February 2, 2026 • 17 mins
Where does the stereotype that women talk too much, and talk more than men, come from? Turns out there is a long history that we are still feeling to this day. We discuss in this classic episode.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I want my stuff.
I never told you a production by Heart Radio, and
today we are bringing back an episode that it was
inspired by something I recently mentioned, wherein I had a
(00:28):
good friend help me avoid my landlord recently. And what
happened was this, She was very kind and drove me
to and from my house for the holidays, and when
she was dropping me off, my landlord was outside of
my building and he was talking to someone very very enthusiastically,
(00:55):
like a lot of hand gestures and all of this,
and I said, listen here, he's going to be there
for a minute. And I have I had all these
gifts from Christmas, you know, And so I didn't want
to be going back and forth with heavy things because
he stopped me before and talked to me when I
was carrying heavy things and didn't seem to notice that
my arms were shaking. And it was a bad situation.
And so she said to me, all right, well, we'll
(01:19):
just sit here and we'll wait him out. This must
have gone on for ten minutes. He was going on
and on. We were trying to debate, like how we
could get around him, if we could help the person
he was talking to because I've been in this situation.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Like someone get me.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
I felt bad, but eventually he did. He meandered off
and we we like booked it into my apartment with
these items and Casey came back. But this reminded me
of an episode we did, but that was also at
the time inspired by him in part about.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Ever listens to our show one day, Oh, one day,
I'm in trouble.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I'm in trouble.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Hilarious.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Actually, I think I think I kind of have the
upper hand right now, that is what I will say.
But anyway, I was at the time when we recorded
this originally, I was complaining about how I think that
it's a lot of times not the truth, not the
case that women talk more than men, or at least
(02:30):
in that way, that you're just taking up somebody's time,
because it's always My mom used to get teased for
it a lot, like, oh, she's just chatting away. But
then when I would actually pay attention, it was usually
a man who she was just listening to patiently and
he was not picking up that she actually had things
to do. And so this episode was just an examination
(02:55):
of where did that that idea come from, that women
are the ones who are doing all of the talking,
so please enjoy this classic episode. Hey, this is Anny
and Samantha, and welcome to stef I never told you
a protection of iHeartRadio. And welcome to another episode of
(03:26):
Monday Minnie. I will say this is kind of a
surprise Monday Mini, because I had another topic planned and
it did not work out. You will hear about it
in an upcoming episode because it was just it needed
a whole episode. So this kind of came late to
me in the day yesterday as we're recording this, and
(03:46):
it's about I had to make a phone call listeners,
and if you know me, I hate talking on the phone.
I once said I would rather punch you, punch me
in the face than call me on the phone. I
hate it. I think the very worst thing has happened.
I cannot hear you. I am awkward. I do not
(04:07):
like it. So I had to talk on the phone
the other day. On top of this, I've been trying
to reach my mom and I haven't been able to
do it. But she's one of the few people I
do talk on the phone with, and as I was
calling her, I remembered kind of this teasing she got
(04:28):
when I was growing up that she talked on the
phone way too much. She always was on the phone,
Like there's a you know, popular story in my family
where my little brother once cut the phone cord because
he was so frustrated that she wasn't paying attention to him.
And it got me thinking about this trope about how
women talk too much, like they're always that they talk
(04:51):
way more than men. In this case, I was thinking
specifically about the phone. But I found some research on this.
But I will say this, this is going to be
a brief, broad explanation and it's more Western oriented, so
keep that in mind, so that there is probably a
lot more we could say about this. But in terms
(05:12):
of me just trying to understand this stereotype that was
used to kind of tease my mom, this is what
I found. So yeah, I found this history of like
the trope of why people think women talk too much
are that they talk more than men. We have done
episodes on women typically being the more social sex, like
(05:32):
having more friends, maintaining more relationships, and the societal reasons
why that is. Like if you remember in our Emotional
Labor episode, we talked about how often in heterosexual heteronormative relationships,
the woman is the one who keeps the contact with
the family the man's family up like she's doing it
(05:53):
for her family and his family. So there are reasons
why that might be. But I was just kind of
curious about this because I've heard her side of it,
and her side of it was always that it was
men she was talking to and that she's being very
polite with who did not pick up on her many
cues that the conversation was over, so she was like
(06:16):
being nice and they just kept going. And that reminded
me of several instances in my life that I've talked
about on the show, especially in a dating situation, where
you're like, I have not said a word this whole time,
and I would like to leave, please. I could put
a card cut out here and you'd be just as
well off. You would not notice I was gone, and
(06:37):
I could be doing something else. So I just started
I started thinking about it, and she's That's not to
say she doesn't have like conversations and sometimes the long
conversations with women in her life, but she's actually pretty good.
