Feminist Movie Friday: Inside Out 2

The 2024 animated film Inside Out 2 tackled topics of puberty, anxiety and mental health. From SMNTY headquarters, Anney and Samantha unbox their emotions about friendships, changes, and the benefits of emotional balance.

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, this is Anny A. Smitha and welcome to steff
When Never Told You production of iHeart Radio.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
We are jumping into our monthly feminist movie Friday. I
think this Man should have been a spoiler Saturday as
it was only released in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Really, so yeah, no.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
We're a little or filings like so long ago when
I first saw this.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Look, I think the original in that we're talking about.
So here's your warning.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
We're going to start talking about the movie, and we're
going through the themes of inside Out too, and the
looks of adolescents and teenage mental health and mental health overall.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
But yeah, this was released in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
I think the first one was released like twenty fifteen,
so there's a giant Yeah, let me double check before
I tell you all that in my lie.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Yeah, okay, so I am right.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
So it took up to almost ten years for them
to come out with the second one, and I kind
of maybe that's why I forgot the first one a
little bit, because we're not going to talk about Inside Out.
The first one, which does follow the same young lady,
young person Riley when they move, when she moves, and
there's a lot of sadness and fields.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
I remember being really sad.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
I saw that in theaters by myself. Oh no, and
let me tell you, every adult in the house was
crying and all the kids were just like, this is
so fun, but every adult.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
The underlying theme of like most animations, I think, is
kids not really understanding, although I feel like some kids
do understand, because I still have feels of certain movies.
I'm like, why would they do this to me? Right,
but it's not as outright nowadays.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
I feel like so.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Today, like we're like, oh no, this is for adults
and we're all dying. Like the Robot movie, everybody like
crying what.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
I'm talking about?

Speaker 2 (02:04):
No, no, no, Well Wally is one of those no, no, no,
I'm talking about, Like it's not mister Robot, my robot
or something Robot, I Robot. There you go, people talking
about how they broke down, growl men talking about them
breaking down.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
Huh.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
There's a lot of feels. So this is probably another
reason I don't like animation, because I'm like, they get
too deep somehow. What should be a children's thing.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Well they have it down to a formula. I have
to tell you.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
Yeah, yeah, I did hear that? Tell me that formula
though I forgot.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Oh well, the formula is basically, you have about an
hour and thirty minutes generally to capture child's attention. And
so they are just very specific beats that happen. Usually
there's something dramatic or sad that happens in the beginning,
and then there's some like the before the resolution, there's

(02:56):
some kind of real upsetting traumatic said, and this is
probably where you're gonna cry. The third that part is
at the moment, yeah, before the resolution. But it is
a specific formula because they know how much time they
have a lotted.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
So just a fun fact in this.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Of course, we're talking about this because it is a
Disability of Pride month, and we're talking a little more
about the invisible disabilities or mental health disabilities such as
diagnosis of anxiety, depression and all those things that you
can necessarily see just from looking on the outside. And
then we're talking about puberty, which can help exacerbate any

(03:38):
of these things or maybe even push forward some of
these things that may not have risen previously. And as
in fact, this month we are also going to be
talking about perimenopause and menopause, mentioning a little bit about
periods and how that can be a big component in
some of the comobilities that are really dangerous, like it

(04:00):
comes to a dangerous point because of the way it's
exacerbated by hormones. With that in mind, yes, we are
talking about mental health, including anxiety, puberty, and a brief
mention of sexual abuse molestation. We're not going dee deep
into it, but we are going to mention it. There's
your content warning if this is too much, because sometimes
for me, just talking about it causes my heart to

(04:22):
raise a little more.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
I have to ask, did the depiction of anxiety in
this get to you?

Speaker 2 (04:27):
I had a moment where I kind of had to
look away. There was a couple of days because you
also know my embarrassments, the.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Fact that I.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
Was not okay, Yeah, that was rough. I was like,
oh no, oh, I can't, I can't, I can't.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
So there was a few things that I had to have,
like a moment to step by and I'm like, I
won't watch this again probably, but I understand that this
can be a good tool, especially for parents navigating these things.
But excite note here before we start, because we're going
to jump into the plot really quick. This Pixar movie
mark the first time they had it scored by a woman,

(05:06):
Andrea Dutsman, so like she was the first to do
the op Pixar, which is ridiculous. I've been meaning to
do this episode for a while. We need to talk
about women and scoring really, Okay, Yeah, because it has
taken a long time in the music world, I feel
like we should probably talk about composers and like all

(05:27):
those levels of professional Like we don't really talk about
it any music stuff outside of like specific artists, so
we should definitely delve into that.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
Hey, that's on your list. Any Okay, it's fantastic.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
This is the first production that has featured a score
by a woman, so that is great. I can't believe
it took to twenty twenty four, but you know, celebrate
where we can.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
Yes, moving on, but yes.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
This movie was released in twenty twenty four and has
the amazing Amy Poehler back as Joy, Tony Hill as Fear,
Lewis Blue as Anger, Phyllis Smith as sadness E, Liza
Lapira as Discussed, which was previously voiced by Mindy Kayling.
I'm not sure it must be a conflict or whatever,
but has now been replaced, and all of them except
for Tony Hill and Liza de Para were from the

(06:16):
original Inside Out. I think, Andy, you just told me
that Bill Hayter was FIAR originally and now taking over.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
By Tony Hill again. It's been a long time.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
It's been a long time since I've seen this, but
this time it includes Anxiety voiced by Maya Hawk, Envy
by aoadbris On, we By voice by Adele Exacha Polos,
and Paul walter Hauser as Embarrassment, who only has a
small amount speaking line because it's a lot of yes,
I did love hims. I did love hims. So let's

(06:49):
get into the plot. So we see Riley again, this
time voiced by Kensington Talman, and she is now a teenager.
She has grown up to be a wonderful young girl
with friends Grace and Brie, and all three of them
are on the hockey team and very good.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
By the way, Together they.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Are an amazing force and able to win the hockey
championship game. There they meet the high school hockey coach
who invites them to a summer hockey camp, a three
day camp by the way. During this time, we see
that Riley gets a penalty for tripping and it is
put into a penalty box. And that's one of those
memories that kind of like haunts her, I would say,
And that's one of the memories that Joy takes and

(07:25):
puts to the back.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
We'll get to that in a minute.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
So as she is getting ready for this hockey camp,
we see that puberty is about to hit Joy, who
has been at the helm of working the emotional board
and helping Riley throughout her life. We find out that
Joy has been helping Riley compartmentalize her thoughts and memories,
especially the ones that are sad, embarrassing, or something that
could be upsetting, which she shoots into the back of

