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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, this is Ann and Smantha.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I'm moment of stuff. Never told your production, but I
Heeart Radio and welcome to another edition of Happy Hour.
As always, if you choose to indulge or do any
Happy hourish type things or whatever you're doing, please do
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so responsibly.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Samantha, what are you up to? I'm just drinking my
bubbly water.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Excited to be here about you always.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Yes, I actually am going back to my roots kind
of because I used said drink drinks on here. So
I made a very light version of a margarita. And
I will talk about why at the end, but you're
gonna have to stick around until the end.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Oh no to know why.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
I will, well, God, I would hope so. But before
we get into today's topic, just a reminder, Samantha and I,
thanks to our sponsors over at Virgin Voyages, are going
on a voyage ourselves and we're very excited about it.
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It's October second through seventh, twenty twenty sixth, twenty sixth,
twenty six I don't know what I'm doing, but it'll
be a fun time and it's adults only and you
can see us behind the scenes. There's gonna be live
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podcast recordings. The other other podcasts on our network are
going to be there, like stuff you should know and
stuff they don't want you to know. It's gonna be
really fun and we're gonna be out and about hanging around.
So obviously, yes, come hang out with us. We would
love to have you. Yes, you can go secure your
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ticket at a Virgin vorages dot com slash stuff and
we sincerely do hope to see you.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yes, So for these happy hours, the topics can go
all over the place. This one is one I'm dying
to talk about, but also.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Trying to.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Stay contained because if you if you're a listener of
this show, you know when I get all fired up
about something that's its being written for presentations being had.
So what I want to say about this one before
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we get into it is number one spoilers for the
recent movie Obsession. But I am going to do my
very very best to.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Only spoil.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
The main plot, like the through line of the plot,
Like there's a lot more that happens that I'm going
to try not to spoil, but the kind of the
essential thing that it's hinging on, I am going to
have to spoil for this. So if you don't want
to be spoiled. Just the movie's still really popular, it's
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still in theaters.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Go see it.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
But also content warning because we are going to be
touching on topics of sexual assaults.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, So the reason I really wanted to talk about
this is because Samantha knows this. People don't believe me,
but I swear I either saw a low rent version
of this a year ago, or like maybe they had been.
The creators had been talking about it, so I sort
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of knew what the plot was, and I was from
the moment I heard the plot, I was very interested
in how audiences would react, and so that's mainly what
I want to talk about today, just because I think
that the reaction I experienced when I saw it in
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theaters would have been very different a couple decades ago.
That's mostly what I want to talk about. But it
is hard to discuss about the spoiling the whole movie,
so I'm going to do I'm gonna do my best.
But I was aware of the general plot in some
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way or other. I don't know what happened, but I
did know, so I went in pretty aware of what
was gonna go down. And I have to say watching
it in theaters, I was seated next to a very
young couple on a date. First of all, awkward, It
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was kind of awkward, and they were doing that thing
where they're like making jokes and like during the whole thing,
trying to be flirty. But over hearing their conversation, I
was like, at least they're on board with what I
think you should take away from this film.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
They also said something really funny at the beginning, where
one of them said, I never listened to anything that
isn't on one point five speed. So this sounds like
not talking normally to me any.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
I agree, I have hard time now too.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
That cracked me up. I thought that was funny.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Yes, as people who make content that we are very
aware people speed up.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Please do I sound better at one point seven?
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Specifically?
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yeah, sometimes when I listen back, I'm like, you sound
like you're drunk or I don't know what's wrong with you.
But yeah, anyway, So this movie is a horror movie
and it does something interesting because the protagonist nobody wants
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him to succeed, so I feel like he's a very
nice guy trope that actually gets treated realistically.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
So that's what I was intrigued.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
I really wanted to know how people would react to
a main male character.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Who is.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Trying to get romantically with a female best friend and doesn't,
but then uses other methods to do it that are
very nefarious. It's basically a wish gone wrong type of story,
like you wish for this world piece and then the
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world blows up or something. That's essentially what's going on.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
But he does it.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
He makes a wish that she'll love him forever and
like more than anything else, and then you can imagine
how it goes wrong from there. That's my basic plot
of what happens. But I was curious how people would
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react to a story where, you know, usually we would
be told you want them to get together Dave childhood friends,
and here's the main character, and he's like a nerdy,
shy guy, so that's what we should be wanting. But
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then he does this thing and doesn't correct it when
he realizes he does not correct it, and the audience
was horrified at him, like they were genuinely like rooting
for his death. I was so it sounds horrible. I
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was so happy. I was just like validated, because this
is how you should react to a situation like this
because it in the movie, it's made clear she's aware
she just can't control her body, Like her body autonomy
is taken away, her personality is taken away. So all
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he really cared about was like objectifying her and this
idealized version of.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Her and owning her.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
And he knows like she keeps trying to like break
out of it, and he just.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Ignores it.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
His friends, her friends confront him about it or like
something's wrong with her, she's not acting like herself, and
he's just like, oh, no, she's fine, even though it's
increasingly clear as she is not fine. But I did
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it was a very upsetting film, which I thought I
knew it was going to be.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
But I did like that it was portrayed he.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
This is not a good This is a good guys, Yeah,
because I feel like in the eighties there are a
bunch of movies like this, right, but instead of it
being oh, he's the villain, and it was like, oh,
he he got one over this girl, or he's able
to control this girl or all of this stuff, like
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the nerds control of the world and she's just a
stupid object that I that I get to control.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
But This was very much like.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
You are the bad guy and you think you are
the good guy.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
If I, oh, if I could, I would do a
whole episode on it.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
But like I watching it, the how angry people were
at him in the theater and how like.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
It was.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
You could probably feel it like people were mad. And
that's what comforted me, because I was worried I was
going to go in and see a different reaction that
was like, oh, well he got the girl, or like
that's what he deserves, or because he he seems nice
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in the beginning, this is what he's entitled to. So
that's I was very relieved. You know, that was not
the reaction at all, And I think it's been a
big change. I really do think a couple like a
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decade or so ago, that would not have been the case.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
I did read it.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
I know nothing about this film. All I know is
that they decided to extend it in the theaters because
they was doing so well, which was unheard of. That
actually pulled back from streaming, which is again all heard of.
