November 11, 2025 • 69 mins
It seems the nearly 8 billion people living on Earth can't seem to agree on anything, much less cooperate to achieve a goal. But what if there was some way to unite them, to push the millions of different communities on the planet toward working together? One of the proposed answers is something called 'Project Blue Beam' -- the idea that, if you can't find a messiah, you can use technology to make one.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, folks, friends and neighbors, fellow conspiracy realist, the time
has come. You've heard us mention this concept often because
we've been obsessed with it for years. In these divisive
times of recent modern history. What could unite the eight
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plus billion people living on Earth, species that famously can't
agree on anything up to an including condiments for different
hot dogs. What on Earth or off Earth could unite
this disparate ragtag group of what we call humans.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
There are two things, and we're going to talk about
them in this episode. Hell yeah, there are two things,
and we're gonna talk about so much stuff, guys. But
water projections, vapor projections are such a real thing now,
even after five years of recording this episode in twenty twenty,
it feels like it could absolutely happen.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Though, what can we also say?
Speaker 4 (01:04):
I mean, this was something that came up in our
Q and A for the live show that we did
on the Virgin Voyage It's True Crime Expedition, whatever you
want to call it. This is something that is very
much still on people's minds and relevant today.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
M Yeah, So travel with us, folks, back to twenty
twenty before the only thing we're really missing from This
explanation is the phenomenal and terrifying breakthroughs in mass drone
swarm technology. This is our question, what is Project Bluebeam
dream big with us? After a word from our.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
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Speaker 2 (02:04):
Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt nol
Is on an adventure today, but we'll be returning soon.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
They call me Ben.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
We are joined as always with our super producer Paul Michig.
Control decands most importantly, you are you, You are here,
and that makes this stuff they don't want you to know.
As you know, we record these episodes in advance. They
publish anywhere from what would you say, Matt, a week
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to maybe two weeks later?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yeah, I would say maximum two weeks. We can't really
get that far ahead.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Yeah, that's the most we've ever had it together. Actually,
that's literally the most, and I think that was one time.
Today's episode is a classic episode. I would call it
something that we've known about for years. We've somehow never
done a podcast on but we are like the rest
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of the world. We are living in a time where
history is being written. We are recording this on June one,
twenty twenty. We are based, as we say all the time,
in Atlanta, Georgia, and as we record this, the nation
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is a wash in protests against ongoing police brutality.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yes it is, and our city is certainly seeing a
lot of the protests and it's all in reaction to
the killing of a man named George Floyd. And we're
going to talk about that at a later date, but
today we'd like to just have maybe a moment of
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reflection within this podcast and then we'll start the show. Okay,
So switching gears here, we got another voice message, and
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I say another because this person calls in all the time.
His name is Wayne. Wayne, you know who you are.
You've seen the title of this episode, so I'm sure
you are quite excited, as are Ben and I and Paul.
Today we are covering something that we've talked about before,
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as been mentioned at the top here. But it's something
near and dear to your heart, Wayne, and it's something
that I have cited several times as my favorite conspiracy.
I believe Ben and today we are asking the question
what is Project bluebem?
Speaker 1 (04:55):
So here are the facts. Let's start this way a
bit differently. I was thinking about this the best way
to start it. It's odd to get into. We're going
to start with the actual conspiracy theory at hand when
we ask what is Project Bluebeam?
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I'd like to give you.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
The origin story first. Most people know about Project Bluebeam
because back in nineteen ninety four, a Chebaquah author named
Serge manast went you know, achieved to some notoriety and
some public attention in fringe circles with claims that NASA, Yes,
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that NASA either plans to or already has begun implementing
a new Age religion with the Antichrist or some version
thereof as its leader, in hopes of starting a new
world order through the use of high end communications technology.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yes, and it's not just NASA, by the way, the
North American Space Agency, It's also the United Nations. So
everybody was gonna get involved with this whole thing, at
least according to this conspiracy, and the basic idea is
pretty much the scenario that played out in Watchmen. If
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you've ever read the comic or watched the movie that
came out back in the day, or the scenario that
was alluded to very much so in the new HBO
series of The Watchmen, where oh that's my son, where
the only thing that could really bring all of humanity
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together is some kind of outside invading force of a
power more powerful than the biggest nuclear weapon that's ever existed, Right,
some kind of large scale global event that threatened all
of humanity, so we would all ban together.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
And there's an interesting point in chronology I want to
propose here. First, let me step back and say, you're right, Math,
that's a good point. It wasn't just the United Nations.
It's not just NASA. It's also the Freemasons. It's also
you know, what's vaguely referred to as the Illuminati. At times,
multiple mad libs of organizations come into play or under
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accusation here. But Watchman the comic was created by a
fantastic writer, notoriously cantankerous human being named Alan Moore. It
first appeared in nineteen eighty five, So keep that time
in your mind, keep it at the front of your head.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
So we'll give you a spoiler alert.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Because of the age of Watchmen, we're going to count
this down. Spoilers, you know, turn back now or have
Watchmen spoiled for you? Three to one spoilers and Watchmen,
one of the characters attempts to create create this global
unification you mentioned Matt by genetically engineering a gigantic squid
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like thing that also has psychic powers, and it creates
a tremendous tragedy.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Millions of people die. It's it's it's very bad. In short.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
In Project Bluebeam again, according to Serge Manask, all the
world's governments conspire to create the Messiah that they wish
to see in the world, and to create.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
It not as a.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
It's difficult to say what Manasse conclusively believed toward the end,
but at times he it described it as simply a
means of secular control by taking advantage of people's credulous nature,
but then in other other times is very explicitly saying
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this is actual supernatural stuff. We'll get into the specifics
a bit, but for the timeline, it's interesting because in
a lot of conspiratorial claims, we see that their achilles
heel can be timeline right, like the end of the
world millenary and cults and so on. They always seem
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to have some challenges when they say the end of
the world will be in eighteen fifty eight. Wait, scratch that,
I misread the you know, Holy tiles, it'll be nineteen seventeen,
but definitely nineteen seventeen. Manasta has explained that by saying
that the world's government's true masters, you know insert down here,
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whoever you think they might be, wanted to do this
in nineteen eighty three, two years before Watchmen publishes, but
they weren't able to do it for one reason or another,
call it technical difficulties. And then later in his nineteen
ninety four comments he said it would happen in nineteen
ninety five, he said, what happened in nineteen ninety six.
