September 7, 2026 • 45 mins
In the 1980s, the film 9 to 5 started conversations that are, in many ways unfortunately, relevant today. In this classic, we discuss how, and one of our favorite themes - women friendships.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, this is Annie.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
And Samantha.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
And welcome to Stuff I Never Told You, a production
of iHeartRadio. And today we are bringing back a classic
with a heavy heart. I know I recently said I
try not to bring back so many entertainment-based episodes all
(00:32):
at once but a lot of things have happened in
the entertainment world feels all at once but one of
the sad things is we have lost Dolly Parton yes
I legitimately did have a moment I know you talked
about it I was upset I was upset in a
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way that doesn't normally happen with celebrities for me but
that one got me She just did so much. There
is another episode Spinty has done, Kristen and Caroline did,
about her history. We've already brought it back and we
brought it back during COVID because she was a big
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proponent of vaccines. So she's been active in things like that.
She was active in children's books and getting children to read.
And she just had An amazing life and an amazing story.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Right. I think she was one that was really noted
as understanding that the world does not need billionaires. And
so as she could have been a billionaire, but she
continued to give back, realizing that she needed to pour
back in as much as it was poured into her.
And she absolutely did that. She stood ten toes down
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in making sure that she was doing as much for
the communities and the people around her. She really was someone,
if anybody... was able to unite a country is her.
Like the people who you would absolutely... Donald Trump, who
would not lower his flags for hardly anybody, has lowered
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his flag, lowered his flag, lowered the flag for her
for a week. And that just comes to talk about
how she was. And she cared nothing about politics, whether
it was Biden or Trump. She absolutely did not care
about the Medal of Freedom. She was like... eh, I'm good.
She was an amazing woman and my heart is broken
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that she has died. This year sucks.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
This year does suck. And that was a... It felt
sudden to me. I'm sure it wasn't, but it just
felt like, oh, now I've got to... process this too.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah like she was she was holding back she said
she had dizzy spells but never really told what was
happening she was very private I think that's the other
part she was amazingly private and she understood to keep
her life separate I think that's probably also what made
her an icon and yeah this movie that we did
9 to 5 we're like oh I can't believe we
haven't talked about this also they're talking about trying to
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make 925 a day a Dolly Remembrance Day yeah so
it's the day before my birthday and i was like
yes i would love to share that time frame with.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Her yes so we did this movie nine to five
uh which has dolly parton in it and uh it
also has lily tomlin in it which we recently talked
about in our miss frizzle episode yes yes yes connections
yeah connections um But yes, very sad about this. I
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know a lot of people are. But this movie was a,
it was a fun, it was a fun movie. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
So please enjoy this classic episode. Hey, this is Annie.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
And Samantha.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
And welcome to Step One Never Told You, a production
of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
And we, for this Feminist Movie Friday, if you're happening
to listen on a Friday, hey, good job. If not,
no matter. It's still Feminist Movie Day. Whatever day you
want to slip in there. We are throwing it back.
All the way back to 1980, y'all.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
For a cult classic, which is now what it is deemed,
one with some interesting mixed reviews. But a movie that
has made its mark, so much so that it spawned
TV shows, musicals, and even a possible remake currently in
the works, supposedly. I don't know. There's even a documentary
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of where we are now. Spoiler alert, we're not much
better off. Actually, we're worse. We are talking about the
classic 9 to 5. So just an FYI, from the
day I suggested this movie to the day I wrote
this damn outline, changes have occurred and sadness has ensued.
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And the way we were talking about this movie has
swiftly changed. So if something seems kind of like we're
coming backtracking and be like, well, it's actually this now,
it's because in the middle of literally two weeks, a
movie from the 1980s has already changed, like, perspectives just
within these two weeks of in 2025. Deep breath in
and out. But yes, so with everything that's happening, it
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seems it is. It's the fact that we are going backwards.
We thought it would be a good time to revisit
a classic. One of the many things this movie did,
it catapulted the beginning of Dolly Parton's acting career. It
was her first debut, and... Even if people did not
like this movie, people said it was unrealistic. Of course
it's unrealistic. Sorry. People said it was too cheeky. People
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said it was too sitcom-y. All of these criticisms to it.
But the one thing they all agreed, Dolly Parton is
a movie star. Literally with several different people's takes. Most
of the reviews that I read, by the way, were
from men. Were from men. Which should be noted. Yeah. Anyway,
moving on. Of course, she also helped with the musical
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talent by writing the title song and hit 9 to 5, which,
by the way, Caroline Irvin, previous host of the show,
kills that song. It is her song in karaoke.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
I can see that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
She does a phenomenal job. She dances. She takes on
the spirit of Dolly Parton and hits those high notes
like nobody's business. Just in case you're wondering. It's a banger.
It's a banger, and she hits it, y'all.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Anyway.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Originally an idea from Jane Fonda and others from her
production company at the time, after learning about a women's
organization of the same name, 9to5, a quote from her says,
My ideas for films always come from things that I
hear and perceive in my daily life. A very old
friend of mine had started an organization in Boston called 9to5,
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which was an association of women office workers. I heard
them talking about their work, and they had some great stories,
and I've always been attracted to those 1940s films with
three female stars. And yes, it's absolutely that kind of, like,
hijinks ensues with these three women trying to help each
other out, but supporting each other. I love it. This
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movie has been impactful and still remains relevant today. So
let's start with the characters. The four characters we're going
to mainly talk about. Of course, we will throw some
other people in there. But just so you know, Judy Burnley,
played by Jane Fonda, is the new worker, new to
work and recently divorced. Yes, she had the stereotypical husband
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cheating on her with the secretary, of course. Then we
have Violet Newstead, played by Lily Tomlin, which, by the way,
one of my favorite movies when I first came into
the U.S. It was called Big Business. and it's with her,
Lily Tomlin, and Bette Midler. I have not watched that since,
but Lily Tomlin is a genius, is a comedic genius.
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But she plays the pro and seasoned worker who is
the real brains behind the division, a widowed mother of
four trying to do her best in a business that
doesn't appreciate women at all. She knows this. Then we
have Dora Lee Rhodes, the kind secretary who is the
constant victim of sexual harassment. Constant.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Y'all.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Anyway. And then we have Franklin M. Hart, the VP
and jackass of the company slash of that division specifically.
So that's how we're going to. He is the villain.
If you needed to know, like outside of many other villains,
he is the main villain. Like he is the stereotypical jackass,
male white boss, balding male white boss guy. Who has to, like,
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you know, think he's real big. So anyway, those are
our characters. So jumping into the plot, we are first
introduced to Judy, who is starting her journey in the
working world after being out as a devoted wife until
her recent divorce. Violet has been assigned as her trainer,
who seems to train most people in the office, but
never sees a promotion. We meet Franklin. who was a dick,
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to put it lightly, and was even trained by Violet herself.
As Violet is training Judy, she gives her all the
office gossips and the know-hows, and even alludes to the
fact that many suspect that the secretary, Dora Lee, is
doing the boss and getting extra perks, quote-unquote. We are
quickly introduced to the fact that white men are the
most likely to get promoted and ahead in this business,
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in any business. even to the point that Frank steals
the ideas created by Violet, and he does this often,
being praised for his genius and know-how. We also are
quickly made aware of Ross, And she is the office
tattletale and sycophant to Hart. Even gets a woman fired
for discussing the salary. Hello! As we go along, we
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find out that the company is shitty and often mistrates
all of the employees, including the fact Violet has once
again been left behind with a current promotion, which went
to another white man, who Hart says is better because
businesses only want to talk to white men. He says men,
but we know what that means. And that he has
also been spreading rumors that he was sleeping with Doralee.
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So he's the one telling everyone he's having an affair.