(07:47):
the mind saying keep the best, toss the rest, use
the amy polar voice.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
I do not have it.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
She and the crew have been working well together, are
keeping Riley in a good spot, even building up persons
of self, which is center around Riley being a quote
good person, so we'll hear her say I'm a good person.
We have a really cute scene between Sadness and Joy
where they hold hands together to travel to that river.
Is it's a river which it contains a lot of

(08:14):
the memories that helped build her who she is. But
the alarm bells ring and we find out purbity has
hit and every emotion is take it up a notch
and exaggerate it, so whenever they hit them an emotion,
oh my gosh, it's times ten.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
And then some we didn see.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Some new emotions come through, anxiety, embarrassment, envy, and on
weik which, by the way, I had to figure out
how to say, I'm we I was gonna have you
clip in, but I figured it out any which, by
the way, is quote a feeling of utter weariness and
discontent resulting in boredom or a lack of interest. Thank
you Dictionary dot Com, because I definitely had to figure
that out too. As they try to navigate the new emotions,

(08:53):
we see quickly that anxiety has come to take over
and things start to escalate as we all find out
with Riley that her two best friends, Grace and Brie,
will not be attending the same high school as rally Oo,
causing for a lot of emotions. As they arrive to
the camp, Riley meets Val, one of the best hockey
players on the high school team. There, she struggles in

(09:15):
trying to impress her, which is the embarrassing thing which
I really was cringing hard. It hurts, It hurts, and
whether she would stay with her friends throughout the camp
or try to be cool with the high schoolers from.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
Her new school that she'll be attending.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
So she knows that she's going to be alone, so
she's trying to figure out how to make friends essentially. Also,
we see that anxiety has a way of seeing possible
outcomes of different scenarios, which all seem to be leading
down a shaky path.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
They're not good.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Most of the scenarios are not good. Just why I
Soon we see that anxiety no longer believes that Joy
can handle it and takes her and the other original emotions,
jar them up, and puts them away in the vault
of secrets and shame that includes past children's shows, video
game characters, and a deep dark secret which is a monster.
Apparently he's like, I don't want to talk about it literally,

(10:04):
And by the way, the children's show is like a
t move version of Blues Clues.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yes, and the video game character that's the video game yeah,
like Soul caliber level.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
I forgot about that about you?

Speaker 2 (10:18):
I thought about you like that went to that she
kind of does has like I loved him and then
realized he wasn't great type of thing.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yes, but I forgot he was in there, and I
was very happy.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
To have that come back power move was fantastic. Them
actually playing the game made me laugh a lot.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
I had a character like that. I chose that. I
was like, not very good, but I was like, he's.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
Cute so much, He's so mind I love him forever
all right.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Soon they're able to get free thanks to the help
of those shameful things. They're able to get free and
try to go back to rescue Riley's emotions, which has
turned kind of mean and dark. Anxiety has taken Riley's
sense of self in this current were, replacing them to
a nuisance of self. She's like, we got to make
our new a different self. We find out that the
anxiety is trying to get Riley to think about her
future without her friends and what she needs to do

(11:09):
to be cool with her new friends, changing her mantra
from I'm a good person to I'm not good enough,
causing Riley to make some questionable decisions, including using sarcasm,
which I really enjoyed staying up all night practicing and
even breaking into the coach's office to read the infamous
Red Book, which states that she is not ready, which
does not.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
Help that at all. Never read the books.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
All the while, Joy and the rest of the emotions
are trying to retrieve Riley's old sense of self. To
help her, Joy revisits some of the old memories that
she tried to push back, and sideplot, we have Sadness
going back to the station to help bring back Joy
and the other emotions back to take control of Riley's
mind and emotions.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
So Sadness is doing their own thing. She kind of
has a connection with embarrassment.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yes, and did you know I did not put this
together until my rewatch is called headquarters?

Speaker 3 (11:59):
Oh, sinner heads in her head headquarters.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
So good, all right, Well, well now I'll go back
to saying headquarters, and I'll go back now I'll start
saying headquarters. As anxiety keeps going, it begins to spiral,
causing chaos in the headquarters. We also see the workstation
of the imagination team working with the worst case scenario
for anxiety, which Joy is able to stop and bring

(12:23):
back the imagination as it was supposed to be talking about.
There was a horse, so there was a cat in there,
a cute kit like this. It's the nice things, giving
a little bit of calm because Riley was wrecked with
all these anxiety dreams essentially keeping her awake scenarios.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
We've all been there, Yes, we've all been there.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Soon we have Joy and the other emotions able to
come back with the help of sadness, embarrassment, and the pouch,
the TMU version of the backpack.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
Yeah, so the blues clues back back. The pouch is
the equivalent, and for.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Some reason he has dynamite tons and tons yes anyway,
So with that.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
They do get back and again.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Embarrassment and sadness also helped, but it seems like it
might be too late, as anxiety is causing an anxiety
attack in Riley, who who has been playing so intensely
in hockey matches to impress her coach that she hurts
her own friend and is put into the penalty box.
But soon Joy is able to stop anxiety by telling her,
you know, we need to let her go, but not

(13:29):
the anxiety attack that keeps going. She realizes that she
has also been hurting Riley's growth with her suppressing all
the bad memories, so she allows all the memories to
grow together to help Rilly's new sense of self. And
with that, Riley is able to reconcile with her friends
who came to check on her because they realized what
was happening, and make new friends as well at her

(13:49):
new school. And I was really glad that it wasn't
a bullying situation. I was kind of concerned, but it wasn't,
and it made me happy about that. With her new
friends comforting her saying even if she didn't make the
hockey team this year, she would be there next year
and everything would be okay. And she agreed and understood
that concept. The ending, we watch all the emotions working
in harmony together and we see Riley get a new

(14:12):
message on her phone that makes her smile.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
I'm gonna say, maybe she did make the team. We
don't know. End of story.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Something that I didn't mention here is we also get
to see the mother as she is confronting Riley with
our paberty and her headquarters coming popping up and talking
about all the things.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
They like, We've prepared for this, we can handle this,
I thought, it was super cute.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
We do get to see intil a lot of other
people's headquarters because you also see into Grayson breeze.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
Oh yeah, they do when they're like, she knows, she knows,
we're hiding something, yes.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
Because they were afraid to tell Riley that they were
going to a different school, and then you see her
Dad's what you also did see in the in the
first one, which it was kind of interesting because he
was like, oh my god, it's happening, and there are
all the other turn on the sports game.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
It is. Uh, there's a lot to pick through, and
we are going to have a big conversation about all
of the themes, at least like in some of these themes,
like the mental health level as well. We are going
to be using some articles that I'm going to try
to put all of them out so you know what
we're talking about, because there's some like real big conversations
in adolescents and teenagers and their growth when it comes

