January 12, 2026 • 17 mins
What is internalized homophobia and how can it manifest? Anney and Samantha shine some light on the issue.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, this is Anny and Samantha.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
And welcome to stuff I Ever told you production of
iHeart Radio, and welcome to another edition of Monday.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Many.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
For this one, I would suggest checking out our recent
Monday Mini on compulsory heterosexuality or COMPET, because this is
kind of a companion piece to that episode. We're not
going to get to in depth about it, but we're
just going to mention things like sexual assault and depression
(00:43):
things like that. But today we are talking about internalized homophobia,
which is related. I did mention it in that COMPET episode,
and this is one of those things where I imagine
most listeners know what internalized homophobia is, but I figured
I would do a quick rundown on it since I'm
seeing a lot about it online right now, and sometimes
(01:07):
folks are mixing it up with compet and or heteronormativity.
They're all related, but they are different from each other.
We also kind of saw this in action at our
end of the year Sminty meeting where somebody bought up
compulsory heterosexuality without us mentioning it and it became a
(01:31):
topic of conversation.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I was like, yes, we just did an episode on us.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
A few times in life where we're like, yeah, we
just did an episode of that.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Actually a lot of times sometimes you know, maybe we're
not trindy in terms of wearing suede, but sometimes I
feel like we are ahead of the curve and what
becomes a conversation topic. But yes, right now, that is
a big topic of conversation. So I wanted to come
back and just clarify some things about internalized homophobia, which
(01:59):
very basically, it's what it sounds like, similar to internalized misogyny.
It is an involuntary, internalized feeling that homosexuality is wrong, bad,
a moral It's sometimes called internalized oppression. It is the
internal belief that heterosexuality is the norm and the correct
(02:20):
way to be, and something that we internalize due to
a bunch of different societal factors, systemic factors like religion
or education systems, medical systems, politics, media, in our family
and friends, everywhere you can get it. There's also internalized transphobia, specifically,
(02:42):
which revolves around internalized negative perceptions and fears around the
trans experience. Same with internalized biphobia. We're going to talk
about this more in a second, but as I've said before,
there is still within the queer community infighting and still
(03:02):
can be judgments of like a bisexual person from a
queer person, so that that does still happen. Related term
internalized heterosexism is when a queer person internally believes that
heterosexuality is superior. So maybe I'm just gonna make this
mini series and break down all of these terms because
(03:24):
there are.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
A lot of them.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Okay, So for gay people, internalized homophobia can manifest and
self hatred, stigmatization, or disgust, or even repressing their sexuality
or self harming behaviors and suicidality. Research shows that, especially
for younger folks realizing their sexuality, it may take them
years to confide in someone about it. I believe the
(03:48):
study I was looking at I was five years after
they realized and I've talked about it before, but just
to mention, I did this too.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Am my experience of trying to.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Pray the gay away, where I would literally pray, please,
I do not want to gay because I knew it
was gonna make my life more difficult and potentially dangerous.
And we did talk about that in the compet episode
as well, that we internalize that being gay is dangerous
(04:17):
and unsafe.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
As children.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
It starts at a very young age, and there's sign
behind that too, I'm not just saying that. And it
can cause a bunch of other issues for gay folks too,
like jealousy of friends straight relationships, like you're jealous that
they get to just have this relationship, get to just
have but you know, like it's not as simple perhaps
(04:40):
in some cases for gay people. Contempt for other gay people.
And so this is what I was sort of mentioning
before this is it can be something relatively minor, as
in kind of using gay as like a haha, that's
an insult, but it can be something absolutely heinous, and
that can lead to the the trope of a conservative
(05:02):
religious leader or a politician secretly being gay. It's usually
a man who often grooms and sexually abuses children of
the same sex. Now, obviously that is a different episode
and there's a lot more nuances in there, but that
can be an example of how horrible it can get
(05:22):
trying to change your sexuality, denial that things like homophobia
is a real problem, and or engaging in outright homophobic
behaviors to fit in. Feeling inadequate, over underachieving, low self esteem,
and poor body image, attempts at passing as straight and
even getting married to pass a straight, remaining in toxic
(05:45):
or abusive relationships, shame, fear, defensiveness, depression, withdrawal, bitterness, continual
self monitoring, which is exhausting when you're always thinking about
how people are perceiving you and not wanting them to
know that you are gay. Risky sexual practices, substance abuse,
and reluctance to show affection, which again because you think
(06:06):
people will misinterpret it. This also we're not going to
go into this today, but I did just read an
article about this that I thought was related. But it's
when you are out and straight friends kind of use
you to validate that they're attractive.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
They're like, oh, do you think I'm attractive?