Apparently that caused some like controversy right there because the
streaming platforms weren't happy that they were losing money. Whatever whatnot.
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That's but I did read that before it was approved,
executives were trying to talk the director and writer into
changing it to make him more likable, yeah, to make
him more of a hero, and they refused, Like they
went through, of course, it's gonna be a publicity stunt
because it is being received so well, to give them
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more credit. But it seemed also plausible. But they're like, no,
but it's a white, handsome main character. We don't want
to villainize him so much. This much type of thing.
I don't nothing about that, but I did see a
headline about that.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Yeah, I would believe it because it felt very different.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
It's an interesting.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Premise to have your protagonist be somebody so unlikable, and
that's I read.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
I read an article about that.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Of like, that's one of the reasons this movie stands
out is that there is a part of you is
protagonist and you're you know, at first, at least you're hoping, oh,
they get together, but then it just becomes so clear
and so horrifying his actions and how he does not
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care about her at all, And there are scenes people
were like gasping in horror, and I just think that
would have played differently a while ago, but I was
very happy that everybody was horrified.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
By it in the right like that reaction.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, like a very that can be such a It
matters how you frame things, and it matters that they
didn't make that sexy at all.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
It was horrifying, like.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
People were upset, And so that is mostly what I
wanted to talk about today, because I knowing what the
plot was, I went in very concerned how people would react.
But yeah, I have to say, all right.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
So they passed that. The audience with you who passed
the vibe check.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
The audience with me passed the vibe check. I think
generally though, uh, that has been the takeaway. I think
they were clear enough, like this this guy's no good.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Oh, just the way it like unfolds and everything.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
If it was his best friend, her best friend, his
best friend, to do that to your best friend, like
you built that and you still objectify someone that to
that point, but they weren't human enough for you, yeah
to think this is wrong?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah, Well, and he there's a scene in the beginning
he's like rehearsing to ask her out, and he panics
when the moment comes and he doesn't and he had
that chance, and he didn't do it, and then he
did the wish thing and then just went, oh, so.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
We don't even know if she would She might have
said yes.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
She might have, but I think it's heavily implied she
wouldn't have.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
But because she was, she kind of asked him out
like outright, like do you like me?
Speaker 1 (15:44):
What is this?
Speaker 2 (15:45):
And he was like, oh no, and then he called
her a name that she really hates and she knew
he and so she left and he panicked and tried
this wish thing, but he never It makes that point
clear that he never even really had the courage to
be upfront honest about his emotions and feelings about her,
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which I do think is another part of the whole
nice guy yeah kind of persona. But yeah, I'm trying
to go see it again with some other friends because
I don't I haven't had a chance to just talk.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
About it, digest it.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Yeah, because I saw it with a mutual friend of
ours a couple of weeks ago, but we had to
leave right after, so.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
I haven't had the I need to know, I need
to talk about it.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
So we'll see if I have any other any other takeaways,
maybe when it comes on to streaming, we'll do a
spoiled Saturday. But yeah, yeah, no animal dies in it, right, Oh,
an animal definitely dies, but it dies.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
I can't scream, but something else halfs you might be
on your own, doesn't one. I'm just gonna watch you
have an episode where I'm not here. I'll just I'll
give you the timestamped. Just okay, avoid all this part.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, but uh it was it was
a movie people were watching and not knowing like should
I laugh at this or not because it's so weird,
but they did react and what I think is the
appropriate way, the appropriate manner. Okay, when it came to this, really,
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in my opinion, horrendous.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Way.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
This guy was acting who normally, I think in the
past would have been sympathized, like a lot of sympathy,
but now they're no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
This is not right. Okay.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
So those are my abbreviated thoughts on obsession.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
We'll come back to it.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
I did want to say, briefly, as I mentioned at
the top, I have like a margarita. It's because my
beloved show Saver is coming to an end. Our final
episode is on tequila but we're not going completely away,
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so like I think we might pop up every now
and again, but this is the end of our regular run.
So just to note, if you're interested, we've got a
lot of episodes, go check it out, and we're hoping
to bring co hosts on that show with me Lauren
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over on Spinty for food segments, yeah, crossovers, yes, yes,
So cheers to all of you. You here's the yes.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
A good run, Yeah it was.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
It was a good run. I'm going to do I'm
going to do a happy hour. That's a me feelings
about it, and you should because it was the first
time I was a host. It was the first. It
was a first for a lot of me. It was
the first for a lot of me. Makes no sense,
so you know what I mean. Yes, Yes, and listeners,
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Speaker 2 (20:01):
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