August 1, 2026 • 47 mins
Many of us associate soup with comfort and cooler weather. However, soup is not immune to society's determination to gender everything. We dig into the history, the marketing and the arguments about why this is in this classic.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, this is Annie and Samantha.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I met of stuff I never told you production of iHeartRadio,
and as listeners know, I am. I'm going through my
loss of Savor, the other podcast I used to host,
and I was like, what episodes have we done that
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are food based that I could bring back just like
an honor of it. And I thought about the one
it was your idea, Samantha, and it was about soups
being for girls, like being gendered. Yeah, very strange, very strange.
And I know, you know, as weird as this is
coming out, it's very hot outside. Back to say, I've
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been eating a lot of soups, and I remembered. I
know this is strange to some people, but I have
this tradition around the anniversary of my dad's death was
to July twenty sixth, which does involve FUBB. And so
we've got soup on the brain.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Soup on the brain not a bad place to think on.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
That's not bad.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
The more thisss I wanted, I also have soup on
the brain. Obviously, well, always, always.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Always, well, listeners, let us know if you have soup
on the brain. But in the meantime, please enjoy this
classic episode.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Hey, this is Anny and Samantha.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I'm welcome to Steff. I never told your prediction of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
And y'all. Okay, So today is October twenty third, twenty four,
so coming up on Halloween. But it is not really,
this is not a Halloween episode. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Annie,
It's okay.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
I alogy said, we got a little we got derailed
by all of our We did COVID and Jerry duty,
and we didn't do as much as we normally do
the season.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
We didn't, and I think we need to. I think
we can make it up November and just make that
the season because we do need to come back to it.
But I will say this is a Fall episode. And
I say this though because originally when I thought of
this episode, it was because it had gotten below forty
at one point in Georgia, and if you know anything
(02:36):
about Georgia, that is significant because we don't have that
much coldness in the South, and especially with the global
warming and climate change, yeah, it's gotten worse. But I'd
love this season, Annie, I love this season. Fall really
is one of those seasons that lust to fool us
because again, in the South, we usually get about three
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weeks of lovely weather where the leaves turn gold and
red and yellow and all the things, and a cardigan
or a sweater is enough. You get a little bit
of a jacket. And it also ushers in one of
my favorite foods, soups, soups and stews and all of
the same, which we just had a funny conversation previously
(03:20):
about Coroner who does not love soups, and I'm a
little bit like, eh, that kind of disappoints me and you, Well.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
I won't I won't go into specific, but I am
gonna bring it up because this is really interesting to me.
She was asking me why I like soup, and the
gender difference we're going to talk about here is something
I had to consider and I had not previously. But
part of my answer was based on that.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
It's really okay, all right, So I will say, did
I just recently partake into a large bowl of kimpti
ja gay? That was last week, y'all? Like when I
say we started this idea last week when it was cold,
this week it is now back to eighties, like hot
at night at sixty degrees in the daytime is eighty
something degrees, And will be for the next week. I
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think we get like in one little dip next week.
Late next Monday, it goes back down to like fifty
something at night, so you know, Like so while I
got cold for a split second, I per took in
my kimchi jaga or kimchi stew. I also bought ingredients
for homemade chicken itddle soup. Then I waited too late
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and I didn't do it, but I will do it. Yes,
the answer is yes to all of that. And I
went on a search for one of my favorite soups
from last season because they did this whole whole like
Tortilla Kelle soup, Thank You, TikTok has. TikTok has like
soup talk weirdly where people just give you soup recipes
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as an entire three months of it, and I love
it and it's glorious, and most of the are ridiculously
complicated unnecessarily so like you have to make it, yourn,
they try to make your own stock. And I'm like, y'all, not.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
That that's so funny, because a lot of soups are
meant to be easy, that's simple.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yes, yeah, I'm like, why are you doing this to me.
But the kill tortilla soup, if you know, you know,
it is delicious and hearty and I love it. But
as I was hunting down the newer soup trends, I
was like, let me see what else. Looking fine, let's
see what's out there. I noticed a couple of articles
that popped up at me, and they implied that if
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you eat soup any or partake in eating soup, you
were feminine, a girl, and definitely you were not a man,
not a real man. And I'm putting that in quotes
and sarcastically. So somehow a delicious, brothy soup consumption, could
it actually imply you were not manly enough. Maybe you're enough,
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but not manly enough.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
You Like, I get why we I mean I don't
get it, but I kind of get it.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Why we have to tender everything. I am like, this
is odd, and this is also we don't talk about this.
Actually we do bring it up in one small snippet
in which a blogger talks about the fact that she
is like, my husband's what I make and if it's soup,
he gon't eat it. And it's kind of the same
thing for me, Like when I do the cooking and
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I get excited about soup. My partner gets excited. He's like,
oh my god. So and that's tortilla soup I was
telling you about. I made it about three or four
times last year. We love that soup in this house
that is a gourmet mill. You're very welcome with all
my prepackaged things that I added, except for the fresh kill.
So now, for the most part, for the most part,
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just like you, Annie, and just like myself, we don't
understand this concept. Like most people don't usually slander someone
for eating soup. Now, unlike our beer versus cocktails, as
we talked about previously, they will outright, like I've heard
that so commonly said, like if you're drinking a fruity
drink versus is an ipa, You're not mainly like the
assumption is a man's ordering that bar right, But there
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are those with some really strong opinions on this matter,
and it isn't really too surprising to see right wing people,
right wing as a conservative have some of these opinions.
During one commentary on Fox News, Jesse Waters made his
opinion known by saying, quote, you know my rule about
men eating soup in public? I don't think it's mainly
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and of course this was supposed to be a jab
atman who eat either soup or of course, in this
context is also ice cream again or both. Yes, this
was a response to Biden loving ice cream and eating
ice cream cone when he was kind of campaigning before
he dropped out, and implications of course of licking ice
cream cones, which, by the way, I was going to
talk about this but then it kind of bypassed very quickly.
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Was also a heated debate when two young women were
highlighted during a baseball game by ESPN by the network
for eating ice cream cones and all the nasty comments
made by gross strangers on the internet, which caused a
lot of backlash against ESPN for their usage of shots
like this because it happened quite often, which again, this
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should be a whole episode, which I said, I was
gonna do a quick one, but I'm like, yeah, we
need to talk about this because there was an obvious intention.
It wasn't just this once, but this woman, actually this
young woman came out and talked about it. She's like,
why did you do this? There's so many other moments
where we were really enjoying the actual game, but you
had to turn it onto two young, blonde, attractive girls
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eating licking ice cream and making sure and the commentators
did go, oh, well they're they're enjoying that something along
those lines. But all of that to say is why
does food bring out such weird odd reactions like eating
something means you're not manly enough soup, or too sexy
ice cream or not sexy enough like it? Like what
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what is happening? Like? I just why do we keep
having this conversation around food?
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Well again, that could be a whole other episode. But
the history of especially talking about women as if they
are food to be consumed. Yeah, we have sexualized food
in a lot of ways, and we've definitely put baggage
around things that are for weight loss therefore for women, right,
A lot of stuff, a lot of stuff we've done, right.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Well, I mean, like again we're not talking about this here,
but I know women have actually told me or actually
men too, actually they won't eat specific foods in public. Bananas,
we know that, like and hot dogs even, Like all
these connotations are like why can't you just let people
like sustain their body, let them be what's wrong with you?
(09:45):
But yeah, like that again a whole different conversation and
coming back to it, podcaster are Caroline Benniwick's I'm so
sorry if I said that wrong brought up the subject
again with this quote. She said, men cannot eat soup.
It's way too girly. You're going to take a little
spoon and put it up to your lips and you're
going to swallow a tiny little spoon. It's weird. It's wrong. Now,
(10:06):
I think I believe I did read that this was
supposed to be satire. I think she was specifically targeting
waters comments as he made gestures about a man handling
a teaspoon and while he was talking about you know
how I feel about men and spoons and then showing why.
But then again, many do have this opinion that eating
soup takes away one's man card again, non existent man card,
(10:30):
Sarah suching, I I think I've ever heard anyone reference
a woman's card.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
No, I don't think I have.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
That's never been a thing, but it's it's hilarious. And
a while back, as we mentioned before, as in pre
pandemic times, we did an episode on the stereotype of
women choosing salads while my men eat burgers. And men
drinking beer and all those stereotypes, so it shouldn't be
surprising that soup is somehow feminine. Again, I just thought
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it was a good course, like that is usually a preque.
But whatever. And there are several blogs where they have
the same conversation. In one blog by Katherine Mary Brady,
she writes, my grandsons informed me that they don't like soup.
My son in law doesn't either. They say that men
don't eat soup. It's not a proper meal, and that
has been an argument that's been made about different foods, salads,
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included about the fact that if it's not a proper meal,
then it cannot be considered for men. Right, And that's again.
There even was a book titled real Men Won't Eat Keeish.
I think we've referenced that, right.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
I believe so and over on my other shows Savor,
we did a whole episode on kish and there was
a big section about this.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yeah, so this was written I want to see in
the eighties, so well, a long time ago, as I
was born in the eighties. I say again about this
type of conversation, which makes me super sad because they're
missing out on such an eggy, delicious pie that is
Savor eight that I usually eat with a salad. So
maybe you know, according to all of the connotations that
we've talked about, really girly. And again, seems this specific
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reason is a dividing gender line. In many households, families,
partners debate whether soup is a meal in itself. Again,
don't get me wrong, I'm all about having a melty,
buttery grilled cheese with my creamy tomato soup from a can.
