April 8, 2026 • 46 mins
In our ongoing and evolving mini-series look at ICE and DHS, we dig into the tech propping them up and some of the deeply disturbing issues that we're seeing.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, this is Anny and Smantha. I'm welcome to stuff.
I never told your production of I Heart Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
And we are trying to wrap up this segment, but yeah,
we're going to have more parts.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
It's just too much.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
This administration is in a constant state of chaos, especially
when it comes to immigration, any worldwide issues. Actually, I
feel like there's no caveat This administration is in chaos.
And with that, go ahead and put content warning here.
We are going to talk about death, suicide, disease, all
the ugliness of the administration when it comes to ice
(00:49):
and immigration. Also, go ahead and time stamp it. Today
is April eighth, twenty twenty six. Things are ever changing. Literally,
I had to rearrange some of this outlined because I
realized I didn't have the most updated information as in
like it was released yesterday with new numbers, and I
was like, well, yeah, I'm frustrated. Yeah, so I know
(01:16):
that this is a very current affairs episode of very
current affairs that I feel like when it comes when
we come back to this, whether it's generations from now,
whether it's two years from now, whether it's two weeks
from now, it's going to be a lot and it's
going to be a really dark part of our history
(01:36):
that we need to remember, so leave it at all
at that. So before we do jump in to the
newer topics, even though again this is all about ICE
and how DHS and CBP have been working in the
United States a little bit outside of the United States honestly,
but we're not going to get into it here. We
will talk about it, but not in this episode. We
(01:59):
didn't want to go back to our last discussion about
the surveillance stuff about the privacies that are being violated
because the government decided to ask specific social media accounts
or holders owners to give information and they did. They
buckled so quickly without any actual threats. Google, discord and
(02:25):
Meta just a fuse name and we will keep naming.
But we did want to talk about outside of that,
some of the data collecting that ICE and DHS has
been able to get or pay for. So yeah, let's
jump into the technology that they're using. And this is
not all of it, because honestly, they're spending money like
(02:47):
we have tons of it, and not that we have
like billions of dollars in deficit as the value of
our dollar is going down. I don't know how we're
doing that, but they're doing it, spending it like there
ain't no tomorrow, and honestly, maybe not, maybe not, who
knows anyway?
Speaker 3 (03:05):
With that.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Currently, it's being reported that ICE and DHS have been
using different types of technology to not only keep tabs
on citizens and non citizens alike, but they're using systems
like Microsoft and a Zure to get data through AI
or cloud systems. This whole fictional system that never existed
till about ten years ago to our knowledge, have finally
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come through and been like, yeah, this is going to
be great.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
For the government's usage, let's use this stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
They are also going through their own systems, which include
health data like Medicaid information, to hunt down people. So
they're scrapping their own information that is only supposed to
be used for health access to go after people and
hunt people down. Here's a bit from an article from
ABC affiliate in Washington abcseven dot com. They write, and
(03:56):
I think this is from twenty twenty five, so not
that long ago, but for some reason, with as fast
as information as we're getting, it feels a little dated,
you know. But they write, Immigration and Customs enforcement officials
will be given access to the personal data of a
nation's seventy nine million Medicaid enrollees, including home addresses and ethnicities,
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to track down immigrants who may not be living legally
in the United States, according to an agreement attained by
the Associated Press.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
And it continues explaining what type of access they will
be given. Quote the database will reveal to ICE officials
the names, addresses, birth dates, ethnic and racial information, as
well as social security numbers for all people enrolled in Medicaid.
The state and federally funded program provides healthcare coverage program
for the poorest of people, including millions of children.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Now, the access was limited, with it stating that they
are not allowed to download the information, but was only
given a specific amount of time and date to access
that information. And the information does cover both immigrants who've
been granted stays in the US, so they've been given visas,
they've been given clearances, and those who may not but
are giving coverage for emergency situations, many of which are children.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
As we said, So.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
When I say that they can't download it, literally, they're like,
you're allowed from Monday to Saturday, from this time to
this time to look at this. Let's be real honest, though,
are they trustworthy enough to say that they're not actually
downloading these systems? I don't know, because they sure do.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Love to lie.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
But with all that, they've also been able to access
information through private systems like Flock, who we mentioned in
the last episode and I told you was pointing at
my house.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Not a fan, No, not a fan.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Flock is an Atlanta based private tech firm that has
contracts with many local law enforcements and has made a
giant profit off of installing surveillance cameras that are used
for automated license plate reading. Just pick up that license plate,
get all that information, and save it.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
They say they don't save it. They say the.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Data belongs to the owners. But obviously they can't be
true if it's in their system and we can't ask
them to take it off and we have no rights
to that system. But okay, moving on, and already we've
seen many headlines about how local law enforcement have handed
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over information to the large federal agencies like ICE for
their usage. Even though Flock has told many of people
and many of reporters that they do not work with ICE,
it's very clear that their.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Data is being used by them.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
So the circumventing and the like tossing of the language
is an obvious The turrent saying being like, oh no,
but we don't have a contact with them doesn't actually
mean they're not working with them, whether it's by choice
or not, by their specific choice or not. Not only that,
but many YouTubers and I've seen some of these YouTube
(07:04):
videos and hackers have shown how easy it is to
get into these systems. Literally you just press the button
three times and it resets and allows you to access
their system as In fact, some of the passwords were
as simple as one, two, three.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Yeah. You would think a tech firm should know better.
You would think you would think.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
There's also talks about how predatory the company is by
installing cameras in locations and demanding pay even if they
have not been requested to be put up in those areas.
Literally they put them up anyway, and they like, we
got you a service.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Pay us.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
As a reminder, Atlanta is one of the most surveilled
areas in the nation, even more so maybe in the world.
Like it's like, the amount of cameras to the amount
of population that is there is unreal. The ratio doesn't
make sense. Again one is pointed at my house. I'm
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going to say that a lot. So we need to
complete this down. And also it should be noted this company,
it came out of nowhere and profited very quickly. I
did read an article in which they had a whole
sit down with a small city in Georgia. Dunwoodie is
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a little outside of Atlanta, and there are many people
who were asking for these flock cameras to be gone
and saying that this is a violation of privacy because
there are in the private areas.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I will say that.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
And so the city actually deferred the contract. They didn't
cut ties with them, they just deferred because so many
people didn't like them. They're still there and they are
still being used. Just as an FYI. Also, local law
enforcements will tell you, you know, we're not doing anything
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bad with these things.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
It's just preventative.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
As a reminder, we talked about that federal article that
is being used to make local law enforcements cooperate and
work with ICE because they have units in and in
the state of Georgia. They are required by our governor.
He signed a whole policy forcing law enforcements to have
to work with ICE. So none of the cities have
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a choice because by state law that Governor Kemp decided
to put in place, they have to abide. This was
a big thing about in Cobb County, which is slowly
turning blue, which they were already upset about because they
didn't want ICE to be a part of obviously law
enforcement at all. They are, but the Sheriff's office was like,
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we have to. This is something that Kemp has put
in place. Passing the book is what our favorite game.
But just as a reminder, and again, since flock is
used by local law enforcement, guess who has access to that?
You are correct, Ice, but they're not the only company
being used here in this type of man hunt. Palenteer
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if you know you know which every time we talk
about Palenteering in my house, the first thing is that
is that's the obvious villain evil within Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
That's so funny because I was gonna say duchess and dragons,
paladd but that's true. That's also good.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Yes, all of.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Those things are aligned because Peter Till is obnoxious.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
But moving on.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Yes, so Palenteer a company where the CEO is outright
very loud about its support and assistance in the current
administration and actually been a big help in the way
Ice has been able to kidnap people all across the country.
Like this isn't obvious, Peter Till is what meaning people
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will say is the reason JD. Vance became such a
sycophant for Trump as well and maybe leading up to
even more conservative ties. Peter Till was also recorded as
saying if people died, oh, well that's how it goes. Yeah,
he's a terrible guy, terrible person, terrible founder of the company.
