June 1, 2026 • 31 mins
Toxic fandom, Scream, Star Wars, fanfiction, legacy, and requels, oh my. No feelings were hurt in the recording of this salty, self-indulgent and slightly hypocritical episode.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, this is Annie and Samantha.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I'm notcome to stuff. Never told you production by Heart
Radio and welcome to another classic. This is one I
had on my mind because of you, Samantha. You asked
me after viewing a recent movie, if this is what
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fan fiction is like, and I said, you know, sometimes,
but it reminded me of a past episode we did
called my fan fiction is better than Yours, and it
was about how I feel like there's a lot of
fan fiction that is better than what I feel like
is essentially franchised, sanctioned fan fiction. But I will say
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about this episode, I didn't know how much worse things
were going to get for me in certain terms, in
terms of cannon in some cases, and then also in
terms of other properties, not just Star Wars. So it's
just funny to me because I do feel like without
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the constraints of studios sometimes that picture it really is better.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
It really is, yes.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
But your mileage may vary, you might have different thoughts,
but please enjoy this classic episode.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephane.
Never told your production of iHeartRadio and welcome to another
Happy Hour.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
We are actually recording this one at happy hour time
on Friday. We are yeah, so cheers to that huge Friday.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yes, oh so excited.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Also, as always, drink responsibly if you choose to do
so before we get into this one.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Here a rare happy hour disclaimer.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
I am being self indulgent and I am being a
bit salty, and we are focusing largely on the fanboy
aspects of toxic fandom. But I want to acknowledge her.
I absolutely know there are toxic fangirls and they have
bullied creators, and they have bullied people offline. I had
a friend who was She left her job because of
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some really intense railo fans Kyler, Rinn and Ray from
Star Wars. So we should definitely come back and talk
about that again. I know we've talked about it in
a few past episodes, but for this one in particular,
kind of focusing on the fanboy aspect of toxic fandom.
And I also want to say, well, this might sound
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like a hip bee's certain male Star Wars creaders.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
It's not. It's absolutely not. I promise you it's not.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
And also I want to say I thought about this,
like perhaps way too much, but I was thinking about
kind of Star Wars books when I was younger and
you know, sort of early fan fiction if you will,
and those weren't you know, people did make fun of
them in culture at large and mediat large. They were
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popular among Star Wars fans, but it was sort of
still kind of mocked at the time. And now that
things like the Mandalorian have made Star Wars or you know,
things like that of made nerdiness more mainstream, I don't
think there is mocked anymore.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
But that was a thing that happened.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
However, I would still say it was mostly men getting
their work published, and I would still say that these
Star Wars books were held in higher regard than women
writing fan fiction. I think that this is changing. But anyway,
there are going to be some spoilers. They're gonna be
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very light, like I hesitate to even call them spoilers,
but it's one of those things where I think if
you thought about it, you could figure out what I'm
talking about, which means that Samantha is going to be
very kind and just listen to me vent a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
And that I would also like to thank my friends,
the Katies, the two kds that I have in my
life that are very close to for letting me have
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a very intense text exchange to get my feelings out.
But anyway, all right, a lot of the things I'm
discussing are matters of opinion and interpretation. I get that,
even if it sounds like I don't. As I said,
this is going to be very self indulgent. But Samantha,
what are you sipping on?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
I am keeping it light with my what is called
light sky blue move, mainly because I just want to
sip on something that it's not too heavy. And yeah,
sometimes beer makes me super sleepy, and I'm just saying,
like the obviously the higher alcohol content, but like IPA's
and any of the craft independent that I do love
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makes me sleepy.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
So I feel like I need to.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Be aware for this conversation, just for you. So I'm
slipping on just a generic beer.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
What about you?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Okay, Well, that's actually that's perfect because we are I
didn't even specify what spoilers you might have to worry about.
We're talking about Scream and Star Wars. Oh okay, book
a fat stuff in here, and you know the the
blue sky blue moon.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
There's an indoor moon.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Star Wars parody of that beer, So you're you're right
right in in.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
I was gonna say in fashion that's not correct.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
But I am sipping on what is essentially a Gin
and Tonic, but spicy because I'm feeling very spicy for
this episode. I just put some hot sauce in there,
and it's actually really good. It's kind a nice kick.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Mm hmmm, I like it.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yes, Yes, So all right, let's get into this because
I got to have to say a lot of franchises
are getting rebooted or are they have new entries that
are coming out right now, And we've talked about a
lot of them, including and just like that recently The
Sex and the City.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
It's a reboot is not necessarily correct.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
But yeah, continuing story, the continuing story, Thank you the Matrix.
We did a whole feminist movie Friday on that We've
mentioned Halloween, Scream and of course Star Wars all the
time Star Wars, and something I've found interesting is that
a lot of them seem to address fans and how
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fans perceive them or how fans have influenced these franchises
or toxic fans, and they almost have like a wink
wink thing going on about moving on from legacy characters
or holding on too tightly to how you think a
character should be, and how these characters are never going
to be happy as long as we keep bringing them back.
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And trust me, I feel so sad for my fictional.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Characters that I love.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
I'm like, I want to see this movie, but I
want you to be happy, and I know the two can't.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Coexist, and they can never coexist.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
No, not if we're going to keep making this type
of movie.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
In this case, I'm talking about Scream, and I have
a fan fiction i'm writing right now, and I kid
you not, I'm at the I know how the story goes,
I'm at the precipice of it going all wrong. I
can't write it, Samantha. I feel too guilty. I'm like,
I can't do this to you.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Yeah, the tragedy is just too much tragedy.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
It's too much like I want you to be happy.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
So I've actually skipped the traumatic part and I've started
writing that healing from the traumatic part.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
I mean, that's not a bad thing.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
I think I could work. I think that's fun, but
it's fine.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
I never used to have that problem before, but now
I'm like I cannot write, I cannot.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Do this to you, but I still have it hanging there.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Like Also, I want to say I learned some new
fandom terms. And this is from TV trips dot com
quote when a creator answers a question about their work,
should they provide an in universe answer our real life answer?