(15:29):
to mental health and understanding their own mental health.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
It also talks about our.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Own way of handling things and what we see as
good or bad, and I think that's a great conversation
with that We're going to start with the theme of
childhood friends, because this one hit me hard. Any I

(15:53):
think I've talked about this before, like what happens when
they move away? When when the scenario so for her,
Riley was so excited they're going to high school together
and at least they'll be a front and be able
to do this team and go together as a team
and maybe doing these things. And then she finds out,
which I was a little mad at the friends that

(16:14):
they waited to tell her and the two of them
knew versus her, Like that's felt hurtful just as an outsider.
But the fact that they're not going to be at
a school with her, so essentially they're moving away because
she won't be able to see them every day, things
are going to change, They're going to be rivals.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
So what happens, Well, yeah, and I do think them
telling her right before they got to the camp was
not a great situation to find that out in. But
also if I had been in that situation, unfair or not,
I would have been hurt that they would have gotten

(16:51):
to be together, right, but I would be alone. So
at least the two of them had each other. But
I'm being thrown into a situation where it's just me.
And it's interesting because a lot of times I watch
these movies and I think, how deep am I going here?

(17:11):
But yeah, from the first one, she also moved, yeah
and lost a friend, like she had hard time keeping
up with a friend. And so I think that for Riley,
she was seeing this playing out again, like she'd made
new friends, she'd found her place, and then things were

(17:33):
once again changing and she anxiety comes in and tells her,
you know what you gotta do. You got to make
new friends again. Like it's a like I don't want
to say trauma response, maybe that's too much, but like
she's seen this before.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Right right, No, So like personally, as an adolescent, I
a lot of my friends moved away. First of all,
I was pulled out from a country and placed into
a new country that had no idea what was about,
didn't the language, so everything was different, everything was new.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
If the abandonment had a picture of.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Something of me as a child, because that's what I knew,
like all the things between being placed in the orphanage,
between being yanked into another place, trying to figure out
what was happening, trying to just survive and then having.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
Those friends, and then those friends move away.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
So literally, like my best friend moved away in second grade,
made a new best friend fourth grade, moved away, made
a new best friend fifth grade. She was placed in
foster care because she was in an abuse of the situation,
which that was a whole different conversation because we were
we had so much in common, is why we were
best friends.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
And then she left and I was like, well.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
So there was there was so much to that, but
like it felt like a death every time to me,
I felt like I was mourning a friendship every time,
and even sticks with me obviously till to this day,
because it was something that I just people just left.
People I trusted left and of course it was not
their fault. Their parents moved and had to take them
with them, and we were still children, but as children,

(19:00):
it was really impactful. It said a lot because it
changed my whole social circle system, Like what was something
that I had trusted and like put my faith in,
essentially because for even until I think maybe even n
till to day, my found family, even though I had

(19:22):
a new family, I did not trust that family in
comparison to my found family. That people I could choose
and to really rely on and like even if I lied,
even if I did something ridiculous, they were able to
be there for me, you know. And so having them
ripped away and starting over felt like a loss of death,
especially for a young person not understanding what was happening.

(19:44):
So when this happens, it felt like a betrayal, especially
again the fact that it was both of them together.
She was the one being left out, essentially left behind,
and that's really really scary. So yeah, I think that
in it with the fact that it's abandonment and fair
kick in, that's exactly what happened. She knew that she

(20:05):
was going to be alone, and the anxieties one thing
constantly is like, we have to make sure she's not alone.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yeah, and we have to look at the future. We
have to prepare for every future whatever could go wrong.
Here is Val, here's someone you look up to prepare
for the future. And you have to leave your your friends,
Grace and Breede behind, right because they are not going
to be in your life anymore. That's what anxiety is
telling you.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
You're literally like this done.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
So.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
This is from the Conversation dot Com in their article
about the inside out too, and all the looks into
the mental health aspect and they write a big driver
to Riley's anxiety is a fear that she could have
no friends in high school.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
This is a reasonable thing to worry about.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Peer relationships become increasingly important in adolescents and teenage experience.
The friendships are linked to our well being, and that's
exactly correct. I don't think unfortunately my parents who are
trying to navigate my unusualness to begin with, because they
just didn't understand the types of drama that I had
gone through such. Also they didn't understand about things like
reactive attachment disorder and such. But with that, like it is,

(21:11):
it develops who you are and especially how you handle
things later in life. Like this is kind of that
core of like, the people you hang with really bring
out something in you, and whether it's good or bad.
We've seen this in different aspects. It could be tragic,
or it could be amazing, and or it could just
be a life lesson. And the constant overturning of friends

(21:31):
is pretty traumatic.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
It is because there are people you go to who
are your age, who are in theory experiencing something similar
to you. Yeah, because you're going to school together. We
talked about this in our friendship episodes about why friendships
seem to drift apart with college because you're no longer

(21:55):
kind of every day seeing each other having many similar experiences.
But in that time time when you're all going through
these things that you might understand and might not feel
comfortable talking to other people about, your friends are really
important in that right and having that person or people
who you can go to and have these honest conversations

(22:19):
with and have them reciprocate. Yeah, when you lose that's
that's huge.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
That's traumatic.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
So that was obviously a big theme in there, and
are trying to navigate that loss essentially. But then you
have on top of that puberty, like literally coming into
all of these emotions, understanding your body, trying to figure
out what's going on, the hyperactiveness of like what is
happening within your body, whether it's your thoughts racing, whether
it's your body hurting, like I was in pain.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
I was in pain. So this is from the psychiatry
podcast dot Com.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
They write one of the central themes of inside Out
Too is the emotional upheople that accompanies at a lessons
as Riley transitions from childhood to our teenage years, we
witnessed the introduction of new emotions anxiety in the embarrassment
and on we we reflect the increasingly complex emotional landscape
teens must navigate. The emotional expansion is chaotic but essential
to the development of internal adolescens. Yeah, and it kind

(23:18):
of grows into that level of like everything is happening.
I will say, I feel like my anxiety helped before puberty,
but sure was definitely exacerbated by puberty as well as
like in ving embarrassment. Embarrassment haunted me as a child.
I remember as a second grader, this first grader. I

(23:39):
just this memory will haunt me forever. Is that I
had been at a football game, me being my cocky self,
like trying to hang out with kids. A teenager obviously
a high schooler had been there and she had talked
to me previously and was really nice to me, and
I was like okay, and I found her again.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
I was like, hey, how are you?