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They also have aligned and have contracts with the federal government,
so so much so that organizations like the ACLU have
been keeping tabs on this specific company for a while,
I mean since twenty eleven. According to their own articles,
pllenteers sketchy tactics like risk assessment database that keeps quote
threat scores so they predict who could be a criminal
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I guess, to data targeting of individuals. The ACLU has
been watching with growing concerns of how Polunteer has been
implementing their tactics in the government today.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yes, and here's a bit from ACLU dot com written
in March of twenty twenty six. Quote Over the years,
the company seems to have been involved in opaque ways
with US security and other agencies in a period when
those agencies really began exploring ways to use newly available
mass surveillance data and analytics to achieve various goals. Now
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the company's involvement in questionable government uses of mass data
has reached a new level of clarity, with Amnesty International
calling out the company's responsibility under United Nations Human Rights
principles to immediately cease their work with the Trump deportation program.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Right, so, they're so bad that the UN has called
them out as a company to be like a you
need to stop.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
You need to stop.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
In the same article the list of some of the
problems they were able to obtain, even though they do
note that due to the level of secrecy and overall
lack of transparency, it is a bit difficult to pinpoint
the depth of the involvement of the company with the
dealings with the government, but the rumor seems to point
to the again the company and its founder Peter Till
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as a main character in this whole situation, Like he
is a big bad in this whole situation.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Okay, but coming back to.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Their list specifically, We're not going to go off the
whole list, but we just really wanted to mention a
couple of things that they have tracked.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
They talk about the usage of the ELITE.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
System, meaning like they use the acronym ELITE, which is
Enhanced Least Identification and Targeting for Enforcement, which is quote
used in immigration enforcement operations for identifying and prioritizing high
value targets through advance and analytics as In fact, the
user guide puts it as that the system is used
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with the idea that not only can they get one target,
a high profile target, but that it will lead to
a target rich area. And they get all this information
using sensitive data from the Department of Human Health Services
as well as the US Citizenship and Immigration Services, and
they do so by illegally buying data, so meaning they
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don't get a WARRAN, they just go ahead just buy
it and then have an AI driven system with human oversight.
So they say, but according to the findings and reports
from four oh four media, that's not really the case.
I'm imagining there's a human sitting there as is bringing
up information.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Yeah, I don't think many questions are being asked.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
No, they're not actually going through it to be like
is this research right? Do I need to look it up?
Let's see what this is? Information is correct, misinformation and disinformation.
So that's one of the systems that they use. The
Investigative Case Management Platform or ICM A used by DHS.
It literally is just a file of information. Like if
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you've done case management, you know you have to get
all this data and collect information, but it shows how
you went about things. Essentially, it just logs how you're
doing things and what you're doing with some of the information.
But for this system, it does much more, including the
investigative portions. So whatever information they have in that file,
they're using it to investigate eve as the evidence for
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finding people or are locking people up. And yes, this
is solely done by Palenteer.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
There's no other hands to this.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Palenteer's the main source here, which also access to a
lot of the federal database as well as some private ones.
So Palenteer has all the information, all the information, to
be fair, so does Elon Musk and DOGE. So they
have all this information for no reason other than case management.
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And there's quite a bit more, like we said, including
the fact that there's a thirty million dollar contract that
was secured by Palenteer with the government that started in
twenty twenty five just to upgrade the existing systems, but
also to help get new inventory of information, including the
tip off process, meaning when they're getting people calling in
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like the teacher who was very angry that there was
an immigrant child in her class that was just there
because they were.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
An immigrant anyway.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
And this contract doesn't end until twenty twenty seven, and honestly,
I don't know we know with ending of contracts, that
doesn't mean it's ending, but something probably new, bad is
happening because we know this current administration will still be
in office in twenty twenty seven. Maybe by that point
we'll have a midterm turnaround on can know, crossing fingers, oh,
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and BT dubs. Since ICE has been placed at airports, yeah,
TSA has also given many a tips. I believe eighty
thousand tips, which has led to eight hundred arrests.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
No, it might be more.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Than that, but it's a large amount of tips, and
they have led to eight hundred arrests.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
For people at airports.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
So it could just be simple of people coming in
trying to get yeah, refugee status.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yeah, there's a lot of people coming to airports from
all over.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
They might just be going from one place to the
next literally, But yeah, so that's happened too. So the TSA,
I don't know why they would do that. I feel
like that's more work for them when they don't have
time for this.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Yeah. Well there's a lot that came out of that
whole thing. But I know there were a lot of
pictures of ICE agents just like hanging out against pillars,
hanging out, not doing anything.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Just like I will say, they're not masked there.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
So that's something I did have somebody go to the
airport the other day day, being like two weeks ago,
a week ago, four hours, four hours get through security
and he said, they're a bunch of vice agents all about.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
They're not actually helping anything. That's the thing is like
they were sent to help ye, they're not qualifying.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
To do it.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
I know it's searching.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
They're just chilling literally out of Starbucks.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yeah, okay, anyway.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
So that's just a little bit of what we're seeing
when it comes to the technology being used. Again, we
know AI is something that this government has been pushing
pretty hard. Whether it's because they have some stakes in it.
Whether it's because they think it's going to make the
job market cheaper, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
We well, we do kind of know.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
But all that to say is this actually does help
the rich people stay rich, we know that, and to
keep marginalized people continually marginalized.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
So it's not too hard.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
To see why this type of technology is being used.
It's not because they're trying to keep up with the drums.
We know, we already know that. So with that part,
we're going to move on. We are going to talk
about what is happening and who is being targeted by
the administration. Who is being targeted by ICE right now.
In episode one, we talked about how Islamophobia was a driving.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Factor for the creation of DHS.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
It isn't a big surprise seeing how the current administration
has been both targeting and scapegoating the Muslim community today.
Some of the most intense ICE rays have been targeting
the Somalian community, specifically in Minnesota. The ugly smale campaign
against the community from the administration has been intense, between
conspiracy theories of daycares committing fraud, which, by the way
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I called it when I was like, it's really hard
to get a daycare license and to stay open. It's
really hard to fraud that, so that I'm kind of
surprised by this. I'm not saying it can't be done,
and there has been a few facilities that have shown fraud.
By the way, I believe the people who committing fraud
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were white women. Doesn't surprise me for some of those
cases that they are the owners of it. And there
have been a couple of cases in which I believe
a couple of people who are on visas did do
fraud based on food, but not based on daycare. So like, again,
like I said, working at a daycare center, I was like,
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and then working for working for a state government that
does also look at daycare centers and facilities and schools,
I was like, that's really kind of difficult. So I'm
kind of surprised by this situation.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Yeah, I called it. That's false.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
That dude who decided he was going to be like,
there's no children in there, they're locking people out. He's
been called out pretty hardcore for making crap up. I
say that rumor still out there and people still argue
they know he proved it. He proved it, and what
it did show is people being harassed, children being harassed
at daycare, so parents being scared for their children removing them.
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That has happened. So many daycares have closed because they
were targeted by people like this. And you know, we've
also seen the accusations of them eating pets. Also not
true to the point that local law enforcements have been
like there have been no reported cases. We have not
seen any cases in this realm. We don't know what
you're talking about. Okay, that was a Trump special, by
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the way, that was a Trump special.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Yep, it's one of his go tos.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Still don't understand, but that hasn't stopped them from terrorizing
and ice rating this community. So in the community of
South Saint Cloud, Minnesota, test and rallies were held in
opposition to ice rays, which has been happening since December
of twenty eventy five, even earlier under the operation Metro
Surge that's the name of it, because you know, which
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according to DHS, was quote the largest immigration enforcement operations
ever carried out.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
They're real proud of this. They're real proud of this,
by the way.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
And the operation is supposedly stopped in February twenty twenty six.
Literally there's ours like we're moving out. The person who
was in charge is gone. We're going to take them out.
But it's clear that many ICE officers are still there.
I am still seeing posts from Minnesota content creators talking
about protests are still happening, people are still being raided,
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there are things going down that they're trying to suppress.