The former is the Watsonian perspective, the latter doyalist.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Oh as in like Watson and Doyle's the writer. Okay,
I get it.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
I guess yes, Okay, yes, I bring this up because
that's been some criticism of specifically Book of Boba.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Fett is Like.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
I get I being like a lot of fans get
why you have to make these decisions based on budget
or technology or yeah, just basically plot stuff, but you
didn't explain it in universe like I get your real
life limitations, which you were kind of just like okay,
and you didn't really give it an answer. So it's
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I had never heard of that before, but I was like, yes,
that's because all the time you're thinking about like, oh,
I wonder why the couldn't do this. I bet they
didn't have the money or something like that. So they
are those terms, And yes, of course, I want to
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talk about an fiction. We look down upon fan fiction
when women in non binary folks write it, but we
load it and make it into movies or TV shows
when it comes to men. And on top of that,
how toxic fanboys and studios are controlling what material gets
made and who gets to participate in making it. If
I could like make a thesis statement of the like
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anger that I'm feeling, which, by the way, if this
was a different show, I would read that textus shade.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
I was going off. I was going off. I think
it is.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
I'm frustrated with who gets to side what canon is,
and then I frustrated with the fact that toxic fandom
is also influencing who gets to decide what canon is
when we are also making fun of fan fiction, which
is what you are doing right right. Yeah, So I
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do also want to put in here. I've said it
time and time again. Fan fiction is a hobby for
a lot of people. It's a hobby and it's not
like ever intended to go beyond that. It's like if
you like playing soccer and you're not ever thinking, oh
I'm going to be a professional one d You just
like playing soccer and I had somebody tell me recently
you could make money if you, you know, had a
Patreon and people could read your fan fiction, And I said,
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I sure could. But that kind of ruins to me
what fan fiction is, which is this sort of beautiful
free space where we're all doing that, and then I
think it would become this capitalist thing. Part of what
I'm talking about here as part of the problem. So
it's as seemingly simple as a topic as this is,
there are a lot of layers and my mind is
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always percolating on it.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
So wait for fan fiction that has become successful. Is
that the same thought process like they did they sell out?
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Or is it like you know, we want that too?
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Uh? To me, it's not they sold out.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
To me, there's plenty of fan fiction And this is
the point I'm going to make throughout this that is
really good and like I would pay to read it,
and plenty of it is better than a lot of.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
What I see.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
But I guess my worry is if like the whole
world of fan fiction got monetized. Like I don't think
it's wrong that some things are picked up because they're
really resonating with people and then they make money.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
What bothers me. Is like if the idea that the whole.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
If I had to pay to read fan fiction, I
don't think I would, and I.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Love fan fiction, you know I love fan fiction.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah, so it's more just like my I don't want
to turn that world into a place where it's only
monetized and capitalized. I like that some people have found success,
and I think that some people could even I think
one person said, what if it was like you just
got the update early and that's the Patreon that you
paid for it is I maybe there's ways it could work.
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I just don't want the whole You would pay pace, Yeah,
sometimes I know you would, Yes, I would, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I got no real problem. I do have a problem with,
like some people who have made success from fan fiction
writing fan fiction and then looking down on fan fiction
and getting mad when people write fan fiction about their work.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
That bothers me. But that's kind of a set.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Yeah that's fair. That's fair though.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yeah, that's a separate issue. Critical mm hmmm. So this
was inspired.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
This whole thing was inspired by Yes, the book Abobaffett
recently ending, but also a recent daydream I had of like, ooh,
what if I got to write a Star Wars show,
like what.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Would I do?
Speaker 2 (13:12):
And then I had the almost immediate shutting down of
this dream because not because I didn't think I couldn't
do it, but because I thought two things in quick succession. One,
these men doing it are more qualified. Two, I don't
want to deal with the inevitable fanboy backlash, which is
not good because if that's one of the first things,
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I think, that's very like, that's already gatekeepy, that's already like, okay,
these men know better, which you know they might, but
it's not. It was more of a just immediate shutting
down of no way I could compete, and it was
less of oh yeah, they've been working in film and
movie and writing. It was more of their men in
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this like nerdy world. And then the second, like the
fanboy backlash that I was immedia.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
I don't want to deal with that.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
I don't want to And I know people who have
left projects because of fan backlash and fanboy backlash specifically,
So that's already like, it's already not great when it
comes to diversity in these fields, but for that to
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be causing in this case, I'm thinking of women. I
know to leave that's making it.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Worse, and I do.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
I want to put in here, like I know how
annoying it is for people to look at your job
and think, oh, I could do that when you've had
training or been in the business for years total like respect,
but still like.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Just I don't know. I guess I'm questioning.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Who has afforded these opportunities because I still think I
could write something pretty good.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
I think I think you could do I think I
could you definitely.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
It frustrates me that and I just instantly doubted that,
Like even though I was like, with this idea, I
think I could.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Do it, and then I was like, oh, no, you
can never do that. I will say.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Also, having to deal with studios, especially big studio like Disney,
it seems like a real nightmare. I'm not sure I
could do that very well. But I think I could
write the thing.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
You just have to be famous before the fact.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Yes, so we need to make you famous, real famous, and.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Then have the support of Mark Hamill and then you
would be down.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
I would melt into a puddle.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
I know you would.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
That's like if you ever can't get old of me,
like after he ever.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Tweets me or something you can't get old of me,
you know.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
By the bye our Twitter, the stuff Mo'm never told you.