Who has been actively trying to get away from his
vanses or sexual harassment. And pretty much assault to the
point that she jokes about it. She's like, I'm so
used to this. Which I think that's more common than not.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Unfortunately so. I think so.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
After the three women all decided after a hard day's
work to get together. To go get some drinks, they
bond over the fact that they wish they could get
rid of Hart with different detailed fantasies, including hog-tying, hunting down,
or poisoning. All the while, they're having the best time
being a little bit naughty. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge. They
smoke weed. As they return to work, a misunderstanding of
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an accident may have, you know, she may have almost
poisoned Hart.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
It's fine.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Where Hart ended up in the hospital, and a whole
hijinks ensues. Dead bodies in her trunk, anyone? Police telling someone,
you know, they ate poisoning, all those two things. Hart
finds out the accidental poisoning and how they try to
play it off. And he tries to use that against
Dora Lee in coercing her into having sex, which ended
up having him being hogtied and kidnapped. It's a partially
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true fantasy. The women soon discover that Hart has been
embezzling money from the company and decides to use that
information into blackmailing him or getting him fired. Unfortunately, it
will take up to a month to get all this
information that they need slash evidence. So they've come up
with a plan. They're going to keep him at his
house where the ladies take over the company and fix
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the problems Hart was unwilling to do for the company himself. Roz,
because she is a know-it-all and was the nosiest of
them all, was also sent to go learn French as
a part of the plan. She was sent to a
German linguistic school for a possible promotion later down the road.
All lies. Soon it becomes apparent that nobody actually missed heart,
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and the division soon becomes profitable with the implementations of
things like job sharing, in-office daycare, rehabilitation programs, and equal pay. What?
And though the plan seems to be working, the wife,
who has been gone on a solo cruise, who is
a victim in this all, but she does keep her
eyes closed, willingly believes the ridiculous, but whatever. suddenly returns
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home and is able to free Hart. Though he doesn't
tell them right away, instead he goes to fix his
little crime. He's hiding everything that he's committed and takes
all the women back to the office to gloat and
tell them that he was about to send them to jail,
call the police. However, before he could do any of that,
the chairman of the company arrives to meet with Hart
and congratulate him in his success. And it's during this time,
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Because of his great success and all the gloating, Hart
finds out he's about to be promoted as head of
the Brazilian office and transferred there as a part of
the promotion. Yay! Here, the women celebrate their success together
because not only did they not go to jail, their
works have been noted and seen as a good thing,
except for the whole equal pay thing.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Even that was too much.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
That's a stretch too far. We'll change that back. They
are sitting together, drinking their wine, toasting their success. And
then we get a little postscript about everything. Turns out
Violet ends up being VP. Thank goodness. Judy marries the
Xerox representative. There's a whole, like, comedic moment where she's
really fighting the paper machine. And Dora Lee becomes a
successful country singer. Which I'm like, they didn't have her
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singing in any of the... They needed to have a
moment where she sings in there. Whatever. And then Hart
is kidnapped by what they say is indigenous people and
disappears into the Amazons. Happy ending for all.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Never to be seen again.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Never to be seen again. Happy endings for all.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Wow. Wow.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
So, Annie, first and foremost, because you've never seen this movie, correct?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
No, that was my first time.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
What was your thoughts?
Speaker 1 (14:46):
I really enjoyed it. I thought... I thought I knew
what it was. Like, I knew that the boss got kidnapped. Like,
they kidnapped him. But I thought... I had no idea
there was going to be this whole middle section where there's, like,
car chases and car escapes and dead bodies. And I
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kept waiting for whoever... The dead body they accidentally took,
they thought he had been poisoned. And I was like,
I want to see the, like, side movie of what's
going on there. And, like... I had no idea there
was going to be all of this stuff happening in it.
And then when they smoke weed, I wasn't expecting that.
(15:30):
So it was fun and it was pretty wild. A
lot of action in it, actually.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Yeah, there is a lot of action. This is that
slapstick that happened in the 80s that we came back to,
but it was a little different. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
I was surprised. Like a lot of it actually surprised me. Yeah.
Even though I thought I knew what it was. And
I did. I mean, it's really sad, but it was
kind of shocking at how much I was like, oh, yeah,
we're still talking about that today.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
These novel ideas that is rarely instituted anywhere. No one
talked about the whole like giving away of food as
an incentive, which I loved. But someone thought it was
a thing. Yeah. So this whole movie, originally they had
thought that they were going to do it as a drama.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
And then they changed their mind. They needed a spoonful
of sugar to help it go down, essentially. It's the ideals.
Although people really didn't like that. Again, that was part
of the criticism. It was so over the top that
it's not believable. It's not worth watching. And it doesn't
really give a good turn on society. Weinstein made a
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comment about how this really impacted women and we need
to pay attention to movies like this and da-da-da-da-da-da-da.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Oh, interesting. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
So there was a documentary about Still 9 to 5,
which we came back to because we were trying to
figure out if there was a sequel or whatever, whatnot.
And then it turned out that there was a documentary
in which it's just talking about the fact that nothing's changed.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Yeah. And I wonder if that's, I mean, it is upsetting,
but I wonder if that's one of the reasons like
for me watching it for the first time now. like
I'm just so familiar with that stuff that it was
kind of nice for it to not be a drama
to me.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Right.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
And it was kind of nice. I loved how they had,
the friendship group had their fights and they all had
like moments of where they just seemed to break down. Right.
But they all kind of stuck together and built each
other up. Like I really appreciated that. It was nice to,
it was nice to see them uniting. And honestly, like,
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I was surprised at how, not graphic, but at how
kind of openly they were talking about like killing the boss.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Right.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
And bonding over that. And I was like.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
It was before all the tracking.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Well, no, it just felt like I wasn't expecting it.
I just wasn't expecting it from a movie from that time.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Right. They were. But you know. ready. They were ready.
I think there's so much to be said. And I
love that these women were the ones that play these
characters because it fit who they are today. They kind
of carried that even to today. I know Lily Tomlin,
I'm sure they all are, but Lily Tomlin and Jane
Fonda just did projects together not too long ago. They're
still friends. They're still very close. And this was the
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first movie, I believe, that they were in together. And
part of the reason she wanted to do this movie
was to work with Lily Tomlin, especially in a comedic setting. Because, again,
she's an icon when it comes to that comedy. She
kind of comes in that era of Gilda Radner. Like,
they were comedians to a different level. It really was
the beginning when you saw women making comedy, like sitcoms,
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and making slapstick and being leads in it. And it
was new, right? New World, especially. And Lily Tomlin was
at the front of that. Like I said, her and
Bette Midler and Big Business are one of my all-time
favorite movies. I wonder how it holds up. It's on
Disney right now. Not a sponsor. I'm kind of scared.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
But it's scary to revisit some of those things. Right?
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Because I was trying to find this movie to stream
somewhere and I couldn't. But like, Big business popped up,
and I was like, oh, no. Anyway, but it definitely
has a lot of, like, their backbone in it. And
you can tell it. You can tell what it is.
Immediately after that was Baby Boom came up, like, as
a play after the fact, because it's kind of reminiscent
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of the working woman having the kid and all these things.
It was interesting. But it was this era when we
were telling stories. these different types of stories from women's perspective,
women's perspective. Of course, it's also during this time that
the women can have it all. Yeah. Should have it
all comes up and it becomes kind of like a.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Because it's, you know, the 80s when... Women are coming
into the workplace.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
So speaking of which, so let's talk about some of
the themes. And the first part is that whole women
in the workplace conversation. We had the part-time employee or
a woman trying to be part-time because she has kids
and really trying to change having to work. But being there,
not being able to be for her kids and need
to be home for her kids. And we also have
the main character, Violet, who has four kids. one's an
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adult but like she's a widower trying to figure herself
out as well as a recently divorced woman and that's
you know jane fonda's character judy who's having to take
care of her quote unquote take care of herself and
because her husband left her with nothing essentially.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yeah and i did think it was interesting infuriating um
when violet was the promotion was turned down because the
boss was like well people businesses like dealing with men
and he really needed it because he has kids and
she was.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Like and i don't right right.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Right yeah yeah to see them like having these it
was interesting to have the different the dynamics of them
because dolly parton's character dora lee too she has a
what seems to be a really loving relationship Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Did it not creep you out? It creeped me out
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
It's creepy because it's like, smile for me.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Right. So there were so many things to that scene
that really bothered me because you kind of see Doralee
painted as just a doormat. And so her trying to
vent to her husband and her husband's like, don't worry
about it. Smile. Let me sex you up. This will
make you feel better. And I'm like, was that really
the solution?
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Like, is this scene supposed to show that she's happily
married and doesn't want anything to do with him and
is very satisfied with this man? Or is this just
showing that she is, yes, in fact, a doormat?
Speaker 1 (21:57):
I feel like, I think, at the time, it was
supposed to show she was happily married. I think looking
back at it, it doesn't feel that way.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Oh, it was so creepy to me. So this is
one of those movies I told you at the very beginning.