In fact, the current ICE occupation of the state is
still being called Operation Metro Search, Like that's still what
it is called. So obviously it's still happening. And this
was a report by local news kare E eleven dot com,
so a live news there. I think of that our
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embassy affiliates. Thousands of federal agents descended on Minnesota during
Operation Metro Surge. And this was written in March of
twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
By the way, a.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Major reason why they were here in the first place
was to the port undocumented Somali immigrants after the President
called the Minnesota Somali community garbage in December.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
The report goes on to say that the actual amount
of Somali immigrants arrested was a lot lower than the
administration was hoping for. Quote new data released by the
Deportation Data Project shows that between December first, twenty twenty five,
to March tenth, twenty twenty six, less than three percent
of people who were arrested by federal agents during Operation
Metro Surge were Somali. This is what was expected. Majority
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of Somali Americans are US citizens, majority of Somali Americans
have legal status. Here, said Council on American Islamic Relations
Jailani Hussein. We knew, and we've said this in many
different ways that this operation, while it targeted Somali Americans,
was really going to focus on the larger Latin American population.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
And it was later reported in that same article that
the government actually increased the number of officers hoping to raise
the number of Somalis detained, which did not happen. So
they thought, oh, the problem here isn't that these Somalian
community people are actually legal. The problem is that we
don't have enough officers to get all of them.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
They were wrong.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Who does thought?
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Who do thought?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
I believe like it was up like ninety percent or more,
definitely more more than ninety percent of the Somali people
were actual citizens. And so again they were trying to
make something as if it was a big problem just
to be able to do something this horrendous, and with that,
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they tried to claim that they had been arresting quote
the worst of the worst. We've heard those repeatedly, criminals,
the worst criminals, the most violent criminals, gang members, all
these things. But statistics that less than a quarter, if
even that, of those detained had any record at all,
and at that violent and what I mean by violence
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felity records. So the Muslim community have been fearful of
what is happening with Ice rightly so. Just recently it
was reported that a well respected Muslim community leader was
detained in Milwaukee. Salasarsor was detained on March thirtieth by
ten maybe a dozen agents while driving, being labeled a
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terrorist without any actual proof. So I was looking through
all the different articles and there was no evidence of
anything saying that he was a terrorist outside of a
Republican political member saying he is an Islamic terrorist.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
And I'm like, wait, you know you have to get okay.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Anyway, from a PBS article, they write, Salasarsor, a Palestinian
born legal permanent resident of the United States, was taken
into custody by nearly a dozen US Immigration and Customs
enforcement agents who surrounded his car on Monday in Milwaukee
after he left his home. According to the Islamic Society
of Milwaukee, so as it says in the article, he
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is a legal permanent resident.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
He's been here, he is.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
He is a leader of the president of the largest
Islamic society in Milwaukee, in Temple, and many are saying
he was arrested because of his statements in regards to
this genocide of the Palestinians.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
He is Palestinian, of course he's.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Going to be speaking out about this, and many manificials
have been calling for his release. But again there's not
any updates since his arrest. So this is one of
the many conversations that we're having about who is being
targeted and why ICE is the one that's going after them.
Why did ICE go after him? This has nothing to
you know, So it's very concerning about this conversation in general,
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and with the Muslims talking about being persecuted, this makes
a lot more sense. And with the scapegoating of Iran
right now and having this war. Although iron and they're
lego videos.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Any have you seen any of those? No, drama.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
How to send you some Iran is trying to out
social media the US, and I think they're doing it.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
But anyway, I digress, going back to.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Is an obvious target to against the Muslim community again,
and they're not winning.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
They're not doing well. Even though you know this adage
has worked before.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
It's kind of backtracking because people are trying to figure
out why, what is happening? Why are you targeting them?
There are obviously a lot of them are refugees. Also,
we see the fact that they have now backtracked and
taken the temporary status for many refugees who have been
granted asylum here for this very reason.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
So there's a lot to that.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
But as they said before in the article, they're actually
just going after the Latino community, which they knew that
this was a farce to get to them as well.
So a majority of the people they did arrest in
these areas are from the Latino community. As more and
more reports come out on who is being pursued and profiled,
it can't be ignored that the Latino community has been
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largely impacted by these raids and policies. Business owners, small
business owners, individuals, and so much more. Have been shutting
their doors and activities in fear of the onslaught of
raids occurring in this country. Many have secluded themselves in
their homes, isolating away from anybody, including taking children out
of schools in fear of being deported or detained. So
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much so that nonprofits and mutual aid groups have stepped
into a system in their day to day lives, including
getting groceries and food, getting services to them.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
So much more.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
I've seen where content influencers who are like dog related
or pet related, helping to get food to them pet
related food because there have been so many animals and
pets being abandoned. We've seen that a lot, whether it's
because they got deported, whether it's because they are fearful
of being deported. Like so many things have happened. Mental
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health services have talked about how the overall impact for
the community has been harsh and how many have felt
a loss of self and overall higher levels of anxiety
due to these types of raids. Their studies happening right
now and currently trying to evaluate what this is doing
to the community overall and their health in general.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
And it's bad.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Like Harvard has already started their studies, Like I hate
that this is the moment of like, well, we're gonna
get good information.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Yeah, yeah, And it's not just a dramatic take. The
targeting of the Latino community is evident and on purpose.
From a local NYC news report from abcynny dot com,
they write, quote, a new report released by the New
York Immigration Coalition finds that agents with ICE unfairly target Latinos.
(29:59):
According to research from the Coalition and the University of Colorado,
nearly three and four people arrested by ICE agents or Latino.
The report says, approximately seventy percent of those arrested by
ICE have no criminal conviction or previous record.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Right again, it.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Is they're going after a target abound people. After that's
Supreme Court allowed for racial profiling. We know that a
chunk of the people are going to be of the
Latin community and ethnicity. And though we're only highlighting a
couple of the communities, we do want to say that
it isn't just the Muslim in Latin communities who are
(30:41):
being affected and who are being tormented by ICE in
this administration and being targeted. There's a lot of political
motivations on who is being detained, as we talked about
with the Palacinian leader who was arrested, they are targeting
a lot of people who are vocally opposing some of
the decisions of the current administration. They've gone after people
who they have noted as being content creators or influencers.
(31:02):
They've gone after reporters, They've gone after educators who are
writing data or getting information about these types of targeting
and profiling all these things. We have seen people who
have been protesting for Gaza being arrested, or their citizenship
being revoked, their visas being revoked so they can be arrested.
(31:23):
We're seeing people being hunted down, of people being stalked,
all these things.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
So it's not just these communities.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
But of course we're also noting that it is largely
these communities.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
So both those things go hand in hand.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
But we are going to talk a little more about
the people who are being oppressed and when it comes
to being vocal and using their first minute right, but
when con that that later because this is stretching out
to be forever. But anyway, we also want to address
the fact that it's not just immigrants who are being detained. Again,
it's was a legal citizen, a resident here, but also
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US citizens. According to the reports from October twenty twenty five,
at least one hundred and seventy US citizens have been detained. Again,
this is from October. I could not find newer information.
They're doing really good at locking down some of this information.
By the way, and here's some information from Pro Publica,
who's been doing a lot of good reporting. Americans have
been dragged, tackled, beaten, tased and shot by immigration agents.
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They've had their next nil don They've been held outside
in the rain while in their underwear. At least three
citizens were pregnant when agents detained them.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
One of those women.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Who already had the door of her home blown off
while Department of Home and Security Secretaries Christine Nooman watched.
At about two dozen Americans have said they were held
for more than a day without being able to phone
lawyers or loved ones, so they continue.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
In this article. Because this is a long article.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
We compiled and reviewed every case we could find of
agents holding citizens against their will, whether doing immigration raids
or protests. While the tally is almost certainly incomplete, we
found more than one hundred and seventy such citizens during
the first nine months of President Donald Trump's second administration.
Among the citizens detained are nearly twenty children, including two
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with cancer.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
That includes four who were held for weeks with.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Their undocumented mother and without access to their family's attorney
until a congresswoman intervened. We've also seen public officials and
political officials being arrested and detained for a couple of days.
We see that happen two So a chunk of these
people arrested and may have been targeted again due to
protesting or even just observing, but they were being labeled
(33:40):
as harassers or they were hindering arrests quote unquote, some
people just filming was hindering. Again, just filming means they
also got shot. So again we'll talk about that then.
