have a pager? Yeah, they at the very beginning,
(33:14):
at the very beginning, because he was paging her the
entire time.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Dion's boyfriend, Murray was paging.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Murray Donald Donald face on, which is hysterical because they
do go back and forth and you do have a
moment of like Dawson's Creek monologue or like a dialogue
in which he sounds really adult and tie comes in
and she's like, wow, y'all talk like adults. And then
they simpled it down, like kind of dumb it down
with Yeah, the school is really good. It's a really
(33:44):
good school.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
I love like.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
I felt like that was an ode to that as well.
But yeah, that is the classic clueless and we did
it in the thirtieth year. I'm sure we'll hear more
about it. I feel like they talk more about it
and like do July because that was the last article
was like the twenty fifth anniversary. I think twenty with
the anniversary is a bigger deal than the thirtieth, but
(34:09):
who knows. There was nothing surprising. There was nothing that
I didn't remember from that movie. So I was like, okay,
so I've seen this enough. Yeah. I was surprised about
how young Paul would look because he still looks so young.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Yeah, I had that thought too. I had that thought too.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
I was thinking about like all the women in the cast,
and then I was like, but Paul read nothing against him,
but he's the one that's like, you know, still really
active for various reasons. But I was like, yeah, I
mean he's still still looks like that. Essentially, they do
(34:59):
have a lot of talk abo about that in here.
A lot of jokes about like, you know, getting liposection
or getting cosmetic surgery of some kind, and a lot
of weight jokes, which was just very common in the nineties.
But they were done, like you said, pretty like tongue
in cheek, right, But yeah, they're.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
There, Like there was shaming, but you're not your typical
It wasn't very like one sided. Was there absolute like
obvious indications. Yes, it's the nineties, of course, but like
it's not as horrific as some movies really.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Go oh yeah, No, A lot of it did feel
very very like we know what we're doing here, right.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Right, So there you go, Annie, Thank you for going
down this memoried lane your first time with me.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
It was fun. I had no idea what was going
to have, but I didn't know what I was in for.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
That's so crazy to me.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
And I had a good time. I had a good time.
So I can recommend Okay listeners if you have any
thoughts about this or any recommendations. I know a lot
of people go as clueless for like Halloween or something,
So if you have any images you would like to share,
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