But can one eat the soup without the added sandwich
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for a meal or does that make you a beta?
I'm so confused why this is such a thing. One blogger,
Emerson Harken writes about this said conflict, saying, in my household, yes,
it's a belief. Soup is a reoccurring source of conflict.
From time to time, my partner Rachel will offer to
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cook dinner, only to serve soup instead. These incidents have
sparked lively debates about the meaning of the word meal
and sharing of domestic responsibilities. Are we really sharing cooking
equally if one of us is serving water? The advice
the friends and colleagues was of little help in our
resolving our domestic strife. Many of the people in my
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day to day life, most of whom are men, shared
by concerns about my partner's most leading mill related statements,
while people my part a consultant, mainly women, also believe
that the value of the meal is undiluted by literal dilution.
Mm hmmm uh.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
And they were so invested in this deception that they
decided to do a survey about it. He continues. Quote.
We carried out a gender based analysis of super related
attitudes and beliefs using a short online survey. The survey
consisted of a landing page asking can soup be a
meal on its own? After which respondents were presented with
examples of food which are often served in bowls and
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asked to classify them as soups or non soups.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
If y'all want to go look this up. Emerson Harken
is the dude, and he has I think it's e
Hearken is the blog. He has a whole graph He
has like graphs upon graphs upon graphs, So he was
really in this conversation. And here is their conclusion. Our
preliminary gender based analysis suggests that women may be more
likely to believe that soup is a mill than men,
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often borderline or trend level statistical significance. Deliberate attempts to
influence the outcome of the study. About one of the authors,
and the underrepresentation of men and our simple together means
that our results should be interpreted with caution. Because the
number of gender diverse respondents was very small, our work
should be regarded as an incomplete gender based analysis at best.
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The stronger association between soup belief and gender than appetite,
which is probably more closely linked with sex than gender,
further underscores the importance of carrying out a more comprehensive
gender based analysis than was possible here. So again, this
is one of those other things that I'm like, I
feel like maybe this is another episode where we talk
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about why the women are more likely to participate in surveys,
because looking at this study, literally three awards of the
participant who responded were women.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Well, it sounds like probably Rachel influenced, I imagine, given
the results.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
But is it also that she actually reached out to
people and said take this quiz and he did not
put that effort. That's true, Back to soup, Back to
soup and some other people had done some research on
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their own, but this is more of a lunch base survey,
which could be a better debate. I guess is soup
better at lunch or dinner? Hello Olive Garden and the
salad soup combo.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Yeah, yeah, I have a ree for that.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
I think I do too. I'm just too lazy to
do it. But it's delicious anyway. But according to their research,
women are two times as likely to order soup for
lunch than men. Oh and just in case you need
to know, National Homemade Soup Day is February fourth, so
put that a new calendar. Okay. Also, any I would
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say that you are a soup canda sore. What do
you think about all of this?
Speaker 2 (16:17):
It's bizarre to me, I mean, obviously, but given my
own experiences. When you said this was a thing, I
was like, really, because going back to the person in
our life, and I think if you know, you know
who it is who doesn't like soup. She asked me like, why,
what are some of the reasons you like it? And
I was saying, you know, it's really comforting and it's
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something that I feel easy to digest. But also it
reminds me of my dad. My dad love soup. He
didn't have any of this. We're a big soup family.
Like my mom loves soup. Every time I go home,
she's got a new soup she's made. She makes big
batches and just freezes them and will just heat it
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up and it's really easy. But I would say the
gender difference I noticed in my family is that my
dad preferred kind of what I would call heavier soups
with like usually beef and potatoes, stuff like that, but
he ate all kinds of things, and my mom she
preferred more like chicken and vegetables in her soup. I
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soup all the time, very happy.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
It's true, Like if she comes over to the house
and I'm asking the pessa, She's like, I just need
noodles and these things. And sometimes kill recipe that brings in.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Famously in our friend group, I had that birthday that
you were so kind to throw and it was a
sad sack soup weekend.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
That was my birthday, and we had soup the entire
time between I believe we may we bought we ordered
fuck because that's something I cannot do.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Then we had ramens and then we have something else.
We haven't need chicken and dumplings. That so chicken doubles
because I have my sister has an amazing chicken and
doubling's recipe and I love it. That is probably one
of my favorite meals period. Chickin and dublings is my
favorite outside of like Kim Chia Kay. There's a few
other like reminiscent, but chicken and doublings is my go to.
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But yeah, like we had that as well as the
fact that I have stacks of phone stuff with sacks
upon noodles like Asian types of noodles in my house
and I keep it on the regular.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
And you know, the whole talk about being comforting, that
is scientifically true, Like it is actually comforting to the
point that they tested people's moods and how they would
react to like their own prejudices. So like they would
test people's prejudices before and after soup, and they would
be kinder because they were already like they were comforted,
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or they would be less stressed with after getting some soup.
So like this is a scientific thing. I didn't really
write that in here, and I think it's an amazing idea.
And we're gonna talk about the whole like medical level
of it. But yeah, like it really is true, like
that level, and then there's such memories. Of course we're
talking about that with food in general. Chain and dumplings
for me is one of those things too. But again,
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of course, as we were mentioning, this could be a
cultural thing. Perhaps many cultures eat soup all year round
and whenever. Many eat soup for breakfast. Kan Geese, which
are savory rice porges, are often eaten in Asia for
breakfast as well as sicknesses, as well as delicious miso
soup that is considered a breakfast soup. Egg drop soup
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there's a specific type in Korea that is often used.
Or there's a blueberry soup in Scandinavia which looks really interesting,
like the whole soup is like oh because apparently while
blueberries is like a whole season, and they have this
whole thing and then they make this blueberry soup out
of it, Like this is genius. Of course, savory dishes.
I like this start the day, right, I think there's
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something to it. I know I've woken up many a
couple of times and I've told you, like I'd have
just had ramen for breakfast, and it's actually not a
bad idea. I times, yeah, perfect, Maybe too much salt
for the ramen, but you know still yeah, yeah, yeah so,
but even more so, many cultures eat soup whenever. Korean
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stews or Jiga's are a staple that is used for
celebrations and luck. Seaweed soup for birthdays, but don't eat
it around exam times. It doesn't bring you luck. We know,
we have the whole like soup that I make for
lunar New Years that I have done for the past
couple of years. Of course, some may debate that stews
and soups are different and constitute it as being more manly.
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I guess less liquid means more testosterone. Yeah maybe, who knows.
I love a good stew, don't get me wrong. But
the other question is chili a soup or a stew
or either?
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Oh no, Well, in my personal opinion, it would be
its own things, own thing. Yeah, because I feel like
a stew is like usually thicker, the broth isn't like
its liquity. I feel like chili is within the family,
but that's.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
It's own thing. I have a feeling people have opinions,
so I'm excited to you about this, And of course
why is it considered manly? Chilies are considered really mainly
to the point that the contests that I've seen are
mainly men made up of men. Uh and like burly
men at that Yeah, chunky, chunky man. So according to
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Scott Hutcheson, yes, it is mainly and he's possessed specifically this,
like ribs and steak, chili is a dish safe enough
for even the manliest of men to prepare. Yeah, maybe
it is the image of firefighters five alarm virsins the
spicy heat of the dish. Or maybe is that making
chili like grilling, is a good excuse to drink beer.
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Whatever the reason, a request for a pot of chili
can get many men into the kitchen. Oh. I think
he was trying to persuade men to do more cooking.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I know, but wow, come on.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
But and then he added the recipe for one of
the worst types of chili in my opinion, and I
hold strong for that because I think I got very loud.
I'm so sorry, Christina, the Cincinnati style chili. I'm sorry.
Cinnamon and nutmeg and chili is a travesty. The first
time I had it, I literally almost spit it out.
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I don't try not to because someone made it for
me and it was a tradition for her family and
I was trying to be very very nice about it,
and I was like, oh, what is this. I think
her family is from Ohio, so this was the thing,
and I was like, what did I just eat? And why?
Speaker 2 (22:48):
That's funny because I feel like cinnamon. I don't know
about nutmeg, but cinnamon makes sense to me.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
How dare you a lot of.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Like stuff like that puts cinnamon in it? Maybe not much, but.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
A lot of people love this type. And I know
this because it's also like they use spaghetti. They'll eat
it with spaghetti. Oftentimes the sloppy Joe has cinnamon in
it too, which is why I despised it growing up.
I hated it growing up. I still do. I think
there's a lot of things in that. I was like,
I don't like this.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
You know, there's a tradition I can't remember if it's
Ohio listeners right in. We did a whole episode on it,
but there's a tradition of school lunches in Ohio, perhaps
serving cinnamon rolls with chili. Really, it's like a classic combination.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
I'm horrified.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I can I could see it.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
I am horrified. I know. I feel like I've just
offended a lot of people because this is like a
heatd take, not a heat of take, but like both
of those can be a heat to take, like whether
you like it or you don't, because people have a
lot of strong opinions on this one. I've seen it.