Speaker 2 (23:58):
And I did like this second grader and she's like, uh,
what do you want? And it was so embarrassing, like
because she was so mean to me. After the Yeah,
I was like, oh no, and I ran away. That
has haunted me, that interaction, and that was from the
first or second grade.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
That's fair, that's fair. I agree with you. I also
suffered much embarrassment earlier than this. I think with the point.
I think that in the context of the movie, they're
trying to say, once you sort of get to that
adolescent period, like joy feels you shouldn't experience joy.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
Okay, everything's a little embarrassed.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Yeah I'm not because I think you're correct, but I
think in the context of the movie, yeah, they're trying
to say, when you get to this period, it's not
cool to be happy, it's cool to be bored. Oh yes,
but you're also so embarrassed by what your body is
doing and you feel really awkward.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
Okay, awkward may be the better word.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Like if you're feeling like everything's a little awkward, your
parents are especially embarrassing. Once upon a time they were
the best thing and then hung alone. Okay, Okay, I
get you, because I'm like, look, I remember my embarrassing situations.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
Maybe that's just me.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
Another article from that psychiatry podcast, I say adolescent is
all about the evolution of identity, the new emotions, anxiety,
and the embarrassments are particularly powerful because they represent a
teenagers increasing awareness of how they're perceived by others, and
that maybe be the like joyfully being able to play
and not care about what other kids thought and wanting

(25:44):
to be like the other kids again. And I remember,
like in first grade, though I loved pickles and my
friends didn't.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
My mom brought me pickles. It's like, I don't like that.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
Try to pretend like I didn't like it, yeah, because
of my friends didn't, and my mom was like what okay?
And I was like so embarrassed trying to be cool.
Maybe I was just real ridiculous as a kid, but yeah,
like in the in general, like being perceived well by others,
like her not want to correct val when she said

(26:15):
you're from.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
Is that Michigan?

Speaker 1 (26:17):
She says Michigan.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah, well she's actually from Minnesota. And so her not
correcting her and potential again and then someone asked them more,
She's like, oh god, I gotta lie.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
Was the answer? Was the answer?

Speaker 1 (26:28):
She said? What does she say? All over?

Speaker 3 (26:30):
All over? And you're like and they accepted it. That
was my favorite.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
They're like, okay, cool, cool, I will say as she
navigates this. By the end of the movie, she has
finally corrected them and they call her Michigan now instead
of Minnesota. I mean they call it Minnesota now instead
of Michigan. So I was like, Okay, she got that
figured out. But it is kind of funny like that level, like.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
How do we react, how are we what is cool?
And what is it cool?

Speaker 2 (26:54):
Which I just recently had a situation. We went to
a friend of our friend of the show, Holly's party,
and boy did I not do it right.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
I didn't get that vibe, but I understand feeling that vibe,
so I'm not gonna take that away from you. I
also was like, let me just look at these Star
Wars toys over here.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
The way we were trying to figure this out did
not go well.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
This way.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
This is why it don't come out and me strangers.
So that was I honestly say, more me than anybody else.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
But it's fine.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
But with that, of course, we also have the Wrecking
Ball scene, which was kind of funny and perfect because
as they're trying to change and update the machine update headquarters, which.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
Joy does not like. She was like, what are y'all doing?

Speaker 2 (27:38):
What are y'all doing leave my buttons be then comes
the wrecking ball to come and like do all these
new replacements, And I feel like that's pretty much this,
like that swift emotional change that feels like comes into puberty.
Let's be honest, it also feels like it hits you,
especially like when I was going through the full level
of a period, the random I'm like, oh, this happened,

(28:01):
whether it's a headache, whether it was like a mood,
or whether it was like oh that made or when wow,
I thought so anxious and this is what I was like.
I do remember being so specially anxious during those PMS
times and being frightened by how bad things were and
then having to remind myself, Oh, like the minute like

(28:23):
the period was started, I'd be like, oh that's oh,
that's what that is. Like. It does feel like a
damn breaking ball. It feels like it's just completely taking
over your world.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
Yeah, And I don't think we talked about it en
not before. We've discussed this on the show before, but
I legitimately thought you only had one period and I
would send your life. Yeah, So I was on set.
If I can get through this, one'd be nice. And
and when you're coming back to the idea of friendship

(28:56):
and how important it is. I had had my period
first before any of my friends. They all call me
when they got it, and I'm giving this terrible advice
because I what why, I know, but I'm like, well,
in the showers sometimes it is it feels okay, you're
gonna see some blood, but it's okay. Like it was

(29:19):
just having those friends that you can talk to about
these things because we don't talk about it sidely. But yeah,
no adolescents. In my experience and in many of my
friends experience, it did come in like a wrecking ball.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
It did. Yeah, I did not get a celebration that
some of the girls do.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Yeah about that before? Yeah, No, I didn't get that either.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
I'm interested if ane listeners. Did y'all get a celebration
for your period? First period? Like I remember the Cosby show.
That's the one that I remember the most. I think
it's I can't remember which.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
Character is it.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Lisa who gets her period and her mom who's a
lawyer but her dad's a doctor, we know, and she
gets her period and so her mom wants to celebrate
with her, take her out for shopping and whatever, and
be like, because you're turning into a woman, which is
a whole different context of misinformation that we need to
have a conversation about because that's sexualizing young woman way

(30:22):
too early.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
But she does.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
She comes in and talks about how she looks like
she's got hips, you know, voting with her friends about that,
and then like then like having that moment and then
her mom having to correct her, be like you need
to watch out for your attitude type of thing. But
again that celebration, right, is what I remember from The
Cosby Show. The Cosby Show lied to us.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
Yeah, like you have fear it's gonna everyone will know. Yeah,
stay in my clothes. Yeah hurts.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
Staying your clothes.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
But this is from another Actually we have a little
bit of from doctor Lisa da Moore, who was the
advisor for the show.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
I mean she is a psychologist.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Actually has her own podcast called Ask Lisa and it's
doctor Lisa Damore dot com.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
We should have her on the show one damy, we
have a crossover. Who knows, But she was.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
One of the people who was an advisor for the show,
talking about different mental health stuff for adolescents and teenagers
and This is one.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
Of the things that she says in the podcast.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
We talked about anxiety and its healthy and unhealthy forms,
and I think this is something that the movie gets
so right. That is a typical and expectable emotion that
was very valuable actually protective qualities for us, but it
could also tip over into being disruptive and unhelpful. We
talked about professionalism and its management. That was something that
one of the conversations that really stick with me, and
it's fun to see how it played out in the film.

