June 6, 2025 • 14 mins
Don't call her Val. In this classic episode, we uncover the mysterious past and murky future of the Marvel character Valentina Allegra de Fontaine.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, this is Sanny and Samantha and welcome stuff I
never told you protectuld iHeart Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
I feel like we've been bringing.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Back a lot of classics around fictional women around the World,
but we're doing it again. Do it because I recently
saw Thunderbolts slash the New Avengers in theaters and I
was like, you know what, we should bring back the
one we did on Contessa Valentina alegrad Dae Fontaine. Okay, yes,
(00:42):
and we did do one recently on Yelena Bolova and
I sat in there that I was like, I know,
we're going to have to update this one, and yes
we are.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Oh but that's going to be in the future.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
We've got time for that for now, please enjoy this
classic episode.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Welcome to stuff I've never told your production of iHeartRadio.
So welcome to another episode of our segment, subsegment, sub
subsegment Fictional.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Women around the World.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
And I'm going to start off right at the top
of spoilers. This is a spoiler alert for recent Marvel stuff.
Even telling you what it is would be a spoiler,
I think, But any recent Marvel thing not going in depths,
but the topic is self. Yeah, is kind of a
spoiler in fact, for Samantha who you have not seen
Black Widow yet, have you?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (01:47):
No, I have not.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
It's very brief, it's very minor's not really giving too
much away.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
So here's a pause.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
You can come back later if you absolutely don't want
any spoilers of any kind.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Okay, I'm leaving. Goodbye, Smantha.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
You're actually obligated to be spoiled by men.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
For those who are still here today, we're talking about
Kintessa Valentina el Regra Daefontaine, who goes by Val often,
but she says don't call her val recently portrayed in
The Falcon in the Winter Soldier and Black Widow by
Julia Louis Dreyfus. Interesting to think that Black Widow was
supposed to come out first, so that should have been
our first introduction to her, but obviously things did play
(02:30):
out that way, so most people saw her in The
Falcon in the Winter Soldier first. Also, this character was
previously played by Lisa Rinna in the nineteen ninety eight
live action movie Nick Fury Asian of Shield, which I
have never heard of and I am shocked that this
exists and I didn't know it.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Yeah, I don't know if I've ever heard of this either, Yes.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Nineteen ninety eight. I gotta find this. I got to
seek this one out. So from what we've seen in
the Marvel Cinematic Universe or the MCU, I'm trying to
get better about assuming like not everyone knows everything about
the nerd stuff i'd talk about. She seems almost like
a chaotic, possibly evil version of Nick Fury, assembling a
sort of Dark Avengers or Gray Avengers maybe for a
(03:11):
mysterious organization that she works for. She certainly seems manipulative
and very clever. Playing on John Walker, who is kind
of the like no good Captain America from a Falcon
and Winter Soldier if you aren't sure who he is.
She said things to him like things are about to
get weird, so when they do, we're not going to
need a Captain America, We're gonna need a US Agent.
(03:35):
And yes, US Agent is a thing in the comics,
it's like an actual title. And Elena Belova's aka Black
Widowster Get Little Sister Valentina plays on her pain and
anger and isolation potentially a lying to both of them
to get them to do what she wants. She has
access to classified information. She knows, for instance, that Walker
(03:55):
took the serum to become a super Soldier and congratulates
him for doing it. She also knows that Clint Barton
was with Black Widow when she died. From what we know,
she seems ruthless and cynical. She tells John Walker she
would have killed the Flag Smashers too, and that he
would have been doing the US a favor to have
killed all of them. And yeah, the Dark Avengers are
a thing in the comics. They're pretty much what they
(04:18):
sound like, sort of the anti Avengers, Bizarrow Avengers. Like
every Avenger there's an evil version of that Avenger, Like
there's an evil version of the whole.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Is this like a multi universe thing?
Speaker 1 (04:29):
No, No, they're I mean, like we've already been introduced
to some of them.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
They exist in the same universe. They're just like an
evil team.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
And they're like, literally, oh, that's the evil version of
the Hulk.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Oh that's the evil version of Spider Man. Like Venom
is a scorpion.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Oh anyway, yes, the opposite of your favorite Avengers. So
you've already got a dark Captain America and a dark
black widow. I guess some of Marvel's most infamous villain
ended up in this group. However, because of course things
are very complicated in these some people think that this
team is going to be more like the Thunderbolts instead,
(05:11):
which was a team of villains or one time villains
assuming new identities to fill a power vacuum left by
the Avengers.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
And this team was originally led by Baron Zimo, who
is the villain.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
In the Capts in America Civil War and in a
Falcon in the Winter Soldier kind of in the mysterious
non villain but kind of villain space. Most people know
him because he did that awkward dance that got looped forever.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
It was good. Yeah, oh yeah, it was very good.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
But so the Thunderbolts are often called maybe it's not
the Thunderbolt. One of them is often called, like this,
the Suicide Squad, like Marvel Universe's Suicide Squad.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Yeah, gotcha, Okay, but there's apparently more stuff we know
from the comic books, and what a story it is.