And sometimes I feel like this is my fault because
I'm always so busy and that's sort of a thing
(06:58):
that doesn't make me feel great. But she's pretty good
at being like, okay, this, we're done. You know, this
conversation has gone on. I can tell I have to
do stuff, you have to do stuff. That's how she
is with me, and I've heard her like that with
her sisters, her female friends. So I was just sort
of thinking about this, and especially in terms of like
(07:19):
kind of that very heteronormative joke of like the husband
being annoyed at his wife because they're late because she
was on the phone, or makeup and hair and all
that other stuff, but like, she was on the phone,
but at least in my experience, in this particular thing
that I'm thinking of, it was the men who were
(07:43):
talking that were keeping my mom and making her late.
So okay. The trope has a very long history. There
are multiple proverbs about it. A woman's tongue wags like
a lanced hill, never still, many women, many words, a
whole doll name chat Kathy, which I used to get
called that all the time, And I feel like I
(08:04):
didn't really sometimes sometimes I talked a lot, but I
feel like you're in general, I really did droughout history
a lot of literature paints strong men as quote silent
types who settle things with their fists, and women who
use their words as weapons. There has been an important
historical difference in the Western depiction of gendered talking. So
(08:26):
it's that men talk about quote, important stuff, women talk
about frivolous stuff. And this goes back to philosophers of
ancient Greek and Roman times. Aristotle once suggested that women
are liars and complainers, and women in general were just
painted as weaker speakers, like they didn't really know what
they were saying. A famous Greek writer claimed that women
(08:47):
should essentially stay silent outside of the home. At the time,
it was largely believed that only men should engage in
public speaking virtuous women were not supposed to be involved
in anything public, supposed to be focused on the domestic.
So that's the thought, that's how it went. It was
considered unfeminine to be vocal, especially in regards to men.
(09:10):
Don't ever speak your mind to men. That's sort of
the saying. I even found something that sort of traced
it back to Adam and even being like.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
One.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
She was foolish and look what we got because of her,
but also kind of that's a ductress, like she could
bewitch you or something with her voice, so that's that
play as well. In religious documents out of the twelfth
and thirteenth centuries spoke of women's false tongues. Some historians
(09:41):
speculate that this is when we got the phrase old
wives tale. Actually, oh so, in wake of all of
the death of the Black plague in Europe, there was
so much turmoil and women were often some of the
loudest voices about injustice and inequality and all that, and
they were viewed as danger and threatening to the status quo,
(10:02):
especially when a lot more of society ran on orally
based arguments, so it was seen as very dangerous that
they were speaking out. And pre Internet, this gossip was
the Internet. That's how people like shared what was going on,
and the powers that be wanted to crack down on
what they called the sins of the tongue. Women were
(10:25):
the majority of those prosecuted for defamation and quote scolding
at the time. Most historical depictions of scolds are women.
Just the use of the word gossip parkens back to
(10:47):
the idea that women's talk is frivolous and it's unimportant,
like how we view it today. When you use the
word gossip, it's often got that connotation. At one time
that word meant godparent, which was generally used for folks
at a christening. However, as time passed, it pretty much
came to just refer to women at such an event,
(11:07):
and then after more time passed, it was associated with
women talking frivolously once again. During the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries,
quiet modest women were prized. That was like an admirable trait.
When they did speak, they had very high expectations to meet.
Their words had to be measured and calculated. A quiet
(11:28):
respectful to a woman was desired. Allow trill woman was not.
And I know immediately your feminist bells are probably ringing
because that word trill has been used so many times
against feminism. And that does bring us to modern day
comparisons because we are still feeling this to this day.