Like I said, when she made this for me, she
was kind of apologetic because she didn't know how react,
and I think she was trying to, Yes, this was
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a white woman welcome me to her culture with this,
and I just thought, there was like, what is what
is this? And I say, this is a person that
does not like caned chili. I actually despise it. Also,
I only like it like homemade because there's just like,
I don't know, there's something about it that just I
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think that people few that way about a lot of things.
Canny anything, process, anything is a little different from your
homemade making yourself. And I of course also love to
burn my face off. I love to sweat when I eat,
and so chili is no exception to that. And one
time I made it so hot. I pre like, profusely
apologize to both my partner and I think Annie you
were there, I was like, oh god, I think I
made a mistake.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
I know I've had your chili and it was really good.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Thank you. I was like, I added too many habitatuals
ay sorry, but all of that to say, yeah, I
don't like it. If you want my opinion on Cincinnati style, yep,
I think it's fine. And he's on your side.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
I am not.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
But again, there could be back to away from Cincinnata chili.
I'm so sorry, but there could be the idea that
more meat, beans and spice equals mainly especially spicy and
the spici or the mainly or maybe it's the picture
of rugged firefighters in the kitchen cooking chili that pushes
the narrative even more because and y'all the amount of
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times that I've seen firefighters come into the Kroger as
a one giant unit to watch each each other's shop,
and my assumption instead of making chili. But I know
part of that is I'm sure someone's gonna yell at
me about this. Is. Part of that is because you know,
making something big, a giant thing accessible quickly. Chilis is easy.
It is, so that's one of the reasons it's one
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of my favorites in the winter time, making my homemade chili,
because you can make a lot very quickly. All you
have to do is really chop up some vegetables, put
some cans the other and ym yum yum m hm.
You're welcome, and you can make it different. You can
like my partner will go all out and put like
brisket and such, and I'm like, I don't have time
for this, give me ground meat. I one time put
like jumbalaya sausage in it made it nice and smoky,
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but that texture did not.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
I didn't have the texture that pexture can.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Yeah, but anyway, all that to say is yes, maybe
that's why it's all mainly and that's a good specifically
two firefighters like that. That reason makes says, I can't
make a tin course mal for a squadron when they're
on uh ready on call at all times. So that
could be that. But for some reason that narrative is
enough to make it manly. Who knows. But back to cultures,
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who would say that soups are nourishing, Yes, it seems
when it comes to soups that aren't thought of as
American are more likely to be treated as a legitimate
genderless dish, such as fua and ramen. Again, this could
be the argument that the spicier it is, the manlier
it is. Because I love me some good spicy ramen,
I go like, alter heat five if I can, and
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then like like, it's not drippling if you eat ramen,
you know what I mean. But this could be a
whole other conversation about appropriating versus appreciating with other cultural
culinary dishes. By the way, side note, did you know
there was a white couple who ran a white couple
who ran a fuss shop in the UK who trademarked
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the word phuh so that no other competitor could use
that word in their shops.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
And yeah, by the way, they received a lot of
backlash for that. Also, now there's a recent trend of
white French Canadian couple who was selling boba and then
when they were asked about like, how are you you know,
different from the boba that is in Asian shops, and
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they are like, well, you know, first of all, boba
should is not ethnic anymore. And you don't know what's
in those types of boba because you know Asian people,
but in ours it's clean and healthy, and they were like,
what the needless to say, They got a lot of
backlash as well, because they were like, you can't, you
can't do that. You can you can make it something
(28:15):
and you can say that you like this, and so
therefore you wanted to jump on board, but you can't
pretend like you're dismissing all the others and yours is
better somehow, But that's what happened. Who knows. I'm wondering
with all of that, because white people have kind of
come on board with all of this, has it become
more acceptable because more people white people like it that
(28:38):
whole level.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Well, I think I was talking to you about this.
I don't think a lot of people who don't have
a lot of experience with things like fu or ramen
would call it soup. I don't think we really call
it soup really, or especially ramen fu. Maybe yeah, but
I think people think of it more as noodles, but
not pasta. Because I have a friend, so she doesn't
(29:00):
like pasta, but she loves ramen. And my mind was
breaking about it, and I was like, Okay, So I
think maybe there's also.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Especially so me, it disconnects with that.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Yeah, so I think that for some people they wouldn't
consider some of this soup even though it is Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
I guess maybe because but the thing is like, for
I know a lot of Korean dishes where you have
like the lovely broth with the handpuld noodles. The broth though,
is what makes the taste. Yeah, they want you to
have good noodles, and they want it to be good noodles,
but they're focusing on that broth. Yeah, definitely interesting. Anyway,
back to soups in the US. So these soup companies
(29:42):
have been on a high alert of this gendered problem,
and thanks to their marketing team, they've had some ideas.
In the nineteen forties, they went on to post ads
with cartoon drawings of women in aprons and Annie, I've
got the link if you want to go look at
this women in aprons surrounding a sign that says quote
for men only, with a caption he man is the
(30:06):
world for these hearty suits, But ladies you'll like them too.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Oh great, and.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Y'all and yes, all, y'all they had he Man soup ads,
which classifies split pea soup as part of that group.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
I think I want to do an episode of a
split pea soup over on Savor because I think split
pea soup had a whole thing. Does it got associated
with like fine dining and stuff?
Speaker 1 (30:34):
I did, so like just a little bit that I
read like split pea soup, the way that it had
like built up. It was absolutely originally a poor person
soup because peas were easy. There's a whole rhyme. I
didn't put it in here. There's a rhyme they have
in regards to peas and and the soup and making
them into soup. And then it got taken over and
(30:58):
it became fine dining somehow, which is really odd to me.
I hate peace. I mean I need a lot of things.
Oh no, it seems just not me.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Okay. But anyway, back to Campbell's and all of this
marketing that was going on around soups and making it masculine. Yeah,
Campbell's had the Chunky brand, which I remember still around
that have football players on the branding, so just so
you know, it's very masculine, and it did work. But
(31:33):
with a twists. It's just like moms. It's just like
mom used to make well that kind of home style. Yeah,
here's some information from FastCompany dot com. Quote the beauty
of the chunky marketing campaign is twofold. It is both
a serious appeal to manliness and a self deprecating look
(31:53):
at the absurdities of marketing. We're talking about soup here.
Nothing that you eat with the spoon is ever in
danger of seeming stereotypically macho, unless it's motor oil. The
ads are aware of their own silliness, which leaves viewers
that much more vulnerable to the real and ridiculous message
that soup is a manly food. The ads also cast
(32:14):
a massive net of appeal by telling consumers that all
you have to do is love your mom, and that
makes you at Campbell's chunky kind of guy. Is it silly, yes?
But is it also brilliant? Absolutely? I mean, I love
my mom, don't you. Let's celebrate by eating some broccoli
and cheddar.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Yeah. So the message is, yes, men can eat soup,
but as long as you can contribute this to your mother,
right your mom. Now. These as debuted in the like
late nineties, which is why you don't remember it any
and continued on during the early two thousands. But they're back,
they're back at it, and it is a bit of
them kind of a balance. I guess you have what
(32:56):
you may consider what many would consider green flag dudes.
He's a good dude who isn't a sexist as far
as we know, seemingly caring guy who has who shows
some emotions type of thing. Then they're the ones that's
advertising this. So we have Jason Kelcey lying on a
bear rug making soup still mainly but now sexy. Yeah, sure,
(33:26):
or perhaps it's supposed to be approachable unless Mama's boy.
It's abatable, abatable. I think Travis Kelsey was also involved,
but his commercial was a little different. But it definitely
is that lie like and this is recent twenty twenty four,
like this just happened now. Maybe the classification of soups
being feminine has something to do with is level of
(33:49):
implications of social class and social status. Also, so soup's
origins can be dated back to the idea of eating
vegetables dipped in broth, as a lot of people could
the four meat. So we have old tails such as
the stone soup, which tells the story of a village
coming together to make a delicious soup with their meager
(34:09):
ingredients that they didn't want to share at first. They're
trying to hoard and pretend like they didn't have anything
made by a hungry traveler. It could also be the
fact that they used to take hot stones. I believe
ancient Asia used to take hot stones and put it
in water in order to boil it, so that could
be that stone soup conversation too. But this isn't again,
(34:29):
this isn't so far off. Many creations of soup came
from what they had left over. That's where it begins.
When it comes to making stocks and broth, it is
literally using leftover parts and ingredients. We know those. It
looks like trash. Like when I saw someone for the
first time making actual stock, was like, what the hell
you do? And then it turned out they were making
really delicious stock. As a writer of all Things Sicilian
(34:50):
andmore dot com rights, soups were made with what was
once considered the poorest of ingredients. Then they say something
in Italian. I'm going to translate it to English because
I can't say it in Italian. Making something out of
nothing yeah, And when do you think of like gel
gelatin that's often in soups.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
It's bones, It's just boiled bones.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Here's some more detail of soup's origins from hotmixedpro dot
com quote the soup is the food of the working class.
Is origin dates back so many years ago, when poor
peasants could only afford some vegetables dipped in a broth.