It is somehow relevant but irrelevant at the same time. Like,
both the most relevant, non-relevant movie ever. the most relevant,
that doesn't withstand time type of movie. Like, it really...
There's so many cringed things. But on top of that,
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these issues still remain.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
My vibe. But, I mean, she was very happy when
he left. But she was more happy that he was
out of town. And so she was more happy that
she could share her house so they could get high
and get drunk.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
There were so many things. But, yeah, so it was
such a weird, like... moment to me that, like, this
scene makes me feel gross. I don't know why, but
I don't like this scene. And this is supposed to depict, again, like,
her being a happily married woman. Whatever, whatnot. I do
think it's funny, like, in every... Poor Dolly Parton. She
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can't ever escape it. And she is who she is
and proud of herself. But the fact that very first
scene when we're introduced to Dora Lee, like, we have
Judy just staring at her breasts.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
In shock. Like, just staring. I'm like, poor Dolly.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
She can't just be. To be fair, we all know
she's got beautiful knockers. So go ahead, lady. It's meant to, like,
do you. But at the same time, let her be.
But yeah, that whole balanced life, they're trying to figure
it out. We also have Lily Tomlin's character, Violet, kind
of bonding with her oldest son, who is trying to
be like, yes, you need to do these things. You
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need to relax. You need to do for you. He
was giving her a lot of good advice. Whether he
knows it or not, he was a feminist.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
He also gave her the weed.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
And gave her the weed. I'm going to put it
in your pocketbook. I got you.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
I got you.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
After she fixed the garage door herself, because she don't
need no man, just someone to make sure she doesn't fall.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Yeah. That was a good scene. I liked that scene.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
I did, too. But it does come back to help
out when she has to hang up.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Dear heart. Just in cases. Just in cases. Of course,
another thing that was a very quick slip, but I
want to talk about it, was that whole racism in
the workplace. You have the one person. No, there's several
Black characters. But the first one you're introduced to is
the male character. I guess a person from the mailroom
because it's not a mailman. There's not a mail person.
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It's just like they go through the office and realizing
he has been denied a promotion himself. And he's been
working there for so long. And he's like in his mind,
he said, like, I can't even get out of the basement,
you know. And I feel like it was a very
like snip moment that a white woman would still be
with no experience.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Will still be chosen over that. And so I was like,
I feel like it's like they slipped it in there.
But they never really because we do see black women
being a part of the employee in the office. But
I feel like that was purposely put in there. And
it's good to recognize that because. Of course, sexism in
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the workplace. That's obvious, right? Like, that's the entirety.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
It's like the plot, almost.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Right, the entirety of the plot. Business is not working
with women. Like, they don't want to talk to them.
They don't think they're, like, competent to do so. The whole, like,
taking credit for her work, pretending like he doesn't, that
whole moment where he looks at the, uh, her proposal
she sent to him about color-coding something. Mm-hmm. And he's like, oh,
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I have to look at that because there's, this needs
to be fixed. And then immediately turning around and using
it To get more credibility to his name.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Or that could be just any underling versus, like, we
know that's not necessarily just because she's a woman, but,
you know, but who's being promoted, who is being seen,
who is being noted. Like, everybody who was ahead were
all men of the departments, as we saw. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
And it did come back to bite him. I mean,
that's what got him sent to Brazil, which he didn't
want to go. Right. Because he'd been taking credit for
all their ideas.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
All their work. Even if he didn't know it at
that point.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Right. He couldn't back out because it had done so well. Right.
He was getting all this praise.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Instead of being like, she should be promoted. She's the
one who did this.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Couldn't do that. And then, of course, a line that...
Kind of was a tagline for him for Heart, the sexist, egotistical, lying,
hypocritical bigot. It just follows him because they repeatedly say
that to him because he is.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
He is. And I knew it watching it. And I
was waiting for it. And I was like, I wonder
how overt this is going to be. Pretty overt.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
The knocking of things to make Doralee pick it up.
The cleavage shot. The buying of the scarf, the having Violet,
who was not his secretary, continually doing secretarial things, including
going to buy a scarf.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
That he lied and said was for his wife.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Right.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
It was actually for Doralee.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
And they all assume because he spread the rumor, it
was one of the perks she was getting for sleeping
with him. Of course, sexual harassment, which this one was
so intense that I was like, my God. And it
was We have to have it in. I think I've
watched this movie during one of our reproductive rights organizations
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put on the movie viewing as like a Q &
A fundraiser thing that I actually went with Caroline with.
And we had that moment. And I think one of
the conversation was, yeah, just like you said earlier, these
things are so likely or real. That if it wasn't
put into this extreme level of comedic scenery, nobody could
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actually watch this. No women could actually watch this.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
It would be miserable. It would be like, yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
I have to deal with it all the time. Yeah,
being traumatized. Interestingly, I also was like, um... When she
does her taking it out on him, I'm like, this
would never work because they would actually take that as
an advance. He would jump on that immediately.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yeah. Yeah. So you're talking about Doralee's fantasy, right? Right.
So in her fantasy, she's like, I'd reverse it, essentially,
and give him a taste of his own medicine. And
I mean, it's very striking because you're like, yeah, this
feels weird, like, because she's a woman, right? doing this
to a man. Not that that doesn't happen, but it
felt very like, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Right. And it does happen. But in this specific scenario
where he is harassing her and trying to coerce her,
he wants her to do this. Right. These are the
things that he wants from her.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Right.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
So to me, I was like, this is not what
you think this is. Like, it's not just the power.
It is.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
So all these things to me, it was like, okay.
But also, like, I... have experienced harassment sexual harassment in
a way that came off as jokes yes so this
feels kind of like yeah like this is the only
way we could actually like be funny but at the
same time that's what they do to hide it so
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it kind of is a double standard like yeah we
got to be careful on how we do this again
they did what they had to do and could do
in 1980 so but like 45 years ago, this was,
you know, trying to, I think trying to have men
watch it and be like, you know what I mean? You,
this is not you because you're not as extreme, but
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this happens in the office in that awful type of
conversation and type of like light handedly, like women go
through this.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Right. And I think the issue is a lot of
men don't... I don't know. They don't realize... To them,
it's normal. So it's like, yeah, I don't see what
your issue is. Right.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
But she was able to say no. It's not like
she couldn't say no. And she handled it. She didn't
make it a big deal. She knew he was not
completely real.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Yeah. Which I can admit, I did appreciate. I liked...
how she was like, I've been up front with you,
all of this, all of this, all of this. But
it was kind of unbelievable because you're like, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
This is not what happened. But a happier point of
this movie, as you were already referencing, Annie, is that
this movie is about women supporting women. One thing that
I have seen about Jane Fonda, she loves her girls.
She loves her friends. And she vouches for her friends.
I think that she was already kind of marred by
a lot of politicians and, I guess, Hollywood, especially right-leaning Hollywood.
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At that point, because she had been protesting the Vietnam War,
people were pissed saying that she is anti-American because she
did not like the war. She felt like it was political. Dot, dot, dot.
Even the way she speaks about the rights of people today,
she's never changed her stance. I honestly think the whole
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weed scene was a big f * * * you
to the government.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
I loved it.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
I've not seen anything. I've not read anything. Maybe I've
missed it. So if y'all know an article where she
talks about that, I'm almost like 80, 90, 100% sure
that she did this as a f * * *
you to the government. Because it was their war on
drugs instead of seeing that their war in general was
what they should be concentrating on. So it was interesting
(31:50):
to me because... She was that person. But like I said,
her love for working with Lily Tomlin and making sure
that this was in the forefront. Her love for her
friend from Boston, loving what she was doing and wanting
it to be bigger and wanting to have a bigger conversation.
I don't know if it truly worked. We're talking about
it today. And if you weren't a huge fan and
did this research, I wouldn't have known that it was
(32:11):
an organization until after the fact. You know what I mean?
I would have just thought, this is a great movie.
Moving on. So it's an interesting take. I'm trying to
remember my family's liking of this movie or not because
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my mom is very conservative, stay-at-home mom. I don't know
if she actually watched it, but she loves Dolly Parton.
My family loves some Dolly Parton. Christmas music is Dolly
Parton and Kenny Rogers. Our only vacation growing up was
to Dollywood. So I can't imagine that they didn't know
about this, but I'm sure we watched it. I just
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don't have a big significant remembering what their response was
to this.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
I mean, it's going back. I imagine I have no
idea how your family responded to it. But going back
to that double-edged sword of making something more palatable so
more people will watch it is I think probably a
lot of conservative people watched it and were sort of like,
You know, ha ha ha, that's the way it is.