Twitter has now they do updates he did not. They
do updates of like you might be interested in this
person's sweet, and we follow a lot of people, and
out of nowhere it says, here's Mark Hamil's sweet.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
I didn't even know what it was about.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Out but because someone in the Twitter verse has realized
your love and we don't even follow Mark Hamill on
our stuff, mom never told you, but it needed to
alert us about Mark Hamill's text tweet that I'm pretty
sure it's because of you, which is quite funny because
we don't mention it at all in Twitter. But for
me to get that notification or for me to see
that notification, I was like, this is Annie's fault somehow.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
I don't deny it. I don't deny it.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
So I wanted to talk about Scream twenty twenty two,
which was a movie that I loved. I saw it
at the drive in and then I was fortunate enough
to see it again and I absolutely adored it, and
it actually addressed some of the stuff we're talking about.
And one of the things they have of course, in
every screen movie they have the scene where they sit
down and they talk about the rules of the horror movies,
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because if you haven't seen these movies, they're very, very meta.
And in this one, the character I can't remember her name,
but she's like Randy from the original movie her his niece.
She's like, we got to talk about requels, and she
breaks into this definition of what a requel is and
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she's like, you know, the fans are mad, like, you
can't have a straight reboot because they don't want that.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
They want some of the legacy characters from the other one.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
But you can't continue from what the last movie did
because they hated that. So you have to create something
that's not quite a sequel. It's a requel. It's in
between a reboot and a sequel. And so the movie
in itself, yes, exactly, and no joke, they bought up
Star Wars. In that conversation the Last Jedi in particular,
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the first text.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
I got about the movie, Oh my god, they're talking about.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Star Wars and fan FICTIONID and Mary Zeus, which was
all the all these critiques that were thrown against, like
the Mary Sue being ray and then you know this
is just fan fiction, which is part of what I
think is really frustrating me because it is fan fiction.
But you're making it sound like it's good when they
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do it how you want them to do it, but
it's not good when they don't do it the way
you think is the appropriate ray, appropriate way, appropriate ray.
But they also talked about in this movie. They talked
about toxic fanboys and toxic fandom and I wish I
could spoil the ending because it's so good and I
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have so many thoughts about it.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
But essentially, it's like.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Fans, this toxic fan culture, thinking they're entitled to a thing,
getting angry when they don't get that thing, and then
getting violent when they don't get that thing, and trying
to create something through violence that they believe is better. Also,
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it is all about kind of it's very parallel to
Rage Journey.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
I'll just leave it at that.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
So good, but yes, let us talk about the Star Wars. So, okay,
I've been fired up.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
I've been fired up.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Way to go?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yeah, yeah, So I think I was getting really angry
watching there's been a lot of announcements around Star Wars lately,
and I also had the book of both fat and
I was just getting angry and angrier about this idea
that like these kind of white fanboys getting paid millions
of dollars to write fan fiction while it's so looked
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down upon and other like any other way, but you're
doing the same thing. You're doing the same thing. You're
just a dude and you're doing it and you got money.
And like maybe I'm not even saying they're not talent.
I'm just saying, like I'm kind of annoyed at this
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why we are differentiating where well they're doing it so.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
That's not fan fiction, but it is.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
It absolutely is, And I feel like it's proving to
me over and over again that they these kind of
fanboys at large, I'll say, missed the power of the
ending of Return the Jedi, which I think is feminist
in nature, and that's the whole thing, and that they
connect hardcore with like ass Slash Failure characters and think
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that violence and combat is the answer.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Which I've actually.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Thought a lot about this and I want to come
back and do it an episode on the glorification of
the Ass. But anyway, when so, when a lot of
these fanboys grew up who hated returned the Jedi by
the way, they hated it when came out. They got
to fix it, which to me is just like constantly.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
It's you know, I love being a fan, but it's
also sad sometimes I see it.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
That was a supernatural right when I was giving into
it in the ending, and there was so much debate
and even today not too loss. I somehow got on
TikTok and they're debating about who they hate and why they.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Hate them, and I was like, hewn, that seems unnecessary.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Yes, agreed, Agreed, And I try really hard.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
I try really really hard because I am a big
fan of stuff, Like I don't want to make people
feel bad about something they're a fan of as long
as it's not like hornfole or whatever, like right if
we have different opinions, because I'm very sensitive to that actually,
and so I try to be mindful of you know,
like there's a certain character that you brought back that
I hate in Book of popa Fat, but I know
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a bunch of people like him.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
So I was trying to be like, Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Cad Bane, Yeah, I was screaming at the TV.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
No.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
I feel like from the Rebels portion that I saw
that cad Bain should have been fighting Finnick, but I
was like, okay, that's true, or the bad Batch it
was on bad Batch where they fight.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah bad Batch.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Yeah yeah, and so again yeah, I try to be like,
it's not it's okay, this is my experience. But yeah.
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It also cracks me up that a lot of fan
boys who were behind the whole not my Luke Skywalker
thing were mad that he wasn't a cinnamon role anymore.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
But if I told him what a cinnamon role was,
they would deny it. They would deny.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
That that was not masculine enough for them.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Absolutely, So that kind of cracks me up.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Also, just another thread, Pedro Pascal is essentially playing the
same character and the same dilemma in terms of audience,
which again I don't want to spoil things, but in
the last of Us, so that.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Was kind of I kept thinking that, like, wow, the same.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Oh you're doing.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
He's played the Mendo character in the last it's the
same character.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Okay, Yeah, So I guess what's.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Really annoying to me is that, yes, these toxic fanboys
are controlling what gets made in terms of like like
review bombing or just harassing people on social media, like
all these things that are intimidating people like me. Not
that I'm saying I could, I'm going to succeed, but
like I wouldn't even think of it, like I was immediate,
like no, because of this, and that is a term
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of gatekeeping, and that at least somewhat along with studios interfering,
that's just influencing these franchises in particular, so heavily, not
just Star Wars. And on top of that, a lot
of the writers paid to write this glorified fan fiction
are still men who I think would be outraged if
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it was called fan fiction. I think they would be
real pissed.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
So do we know Felony's stance on fan fiction because.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
He the way he describes why he loves it so much,
it sounds like he's talking about fan fiction because he
was like, I the story, and I would imagine what.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
If Yeah, I don't know, but I imagine it would
not be good because my thing is like I still
think even if even if he was like okay, yeah,
fan fiction, there's still that hang up on that idea
that fan fiction is written by girls, young girls who
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just want to have sex with like characters. They like,
and that creeps them out and they dismiss it, which
is not true.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
It's not the case like that can't exist, and I
don't think there's anything wrong with.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
That existing, right Wait, but not the point of like
when boys would have pictures of scantily clad celebrities, that's
that same kind of level, except it's five.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah, but that's that's okay because male sexuality is fine,
but when it comes to young girls, that's not fine,
Like that's creepy.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Yeah, I mean this is I have a lot of experience,
as we've discussed in the world of fans fiction, so
this is a lot of my opinion and I will
acknowledge that, but I've also I've got experience, right, right,
I mean maybe that's ultimately what I'm trying to say is,
can we just like stop pretending that it's only young
girls who have some kind of sexual thing that freaks
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you out writing fan fiction that you're looking down on
when that's what you are doing.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
And I'm not saying it.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Right and I'm not even like, again, I have no idea.