(31:47):
When we talked about just the destabilization that comes with
becoming a teenager. So in general, she's talking about anxiety
about whether it can be good and bad and that
there is a tipping point, but she's talking about the
fact that it is a destabilization that comes with becoming
a teenager, the shaking, the changes where things feel like
it can matter in different ways, what it becomes, and

(32:08):
again like not to take it down the dark road,
but over sexualizing young girls due to things like this
and this type of process and what that does for
young teenagers trying to just come into themselves. I will
say inside out. I think didn't obviously approach puberty as
a physiological thing as much as like the emotional and

(32:29):
psychological part of it, which was interesting, which is a
different take in itself.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
It is a Pixar movie, so it's hard to explain periods.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
I think the only thing they did was that she smelled.
She had like her armpits you need to do the overnight.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
She had huge emotions and just a really bad smell,
which was an interesting take. And again the mom was
the one that recognized what was happening. I wouldn't have
minded seen a little more, like, at least a conversation
because sometimes, as we talked about, parents aren't the ones
that tell us television and friends are. And it could

(33:07):
have been an interesting moment. I don't know how they
would navigate it, but to address some of those things too,
But you know, it is what it is. But yeah,
so it is talking about just the destabilization in general
of your personality. You feel like everything's extra and nothing
is okay and everything is chaos, and then you have
things like the friends moving away and you're like, oh,

(33:28):
that's too much.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Yeah. Well, and then also it's purity. You can hit
your friends at different times. Yeah, so I feel like
and I don't know if this is true, but I
feel like in my experience, a lot of my friends
experience like I had the period first, but they experienced whatever,
like we need to change the kind of thing like

(33:54):
we're being too childish. Oh yeah, way before I did.
And so that can feel destabilizing too, of Yeah, they
are changing so fast. Is there something wrong with me?

Speaker 3 (34:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Why, I need to catch up those kinds of thoughts.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
There's a lot to that, including the fact anxiety which
is what you start talking about in your own self
and trying to jump into. And that is another theme
of obviously the introduction of true anxiety, new anxieties and
the switch from I'm a good person to I'm not
good enough And I think that's such a killer, Like

(34:36):
that's a statement of itself, that the side of anxiety
was using that as a motivator, like use these bad
things as a way to get out and stay out
of those bad moments. Going to another podcast, psychiatrypodcast dot com,
they write this, By the end of inside Out, the
theme of emotional and integration is fully realized as different
emotions coexist and contribute to Riley's sense of self. Ssmeter's

(35:00):
real life where core believes like I'm a good person
and I'm not good enough often sits side by side.
In Riley's case, her anxiety invertently leads to the emergence
of a new critical belief, I'm not good enough. These
conflicting beliefs co exist within all of us, shaping our identity.
The tension between positive and negative self perception is a
normal part of emotional development, especially during adolescens when identity

(35:24):
formation becomes more complex. So it's that level of the
two coexisting. Can they coexist? And obviously they can, because
we definitely feel that whether we call it imposter syndrome
now or whether we call it whatever, and in its
form of like not being good enough, not having enough education,

(35:45):
finding all the reasons why you can't do it instead
of all the reasons that you can do it. And
also one of the big things for me is if
I'm not perfect at it, I'm not doing it, yeah,
which is a bas saying levels because I'm not good enough,
I'm not going for it. If i can't do it immediately,
I'm not into it. Interestingly enough, I just had a
conversation with someone talking about how I have performance anxiety,

(36:06):
and just in general anxiety.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
But because they see me teach and I'm very vocal
like in Zumba, they didn't believe me.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
I was like, there's a reason I didn't start doing
this till in my mid forties, and it took me
to this long to know that I could actually do this.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
Yeah, and it took me for other people to tell
me that I could do this.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
And it is definitely something that is taught and can
be balanced. I think humility is often confused with low
self esteem. Yeah, and it's inter used, don't you think. Yeah,
I definitely agree. I think that, especially watching this movie.
One of the things that I was struck by.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Is that Riley I just never had this experience. I
imagine you didn't either. But she was working so hard
to get on this hockey team like she would and
she was so good like she was. They'll focus in
on her footwork and I'm like, yeah, I can't do

(37:11):
this and I have no desire to do this. So
I don't know about that, but you know, having her
in her mind say like I'm not good enough and
always always always pushing that. I do think there's a
difference between having that thought that comes from a really

(37:31):
negative place and then having kind of a journey of Okay,
I actually am and I can I can do this
because the movie makes very clear like all of her
this is all coming from anxiety. Anxiety is planting all
of these things to make her think that. Mm hmmm,

(37:52):
so yeah, I think there's a difference between having anxiety
that's based on on that versus I don't know this
is a new undertaking, right, and I don't know about
it right, because she clearly was really good at hockey,
right right, you know.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
In fact, the Psychiatry podcast kind of talks about that
in a.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
Way like this.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
They say, anxiety's attempt to build a better Riley, as
seen when she launches Riley's course, sends itself to the
back of the mind. Illustrates the danger of allowing anxious
thoughts to reshape one's identity.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
So instead of.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
Being like, I'm a good person and I'm good at this,
because she knew how good she was with her the
three of them, maybe that's part of the problem, is
like she thought of it as the three of them,
which could be a thing.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
But then this new shaping.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Has this level of anxiety that's like throws that out
and let's reshape you, rebuild you.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
We can make it better. You're good.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
We're gonna make it even better. And the article goes on.
As Nancy McWilliams, I believe that's a psychiatrist has often
pointed out, anxiety can destroy the self concept, leading individuals
to construct identities based on external pressure rather than authentic
desires and values. So you've created a new image of
yourself that is based on what everybody, you think everybody

(39:10):
is thinking of you, like that whole like observation of
the eyebrow lift, or her just looking at her, or
like whatever whatnot. Like that in itself really did build
a different level of self identity, and it had everything
to do with anxiety building up that core and with
another PSI child dot org PSI Schi dot org.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
I'm sorry if I said that wrong.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
They write, along with the turbulences of adolescens and with
a brief appearance in inside Out, Inside Out two gives
anxiety a center role in Riley's emotional experience, Although the
emotions that are portrayed in inside Out can become exaggerated, inappropriate, uncontrollable,
and disruptive to Riley's daily and social functioning some of
the defining characteristics of mental disorders. Riley manages just to