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Right, so you even gay people think I'm attractive, which
has happened to me and I hadn't really realized it
until I.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Read that article. Oh yeah, Yeah, it's a whole thing.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
It's a whole thing, and it sucks because then you're
just kind of a what are you?
Speaker 1 (06:41):
You're validating them?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
But anyway, I did find a very recent twenty twenty
five study called sexual orientation and internalized homophobia of middle
aged and older gay and lesbian adults the role of
social relationships, and it found that self identified gay men
had higher levels of internalized homophobia as compared to self
identified lesbians amongst those that they surveyed. I'm not sure
(07:06):
if this is true of the younger generation, but with
toxic masculinity and all that, it doesn't surprise me at all.
And a lot of it did because they were trying
to get to the bottom of the reason for it,
and a lot of it did have to do with
the level of support and friendships. And we've talked about
that women usually have more support and friendships than men do,
(07:26):
often because of this toxic masculinity and just our general
misogyny and sexism in society.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
But yes, I thought that was interesting, and so.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
One of the reasons that I wanted to talk about this,
and I want to be clear to articulate this correctly,
is that, Okay, this is a it's gonna sound like
a silly story, but just stay with me. First side,
I was talking to a good friend of mine about shipping,
and I was saying, I generally never ever believe my
(08:12):
usually gay ships are going to happen. I just don't
think that's the case. So I always know like this
is something that I like that will never actually come
to life on screen or whatever media it is. And
I was talking specifically about the Mandalorian and Luke Skywalker,
(08:33):
who I love to ship together, but I never.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Actually thought they were going to get together.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
They literally have I think two minutes of screen time together,
but some people really did. They really did, and were
devastated when it kind of became clear it wasn't going
to happen. And I just said, without really thinking about it,
I said, well, obviously the male writers really connected to
(09:03):
this strong male hero. They associate themselves with him. They're
never ever going to make him gay because that would
imply that maybe they are gay. And I just it
was a strange thing that I just said it without
I want to be clear, this is me projecting this
is I do have no evidence behind this.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
I have no.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Statement that I read or thing that I saw. This
was just something that I believed deeply, and even if
they are allies, they still don't want to be gay.
Like there was something in me that just believed it.
And so I really had to say with that and
think like why cause I just I just said it,
(09:49):
I didn't have any evidence of it. And it's not
like I don't believe that's happened or people don't believe that,
but I didn't have any evidence of it, and so
I really had to do some self examination after that.
It was like, wait, why did you say that so authoritatively?
I don't really know anything about them, To be honest, I.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Guess it in my head that makes sense because not
because of your thought of like gay's bed, but because
typically what we see in toxic of masculinity, anything into
that realm would imply that they have gayish thoughts, and
for toxic masculinity that is a no no. So because
(10:30):
we are living in a state where that is more
prevalent that it makes sense that it's a And it
was a more of a a scolding of them more
so than your thoughts. That's how I wanted to taking that,
because I'm like, yeah, of course they would never because
they don't have the understanding that this is a thing
(10:54):
that could be and it seems should be natural in
that it could be this instead, But like, because men
are so afraid of anything looking less manly that they
would absolutely be like, that's not the way they would
think or type of thing in that conversation.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
So that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
No, And I that's where I'm kind of like, I
think it's both that but also that I was just
so ready to without any evidence anything. But I also
had this thought of they would be embarrassed. Yeah, they
would be embarrassed that so many people are thinking this
character might be gay because they it's themselves on it's
(11:32):
an idealized version of themselves.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
But then you have thinking like if Pedro Pascal exactly cool,
like I would give him a benefit of the doubt
of being like no, but he'd be okay with it
because he has evolved and understood this is not an insult.
