May 29, 2026 • 17 mins
Archiving is serious business - and often falls to women. Anney and Samantha chat about the complexities and questions of archiving.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, this is Annie Anne smitha welcome to stuff I
Never told you question by Hurrydio, and welcome to another
edition of Happy Hour. As always, if you choose to
drink or whatever you choose to do, please do so responsibly. Samantha,
(00:26):
are you sipping on anything not bubbly water?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Bubbly water always keeps me happy?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
What about you? It's nice? I have I have a
light beer? Yes, yes, yes, yes, and I opened it again.
I managed to get the top off. Okay, don't do
this to me, Samantha, send me spling. So for today's episode,
(00:55):
I had a lot of topics I want to do.
It's the two one in twenty second edition of Happy Hour,
and twenty two is my favorite number, so I wanted
to make it into something special. But every topic I
thought of was depressing, like really depressing, not like mine
(01:16):
or depressing. So I have chosen something else that is
depressing adjacent, but it's not that bad, and it's something
I've been thinking about since a conversation we had with Eves,
who comes on does our female first fantastic friend, wonderful
human and who I always find has insightful points, and
(01:43):
we were chatting. I think this actually happened. You were
having technical difficulties and so it was just me and Eves,
and so we were just chatting until you figured whatever
was going on out on getting yeah on your end.
And we were chatting about essays, writing essays, which you
know I do and I love. But we were also
(02:06):
talking about archiving, and that's something that we have talked
about on the show before because it is a historical
show and the importance of that. But it got me
to thinking about women in archiving, because women historically do
most of the family archiving, family archiving, personal archiving, unpaid archiving,
(02:33):
is what I'll say. And I just was thinking about
it because our company also has recently instituted a two
year delete like it automatically deletes your emails after two years,
which a lot of companies have. That's a past iteration
(02:53):
of who owned this podcast did it too, but they
didn't announce it, or if they did, I didn't read
the email. That's also possible. But I lost a lot
of sentimental emails to me right, And I want to
(03:14):
say the outset because you and I, Samanth, are different
in this way, I believe or I'm very sentimental. I
like to keep. I like to keep things. I'm very
sad I lost some emails. This is like they were
important to me and now they're gone. But I know
(03:35):
it's not important to everybody. And in fact, I had
a friend of her recently who I know it's not
important to you, and she threw away something that I
was keeping. I'm not a hoarder. I do have all
that stuff, but she just threw it away.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I don't think you're quite a hoarder, but I could
see you be mistaken.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Are That's fair, that's a fair point, but I'm not.
I just if somebody gives me something it's significant to me.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Well, I mean, I'm sad that she threw it away
because I would know not to throw things away for you,
because what I would think it's awayable was probably not
throw awayable.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah, I even like trying to go into the trash.
That's how sad it was.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Did you tell her?
Speaker 1 (04:29):
No? I didn't tell her. Why I tell her next time, though,
I'm going to tell her.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
It's like, you need to tell them at least so
that they don't do it again. Yeah, and that they
understand the importance. Yeah, I will know.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
If they listened to the show they now know.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
That was another topic I thought about doing was when
it feels like you're having an argument with someone over
the internet, like through the show, like you're airing out
your dirty launchers through the show. No, she'll probably just
laugh at me. That's okay. Anyway, I'm very sentimental, and
(05:10):
it got me thinking about the conversation I had with
Eves about archiving and how you don't know when things
will go away, And it also reminded me of the
episode you did recently, Samantha. Activists around the world about
archiving recipes or saving recipes in case of natural disaster
or something like that, which is also generally been done
(05:34):
by women. But you just don't know when these things
will go away. And I think we're in an interesting
place with technology where you have the physical copy that
could get destroyed in a hurricane. It's been storming like
(05:55):
wild where Smith and I are like every day flooding,
flash flooding. You have the physical copy that could get
destroyed in something like that, are lost, our deteriorated, and
then you have the digital copy that could get deleted
because of a company policy or just because a company
wants to take it down like you can't depend on
(06:18):
either fully. So I've been trying to think of how
I want to preserve these things. You know me, I
also love a backup every time we record. I'm like,
I would really like a backup. So I'm like, should
(06:38):
I do both? But you have to pay for online storage,
You have to pay to digitize things, although Eves did
point out you can go to the library and a
lot of them have archiving services. And growing up, my
mom was always she was definitely the archiver of the family.