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That's the same year that a widely mistranslated Nostradamis quote
also was said to foretell the end of the world.
Around the time of his death in nineteen ninety six,
Manaske claimed that Project Blue Beam would occur in two thousand.
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It's twenty twenty now, a horrible year. But as far
as we know, the mainstream of the world has not
said Manast was right, has not said Project Blue Beam
has occurred, but we'll see that not everybody on the
fringes agrees.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
And again we are going to get into the specifics
of what Serge Manask believed was going to happen or
was supposed to happen, and all of those times, you
know where the date kind of kept getting pushed back
and pushed back. But let's jump backwards to nineteen forty five,
to the year that Serge Manast was born. That's just
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that's just the time he was born. We're not actually
going to spend a lot of hanging around in nineteen
forty five. We kind of remember World War Two and
it ending and everything. And then moving on up to
the nineteen seventies and nineteen eighties, Surge or mister Manast,
he was a journalist. I mean, he was pretty legit.
He was at times pretty controversial, but he was a
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member of the Social Credit Party back in those times.
Again we said he was from Quebec, Canada. That's where
he spent a lot of his life. And then in
the nineteen nineties he started shifting his focus away from
you know, journalism with the capital J and started writing
books and books about his beliefs, books about conspiracies, essentially
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the New World Order was one of the main topics
that he focused on, and he talks about his inspirations
being one person, specifically William guy Carr. That's C. A. R. R.
Who was also a Canadian.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Right, William James guy Carr.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
He's a former Navy officer, author, noted conspiracy theorist.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
He is.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
He's kind of a lynchpin in the folklore of North
American based illuminati thought. And he is also I should
note he is also definitely an anti semi. I would
not consider him necessarily I'm saying this very carefully. I
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would not consider him necessarily a rational source. But that
is someone that thematically we seem an ass drawing a
lot of a lot of tropes from so when as
founded the International Free Press Agency, and that's that would
come to be where he published the.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Bulk of his work in this field.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
He had an interview on the on a television show
hosted by ufologist Richard Glynn. It may be familiar to
some people. I want to apologize in advance for my
butchering of the fine French language. Here Esoteri's experimental esoteric
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experiments in there. He is quite emphatic warning people about
the rise of a one world government, and in nineteen
ninety five he publishes what is largely considered to be
his you know, his mag mopis.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
It's called the protocol Mmm. This is me trying to
do French again, the Protocols of Toronto six. And inside
this work he reveals that the Masons, there's a very
specific group of them called six sixty six, and these people,
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for twenty years have been getting together with all the
movers and shakers of the world, the most powerful people,
to establish essentially the Illuminati or you know, in this case,
it's referred to as the New World Order, and it's
their entire goal is to control the minds of humanity,
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of all the people, mass mind control essentially. And for
someone who truly believes this, that you know, there's some
group out there that's secretly trying to put everyone under
some kind of spell or mind control, you can imagine
that there's there's a feeling of, you know, of fear
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that maybe these people know that you know, and you're
talking about it publicly, so you know, whether it was
true or not. Manass believed and he claimed that he
was being hunted by police by other authorities for distributing
this kind of stuff. What he called for his involvement
in quote, networks of prohibited information, right, the stuff they
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don't want you to know. You can imagine that he
probably felt that, whether it's true or not.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Yeah, And that is a quote from him, networks of
prohibited information. That's something else. That that's something else you
should keep in the front of your mind as we
continue here. Think of this part as the you know,
the roller coaster slowly.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Up the hill.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
So he homeschooled his children, his son and his daughter,
and then eventually, in September of nineteen ninety six, the
year of his death, they were removed from his care
and made wards of the state, the idea being that
they had a right to receive education. Manasked himself was
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arrested just a few months later, December of nineteen ninety six.
He spent the night incarcerated, he was released, he returned
to his home, and he passed away. And the official
cause is listed as a heart attack, and today that
official conclusion remains that the death of surgemon Est came
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as a result of a combination of poor health and stress.
But his supporters will argue that he was assassinated through
the use of high tech intelligence agency or world order
connected weapons, and that his death was either framed as
a heart attack or that the heart attack itself was
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caused by some sort of suppressed technology, all with the
ultimate end of silencing his voice and preventing him from
disseminating all or part of the truth of this grand scheme.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
I would say, there's a tough thing to deal with
right here, and it's the concept that there could be
a strategy. Let's say, if you're an organized group of people,
whether an intelligence agency or not, and you wanted to
discredit somebody, one way to do that is to attack
the home structure. That would be a smart play at least.
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And another thing to do is to make it look
like someone dies of natural causes if you want to
remove them. So, as we're saying, the rumors float around
on the internet about all kinds of things with regards
to mister Manass's home life and his death, and really,
I mean, that's a ton of background right there. But
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what we want to do now is take a deep
dive into that which is Project Bluebeam. What was it,
how did it work or how was it supposed to work?
And why do some people think it's already happened or
is about to happen. And we'll talk about that right
after a word from our sponsor.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Here's where it gets crazy. So there's a plan, right,
there's always a plan. Let's walk through what Serge Manas outlines.
He breaks it down into a series of phases or steps.