It's in how we police and judge women's voices, how
(11:51):
much we talk. Classroom studies have found boys take up
a majority of speaking time. Boys were also called on
more frequently, but the teacher's large reported the girls were
taking up more time, even though that wasn't true. Yes,
the boys were also more likely to interrupt the girls,
which we've talked about before. Studies into the professional world
(12:12):
have suggested that this rewards men for speaking but punishes
women for speaking, So of course they aren't going to
voice their ideas, concerns, what have you as much if
that's the case. So men speaking up, you get lauded,
you get promoted. Women speaking up, you get jazzed, you
get ignored. These again, this is a very broad stroke.
(12:33):
There's a lot of nuances here that I just thought
this was interesting because I was just thinking of like
my mom getting teased about talking too much on the phone.
But it is true because it was sort of the
the implication was she was like wasting time and doing
something frivolous, you know what I mean. Like it was
very like she's on the phone again. And when women
(12:56):
do speak up in traditionally male spaces, I think that
it is going to get noticed more or not because
of the substance of it, unfortunately, but because it's quote
different because it has been traditionally a male dominated space.
So if you think about a lot of the things
we've talked about on here before about just our experience
being on a podcast and using our voices. There's so
(13:18):
much like concern about women in vocal fry. Never mind,
the men do it too, about women not being trustworthy,
not knowing what they're talking about, not being credible, using
speech modifiers, like like all of these things to judge
and dismiss what a woman is saying, and yet the
(13:39):
stereotype is that we can't stop talking. I also think,
going back to this whole thing on the phone, it
makes sense to me that women who were largely expected
to stay at home and clean and take care of
your kids and cook, all of these pretty isolating things
that you'd want to talk to people on the phone.
(13:59):
And this was before the internet, so it was also
a way to get advice. We talked about that in
our episode about Baby Crocker, Like you couldn't just go
online and be like, hey, I need a recipe for this,
and I don't have what's in the book that maybe
you had or or whatever. People would call the people
or they would listen to Reddy Crocker on the radio
in this case. But that just makes sense to me.
(14:23):
And it also like you didn't have a cell phone,
you weren't texting, right, It's like this was how you.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Did it right, And oftentimes they're isolated, so they're just
trying to find companionship. Of course, like if they were
expected to be a stay at home mom and they
had just kids like to talk to, and they were
and then they weren't like the subdivisions now, so I'm sure,
but like not to this level. I'm wondering half of
(14:48):
them being like, oh, this is companionship or trying to
find like talk to my mom because I miss her,
like stuff like that, which is completely normal as we're
opposed to at that point in time, if the men
and were going to work, they had plenty of people
to talk to, too many people to talk to you. Sure, sure, sure,
But then she would also be excited that men came home.
And if they are good partners, she wants to talk
(15:10):
to you about your day. Why would that be a
bad thing. But it has become this whole trivial thing
instead of being like, this is called communication and it's good.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Right, And it just frustrates me because I feel that
so many times that trope has been the very tired
trope of like the man going to work and complaining
about his wife and one of the things he complains
about is Oh, she's always on the phone, but she
couldn't have a job back there. I couldn't like have
(15:44):
a line of credit. She was supposed to stay home. Yeah,
it's track on the phone, right, It's just yeah, it
annoys me. Even as a kid, I always was kind
of like, I do I don't get this, I don't
like this.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah, and I do think this is a way bigger conversation.
But we've talked about in a bunch of other episodes,
surprisingly including our true crime episodes and episodes aboutrror movies.
But when it comes to stuff like gossip that's like
like it or not, that can help inform you of
what's going on and what not to do in heavy quotes,
(16:22):
like what people are talking about, there is a use
in gossip. Can it be detrimental, can it be terrible? Yes,
but there's a reason people do it and a lot
of astitude with learning from how other people in situations
have been judged and treated. So yeah, again, this could
be There's a lot more here, but this is a
(16:44):
quick primer on what I found about this trope. So
we'll probably revisit one day. But in the meantime, listeners,
let us know if you have any thoughts on this
or any experiences about this. Again, this is pretty kind
of Western American oriented, but if it's different in other countries,
please let us know. You can email us at Stephanie
(17:06):
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Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I want my stuff.