To better understand the origin of this food, we have
to start from the name. The soup comes from the
Gothic word supa, which means slice of soaked bread. In fact,
(35:43):
rich lords often ate meat or other foods over thick
slices of bread in the Middle Ages, which effectively replaced
the dishes at the end of the meal. The pieces
of bread left by the rich people were donated to
the servants who cooked them with the other vegetables and
pots full of water.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Right, which I find fascinating. Maybe that's why, like, really
nice cuts of meat from barbecue places are on top
of whitebread. I thought that was a Southern tradition, maybe
super rooted. Who knows. So perhaps these original connotations are
part of this feminization of soups. To be successful, to
be manly, all those things kind of jot together, and
(36:20):
so therefore you can't be eating soup. Come on, man,
you gotta be an alpha. Or perhaps it's how soups
became a whole diet trend. Now we're not gonna get
too too deep in this, obviously, but yeah, which brands
fell for like they loved this idea and really really
tagged onto it. To the fact that if you go
(36:42):
and look at the different types of soups and brands
in the grocery stores, you will see these low calories,
low sodium. Low sodium is great, that is actually really great,
but all these low calorie things that they have marketed
for people who are on soup diets. But the cabbage
soup diet is probably one of the best known soup
diets in the US. And I can't lie I participated,
(37:05):
but honestly, I just really love cabbage. I love cabbage.
My mom used to boil cabbage as a side dish,
and I loved that so much to the point that
I would eat it like soup. I would just add
tons of pepper and go to town. Yeah. So I
love cabbage and soup, so I would eat it with quinoa.
It was one of my favorite combos. But yeah, I
was always hungry afterwards and fairly gassy, like I was
(37:28):
not feeling too good. So according to Wikipedia, the originations
may date back to the nineteen fifties and became super
popular in the nineties. Yeah, my partner actually talks about
how like he hates because I talked about making cabbage
soup or like during the winter time because I just
love it, and he was like ough. He would tell
me stories repeatedly every time I mentioned cabbage soup about
(37:49):
his old babysitters who that's all she ate And he
hated it. He hated the smell of it, he hated
everything about it. I guess he really did not like
his babysitter. I don't know what. I don't know, Oh dear,
Maybe that's just like, why do you have to eat
this cause Lily maybe she was super gassy too, Who knows. Anyway.
Spoiler alert, it doesn't work. You may lose a bit
(38:11):
of weight, and unless you make this the only food
you eat for the entirety of your life, you will
quickly gain it.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Back the way generally with the diets. That's how it
goes exactly. Here's some information from Healthline dot com quote.
Unless you have a more sustainable diet to transition to,
you'll likely regain any weight you lose on the diet. Furthermore,
studies suggests that when you greatly restrict calorie intake or
lose a sustainable amount of weight quickly, there's a reduction
(38:39):
in your metabolic rate. This means that your body begins
to burn fewer calories per day than it did before.
As a result, after going off the diet, your lowered
metabolism may make it harder to maintain your weight loss. Additionally,
as soup diets like the Cabbage Soup Diet and Sacred
Heart diet are quite restrictive in the types and amounts
of foods allowed, there's a concern for new deficiencies. While
(39:02):
eating a restricted diet for just five to ten days
is unlikely to result in serious nutrient deficiencies, especially if
taking a multi vitamin, significantly reducing calorie intake can lead
to side effects such as dizziness, weakness, or fatigue.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Right, and unfortunately the diet has come back round, But
it's now called souping, and he's called souping. Who thinks
of these? Who does this? Who's doing this?
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Philly.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
This is a millennial trying to be on track against
So yeah, article after article for women's magazines have popped
up with the newest diet trend of souping. Now it's
not all bad again, eating soup is fantastic. The amount
of health benefits and nutritional values is pretty high. Veggies
for everyone, Yeah, everybody eat veggies. But as it continues
(39:51):
to be marketed and targeted to women as weight loss solutions,
we can see that the gender line of soup consumption
is more visible. So obviously we're making this a fad
for women that again, like all I saw was like
Glamor magazine has something in it, Women's Day magazine has
like what what is going on? It does? It makes
(40:11):
it feel like, okay, soup is for diets. Yeah, but
back to the souping. Apparently it is thought of more
as a cleanse rather than a consistent diet. So you
can do like the cabbage diet for two weeks as
a as a kickstarter, which by the way, there's no
actual benefits to that. That's not a thing scientifically, it's
not a thing. No, But adding soup to your meal
(40:34):
in order to feel more full and eating less and
helping to eat more fiber. So that's kind of the
new souping idea is to add it to meals, which
I feel like is just okay, moving on, that's kind
of hoole Like people talk about drinking a glass of water. Yeah,
you're gonna fel full, but you're gonna want Okay whatever.
Soup probably is better if you have a lot of
vegetables in it and it's delicious and you're like, yeah,
(40:54):
let me eat this. Maybe it does and then you
get also have your you know, fried chicken to the side.
I love brit chicken. Yeah. So the New York Post
recently wrote an article about this fat and here's what
they said. Souping, often seen as a method for clean
eating and weight lass, involves adhering to a diet consisting
exclusively of a vegetable soups for set duration, typically seven days.
(41:17):
Kelsey Costa, a nutrition consultant for diabetes strong ink toll Parade.
So this was like article in an article In essence,
souping is the soup version of a juice cleanse. So
she goes on to also say the same things that
we just said, They're not wonderful, be careful, don't do this.
If you're doing these things, be highly aware of what
you're putting into your body and realize if you're still hungry,
(41:38):
it's probably not effective. Just great. So they also advised,
like other professionals said, this is not a long term thing,
meaning yes, less than two weeks at a time. But
you know what, we do know that soups can be
really good for you. So in fact, in fact, we
know that when it comes to illnesses like coals or
(41:58):
just tummy aches had we always turn to some soup.
I do. I'm like, yeah, give me, give me some soup.
Apparently it was even prescribed as medication in the twelfth
century for respiratory tract issues. And guess what, it actually
can be beneficial for culls, according to doctors and researchers.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Here's some information from Pennmedicine dot org. Quote research by
Ken Albala, a food historian at the University of the
Pacific in California, published research in the journal Studies in
History and Philosophy of Science Part C Studies in History
and Philosophy of Biological and Biomedical Sciences suggest that eating
soup while you are ill comes from common knowledge and
(42:38):
an informal intuition. Albala says soup is often the go
to food because it can be quote nourishing, restorative, easy
to digest, and interestingly liked in both consistency and color,
so as not to tax the system excessively. The same
recommendation is advised by Melissa Bailey RD, a clinical dietitian
at the Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania. Bailey believes
(43:02):
there is no one size fits all approach to diet.
It says that there is real scientific evidence backing the
merits of soup, especially for those with a cold.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Right, So this is the article that I'm talking about
in which they kind of go into the comforting level,
like it actually does change your mood, It does actually
help you feel a little better. It kind of that
warmth that goes down your throat, does ease your sore throats,
stuff like that. So they're definitely like great truths behind
why soups can be really good for you and amazing
(43:35):
and perhaps the soup being too nutritious or being associated
with sickness and pampering makes it a girly food as well,
like again that whole like Mom gave me soup as
a child, When I was sick or when I felt weak,
my partner gave me soup. Maybe that's what makes it feminine,
Like you know, it's kind of that whole reach the
(43:57):
unconscious bias for some reason that you associated with weakness,
so therefore it has to be feminine. I don't know.
Maybe I'm reaching for that, but I don't know if
this correlations have anything to do with it. Yes, you
can only eat soup if you're sick, dieting, or you're
a girl. The one article was titled these foods will
make You gay, and they were talking about soup, and
(44:19):
that's an article about water, saying you know you're not
manly if you eat soup. So his implication was like that,
you know you're gay if you eat soup. Obviously, unless
there's stews or chilies any only chilies. But all that
to say, I think soups are delicious. I'll come back
(44:39):
to let you know if I think chilies are soups
or stews. I haven't really thought about this. I will
ponder this. I think they are creative and wonderfully diverse.
I want some right now. I'm kidding kind of hungry,
So there you go. Let me know, do you think
soup is feminine?
Speaker 2 (45:01):
Better?
Speaker 1 (45:01):
Yet?
Speaker 2 (45:02):
Do you have souper recipes?
Speaker 3 (45:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (45:04):
I love good recipe, easy easy, peace y'all. But we
didn't talk about the history of soup because we're not safer.
But they did talk about the whole like popcn and
how that really revolutionized soups as well, So maybe it
being easy. I think this conversation about like h the
dude talking about how his wife made soup, I didn't
(45:27):
read whether it was homemade soup or she just popped
the can, and that's why he's implying that, you know,
this is cheating and it's not a full meal because
it's not homemade quote unquote.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
That well, there's also like separately, I think a lot
of people in the US associate soups with an appetizer,
therefore it's not a whole meal. But I think you
couldn't have it for the whole meal. But also the
history of soup making often required in the early early
days women to stay by the fire or whatever heat
source so it wouldn't go out. So I think it
(46:02):
probably got associated with women that way, and then men
and whiches and then men. There's a long history of
men in the West, particularly, I'll say of they are
the ones that bring home the meat. They're the domain
of meat. So if soup doesn't have like meat in it,
(46:24):
then not not mainly. No, Well there's a lot to
un back here, clearly, clearly, So listeners, if you have
any thoughts or recipes, please let us know. We eat
soup all the time. We're year round people, so yeah, yeah,
so send those our away. You can emails this steputy
(46:45):
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Speaker 1 (46:58):
Thank you and thanks you for listening.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
I met of stuff I never told you production of iHeartRadio,
and as listeners know, I am. I'm going through my
loss of Savor, the other podcast I used to host,
and I was like, what episodes have we done that
(00:30):
are food based that I could bring back just like
an honor of it. And I thought about the one
it was your idea, Samantha, and it was about soups
being for girls, like being gendered. Yeah, very strange, very strange.