Maybe they're totally into fan fiction, but it just I
just feel like a lot of people would be furious,
like not just mad, but like outraged. If you said, oh,
the concept of labeling mm hmmm, yeah, Like, oh, that's
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that's not academic and that's not good, so therefore no,
And then I think like, yeah, I guess it's just
frustrating because they make a lot of money off right,
and they get to decide what canon is.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Oh right, and right now.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
I'm still confused by that, like that's still a way
that doesn't exist.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
How is it canon?
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Now?
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Cool?
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Cool? Cool?
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Oh look, I have to ask you that all the time.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
I'm like what, Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh. So
I have my own head canon pretty pretty well. So
I'm like, I ignore that this happened because it's no
way I'll accept this. Yeah, it's a whole thing.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Bringing up so many issues right now.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
I was outraged over the past two days.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
I was like my friend she texted me, she said,
it sounds like you're grieving, and I was like, maybe,
but perhaps you are. I also am very like I
try very hard, like this will pass. I'm I'm right now,
I'm feeling it real hard, but this will pass, And
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I'm I try really hard not to be like it's
not worth in my opinion, it's worth getting upset over,
but it's not worth getting that upset over, like I
have ultimately no control, even though I was also thinking
about that, like what if a bunch of I don't know,
feminist Luke Skywalker fans got.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
On and were like, hey, creators, if you don't do
this like the fanboys, could you imagine? Gosh? I was
so mad when I write this, but I wrote this outlet.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
I can tell because I wrote, they are the ones
with attachment issues explanation.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
I agree. I think that's true. Past it.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Wait, I was like, what do you mean you agree?
You said it. You can't agree with yourself everyone who
said it.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
I can't agree with past andy who was in the
throes of emotion. Oh my gosh, so much. And then
I wrote, pay me in all caps are consult me.
That's all I'm saying. I think I could be a
pretty good consultant.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
I think you've proven yourself on a movie crush, especially
you are teaching uh Chuck so much.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
I am the Jedi master.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Of Star Wars.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
It's like, I gotta I gotta let go of my emotions.
I gotta release them into the Force.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
I'm working on it, but let me ask you a
real quick because I feel like I need to and
go ahead and tell y'all this is a spoiler for
Bubba Fett. So if you want to pause it, skip
over it for a minute, you can. So Grogu has decided.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Not to be a Jedi. Correct, that's where we're at,
and this is the beginning decided with Mandalorian.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yeah, he's decided it at this point in time because
he's essentially the same choice that Yoda gave Luke, where
he's like, you can't go save your friends or you're
draining show.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
It's kind of the same thing.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
So Luke a parallel their parallel journey that.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Kind of because of because of how Grogu ages it's
not gonna work.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
I don't know again, Like that's some one of those
things where I'm like, I don't know if this is
your real life problem or you're in Cannon problem, but uh,
the way they're currently handling it, it won't work because
Luke will beat it by then.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Okay, moving on, Yeah, past that spoiler.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Pass the spoiler, but yes, thank you to all of
my friends and some of you listeners who have listened
to we just vent. I mean the text exchanges I've
had through these tough fandom times and cheers cheers to me, yes, yes,
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and go write all the fan fiction. Go read all
the fan fiction. There's some amazing stuff. I mean, this
was like this book of Boba Fett. Thing was like
Chum and the fan fiction waters. All of a sudden,
a lot of people write.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
There was a lot of people with a lot of opinions.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Oh gosh, this show almost as many as the Marvel shows.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Oh yeah, yeah, and and just like that too, because
it was very it was very divided, it was very polarized.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
I would say, I feel like the Mandalorian people just
either really just lovet like it felt like that was
like a good show for people to be back into
this world, but like the rest of them had so
much Why did you do it this way?
Speaker 2 (30:19):
I was like, well, damn, yeah, I mean that's kind
of my biggest I keep hearing Miley Cyrus. You gave
it like a reckckball because the last three episodes were.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Not about Bubba Fet. That was an ad for the
Mandalorian season three.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Yeah, so that's and I don't really even like Bubba Fet,
but I was willing to give him a try, and
then they were like, never mind, it's gonna be about
this now, and he's not even in the episodes.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
I love Phoenix, so I was very excited because I
feel like they should have done more with.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Her, definitely, but okay, agreed, agreed. Well, thanks for letting
me have this space all day. I knew probably going
to go.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
I feel like we're gonna have another one soon.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
I think we might when I've like settled down a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Oh so thanks listeners for allowing me to have this journey.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
As always, we would love to hear from you.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
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Speaker 4 (31:22):
We need your opinions on this. Let's give it your opinions, Christina,
and we need you on for this.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Oh oh no, yes, And thanks to you for listening
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Hey, this is Annie and Samantha.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I'm notcome to stuff. Never told you production by Heart
Radio and welcome to another classic. This is one I
had on my mind because of you, Samantha. You asked
me after viewing a recent movie, if this is what
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fan fiction is like, and I said, you know, sometimes,
but it reminded me of a past episode we did
called my fan fiction is better than Yours, and it
was about how I feel like there's a lot of
fan fiction that is better than what I feel like
is essentially franchised, sanctioned fan fiction. But I will say
(00:54):
about this episode, I didn't know how much worse things
were going to get for me in certain terms, in
terms of cannon in some cases, and then also in
terms of other properties, not just Star Wars. So it's
just funny to me because I do feel like without
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the constraints of studios sometimes that picture it really is better.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
It really is, yes.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
But your mileage may vary, you might have different thoughts,
but please enjoy this classic episode.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephane.