(33:26):
Instead of ha ha ha, we should change this. Like,
this is bad. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (33:30):
I'm assuming it's ha ha ha, that's so extreme that
it's not realistic. It doesn't happen. So, of course, they
made him a super villain in order to be palatable.
Instead of having real life commonalities. And he gets punished
in the end. And that's how they think it works. Like,
oh yeah, but if you truly deserve to be punished,
you will be. Right. Which is not what's happening. What happens.
(33:50):
But yes, back to the women supporting women thing. They
definitely do. One right after. Like, still a body. All right,
we're going to help you out. Let's put the body back.
No one knows. No one needs to know. We got
a plan.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
I was not expecting that at all.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
That's one of the best. You poisoned him? Okay, let's
get you a lawyer. We're going to get you a lawyer.
Calm down. It's all right. I also love the whole shooting. Like,
Judy has got the gun. Mm-hmm. Which, of course, Dolly
Parton has a gun in her pocket, which I'm like,
this is really legal.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Yeah, even in the 80s. I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
I would think so.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
But maybe not. Who knows? But, like, her shooting at him, hog-tying,
and everybody's like, okay, okay, hog-tying. This makes sense. We
know who to go to when we're in trouble. I
love that. They had a plan and had each other's backs.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Yeah. They did. And like I said, I appreciated that
they got angry at each other sometimes.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Right, right.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
But they were still like, no, okay, okay, we can
fix that. We can do this.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
I will say the entire time, Dora Lee seemed to
be the most common sense, take charge of the people.
And I love that when they discover they're going to
change out the fender or they're trying to pull the
fender back and they're going to get the tool. They
don't care that there's a body back there. They are
(35:17):
shocked that this is not the body they thought it was.
But not too shocked, because they're like, Judy, can you
come here for a second? That play out was so
funny to me. That relaxed door release. Like, huh. This
isn't right. We need to change our plan. Still my favorite.
(35:40):
I also love....
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Everyone's really judgmental of Dora Lee because they think she's
having a affair with the boss. And so they don't
sit with her and all this stuff. But I kind
of love how Violet was like, whatever. Like even from
the beginning, she was like, live and let live. I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
She actually says, good for you. Do what you need to.
Like she actually is like, if you have to do that,
go for it.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
But I like how quickly, yeah, they really bonded and
came together. And it was really fun to see them.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
All it takes is some weed, Annie. A little drink,
some little weed, apparently. And a plan, and a few plans.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Responsible substance use, everyone.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
But yeah, like we said, going on, another theme. It's
not a theme, but I think it's a fun side note. Again,
apparently Reagan's wife watched the movie. And it was during
Valentine's Day, I guess. I don't know the release date.
It might have been around that time. And apparently Reagan,
Ronald Reagan, liked it, except for the weed part. Like,
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he made a statement about it, saying something about how
it made it more appealing for the young folks. It
romanticized it, and they shouldn't have done that. It would
have been fine if it had just been alcohol, is
what he says. And I'm like, really? Wow.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Had to make a statement.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Like, I think he just made, but like, the fact
that he liked the movie. And like, I'm like, and
his wife really liked the movie. And like, your wife
is a is a Roz of the world, just so
we know. She's the Roz if we needed to talk
about it. And then, unfortunately, we're kind of going to
come back to what's happening today. Again, there are talks
(37:26):
about having it be remade. I believe Jennifer Aniston's company
is looking into it about possibly making a remake. It
kept saying this year, but I don't know if that's
true or if it's just like they're still always talking
about it. I think it needs to be an action
movie at this point. This needs to be like a
Noah Hall's Bard, like, revenge film at this moment, is
(37:49):
what I'm going to say. So there's an article written,
I think it was in 2021, so not too recent, but,
you know, recent enough, about the movie titled Why 9
to 5 Still Resonates Today. And it's by Karen Nussbaum. So,
and they say, it took social movements in the 1960s
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and 70s to restore progress to women who had lost
so much ground and leaped forward. So the success of
9 to 5 in 1980 captured that momentum and promised
a future of positive change. A promise that, as still
working 9 to 5 will remind you, still hasn't been fulfilled.
And then on top of that, unfortunately, that.
(38:34):
Movement that happened in the 60s, 70s that resulted into
the Equal Employment Opportunity Act has been revoked with the
Civil Rights Act as of this week in 2025. Today's
January 23, 2025. I hope when people listen back to
this that we can come back about this being a
dark moment and that it has changed. This is my
(38:57):
hope because those types of revoking, like I cannot believe
This is the act he thought would really save everything.
The tales from everybody talking about this is discriminatory, that
this act was discriminatory. So somehow the people who have
(39:21):
the most money, the group of people that has the
most likelihood of surviving and being successful and having homes
and being able to have this all that we've talked
about are suddenly being discriminated against somehow who are statistically
more have more profit and if you are wondering if
(39:41):
just because you're white does not mean this help you
especially for the women And I know our listeners, they
already know. They already know. And you're not the people
that I'm talking to at all. Any immigrant, any person
of color who really thought this wouldn't happen is happening.
(40:02):
It's interesting because these movies were trying to be a
cautionary tale and then kind of like a hopeful future.
And then 45 years later, we're worse than they were.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Yep. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
After I was finished kind of revamping and rethinking some
of these themes, and I didn't, we didn't change anything
except for like, we're going to have to at least
talk about where we are today. I really needed a nap.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
That's fair. That's fair.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
I was like, I just need to close my eyes.
When I talk about narcolepsy, I'm like, this is why
I think I have narcolepsy. Because when I'm stressed like this,
my body physically shuts down.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
You know, we won't go into this now, but I
was thinking about it recently. And I was like, it's
so interesting to me. I would be so much more
productive if I didn't have all of this bullshit to
deal with. And your capitalism would be doing a lot better.
But instead, I'm like, oh, God. Let me just sit
(41:18):
down for a minute.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Yeah. There's a lot, especially as we wait to see
if people... Because we already know ACLU has already gone
after the administration for the immigration ban, taking this whole
birthright citizenship, which apparently... they can't do at this point
(41:40):
it's not legal it's just yeah fluff yeah doesn't mean
they're not going to try no uh doesn't mean ice
has not already been out there um and we do
want to come back and do an episode about what
to know about your rights um for any immigrants technically
i am too i mean i am a citizen however
it is naturalized so we know the how that can
(42:01):
go so um the fear is very real But we
will come back and we do want to talk about
your rights and how to go forward in that in
this conversation. Please know we love you. We're thinking about you. But.
On this Feminist Movie Friday, what I thought would be
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a conversation about a good old classic with things that
we still need to learn. I didn't realize we would
come back with this is no longer relevant because it
is relevant, but less like. Again, the fact that we're
talking about it in a way that we have less
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rights than the people in this movie is phenomenal. So,
this is a fantasy. This movie is a fantasy. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
It was a fun one, though.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Yeah, so if you would like to see A fantasy
feel-good movie for the moment with a lot of 80s sitcomic.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
Oh, the technology.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
We didn't even talk about that. Yeah, we didn't even
talk about that. The tap, tap, tap.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Oh, my gosh. The tap, tap, tap.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
And then the giant printer. The phone headset. The printer. Yeah.
We didn't even talk about the woman who was an
alcoholic at the office. I feel you.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
I loved her. I love that she's like, attagirl.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Attagirl. Every single one of them.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Attagirl. I quit.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
I'm done for the day. I'm going to get a drink. Attagirl.
she said medicinal purposes.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
I do love how they were all like I'm going
to get a drink in the middle of the day
and everyone was like okay.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Enjoy it kind of looks like you know like pre
people having breakdowns at offices yeah like understanding do not
push her yes let her go you.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Don't need this you.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Don't want this let them go But with all of that,
we love you. Take the time to enjoy some of
these fantasies. It's okay. You can't be in a constant
state of panic. It's not good for you.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
No. No, it's not. We hope that these episodes, some
of them, of course, we will be tackling current issues,
but the ones where we get to have a bit
more fun, we hope that they're bright spots for you.