(06:59):
She took the picture she put together, the photo books,
she made, the scrap books. We each have one, and
she would put like the sweetest details in there, and
some of them are really embarrassing, like it's like a
seventh grade. Her favorite song was by pod.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
In like college, So.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
It was yeah, I mean it was legitimately like but
it's says she she put in that work. That's the
other thing is it takes time, and it takes work
that's often not recognized. But when you lose someone or
I don't know, a hurricane comes and everybody's looking for
that recipe that got destroyed, then it really matters that
(07:47):
putting in that time really really matters. I used to
do it. I think I was briefly the archiver for her,
wherein I would like take pictures of her, or I
would put together photo books with her and her family,
not just like her kids, but her sisters and her brother.
(08:12):
And it did take it took time, and it took effort,
but I could tell it meant a lot to her.
That's definitely nothing any of the men in my family
did or would do. And there's a part of me
that's like, that's okay. But I just think knowing you
(08:33):
have to be okay with losing it or not having
it in the first place. And because I'm someone who
is so I'm even worried about memory loss. I'll be
honest with you. I'm worried I won't know. I'll look
at a picture and I won't, yeah, recognize it, so
I label them like that, and that takes time. But
(08:55):
just having the the realizing of, you know, I probably
should be if this matters to me, which it does,
I probably should be finding some kind of backup. But
you can lose. I had a backup hard drive and
I lost that too. Once I lost everything on there.
(09:17):
It was awful, all at work, God, everything on there.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
So are you trying to find a solution right now?
Speaker 1 (09:39):
I'm trying to either come to terms with you might
just lose these moments or you need to find a
solution where how much do you care about preserving these things? Yeah,
(10:00):
that's mostly where I am.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Yeah, I just feel everything feels uncertain and in the
age of technology, when things are just being wiped out
unless you have a hard copy of something, it just
feels like inevitably when something because like I'm thinking about that,
what with the VHS is I have so many vhss
And yes, I have not watched the vhs in probably
(10:23):
twenty twenty five years, thirty years, right, But like I
don't want to lose them, But at the same time,
I'm kind of scared that they're already probably destroyed somehow.
And if they're destroyed, even though these are obviously you
can still find these movies usually so you can, I've discovered,
But like, it does feel sad to lose any of
(10:43):
those things, any of those technologies as ever changing and
what is what people vow you enough to have stick
around versus not. We were talking about commercials when we would
record a lot of things off the TV off VHS,
you know, and people and back to the commercials and
being like, man, yeah, those commostures were different.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
People don't know, but younger.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Listeners just listen. We used to get these VHS tapes
and they were like different levels of them. There were
different qualities, and you would record your show and it
would come with the commercials. But if you knew what
you were doing, you could skip the commercials. However, we
(11:29):
were discussing some of those commercials have become immortal because
they do feel like such a product of a different time,
and you're kind of glad somebody recorded it. That's the thing,
is like that feeling of being glad someone recorded it.
(11:50):
Should I be that person?
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I just watched a TikTok video about Domino's having thenoid.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yes, oh my gosh, Savor's doing it episode on Domino's today.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Are you I all want to talk about the noid?
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Of course it's we can't not talk about thenoid. I
find these things interesting, Yeah, well they are. They are interesting.
But another wrinkle in all of this is now, when
you upload things, you don't know if companies are going
(12:25):
to use it in a way you don't want to
use it. If the pictures are going to go somewhere
you don't want them to go, right, So it's just
a it's another thing to take into accounts. I do
know that I'm glad my mom took all those pictures.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Yeah no, yeah, my mother has a scrap it for
me and is very sentimental as well. I don't do this,
You'll just find random pictures in different boxes. I should
do it, I should be better at it, but it's hard,
Like I just not. Sentimentality is not something I have
on a deep level. There's things that I'm sentimental about,
(13:06):
and I think I'm more sentimental than I think. But
also like sentimental gets trumped by survival and that's kind
of my emotional reaction is survival first, so sentimentality usually
gets left behind in that conversation a whole different thing.