(39:57):
keep them all in check and none develops into pathology
proportions inside out too, seems to change the narrative as
anxiety can represent the budding sees of potentially evolving psychological disorders.
So there is a lot of conversation of what this
could mean and the different diagnosis. I've seen conversations in
the autism world in reference to Riley again with anxiety

(40:18):
disorders again happening with Riley, Like there's those different levels
and any and I We've talked about this, especially when
it comes to disability Pride month. There are many people
who identify maybe as having a specific neurodivergent diagnosis but
never been diagnosed, and then other people doing it for them,
like fictional characters saying, this person obviously is in the

(40:40):
spectrum or on this level, and we don't like ourselves,
we don't do that. That's not a thing we think
that is appropriate unless it is actually stated by the
individual or like the people who created these characters, and
it's noted to be normally divergent or on some type
of DSM five level of diagnosis. That has been categorized

(41:03):
by the individual as well as whomever.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
Then we're not we're not going to talk about it.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
So this guy, we're not going to say that necessarily
about Riley because we don't see that being noted. But
we have seen the community talking about it on a
different level and welcoming those conversations because it is again
once and again talking about how any of these diagnosis,
any of these neurodivergent diagnoses, is functionable. There's nothing inherently

(41:30):
wrong in these things, and so we want to be
able to uplift those same voices. But here we're not
necessarily talking about that type of diagnosis necessarily. If one
day so one of the carric creators come out and
say yes, actually, then we will celebrate with that. But
it is interesting to see how we see the continual changes.

(41:51):
So when we see one type of emotions growing into
the next level of emotions, which can be like tipped
to a different route, is the best way I'm gonna
say it, that is something that we need to know
and that is what we are seeing, especially as we
talk about anxiety and then the panic attack. Again we'll
come out to that in just a second. But the

(42:12):
way the same site or interpreted in this movie. They said,
Pixar's integration of anxiety into Riley's developing personality, the portrayal
of her struggle, and the emphasis on her efforts develop
coping skills which help her keep her anxiety somewhat at bay,
is truly inspiring. Although anxiety can be a maladaptive emotion,
inside out too portrays it as potentially protective mechanism which

(42:34):
helps Riley develop self awareness, resilience, and strategic and strategic thinking. Specifically,
at the end of the movie, anxiety works alongside Riley's
other emotions, helping her to build a stronger sense of self.
And I think that's definitely that conversation we've talked about anxiety, Annie,
I'll talk about your anxiety specifically where you are over prepared.

(42:56):
But that is so nice for the others with you
because you do come prepared and people know that they
can rely on that on you. And then we know
also because whether you're passionate about it, I know you're
gonna be a month ahead. I know you're already a
month ahead on something and.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
Very different movie than this one, very different.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
But also like I also know that if you feel
like you need to be ahead of things. You're quite prepared,
you're ready to get it done, probably two to three weeks,
maybe two like two to three days and going out quickly.
We have to get it and you're you're ready, you
get it done. For me, my anxiety brings me back
to the preparing, like making sure there's parking. So if
there's not parking, I'll look around to see where that

(43:37):
parking could be. Where the best scenario. What kind of
food do they serve? Are we going to have to
look at, Like if someone has an allergy, I'm gonna
find out like those kinds.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
Like that's where my anxiety can help me.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
Yeah, But then when I go to the other scale world,
like I'm so overwhelmed, I'm about to either have a
panic attack or I have to take a nap or both.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
Yeah, those are my reactors, but.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
It is it's interesting, Like I do love seeing when
we have that conversation of life, because anxiety to me
does seem maladaptive just in general just seems like a
negative term, but in actuality, it can help us be
motivated and somewhat prepared.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Yeah, watching this again because I did come in. I
remember the first time I saw it, I thought, anxieties,
you know, this is negative. Yeah, And she was for
a lot of the movie. But once they kind of
work together, which the emotions, Once the emotions kind of

(44:36):
work together, which was also a theme in the first one,
it does become clear. And anxiety is the one that
tells Joy you can't control who Riley is. You're gonna
have to let her. You want her to be this,
but she is changing, her sense of self is changing,
so you're gonna have to let that happen. So I

(44:58):
did appreciate that it showcased the ways anxiety can be
really really negative but also really positive, like how it
can help you.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
Yeah. In the conversation dot com actually talks about that too.
They write, here we see how anxiety can play a
positive role in our lives. And anxiety takes charge and
has shown as future looking emotion that helps Riley to
try to avoid a bad consequence. It's not bad necessarily
to look ahead. It's bad when you obsess on it,
which is kind of that level of what was happening

(45:29):
where it kept her awake, That anxiety disorder kept her
awake because she was going through all the bad scenarios
she was pushing herself too hard, the constant practicing and
not all those levels.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
So it's definitely that level.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
But at the same time we understand if you think
at the very beginning when she thought, did the scenario look,
it actually was helpful. It was in the middle and
end part where we saw, oh, no, they're going overboard.
We need a balance. We need some kiddy cats on
top of looking at like possible scenarios, right, we need
we need that balance and we get to see that,

(46:02):
so it's not an awful thing.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
Here.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
We also talk about the panic attack that occurs. So
this is from Copcollective dot org. Anxiety or panic attacks
are sadly common, and up to thirty five percent of
the population experience a panic attack at some point in
their lives. I want to say the numbers are higher,
people are not reporting them or people don't understand that's
what it is, because I think maybe people think the
panic attacks, if it doesn't put you in the hospital,

(46:25):
then you've never had one type of conversation. I'm like, uh,
you might have been able to stop it, but you
had a panic attack.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
Yeah, I agree. I don't think it's kind of going
back to internalized ableism. I think a lot of times
people are like that was, and I think that was.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
That was.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
I don't even want to talk about it.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
I just yeah, I just I just needed to calm down.
I just need to go outside.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
Yeah, but you had a panic attack, and yeah, those
are they can be very very scary. And I have
to say, I asked you at the beginning how it
hit you, But it is. I mean I was watching
it just like the way her like knee was bouncing, yeah,
like her uneven breathing. Yeah, it does feel very realistic.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
Yeah, so for me watching that can and douce panic
attacks for me that I'm like, oh, like even thinking
about it can start like I'm getting a little like
racing of the heart, but like I have to very
calmly like bring myself back in different ways. And then
we've talked about like our own methods. I also have medication,
very low dose, not even like narcotic level, but like