And I know, you know, as weird as this is
coming out, it's very hot outside. Back to say, I've
(00:51):
been eating a lot of soups, and I remembered. I
know this is strange to some people, but I have
this tradition around the anniversary of my dad's death was
to July twenty sixth, which does involve FUBB. And so
we've got soup on the brain.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Soup on the brain not a bad place to think on.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
That's not bad.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
The more thisss I wanted, I also have soup on
the brain. Obviously, well, always, always.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Always, well, listeners, let us know if you have soup
on the brain. But in the meantime, please enjoy this
classic episode.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Hey, this is Anny and Samantha.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I'm welcome to Steff. I never told your prediction of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
And y'all. Okay, So today is October twenty third, twenty four,
so coming up on Halloween. But it is not really,
this is not a Halloween episode. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Annie,
It's okay.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
I alogy said, we got a little we got derailed
by all of our We did COVID and Jerry duty,
and we didn't do as much as we normally do
the season.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
We didn't, and I think we need to. I think
we can make it up November and just make that
the season because we do need to come back to it.
But I will say this is a Fall episode. And
I say this though because originally when I thought of
this episode, it was because it had gotten below forty
at one point in Georgia, and if you know anything
(02:36):
about Georgia, that is significant because we don't have that
much coldness in the South, and especially with the global
warming and climate change, yeah, it's gotten worse. But I'd
love this season, Annie, I love this season. Fall really
is one of those seasons that lust to fool us
because again, in the South, we usually get about three
(03:00):
weeks of lovely weather where the leaves turn gold and
red and yellow and all the things, and a cardigan
or a sweater is enough. You get a little bit
of a jacket. And it also ushers in one of
my favorite foods, soups, soups and stews and all of
the same, which we just had a funny conversation previously
(03:20):
about Coroner who does not love soups, and I'm a
little bit like, eh, that kind of disappoints me and you, Well.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
I won't I won't go into specific, but I am
gonna bring it up because this is really interesting to me.
She was asking me why I like soup, and the
gender difference we're going to talk about here is something
I had to consider and I had not previously. But
part of my answer was based on that.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
It's really okay, all right, So I will say, did
I just recently partake into a large bowl of kimpti
ja gay? That was last week, y'all? Like when I
say we started this idea last week when it was cold,
this week it is now back to eighties, like hot
at night at sixty degrees in the daytime is eighty
something degrees, And will be for the next week. I
(04:08):
think we get like in one little dip next week.
Late next Monday, it goes back down to like fifty
something at night, so you know, Like so while I
got cold for a split second, I per took in
my kimchi jaga or kimchi stew. I also bought ingredients
for homemade chicken itddle soup. Then I waited too late
(04:29):
and I didn't do it, but I will do it. Yes,
the answer is yes to all of that. And I
went on a search for one of my favorite soups
from last season because they did this whole whole like
Tortilla Kelle soup, Thank You, TikTok has. TikTok has like
soup talk weirdly where people just give you soup recipes
(04:55):
as an entire three months of it, and I love
it and it's glorious, and most of the are ridiculously
complicated unnecessarily so like you have to make it, yourn,
they try to make your own stock. And I'm like, y'all, not.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
That that's so funny, because a lot of soups are
meant to be easy, that's simple.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yes, yeah, I'm like, why are you doing this to me.
But the kill tortilla soup, if you know, you know,
it is delicious and hearty and I love it. But
as I was hunting down the newer soup trends, I
was like, let me see what else. Looking fine, let's
see what's out there. I noticed a couple of articles
that popped up at me, and they implied that if
(05:32):
you eat soup any or partake in eating soup, you
were feminine, a girl, and definitely you were not a man,
not a real man. And I'm putting that in quotes
and sarcastically. So somehow a delicious, brothy soup consumption, could
it actually imply you were not manly enough. Maybe you're enough,
(05:53):
but not manly enough.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
You Like, I get why we I mean I don't
get it, but I kind of get it.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Why we have to tender everything. I am like, this
is odd, and this is also we don't talk about this.
Actually we do bring it up in one small snippet
in which a blogger talks about the fact that she
is like, my husband's what I make and if it's soup,
he gon't eat it. And it's kind of the same
thing for me, Like when I do the cooking and
(06:21):
I get excited about soup. My partner gets excited. He's like,
oh my god. So and that's tortilla soup I was
telling you about. I made it about three or four
times last year. We love that soup in this house
that is a gourmet mill. You're very welcome with all
my prepackaged things that I added, except for the fresh kill.
So now, for the most part, for the most part,
(06:43):
just like you, Annie, and just like myself, we don't
understand this concept. Like most people don't usually slander someone
for eating soup. Now, unlike our beer versus cocktails, as
we talked about previously, they will outright, like I've heard
that so commonly said, like if you're drinking a fruity
drink versus is an ipa, You're not mainly like the
assumption is a man's ordering that bar right, But there
(07:06):
are those with some really strong opinions on this matter,
and it isn't really too surprising to see right wing people,
right wing as a conservative have some of these opinions.
During one commentary on Fox News, Jesse Waters made his
opinion known by saying, quote, you know my rule about
men eating soup in public? I don't think it's mainly
(07:29):
and of course this was supposed to be a jab
atman who eat either soup or of course, in this
context is also ice cream again or both. Yes, this
was a response to Biden loving ice cream and eating
ice cream cone when he was kind of campaigning before
he dropped out, and implications of course of licking ice
cream cones, which, by the way, I was going to
talk about this but then it kind of bypassed very quickly.
(07:51):
Was also a heated debate when two young women were
highlighted during a baseball game by ESPN by the network
for eating ice cream cones and all the nasty comments
made by gross strangers on the internet, which caused a
lot of backlash against ESPN for their usage of shots
like this because it happened quite often, which again, this
(08:13):
should be a whole episode, which I said, I was
gonna do a quick one, but I'm like, yeah, we
need to talk about this because there was an obvious intention.
It wasn't just this once, but this woman, actually this
young woman came out and talked about it. She's like,
why did you do this? There's so many other moments
where we were really enjoying the actual game, but you
had to turn it onto two young, blonde, attractive girls
(08:33):
eating licking ice cream and making sure and the commentators
did go, oh, well they're they're enjoying that something along
those lines. But all of that to say is why
does food bring out such weird odd reactions like eating
something means you're not manly enough soup, or too sexy
ice cream or not sexy enough like it? Like what
(08:55):
what is happening? Like? I just why do we keep
having this conversation around food?
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Well again, that could be a whole other episode. But
the history of especially talking about women as if they
are food to be consumed. Yeah, we have sexualized food
in a lot of ways, and we've definitely put baggage
around things that are for weight loss therefore for women, right,
A lot of stuff, a lot of stuff we've done, right.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Well, I mean, like again we're not talking about this here,
but I know women have actually told me or actually
men too, actually they won't eat specific foods in public. Bananas,
we know that, like and hot dogs even, Like all
these connotations are like why can't you just let people
like sustain their body, let them be what's wrong with you?
(09:45):
But yeah, like that again a whole different conversation and
coming back to it, podcaster are Caroline Benniwick's I'm so
sorry if I said that wrong brought up the subject
again with this quote. She said, men cannot eat soup.
It's way too girly. You're going to take a little
spoon and put it up to your lips and you're
going to swallow a tiny little spoon. It's weird. It's wrong. Now,
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I think I believe I did read that this was
supposed to be satire. I think she was specifically targeting
waters comments as he made gestures about a man handling
a teaspoon and while he was talking about you know
how I feel about men and spoons and then showing why.
But then again, many do have this opinion that eating
soup takes away one's man card again, non existent man card,
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Sarah suching, I I think I've ever heard anyone reference
a woman's card.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
No, I don't think I have.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
That's never been a thing, but it's it's hilarious. And
a while back, as we mentioned before, as in pre
pandemic times, we did an episode on the stereotype of
women choosing salads while my men eat burgers. And men
drinking beer and all those stereotypes, so it shouldn't be
surprising that soup is somehow feminine. Again, I just thought
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it was a good course, like that is usually a preque.
But whatever. And there are several blogs where they have
the same conversation. In one blog by Katherine Mary Brady,
she writes, my grandsons informed me that they don't like soup.
My son in law doesn't either. They say that men
don't eat soup. It's not a proper meal, and that
has been an argument that's been made about different foods, salads,
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included about the fact that if it's not a proper meal,
then it cannot be considered for men. Right, And that's again.
There even was a book titled real Men Won't Eat Keeish.