But although like it is when someone does do it
(13:27):
and someone is kind enough to do it for you,
it is.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
It is very special. It's nice to see.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
It is it is. And I feel like my trauma
response to this because somebody pointed it out three years
ago and I was like, oh, is that. I like
having proof that people care about me, So that's why
I like to hold onto things because I have a
physical I have physical proof this person cared enough to
(13:59):
do X y Z. You're right x Y stupid. Note
that to me is like precious, Like oh my gosh,
so just I mean, it has those layers of it
of like why people hold onto things or why they don't,
but I yeah, that it's definitely something that I know
(14:21):
about myself somebody. I want to keep this because it's
proof this person cared about me and they in finded
me to this thing or whatever. Yeah. I don't know
what it was for my mom other than maybe she
just felt like she had to. I'm sure she wanted to,
but also she might have felt like she had to,
But she really put a lot of work into the
(14:44):
scrap books she made. Mine would be much more haphazard.
It's just like I don't take nearly as many pictures
anymore either.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
I've had to since doing the Zumba thing. I have
now become even more so online because of the Zooma stuff,
and feel like I have to promote myself.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I despise it though.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Well that's yet another layer to this whole thing, is
how will it look in the future when there's a
female first podcast. Perhaps happening, and they'd look back on
social media and the story you tell through social media.
(15:33):
But yeah, that's just something that's been on my mind.
I also really need to go get my will done.
Not to sound too but I've been thinking about this too.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yeah, life sucks.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Anyway, that was like my attempt at the least sad
idea I had.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
I'm not gonna say it's successful, but it was not
as bad as it could have been.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Well, thank you, thank you very very much. Well, we
do have some good news here at the end, though, okay,
and that is that we are going on a voyage
sponsored by Virgin Voyages and it's called Stuff at Sea.
It is five night adults only. It is sailing from
(16:23):
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be really fun. There are other podcasts that are going
to be there, like Stuff you should know and stuff
they don't want you to know. There's going to be
live podcast and some you can get up behind scenes. Look,
(16:45):
there's going to be some other events that we're going
to participate in. You'll have a chance to hang out
with us. It's going to be really, really fun. So
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Hey, this is Annie Anne smitha welcome to stuff I
Never told you question by Hurrydio, and welcome to another
edition of Happy Hour. As always, if you choose to
drink or whatever you choose to do, please do so responsibly. Samantha,
(00:26):
are you sipping on anything not bubbly water?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Bubbly water always keeps me happy?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
What about you? It's nice? I have I have a
light beer? Yes, yes, yes, yes, and I opened it again.
I managed to get the top off. Okay, don't do
this to me, Samantha, send me spling. So for today's episode,
(00:55):
I had a lot of topics I want to do.
It's the two one in twenty second edition of Happy Hour,
and twenty two is my favorite number, so I wanted
to make it into something special. But every topic I
thought of was depressing, like really depressing, not like mine
(01:16):
or depressing. So I have chosen something else that is
depressing adjacent, but it's not that bad, and it's something
I've been thinking about since a conversation we had with Eves,
who comes on does our female first fantastic friend, wonderful
human and who I always find has insightful points, and
(01:43):
we were chatting. I think this actually happened. You were
having technical difficulties and so it was just me and Eves,
and so we were just chatting until you figured whatever
was going on out on getting yeah on your end.
And we were chatting about essays, writing essays, which you
know I do and I love. But we were also
(02:06):
talking about archiving, and that's something that we have talked
about on the show before because it is a historical
show and the importance of that. But it got me
to thinking about women in archiving, because women historically do
most of the family archiving, family archiving, personal archiving, unpaid archiving,
(02:33):
is what I'll say. And I just was thinking about
it because our company also has recently instituted a two
year delete like it automatically deletes your emails after two years,
which a lot of companies have. That's a past iteration
(02:53):
of who owned this podcast did it too, but they
didn't announce it, or if they did, I didn't read
the email. That's also possible. But I lost a lot
of sentimental emails to me right, And I want to
(03:14):
say the outset because you and I, Samanth, are different
in this way, I believe or I'm very sentimental. I
like to keep. I like to keep things. I'm very
sad I lost some emails. This is like they were
important to me and now they're gone. But I know
(03:35):
it's not important to everybody. And in fact, I had
a friend of her recently who I know it's not
important to you, and she threw away something that I
was keeping. I'm not a hoarder. I do have all
that stuff, but she just threw it away.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I don't think you're quite a hoarder, but I could
see you be mistaken.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Are That's fair, that's a fair point, but I'm not.