And interestingly enough, you know, I think we've both spent
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a lot of time thinking about timeline here. Interestingly enough,
these steps are not necessarily delineated with you know, concrete
phases of time, like step one is not necessarily three years,
ten years, two months, or anything like that. So the
first is to discredit and or demolish the majority of
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what we would consider religious based archaeological knowledge. This would
be accomplished again, this is this one person's argument. This
would be accomplished by faking, manufacturing, or faking earthquakes at
targeted points around the world. And then those earthquakes would
destroy some things, but they would more importantly appear to
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reveal things faked discoveries at these locations. And that's monos
phrase there. He says, they would be faked, fake discoveries
at these locations that would fundamentally disprove existing religious doctrine.
We've heard about this stuff before, you know, about maybe
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the early days of the Catholic Church, various documents or
records being found that were considered heretical to the orthodoxy
that was agreed upon at Nice or at the Council
of Verms. So we know that we know that, especially
older religions, find things that don't jibe with what they
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want the truth to be all the time. This is
Surgeon monast Is just saying here, this would be weaponized.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Yeah, and there's a lot of imagery that's been associated
with this concept that Manasse puts forward in Project Bluebeam.
You know, everything from kind of been what you're describing,
like finding numerous dead sea scrolls in various parts of
the world that disprove the existing doctrines of Islam and
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Christianity and Catholicism and all these things. There's another version
of it that's a little more sci fi that's like
a two thousand and one Space Odyssey thing, where you know,
a cube of some sort or a rectangle or a
pylon or something as discovered that appears to you know,
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state somehow represent truths that go back beyond the established
religious doctrines. It's just really interesting there, and it no
matter what version of it you choose to go with
for this, for this, for this instance, let's go with
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just the numerous Dead Sea scrolls version. The goal here,
at least in manassview, is to discredit all of the
existing religions so that we can create a new one, right,
and this would be a way to do that. You'd
want to get rid of the old before bringing in
the new, or at least get people to doubt just
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enough in their current belief system so that they'd be
ready or more easily swayed to pick up a new one.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Yeah, you know, I propose that as we go through
this we talk about some of the arguments for and
against this plan, just trying to be fair, so first
not to be you know, negative Nathan about this or whatever.
But first, innumerable examples throughout the span of human history
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show that people are a not easily swayed in matters
of faith. Changing your faith is such a big deal,
in fact, that many religious figures are primarily famous for
making that switch. Second, we know that people, even with
relatively mundane opinions, people tend to dig in and double
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down when they're presented with something that feels like an
attack or a contradiction of something we already believe. It
could be anything from like which store has the best
cheese steak in Philadelphia? To which is the one true God?
Like people do not like changing our minds.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
We're wired not to do that.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
And second, even if you could get some people to
change their opinion or their belief about something so very
profound and personal, it would be virtually impossible to make
every single member of any large religious movement abandoned their faith.
That is something that has literally never happened in the
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history of the world.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
You know what's something that has happened. Humans have caused earthquakes.
You know, Nikola Teslo tried it. He wanted it to
be real. Whether or not he was fully successful, we'll
never know. But we do know that man made earthquakes
do happen, So you know that part of the theory
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here could stand up. The problem is the only, at
least you know, in acknowledged or proven versions of man
made earthquakes, we've only really seen it kind of happen
as an accident or as a as a side effect
of something else.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Right, Yeah, Like the most easily proven cases of manufactured
earthquakes in the past, I would say past several years
at least, have all been the unforeseen consequences of fracking.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Uh, you know, the if you want, if you wanted
to target a specific earthquake, officially, the technology to do
that doesn't exist. What suppressed technology is a whole other,
a whole other badger in the bag here.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Well, and the other thing is you'd have to have
an earthquake occur that's so targeted to then have something open,
you know, be revealed let's say whatever is going to
be and then it have to be discovered too, So
you'd have to do it in you know, a somewhat
populated area to reveal this seing. There's just there are
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a lot of issues with that concept of an earthquake
then disprove religion with some artifact.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
It's not the most straightforward plan, I'll admit, but you're right.
So that is one big takeaway. Human beings are proven
to be capable of creating earthquakes, just maybe not to
this degree of sophistication. But second, and I'll defer to
you here, Matt, because I think this is maybe.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Your favorite part.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Favorite's a weird term, but this is the part where
almost ten years ago now you and I spent a
couple hours just like just shooting the breeze about this
one the first time I learned about it. And that
is what has been called by Manass supporters as well
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as his critics, step two or phase two of Project
Bluebeam the space show.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah, this is the real show. This is the big deal.
This is the turning point in the plot. This is
the thing that makes everybody go, oh no. The concept
here is that holographic technology, some kind of holograms, three
dimensional images would be projected across the planet, not just
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in one you know city center, not just in New
York or you know, Dubai. It would be everywhere, and
these images would represent whatever the let's say, the primary
religious figure is in a region. That's what shape this projection,
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this hologram would take, and they would there would be
audio associated with it. So from somewhere either projected from
a satellite that's generally where man Ask believed it would
come from space based satellites with laser technology that's shy
down essentially onto cloud cover, or just into the moisture
in the air where the audio coming through would be
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speaking in every language depending on the region, depending on
the dialect. It would be an all encompassing thing, and
they would essentially say, you know, the same kind of
things that were being set up in Phase one, which
is the old way of thinking, is done. And then
all of these various you know, prophets, God's sons of gods,
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whatever it is that's being worshiped in that region, it
would merge down into one being, essentially one God, and
this image that would be created then across the world,
the same image would be the Antichrist, essentially the one
symbol that would herald in the new world orders Plans.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Mhm.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
That's correct, and it's important to note that the Antichrist
here the term is what Surge is using surgemon asks.
But the Antichrist that will appear to these people and
this theory is not an antagonistic force. It's a force
of illumination and salvation.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
And this is interesting.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
So let's go back through pros and cons right, Sokun.