This is not a thing, and like in any perception
to him, it just as a natural way of being
and people ship this okay, And he'd be like, let's
(11:54):
I'm down, this is where we're going, But this is
where we're going.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
He has been open about it. He I think he's
a that it just Timothy Oliphant's character and.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Then makes yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
But like it feels like in his understanding and the
understanding of like, this is not why are you so insulted? Biased?
Is such a bad thing, and he understands that's not
a bad thing. This is not but the head like
the compulsory heterosexuality would make it seem like that's not
the norm, which I've seen after our conversation, a lot
of social media's come up because there was a post
(12:29):
where a girl supposedly rejected a woman because she was straight,
and then she got hate from everybody and dosed for it.
And then the people instead of being like, oh, it's
bad to be docs, it's that bad, like if you're
for people to be not okay with rejection, but that
is a normal response, instead everybody was like, yeah, she
(12:50):
should be offended. It's not normal being straight as normal?
What is wrong with y'all? Why are y'all defending? Like
it was the amount of comments that says straight is normal,
which was the first time I've ever seen that. I
was like, what is happening? Are these bots? Is this
new tactic that I have missed since this conversation or
like it it was a weird defensiveness that I was like, what, well,
(13:13):
that's not that's not even a part of the conversation.
I don't get what's happening.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Yeah, yeah, we're gonna have to come.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
We said it before, but I do think something's going
on with bots.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Something is going on with these amount of the amount
of bots that I've seen in that type of conversation
that I was like, what is going on to the
amount of bots that is rationalizing the death that's happened,
the murder of the woman in Minnesota that has just
recently happened by ice, as well as just different conversations
(13:44):
that I'm like, this, this doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Yeah, it legitimately frightens me. It has for a long time,
but now I'm seeing something has increased.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Yeah. But anyway, Yeah, I mean that's horrible.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
That's maybe I will continue this series because that's related
to another issue, another term.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
But I do just again, before we move on from
the Mandalorian, I want to be one hundred percent clear.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
That was your projection.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
That was me projecting.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
There is no not Pedro Pascal is down.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
I'm not putting any thing out there that what they
said or did or maybe I don't know. Maybe they
did and I don't know about it, but I don't
personally know about any of that.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Yes, that was totally me projecting. Yes, okay, noted, all right,
thank you? So uh.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
If you are struggling with internalized homophobia or transphobia or
whatever it may be, there are a lot of resources
out there for you. Here is some basic advice from
the Trevor Project. Acknowledge and understand it and how it
impacts you, and ask questions about it, like where did
it come from, what makes you feel it, what brings
it up? Fine community and support and with healthy slash
(15:01):
positive queer content. Challenge negative beliefs if you experience them.
Accept your queerness on your own terms and know that
those terms can change. So sometimes that can mean you
don't if you're not ready to come out and that
and it might be later or maybe never, But just
figure that out for yourself and realize that it can
(15:22):
change and your sexuality can change. And also, don't assume
someone's sexuality should never know.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
You never know. It's not your business.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah, if you're straight and you know someone struggling with this,
here are some tips from Healthline. Assure them that through
your words and actions, that you accept people of all
gender and sexual identities. Speak out against anti gay sentiments
and legislation. Believe what they tell you about their lived experience.
Create space for the lgbt QIA plus people in your life,
(15:56):
and continue to educate yourself about people who are different
from you. And obviously all of this is intersectional as well.