And that you can find a moment in them to
maybe take a breath.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Enjoy.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
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(45:02):
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Speaker 1 (45:08):
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Hey, this is Annie.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
And Samantha.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
And welcome to Stuff I Never Told You, a production
of iHeartRadio. And today we are bringing back a classic
with a heavy heart. I know I recently said I
try not to bring back so many entertainment-based episodes all
(00:32):
at once but a lot of things have happened in
the entertainment world feels all at once but one of
the sad things is we have lost Dolly Parton yes
I legitimately did have a moment I know you talked
about it I was upset I was upset in a
(00:52):
way that doesn't normally happen with celebrities for me but
that one got me She just did so much. There
is another episode Spinty has done, Kristen and Caroline did,
about her history. We've already brought it back and we
brought it back during COVID because she was a big
(01:16):
proponent of vaccines. So she's been active in things like that.
She was active in children's books and getting children to read.
And she just had An amazing life and an amazing story.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Right. I think she was one that was really noted
as understanding that the world does not need billionaires. And
so as she could have been a billionaire, but she
continued to give back, realizing that she needed to pour
back in as much as it was poured into her.
And she absolutely did that. She stood ten toes down
(01:50):
in making sure that she was doing as much for
the communities and the people around her. She really was someone,
if anybody... was able to unite a country is her.
Like the people who you would absolutely... Donald Trump, who
would not lower his flags for hardly anybody, has lowered
(02:11):
his flag, lowered his flag, lowered the flag for her
for a week. And that just comes to talk about
how she was. And she cared nothing about politics, whether
it was Biden or Trump. She absolutely did not care
about the Medal of Freedom. She was like... eh, I'm good.
She was an amazing woman and my heart is broken
(02:34):
that she has died. This year sucks.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
This year does suck. And that was a... It felt
sudden to me. I'm sure it wasn't, but it just
felt like, oh, now I've got to... process this too.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah like she was she was holding back she said
she had dizzy spells but never really told what was
happening she was very private I think that's the other
part she was amazingly private and she understood to keep
her life separate I think that's probably also what made
her an icon and yeah this movie that we did
9 to 5 we're like oh I can't believe we
haven't talked about this also they're talking about trying to
(03:18):
make 925 a day a Dolly Remembrance Day yeah so
it's the day before my birthday and i was like
yes i would love to share that time frame with.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Her yes so we did this movie nine to five
uh which has dolly parton in it and uh it
also has lily tomlin in it which we recently talked
about in our miss frizzle episode yes yes yes connections
yeah connections um But yes, very sad about this. I
(03:52):
know a lot of people are. But this movie was a,
it was a fun, it was a fun movie. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
So please enjoy this classic episode. Hey, this is Annie.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
And Samantha.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
And welcome to Step One Never Told You, a production
of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
And we, for this Feminist Movie Friday, if you're happening
to listen on a Friday, hey, good job. If not,
no matter. It's still Feminist Movie Day. Whatever day you
want to slip in there. We are throwing it back.
All the way back to 1980, y'all.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
For a cult classic, which is now what it is deemed,
one with some interesting mixed reviews. But a movie that
has made its mark, so much so that it spawned
TV shows, musicals, and even a possible remake currently in
the works, supposedly. I don't know. There's even a documentary
(05:03):
of where we are now. Spoiler alert, we're not much
better off. Actually, we're worse. We are talking about the
classic 9 to 5. So just an FYI, from the
day I suggested this movie to the day I wrote
this damn outline, changes have occurred and sadness has ensued.
(05:25):
And the way we were talking about this movie has
swiftly changed. So if something seems kind of like we're
coming backtracking and be like, well, it's actually this now,
it's because in the middle of literally two weeks, a
movie from the 1980s has already changed, like, perspectives just
within these two weeks of in 2025. Deep breath in
and out. But yes, so with everything that's happening, it
(05:52):
seems it is. It's the fact that we are going backwards.
We thought it would be a good time to revisit
a classic. One of the many things this movie did,
it catapulted the beginning of Dolly Parton's acting career. It
was her first debut, and... Even if people did not
like this movie, people said it was unrealistic. Of course
it's unrealistic. Sorry. People said it was too cheeky. People
(06:16):
said it was too sitcom-y. All of these criticisms to it.
But the one thing they all agreed, Dolly Parton is
a movie star. Literally with several different people's takes. Most
of the reviews that I read, by the way, were
from men. Were from men. Which should be noted. Yeah. Anyway,
moving on. Of course, she also helped with the musical
(06:38):
talent by writing the title song and hit 9 to 5, which,
by the way, Caroline Irvin, previous host of the show,
kills that song. It is her song in karaoke.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
I can see that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
She does a phenomenal job. She dances. She takes on
the spirit of Dolly Parton and hits those high notes
like nobody's business. Just in case you're wondering. It's a banger.
It's a banger, and she hits it, y'all.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Anyway.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Originally an idea from Jane Fonda and others from her
production company at the time, after learning about a women's
organization of the same name, 9to5, a quote from her says,
My ideas for films always come from things that I
hear and perceive in my daily life. A very old
friend of mine had started an organization in Boston called 9to5,
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which was an association of women office workers. I heard
them talking about their work, and they had some great stories,
and I've always been attracted to those 1940s films with
three female stars. And yes, it's absolutely that kind of, like,
hijinks ensues with these three women trying to help each
other out, but supporting each other. I love it. This
(07:47):
movie has been impactful and still remains relevant today. So
let's start with the characters. The four characters we're going
to mainly talk about. Of course, we will throw some
other people in there. But just so you know, Judy Burnley,
played by Jane Fonda, is the new worker, new to
work and recently divorced. Yes, she had the stereotypical husband
(08:07):
cheating on her with the secretary, of course. Then we
have Violet Newstead, played by Lily Tomlin, which, by the way,
one of my favorite movies when I first came into
the U.S. It was called Big Business. and it's with her,
Lily Tomlin, and Bette Midler. I have not watched that since,
but Lily Tomlin is a genius, is a comedic genius.
(08:30):
But she plays the pro and seasoned worker who is
the real brains behind the division, a widowed mother of
four trying to do her best in a business that
doesn't appreciate women at all. She knows this. Then we
have Dora Lee Rhodes, the kind secretary who is the
constant victim of sexual harassment. Constant.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Y'all.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Anyway. And then we have Franklin M. Hart, the VP
and jackass of the company slash of that division specifically.
So that's how we're going to. He is the villain.
If you needed to know, like outside of many other villains,
he is the main villain. Like he is the stereotypical jackass,
male white boss, balding male white boss guy. Who has to, like,
(09:15):
you know, think he's real big. So anyway, those are
our characters. So jumping into the plot, we are first
introduced to Judy, who is starting her journey in the
working world after being out as a devoted wife until
her recent divorce. Violet has been assigned as her trainer,
who seems to train most people in the office, but
never sees a promotion. We meet Franklin. who was a dick,
(09:36):
to put it lightly, and was even trained by Violet herself.
As Violet is training Judy, she gives her all the
office gossips and the know-hows, and even alludes to the
fact that many suspect that the secretary, Dora Lee, is
doing the boss and getting extra perks, quote-unquote. We are
quickly introduced to the fact that white men are the
most likely to get promoted and ahead in this business,
(09:59):
in any business. even to the point that Frank steals
the ideas created by Violet, and he does this often,
being praised for his genius and know-how. We also are
quickly made aware of Ross, And she is the office
tattletale and sycophant to Hart. Even gets a woman fired
for discussing the salary. Hello! As we go along, we
(10:23):
find out that the company is shitty and often mistrates
all of the employees, including the fact Violet has once
again been left behind with a current promotion, which went
to another white man, who Hart says is better because
businesses only want to talk to white men. He says men,
but we know what that means. And that he has
also been spreading rumors that he was sleeping with Doralee.
(10:43):
So he's the one telling everyone he's having an affair.