There's a big assumption here. We have to remember that
this is being proposed, This is being sort of like
ideated and then proposed in the nineties, but now in
twenty twenty, secularism is on the rise. Also, you know,
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would this thing alone, this physical light show alone, be
enough to persuade someone that this is actually their God
instead of some sort of mental issue of their own,
some sort of even whether or not or hallucination. There
are other things like what about religious figures that cannot
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have their form expressed.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
You know what I mean? Like one of the great
one of the.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Great examples of that is if Project Bluebeam was attempting
to sway Muslim communities, you know, what, are you going
to project the face of Allah? Like do you think
that's gonna work? Because that's pretty explicitly not something that
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any holy force would do in that belief system. But
you'll also see people I think we should stop hearing
mat we should say. You'll also see people claiming that
there have been various tests or demonstrations of this technology already,
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like anything that involves light or a lot of stuff
that you just see in the sky that appears anomalous,
or even real world events.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Oh sure, yeah. You'll find things online that state that
the attacks of September eleventh, two thousand and one were
either a the Project bluebeam in action or a test
run of projection technology. And while you know, we don't
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necessarily believe this, the concept here is that September eleven,
two thousand and one was one of those events that
really did change the course of history and change, you know,
the way the United States and other countries viewed a
lot of other countries, and it just it had a
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large effect. And you'll see online people saying that the
planes going into the two towers were actually projections. You
can find that all over the internet. You know, there
are several other examples, but that's the one that I've
probably seen most commonly. There are others that state that
known missile tests that have been seen that were originally
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reported on as UFO sightings. You may remember the spiral,
I forget the exact name of it, but like the
portal that happened to be a couple stages of a
rocket and the way it looked in the air, that
was reportedly some kind of blue beam test, at least
again according to online forums and several researchers. I have
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personally not seen anything that I would consider a full
scale project blue beam test. But again, the whole point
of it, if it were real, is that we probably
couldn't discern whether or not it was a hologram, right, right.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
And this leads to this leads to the rise of
deep fakes as well, because the interesting thing about localized
ofs that are then shared online, either in video or
still photography, is that people aren't seeing it in person.
You're seeing a visual clip that purports to portray something
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in an accurate manner, and you know, you just can't
trust it.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
I wish I had a better answer. You can't trust it.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
So if anything, people are becoming a little bit more
skeptical about this stuff. So it's it's kind of an
argument against this.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
But yeah, you're you're absolutely.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Right the idea that this is all kind of a
test run. But manasked to his credit, I would say
says that there is a way that people will be
reliably influenced by this appearance. It won't just be like
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the Stone Mountain laser show, which is so famous here
in Atlanta, Georgia, and there are you know, there are
other examples aside from UFOs there. They're like specific, concrete,
pretty secular examples. I know, you know one, Matt, and
I've got one that actually is true, but it was
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drawing board fase.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Well, yeah, wasn't there a plan? And Ben, you'll have
to forgive me, I'm pulling this from when we did
our video way back in the day. But wasn't there
a plan to possibly project Allah or the prophet Mohammed
over Baghdad for military purposes?
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Yes, yep, that's correct. It was drawing board phase. But
there was another plan as well, from Uncle Sam.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Maybe it was.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Lansdale said, hey, you guys, what if we fake the
second Coming of Jesus Christ over Cuba?
Speaker 3 (33:51):
And they're like, why would we do that?
Speaker 1 (33:52):
And it's like, well, you know, to overthrow Castro.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Right.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
You could tell that probably came pretty late in their
brainstorming session that day. They had gone through the heart
attack gun, which will be important later. They had gone
through the exploding cigars, weaponizing animals.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
But but you know, we're talking eighties, nineties of seventies
in some cases, but it's probably closer to the eighties
and nineties when these things were being discussed.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Everybody's on cocaine, you know what I mean. They were
probably seamlessly transitioning to talking about how great their synth
albums were going to be.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Yeah, but yes, but it's also you know, there were
military minds thinking about this back then, and you know,
as we're going to talk a little later in this episode,
the tech has only improved.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Right, That's correct, So there is there is an explanation,
though Manass does say that their manask does seem to
acknowledge that just seeing something wouldn't be enough to swing
the needle of people's minds, and that's where you poses
the existence of psychotronic technology, which we've covered in the past.
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Psychotronic technology is essentially a Russian Soviet originated phrase describing
the use of technology to amplify psychic powers. Think of
like menusteric goats would be a popular fictional thing. So
the idea was they would use certain types of technology
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to give people esp or to give people the ability
to reach into the minds of others in manesque world.
Project Bluebeam depends upon a Soviet built computer that would
be fed with quote minute physiopsychological particulars based on studies
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of anatomy and electro mechanical composition of the human body
and the studies of the electrical, chemical, and biological properties
of the human brain, and then that every I think
every single human being on the planet Earth would have
a specific radio wavelength, that this computerized system would intimately
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know this biometric data of yours, and that it would
use that to affect your reaction. That these computers had
also furthermore, cut their teeth, cut their mechanical algorithmic teeth
on inducing suicide.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
It is true.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
We know that in our previous research certain frequencies can
affect people in astonishing and deeply disturbing ways.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
But for the record, we still have.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Not proven the existence of the brown note, which I
know is a question a lot of our fellow listeners
had as soon as we mentioned that. But okay, so
there we go. That's the thing they're saying. We're gonna
show this huge thing in the sky that will merge
and become your new God, and then we're going to
make sure that you are through the use of technology.
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We're going to make sure that you are in a
suggestible enough state that you believe it, that you experience
a revelation, kind of like the god helmet, which gives
one the sensation of encountering the divine. But it's weird
because if it's NASA doing this, as it's commonly proposed
in his theories, why would they work with why would
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they work with the Soviets? Especially when the USSR at
the time, as far as we know, was pretty far
behind NASA. In a lot of ways, it's like saying, hey,
I'm I'm Sony or a Microsoft, and I've got this
great plan, but to do it, I need twelve hundred ataris.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Yeah, or you know, yeah, I was just going to say,
working directly with Chinese technology that's competing, Yeah, I can
just imagine it. It wouldn't it wouldn't work that way,
but we should we should mention here. By the way,
it doesn't stop there.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
You know.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
You may think, oh, wait, they're gonna use psychotronics. You say,
I remember that episode, I remember that concept. Okay, that's
we're just like we're spiraling down a conspiracy rabbit hole here.