We talked about that competitis too, because in different cultures
that this can have other complications. You have to consider
our I mean, even your family, honestly, like it can
be very specific. So these are some basic tips, but
(16:19):
if you need more, there are plenty of resources out there.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Again, I think most of you listeners probably know about this,
but I just I.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Have seen a lot of conversations about it online like relately,
and I'm like, maybe we should just go ahead.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Yeah, let's go ahead.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
But listeners, if you have any resources or any topics
related to this that you would like to hear more about,
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(16:55):
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Speaker 1 (16:57):
Thanks as always too, our super projuice Christine are Victor
PRIs My and a contributor Joey.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
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Hey, this is Anny and Samantha.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
And welcome to stuff I Ever told you production of
iHeart Radio, and welcome to another edition of Monday.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Many.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
For this one, I would suggest checking out our recent
Monday Mini on compulsory heterosexuality or COMPET, because this is
kind of a companion piece to that episode. We're not
going to get to in depth about it, but we're
just going to mention things like sexual assault and depression
(00:43):
things like that. But today we are talking about internalized homophobia,
which is related. I did mention it in that COMPET episode,
and this is one of those things where I imagine
most listeners know what internalized homophobia is, but I figured
I would do a quick rundown on it since I'm
seeing a lot about it online right now, and sometimes
(01:07):
folks are mixing it up with compet and or heteronormativity.
They're all related, but they are different from each other.
We also kind of saw this in action at our
end of the year Sminty meeting where somebody bought up
compulsory heterosexuality without us mentioning it and it became a
(01:31):
topic of conversation.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I was like, yes, we just did an episode on us.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
A few times in life where we're like, yeah, we
just did an episode of that.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Actually a lot of times sometimes you know, maybe we're
not trindy in terms of wearing suede, but sometimes I
feel like we are ahead of the curve and what
becomes a conversation topic. But yes, right now, that is
a big topic of conversation. So I wanted to come
back and just clarify some things about internalized homophobia, which
(01:59):
very basically, it's what it sounds like, similar to internalized misogyny.
It is an involuntary, internalized feeling that homosexuality is wrong, bad,
a moral It's sometimes called internalized oppression. It is the
internal belief that heterosexuality is the norm and the correct
(02:20):
way to be, and something that we internalize due to
a bunch of different societal factors, systemic factors like religion
or education systems, medical systems, politics, media, in our family
and friends, everywhere you can get it. There's also internalized transphobia, specifically,
(02:42):
which revolves around internalized negative perceptions and fears around the
trans experience. Same with internalized biphobia. We're going to talk
about this more in a second, but as I've said before,
there is still within the queer community infighting and still
(03:02):
can be judgments of like a bisexual person from a
queer person, so that that does still happen. Related term
internalized heterosexism is when a queer person internally believes that
heterosexuality is superior. So maybe I'm just gonna make this
mini series and break down all of these terms because
(03:24):
there are.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
A lot of them.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Okay, So for gay people, internalized homophobia can manifest and
self hatred, stigmatization, or disgust, or even repressing their sexuality
or self harming behaviors and suicidality. Research shows that, especially
for younger folks realizing their sexuality, it may take them
years to confide in someone about it. I believe the
(03:48):
study I was looking at I was five years after
they realized and I've talked about it before, but just
to mention, I did this too.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Am my experience of trying to.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Pray the gay away, where I would literally pray, please,
I do not want to gay because I knew it
was gonna make my life more difficult and potentially dangerous.
And we did talk about that in the compet episode
as well, that we internalize that being gay is dangerous
(04:17):
and unsafe.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
As children.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
It starts at a very young age, and there's sign
behind that too, I'm not just saying that. And it
can cause a bunch of other issues for gay folks too,
like jealousy of friends straight relationships, like you're jealous that
they get to just have this relationship, get to just
have but you know, like it's not as simple perhaps
(04:40):
in some cases for gay people. Contempt for other gay people.
And so this is what I was sort of mentioning
before this is it can be something relatively minor, as
in kind of using gay as like a haha, that's
an insult, but it can be something absolutely heinous, and
that can lead to the the trope of a conservative
(05:02):
religious leader or a politician secretly being gay. It's usually
a man who often grooms and sexually abuses children of
the same sex. Now, obviously that is a different episode
and there's a lot more nuances in there, but that
can be an example of how horrible it can get
(05:22):
trying to change your sexuality, denial that things like homophobia
is a real problem, and or engaging in outright homophobic
behaviors to fit in. Feeling inadequate, over underachieving, low self esteem,
and poor body image, attempts at passing as straight and
even getting married to pass a straight, remaining in toxic
(05:45):
or abusive relationships, shame, fear, defensiveness, depression, withdrawal, bitterness, continual
self monitoring, which is exhausting when you're always thinking about
how people are perceiving you and not wanting them to
know that you are gay. Risky sexual practices, substance abuse,
and reluctance to show affection, which again because you think
(06:06):
people will misinterpret it. This also we're not going to
go into this today, but I did just read an
article about this that I thought was related. But it's
when you are out and straight friends kind of use
you to validate that they're attractive.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
They're like, oh, do you think I'm attractive?