Never told your production of iHeartRadio and welcome to another
Happy Hour.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
We are actually recording this one at happy hour time
on Friday. We are yeah, so cheers to that huge Friday.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yes, oh so excited.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Also, as always, drink responsibly if you choose to do
so before we get into this one.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Here a rare happy hour disclaimer.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
I am being self indulgent and I am being a
bit salty, and we are focusing largely on the fanboy
aspects of toxic fandom. But I want to acknowledge her.
I absolutely know there are toxic fangirls and they have
bullied creators, and they have bullied people offline. I had
a friend who was She left her job because of
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some really intense railo fans Kyler, Rinn and Ray from
Star Wars. So we should definitely come back and talk
about that again. I know we've talked about it in
a few past episodes, but for this one in particular,
kind of focusing on the fanboy aspect of toxic fandom.
And I also want to say, well, this might sound
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like a hip bee's certain male Star Wars creaders.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
It's not. It's absolutely not. I promise you it's not.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
And also I want to say I thought about this,
like perhaps way too much, but I was thinking about
kind of Star Wars books when I was younger and
you know, sort of early fan fiction if you will,
and those weren't you know, people did make fun of
them in culture at large and mediat large. They were
(03:27):
popular among Star Wars fans, but it was sort of
still kind of mocked at the time. And now that
things like the Mandalorian have made Star Wars or you know,
things like that of made nerdiness more mainstream, I don't
think there is mocked anymore.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
But that was a thing that happened.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
However, I would still say it was mostly men getting
their work published, and I would still say that these
Star Wars books were held in higher regard than women
writing fan fiction. I think that this is changing. But anyway,
there are going to be some spoilers. They're gonna be
(04:08):
very light, like I hesitate to even call them spoilers,
but it's one of those things where I think if
you thought about it, you could figure out what I'm
talking about, which means that Samantha is going to be
very kind and just listen to me vent a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
And that I would also like to thank my friends,
the Katies, the two kds that I have in my
life that are very close to for letting me have
(04:31):
a very intense text exchange to get my feelings out.
But anyway, all right, a lot of the things I'm
discussing are matters of opinion and interpretation. I get that,
even if it sounds like I don't. As I said,
this is going to be very self indulgent. But Samantha,
what are you sipping on?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
I am keeping it light with my what is called
light sky blue move, mainly because I just want to
sip on something that it's not too heavy. And yeah,
sometimes beer makes me super sleepy, and I'm just saying,
like the obviously the higher alcohol content, but like IPA's
and any of the craft independent that I do love
(05:13):
makes me sleepy.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
So I feel like I need to.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Be aware for this conversation, just for you. So I'm
slipping on just a generic beer.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
What about you?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Okay, Well, that's actually that's perfect because we are I
didn't even specify what spoilers you might have to worry about.
We're talking about Scream and Star Wars. Oh okay, book
a fat stuff in here, and you know the the
blue sky blue moon.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
There's an indoor moon.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Star Wars parody of that beer, So you're you're right
right in in.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
I was gonna say in fashion that's not correct.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
But I am sipping on what is essentially a Gin
and Tonic, but spicy because I'm feeling very spicy for
this episode. I just put some hot sauce in there,
and it's actually really good. It's kind a nice kick.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Mm hmmm, I like it.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yes, Yes, So all right, let's get into this because
I got to have to say a lot of franchises
are getting rebooted or are they have new entries that
are coming out right now, And we've talked about a
lot of them, including and just like that recently The
Sex and the City.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
It's a reboot is not necessarily correct.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
But yeah, continuing story, the continuing story, Thank you the Matrix.
We did a whole feminist movie Friday on that We've
mentioned Halloween, Scream and of course Star Wars all the
time Star Wars, and something I've found interesting is that
a lot of them seem to address fans and how
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fans perceive them or how fans have influenced these franchises
or toxic fans, and they almost have like a wink
wink thing going on about moving on from legacy characters
or holding on too tightly to how you think a
character should be, and how these characters are never going
to be happy as long as we keep bringing them back.
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And trust me, I feel so sad for my fictional.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Characters that I love.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
I'm like, I want to see this movie, but I
want you to be happy, and I know the two can't.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Coexist, and they can never coexist.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
No, not if we're going to keep making this type
of movie.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
In this case, I'm talking about Scream, and I have
a fan fiction i'm writing right now, and I kid
you not, I'm at the I know how the story goes,
I'm at the precipice of it going all wrong. I
can't write it, Samantha. I feel too guilty. I'm like,
I can't do this to you.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Yeah, the tragedy is just too much tragedy.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
It's too much like I want you to be happy.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
So I've actually skipped the traumatic part and I've started
writing that healing from the traumatic part.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
I mean, that's not a bad thing.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
I think I could work. I think that's fun, but
it's fine.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
I never used to have that problem before, but now
I'm like I cannot write, I cannot.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Do this to you, but I still have it hanging there.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Like Also, I want to say I learned some new
fandom terms. And this is from TV trips dot com
quote when a creator answers a question about their work,
should they provide an in universe answer our real life answer?