Who has been actively trying to get away from his
vanses or sexual harassment. And pretty much assault to the
point that she jokes about it. She's like, I'm so
used to this. Which I think that's more common than not.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Unfortunately so. I think so.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
After the three women all decided after a hard day's
work to get together. To go get some drinks, they
bond over the fact that they wish they could get
rid of Hart with different detailed fantasies, including hog-tying, hunting down,
or poisoning. All the while, they're having the best time
being a little bit naughty. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge. They
smoke weed. As they return to work, a misunderstanding of
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an accident may have, you know, she may have almost
poisoned Hart.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
It's fine.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Where Hart ended up in the hospital, and a whole
hijinks ensues. Dead bodies in her trunk, anyone? Police telling someone,
you know, they ate poisoning, all those two things. Hart
finds out the accidental poisoning and how they try to
play it off. And he tries to use that against
Dora Lee in coercing her into having sex, which ended
up having him being hogtied and kidnapped. It's a partially
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true fantasy. The women soon discover that Hart has been
embezzling money from the company and decides to use that
information into blackmailing him or getting him fired. Unfortunately, it
will take up to a month to get all this
information that they need slash evidence. So they've come up
with a plan. They're going to keep him at his
house where the ladies take over the company and fix
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the problems Hart was unwilling to do for the company himself. Roz,
because she is a know-it-all and was the nosiest of
them all, was also sent to go learn French as
a part of the plan. She was sent to a
German linguistic school for a possible promotion later down the road.
All lies. Soon it becomes apparent that nobody actually missed heart,
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and the division soon becomes profitable with the implementations of
things like job sharing, in-office daycare, rehabilitation programs, and equal pay. What?
And though the plan seems to be working, the wife,
who has been gone on a solo cruise, who is
a victim in this all, but she does keep her
eyes closed, willingly believes the ridiculous, but whatever. suddenly returns
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home and is able to free Hart. Though he doesn't
tell them right away, instead he goes to fix his
little crime. He's hiding everything that he's committed and takes
all the women back to the office to gloat and
tell them that he was about to send them to jail,
call the police. However, before he could do any of that,
the chairman of the company arrives to meet with Hart
and congratulate him in his success. And it's during this time,
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Because of his great success and all the gloating, Hart
finds out he's about to be promoted as head of
the Brazilian office and transferred there as a part of
the promotion. Yay! Here, the women celebrate their success together
because not only did they not go to jail, their
works have been noted and seen as a good thing,
except for the whole equal pay thing.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Even that was too much.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
That's a stretch too far. We'll change that back. They
are sitting together, drinking their wine, toasting their success. And
then we get a little postscript about everything. Turns out
Violet ends up being VP. Thank goodness. Judy marries the
Xerox representative. There's a whole, like, comedic moment where she's
really fighting the paper machine. And Dora Lee becomes a
successful country singer. Which I'm like, they didn't have her
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singing in any of the... They needed to have a
moment where she sings in there. Whatever. And then Hart
is kidnapped by what they say is indigenous people and
disappears into the Amazons. Happy ending for all.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Never to be seen again.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Never to be seen again. Happy endings for all.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Wow. Wow.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
So, Annie, first and foremost, because you've never seen this movie, correct?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
No, that was my first time.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
What was your thoughts?
Speaker 1 (14:46):
I really enjoyed it. I thought... I thought I knew
what it was. Like, I knew that the boss got kidnapped. Like,
they kidnapped him. But I thought... I had no idea
there was going to be this whole middle section where there's, like,
car chases and car escapes and dead bodies. And I
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kept waiting for whoever... The dead body they accidentally took,
they thought he had been poisoned. And I was like,
I want to see the, like, side movie of what's
going on there. And, like... I had no idea there
was going to be all of this stuff happening in it.
And then when they smoke weed, I wasn't expecting that.
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So it was fun and it was pretty wild. A
lot of action in it, actually.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Yeah, there is a lot of action. This is that
slapstick that happened in the 80s that we came back to,
but it was a little different. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
I was surprised. Like a lot of it actually surprised me. Yeah.
Even though I thought I knew what it was. And
I did. I mean, it's really sad, but it was
kind of shocking at how much I was like, oh, yeah,
we're still talking about that today.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
These novel ideas that is rarely instituted anywhere. No one
talked about the whole like giving away of food as
an incentive, which I loved. But someone thought it was
a thing. Yeah. So this whole movie, originally they had
thought that they were going to do it as a drama.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
And then they changed their mind. They needed a spoonful
of sugar to help it go down, essentially. It's the ideals.
Although people really didn't like that. Again, that was part
of the criticism. It was so over the top that
it's not believable. It's not worth watching. And it doesn't
really give a good turn on society. Weinstein made a
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comment about how this really impacted women and we need
to pay attention to movies like this and da-da-da-da-da-da-da.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Oh, interesting. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
So there was a documentary about Still 9 to 5,
which we came back to because we were trying to
figure out if there was a sequel or whatever, whatnot.
And then it turned out that there was a documentary
in which it's just talking about the fact that nothing's changed.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Yeah. And I wonder if that's, I mean, it is upsetting,
but I wonder if that's one of the reasons like
for me watching it for the first time now. like
I'm just so familiar with that stuff that it was
kind of nice for it to not be a drama
to me.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Right.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
And it was kind of nice. I loved how they had,
the friendship group had their fights and they all had
like moments of where they just seemed to break down. Right.
But they all kind of stuck together and built each
other up. Like I really appreciated that. It was nice to,
it was nice to see them uniting. And honestly, like,
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I was surprised at how, not graphic, but at how
kind of openly they were talking about like killing the boss.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Right.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
And bonding over that. And I was like.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
It was before all the tracking.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Well, no, it just felt like I wasn't expecting it.
I just wasn't expecting it from a movie from that time.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Right. They were. But you know. ready. They were ready.
I think there's so much to be said. And I
love that these women were the ones that play these
characters because it fit who they are today. They kind
of carried that even to today. I know Lily Tomlin,
I'm sure they all are, but Lily Tomlin and Jane
Fonda just did projects together not too long ago. They're
still friends. They're still very close. And this was the
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first movie, I believe, that they were in together. And
part of the reason she wanted to do this movie
was to work with Lily Tomlin, especially in a comedic setting. Because, again,
she's an icon when it comes to that comedy. She
kind of comes in that era of Gilda Radner. Like,
they were comedians to a different level. It really was
the beginning when you saw women making comedy, like sitcoms,
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and making slapstick and being leads in it. And it
was new, right? New World, especially. And Lily Tomlin was
at the front of that. Like I said, her and
Bette Midler and Big Business are one of my all-time
favorite movies. I wonder how it holds up. It's on
Disney right now. Not a sponsor. I'm kind of scared.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
But it's scary to revisit some of those things. Right?
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Because I was trying to find this movie to stream
somewhere and I couldn't. But like, Big business popped up,
and I was like, oh, no. Anyway, but it definitely
has a lot of, like, their backbone in it. And
you can tell it. You can tell what it is.
Immediately after that was Baby Boom came up, like, as
a play after the fact, because it's kind of reminiscent
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of the working woman having the kid and all these things.
It was interesting. But it was this era when we
were telling stories. these different types of stories from women's perspective,
women's perspective. Of course, it's also during this time that
the women can have it all. Yeah. Should have it
all comes up and it becomes kind of like a.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Because it's, you know, the 80s when... Women are coming
into the workplace.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
So speaking of which, so let's talk about some of
the themes. And the first part is that whole women
in the workplace conversation. We had the part-time employee or
a woman trying to be part-time because she has kids
and really trying to change having to work. But being there,
not being able to be for her kids and need
to be home for her kids. And we also have
the main character, Violet, who has four kids. one's an
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adult but like she's a widower trying to figure herself
out as well as a recently divorced woman and that's
you know jane fonda's character judy who's having to take
care of her quote unquote take care of herself and
because her husband left her with nothing essentially.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yeah and i did think it was interesting infuriating um
when violet was the promotion was turned down because the
boss was like well people businesses like dealing with men
and he really needed it because he has kids and
she was.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Like and i don't right right.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Right yeah yeah to see them like having these it
was interesting to have the different the dynamics of them
because dolly parton's character dora lee too she has a
what seems to be a really loving relationship Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Did it not creep you out? It creeped me out
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
It's creepy because it's like, smile for me.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Right. So there were so many things to that scene
that really bothered me because you kind of see Doralee
painted as just a doormat. And so her trying to
vent to her husband and her husband's like, don't worry
about it. Smile. Let me sex you up. This will
make you feel better. And I'm like, was that really
the solution?
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Like, is this scene supposed to show that she's happily
married and doesn't want anything to do with him and
is very satisfied with this man? Or is this just
showing that she is, yes, in fact, a doormat?
Speaker 1 (21:57):
I feel like, I think, at the time, it was
supposed to show she was happily married. I think looking
back at it, it doesn't feel that way.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Oh, it was so creepy to me. So this is
one of those movies I told you at the very beginning.