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Right, so you even gay people think I'm attractive, which
has happened to me and I hadn't really realized it
until I.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Read that article. Oh yeah, Yeah, it's a whole thing.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
It's a whole thing, and it sucks because then you're
just kind of a what are you?
Speaker 1 (06:41):
You're validating them?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
But anyway, I did find a very recent twenty twenty
five study called sexual orientation and internalized homophobia of middle
aged and older gay and lesbian adults the role of
social relationships, and it found that self identified gay men
had higher levels of internalized homophobia as compared to self
identified lesbians amongst those that they surveyed. I'm not sure
(07:06):
if this is true of the younger generation, but with
toxic masculinity and all that, it doesn't surprise me at all.
And a lot of it did because they were trying
to get to the bottom of the reason for it,
and a lot of it did have to do with
the level of support and friendships. And we've talked about
that women usually have more support and friendships than men do,
(07:26):
often because of this toxic masculinity and just our general
misogyny and sexism in society.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
But yes, I thought that was interesting, and so.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
One of the reasons that I wanted to talk about this,
and I want to be clear to articulate this correctly,
is that, Okay, this is a it's gonna sound like
a silly story, but just stay with me. First side,
I was talking to a good friend of mine about shipping,
and I was saying, I generally never ever believe my
(08:12):
usually gay ships are going to happen. I just don't
think that's the case. So I always know like this
is something that I like that will never actually come
to life on screen or whatever media it is. And
I was talking specifically about the Mandalorian and Luke Skywalker,
(08:33):
who I love to ship together, but I never.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Actually thought they were going to get together.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
They literally have I think two minutes of screen time together,
but some people really did. They really did, and were
devastated when it kind of became clear it wasn't going
to happen. And I just said, without really thinking about it,
I said, well, obviously the male writers really connected to
(09:03):
this strong male hero. They associate themselves with him. They're
never ever going to make him gay because that would
imply that maybe they are gay. And I just it
was a strange thing that I just said it without
I want to be clear, this is me projecting this
is I do have no evidence behind this.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
I have no.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Statement that I read or thing that I saw. This
was just something that I believed deeply, and even if
they are allies, they still don't want to be gay.
Like there was something in me that just believed it.
And so I really had to say with that and
think like why cause I just I just said it,
(09:49):
I didn't have any evidence of it. And it's not
like I don't believe that's happened or people don't believe that,
but I didn't have any evidence of it, and so
I really had to do some self examination after that.
It was like, wait, why did you say that so authoritatively?
I don't really know anything about them, To be honest, I.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Guess it in my head that makes sense because not
because of your thought of like gay's bed, but because
typically what we see in toxic of masculinity, anything into
that realm would imply that they have gayish thoughts, and
for toxic masculinity that is a no no. So because
(10:30):
we are living in a state where that is more
prevalent that it makes sense that it's a And it
was a more of a a scolding of them more
so than your thoughts. That's how I wanted to taking that,
because I'm like, yeah, of course they would never because
they don't have the understanding that this is a thing
(10:54):
that could be and it seems should be natural in
that it could be this instead, But like, because men
are so afraid of anything looking less manly that they
would absolutely be like, that's not the way they would
think or type of thing in that conversation.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
So that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
No, And I that's where I'm kind of like, I
think it's both that but also that I was just
so ready to without any evidence anything. But I also
had this thought of they would be embarrassed. Yeah, they
would be embarrassed that so many people are thinking this
character might be gay because they it's themselves on it's
(11:32):
an idealized version of themselves.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
But then you have thinking like if Pedro Pascal exactly cool,
like I would give him a benefit of the doubt
of being like no, but he'd be okay with it
because he has evolved and understood this is not an insult.