It feels like, well, we kind of are in a way,
but it's just getting a little more complicated because there's
a sub phase, a step two, like two point two,
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let's say, and in this concept or in this phase,
the holograms are going to be used to overthrow the
world order by here's a quote, setting loose millions of
programmed religious fanatics through demonic possession on a scale never
witnessed before, never witnessed before. It's an interesting phrase to
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add in there.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
Yeah, I like I like.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
That framing, you know, because it's sort of anticipates people
in the audience will say, well, I've seen you know,
I've seen like three or four people possessed by demons.
That's that's that's a Tuesday or in Boise, Idaho or something.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
And you know what, all of those demonic possessed religious
fanatics are going to be hearing and the rest of
us will be hearing as they're running through the streets. Oh,
we can't play the rest, but you know what that is.
You've heard that before, that's in your head already.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
What is that?
Speaker 1 (39:35):
That is Beethoven's Ode to Joy, the number one most
popular debut song for Antichrist as far as we know,
we did the research, so you know, obviously now we've
got we've got an important point that's introduced here. This
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has gone from the appearance of the supernatural or the
divine in order to manipulate people to the existence of
the supernatural. And it's a quick shift. It happens, you know,
the way that a coin trick happens with a magician.
You're supposed to be looking at a lot of sound
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and fury from one side, and then all of a sudden,
monas hits you with boom. Demons are real, the devil
is real, the you know, the infernal powers, or after
you and your loved ones. I see that as a
plot hole because it's not introduced earlier. It's it's a twist,
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and I know there are several plot holes here. But
like you said, Matt, we do have examples of We
do have examples of intelligence agencies attempting to mess with
people's minds in similar ways in the past. Officially, those
results are not near on this level because you know,
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one of the biggest plot holds to me about this
is the idea that it affects every single human being
on earth at once. That there are very few things,
very few things, including pandemics, including nuclear weapons, that affect
every single human being on earth at once.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
That is true. And I would say that if you
could effectively convince enough people, not all people, but enough
people that this kind of event is occurring, where perhaps
the rapture is happening, or perhaps the you know, the
religious figure that you worship every day has come back.
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But that religious figure is, for some reason, not what
you thought it was, and therefore your religion and entire
basis of belief is not what you thought it was.
I can imagine that it could cause at least chaos
on some level, and you know, pretty widespread chaos if
you could pull that off.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
I see.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Yes, you don't have to convince everyone. You just have
to convince a significant almost and market position. But that's
how it feels. You have to just say, swing a
significant demographic.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
Well, here's the thing, though.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
When these people see this god in the sky, they're
gonna hear ode to joy. But that's not all they're
going to hear. They're going to hear something else. Manasse proposes.
We'll get to that after a word from our sponsor.
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We're in the thick of it, conspiracy realists. We're on
the third step of Project Bluebeam, the third phase, which
would be what Manast calls telepathic electronic two way communication.
This would be through the use of extremely low frequency
radio waves, the conveyance of a message into people's minds
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such that this thing they're seeing in the sky appears
to be directly speaking to them in their language and
saying the same message, you know, and in any language
in the world, all the way from the biggest ones
like Mandarin to you know, very small dialects of isolated tribes.
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As you can imagine, that doesn't really hold up when
you get to those smaller dialects, some of which are dying,
some of which don't have any any speakers who can
really translate other than the like three two hundred and
fifty in some cases ten people who know them. So
that's a plot hole and manesse explanation doesn't. It doesn't
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really bear up to what we know about the technology now,
and his even if we relegate it to the realm
of speculation, his explanation of how this would work still
leaves a lot to be desired.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
Maybe that's just my opinion.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
Yeah, I think it does. Conceptually, the way I understand it,
it's that there would be small hidden microchips in a
lot of the electronics that exist in everyday life within
you know, like a city situation or a suburban situation
where there's a lot of tech around. The concept is
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that all those things are numerous, you know, numerous technologies
are going to be in some way communing, communicating to
you through these essentially low frequency waves.
Speaker 4 (44:51):
You know.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
Maybe another thing that kind of connects back to this
one is the concept that the computer is going to
know everything about you, right, That's one of his major
one of man asked major things is that the government
is keeping track of everything you're doing, or some corporate
entity or entities are keeping track of all your information.
It's being stored and tracked, and then it will be
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used to control you by talking to you in familiar
or about familiar things within your life. Maybe in nineteen
ninety four that's a pretty hard stretch, but if you're
in twenty twenty, the concept that a small handful of
corporations knows a lot about your life, very specific details
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about your life, that's not much of a stretch at all.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
I think that's an excellent point, absolutely. I mean that
part's one of the things as the highest likelihood of
being true, honestly, for people who live, especially in very
technologically dense parts of the world, you know, or who
have authoritarian governments, don't don't let the big don't let
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big brother be out.
Speaker 5 (46:04):
Of the game.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
It's not just target that's targeting you. I could have
phrased that better, but you get you know, I could
have you get the drift. So there we go. Now
we're at step four. Step four is the penultimate or
second to ultimate part. Step four is more like four
A four B four C. Manasa says. The next part
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is to say is to have this divine thing essentially
warn people that these revelations are occurring because there is
an outside enemy attacking humanity entire. An alien invasion is
going to occur at every major city concurrently somehow at
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the same time, uh those who still cling to Christianity,
which he specifically mentions Christianity at this point, He says,
those who still cling to Christianity are going to be
made to believe that the apture is about to occur,
and then a marriage of electronic and supernatural read infernal
(47:10):
forces will will occur such that these supernatural forces demons,
you know, creatures of ill intent, will be able to
travel through fiber optics, travel through I don't know at
this stage, like HDMI cables, Wi Fi routers, telephone lines.