The former is the Watsonian perspective, the latter doyalist.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Oh as in like Watson and Doyle's the writer. Okay,
I get it.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
I guess yes, Okay, yes, I bring this up because
that's been some criticism of specifically Book of Boba.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Fett is Like.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
I get I being like a lot of fans get
why you have to make these decisions based on budget
or technology or yeah, just basically plot stuff, but you
didn't explain it in universe like I get your real
life limitations, which you were kind of just like okay,
and you didn't really give it an answer. So it's
(09:08):
I had never heard of that before, but I was like, yes,
that's because all the time you're thinking about like, oh,
I wonder why the couldn't do this. I bet they
didn't have the money or something like that. So they
are those terms, And yes, of course, I want to
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talk about an fiction. We look down upon fan fiction
when women in non binary folks write it, but we
load it and make it into movies or TV shows
when it comes to men. And on top of that,
how toxic fanboys and studios are controlling what material gets
made and who gets to participate in making it. If
I could like make a thesis statement of the like
(09:55):
anger that I'm feeling, which, by the way, if this
was a different show, I would read that textus shade.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
I was going off. I was going off. I think
it is.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
I'm frustrated with who gets to side what canon is,
and then I frustrated with the fact that toxic fandom
is also influencing who gets to decide what canon is
when we are also making fun of fan fiction, which
is what you are doing right right. Yeah, So I
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do also want to put in here. I've said it
time and time again. Fan fiction is a hobby for
a lot of people. It's a hobby and it's not
like ever intended to go beyond that. It's like if
you like playing soccer and you're not ever thinking, oh
I'm going to be a professional one d You just
like playing soccer and I had somebody tell me recently
you could make money if you, you know, had a
Patreon and people could read your fan fiction, And I said,
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I sure could. But that kind of ruins to me
what fan fiction is, which is this sort of beautiful
free space where we're all doing that, and then I
think it would become this capitalist thing. Part of what
I'm talking about here as part of the problem. So
it's as seemingly simple as a topic as this is,
there are a lot of layers and my mind is
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always percolating on it.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
So wait for fan fiction that has become successful. Is
that the same thought process like they did they sell out?
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Or is it like you know, we want that too?
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Uh? To me, it's not they sold out.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
To me, there's plenty of fan fiction And this is
the point I'm going to make throughout this that is
really good and like I would pay to read it,
and plenty of it is better than a lot of.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
What I see.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
But I guess my worry is if like the whole
world of fan fiction got monetized. Like I don't think
it's wrong that some things are picked up because they're
really resonating with people and then they make money.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
What bothers me. Is like if the idea that the whole.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
If I had to pay to read fan fiction, I
don't think I would, and I.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Love fan fiction, you know I love fan fiction.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah, so it's more just like my I don't want
to turn that world into a place where it's only
monetized and capitalized. I like that some people have found success,
and I think that some people could even I think
one person said, what if it was like you just
got the update early and that's the Patreon that you
paid for it is I maybe there's ways it could work.
(12:30):
I just don't want the whole You would pay pace, Yeah,
sometimes I know you would, Yes, I would, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I got no real problem. I do have a problem with,
like some people who have made success from fan fiction
writing fan fiction and then looking down on fan fiction
and getting mad when people write fan fiction about their work.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
That bothers me. But that's kind of a set.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Yeah that's fair. That's fair though.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yeah, that's a separate issue. Critical mm hmmm. So this
was inspired.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
This whole thing was inspired by Yes, the book Abobaffett
recently ending, but also a recent daydream I had of like, ooh,
what if I got to write a Star Wars show,
like what.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Would I do?
Speaker 2 (13:12):
And then I had the almost immediate shutting down of
this dream because not because I didn't think I couldn't
do it, but because I thought two things in quick succession. One,
these men doing it are more qualified. Two, I don't
want to deal with the inevitable fanboy backlash, which is
not good because if that's one of the first things,
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I think, that's very like, that's already gatekeepy, that's already like, okay,
these men know better, which you know they might, but
it's not. It was more of a just immediate shutting
down of no way I could compete, and it was
less of oh yeah, they've been working in film and
movie and writing. It was more of their men in
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this like nerdy world. And then the second, like the
fanboy backlash that I was immedia.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
I don't want to deal with that.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
I don't want to And I know people who have
left projects because of fan backlash and fanboy backlash specifically,
So that's already like, it's already not great when it
comes to diversity in these fields, but for that to
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be causing in this case, I'm thinking of women. I
know to leave that's making it.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Worse, and I do.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
I want to put in here, like I know how
annoying it is for people to look at your job
and think, oh, I could do that when you've had
training or been in the business for years total like respect,
but still like.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Just I don't know. I guess I'm questioning.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Who has afforded these opportunities because I still think I
could write something pretty good.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
I think I think you could do I think I
could you definitely.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
It frustrates me that and I just instantly doubted that,
Like even though I was like, with this idea, I
think I could.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Do it, and then I was like, oh, no, you
can never do that. I will say.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Also, having to deal with studios, especially big studio like Disney,
it seems like a real nightmare. I'm not sure I
could do that very well. But I think I could
write the thing.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
You just have to be famous before the fact.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Yes, so we need to make you famous, real famous, and.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Then have the support of Mark Hamill and then you
would be down.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
I would melt into a puddle.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
I know you would.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
That's like if you ever can't get old of me,
like after he ever.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Tweets me or something you can't get old of me,
you know.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
By the bye our Twitter, the stuff Mo'm never told you.
Twitter has now they do updates he did not. They
do updates of like you might be interested in this
person's sweet, and we follow a lot of people, and
out of nowhere it says, here's Mark Hamil's sweet.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
I didn't even know what it was about.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Out but because someone in the Twitter verse has realized
your love and we don't even follow Mark Hamill on
our stuff, mom never told you, but it needed to
alert us about Mark Hamill's text tweet that I'm pretty
sure it's because of you, which is quite funny because
we don't mention it at all in Twitter. But for
me to get that notification or for me to see
that notification, I was like, this is Annie's fault somehow.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
I don't deny it. I don't deny it.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
So I wanted to talk about Scream twenty twenty two,
which was a movie that I loved. I saw it
at the drive in and then I was fortunate enough
to see it again and I absolutely adored it, and
it actually addressed some of the stuff we're talking about.