I think we've referenced that, right.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
I believe so and over on my other shows Savor,
we did a whole episode on kish and there was
a big section about this.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yeah, so this was written I want to see in
the eighties, so well, a long time ago, as I
was born in the eighties. I say again about this
type of conversation, which makes me super sad because they're
missing out on such an eggy, delicious pie that is
Savor eight that I usually eat with a salad. So
maybe you know, according to all of the connotations that
we've talked about, really girly. And again, seems this specific
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reason is a dividing gender line. In many households, families,
partners debate whether soup is a meal in itself. Again,
don't get me wrong, I'm all about having a melty,
buttery grilled cheese with my creamy tomato soup from a can.
But can one eat the soup without the added sandwich
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for a meal or does that make you a beta?
I'm so confused why this is such a thing. One blogger,
Emerson Harken writes about this said conflict, saying, in my household, yes,
it's a belief. Soup is a reoccurring source of conflict.
From time to time, my partner Rachel will offer to
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cook dinner, only to serve soup instead. These incidents have
sparked lively debates about the meaning of the word meal
and sharing of domestic responsibilities. Are we really sharing cooking
equally if one of us is serving water? The advice
the friends and colleagues was of little help in our
resolving our domestic strife. Many of the people in my
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day to day life, most of whom are men, shared
by concerns about my partner's most leading mill related statements,
while people my part a consultant, mainly women, also believe
that the value of the meal is undiluted by literal dilution.
Mm hmmm uh.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
And they were so invested in this deception that they
decided to do a survey about it. He continues. Quote.
We carried out a gender based analysis of super related
attitudes and beliefs using a short online survey. The survey
consisted of a landing page asking can soup be a
meal on its own? After which respondents were presented with
examples of food which are often served in bowls and
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asked to classify them as soups or non soups.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
If y'all want to go look this up. Emerson Harken
is the dude, and he has I think it's e
Hearken is the blog. He has a whole graph He
has like graphs upon graphs upon graphs, So he was
really in this conversation. And here is their conclusion. Our
preliminary gender based analysis suggests that women may be more
likely to believe that soup is a mill than men,
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often borderline or trend level statistical significance. Deliberate attempts to
influence the outcome of the study. About one of the authors,
and the underrepresentation of men and our simple together means
that our results should be interpreted with caution. Because the
number of gender diverse respondents was very small, our work
should be regarded as an incomplete gender based analysis at best.
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The stronger association between soup belief and gender than appetite,
which is probably more closely linked with sex than gender,
further underscores the importance of carrying out a more comprehensive
gender based analysis than was possible here. So again, this
is one of those other things that I'm like, I
feel like maybe this is another episode where we talk
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about why the women are more likely to participate in surveys,
because looking at this study, literally three awards of the
participant who responded were women.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Well, it sounds like probably Rachel influenced, I imagine, given
the results.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
But is it also that she actually reached out to
people and said take this quiz and he did not
put that effort. That's true, Back to soup, Back to
soup and some other people had done some research on
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their own, but this is more of a lunch base survey,
which could be a better debate. I guess is soup
better at lunch or dinner? Hello Olive Garden and the
salad soup combo.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Yeah, yeah, I have a ree for that.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
I think I do too. I'm just too lazy to
do it. But it's delicious anyway. But according to their research,
women are two times as likely to order soup for
lunch than men. Oh and just in case you need
to know, National Homemade Soup Day is February fourth, so
put that a new calendar. Okay. Also, any I would
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say that you are a soup canda sore. What do
you think about all of this?
Speaker 2 (16:17):
It's bizarre to me, I mean, obviously, but given my
own experiences. When you said this was a thing, I
was like, really, because going back to the person in
our life, and I think if you know, you know
who it is who doesn't like soup. She asked me like, why,
what are some of the reasons you like it? And
I was saying, you know, it's really comforting and it's
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something that I feel easy to digest. But also it
reminds me of my dad. My dad love soup. He
didn't have any of this. We're a big soup family.
Like my mom loves soup. Every time I go home,
she's got a new soup she's made. She makes big
batches and just freezes them and will just heat it
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up and it's really easy. But I would say the
gender difference I noticed in my family is that my
dad preferred kind of what I would call heavier soups
with like usually beef and potatoes, stuff like that, but
he ate all kinds of things, and my mom she
preferred more like chicken and vegetables in her soup. I
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soup all the time, very happy.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
It's true, Like if she comes over to the house
and I'm asking the pessa, She's like, I just need
noodles and these things. And sometimes kill recipe that brings in.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Famously in our friend group, I had that birthday that
you were so kind to throw and it was a
sad sack soup weekend.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
That was my birthday, and we had soup the entire
time between I believe we may we bought we ordered
fuck because that's something I cannot do.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Then we had ramens and then we have something else.
We haven't need chicken and dumplings. That so chicken doubles
because I have my sister has an amazing chicken and
doubling's recipe and I love it. That is probably one
of my favorite meals period. Chickin and dublings is my
favorite outside of like Kim Chia Kay. There's a few
other like reminiscent, but chicken and doublings is my go to.
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But yeah, like we had that as well as the
fact that I have stacks of phone stuff with sacks
upon noodles like Asian types of noodles in my house
and I keep it on the regular.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
And you know, the whole talk about being comforting, that
is scientifically true, Like it is actually comforting to the
point that they tested people's moods and how they would
react to like their own prejudices. So like they would
test people's prejudices before and after soup, and they would
be kinder because they were already like they were comforted,
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or they would be less stressed with after getting some soup.
So like this is a scientific thing. I didn't really
write that in here, and I think it's an amazing idea.
And we're gonna talk about the whole like medical level
of it. But yeah, like it really is true, like
that level, and then there's such memories. Of course we're
talking about that with food in general. Chain and dumplings
for me is one of those things too. But again,
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of course, as we were mentioning, this could be a
cultural thing. Perhaps many cultures eat soup all year round
and whenever. Many eat soup for breakfast. Kan Geese, which
are savory rice porges, are often eaten in Asia for
breakfast as well as sicknesses, as well as delicious miso
soup that is considered a breakfast soup. Egg drop soup
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there's a specific type in Korea that is often used.
Or there's a blueberry soup in Scandinavia which looks really interesting,
like the whole soup is like oh because apparently while
blueberries is like a whole season, and they have this
whole thing and then they make this blueberry soup out
of it, Like this is genius. Of course, savory dishes.
I like this start the day, right, I think there's
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something to it. I know I've woken up many a
couple of times and I've told you, like I'd have
just had ramen for breakfast, and it's actually not a
bad idea. I times, yeah, perfect, Maybe too much salt
for the ramen, but you know still yeah, yeah, yeah so,
but even more so, many cultures eat soup whenever. Korean
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stews or Jiga's are a staple that is used for
celebrations and luck. Seaweed soup for birthdays, but don't eat
it around exam times. It doesn't bring you luck. We know,
we have the whole like soup that I make for
lunar New Years that I have done for the past
couple of years. Of course, some may debate that stews
and soups are different and constitute it as being more manly.
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I guess less liquid means more testosterone. Yeah maybe, who knows.
I love a good stew, don't get me wrong. But
the other question is chili a soup or a stew
or either?
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Oh no, Well, in my personal opinion, it would be
its own things, own thing. Yeah, because I feel like
a stew is like usually thicker, the broth isn't like
its liquity. I feel like chili is within the family,
but that's.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
It's own thing. I have a feeling people have opinions,
so I'm excited to you about this, And of course
why is it considered manly? Chilies are considered really mainly
to the point that the contests that I've seen are
mainly men made up of men. Uh and like burly
men at that Yeah, chunky, chunky man. So according to
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Scott Hutcheson, yes, it is mainly and he's possessed specifically this,
like ribs and steak, chili is a dish safe enough
for even the manliest of men to prepare. Yeah, maybe
it is the image of firefighters five alarm virsins the
spicy heat of the dish. Or maybe is that making
chili like grilling, is a good excuse to drink beer.
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Whatever the reason, a request for a pot of chili
can get many men into the kitchen. Oh. I think
he was trying to persuade men to do more cooking.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I know, but wow, come on.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
But and then he added the recipe for one of
the worst types of chili in my opinion, and I
hold strong for that because I think I got very loud.
I'm so sorry, Christina, the Cincinnati style chili. I'm sorry.
Cinnamon and nutmeg and chili is a travesty. The first
time I had it, I literally almost spit it out.
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I don't try not to because someone made it for
me and it was a tradition for her family and
I was trying to be very very nice about it,
and I was like, oh, what is this. I think
her family is from Ohio, so this was the thing,
and I was like, what did I just eat? And why?
Speaker 2 (22:48):
That's funny because I feel like cinnamon. I don't know
about nutmeg, but cinnamon makes sense to me.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
How dare you a lot of.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Like stuff like that puts cinnamon in it? Maybe not much, but.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
A lot of people love this type. And I know
this because it's also like they use spaghetti. They'll eat
it with spaghetti. Oftentimes the sloppy Joe has cinnamon in
it too, which is why I despised it growing up.
I hated it growing up. I still do. I think
there's a lot of things in that. I was like,
I don't like this.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
You know, there's a tradition I can't remember if it's
Ohio listeners right in. We did a whole episode on it,
but there's a tradition of school lunches in Ohio, perhaps
serving cinnamon rolls with chili. Really, it's like a classic combination.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
I'm horrified.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I can I could see it.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
I am horrified. I know. I feel like I've just
offended a lot of people because this is like a
heatd take, not a heat of take, but like both
of those can be a heat to take, like whether
you like it or you don't, because people have a
lot of strong opinions on this one. I've seen it.