(47:30):
Bluetooth is another one. Yeah, to penetrate all the electronic equipment,
all the appliances, even unto your smart refrigerator and your fitbit,
and that by then they will all have a special
microchip installed allowing this to happen again. If we bracket
the supernatural aspects of this. We know that for a
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very long time, without the public's knowledge, various tech companies
were attempting to build dedicated chips or software based backdoors
into their technology. That's one of the reasons why Chinese
manufacturer Hue is having so much is taking so much
international flak because they do at backdoors that the Chinese
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government can use. The thing is, they're not using those
to spread demonic messages. They're using those for industrial and
state level espionage, right. And you know it's foolish if
you think the US and other countries aren't pressuring their
own private entities to do the same thing. That's just
that's day one stuff, buddy. That's how you run the world.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
That's right, Ben. I have to tell you just to
jump away just slightly. We're talking about, you know, using
all of the tech within our own homes against us,
right or wherever we are using the tech against us
in some way. Just in the research of this, as
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I was looking back through things and trying to find
examples specifically of holographic technology I found. I just stumbled
upon this thing and it really freaked me out. I'm
just going to tell you about it really fast, just
because I want you to imagine this as you're listening everybody.
There's an article within Business Insider from twenty seventeen, from
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May thirtieth, so roughly three years ago. It's about research
into using a somebody's Wi Fi signal, anybody's Wi Fi
signal within a structure, and then an exterior antenna somewhere
on the outside of the structure, and using this antenna
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to pick up the Wi Fi signal and scan the
interior of a building to where you could literally see
major objects or people that are within that building. And
I just want to say, when we're when I'm thinking
about mister Manas's vision of all of these things, all
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of these technologies fighting back against us, I just didn't
think I would have this picture in my mind of
my Wi Fi signal that I know is at all
times sending out you know, energy in wavelength form, throughout
my house, through me, through you know, my family's body
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and everything, and it could be if you had the
right equipment, it could just be read like any other
signal and interpreted as it bounces off of things. Sorry,
I know that has really nothing to do with this.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
It's just.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
I I would have never thought to use it in
that way. There are people that are paid lots and
lots of money to think of ways to use the
signals that are being generated, you know, on a consumer
level basis, in ways that were not intended for them
to be used for the benefit a lot of times
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for military or intelligence purposes.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
Oh yeah, yeah, one hundred percent agree. You know, it's
kind of like the way you can use laser too.
You can aim a laser at a window, Paine, and
from the vibrations of the window, pain you can tell
what people are talking about inside, right.
Speaker 4 (51:27):
You can.
Speaker 2 (51:27):
Yeah, you can generate audio essentially.
Speaker 1 (51:29):
You can generate audio. Yeah, I mean all things are energy.
It's arguably at a certain level, it's just a matter
of translation of that energy from one form of expression
to another.
Speaker 3 (51:40):
Which is.
Speaker 1 (51:43):
Sounds smart enough that I'm sure someone else set that
better end earlier, But.
Speaker 3 (51:47):
I agree with it.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
This is where we Okay, so this is where we
get to the new world order. These described new world
order is a lot like saying chair, or cancer or candy.
You know, it's an umbrella term that describes a lot
of things, and sometimes people agree when they throw around
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this nWo term until they find out the specifics of
what they're talking about. So it's important to note Monast
is not just talking about a secular one world order
here or one world government. He's not talking about the
kind of globalist problem you might hear folks argue about
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a warrant against an other conspiratorial viewpoints. He's saying that
all people will be required to take an oath to
Lucifer to the Devil Lucifer morning Star, and undergo a
ritual initiation to become members of the New World Order.
Anyone who resists will encounter the following. Christian children, he says,
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will be kept for the purposes of human sacrifice, or
they will be or they will be abused. Prisoners will
be used in medical experiments. That's already happening.
Speaker 3 (53:02):
Check.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
Prisoners will be used as living Oregon banks. I know
I probably shouldn't be as explicit about this, but that's
already happening. Check at least in some countries. Healthy workers
used in slave labor. That's already happening, that's been happening
check and said that prisoners who seem like they're on
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the line, who say like, well, you know, Lucifer seems cool,
but I'm only like ninety two percent on board, they'll
be sent to re education centers where they will be
have to repent on television and glorify the New World Order.
Then there will be an international execution center.
Speaker 3 (53:41):
And then he alludes to.
Speaker 1 (53:43):
A classification of other people. But he never got into
it before, or there hasn't been any published matter on
it before that. He himself wrote, so you can see
all the problems here.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
Well, yeah, there are a lot of problems there, and
it reads a lot like visions of revelations from the
Bible or visions of an apocalypse right where this ritual
to worship Lucifer in this case, as he's described, it
could be that whole six sixty sixth thing that he's
already talked about with the Mason group that he's discussed,
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the possible that that insignia would have to be placed
on the human body in some way, just that complete
and utter worship of this one person or deity or
whatever it ends up being in this you know, in
this scenario, it sounds just an awful lot like the
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apocalypse that's been described elsewhere. But yeah, yeah, the problems
are rampant here, I think.
Speaker 1 (54:47):
Yeah, yeah, the problems are rampant. And on one thing that,
of course you have to ask yourself about is where
does this all come from?
Speaker 3 (54:56):
Right?
Speaker 1 (54:57):
Where's the provenance of manass ideas?
Speaker 3 (55:02):
Because they seem very out there.