(34:02):
And that actually brings us to the next topic of
deaths of detainees, which I'm sorry, y'all, Oh, yeah, I
have to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Yeah. So first, in twenty twenty five alone, thirty two
people have died in ice custody, the most deaths in
more than two decades. From a Guardian article released in
January of twenty twenty six, quote, thirty two people died
in immigration and Customs Enforcement ice custody in twenty twenty five,
making it the agency's deadliest year and more than two decades,
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as the Trump administration moved to detain a record number
of people. Some of those who died in detention had
arrived in the US recently seeking asylum. Others had arrived
years ago, some as young children. Some had been apprehended
on criminal charges or had served time for convictions. Others
had been picked up in the administration's indiscriminate ice raids.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Right So, since then January twenty twenty six, there has
been recorded fifteen deaths in the detention centers. As of
April seventh. This is one of those pieces where I
had one information and then they're like, oh, we have
to update, we have to add new death.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
And a bit more.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
From the Kaiser Family Foundation, which is an independent research
and polling organization, they write a total of thirty two
deaths among ice in ice custody or detention between January
twenty twenty five and March twenty twenty six were among
people with existing medical conditions who appear to experience worsening
health complications contributing to their death, while the remaining share
(35:35):
were reported as due to suicide or other causes. That's
really upsetting. But all of these deaths and then we
like other causes. I'm like, excuse me, what is other
other causes?
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (35:52):
And with that, there has been allegations that ICE officers
have been betting on detainees dying by suicide. Again, this
is just an allegation from a recent article in MSN
dot com. They write, a former detainee has alleged that
guards at the US's largest immigration detention center that five
hundred dollars on which detainee would die by suicide next,
(36:14):
claims denied by the Department of Homeland Security. The facility
Camp East Montana, has recorded three deaths in forty four
days and were recently found to have forty nine major
safety violations in an internal ICE audit, so within their
own audit. So I can't imagine beyond that. It goes
on amid mounting political pressure and contractor changes. Calls for
(36:38):
full federal investigation and possible closures are intensifying. I don't
want a federal I want to outside. I want outside
ACLU level law for u WIN level of audits. I
do not trust the federal level at this point, Oh.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
No, no way.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
So in our next episode we will dig deeper into
what is happening within the detention centers and how many
have called out the organizations for the lack of health
care and safety within the centers. But yes, there are
a lot of concerns about debts due to the lack
of access to any type of healthcare for those who
may be sick or have injuries while they are currently
(37:22):
reports are showing that the facilities have been more than
lacking when it comes to providing care for people being detained.
So in another report by NBC dot Com, they talk
about some of the deaths that have occurred in twenty
twenty six. They write, the tinted facilities known as Camp
East Montana, have had a troubled history, starting with a
fatal construction accident and three Detaine deaths in less than
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six weeks, one of which was ruled a homicide. There
have also been outbreaks of both tuberculosis and measles.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
What the hell?
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Yeah? What years?
Speaker 3 (38:01):
What years? This well?
Speaker 2 (38:04):
So they continue with a quote from an official from
the Mexico Foreign Ministry. They say four Mexican nationals have died,
apparently due to medical complications, highlighting a pattern of persistent
structural deficiencies. Vanessa Calvo Ruez, the Director General of Consular
Protection and Strategic Planning, said the reoccurrence and frequencies of
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these deaths are absolutely unacceptable. So some of these deaths
are due to medical neglect, like from those with diabetes, hypertension,
and asthma. We're going to talk a little more about
the women and the ditention centers in the next episode
as well. This is why it's taking so long of
(38:47):
a process and getting all this information because it's so
disturbing and we're getting more and more information, including the
fact that they're having pregnant only facilities, but they're not
actually getting care to those facilities, which is really concerning. Also,
there have been allegations about whether or not they were
pregnant before they were detained, and that some of these
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are minors, and so I don't know because I haven't
seen reports. Again, like I said, we'll talk a little
more bit about it. But desk due to pregnancy complications,
I don't know if we have those numbers, but we'll
be coming back to that as well. Again, some of
these deaths are even more suspicious again, homicide one case,
(39:32):
the death of mister Luna's compost has sparked a lot
of concern and outcry as the explanation of his death
does not make sense. So this was a report by
American Immigration Council dot org. They write, initially I stated
mister Luna's compost experienced the medical emergency after becoming quote disruptive,
but soon after the El Paso County Medical Examiner ruled
(39:54):
his death was a homicide arising from asphyxia due to
neck and torso compression. DHS then attempted to blame his
death on attempted suicide. According to reporting, a witness said
mister Luna's complice was handcuffed while at least five guards
held him down and when guard squeezed his neck until
he was unconscious. So this is not the only report
(40:17):
of it being suspicious death and whether or not this
could have been possible that it was die by suicide.
The reports again are just difficult to get and incomplete
to say the least. And honestly, I know I don't
want to end with such a bleak ending, but it
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doesn't seem to be getting better, and the death toll
keith rising. Literally like I said, the latest death happened
was reported not as that happened was reported yesterday, April
seventh of twenty twenty six. So I know as we
keep going, the numbers continue to rise as the medical
neglect continues to happen. I read complaints of people not
being able to get their glasses and they can't see
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again their medications for different types of elements, including diabetes,
which is quite important. They're not getting food to help
onset diabetes, so people who need more sugar, hyperglycemia, hypoke lastmia,
all these things. It is very concerning. People are being
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isolated to the point that they are not able to
get to anybody. They don't see anybody to ask a
request for this medication. People are talking about hypothermia within
these facilities as well, and I'm guessing we're kind to
come up to heat stroke soon enough, which has already
been a conversation. Recently, we've seen outbreaks of measles in
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areas that are children only. Like You're like, what is happening?
So there's a lot to be said in this conversation.
But there are people who are fighting obviously. This is
why we are able to get some of this information
and we're going to get this information as much as
we can, and so we always list a few of
these organizations out. The ACLU has been doing. No matter
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what you may think of the ACLU and how big
they are, they have been doing a lot of the
work carefully watching different parts of DHLS. Like we said,
they've been recording to see what was happening with Pollenteer,
which is a big set off. Like I knew nothing
about Pollenteer until not too long ago. So for that
fact that they've been looking at them since twenty eleven
says a lot that they are trying to keep an
(42:27):
eye on things. They're also the ones that are taking
a lot of these cases to court to fight some
of these bad policies and overturn some of these bad policies,
getting people released if they have been detained, trying to
get them a hearing to begin with. So ACLU has
done a lot of that. We have seen publications like Wired,
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who was focused pretty hardcore on what's happening with Ice,
really appreciate that Pro Publica has made a stance and
has made a stance very loudly that they would continue
to investigate what has happened there. Those that they associated
press who have been able to get some information through
different types of documents and some whistle blowers, so we
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know that that is happening as well. Grassroots organizations have
been working hard to fire against some of these things.
I've seen different organizations who are on the ground, like
literally at detention centers when someone is released, to be
able to give them clothing, because they are oftentimes released
without proper clothing, maybe not even shoes there. We've seen
(43:29):
a case where an elderly blind man, sick man was
dropped off in the middle of nowhere and died because
he could not get anybody's assistance because Ice was that
cruel in releasing him. So we have organizations that are
actually there helping to make sure that they can get them.
We have organizations that are actually there helping families go
see some of the detainees.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Apparently we'll talk a little bit about this too.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
Some of the facilities have made it so impossible for
families to get in contact with those detain literally like
strict dress codes telling people who are wearing skirts, you
can't wear that in here, and turning them away, knowing
that they have a small window when they can even
visit them, so trying to limit access for detainees.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
To see people outside.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
So organizations have been there with clothes to help them
change quickly to go into there because they've been watching
what's happening. I cannot believe this is the thing, but
organizations like that are what is helping fight against inhumane
efforts like ICE. There was a Reddit post which I
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really love to see who that was asking, I'm really
you know, discouraged, what can we do? And one redditor
was like, I got your back. Their title was fur
tea so f u rt dearborn eighteen seventy one, very
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long reddit name. They had a whole list of grassroots organizations.
They listed organizations from New Orleans, Minnesota, Chicago, Louisiana, and
New York, North Carolina that that people can support, and
then they listed all organizations like Black Alliance for Just Immigration,
Midwest Immigration Fund, and so many more. So shout out
(45:18):
to them whoever they were, because they did some good
work and trying to answer some of these questions. I
love when things like that happened, Like redd It's like, yeah,
here you go, but yeah, there are things out there.