As always, when we discuss such a huge and sprawling
universe and all over the place universe. These can get
messy to pen down, yes it does. That being said
in nineteen sixty seven is Strange Tales number one fifty nine,
(06:11):
created by writer and artist Jim Starranco in the comics
of Valentina claimed to be an Italian noble woman who
was trained in the world of espionage from a young age.
Familiar she rose up the ranks of Shield and all
the way up to deputy director under Nick Fury, who,
by the way, she had a relationship with. Okay, that
(06:33):
was new to know that. And it gets weirder. She
went on to secretly infiltrate Hydra, you know, the evil
organization that for those out of the loop, this part
I knew, becoming Madame Hydra, which is not how it
goes in the TV version.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
It turns out, right though, Madam Hydra is like a title,
so multiple people have been Madame Hydra. But also I'm
pretty sure I just read while I was researching this
that yes, the show might not be canon anymore, so
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
They always things out of cannon.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Okay, what a weird turns out she's actually a Russian
triple agent who originally worked for Leviathan, a top secret
Soviet science and spy organization, before being recruited into Shield
as a sleeper agent and then Hydra Lord. One of
her main goals was helping Leviathan's leader recover the ability
(07:29):
to create superhumans. She convinced Hydra to steal a powerful
object called the Box and then stole it for Leviathan
before turning herself over and being imprisoned and then Italian
Noblewoman Thing, an identity given to her and her family
by Leviathan. Leviathan recruited her as a child after her parents,
(07:51):
also Leviathan agents, were killed by Russian agents.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
What.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Yeah, it's a mess, but she's clearly I'm smart, a
great liar and great at reading people, knows a lot
of languages, you know, the perfect combat and espionage agent.
And of course she fooled a nick a Fury. She
defeated him in hand to hand combat too, which you
know he's getting old.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
End happened.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
And I'm pretty sure this Leviathan revealed that she was
still working for Leviathan.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Happened in twenty twelve, kind of recently. I could be wrong,
but this was like an ongoing Wait, she's in Hydra.
Oh wait, she's a Leviathan the whole time. Yes, very messy,
(08:45):
Oh my goodness, relationship drama aside, So, when Valentina gets
jealous of Fury for flirting with an X, she flirts
with Steve Rogers aka Captain America, which gets her in
trouble with her superior at the time, Sharon Carter and
you can see our previous Fictional Women episode for more
about her, and Fury confronts Captain.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
America about it.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Valentina apparently developed real, actual feelings for both Captain America
and Fury, to the point that Nick Fury essentially pushed
Captain America out of Shield because he didn't like what
was going on between him and Valentina.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
This led to a fight between Fury and Captain America.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Valentina intervened and forced them to talk out and gone
to an understanding. Valentina got back with Fury, participating in
missions to protect him from assassination attempts. After she learned
that Fury had been for many years receiving supplements of
something called the Infinity Formula to prolong his life. She
finds the supplier blackmailing him by withholding the serum to
(09:45):
get the samples herself, and she does this without telling him.
After Fury disbanded Shield for being compromised, she hooked up
with shields Cia liaison. Then Fury restarted Shield, bringing Valentina
back into the agency. After Fury's partner at the time
was murdered and Valentina's left, the pair got back together.
The reason she gave her turning herself over with that
(10:08):
whole Leviathan thing was so that Fury would know where
to find her. And after helping the manipulating Hydra and
Leviathan into destroying each other, Fury freese Valentina from prison,
And I was like leaving a bunch of stuff out.
And yes, obviously there is a lot of problematic stuff
in all of that about her being Nick Fury's girlfriend,
(10:31):
cat fights over men, were sharing carter men fighting over women.
Often her costumes are hyper sexualized as well. Not all
the time, but sometimes I'm like, whoa where did.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
This come from?
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Did she make tostop?
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Though I didn't see it too doot, but I saw
what looked like.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Kind of like a backless like spa leather bright shining
leather backliss like tight jumpsuit sort of thing, short.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Shorty exactly. That's interating. I can't answer these questions, all right.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Well, under Shield, Valentina joined a group called the Finn Force,
a group of top female Shield agents led by Sharon Carter.