Speaker 1 (55:04):
These are extraordinary claims, and extraordinary claims typically require a
higher level of a higher burden of proof. Gotta have
more evidence, right, But there's very little in the way
of solid sources. In fact, Manass's original book that he
published with this in France, it's very difficult to get
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a copy of it now. It's almost actually it's kind
of impossible. You might see a couple on eBay or
maybe Amazon or something uninflated price. But I would also
be very very cautious. I would be I would assume
that those aren't the actual books. I would assume they
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might be scams or maybe something being sold under false pretenses.
Speaker 3 (55:52):
Anyway, it's hard.
Speaker 1 (55:54):
To get a lot of the sources here, but we
have found some interesting things about where his ideas may
have come from. We don't know, if you read The Watchman,
you know what I mean, and later encountered that in
his own thoughts. As far as we can tell, he
never explicitly said, you know, I got this idea from
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some cool fiction I read.
Speaker 3 (56:17):
But we also know.
Speaker 1 (56:20):
That right before he gave his famous lecture on Project Bluebeam,
Gene Roddenberry entered the chat in a weird way.
Speaker 2 (56:30):
Yeah, there was a book that was written by Joel Engel.
It's about Gene Roddenberry. It's called Gene Roddenberry, The Myth
and the Man behind Star Trek. It came out in
nineteen ninety four, just before manass lecture on Project Bluebeam,
which became the book, and we've got a quote from
it here he goes. In May nineteen seventy five, gen
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Roddenberry accepted an offer from Paramount to develop Star Trek
into a feature film. That's awesome. I'm glad that that
whole thing happened. This is Matt off Off quote back
to the quote, and moved back into his old office
on the Paramount lot. His proposed story told of a
flying saucer hovering above earth that was programmed to send
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down people who looked like prophets. Including Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3 (57:16):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (57:17):
So you know, we can't sit here and tell you
today that Sergeman asked, like pulled anything directly from this
book or from you know, maybe he heard about this
story before the book came out. We cannot tell you
that because we do not know. But it's definitely a
pretty similar thing there from one of the great sci
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fi writers of our time.
Speaker 3 (57:42):
Yeah, and they're very similar. They're really similar. They are
very similar.
Speaker 2 (57:49):
But they're not holograms, Ben, But.
Speaker 1 (57:51):
They're not holograms, Matt. Yeah, you check a mate on
that one. Brow. I will say in support of that
that we know hologram technologies advanced leaps and bounds. It's
just as far as we know, it's not where it's
not where manass thought it was yet officially. Secondly, just
from the way that this is written, the acceptance of
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this theory requires the acceptance of an Islamic, Judaic, or
Christian worldview, the idea that the ancient former first of
the Angels is indeed real, is super into technology and
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has spent a lot of time making an extraordinarily complicated
plan with a lot of potential fail points, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 3 (58:47):
And also for this idea.
Speaker 1 (58:51):
There's a I think there's an inherent you know, it's
a tool that fascism uses a lot. The idea here
is that the enemy must be at the same time
portrayed as immensely powerful but also inherently incredibly weak.
Speaker 3 (59:08):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (59:10):
This is surprisingly prevalent in manass idea of Project Bluebeam,
that there is this incredibly powerful, evil supernatural force, but
that it has to rely but it's so weak, it
has to rely on these various other things. Also the
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implication that there is a tremendously good supernatural force that
is tremendously powerful and in most religious world views omnipotent, right,
all powerful, but that this entity itself could be laid
low by technology. It's from a folkloric perspective. It is fascinating.
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But there is one thing we have to talk about
before we end the show that we can't skip over,
and it's one thing that's still still on my mind, Matt.
The death of Surge benast Right. We know that officially
he's a heart attack after a terrible night in jail,
who's aged fifty one. You know, it's not It's never
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a good thing when someone gets a heart attack, but
they can happen increasingly as you age, and he's in
his fifties. Maybe he wasn't taking care of himself. But
you remember this. Going back to Castro, when we did
research on this, the CIA did significant work on a
prototype heart attack gun, a point and click.
Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
Heart attack gun.
Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Yeah, and there's even a I remember a video of
a prototype showing something very similar to that. There's all
kinds of proposed intelligence agency weaponry that's been shown in public,
and way more that's never been publicly acknowledged. That is
for certain. That's a problem for anybody who dies basically
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that talks about dangerous things, because there's always the possibility then,
or at least the fear that this person was killed
or assassinated by a group that has whatever that technology
could be. It's really a situation where it makes the
end user the thinker you in this case, it makes
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it gives you doubt about the official story, but it
also simultaneously makes you perhaps doubt the unofficial story. It's
an odd situation. It creates a lot of uncertainty, I think,
and to my mind, this is that's what this entire
thing does. That's what Project Bluebeam does for me personally.
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If aliens attack, for sure of extraterrestrials of any form
or creed, you know, attack the earth or invade the
earth tomorrow, I'm gonna think first then it's some kind
of holographic technology, just because I'm aware of this thing.
And that doesn't mean I believe that's what it is,
but that's what I'm That's my first thought. Is gonna
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be oh, Seerchman asked Project Blueberry, Project bluebe right there.
I think this kind of thinking it just has that
effect on the individual, perhaps.
Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
Right, And it is.
Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
You know, it is our duties human beings to question everything.
It is your personal choice whether you wish to accept
certain things on faith alone. Again, that's your choice. But
when it comes to I mean, I mean you know it,
I have to say I am definitely in the former camp.
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I do question most things. But also, you know, I'd
be very careful to avoid being smug about people who
make faith based decisions, because even if you think you
are tremendously skeptical, even if you think you are an
atheist and blah blah blah, I guarantee you you accept
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so many ridiculous things on faith. You get in that
car you hop on the interstate. You're just kind of
taking it as an article of faith that you're not
gonna die maybe sometime, but not this time. We all,
you know, we all exercise our agency in that liminal
space between what is proven and what we wish to
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be true.
Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
This is the last thing I'm gonna say, Ben, I
think this is correct. You'll have to check me here.
That Monast's last before he died, his last prediction about
when this whole thing would go down was in the
year two thousand, the turn of the millennium. That's right, correct, Okay,
So I'm just gonna put these things together really fast.