And one of the things they have of course, in
every screen movie they have the scene where they sit
down and they talk about the rules of the horror movies,
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because if you haven't seen these movies, they're very, very meta.
And in this one, the character I can't remember her name,
but she's like Randy from the original movie her his niece.
She's like, we got to talk about requels, and she
breaks into this definition of what a requel is and
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she's like, you know, the fans are mad, like, you
can't have a straight reboot because they don't want that.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
They want some of the legacy characters from the other one.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
But you can't continue from what the last movie did
because they hated that. So you have to create something
that's not quite a sequel. It's a requel. It's in
between a reboot and a sequel. And so the movie
in itself, yes, exactly, and no joke, they bought up
Star Wars. In that conversation the Last Jedi in particular,
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the first text.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
I got about the movie, Oh my god, they're talking about.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Star Wars and fan FICTIONID and Mary Zeus, which was
all the all these critiques that were thrown against, like
the Mary Sue being ray and then you know this
is just fan fiction, which is part of what I
think is really frustrating me because it is fan fiction.
But you're making it sound like it's good when they
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do it how you want them to do it, but
it's not good when they don't do it the way
you think is the appropriate ray, appropriate way, appropriate ray.
But they also talked about in this movie. They talked
about toxic fanboys and toxic fandom and I wish I
could spoil the ending because it's so good and I
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have so many thoughts about it.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
But essentially, it's like.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Fans, this toxic fan culture, thinking they're entitled to a thing,
getting angry when they don't get that thing, and then
getting violent when they don't get that thing, and trying
to create something through violence that they believe is better. Also,
(18:55):
it is all about kind of it's very parallel to
Rage Journey.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
I'll just leave it at that.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
So good, but yes, let us talk about the Star Wars. So, okay,
I've been fired up.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
I've been fired up.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Way to go?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yeah, yeah, So I think I was getting really angry
watching there's been a lot of announcements around Star Wars lately,
and I also had the book of both fat and
I was just getting angry and angrier about this idea
that like these kind of white fanboys getting paid millions
of dollars to write fan fiction while it's so looked
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down upon and other like any other way, but you're
doing the same thing. You're doing the same thing. You're
just a dude and you're doing it and you got money.
And like maybe I'm not even saying they're not talent.
I'm just saying, like I'm kind of annoyed at this
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why we are differentiating where well they're doing it so.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
That's not fan fiction, but it is.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
It absolutely is, And I feel like it's proving to
me over and over again that they these kind of
fanboys at large, I'll say, missed the power of the
ending of Return the Jedi, which I think is feminist
in nature, and that's the whole thing, and that they
connect hardcore with like ass Slash Failure characters and think
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that violence and combat is the answer.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Which I've actually.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Thought a lot about this and I want to come
back and do it an episode on the glorification of
the Ass. But anyway, when so, when a lot of
these fanboys grew up who hated returned the Jedi by
the way, they hated it when came out. They got
to fix it, which to me is just like constantly.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
It's you know, I love being a fan, but it's
also sad sometimes I see it.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
That was a supernatural right when I was giving into
it in the ending, and there was so much debate
and even today not too loss. I somehow got on
TikTok and they're debating about who they hate and why they.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Hate them, and I was like, hewn, that seems unnecessary.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Yes, agreed, Agreed, And I try really hard.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
I try really really hard because I am a big
fan of stuff, Like I don't want to make people
feel bad about something they're a fan of as long
as it's not like hornfole or whatever, like right if
we have different opinions, because I'm very sensitive to that actually,
and so I try to be mindful of you know,
like there's a certain character that you brought back that
I hate in Book of popa Fat, but I know
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a bunch of people like him.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
So I was trying to be like, Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Cad Bane, Yeah, I was screaming at the TV.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
No.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
I feel like from the Rebels portion that I saw
that cad Bain should have been fighting Finnick, but I
was like, okay, that's true, or the bad Batch it
was on bad Batch where they fight.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah bad Batch.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Yeah yeah, and so again yeah, I try to be like,
it's not it's okay, this is my experience. But yeah.
(22:16):
It also cracks me up that a lot of fan
boys who were behind the whole not my Luke Skywalker
thing were mad that he wasn't a cinnamon role anymore.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
But if I told him what a cinnamon role was,
they would deny it. They would deny.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
That that was not masculine enough for them.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Absolutely, So that kind of cracks me up.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Also, just another thread, Pedro Pascal is essentially playing the
same character and the same dilemma in terms of audience,
which again I don't want to spoil things, but in
the last of Us, so that.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Was kind of I kept thinking that, like, wow, the same.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Oh you're doing.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
He's played the Mendo character in the last it's the
same character.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Okay, Yeah, So I guess what's.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Really annoying to me is that, yes, these toxic fanboys
are controlling what gets made in terms of like like
review bombing or just harassing people on social media, like
all these things that are intimidating people like me. Not
that I'm saying I could, I'm going to succeed, but
like I wouldn't even think of it, like I was immediate,
like no, because of this, and that is a term
(23:24):
of gatekeeping, and that at least somewhat along with studios interfering,
that's just influencing these franchises in particular, so heavily, not
just Star Wars. And on top of that, a lot
of the writers paid to write this glorified fan fiction
are still men who I think would be outraged if
(23:45):
it was called fan fiction. I think they would be
real pissed.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
So do we know Felony's stance on fan fiction because.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
He the way he describes why he loves it so much,
it sounds like he's talking about fan fiction because he
was like, I the story, and I would imagine what.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
If Yeah, I don't know, but I imagine it would
not be good because my thing is like I still
think even if even if he was like okay, yeah,
fan fiction, there's still that hang up on that idea
that fan fiction is written by girls, young girls who
(24:22):
just want to have sex with like characters. They like,
and that creeps them out and they dismiss it, which
is not true.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
It's not the case like that can't exist, and I
don't think there's anything wrong with.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
That existing, right Wait, but not the point of like
when boys would have pictures of scantily clad celebrities, that's
that same kind of level, except it's five.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah, but that's that's okay because male sexuality is fine,
but when it comes to young girls, that's not fine,
Like that's creepy.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Yeah, I mean this is I have a lot of experience,
as we've discussed in the world of fans fiction, so
this is a lot of my opinion and I will
acknowledge that, but I've also I've got experience, right, right,
I mean maybe that's ultimately what I'm trying to say is,
can we just like stop pretending that it's only young
girls who have some kind of sexual thing that freaks
(25:18):
you out writing fan fiction that you're looking down on
when that's what you are doing.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
And I'm not saying it.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Right and I'm not even like, again, I have no idea.