I never told you a production by Heart Radio, and
today we are bringing back an episode that it was
inspired by something I recently mentioned, wherein I had a
(00:28):
good friend help me avoid my landlord recently. And what
happened was this, She was very kind and drove me
to and from my house for the holidays, and when
she was dropping me off, my landlord was outside of
my building and he was talking to someone very very enthusiastically,
(00:55):
like a lot of hand gestures and all of this,
and I said, listen here, he's going to be there
for a minute. And I have I had all these
gifts from Christmas, you know, And so I didn't want
to be going back and forth with heavy things because
he stopped me before and talked to me when I
was carrying heavy things and didn't seem to notice that
my arms were shaking. And it was a bad situation.
And so she said to me, all right, well, we'll
(01:19):
just sit here and we'll wait him out. This must
have gone on for ten minutes. He was going on
and on. We were trying to debate, like how we
could get around him, if we could help the person
he was talking to because I've been in this situation.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Like someone get me.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
I felt bad, but eventually he did. He meandered off
and we we like booked it into my apartment with
these items and Casey came back. But this reminded me
of an episode we did, but that was also at
the time inspired by him in part about.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Ever listens to our show one day, Oh, one day,
I'm in trouble.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I'm in trouble.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Hilarious.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Actually, I think I think I kind of have the
upper hand right now, that is what I will say.
But anyway, I was at the time when we recorded
this originally, I was complaining about how I think that
it's a lot of times not the truth, not the
case that women talk more than men, or at least
(02:30):
in that way, that you're just taking up somebody's time,
because it's always My mom used to get teased for
it a lot, like, oh, she's just chatting away. But
then when I would actually pay attention, it was usually
a man who she was just listening to patiently and
he was not picking up that she actually had things
to do. And so this episode was just an examination
(02:55):
of where did that that idea come from, that women
are the ones who are doing all of the talking,
so please enjoy this classic episode. Hey, this is Anny
and Samantha, and welcome to stef I never told you
a protection of iHeartRadio. And welcome to another episode of
(03:26):
Monday Minnie. I will say this is kind of a
surprise Monday Mini, because I had another topic planned and
it did not work out. You will hear about it
in an upcoming episode because it was just it needed
a whole episode. So this kind of came late to
me in the day yesterday as we're recording this, and
(03:46):
it's about I had to make a phone call listeners,
and if you know me, I hate talking on the phone.
I once said I would rather punch you, punch me
in the face than call me on the phone. I
hate it. I think the very worst thing has happened.
I cannot hear you. I am awkward. I do not
(04:07):
like it. So I had to talk on the phone
the other day. On top of this, I've been trying
to reach my mom and I haven't been able to
do it. But she's one of the few people I
do talk on the phone with, and as I was
calling her, I remembered kind of this teasing she got
(04:28):
when I was growing up that she talked on the
phone way too much. She always was on the phone,
Like there's a you know, popular story in my family
where my little brother once cut the phone cord because
he was so frustrated that she wasn't paying attention to him.
And it got me thinking about this trope about how
women talk too much, like they're always that they talk
(04:51):
way more than men. In this case, I was thinking
specifically about the phone. But I found some research on this.
But I will say this, this is going to be
a brief, broad explanation and it's more Western oriented, so
keep that in mind, so that there is probably a
lot more we could say about this. But in terms
(05:12):
of me just trying to understand this stereotype that was
used to kind of tease my mom, this is what
I found. So yeah, I found this history of like
the trope of why people think women talk too much
are that they talk more than men. We have done
episodes on women typically being the more social sex, like
(05:32):
having more friends, maintaining more relationships, and the societal reasons
why that is. Like if you remember in our Emotional
Labor episode, we talked about how often in heterosexual heteronormative relationships,
the woman is the one who keeps the contact with
the family the man's family up like she's doing it
(05:53):
for her family and his family. So there are reasons
why that might be. But I was just kind of
curious about this because I've heard her side of it,
and her side of it was always that it was
men she was talking to and that she's being very
polite with who did not pick up on her many
cues that the conversation was over, so she was like
(06:16):
being nice and they just kept going. And that reminded
me of several instances in my life that I've talked
about on the show, especially in a dating situation, where
you're like, I have not said a word this whole time,
and I would like to leave, please. I could put
a card cut out here and you'd be just as
well off. You would not notice I was gone, and
(06:37):
I could be doing something else. So I just started
I started thinking about it, and she's That's not to
say she doesn't have like conversations and sometimes the long
conversations with women in her life, but she's actually pretty good.