It is somehow relevant but irrelevant at the same time. Like,
both the most relevant, non-relevant movie ever. the most relevant,
that doesn't withstand time type of movie. Like, it really...
There's so many cringed things. But on top of that,
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these issues still remain.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
My vibe. But, I mean, she was very happy when
he left. But she was more happy that he was
out of town. And so she was more happy that
she could share her house so they could get high
and get drunk.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
There were so many things. But, yeah, so it was
such a weird, like... moment to me that, like, this
scene makes me feel gross. I don't know why, but
I don't like this scene. And this is supposed to depict, again, like,
her being a happily married woman. Whatever, whatnot. I do
think it's funny, like, in every... Poor Dolly Parton. She
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can't ever escape it. And she is who she is
and proud of herself. But the fact that very first
scene when we're introduced to Dora Lee, like, we have
Judy just staring at her breasts.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
In shock. Like, just staring. I'm like, poor Dolly.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
She can't just be. To be fair, we all know
she's got beautiful knockers. So go ahead, lady. It's meant to, like,
do you. But at the same time, let her be.
But yeah, that whole balanced life, they're trying to figure
it out. We also have Lily Tomlin's character, Violet, kind
of bonding with her oldest son, who is trying to
be like, yes, you need to do these things. You
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need to relax. You need to do for you. He
was giving her a lot of good advice. Whether he
knows it or not, he was a feminist.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
He also gave her the weed.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
And gave her the weed. I'm going to put it
in your pocketbook. I got you.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
I got you.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
After she fixed the garage door herself, because she don't
need no man, just someone to make sure she doesn't fall.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Yeah. That was a good scene. I liked that scene.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
I did, too. But it does come back to help
out when she has to hang up.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Dear heart. Just in cases. Just in cases. Of course,
another thing that was a very quick slip, but I
want to talk about it, was that whole racism in
the workplace. You have the one person. No, there's several
Black characters. But the first one you're introduced to is
the male character. I guess a person from the mailroom
because it's not a mailman. There's not a mail person.
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It's just like they go through the office and realizing
he has been denied a promotion himself. And he's been
working there for so long. And he's like in his mind,
he said, like, I can't even get out of the basement,
you know. And I feel like it was a very
like snip moment that a white woman would still be
with no experience.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Will still be chosen over that. And so I was like,
I feel like it's like they slipped it in there.
But they never really because we do see black women
being a part of the employee in the office. But
I feel like that was purposely put in there. And
it's good to recognize that because. Of course, sexism in
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the workplace. That's obvious, right? Like, that's the entirety.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
It's like the plot, almost.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Right, the entirety of the plot. Business is not working
with women. Like, they don't want to talk to them.
They don't think they're, like, competent to do so. The whole, like,
taking credit for her work, pretending like he doesn't, that
whole moment where he looks at the, uh, her proposal
she sent to him about color-coding something. Mm-hmm. And he's like, oh,
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I have to look at that because there's, this needs
to be fixed. And then immediately turning around and using
it To get more credibility to his name.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Or that could be just any underling versus, like, we
know that's not necessarily just because she's a woman, but,
you know, but who's being promoted, who is being seen,
who is being noted. Like, everybody who was ahead were
all men of the departments, as we saw. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
And it did come back to bite him. I mean,
that's what got him sent to Brazil, which he didn't
want to go. Right. Because he'd been taking credit for
all their ideas.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
All their work. Even if he didn't know it at
that point.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Right. He couldn't back out because it had done so well. Right.
He was getting all this praise.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Instead of being like, she should be promoted. She's the
one who did this.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Couldn't do that. And then, of course, a line that...
Kind of was a tagline for him for Heart, the sexist, egotistical, lying,
hypocritical bigot. It just follows him because they repeatedly say
that to him because he is.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
He is. And I knew it watching it. And I
was waiting for it. And I was like, I wonder
how overt this is going to be. Pretty overt.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
The knocking of things to make Doralee pick it up.
The cleavage shot. The buying of the scarf, the having Violet,
who was not his secretary, continually doing secretarial things, including
going to buy a scarf.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
That he lied and said was for his wife.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Right.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
It was actually for Doralee.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
And they all assume because he spread the rumor, it
was one of the perks she was getting for sleeping
with him. Of course, sexual harassment, which this one was
so intense that I was like, my God. And it
was We have to have it in. I think I've
watched this movie during one of our reproductive rights organizations
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put on the movie viewing as like a Q &
A fundraiser thing that I actually went with Caroline with.
And we had that moment. And I think one of
the conversation was, yeah, just like you said earlier, these
things are so likely or real. That if it wasn't
put into this extreme level of comedic scenery, nobody could
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actually watch this. No women could actually watch this.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
It would be miserable. It would be like, yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
I have to deal with it all the time. Yeah,
being traumatized. Interestingly, I also was like, um... When she
does her taking it out on him, I'm like, this
would never work because they would actually take that as
an advance. He would jump on that immediately.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yeah. Yeah. So you're talking about Doralee's fantasy, right? Right.
So in her fantasy, she's like, I'd reverse it, essentially,
and give him a taste of his own medicine. And
I mean, it's very striking because you're like, yeah, this
feels weird, like, because she's a woman, right? doing this
to a man. Not that that doesn't happen, but it
felt very like, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Right. And it does happen. But in this specific scenario
where he is harassing her and trying to coerce her,
he wants her to do this. Right. These are the
things that he wants from her.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Right.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
So to me, I was like, this is not what
you think this is. Like, it's not just the power.
It is.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
So all these things to me, it was like, okay.
But also, like, I... have experienced harassment sexual harassment in
a way that came off as jokes yes so this
feels kind of like yeah like this is the only
way we could actually like be funny but at the
same time that's what they do to hide it so
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it kind of is a double standard like yeah we
got to be careful on how we do this again
they did what they had to do and could do
in 1980 so but like 45 years ago, this was,
you know, trying to, I think trying to have men
watch it and be like, you know what I mean? You,
this is not you because you're not as extreme, but
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this happens in the office in that awful type of
conversation and type of like light handedly, like women go
through this.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Right. And I think the issue is a lot of
men don't... I don't know. They don't realize... To them,
it's normal. So it's like, yeah, I don't see what
your issue is. Right.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
But she was able to say no. It's not like
she couldn't say no. And she handled it. She didn't
make it a big deal. She knew he was not
completely real.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Yeah. Which I can admit, I did appreciate. I liked...
how she was like, I've been up front with you,
all of this, all of this, all of this. But
it was kind of unbelievable because you're like, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
This is not what happened. But a happier point of
this movie, as you were already referencing, Annie, is that
this movie is about women supporting women. One thing that
I have seen about Jane Fonda, she loves her girls.
She loves her friends. And she vouches for her friends.
I think that she was already kind of marred by
a lot of politicians and, I guess, Hollywood, especially right-leaning Hollywood.
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At that point, because she had been protesting the Vietnam War,
people were pissed saying that she is anti-American because she
did not like the war. She felt like it was political. Dot, dot, dot.
Even the way she speaks about the rights of people today,
she's never changed her stance. I honestly think the whole
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weed scene was a big f * * * you
to the government.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
I loved it.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
I've not seen anything. I've not read anything. Maybe I've
missed it. So if y'all know an article where she
talks about that, I'm almost like 80, 90, 100% sure
that she did this as a f * * *
you to the government. Because it was their war on
drugs instead of seeing that their war in general was
what they should be concentrating on. So it was interesting
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to me because... She was that person. But like I said,
her love for working with Lily Tomlin and making sure
that this was in the forefront. Her love for her
friend from Boston, loving what she was doing and wanting
it to be bigger and wanting to have a bigger conversation.
I don't know if it truly worked. We're talking about
it today. And if you weren't a huge fan and
did this research, I wouldn't have known that it was
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an organization until after the fact. You know what I mean?
I would have just thought, this is a great movie.
Moving on. So it's an interesting take. I'm trying to
remember my family's liking of this movie or not because
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my mom is very conservative, stay-at-home mom. I don't know
if she actually watched it, but she loves Dolly Parton.
My family loves some Dolly Parton. Christmas music is Dolly
Parton and Kenny Rogers. Our only vacation growing up was
to Dollywood. So I can't imagine that they didn't know
about this, but I'm sure we watched it. I just
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don't have a big significant remembering what their response was
to this.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
I mean, it's going back. I imagine I have no
idea how your family responded to it. But going back
to that double-edged sword of making something more palatable so
more people will watch it is I think probably a
lot of conservative people watched it and were sort of like,
You know, ha ha ha, that's the way it is.