There are people out there who are doing good work,
and we do want to acknowledge that, and without them
keeping people accountable, keeping records, historical records would be impossible.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
So shout out to all of them.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
And we are trying to wrap up this segment, but yeah,
we're going to have more parts.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
It's just too much.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
This administration is in a constant state of chaos, especially
when it comes to immigration, any worldwide issues. Actually, I
feel like there's no caveat This administration is in chaos.
And with that, go ahead and put content warning here.
We are going to talk about death, suicide, disease, all
the ugliness of the administration when it comes to ice
(00:49):
and immigration. Also, go ahead and time stamp it. Today
is April eighth, twenty twenty six. Things are ever changing. Literally,
I had to rearrange some of this outlined because I
realized I didn't have the most updated information as in
like it was released yesterday with new numbers, and I
was like, well, yeah, I'm frustrated. Yeah, so I know
(01:16):
that this is a very current affairs episode of very
current affairs that I feel like when it comes when
we come back to this, whether it's generations from now,
whether it's two years from now, whether it's two weeks
from now, it's going to be a lot and it's
going to be a really dark part of our history
(01:36):
that we need to remember, so leave it at all
at that. So before we do jump in to the
newer topics, even though again this is all about ICE
and how DHS and CBP have been working in the
United States a little bit outside of the United States honestly,
but we're not going to get into it here. We
will talk about it, but not in this episode. We
(01:59):
didn't want to go back to our last discussion about
the surveillance stuff about the privacies that are being violated
because the government decided to ask specific social media accounts
or holders owners to give information and they did. They
buckled so quickly without any actual threats. Google, discord and
(02:25):
Meta just a fuse name and we will keep naming.
But we did want to talk about outside of that,
some of the data collecting that ICE and DHS has
been able to get or pay for. So yeah, let's
jump into the technology that they're using. And this is
not all of it, because honestly, they're spending money like
(02:47):
we have tons of it, and not that we have
like billions of dollars in deficit as the value of
our dollar is going down. I don't know how we're
doing that, but they're doing it, spending it like there
ain't no tomorrow, and honestly, maybe not, maybe not, who
knows anyway?
Speaker 3 (03:05):
With that.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Currently, it's being reported that ICE and DHS have been
using different types of technology to not only keep tabs
on citizens and non citizens alike, but they're using systems
like Microsoft and a Zure to get data through AI
or cloud systems. This whole fictional system that never existed
till about ten years ago to our knowledge, have finally
(03:28):
come through and been like, yeah, this is going to
be great.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
For the government's usage, let's use this stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
They are also going through their own systems, which include
health data like Medicaid information, to hunt down people. So
they're scrapping their own information that is only supposed to
be used for health access to go after people and
hunt people down. Here's a bit from an article from
ABC affiliate in Washington abcseven dot com. They write, and
(03:56):
I think this is from twenty twenty five, so not
that long ago, but for some reason, with as fast
as information as we're getting, it feels a little dated,
you know. But they write, Immigration and Customs enforcement officials
will be given access to the personal data of a
nation's seventy nine million Medicaid enrollees, including home addresses and ethnicities,
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to track down immigrants who may not be living legally
in the United States, according to an agreement attained by
the Associated Press.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
And it continues explaining what type of access they will
be given. Quote the database will reveal to ICE officials
the names, addresses, birth dates, ethnic and racial information, as
well as social security numbers for all people enrolled in Medicaid.
The state and federally funded program provides healthcare coverage program
for the poorest of people, including millions of children.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Now, the access was limited, with it stating that they
are not allowed to download the information, but was only
given a specific amount of time and date to access
that information. And the information does cover both immigrants who've
been granted stays in the US, so they've been given visas,
they've been given clearances, and those who may not but
are giving coverage for emergency situations, many of which are children.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
As we said, So.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
When I say that they can't download it, literally, they're like,
you're allowed from Monday to Saturday, from this time to
this time to look at this. Let's be real honest, though,
are they trustworthy enough to say that they're not actually
downloading these systems? I don't know, because they sure do.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Love to lie.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
But with all that, they've also been able to access
information through private systems like Flock, who we mentioned in
the last episode and I told you was pointing at
my house.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Not a fan, No, not a fan.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Flock is an Atlanta based private tech firm that has
contracts with many local law enforcements and has made a
giant profit off of installing surveillance cameras that are used
for automated license plate reading. Just pick up that license plate,
get all that information, and save it.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
They say they don't save it. They say the.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Data belongs to the owners. But obviously they can't be
true if it's in their system and we can't ask
them to take it off and we have no rights
to that system. But okay, moving on, and already we've
seen many headlines about how local law enforcement have handed
(06:27):
over information to the large federal agencies like ICE for
their usage. Even though Flock has told many of people
and many of reporters that they do not work with ICE,
it's very clear that their.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Data is being used by them.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
So the circumventing and the like tossing of the language
is an obvious The turrent saying being like, oh no,
but we don't have a contact with them doesn't actually
mean they're not working with them, whether it's by choice
or not, by their specific choice or not. Not only that,
but many YouTubers and I've seen some of these YouTube
(07:04):
videos and hackers have shown how easy it is to
get into these systems. Literally you just press the button
three times and it resets and allows you to access
their system as In fact, some of the passwords were
as simple as one, two, three.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Yeah. You would think a tech firm should know better.
You would think you would think.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
There's also talks about how predatory the company is by
installing cameras in locations and demanding pay even if they
have not been requested to be put up in those areas.
Literally they put them up anyway, and they like, we
got you a service.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Pay us.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
As a reminder, Atlanta is one of the most surveilled
areas in the nation, even more so maybe in the world.
Like it's like, the amount of cameras to the amount
of population that is there is unreal. The ratio doesn't
make sense. Again one is pointed at my house. I'm
(08:10):
going to say that a lot. So we need to
complete this down. And also it should be noted this company,
it came out of nowhere and profited very quickly. I
did read an article in which they had a whole
sit down with a small city in Georgia. Dunwoodie is
(08:31):
a little outside of Atlanta, and there are many people
who were asking for these flock cameras to be gone
and saying that this is a violation of privacy because
there are in the private areas.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I will say that.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
And so the city actually deferred the contract. They didn't
cut ties with them, they just deferred because so many
people didn't like them. They're still there and they are
still being used. Just as an FYI. Also, local law
enforcements will tell you, you know, we're not doing anything
(09:05):
bad with these things.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
It's just preventative.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
As a reminder, we talked about that federal article that
is being used to make local law enforcements cooperate and
work with ICE because they have units in and in
the state of Georgia. They are required by our governor.
He signed a whole policy forcing law enforcements to have
to work with ICE. So none of the cities have
(09:29):
a choice because by state law that Governor Kemp decided
to put in place, they have to abide. This was
a big thing about in Cobb County, which is slowly
turning blue, which they were already upset about because they
didn't want ICE to be a part of obviously law
enforcement at all. They are, but the Sheriff's office was like,
(09:51):
we have to. This is something that Kemp has put
in place. Passing the book is what our favorite game.
But just as a reminder, and again, since flock is
used by local law enforcement, guess who has access to that?
You are correct, Ice, but they're not the only company
being used here in this type of man hunt. Palenteer
(10:13):
if you know you know which every time we talk
about Palenteering in my house, the first thing is that
is that's the obvious villain evil within Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
That's so funny because I was gonna say duchess and dragons,
paladd but that's true. That's also good.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Yes, all of.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Those things are aligned because Peter Till is obnoxious.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
But moving on.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Yes, so Palenteer a company where the CEO is outright
very loud about its support and assistance in the current
administration and actually been a big help in the way
Ice has been able to kidnap people all across the country.
Like this isn't obvious, Peter Till is what meaning people
(11:00):
will say is the reason JD. Vance became such a
sycophant for Trump as well and maybe leading up to
even more conservative ties. Peter Till was also recorded as
saying if people died, oh, well that's how it goes. Yeah,
he's a terrible guy, terrible person, terrible founder of the company.