And sometimes I feel like this is my fault because
I'm always so busy and that's sort of a thing
(06:58):
that doesn't make me feel great. But she's pretty good
at being like, okay, this, we're done. You know, this
conversation has gone on. I can tell I have to
do stuff, you have to do stuff. That's how she
is with me, and I've heard her like that with
her sisters, her female friends. So I was just sort
of thinking about this, and especially in terms of like
(07:19):
kind of that very heteronormative joke of like the husband
being annoyed at his wife because they're late because she
was on the phone, or makeup and hair and all
that other stuff, but like, she was on the phone,
but at least in my experience, in this particular thing
that I'm thinking of, it was the men who were
(07:43):
talking that were keeping my mom and making her late.
So okay. The trope has a very long history. There
are multiple proverbs about it. A woman's tongue wags like
a lanced hill, never still, many women, many words, a
whole doll name chat Kathy, which I used to get
called that all the time, And I feel like I
(08:04):
didn't really sometimes sometimes I talked a lot, but I
feel like you're in general, I really did droughout history
a lot of literature paints strong men as quote silent
types who settle things with their fists, and women who
use their words as weapons. There has been an important
historical difference in the Western depiction of gendered talking. So
(08:26):
it's that men talk about quote, important stuff, women talk
about frivolous stuff. And this goes back to philosophers of
ancient Greek and Roman times. Aristotle once suggested that women
are liars and complainers, and women in general were just
painted as weaker speakers, like they didn't really know what
they were saying. A famous Greek writer claimed that women
(08:47):
should essentially stay silent outside of the home. At the time,
it was largely believed that only men should engage in
public speaking virtuous women were not supposed to be involved
in anything public, supposed to be focused on the domestic.
So that's the thought, that's how it went. It was
considered unfeminine to be vocal, especially in regards to men.
(09:10):
Don't ever speak your mind to men. That's sort of
the saying. I even found something that sort of traced
it back to Adam and even being like.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
One.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
She was foolish and look what we got because of her,
but also kind of that's a ductress, like she could
bewitch you or something with her voice, so that's that
play as well. In religious documents out of the twelfth
and thirteenth centuries spoke of women's false tongues. Some historians
(09:41):
speculate that this is when we got the phrase old
wives tale. Actually, oh so, in wake of all of
the death of the Black plague in Europe, there was
so much turmoil and women were often some of the
loudest voices about injustice and inequality and all that, and
they were viewed as danger and threatening to the status quo,
(10:02):
especially when a lot more of society ran on orally
based arguments, so it was seen as very dangerous that
they were speaking out. And pre Internet, this gossip was
the Internet. That's how people like shared what was going on,
and the powers that be wanted to crack down on
what they called the sins of the tongue. Women were
(10:25):
the majority of those prosecuted for defamation and quote scolding
at the time. Most historical depictions of scolds are women.
Just the use of the word gossip parkens back to
(10:47):
the idea that women's talk is frivolous and it's unimportant,
like how we view it today. When you use the
word gossip, it's often got that connotation. At one time
that word meant godparent, which was generally used for folks
at a christening. However, as time passed, it pretty much
came to just refer to women at such an event,
(11:07):
and then after more time passed, it was associated with
women talking frivolously once again. During the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries,
quiet modest women were prized. That was like an admirable trait.
When they did speak, they had very high expectations to meet.
Their words had to be measured and calculated. A quiet
(11:28):
respectful to a woman was desired. Allow trill woman was not.
And I know immediately your feminist bells are probably ringing
because that word trill has been used so many times
against feminism. And that does bring us to modern day
comparisons because we are still feeling this to this day.