Like I said, when she made this for me, she
was kind of apologetic because she didn't know how react,
and I think she was trying to, Yes, this was
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a white woman welcome me to her culture with this,
and I just thought, there was like, what is what
is this? And I say, this is a person that
does not like caned chili. I actually despise it. Also,
I only like it like homemade because there's just like,
I don't know, there's something about it that just I
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think that people few that way about a lot of things.
Canny anything, process, anything is a little different from your
homemade making yourself. And I of course also love to
burn my face off. I love to sweat when I eat,
and so chili is no exception to that. And one
time I made it so hot. I pre like, profusely
apologize to both my partner and I think Annie you
were there, I was like, oh god, I think I
made a mistake.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
I know I've had your chili and it was really good.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Thank you. I was like, I added too many habitatuals
ay sorry, but all of that to say, yeah, I
don't like it. If you want my opinion on Cincinnati style, yep,
I think it's fine. And he's on your side.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
I am not.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
But again, there could be back to away from Cincinnata chili.
I'm so sorry, but there could be the idea that
more meat, beans and spice equals mainly especially spicy and
the spici or the mainly or maybe it's the picture
of rugged firefighters in the kitchen cooking chili that pushes
the narrative even more because and y'all the amount of
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times that I've seen firefighters come into the Kroger as
a one giant unit to watch each each other's shop,
and my assumption instead of making chili. But I know
part of that is I'm sure someone's gonna yell at
me about this. Is. Part of that is because you know,
making something big, a giant thing accessible quickly. Chilis is easy.
It is, so that's one of the reasons it's one
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of my favorites in the winter time, making my homemade chili,
because you can make a lot very quickly. All you
have to do is really chop up some vegetables, put
some cans the other and ym yum yum m hm.
You're welcome, and you can make it different. You can
like my partner will go all out and put like
brisket and such, and I'm like, I don't have time
for this, give me ground meat. I one time put
like jumbalaya sausage in it made it nice and smoky,
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but that texture did not.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
I didn't have the texture that pexture can.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Yeah, but anyway, all that to say is yes, maybe
that's why it's all mainly and that's a good specifically
two firefighters like that. That reason makes says, I can't
make a tin course mal for a squadron when they're
on uh ready on call at all times. So that
could be that. But for some reason that narrative is
enough to make it manly. Who knows. But back to cultures,
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who would say that soups are nourishing, Yes, it seems
when it comes to soups that aren't thought of as
American are more likely to be treated as a legitimate
genderless dish, such as fua and ramen. Again, this could
be the argument that the spicier it is, the manlier
it is. Because I love me some good spicy ramen,
I go like, alter heat five if I can, and
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then like like, it's not drippling if you eat ramen,
you know what I mean. But this could be a
whole other conversation about appropriating versus appreciating with other cultural
culinary dishes. By the way, side note, did you know
there was a white couple who ran a white couple
who ran a fuss shop in the UK who trademarked
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the word phuh so that no other competitor could use
that word in their shops.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
And yeah, by the way, they received a lot of
backlash for that. Also, now there's a recent trend of
white French Canadian couple who was selling boba and then
when they were asked about like, how are you you know,
different from the boba that is in Asian shops, and
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they are like, well, you know, first of all, boba
should is not ethnic anymore. And you don't know what's
in those types of boba because you know Asian people,
but in ours it's clean and healthy, and they were like,
what the needless to say, They got a lot of
backlash as well, because they were like, you can't, you
can't do that. You can you can make it something
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and you can say that you like this, and so
therefore you wanted to jump on board, but you can't
pretend like you're dismissing all the others and yours is
better somehow, But that's what happened. Who knows. I'm wondering
with all of that, because white people have kind of
come on board with all of this, has it become
more acceptable because more people white people like it that
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whole level.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Well, I think I was talking to you about this.
I don't think a lot of people who don't have
a lot of experience with things like fu or ramen
would call it soup. I don't think we really call
it soup really, or especially ramen fu. Maybe yeah, but
I think people think of it more as noodles, but
not pasta. Because I have a friend, so she doesn't
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like pasta, but she loves ramen. And my mind was
breaking about it, and I was like, Okay, So I
think maybe there's also.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Especially so me, it disconnects with that.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Yeah, so I think that for some people they wouldn't
consider some of this soup even though it is Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
I guess maybe because but the thing is like, for
I know a lot of Korean dishes where you have
like the lovely broth with the handpuld noodles. The broth though,
is what makes the taste. Yeah, they want you to
have good noodles, and they want it to be good noodles,
but they're focusing on that broth. Yeah, definitely interesting. Anyway,
back to soups in the US. So these soup companies
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have been on a high alert of this gendered problem,
and thanks to their marketing team, they've had some ideas.
In the nineteen forties, they went on to post ads
with cartoon drawings of women in aprons and Annie, I've
got the link if you want to go look at
this women in aprons surrounding a sign that says quote
for men only, with a caption he man is the
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world for these hearty suits, But ladies you'll like them too.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Oh great, and.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Y'all and yes, all, y'all they had he Man soup ads,
which classifies split pea soup as part of that group.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
I think I want to do an episode of a
split pea soup over on Savor because I think split
pea soup had a whole thing. Does it got associated
with like fine dining and stuff?
Speaker 1 (30:34):
I did, so like just a little bit that I
read like split pea soup, the way that it had
like built up. It was absolutely originally a poor person
soup because peas were easy. There's a whole rhyme. I
didn't put it in here. There's a rhyme they have
in regards to peas and and the soup and making
them into soup. And then it got taken over and
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it became fine dining somehow, which is really odd to me.
I hate peace. I mean I need a lot of things.
Oh no, it seems just not me.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Okay. But anyway, back to Campbell's and all of this
marketing that was going on around soups and making it masculine. Yeah,
Campbell's had the Chunky brand, which I remember still around
that have football players on the branding, so just so
you know, it's very masculine, and it did work. But
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with a twists. It's just like moms. It's just like
mom used to make well that kind of home style. Yeah,
here's some information from FastCompany dot com. Quote the beauty
of the chunky marketing campaign is twofold. It is both
a serious appeal to manliness and a self deprecating look
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at the absurdities of marketing. We're talking about soup here.
Nothing that you eat with the spoon is ever in
danger of seeming stereotypically macho, unless it's motor oil. The
ads are aware of their own silliness, which leaves viewers
that much more vulnerable to the real and ridiculous message
that soup is a manly food. The ads also cast
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a massive net of appeal by telling consumers that all
you have to do is love your mom, and that
makes you at Campbell's chunky kind of guy. Is it silly, yes?
But is it also brilliant? Absolutely? I mean, I love
my mom, don't you. Let's celebrate by eating some broccoli
and cheddar.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Yeah. So the message is, yes, men can eat soup,
but as long as you can contribute this to your mother,
right your mom. Now. These as debuted in the like
late nineties, which is why you don't remember it any
and continued on during the early two thousands. But they're back,
they're back at it, and it is a bit of
them kind of a balance. I guess you have what
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you may consider what many would consider green flag dudes.
He's a good dude who isn't a sexist as far
as we know, seemingly caring guy who has who shows
some emotions type of thing. Then they're the ones that's
advertising this. So we have Jason Kelcey lying on a
bear rug making soup still mainly but now sexy. Yeah, sure,
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or perhaps it's supposed to be approachable unless Mama's boy.
It's abatable, abatable. I think Travis Kelsey was also involved,
but his commercial was a little different. But it definitely
is that lie like and this is recent twenty twenty four,
like this just happened now. Maybe the classification of soups
being feminine has something to do with is level of
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implications of social class and social status. Also, so soup's
origins can be dated back to the idea of eating
vegetables dipped in broth, as a lot of people could
the four meat. So we have old tails such as
the stone soup, which tells the story of a village
coming together to make a delicious soup with their meager
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ingredients that they didn't want to share at first. They're
trying to hoard and pretend like they didn't have anything
made by a hungry traveler. It could also be the
fact that they used to take hot stones. I believe
ancient Asia used to take hot stones and put it
in water in order to boil it, so that could
be that stone soup conversation too. But this isn't again,
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this isn't so far off. Many creations of soup came
from what they had left over. That's where it begins.
When it comes to making stocks and broth, it is
literally using leftover parts and ingredients. We know those. It
looks like trash. Like when I saw someone for the
first time making actual stock, was like, what the hell
you do? And then it turned out they were making
really delicious stock. As a writer of all Things Sicilian
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andmore dot com rights, soups were made with what was
once considered the poorest of ingredients. Then they say something
in Italian. I'm going to translate it to English because
I can't say it in Italian. Making something out of
nothing yeah, And when do you think of like gel
gelatin that's often in soups.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
It's bones, It's just boiled bones.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Here's some more detail of soup's origins from hotmixedpro dot
com quote the soup is the food of the working class.
Is origin dates back so many years ago, when poor
peasants could only afford some vegetables dipped in a broth.