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Instead of ha ha ha, we should change this. Like,
this is bad. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (33:30):
I'm assuming it's ha ha ha, that's so extreme that
it's not realistic. It doesn't happen. So, of course, they
made him a super villain in order to be palatable.
Instead of having real life commonalities. And he gets punished
in the end. And that's how they think it works. Like,
oh yeah, but if you truly deserve to be punished,
you will be. Right. Which is not what's happening. What happens.
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But yes, back to the women supporting women thing. They
definitely do. One right after. Like, still a body. All right,
we're going to help you out. Let's put the body back.
No one knows. No one needs to know. We got
a plan.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
I was not expecting that at all.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
That's one of the best. You poisoned him? Okay, let's
get you a lawyer. We're going to get you a lawyer.
Calm down. It's all right. I also love the whole shooting. Like,
Judy has got the gun. Mm-hmm. Which, of course, Dolly
Parton has a gun in her pocket, which I'm like,
this is really legal.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Yeah, even in the 80s. I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
I would think so.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
But maybe not. Who knows? But, like, her shooting at him, hog-tying,
and everybody's like, okay, okay, hog-tying. This makes sense. We
know who to go to when we're in trouble. I
love that. They had a plan and had each other's backs.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Yeah. They did. And like I said, I appreciated that
they got angry at each other sometimes.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Right, right.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
But they were still like, no, okay, okay, we can
fix that. We can do this.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
I will say the entire time, Dora Lee seemed to
be the most common sense, take charge of the people.
And I love that when they discover they're going to
change out the fender or they're trying to pull the
fender back and they're going to get the tool. They
don't care that there's a body back there. They are
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shocked that this is not the body they thought it was.
But not too shocked, because they're like, Judy, can you
come here for a second? That play out was so
funny to me. That relaxed door release. Like, huh. This
isn't right. We need to change our plan. Still my favorite.
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I also love....
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Everyone's really judgmental of Dora Lee because they think she's
having a affair with the boss. And so they don't
sit with her and all this stuff. But I kind
of love how Violet was like, whatever. Like even from
the beginning, she was like, live and let live. I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
She actually says, good for you. Do what you need to.
Like she actually is like, if you have to do that,
go for it.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
But I like how quickly, yeah, they really bonded and
came together. And it was really fun to see them.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
All it takes is some weed, Annie. A little drink,
some little weed, apparently. And a plan, and a few plans.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Responsible substance use, everyone.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
But yeah, like we said, going on, another theme. It's
not a theme, but I think it's a fun side note. Again,
apparently Reagan's wife watched the movie. And it was during
Valentine's Day, I guess. I don't know the release date.
It might have been around that time. And apparently Reagan,
Ronald Reagan, liked it, except for the weed part. Like,
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he made a statement about it, saying something about how
it made it more appealing for the young folks. It
romanticized it, and they shouldn't have done that. It would
have been fine if it had just been alcohol, is
what he says. And I'm like, really? Wow.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Had to make a statement.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Like, I think he just made, but like, the fact
that he liked the movie. And like, I'm like, and
his wife really liked the movie. And like, your wife
is a is a Roz of the world, just so
we know. She's the Roz if we needed to talk
about it. And then, unfortunately, we're kind of going to
come back to what's happening today. Again, there are talks
(37:26):
about having it be remade. I believe Jennifer Aniston's company
is looking into it about possibly making a remake. It
kept saying this year, but I don't know if that's
true or if it's just like they're still always talking
about it. I think it needs to be an action
movie at this point. This needs to be like a
Noah Hall's Bard, like, revenge film at this moment, is
(37:49):
what I'm going to say. So there's an article written,
I think it was in 2021, so not too recent, but,
you know, recent enough, about the movie titled Why 9
to 5 Still Resonates Today. And it's by Karen Nussbaum. So,
and they say, it took social movements in the 1960s
(38:10):
and 70s to restore progress to women who had lost
so much ground and leaped forward. So the success of
9 to 5 in 1980 captured that momentum and promised
a future of positive change. A promise that, as still
working 9 to 5 will remind you, still hasn't been fulfilled.
And then on top of that, unfortunately, that.
(38:34):
Movement that happened in the 60s, 70s that resulted into
the Equal Employment Opportunity Act has been revoked with the
Civil Rights Act as of this week in 2025. Today's
January 23, 2025. I hope when people listen back to
this that we can come back about this being a
dark moment and that it has changed. This is my
(38:57):
hope because those types of revoking, like I cannot believe
This is the act he thought would really save everything.
The tales from everybody talking about this is discriminatory, that
this act was discriminatory. So somehow the people who have
(39:21):
the most money, the group of people that has the
most likelihood of surviving and being successful and having homes
and being able to have this all that we've talked
about are suddenly being discriminated against somehow who are statistically
more have more profit and if you are wondering if
(39:41):
just because you're white does not mean this help you
especially for the women And I know our listeners, they
already know. They already know. And you're not the people
that I'm talking to at all. Any immigrant, any person
of color who really thought this wouldn't happen is happening.
(40:02):
It's interesting because these movies were trying to be a
cautionary tale and then kind of like a hopeful future.
And then 45 years later, we're worse than they were.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Yep. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
After I was finished kind of revamping and rethinking some
of these themes, and I didn't, we didn't change anything
except for like, we're going to have to at least
talk about where we are today. I really needed a nap.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
That's fair. That's fair.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
I was like, I just need to close my eyes.
When I talk about narcolepsy, I'm like, this is why
I think I have narcolepsy. Because when I'm stressed like this,
my body physically shuts down.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
You know, we won't go into this now, but I
was thinking about it recently. And I was like, it's
so interesting to me. I would be so much more
productive if I didn't have all of this bullshit to
deal with. And your capitalism would be doing a lot better.
But instead, I'm like, oh, God. Let me just sit
(41:18):
down for a minute.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Yeah. There's a lot, especially as we wait to see
if people... Because we already know ACLU has already gone
after the administration for the immigration ban, taking this whole
birthright citizenship, which apparently... they can't do at this point
(41:40):
it's not legal it's just yeah fluff yeah doesn't mean
they're not going to try no uh doesn't mean ice
has not already been out there um and we do
want to come back and do an episode about what
to know about your rights um for any immigrants technically
i am too i mean i am a citizen however
it is naturalized so we know the how that can
(42:01):
go so um the fear is very real But we
will come back and we do want to talk about
your rights and how to go forward in that in
this conversation. Please know we love you. We're thinking about you. But.
On this Feminist Movie Friday, what I thought would be
(42:23):
a conversation about a good old classic with things that
we still need to learn. I didn't realize we would
come back with this is no longer relevant because it
is relevant, but less like. Again, the fact that we're
talking about it in a way that we have less
(42:43):
rights than the people in this movie is phenomenal. So,
this is a fantasy. This movie is a fantasy. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
It was a fun one, though.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Yeah, so if you would like to see A fantasy
feel-good movie for the moment with a lot of 80s sitcomic.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
Oh, the technology.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
We didn't even talk about that. Yeah, we didn't even
talk about that. The tap, tap, tap.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Oh, my gosh. The tap, tap, tap.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
And then the giant printer. The phone headset. The printer. Yeah.
We didn't even talk about the woman who was an
alcoholic at the office. I feel you.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
I loved her. I love that she's like, attagirl.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Attagirl. Every single one of them.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Attagirl. I quit.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
I'm done for the day. I'm going to get a drink. Attagirl.
she said medicinal purposes.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
I do love how they were all like I'm going
to get a drink in the middle of the day
and everyone was like okay.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Enjoy it kind of looks like you know like pre
people having breakdowns at offices yeah like understanding do not
push her yes let her go you.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Don't need this you.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Don't want this let them go But with all of that,
we love you. Take the time to enjoy some of
these fantasies. It's okay. You can't be in a constant
state of panic. It's not good for you.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
No. No, it's not. We hope that these episodes, some
of them, of course, we will be tackling current issues,
but the ones where we get to have a bit
more fun, we hope that they're bright spots for you.
And that you can find a moment in them to
maybe take a breath.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Enjoy.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
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(45:02):
always to our super producer, Christina, our executive producer, Maya,
and our contributor, Joey.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Thank you. And thanks to you for listening.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
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