It's in how we police and judge women's voices, how
(11:51):
much we talk. Classroom studies have found boys take up
a majority of speaking time. Boys were also called on
more frequently, but the teacher's large reported the girls were
taking up more time, even though that wasn't true. Yes,
the boys were also more likely to interrupt the girls,
which we've talked about before. Studies into the professional world
(12:12):
have suggested that this rewards men for speaking but punishes
women for speaking, So of course they aren't going to
voice their ideas, concerns, what have you as much if
that's the case. So men speaking up, you get lauded,
you get promoted. Women speaking up, you get jazzed, you
get ignored. These again, this is a very broad stroke.
(12:33):
There's a lot of nuances here that I just thought
this was interesting because I was just thinking of like
my mom getting teased about talking too much on the phone.
But it is true because it was sort of the
the implication was she was like wasting time and doing
something frivolous, you know what I mean. Like it was
very like she's on the phone again. And when women
(12:56):
do speak up in traditionally male spaces, I think that
it is going to get noticed more or not because
of the substance of it, unfortunately, but because it's quote
different because it has been traditionally a male dominated space.
So if you think about a lot of the things
we've talked about on here before about just our experience
being on a podcast and using our voices. There's so
(13:18):
much like concern about women in vocal fry. Never mind,
the men do it too, about women not being trustworthy,
not knowing what they're talking about, not being credible, using
speech modifiers, like like all of these things to judge
and dismiss what a woman is saying, and yet the
(13:39):
stereotype is that we can't stop talking. I also think,
going back to this whole thing on the phone, it
makes sense to me that women who were largely expected
to stay at home and clean and take care of
your kids and cook, all of these pretty isolating things
that you'd want to talk to people on the phone.
(13:59):
And this was before the internet, so it was also
a way to get advice. We talked about that in
our episode about Baby Crocker, Like you couldn't just go
online and be like, hey, I need a recipe for this,
and I don't have what's in the book that maybe
you had or or whatever. People would call the people
or they would listen to Reddy Crocker on the radio
in this case. But that just makes sense to me.
(14:23):
And it also like you didn't have a cell phone,
you weren't texting, right, It's like this was how you.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Did it right, And oftentimes they're isolated, so they're just
trying to find companionship. Of course, like if they were
expected to be a stay at home mom and they
had just kids like to talk to, and they were
and then they weren't like the subdivisions now, so I'm sure,
but like not to this level. I'm wondering half of
(14:48):
them being like, oh, this is companionship or trying to
find like talk to my mom because I miss her,
like stuff like that, which is completely normal as we're
opposed to at that point in time, if the men
and were going to work, they had plenty of people
to talk to, too many people to talk to you. Sure, sure, sure,
But then she would also be excited that men came home.
And if they are good partners, she wants to talk
(15:10):
to you about your day. Why would that be a
bad thing. But it has become this whole trivial thing
instead of being like, this is called communication and it's good.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Right, And it just frustrates me because I feel that
so many times that trope has been the very tired
trope of like the man going to work and complaining
about his wife and one of the things he complains
about is Oh, she's always on the phone, but she
couldn't have a job back there. I couldn't like have
(15:44):
a line of credit. She was supposed to stay home. Yeah,
it's track on the phone, right, It's just yeah, it
annoys me. Even as a kid, I always was kind
of like, I do I don't get this, I don't
like this.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah, and I do think this is a way bigger conversation.
But we've talked about in a bunch of other episodes,
surprisingly including our true crime episodes and episodes aboutrror movies.
But when it comes to stuff like gossip that's like
like it or not, that can help inform you of
what's going on and what not to do in heavy quotes,
(16:22):
like what people are talking about, there is a use
in gossip. Can it be detrimental, can it be terrible? Yes,
but there's a reason people do it and a lot
of astitude with learning from how other people in situations
have been judged and treated. So yeah, again, this could
be There's a lot more here, but this is a
(16:44):
quick primer on what I found about this trope. So
we'll probably revisit one day. But in the meantime, listeners,
let us know if you have any thoughts on this
or any experiences about this. Again, this is pretty kind
of Western American oriented, but if it's different in other countries,
please let us know. You can email us at Stephanie
(17:06):
Momstuff at iHeartMedia dot com. Can find us on Twitter
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