(47:28):
it helps, it does help drive it down. I take
propopanol for performance anxiety because I do get pretty severe.
But performance anxiety I do okay and I can do it,
but before part feels like I'm gonna pass out, and
I do blackout sometimes in the middle of.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
My talking and I'm like, did I do okay? I
think I'm lying.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
I had to ask a few times. But that level
that does happen, you know. We try to control it,
and again, many people who don't understand what that is.
If it's severe enough, it feels like a heart attack,
and I know a lot of people just assume that's
a panic attack. Again, it's just that level of breathing.
Me watching that, I was like, oh, okay, I'm gonna

(48:08):
have to I'm gonna have to step back a little bit.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
You know what, yoga, with this breathing, it could cause
a panic attack me too. I can't do it.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
We actually talked about that when we were doing during
the pandemic, we were doing those like yoga videos. YEP.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
I really wanted to like yoga, and I went to
to a couple of sessions and doing our breath breathe in,
breathe out thinking session. I most lost it. I almost
had a panic attack because I was like, I don't,
I can't do this.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
You can't. I can't do this. So I've never I've
not been able to go back.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
I think that's why I like dancing I don't think
about you don't think about things.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
You can just not.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
You just think about your moves and the music and
that's it, and that's what I love. But it is
it wasn't interesting, but like watching her, it felt very real. Honestly,
it felt very real. This is important to see that

(49:09):
we talked about this fact as happening at a young age,
and we should be recognizing anxiety and young people. They
write the Conversation, it is right that we should be
worried about the rates of anxiety and young people. Anxiety
disorders can develop from early childhood. Generalized anxiety disorder is
the most prevalent form among early adolescents. There's evidence that
rates of anxiety in adolescence have been increasing, and these

(49:31):
have long term impacts on a range of outcomes from
school performances to earnings in adulthood. And I think we
need to talk about the school system and how it's
set up sometimes. I think we've talked about with testing.
We don't want to coddle children, that's not the necessary part,
but we also putting this unnecessary amount of pressure on
children that don't have the same access and being able

(49:54):
to have some freedom. I know, like South Korea has
some really hardcore idea when it comes to like schools
and getting them to the next level and to the
next level until the next level with like going to
school all day and then going to get like hardcorese
tutoring all day, and that's your entire thing. That seems impossible.

(50:15):
Like I don't know, I think that's one of the
things that I'm like, that's a good thing out came
to the US. I don't know if I could have
handled that lifestyle. And if they see a talent in
you or you want to do something that is specific
like sports or music, man, they really put you through
the test to make you want to quit everything. So
it just seems like it's one of those things that

(50:36):
we should not be putting on children. But you know,
this whole thing, and then of course there's another theme
suppressing emotions, and that's one of those big conversations that
we've all had, like we want to suppress some of
the things from childhood and try not to think about
it the whole like I'll think about it tomorrow, I
can't handle it today. Being able to do that or

(50:56):
trying to do that really can be unhealthy. We've talked
about it for especially when it comes to women not
being able to even confront those things because they have
so many other things that they had to deal with
that they're just putting it in the back of their minds,
their own mental health, their own stuff. And again there
was something that we talked about with them being put
in the vault of secrets. The end credit scene with
Deep Dark cigaret coming out and she's like, Okay, tell

(51:19):
me and he's like, I.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
Burned a hole in the carpet and she's like, oh,
is that it did you?

Speaker 2 (51:23):
I thought maybe he's peeing the pol and the knee
runs away again and then that's kind of how it ends.
But Annie, you were talking about that something was linked
to that scene that a lot of people were like, oh.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
No, yes. So when this first came out, I actually
had a Monday Mini to talk about this because they
had to add the end credit scene last minute. They
weren't planning to put it in because they had shown
the movie, they had screened it to audiences, and you know,

(51:54):
throughout you have this like Deep Dark Secret introduced midway,
and a lot of people the nice way of putting
is a lot of people were just really curious what
it was, but a lot of people were worried that
it was something like sexual abuse or something like really dark,

(52:16):
which I do think as I was telling you, Samantha's
really telling that in this Pixar movie about a young girl,
enough people went to sexual abuse that they added in
an end credit scene that they had not planned. Yeah,
but that that is why it's in there. It was

(52:37):
not originally a part of it.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
You put something in this outline because obviously all we
do we separate and take terms with different episodes.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
Is she gay?

Speaker 3 (52:48):
And I was like, oh, you know what, that is
a good question. Like there were some things that made
it seem like there was a little more like of.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
A crush maybe on val, but also it doesn't always
have to be that way, but it could be hockey.
I also love the fact that they put in hockey
as the main sport. This made me really happy, especially
after our conversation with different people about hockey.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
But yes, any expound please.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
Oh of course happy to So apparently after this came out,
like the Deep Dirt Secret, the gay community really latched
onto it and was like, oh, sec, that's what it is,
and it's just kind of become a whole gay headcanon

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is that that's what the deep Dirk secret actually is,
is that she's gay.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
That's interesting.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
I mean, there's nothing wrong if she is, there's nothing wrong.
It is also nothing wrong if it's just friends.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
Exactly because you can I think you can, you know
reaction that I could see reading as potentially she has
a crush on Valel. I could also just see you're
that's somebody looked up to.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
Yeah, someone that she's heard of and idolized and understand
she's so good, and then being friends with her would
put you on a different line, and especially being noticed.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
Yeah, that's like your dream is.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
The second grader being told high by a cool high
schooler and then be humiliated.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
Yeah, that was wrong. That was rough.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
Memories of the haunting. That's a haunting. That's I don't
know who you were, but I hope if you have
ever I won't.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
I won't forget. I will not.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
She is forgotten. I don't know who she is anyway. Yeah,
that's interesting. It's an interesting to take a deep dark cigarette.
I did not read into it as deeply as everybody else.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
I think. I don't think about it. I just bypass it.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
But I guess when I first saw it, I was like,
and I assume, because it's a Pixar movie.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
It's not gonna be Yeah, maybe that's where I was.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
But I did think about it. It's like, oh, deep
Darts Secret just sounds so menacing, And I know they
were going for kind of comical, they were going forward.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
Yeah that's where I went. But yeah, huh oh, and
you know what, but that's not true. I mean, so
when I was reading these different articles, one of the
articles talked about she's obviously at a high scale ace,
like there's a test when we're talking about the their
environment and their childhood and how well they grew up