This is not a thing, and like in any perception
to him, it just as a natural way of being
and people ship this okay, And he'd be like, let's
(11:54):
I'm down, this is where we're going, But this is
where we're going.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
He has been open about it. He I think he's
a that it just Timothy Oliphant's character and.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Then makes yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
But like it feels like in his understanding and the
understanding of like, this is not why are you so insulted? Biased?
Is such a bad thing, and he understands that's not
a bad thing. This is not but the head like
the compulsory heterosexuality would make it seem like that's not
the norm, which I've seen after our conversation, a lot
of social media's come up because there was a post
(12:29):
where a girl supposedly rejected a woman because she was straight,
and then she got hate from everybody and dosed for it.
And then the people instead of being like, oh, it's
bad to be docs, it's that bad, like if you're
for people to be not okay with rejection, but that
is a normal response, instead everybody was like, yeah, she
(12:50):
should be offended. It's not normal being straight as normal?
What is wrong with y'all? Why are y'all defending? Like
it was the amount of comments that says straight is normal,
which was the first time I've ever seen that. I
was like, what is happening? Are these bots? Is this
new tactic that I have missed since this conversation or
like it it was a weird defensiveness that I was like, what, well,
(13:13):
that's not that's not even a part of the conversation.
I don't get what's happening.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Yeah, yeah, we're gonna have to come.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
We said it before, but I do think something's going
on with bots.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Something is going on with these amount of the amount
of bots that I've seen in that type of conversation
that I was like, what is going on to the
amount of bots that is rationalizing the death that's happened,
the murder of the woman in Minnesota that has just
recently happened by ice, as well as just different conversations
(13:44):
that I'm like, this, this doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Yeah, it legitimately frightens me. It has for a long time,
but now I'm seeing something has increased.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Yeah. But anyway, Yeah, I mean that's horrible.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
That's maybe I will continue this series because that's related
to another issue, another term.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
But I do just again, before we move on from
the Mandalorian, I want to be one hundred percent clear.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
That was your projection.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
That was me projecting.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
There is no not Pedro Pascal is down.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
I'm not putting any thing out there that what they
said or did or maybe I don't know. Maybe they
did and I don't know about it, but I don't
personally know about any of that.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Yes, that was totally me projecting. Yes, okay, noted, all right,
thank you? So uh.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
If you are struggling with internalized homophobia or transphobia or
whatever it may be, there are a lot of resources
out there for you. Here is some basic advice from
the Trevor Project. Acknowledge and understand it and how it
impacts you, and ask questions about it, like where did
it come from, what makes you feel it, what brings
it up? Fine community and support and with healthy slash
(15:01):
positive queer content. Challenge negative beliefs if you experience them.
Accept your queerness on your own terms and know that
those terms can change. So sometimes that can mean you
don't if you're not ready to come out and that
and it might be later or maybe never, But just
figure that out for yourself and realize that it can
(15:22):
change and your sexuality can change. And also, don't assume
someone's sexuality should never know.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
You never know. It's not your business.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah, if you're straight and you know someone struggling with this,
here are some tips from Healthline. Assure them that through
your words and actions, that you accept people of all
gender and sexual identities. Speak out against anti gay sentiments
and legislation. Believe what they tell you about their lived experience.
Create space for the lgbt QIA plus people in your life,
(15:56):
and continue to educate yourself about people who are different
from you. And obviously all of this is intersectional as well.
We talked about that competitis too, because in different cultures
that this can have other complications. You have to consider
our I mean, even your family, honestly, like it can
be very specific. So these are some basic tips, but
(16:19):
if you need more, there are plenty of resources out there.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Again, I think most of you listeners probably know about this,
but I just I.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Have seen a lot of conversations about it online like relately,
and I'm like, maybe we should just go ahead.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Yeah, let's go ahead.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
But listeners, if you have any resources or any topics
related to this that you would like to hear more about,
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(16:55):
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Speaker 1 (16:57):
Thanks as always too, our super projuice Christine are Victor
PRIs My and a contributor Joey.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
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