I just if somebody gives me something it's significant to me.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Well, I mean, I'm sad that she threw it away
because I would know not to throw things away for you,
because what I would think it's awayable was probably not
throw awayable.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah, I even like trying to go into the trash.
That's how sad it was.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Did you tell her?
Speaker 1 (04:29):
No? I didn't tell her. Why I tell her next time, though,
I'm going to tell her.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
It's like, you need to tell them at least so
that they don't do it again. Yeah, and that they
understand the importance. Yeah, I will know.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
If they listened to the show they now know.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
That was another topic I thought about doing was when
it feels like you're having an argument with someone over
the internet, like through the show, like you're airing out
your dirty launchers through the show. No, she'll probably just
laugh at me. That's okay. Anyway, I'm very sentimental, and
(05:10):
it got me thinking about the conversation I had with
Eves about archiving and how you don't know when things
will go away, And it also reminded me of the
episode you did recently, Samantha. Activists around the world about
archiving recipes or saving recipes in case of natural disaster
or something like that, which is also generally been done
(05:34):
by women. But you just don't know when these things
will go away. And I think we're in an interesting
place with technology where you have the physical copy that
could get destroyed in a hurricane. It's been storming like
(05:55):
wild where Smith and I are like every day flooding,
flash flooding. You have the physical copy that could get
destroyed in something like that, are lost, our deteriorated, and
then you have the digital copy that could get deleted
because of a company policy or just because a company
wants to take it down like you can't depend on
(06:18):
either fully. So I've been trying to think of how
I want to preserve these things. You know me, I
also love a backup every time we record. I'm like,
I would really like a backup. So I'm like, should
(06:38):
I do both? But you have to pay for online storage,
You have to pay to digitize things, although Eves did
point out you can go to the library and a
lot of them have archiving services. And growing up, my
mom was always she was definitely the archiver of the family.
(06:59):
She took the picture she put together, the photo books,
she made, the scrap books. We each have one, and
she would put like the sweetest details in there, and
some of them are really embarrassing, like it's like a
seventh grade. Her favorite song was by pod.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
In like college, So.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
It was yeah, I mean it was legitimately like but
it's says she she put in that work. That's the
other thing is it takes time, and it takes work
that's often not recognized. But when you lose someone or
I don't know, a hurricane comes and everybody's looking for
that recipe that got destroyed, then it really matters that
(07:47):
putting in that time really really matters. I used to
do it. I think I was briefly the archiver for her,
wherein I would like take pictures of her, or I
would put together photo books with her and her family,
not just like her kids, but her sisters and her brother.
(08:12):
And it did take it took time, and it took effort,
but I could tell it meant a lot to her.
That's definitely nothing any of the men in my family
did or would do. And there's a part of me
that's like, that's okay. But I just think knowing you
(08:33):
have to be okay with losing it or not having
it in the first place. And because I'm someone who
is so I'm even worried about memory loss. I'll be
honest with you. I'm worried I won't know. I'll look
at a picture and I won't, yeah, recognize it, so
I label them like that, and that takes time. But
(08:55):
just having the the realizing of, you know, I probably
should be if this matters to me, which it does,
I probably should be finding some kind of backup. But
you can lose. I had a backup hard drive and
I lost that too. Once I lost everything on there.
(09:17):
It was awful, all at work, God, everything on there.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
So are you trying to find a solution right now?
Speaker 1 (09:39):
I'm trying to either come to terms with you might
just lose these moments or you need to find a
solution where how much do you care about preserving these things? Yeah,
(10:00):
that's mostly where I am.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Yeah, I just feel everything feels uncertain and in the
age of technology, when things are just being wiped out
unless you have a hard copy of something, it just
feels like inevitably when something because like I'm thinking about that,
what with the VHS is I have so many vhss
And yes, I have not watched the vhs in probably
(10:23):
twenty twenty five years, thirty years, right, But like I
don't want to lose them, But at the same time,
I'm kind of scared that they're already probably destroyed somehow.