(11:22):
They also have aligned and have contracts with the federal government,
so so much so that organizations like the ACLU have
been keeping tabs on this specific company for a while,
I mean since twenty eleven. According to their own articles,
pllenteers sketchy tactics like risk assessment database that keeps quote
threat scores so they predict who could be a criminal
(11:47):
I guess, to data targeting of individuals. The ACLU has
been watching with growing concerns of how Polunteer has been
implementing their tactics in the government today.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yes, and here's a bit from ACLU dot com written
in March of twenty twenty six. Quote Over the years,
the company seems to have been involved in opaque ways
with US security and other agencies in a period when
those agencies really began exploring ways to use newly available
mass surveillance data and analytics to achieve various goals. Now
(12:20):
the company's involvement in questionable government uses of mass data
has reached a new level of clarity, with Amnesty International
calling out the company's responsibility under United Nations Human Rights
principles to immediately cease their work with the Trump deportation program.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Right, so, they're so bad that the UN has called
them out as a company to be like a you
need to stop.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
You need to stop.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
In the same article the list of some of the
problems they were able to obtain, even though they do
note that due to the level of secrecy and overall
lack of transparency, it is a bit difficult to pinpoint
the depth of the involvement of the company with the
dealings with the government, but the rumor seems to point
to the again the company and its founder Peter Till
(13:06):
as a main character in this whole situation, Like he
is a big bad in this whole situation.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Okay, but coming back to.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Their list specifically, We're not going to go off the
whole list, but we just really wanted to mention a
couple of things that they have tracked.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
They talk about the usage of the ELITE.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
System, meaning like they use the acronym ELITE, which is
Enhanced Least Identification and Targeting for Enforcement, which is quote
used in immigration enforcement operations for identifying and prioritizing high
value targets through advance and analytics as In fact, the
user guide puts it as that the system is used
(13:46):
with the idea that not only can they get one target,
a high profile target, but that it will lead to
a target rich area. And they get all this information
using sensitive data from the Department of Human Health Services
as well as the US Citizenship and Immigration Services, and
they do so by illegally buying data, so meaning they
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don't get a WARRAN, they just go ahead just buy
it and then have an AI driven system with human oversight.
So they say, but according to the findings and reports
from four oh four media, that's not really the case.
I'm imagining there's a human sitting there as is bringing
up information.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Yeah, I don't think many questions are being asked.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
No, they're not actually going through it to be like
is this research right? Do I need to look it up?
Let's see what this is? Information is correct, misinformation and disinformation.
So that's one of the systems that they use. The
Investigative Case Management Platform or ICM A used by DHS.
It literally is just a file of information. Like if
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you've done case management, you know you have to get
all this data and collect information, but it shows how
you went about things. Essentially, it just logs how you're
doing things and what you're doing with some of the information.
But for this system, it does much more, including the
investigative portions. So whatever information they have in that file,
they're using it to investigate eve as the evidence for
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finding people or are locking people up. And yes, this
is solely done by Palenteer.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
There's no other hands to this.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Palenteer's the main source here, which also access to a
lot of the federal database as well as some private ones.
So Palenteer has all the information, all the information, to
be fair, so does Elon Musk and DOGE. So they
have all this information for no reason other than case management.
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And there's quite a bit more, like we said, including
the fact that there's a thirty million dollar contract that
was secured by Palenteer with the government that started in
twenty twenty five just to upgrade the existing systems, but
also to help get new inventory of information, including the
tip off process, meaning when they're getting people calling in
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like the teacher who was very angry that there was
an immigrant child in her class that was just there
because they were.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
An immigrant anyway.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
And this contract doesn't end until twenty twenty seven, and honestly,
I don't know we know with ending of contracts, that
doesn't mean it's ending, but something probably new, bad is
happening because we know this current administration will still be
in office in twenty twenty seven. Maybe by that point
we'll have a midterm turnaround on can know, crossing fingers, oh,
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and BT dubs. Since ICE has been placed at airports, yeah,
TSA has also given many a tips. I believe eighty
thousand tips, which has led to eight hundred arrests.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
No, it might be more.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Than that, but it's a large amount of tips, and
they have led to eight hundred arrests.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
For people at airports.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
So it could just be simple of people coming in
trying to get yeah, refugee status.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yeah, there's a lot of people coming to airports from
all over.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
They might just be going from one place to the
next literally, But yeah, so that's happened too. So the TSA,
I don't know why they would do that. I feel
like that's more work for them when they don't have
time for this.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Yeah. Well there's a lot that came out of that
whole thing. But I know there were a lot of
pictures of ICE agents just like hanging out against pillars,
hanging out, not doing anything.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Just like I will say, they're not masked there.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
So that's something I did have somebody go to the
airport the other day day, being like two weeks ago,
a week ago, four hours, four hours get through security
and he said, they're a bunch of vice agents all about.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
They're not actually helping anything. That's the thing is like
they were sent to help ye, they're not qualifying.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
To do it.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
I know it's searching.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
They're just chilling literally out of Starbucks.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yeah, okay, anyway.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
So that's just a little bit of what we're seeing
when it comes to the technology being used. Again, we
know AI is something that this government has been pushing
pretty hard. Whether it's because they have some stakes in it.
Whether it's because they think it's going to make the
job market cheaper, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
We well, we do kind of know.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
But all that to say is this actually does help
the rich people stay rich, we know that, and to
keep marginalized people continually marginalized.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
So it's not too hard.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
To see why this type of technology is being used.
It's not because they're trying to keep up with the drums.
We know, we already know that. So with that part,
we're going to move on. We are going to talk
about what is happening and who is being targeted by
the administration. Who is being targeted by ICE right now.
In episode one, we talked about how Islamophobia was a driving.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Factor for the creation of DHS.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
It isn't a big surprise seeing how the current administration
has been both targeting and scapegoating the Muslim community today.
Some of the most intense ICE rays have been targeting
the Somalian community, specifically in Minnesota. The ugly smale campaign
against the community from the administration has been intense, between
conspiracy theories of daycares committing fraud, which, by the way
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I called it when I was like, it's really hard
to get a daycare license and to stay open. It's
really hard to fraud that, so that I'm kind of
surprised by this. I'm not saying it can't be done,
and there has been a few facilities that have shown fraud.
By the way, I believe the people who committing fraud
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were white women. Doesn't surprise me for some of those
cases that they are the owners of it. And there
have been a couple of cases in which I believe
a couple of people who are on visas did do
fraud based on food, but not based on daycare. So like, again,
like I said, working at a daycare center, I was like,
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and then working for working for a state government that
does also look at daycare centers and facilities and schools,
I was like, that's really kind of difficult. So I'm
kind of surprised by this situation.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Yeah, I called it. That's false.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
That dude who decided he was going to be like,
there's no children in there, they're locking people out. He's
been called out pretty hardcore for making crap up. I
say that rumor still out there and people still argue
they know he proved it. He proved it, and what
it did show is people being harassed, children being harassed
at daycare, so parents being scared for their children removing them.
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That has happened. So many daycares have closed because they
were targeted by people like this. And you know, we've
also seen the accusations of them eating pets. Also not
true to the point that local law enforcements have been
like there have been no reported cases. We have not
seen any cases in this realm. We don't know what
you're talking about. Okay, that was a Trump special, by
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the way, that was a Trump special.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Yep, it's one of his go tos.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Still don't understand, but that hasn't stopped them from terrorizing
and ice rating this community. So in the community of
South Saint Cloud, Minnesota, test and rallies were held in
opposition to ice rays, which has been happening since December
of twenty eventy five, even earlier under the operation Metro
Surge that's the name of it, because you know, which
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according to DHS, was quote the largest immigration enforcement operations
ever carried out.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
They're real proud of this. They're real proud of this,
by the way.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
And the operation is supposedly stopped in February twenty twenty six.
Literally there's ours like we're moving out. The person who
was in charge is gone. We're going to take them out.
But it's clear that many ICE officers are still there.
I am still seeing posts from Minnesota content creators talking
about protests are still happening, people are still being raided,
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there are things going down that they're trying to suppress.