Maybe they're totally into fan fiction, but it just I
just feel like a lot of people would be furious,
like not just mad, but like outraged. If you said, oh,
the concept of labeling mm hmmm, yeah, Like, oh, that's
(25:47):
that's not academic and that's not good, so therefore no,
And then I think like, yeah, I guess it's just
frustrating because they make a lot of money off right,
and they get to decide what canon is.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Oh right, and right now.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
I'm still confused by that, like that's still a way
that doesn't exist.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
How is it canon?
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Now?
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Cool?
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Cool? Cool?
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Oh look, I have to ask you that all the time.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
I'm like what, Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh. So
I have my own head canon pretty pretty well. So
I'm like, I ignore that this happened because it's no
way I'll accept this. Yeah, it's a whole thing.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Bringing up so many issues right now.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
I was outraged over the past two days.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
I was like my friend she texted me, she said,
it sounds like you're grieving, and I was like, maybe,
but perhaps you are. I also am very like I
try very hard, like this will pass. I'm I'm right now,
I'm feeling it real hard, but this will pass, And
(26:55):
I'm I try really hard not to be like it's
not worth in my opinion, it's worth getting upset over,
but it's not worth getting that upset over, like I
have ultimately no control, even though I was also thinking
about that, like what if a bunch of I don't know,
feminist Luke Skywalker fans got.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
On and were like, hey, creators, if you don't do
this like the fanboys, could you imagine? Gosh? I was
so mad when I write this, but I wrote this outlet.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
I can tell because I wrote, they are the ones
with attachment issues explanation.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
I agree. I think that's true. Past it.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Wait, I was like, what do you mean you agree?
You said it. You can't agree with yourself everyone who
said it.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
I can't agree with past andy who was in the
throes of emotion. Oh my gosh, so much. And then
I wrote, pay me in all caps are consult me.
That's all I'm saying. I think I could be a
pretty good consultant.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
I think you've proven yourself on a movie crush, especially
you are teaching uh Chuck so much.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
I am the Jedi master.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Of Star Wars.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
It's like, I gotta I gotta let go of my emotions.
I gotta release them into the Force.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
I'm working on it, but let me ask you a
real quick because I feel like I need to and
go ahead and tell y'all this is a spoiler for
Bubba Fett. So if you want to pause it, skip
over it for a minute, you can. So Grogu has decided.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Not to be a Jedi. Correct, that's where we're at,
and this is the beginning decided with Mandalorian.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yeah, he's decided it at this point in time because
he's essentially the same choice that Yoda gave Luke, where
he's like, you can't go save your friends or you're
draining show.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
It's kind of the same thing.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
So Luke a parallel their parallel journey that.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Kind of because of because of how Grogu ages it's
not gonna work.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
I don't know again, Like that's some one of those
things where I'm like, I don't know if this is
your real life problem or you're in Cannon problem, but uh,
the way they're currently handling it, it won't work because
Luke will beat it by then.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Okay, moving on, Yeah, past that spoiler.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Pass the spoiler, but yes, thank you to all of
my friends and some of you listeners who have listened
to we just vent. I mean the text exchanges I've
had through these tough fandom times and cheers cheers to me, yes, yes,
(29:38):
and go write all the fan fiction. Go read all
the fan fiction. There's some amazing stuff. I mean, this
was like this book of Boba Fett. Thing was like
Chum and the fan fiction waters. All of a sudden,
a lot of people write.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
There was a lot of people with a lot of opinions.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Oh gosh, this show almost as many as the Marvel shows.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Oh yeah, yeah, and and just like that too, because
it was very it was very divided, it was very polarized.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
I would say, I feel like the Mandalorian people just
either really just lovet like it felt like that was
like a good show for people to be back into
this world, but like the rest of them had so
much Why did you do it this way?
Speaker 2 (30:19):
I was like, well, damn, yeah, I mean that's kind
of my biggest I keep hearing Miley Cyrus. You gave
it like a reckckball because the last three episodes were.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Not about Bubba Fet. That was an ad for the
Mandalorian season three.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Yeah, so that's and I don't really even like Bubba Fet,
but I was willing to give him a try, and
then they were like, never mind, it's gonna be about
this now, and he's not even in the episodes.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
I love Phoenix, so I was very excited because I
feel like they should have done more with.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Her, definitely, but okay, agreed, agreed. Well, thanks for letting
me have this space all day. I knew probably going
to go.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
I feel like we're gonna have another one soon.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
I think we might when I've like settled down a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Oh so thanks listeners for allowing me to have this journey.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
As always, we would love to hear from you.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
You can email U at steffand your mom Stuff at
iHeartMedia dot com. You can find us on Twitter at
mom Stuff podcast or on Instagram at Stuff I've Never
Told You. Thanks as always to our super producer Christina Oh.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
We need your opinions on this. Let's give it your opinions, Christina,
and we need you on for this.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Oh oh no, yes, And thanks to you for listening
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