To better understand the origin of this food, we have
to start from the name. The soup comes from the
Gothic word supa, which means slice of soaked bread. In fact,
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rich lords often ate meat or other foods over thick
slices of bread in the Middle Ages, which effectively replaced
the dishes at the end of the meal. The pieces
of bread left by the rich people were donated to
the servants who cooked them with the other vegetables and
pots full of water.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Right, which I find fascinating. Maybe that's why, like, really
nice cuts of meat from barbecue places are on top
of whitebread. I thought that was a Southern tradition, maybe
super rooted. Who knows. So perhaps these original connotations are
part of this feminization of soups. To be successful, to
be manly, all those things kind of jot together, and
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so therefore you can't be eating soup. Come on, man,
you gotta be an alpha. Or perhaps it's how soups
became a whole diet trend. Now we're not gonna get
too too deep in this, obviously, but yeah, which brands
fell for like they loved this idea and really really
tagged onto it. To the fact that if you go
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and look at the different types of soups and brands
in the grocery stores, you will see these low calories,
low sodium. Low sodium is great, that is actually really great,
but all these low calorie things that they have marketed
for people who are on soup diets. But the cabbage
soup diet is probably one of the best known soup
diets in the US. And I can't lie I participated,
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but honestly, I just really love cabbage. I love cabbage.
My mom used to boil cabbage as a side dish,
and I loved that so much to the point that
I would eat it like soup. I would just add
tons of pepper and go to town. Yeah. So I
love cabbage and soup, so I would eat it with quinoa.
It was one of my favorite combos. But yeah, I
was always hungry afterwards and fairly gassy, like I was
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not feeling too good. So according to Wikipedia, the originations
may date back to the nineteen fifties and became super
popular in the nineties. Yeah, my partner actually talks about
how like he hates because I talked about making cabbage
soup or like during the winter time because I just
love it, and he was like ough. He would tell
me stories repeatedly every time I mentioned cabbage soup about
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his old babysitters who that's all she ate And he
hated it. He hated the smell of it, he hated
everything about it. I guess he really did not like
his babysitter. I don't know what. I don't know, Oh dear,
Maybe that's just like, why do you have to eat
this cause Lily maybe she was super gassy too, Who knows. Anyway.
Spoiler alert, it doesn't work. You may lose a bit
(38:11):
of weight, and unless you make this the only food
you eat for the entirety of your life, you will
quickly gain it.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Back the way generally with the diets. That's how it
goes exactly. Here's some information from Healthline dot com quote.
Unless you have a more sustainable diet to transition to,
you'll likely regain any weight you lose on the diet. Furthermore,
studies suggests that when you greatly restrict calorie intake or
lose a sustainable amount of weight quickly, there's a reduction
(38:39):
in your metabolic rate. This means that your body begins
to burn fewer calories per day than it did before.
As a result, after going off the diet, your lowered
metabolism may make it harder to maintain your weight loss. Additionally,
as soup diets like the Cabbage Soup Diet and Sacred
Heart diet are quite restrictive in the types and amounts
of foods allowed, there's a concern for new deficiencies. While
(39:02):
eating a restricted diet for just five to ten days
is unlikely to result in serious nutrient deficiencies, especially if
taking a multi vitamin, significantly reducing calorie intake can lead
to side effects such as dizziness, weakness, or fatigue.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Right, and unfortunately the diet has come back round, But
it's now called souping, and he's called souping. Who thinks
of these? Who does this? Who's doing this?
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Philly.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
This is a millennial trying to be on track against
So yeah, article after article for women's magazines have popped
up with the newest diet trend of souping. Now it's
not all bad again, eating soup is fantastic. The amount
of health benefits and nutritional values is pretty high. Veggies
for everyone, Yeah, everybody eat veggies. But as it continues
(39:51):
to be marketed and targeted to women as weight loss solutions,
we can see that the gender line of soup consumption
is more visible. So obviously we're making this a fad
for women that again, like all I saw was like
Glamor magazine has something in it, Women's Day magazine has
like what what is going on? It does? It makes
(40:11):
it feel like, okay, soup is for diets. Yeah, but
back to the souping. Apparently it is thought of more
as a cleanse rather than a consistent diet. So you
can do like the cabbage diet for two weeks as
a as a kickstarter, which by the way, there's no
actual benefits to that. That's not a thing scientifically, it's
not a thing. No, But adding soup to your meal
(40:34):
in order to feel more full and eating less and
helping to eat more fiber. So that's kind of the
new souping idea is to add it to meals, which
I feel like is just okay, moving on, that's kind
of hoole Like people talk about drinking a glass of water. Yeah,
you're gonna fel full, but you're gonna want Okay whatever.
Soup probably is better if you have a lot of
vegetables in it and it's delicious and you're like, yeah,
(40:54):
let me eat this. Maybe it does and then you
get also have your you know, fried chicken to the side.
I love brit chicken. Yeah. So the New York Post
recently wrote an article about this fat and here's what
they said. Souping, often seen as a method for clean
eating and weight lass, involves adhering to a diet consisting
exclusively of a vegetable soups for set duration, typically seven days.
(41:17):
Kelsey Costa, a nutrition consultant for diabetes strong ink toll Parade.
So this was like article in an article In essence,
souping is the soup version of a juice cleanse. So
she goes on to also say the same things that
we just said, They're not wonderful, be careful, don't do this.
If you're doing these things, be highly aware of what
you're putting into your body and realize if you're still hungry,
(41:38):
it's probably not effective. Just great. So they also advised,
like other professionals said, this is not a long term thing,
meaning yes, less than two weeks at a time. But
you know what, we do know that soups can be
really good for you. So in fact, in fact, we
know that when it comes to illnesses like coals or
(41:58):
just tummy aches had we always turn to some soup.
I do. I'm like, yeah, give me, give me some soup.
Apparently it was even prescribed as medication in the twelfth
century for respiratory tract issues. And guess what, it actually
can be beneficial for culls, according to doctors and researchers.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Here's some information from Pennmedicine dot org. Quote research by
Ken Albala, a food historian at the University of the
Pacific in California, published research in the journal Studies in
History and Philosophy of Science Part C Studies in History
and Philosophy of Biological and Biomedical Sciences suggest that eating
soup while you are ill comes from common knowledge and
(42:38):
an informal intuition. Albala says soup is often the go
to food because it can be quote nourishing, restorative, easy
to digest, and interestingly liked in both consistency and color,
so as not to tax the system excessively. The same
recommendation is advised by Melissa Bailey RD, a clinical dietitian
at the Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania. Bailey believes
(43:02):
there is no one size fits all approach to diet.
It says that there is real scientific evidence backing the
merits of soup, especially for those with a cold.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Right, So this is the article that I'm talking about
in which they kind of go into the comforting level,
like it actually does change your mood, It does actually
help you feel a little better. It kind of that
warmth that goes down your throat, does ease your sore throats,
stuff like that. So they're definitely like great truths behind
why soups can be really good for you and amazing
(43:35):
and perhaps the soup being too nutritious or being associated
with sickness and pampering makes it a girly food as well,
like again that whole like Mom gave me soup as
a child, When I was sick or when I felt weak,
my partner gave me soup. Maybe that's what makes it feminine,
Like you know, it's kind of that whole reach the
(43:57):
unconscious bias for some reason that you associated with weakness,
so therefore it has to be feminine. I don't know.
Maybe I'm reaching for that, but I don't know if
this correlations have anything to do with it. Yes, you
can only eat soup if you're sick, dieting, or you're
a girl. The one article was titled these foods will
make You gay, and they were talking about soup, and
(44:19):
that's an article about water, saying you know you're not
manly if you eat soup. So his implication was like that,
you know you're gay if you eat soup. Obviously, unless
there's stews or chilies any only chilies. But all that
to say, I think soups are delicious. I'll come back
(44:39):
to let you know if I think chilies are soups
or stews. I haven't really thought about this. I will
ponder this. I think they are creative and wonderfully diverse.
I want some right now. I'm kidding kind of hungry,
So there you go. Let me know, do you think
soup is feminine?
Speaker 2 (45:01):
Better?
Speaker 1 (45:01):
Yet?
Speaker 2 (45:02):
Do you have souper recipes?
Speaker 3 (45:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (45:04):
I love good recipe, easy easy, peace y'all. But we
didn't talk about the history of soup because we're not safer.
But they did talk about the whole like popcn and
how that really revolutionized soups as well, So maybe it
being easy. I think this conversation about like h the
dude talking about how his wife made soup, I didn't
(45:27):
read whether it was homemade soup or she just popped
the can, and that's why he's implying that, you know,
this is cheating and it's not a full meal because
it's not homemade quote unquote.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
That well, there's also like separately, I think a lot
of people in the US associate soups with an appetizer,
therefore it's not a whole meal. But I think you
couldn't have it for the whole meal. But also the
history of soup making often required in the early early
days women to stay by the fire or whatever heat
source so it wouldn't go out. So I think it
(46:02):
probably got associated with women that way, and then men
and whiches and then men. There's a long history of
men in the West, particularly, I'll say of they are
the ones that bring home the meat. They're the domain
of meat. So if soup doesn't have like meat in it,
(46:24):
then not not mainly. No, Well there's a lot to
un back here, clearly, clearly, So listeners, if you have
any thoughts or recipes, please let us know. We eat
soup all the time. We're year round people, so yeah, yeah,
so send those our away. You can emails this steputy
(46:45):
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