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and if they had markers or trauma and the fact
that she probably did not. Everything seems really she grew
up in a really healthy environment, had the support that
she needed, had all of the basic knees covered and
then some, so she would not have been one to
typically have those types of bad markers. But you know,
like if you were to look at inside out on

(55:58):
that level, it's a whole different story and what that
looks like and how the emotions would have protected her again,
like what that looked like any if you're and my
headquarters were being seen.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
I don't think I think we would have a drama.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
Horror movie.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
So they're all of the same.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Who knows, but like it definitely would have been a
completely different movie. And they do talk about the Eric
ericson theory of attachments in there as well.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
Of course I didn't bring it to here, but they
do mention all of that. They do go that in depth.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Social workers go and talk about how this is a
great example in being able to talk to kids about
their emotions and regulating emotions and balance. Yeah, so there's
a lot and I think a lot of big theme
even though not necessarily said, but that self seeing their
sense of self has a lot about loving yourself and
liking yourself and also trusting in your own abilities.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
And who you are. You don't have to change for
all the other people.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
And you know what.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
I love the character of Val because she kind of
reiterates that.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
She's like, you're fine, it's not a big deal, Like
these are things that you can do, but it's okay.
We think you're cool and you definitely have potential, and
we've heard about your good playing and your teammates be
you like.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
I love that, No one like every now and.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Again the other schools, like would tease them about like
the notebook and then about liking certain bands, but like
even vowels like oh my god, I love them.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
Like she was so wonderfully reassuring.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
I loved her character to be honest.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
Yeah, because she could tell she had been there, like,
knew the pressure, knew what it was like. I love
that too, And I also love like a lot of
it was Riley being so anxious, like because she would
eat that like granola bar that yeah, Voul gave her
that she hated. She said she would eat like all
kinds of things she didn't like. But also she did

(57:50):
say she didn't like this band very sarcastically in front
of her friends. That was sort of scene.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
That's tar kasinsy was not cool.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
I did enjoy how the emotions could not talk to
the other side because of the sarcasm as.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
Literal chasm listeners, and so when they would shout across
for actual it was translated very sarcastically across the sarcauism.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
It was. I enjoyed that, and so with that, of course,
there's a lot more we can talk about about.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
This.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
One of the things that we will end is that
this is not just about teenagers and growing up, and
I think that's something that I was thinking through as well.
This is from mysocial worknews dot com. And let's not
forget emotional turbulence isn't exclusively present in teenagers. We can
all experience emotional turbulence at various points in our lives.
People affected by poor mental health, trauma, personality disorders, and

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intellectual disabilities may struggle more than others to recognize and
respond to their emotions.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
So obviously it is for everyone. We are all different places.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
Again, when we talked about the area Erston theories and
they were talking about trauma and triggers and what that
can cause in your headquarters and emotional stability, there's a
lot of like levels that there's there for me as
I'm navigating perimenopause, which apparently I am. There's a lot
of moments where I have to recognize, oh, this is

(59:13):
not a normal reaction. There's something going on internally here
that I'm overreacting in a way that it is unnecessary.
Whether it's my sadness, whether it's my anxiety. There are
moments where I'm like, ooh, calm down. There are moments
where I've recognized I've had too much caffeine and my
anxiety's caffeine induced. Literally, I was like, oh, yeah, nothing's
gonna happen. My heart's racing because in my mind, my

(59:35):
heart raising me something bad is happening.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
So like recognizing, oh, I've had too much caffeine, I'm
gonna need to sit this one out.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
How about some tea, non caffeinated.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
And just sit, get some water, get your favorite movie
calm now, which, by the way, I watched The Mummy
immediately after Inside Out too.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
Classical, a good comfort movie. Yeah, so there you go.
I really did.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
I will say I did enjoy this movie. There are
funny parts that are again interesting parts, and I could
see how this movie is really a great way to
start talking to kids, teenagers if they can like about
what this is and what this means and a little
more like in depth conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
So I appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
And it's like, I love anything original, and this is
like during the times of originality, the idea that emotions
are beings inside of us controlling our headquarters.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
Yeah, And one of the things that we've touched on
that I really like about Inside Out and inside out too,
is that it shows emotions working together, but when you
have joy kind of throwing these negative emotions or negative
memories or embarrassing memories to the back of the mind, which,
because it's conceptualized, it's actually a place in Riley's mind.

(01:00:57):
You know, I hate it, you hate it. But we
learned from embarrassing memories, We learn from failure. So there's
a reason that she needed. Riley needed those memories back
to make her new sense of self. I also just

(01:01:17):
very briefly want to add, if anyone like me loves
the Pixar Connected Universe theory, this movie full of easter eggs. Yes,
so there's a bunch of like what I would call
red herrings of you know, she has a picture of

(01:01:40):
the couple from up. Her last name is Anderson, which
is the last name of Bonnie from Toy Story. However
it's not spelled the same. But I but right before this,
I looked up because I'm very familiar with this, I
looked up where this would be, and so I think
it takes place in twenty thirty. Team. But if you

(01:02:01):
don't know the Pixar you Connected Universe theory is essentially
that it's an apocalypse theory and that humans are used
for batteries in the future. So the big part of
it is it's hinted at in Toy story. But then
and monsters ink when they're using like human laughter to

(01:02:23):
power their city or human screams, human laughter. Also but
that if you look around, it's a desolate landscape. And
so Boo from that movie goes back in time to
Brave and she is the Witch and Brave Bond. The

(01:02:45):
whole idea is humans are used as batteries, and there
are a couple of instances of that of being hinted
at in Inside Out two. So oh, it's just dark.
Oh my gosh, it's wild, like books have been written

(01:03:07):
about it. Oh, he's the whole thing. But a lot
a lot of what was written about Inside Out too
is that she's not related to Bond, like it's much
more like shooting Down ideas. She's not related to Bonnie.
She's not Boo because some people thought she was Boo
because she has the same pigtails in the first one.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
I think I heard that theory.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
Oh and then oh gosh, bing Bong from the first one,
the sad part her imaginary friend. The theory is that
he's a monster from Monsters Inc. That makes sense because
he's powered by her like energy, laughter and all of
this stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
Anyway, and then she stops laughing he goes away. Lord,
Oh it's sad.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
It's very sad.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
They got dark. They got dark.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
Sorry I hadn't put it in there, all right, Pixar theory,
look it up.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
No more pick star for you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
If we ever watch like Monsters Inc. And Brave, I'll
have a lot to say, which.

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
By the way, Monsters Inc. Is one of my favorite movies.
I love monster I loved Monsters Inc.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
So good. Well maybe in the future, maybe in the future. Anyway,
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