In fact, the current ICE occupation of the state is
still being called Operation Metro Search, Like that's still what
it is called. So obviously it's still happening. And this
was a report by local news kare E eleven dot com,
so a live news there. I think of that our
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embassy affiliates. Thousands of federal agents descended on Minnesota during
Operation Metro Surge. And this was written in March of
twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
By the way, a.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Major reason why they were here in the first place
was to the port undocumented Somali immigrants after the President
called the Minnesota Somali community garbage in December.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
The report goes on to say that the actual amount
of Somali immigrants arrested was a lot lower than the
administration was hoping for. Quote new data released by the
Deportation Data Project shows that between December first, twenty twenty five,
to March tenth, twenty twenty six, less than three percent
of people who were arrested by federal agents during Operation
Metro Surge were Somali. This is what was expected. Majority
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of Somali Americans are US citizens, majority of Somali Americans
have legal status. Here, said Council on American Islamic Relations
Jailani Hussein. We knew, and we've said this in many
different ways that this operation, while it targeted Somali Americans,
was really going to focus on the larger Latin American population.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
And it was later reported in that same article that
the government actually increased the number of officers hoping to raise
the number of Somalis detained, which did not happen. So
they thought, oh, the problem here isn't that these Somalian
community people are actually legal. The problem is that we
don't have enough officers to get all of them.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
They were wrong.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Who does thought?
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Who do thought?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
I believe like it was up like ninety percent or more,
definitely more more than ninety percent of the Somali people
were actual citizens. And so again they were trying to
make something as if it was a big problem just
to be able to do something this horrendous, and with that,
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they tried to claim that they had been arresting quote
the worst of the worst. We've heard those repeatedly, criminals,
the worst criminals, the most violent criminals, gang members, all
these things. But statistics that less than a quarter, if
even that, of those detained had any record at all,
and at that violent and what I mean by violence
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felity records. So the Muslim community have been fearful of
what is happening with Ice rightly so. Just recently it
was reported that a well respected Muslim community leader was
detained in Milwaukee. Salasarsor was detained on March thirtieth by
ten maybe a dozen agents while driving, being labeled a
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terrorist without any actual proof. So I was looking through
all the different articles and there was no evidence of
anything saying that he was a terrorist outside of a
Republican political member saying he is an Islamic terrorist.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
And I'm like, wait, you know you have to get okay.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Anyway, from a PBS article, they write, Salasarsor, a Palestinian
born legal permanent resident of the United States, was taken
into custody by nearly a dozen US Immigration and Customs
enforcement agents who surrounded his car on Monday in Milwaukee
after he left his home. According to the Islamic Society
of Milwaukee, so as it says in the article, he
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is a legal permanent resident.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
He's been here, he is.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
He is a leader of the president of the largest
Islamic society in Milwaukee, in Temple, and many are saying
he was arrested because of his statements in regards to
this genocide of the Palestinians.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
He is Palestinian, of course he's.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Going to be speaking out about this, and many manificials
have been calling for his release. But again there's not
any updates since his arrest. So this is one of
the many conversations that we're having about who is being
targeted and why ICE is the one that's going after them.
Why did ICE go after him? This has nothing to
you know, So it's very concerning about this conversation in general,
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and with the Muslims talking about being persecuted, this makes
a lot more sense. And with the scapegoating of Iran
right now and having this war. Although iron and they're
lego videos.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Any have you seen any of those? No, drama.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
How to send you some Iran is trying to out
social media the US, and I think they're doing it.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
But anyway, I digress, going back to.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Is an obvious target to against the Muslim community again,
and they're not winning.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
They're not doing well. Even though you know this adage
has worked before.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
It's kind of backtracking because people are trying to figure
out why, what is happening? Why are you targeting them?
There are obviously a lot of them are refugees. Also,
we see the fact that they have now backtracked and
taken the temporary status for many refugees who have been
granted asylum here for this very reason.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
So there's a lot to that.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
But as they said before in the article, they're actually
just going after the Latino community, which they knew that
this was a farce to get to them as well.
So a majority of the people they did arrest in
these areas are from the Latino community. As more and
more reports come out on who is being pursued and profiled,
it can't be ignored that the Latino community has been
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largely impacted by these raids and policies. Business owners, small
business owners, individuals, and so much more. Have been shutting
their doors and activities in fear of the onslaught of
raids occurring in this country. Many have secluded themselves in
their homes, isolating away from anybody, including taking children out
of schools in fear of being deported or detained. So
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much so that nonprofits and mutual aid groups have stepped
into a system in their day to day lives, including
getting groceries and food, getting services to them.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
So much more.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
I've seen where content influencers who are like dog related
or pet related, helping to get food to them pet
related food because there have been so many animals and
pets being abandoned. We've seen that a lot, whether it's
because they got deported, whether it's because they are fearful
of being deported. Like so many things have happened. Mental
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health services have talked about how the overall impact for
the community has been harsh and how many have felt
a loss of self and overall higher levels of anxiety
due to these types of raids. Their studies happening right
now and currently trying to evaluate what this is doing
to the community overall and their health in general.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
And it's bad.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Like Harvard has already started their studies, Like I hate
that this is the moment of like, well, we're gonna
get good information.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Yeah, yeah, And it's not just a dramatic take. The
targeting of the Latino community is evident and on purpose.
From a local NYC news report from abcynny dot com,
they write, quote, a new report released by the New
York Immigration Coalition finds that agents with ICE unfairly target Latinos.
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According to research from the Coalition and the University of Colorado,
nearly three and four people arrested by ICE agents or Latino.
The report says, approximately seventy percent of those arrested by
ICE have no criminal conviction or previous record.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Right again, it.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Is they're going after a target abound people. After that's
Supreme Court allowed for racial profiling. We know that a
chunk of the people are going to be of the
Latin community and ethnicity. And though we're only highlighting a
couple of the communities, we do want to say that
it isn't just the Muslim in Latin communities who are
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being affected and who are being tormented by ICE in
this administration and being targeted. There's a lot of political
motivations on who is being detained, as we talked about
with the Palacinian leader who was arrested, they are targeting
a lot of people who are vocally opposing some of
the decisions of the current administration. They've gone after people
who they have noted as being content creators or influencers.
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They've gone after reporters, They've gone after educators who are
writing data or getting information about these types of targeting
and profiling all these things. We have seen people who
have been protesting for Gaza being arrested, or their citizenship
being revoked, their visas being revoked so they can be arrested.
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We're seeing people being hunted down, of people being stalked,
all these things.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
So it's not just these communities.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
But of course we're also noting that it is largely
these communities.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
So both those things go hand in hand.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
But we are going to talk a little more about
the people who are being oppressed and when it comes
to being vocal and using their first minute right, but
when con that that later because this is stretching out
to be forever. But anyway, we also want to address
the fact that it's not just immigrants who are being detained. Again,
it's was a legal citizen, a resident here, but also
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US citizens. According to the reports from October twenty twenty five,
at least one hundred and seventy US citizens have been detained. Again,
this is from October. I could not find newer information.
They're doing really good at locking down some of this information.
By the way, and here's some information from Pro Publica,
who's been doing a lot of good reporting. Americans have
been dragged, tackled, beaten, tased and shot by immigration agents.
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They've had their next nil don They've been held outside
in the rain while in their underwear. At least three
citizens were pregnant when agents detained them.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
One of those women.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Who already had the door of her home blown off
while Department of Home and Security Secretaries Christine Nooman watched.
At about two dozen Americans have said they were held
for more than a day without being able to phone
lawyers or loved ones, so they continue.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
In this article. Because this is a long article.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
We compiled and reviewed every case we could find of
agents holding citizens against their will, whether doing immigration raids
or protests. While the tally is almost certainly incomplete, we
found more than one hundred and seventy such citizens during
the first nine months of President Donald Trump's second administration.
Among the citizens detained are nearly twenty children, including two
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with cancer.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
That includes four who were held for weeks with.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Their undocumented mother and without access to their family's attorney
until a congresswoman intervened. We've also seen public officials and
political officials being arrested and detained for a couple of days.
We see that happen two So a chunk of these
people arrested and may have been targeted again due to
protesting or even just observing, but they were being labeled
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as harassers or they were hindering arrests quote unquote, some
people just filming was hindering. Again, just filming means they
also got shot. So again we'll talk about that then.