Valentina served as the second in command to keep suspicions
off her. She did help out Shield a lot with
villains like Doctor Doom and Quartermain. She worked with heroes
like Daredevil and while under my Control, tried to cool
(11:28):
Spider Man in Black Widow Whoops. Some speculate that in
the MCU, this character is filling the role of another
Marvel character, Valerie Cooper, a government official who worked with
superhumans and was responsible for recruiting John Walker. Others have
pointed out that in the comics her character was kidnapped
and impersonated as part of the Scroll invasion, something that
(11:50):
could be at play here, especially given the post credit
scenes in the most recent Spider Man movie.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yeah, so the Scroll if you saw, like Captain Marvel
are the sort of reptilian alien race that can impersonate
other people, and.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I guess more spoilers, it.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Was kind of revealed that maybe not everyone is who
you think they are.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
At the end of the most recent Spider Man movie that.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Some people are scrolls, so some people think that maybe
it's this going on. I personally have my doubts, but
it could be. It very well could be. So this
character kind of gives me this feeling, as does a
lot of phase for that it's a new world and
what it was when a lot of these heroes got
their start, and that we need to adapt, which in
some cases could be good and others could be bad.
(12:39):
The way she speaks sounds very that ends justify the
means to me. The business card she gives to John
Walker as a white side and a black side, perhaps
meaning she sees good and good and bad is like
ultimately the same, and or she is willing to cross
lines to be on whatever side is winning or search
her best at any given moment, or maybe she just
(13:00):
thought it looked cool.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
It's possible that I'm reading too much into these things.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
The writers have said that this character is going to
have a bigger part to play, so we'll see. And
speaking of Marvel Villains, definitely planning on coming back and
talking about Ravona Renslayer from Loki soon. I know probably
a lot of people have questions after that season finale
because it just got renewed.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
So yeah, definitely, I'm ready.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Lots of things, all this.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
So many things, Oh well, I ever get to them all.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
That's a great question, Oh gosh is it is an
excellent question?
Speaker 1 (13:34):
And listeners, If there's somebody you want me to move
to the top of the list. If you've got questions
about some fictional women, please let us know. You can
email us at Stuffidia mom Stuff at iHeartMedia dot com.
You can find us on Twitter at mom Stuff podcast
or on Instagram at stuff I've Never Told You.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Thanks as always to our super.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
I feel like we've been bringing.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Back a lot of classics around fictional women around the World,
but we're doing it again. Do it because I recently
saw Thunderbolts slash the New Avengers in theaters and I
was like, you know what, we should bring back the
one we did on Contessa Valentina alegrad Dae Fontaine. Okay, yes,
(00:42):
and we did do one recently on Yelena Bolova and
I sat in there that I was like, I know,
we're going to have to update this one, and yes
we are.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Oh but that's going to be in the future.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
We've got time for that for now, please enjoy this
classic episode.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Welcome to stuff I've never told your production of iHeartRadio.
So welcome to another episode of our segment, subsegment, sub
subsegment Fictional.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Women around the World.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
And I'm going to start off right at the top
of spoilers. This is a spoiler alert for recent Marvel stuff.
Even telling you what it is would be a spoiler,
I think, But any recent Marvel thing not going in depths,
but the topic is self. Yeah, is kind of a
spoiler in fact, for Samantha who you have not seen
Black Widow yet, have you?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (01:47):
No, I have not.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
It's very brief, it's very minor's not really giving too
much away.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
So here's a pause.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
You can come back later if you absolutely don't want
any spoilers of any kind.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Okay, I'm leaving. Goodbye, Smantha.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
You're actually obligated to be spoiled by men.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
For those who are still here today, we're talking about
Kintessa Valentina el Regra Daefontaine, who goes by Val often,
but she says don't call her val recently portrayed in
The Falcon in the Winter Soldier and Black Widow by
Julia Louis Dreyfus. Interesting to think that Black Widow was
supposed to come out first, so that should have been
our first introduction to her, but obviously things did play
(02:30):
out that way, so most people saw her in The
Falcon in the Winter Soldier first. Also, this character was
previously played by Lisa Rinna in the nineteen ninety eight
live action movie Nick Fury Asian of Shield, which I
have never heard of and I am shocked that this
exists and I didn't know it.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Yeah, I don't know if I've ever heard of this either, Yes.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Nineteen ninety eight. I gotta find this. I got to
seek this one out. So from what we've seen in
the Marvel Cinematic Universe or the MCU, I'm trying to
get better about assuming like not everyone knows everything about
the nerd stuff i'd talk about. She seems almost like
a chaotic, possibly evil version of Nick Fury, assembling a
sort of Dark Avengers or Gray Avengers maybe for a
(03:11):
mysterious organization that she works for. She certainly seems manipulative
and very clever. Playing on John Walker, who is kind
of the like no good Captain America from a Falcon
and Winter Soldier if you aren't sure who he is.