And if they're destroyed, even though these are obviously you
can still find these movies usually so you can, I've discovered,
But like, it does feel sad to lose any of
(10:43):
those things, any of those technologies as ever changing and
what is what people vow you enough to have stick
around versus not. We were talking about commercials when we would
record a lot of things off the TV off VHS,
you know, and people and back to the commercials and
being like, man, yeah, those commostures were different.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
People don't know, but younger.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Listeners just listen. We used to get these VHS tapes
and they were like different levels of them. There were
different qualities, and you would record your show and it
would come with the commercials. But if you knew what
you were doing, you could skip the commercials. However, we
(11:29):
were discussing some of those commercials have become immortal because
they do feel like such a product of a different time,
and you're kind of glad somebody recorded it. That's the thing,
is like that feeling of being glad someone recorded it.
(11:50):
Should I be that person?
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I just watched a TikTok video about Domino's having thenoid.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yes, oh my gosh, Savor's doing it episode on Domino's today.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Are you I all want to talk about the noid?
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Of course it's we can't not talk about thenoid. I
find these things interesting, Yeah, well they are. They are interesting.
But another wrinkle in all of this is now, when
you upload things, you don't know if companies are going
(12:25):
to use it in a way you don't want to
use it. If the pictures are going to go somewhere
you don't want them to go, right, So it's just
a it's another thing to take into accounts. I do
know that I'm glad my mom took all those pictures.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Yeah no, yeah, my mother has a scrap it for
me and is very sentimental as well. I don't do this,
You'll just find random pictures in different boxes. I should
do it, I should be better at it, but it's hard,
Like I just not. Sentimentality is not something I have
on a deep level. There's things that I'm sentimental about,
(13:06):
and I think I'm more sentimental than I think. But
also like sentimental gets trumped by survival and that's kind
of my emotional reaction is survival first, so sentimentality usually
gets left behind in that conversation a whole different thing.
But although like it is when someone does do it
(13:27):
and someone is kind enough to do it for you,
it is.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
It is very special. It's nice to see.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
It is it is. And I feel like my trauma
response to this because somebody pointed it out three years
ago and I was like, oh, is that. I like
having proof that people care about me, So that's why
I like to hold onto things because I have a
physical I have physical proof this person cared enough to
(13:59):
do X y Z. You're right x Y stupid. Note
that to me is like precious, Like oh my gosh,
so just I mean, it has those layers of it
of like why people hold onto things or why they don't,
but I yeah, that it's definitely something that I know
(14:21):
about myself somebody. I want to keep this because it's
proof this person cared about me and they in finded
me to this thing or whatever. Yeah. I don't know
what it was for my mom other than maybe she
just felt like she had to. I'm sure she wanted to,
but also she might have felt like she had to,
But she really put a lot of work into the
(14:44):
scrap books she made. Mine would be much more haphazard.
It's just like I don't take nearly as many pictures
anymore either.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
I've had to since doing the Zumba thing. I have
now become even more so online because of the Zooma stuff,
and feel like I have to promote myself.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I despise it though.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Well that's yet another layer to this whole thing, is
how will it look in the future when there's a
female first podcast. Perhaps happening, and they'd look back on
social media and the story you tell through social media.
(15:33):
But yeah, that's just something that's been on my mind.
I also really need to go get my will done.
Not to sound too but I've been thinking about this too.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yeah, life sucks.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Anyway, that was like my attempt at the least sad
idea I had.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
I'm not gonna say it's successful, but it was not
as bad as it could have been.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Well, thank you, thank you very very much. Well, we
do have some good news here at the end, though, okay,
and that is that we are going on a voyage
sponsored by Virgin Voyages and it's called Stuff at Sea.
It is five night adults only. It is sailing from
(16:23):
October second to the seventh, twenty twenty sixth. It's going
from New York City to Bermuda, and it's going to
be really fun. There are other podcasts that are going
to be there, like Stuff you should know and stuff
they don't want you to know. There's going to be
live podcast and some you can get up behind scenes. Look,
(16:45):
there's going to be some other events that we're going
to participate in. You'll have a chance to hang out
with us. It's going to be really, really fun. So
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