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And that actually brings us to the next topic of
deaths of detainees, which I'm sorry, y'all, Oh, yeah, I
have to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Yeah. So first, in twenty twenty five alone, thirty two
people have died in ice custody, the most deaths in
more than two decades. From a Guardian article released in
January of twenty twenty six, quote, thirty two people died
in immigration and Customs Enforcement ice custody in twenty twenty five,
making it the agency's deadliest year and more than two decades,
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as the Trump administration moved to detain a record number
of people. Some of those who died in detention had
arrived in the US recently seeking asylum. Others had arrived
years ago, some as young children. Some had been apprehended
on criminal charges or had served time for convictions. Others
had been picked up in the administration's indiscriminate ice raids.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Right So, since then January twenty twenty six, there has
been recorded fifteen deaths in the detention centers. As of
April seventh. This is one of those pieces where I
had one information and then they're like, oh, we have
to update, we have to add new death.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
And a bit more.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
From the Kaiser Family Foundation, which is an independent research
and polling organization, they write a total of thirty two
deaths among ice in ice custody or detention between January
twenty twenty five and March twenty twenty six were among
people with existing medical conditions who appear to experience worsening
health complications contributing to their death, while the remaining share
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were reported as due to suicide or other causes. That's
really upsetting. But all of these deaths and then we
like other causes. I'm like, excuse me, what is other
other causes?
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (35:52):
And with that, there has been allegations that ICE officers
have been betting on detainees dying by suicide. Again, this
is just an allegation from a recent article in MSN
dot com. They write, a former detainee has alleged that
guards at the US's largest immigration detention center that five
hundred dollars on which detainee would die by suicide next,
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claims denied by the Department of Homeland Security. The facility
Camp East Montana, has recorded three deaths in forty four
days and were recently found to have forty nine major
safety violations in an internal ICE audit, so within their
own audit. So I can't imagine beyond that. It goes
on amid mounting political pressure and contractor changes. Calls for
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full federal investigation and possible closures are intensifying. I don't
want a federal I want to outside. I want outside
ACLU level law for u WIN level of audits. I
do not trust the federal level at this point, Oh.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
No, no way.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
So in our next episode we will dig deeper into
what is happening within the detention centers and how many
have called out the organizations for the lack of health
care and safety within the centers. But yes, there are
a lot of concerns about debts due to the lack
of access to any type of healthcare for those who
may be sick or have injuries while they are currently
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reports are showing that the facilities have been more than
lacking when it comes to providing care for people being detained.
So in another report by NBC dot Com, they talk
about some of the deaths that have occurred in twenty
twenty six. They write, the tinted facilities known as Camp
East Montana, have had a troubled history, starting with a
fatal construction accident and three Detaine deaths in less than
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six weeks, one of which was ruled a homicide. There
have also been outbreaks of both tuberculosis and measles.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
What the hell?
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Yeah? What years?
Speaker 3 (38:01):
What years? This well?
Speaker 2 (38:04):
So they continue with a quote from an official from
the Mexico Foreign Ministry. They say four Mexican nationals have died,
apparently due to medical complications, highlighting a pattern of persistent
structural deficiencies. Vanessa Calvo Ruez, the Director General of Consular
Protection and Strategic Planning, said the reoccurrence and frequencies of
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these deaths are absolutely unacceptable. So some of these deaths
are due to medical neglect, like from those with diabetes, hypertension,
and asthma. We're going to talk a little more about
the women and the ditention centers in the next episode
as well. This is why it's taking so long of
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a process and getting all this information because it's so
disturbing and we're getting more and more information, including the
fact that they're having pregnant only facilities, but they're not
actually getting care to those facilities, which is really concerning. Also,
there have been allegations about whether or not they were
pregnant before they were detained, and that some of these
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are minors, and so I don't know because I haven't
seen reports. Again, like I said, we'll talk a little
more bit about it. But desk due to pregnancy complications,
I don't know if we have those numbers, but we'll
be coming back to that as well. Again, some of
these deaths are even more suspicious again, homicide one case,
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the death of mister Luna's compost has sparked a lot
of concern and outcry as the explanation of his death
does not make sense. So this was a report by
American Immigration Council dot org. They write, initially I stated
mister Luna's compost experienced the medical emergency after becoming quote disruptive,
but soon after the El Paso County Medical Examiner ruled
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his death was a homicide arising from asphyxia due to
neck and torso compression. DHS then attempted to blame his
death on attempted suicide. According to reporting, a witness said
mister Luna's complice was handcuffed while at least five guards
held him down and when guard squeezed his neck until
he was unconscious. So this is not the only report
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of it being suspicious death and whether or not this
could have been possible that it was die by suicide.
The reports again are just difficult to get and incomplete
to say the least. And honestly, I know I don't
want to end with such a bleak ending, but it
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doesn't seem to be getting better, and the death toll
keith rising. Literally like I said, the latest death happened
was reported not as that happened was reported yesterday, April
seventh of twenty twenty six. So I know as we
keep going, the numbers continue to rise as the medical
neglect continues to happen. I read complaints of people not
being able to get their glasses and they can't see
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again their medications for different types of elements, including diabetes,
which is quite important. They're not getting food to help
onset diabetes, so people who need more sugar, hyperglycemia, hypoke lastmia,
all these things. It is very concerning. People are being
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isolated to the point that they are not able to
get to anybody. They don't see anybody to ask a
request for this medication. People are talking about hypothermia within
these facilities as well, and I'm guessing we're kind to
come up to heat stroke soon enough, which has already
been a conversation. Recently, we've seen outbreaks of measles in
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areas that are children only. Like You're like, what is happening?
So there's a lot to be said in this conversation.
But there are people who are fighting obviously. This is
why we are able to get some of this information
and we're going to get this information as much as
we can, and so we always list a few of
these organizations out. The ACLU has been doing. No matter
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what you may think of the ACLU and how big
they are, they have been doing a lot of the
work carefully watching different parts of DHLS. Like we said,
they've been recording to see what was happening with Pollenteer,
which is a big set off. Like I knew nothing
about Pollenteer until not too long ago. So for that
fact that they've been looking at them since twenty eleven
says a lot that they are trying to keep an
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eye on things. They're also the ones that are taking
a lot of these cases to court to fight some
of these bad policies and overturn some of these bad policies,
getting people released if they have been detained, trying to
get them a hearing to begin with. So ACLU has
done a lot of that. We have seen publications like Wired,
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who was focused pretty hardcore on what's happening with Ice,
really appreciate that Pro Publica has made a stance and
has made a stance very loudly that they would continue
to investigate what has happened there. Those that they associated
press who have been able to get some information through
different types of documents and some whistle blowers, so we
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know that that is happening as well. Grassroots organizations have
been working hard to fire against some of these things.
I've seen different organizations who are on the ground, like
literally at detention centers when someone is released, to be
able to give them clothing, because they are oftentimes released
without proper clothing, maybe not even shoes there. We've seen
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a case where an elderly blind man, sick man was
dropped off in the middle of nowhere and died because
he could not get anybody's assistance because Ice was that
cruel in releasing him. So we have organizations that are
actually there helping to make sure that they can get them.
We have organizations that are actually there helping families go
see some of the detainees.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Apparently we'll talk a little bit about this too.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
Some of the facilities have made it so impossible for
families to get in contact with those detain literally like
strict dress codes telling people who are wearing skirts, you
can't wear that in here, and turning them away, knowing
that they have a small window when they can even
visit them, so trying to limit access for detainees.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
To see people outside.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
So organizations have been there with clothes to help them
change quickly to go into there because they've been watching
what's happening. I cannot believe this is the thing, but
organizations like that are what is helping fight against inhumane
efforts like ICE. There was a Reddit post which I
(44:36):
really love to see who that was asking, I'm really
you know, discouraged, what can we do? And one redditor
was like, I got your back. Their title was fur
tea so f u rt dearborn eighteen seventy one, very
(44:57):
long reddit name. They had a whole list of grassroots organizations.
They listed organizations from New Orleans, Minnesota, Chicago, Louisiana, and
New York, North Carolina that that people can support, and
then they listed all organizations like Black Alliance for Just Immigration,
Midwest Immigration Fund, and so many more. So shout out
(45:18):
to them whoever they were, because they did some good
work and trying to answer some of these questions. I
love when things like that happened, Like redd It's like, yeah,
here you go, but yeah, there are things out there.
There are people out there who are doing good work,
and we do want to acknowledge that, and without them
keeping people accountable, keeping records, historical records would be impossible.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
So shout out to all of them.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
Yeah, because it's hard and often very painful work, but yes,
so so so important and listeners. As always, if you
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Speaker 3 (46:17):
Thank you and thanks to you for listening.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
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