She said things to him like things are about to
get weird, so when they do, we're not going to
need a Captain America, We're gonna need a US Agent.
(03:35):
And yes, US Agent is a thing in the comics,
it's like an actual title. And Elena Belova's aka Black
Widowster Get Little Sister Valentina plays on her pain and
anger and isolation potentially a lying to both of them
to get them to do what she wants. She has
access to classified information. She knows, for instance, that Walker
(03:55):
took the serum to become a super Soldier and congratulates
him for doing it. She also knows that Clint Barton
was with Black Widow when she died. From what we know,
she seems ruthless and cynical. She tells John Walker she
would have killed the Flag Smashers too, and that he
would have been doing the US a favor to have
killed all of them. And yeah, the Dark Avengers are
a thing in the comics. They're pretty much what they
(04:18):
sound like, sort of the anti Avengers, Bizarrow Avengers. Like
every Avenger there's an evil version of that Avenger, Like
there's an evil version of the whole.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Is this like a multi universe thing?
Speaker 1 (04:29):
No, No, they're I mean, like we've already been introduced
to some of them.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
They exist in the same universe. They're just like an
evil team.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
And they're like, literally, oh, that's the evil version of
the Hulk.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Oh that's the evil version of Spider Man. Like Venom
is a scorpion.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Oh anyway, yes, the opposite of your favorite Avengers. So
you've already got a dark Captain America and a dark
black widow. I guess some of Marvel's most infamous villain
ended up in this group. However, because of course things
are very complicated in these some people think that this
team is going to be more like the Thunderbolts instead,
(05:11):
which was a team of villains or one time villains
assuming new identities to fill a power vacuum left by
the Avengers.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
And this team was originally led by Baron Zimo, who
is the villain.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
In the Capts in America Civil War and in a
Falcon in the Winter Soldier kind of in the mysterious
non villain but kind of villain space. Most people know
him because he did that awkward dance that got looped forever.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
It was good. Yeah, oh yeah, it was very good.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
But so the Thunderbolts are often called maybe it's not
the Thunderbolt. One of them is often called, like this,
the Suicide Squad, like Marvel Universe's Suicide Squad.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Yeah, gotcha, Okay, but there's apparently more stuff we know
from the comic books, and what a story it is.
As always, when we discuss such a huge and sprawling
universe and all over the place universe. These can get
messy to pen down, yes it does. That being said
in nineteen sixty seven is Strange Tales number one fifty nine,
(06:11):
created by writer and artist Jim Starranco in the comics
of Valentina claimed to be an Italian noble woman who
was trained in the world of espionage from a young age.
Familiar she rose up the ranks of Shield and all
the way up to deputy director under Nick Fury, who,
by the way, she had a relationship with. Okay, that
(06:33):
was new to know that. And it gets weirder. She
went on to secretly infiltrate Hydra, you know, the evil
organization that for those out of the loop, this part
I knew, becoming Madame Hydra, which is not how it
goes in the TV version.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
It turns out, right though, Madam Hydra is like a title,
so multiple people have been Madame Hydra. But also I'm
pretty sure I just read while I was researching this
that yes, the show might not be canon anymore, so
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
They always things out of cannon.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Okay, what a weird turns out she's actually a Russian
triple agent who originally worked for Leviathan, a top secret
Soviet science and spy organization, before being recruited into Shield
as a sleeper agent and then Hydra Lord. One of
her main goals was helping Leviathan's leader recover the ability
(07:29):
to create superhumans. She convinced Hydra to steal a powerful
object called the Box and then stole it for Leviathan
before turning herself over and being imprisoned and then Italian
Noblewoman Thing, an identity given to her and her family
by Leviathan. Leviathan recruited her as a child after her parents,
(07:51):
also Leviathan agents, were killed by Russian agents.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
What.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Yeah, it's a mess, but she's clearly I'm smart, a
great liar and great at reading people, knows a lot
of languages, you know, the perfect combat and espionage agent.
And of course she fooled a nick a Fury. She
defeated him in hand to hand combat too, which you
know he's getting old.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
End happened.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
And I'm pretty sure this Leviathan revealed that she was
still working for Leviathan.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Happened in twenty twelve, kind of recently. I could be wrong,
but this was like an ongoing Wait, she's in Hydra.
Oh wait, she's a Leviathan the whole time. Yes, very messy,
(08:45):
Oh my goodness, relationship drama aside, So, when Valentina gets
jealous of Fury for flirting with an X, she flirts
with Steve Rogers aka Captain America, which gets her in
trouble with her superior at the time, Sharon Carter and
you can see our previous Fictional Women episode for more
about her, and Fury confronts Captain.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
America about it.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Valentina apparently developed real, actual feelings for both Captain America
and Fury, to the point that Nick Fury essentially pushed
Captain America out of Shield because he didn't like what
was going on between him and Valentina.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
This led to a fight between Fury and Captain America.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Valentina intervened and forced them to talk out and gone
to an understanding. Valentina got back with Fury, participating in
missions to protect him from assassination attempts. After she learned
that Fury had been for many years receiving supplements of
something called the Infinity Formula to prolong his life. She
finds the supplier blackmailing him by withholding the serum to
(09:45):
get the samples herself, and she does this without telling him.
After Fury disbanded Shield for being compromised, she hooked up
with shields Cia liaison. Then Fury restarted Shield, bringing Valentina
back into the agency. After Fury's partner at the time
was murdered and Valentina's left, the pair got back together.
The reason she gave her turning herself over with that
(10:08):
whole Leviathan thing was so that Fury would know where
to find her. And after helping the manipulating Hydra and
Leviathan into destroying each other, Fury freese Valentina from prison,
And I was like leaving a bunch of stuff out.
And yes, obviously there is a lot of problematic stuff
in all of that about her being Nick Fury's girlfriend,
(10:31):
cat fights over men, were sharing carter men fighting over women.
Often her costumes are hyper sexualized as well. Not all
the time, but sometimes I'm like, whoa where did.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
This come from?
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Did she make tostop?
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Though I didn't see it too doot, but I saw
what looked like.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Kind of like a backless like spa leather bright shining
leather backliss like tight jumpsuit sort of thing, short.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Shorty exactly. That's interating. I can't answer these questions, all right.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Well, under Shield, Valentina joined a group called the Finn Force,
a group of top female Shield agents led by Sharon Carter.
Valentina served as the second in command to keep suspicions
off her. She did help out Shield a lot with
villains like Doctor Doom and Quartermain. She worked with heroes
like Daredevil and while under my Control, tried to cool
(11:28):
Spider Man in Black Widow Whoops. Some speculate that in
the MCU, this character is filling the role of another
Marvel character, Valerie Cooper, a government official who worked with
superhumans and was responsible for recruiting John Walker. Others have
pointed out that in the comics her character was kidnapped
and impersonated as part of the Scroll invasion, something that
(11:50):
could be at play here, especially given the post credit
scenes in the most recent Spider Man movie.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yeah, so the Scroll if you saw, like Captain Marvel
are the sort of reptilian alien race that can impersonate
other people, and.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I guess more spoilers, it.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Was kind of revealed that maybe not everyone is who
you think they are.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
At the end of the most recent Spider Man movie that.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Some people are scrolls, so some people think that maybe
it's this going on. I personally have my doubts, but
it could be. It very well could be. So this
character kind of gives me this feeling, as does a
lot of phase for that it's a new world and
what it was when a lot of these heroes got
their start, and that we need to adapt, which in
some cases could be good and others could be bad.
(12:39):
The way she speaks sounds very that ends justify the
means to me. The business card she gives to John
Walker as a white side and a black side, perhaps
meaning she sees good and good and bad is like
ultimately the same, and or she is willing to cross
lines to be on whatever side is winning or search
her best at any given moment, or maybe she just
(13:00):
thought it looked cool.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
It's possible that I'm reading too much into these things.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
The writers have said that this character is going to
have a bigger part to play, so we'll see. And
speaking of Marvel Villains, definitely planning on coming back and
talking about Ravona Renslayer from Loki soon. I know probably
a lot of people have questions after that season finale
because it just got renewed.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
So yeah, definitely, I'm ready.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Lots of things, all this.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
So many things, Oh well, I ever get to them all.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
That's a great question, Oh gosh is it is an
excellent question?
Speaker 1 (13:34):
And listeners, If there's somebody you want me to move
to the top of the list. If you've got questions
about some fictional women, please let us know. You can
email us at Stuffidia mom Stuff at iHeartMedia dot com.
You can find us on Twitter at mom Stuff podcast
or on Instagram at stuff I've Never Told You.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Thanks as always to our super.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Producer Christina Oh thanks, and thanks to you for listening.
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