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In that year, same year that he predicted it would occur,
there was a report from Project for a New American
Century that came out that said, much like Watchmen, much
like what's described in Project Bluebeam, we needed a new
Pearl Harbor in order to unite the people in a
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common in you know, at this at that point within
that report, the common goal was to unite against an
enemy of some sort. And of course the Project for
New American Century is aimed directly at the United States,
but you could imagine it being an enemy that all
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humanity could fight against, ie, some kind of extraterrestrial force
or you know, it's something that's similar to what's described
by Mineste. Just putting that out there because they put
that in two thousand and we know what happened in
two thousand and one.
Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
False flags are real. That's just that's an historical fact. Really,
The only thing worth debating in that world or in
that you know, in that area of conversation, is which
things are in fact false flags. But anyone denying the
existence of those sort of things right now is being.
Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
Willfully ignorant.
Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
And that is not us saying that nine to eleven
was a false flag. That is I'm just saying they exist,
and I will say it too. False flags are real. Okay,
all right, Well, I don't know, I don't know. I
don't know what to end this on. Ben that you know,
(01:05:37):
the we're talking about hologram hologram technology, and I would
just encourage everybody to go through use duck duck go
or whatever search engine. I would, you know, encourage you
to use Duck duck go because they still acknowledge our
YouTube channel. But you know, look at some of the
tech that's being developed right now that some of it
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is available, some of it is just on the cusp
of being available to consumers. And at the levels that
it exists right now, you can totally imagine that a
projected hologram into cloud cover or just the moisture in
the lower atmosphere could be a real thing.
Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
And I'd also like to hear, like to get a
gauge of the optimism the pessimism amongst our fellow listeners,
because I am convinced that due to longtime listeners you
know this, I'm convinced that, due to hardwired physiological constraints
in the human brain, there's no way we're going to
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get billions of people to cooperate on anything that I like.
What would be something that would unite everybody? Because I'll
tell you this is going to make me sound like
a jerk, map, but I'll tell you if there were
an actual alien invasion, everyone knew what was coming. Everyone
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knew that genocide was on the menu for every forget
Homo sapiens, for every primate on the planet. I guarantee
you right now, it is my opinion that there would
be millions of.
Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
People who would be on board with.
Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
The aliens, and there were you know, they would say, look, no,
it's better.
Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
They got some great points. You know, I think really
we should roll out the red carpet.
Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
I just I don't know, man, I'm feeling very pessimistic nowadays.
But we want to hear what you think, of course,
and we want to say, like, you know, maybe we've
been treating this. We don't mean to treat it dismissively.
It's just that there are a lot of there are
a lot of fail points for that plan, by which
I mean things that could go wrong, and there are
a lot of explanations that Manasse never really provided, and
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a lot of things that seem like leaps right. Sorry,
he loves Project Bluebeam. He's had enough, so let us
let us know your thoughts. As always, we hope this
episode finds you safe when doing as well as can
be possible in these days. We can't wait to hear
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Yeah, that's the most we've ever had it together. Actually,
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Today's episode is a classic episode. I would call it
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of the world. We are living in a time where
history is being written. We are recording this on June one,
twenty twenty. We are based, as we say all the time,
in Atlanta, Georgia, and as we record this, the nation
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is a wash in protests against ongoing police brutality.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yes it is, and our city is certainly seeing a
lot of the protests and it's all in reaction to
the killing of a man named George Floyd. And we're
going to talk about that at a later date, but
today we'd like to just have maybe a moment of
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reflection within this podcast and then we'll start the show. Okay,
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I say another because this person calls in all the time.
His name is Wayne. Wayne, you know who you are.
You've seen the title of this episode, so I'm sure
you are quite excited, as are Ben and I and Paul.
Today we are covering something that we've talked about before,
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as been mentioned at the top here. But it's something
near and dear to your heart, Wayne, and it's something
that I have cited several times as my favorite conspiracy.
I believe Ben and today we are asking the question
what is Project bluebem?
Speaker 1 (04:55):
So here are the facts. Let's start this way a
bit differently. I was thinking about this the best way
to start it. It's odd to get into. We're going
to start with the actual conspiracy theory at hand when
we ask what is Project Bluebeam?
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I'd like to give you.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
The origin story first. Most people know about Project Bluebeam
because back in nineteen ninety four, a Chebaquah author named
Serge manast went you know, achieved to some notoriety and
some public attention in fringe circles with claims that NASA, Yes,
(05:37):
that NASA either plans to or already has begun implementing
a new Age religion with the Antichrist or some version
thereof as its leader, in hopes of starting a new
world order through the use of high end communications technology.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yes, and it's not just NASA, by the way, the
North American Space Agency, It's also the United Nations. So
everybody was gonna get involved with this whole thing, at
least according to this conspiracy, and the basic idea is
pretty much the scenario that played out in Watchmen. If
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you've ever read the comic or watched the movie that
came out back in the day, or the scenario that
was alluded to very much so in the new HBO
series of The Watchmen, where oh that's my son, where
the only thing that could really bring all of humanity
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together is some kind of outside invading force of a
power more powerful than the biggest nuclear weapon that's ever existed, Right,
some kind of large scale global event that threatened all
of humanity, so we would all ban together.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
And there's an interesting point in chronology I want to
propose here. First, let me step back and say, you're right, Math,
that's a good point. It wasn't just the United Nations.
It's not just NASA. It's also the Freemasons. It's also
you know, what's vaguely referred to as the Illuminati. At times,
multiple mad libs of organizations come into play or under
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accusation here. But Watchman the comic was created by a
fantastic writer, notoriously cantankerous human being named Alan Moore. It
first appeared in nineteen eighty five, So keep that time
in your mind, keep it at the front of your head.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
So we'll give you a spoiler alert.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Because of the age of Watchmen, we're going to count
this down. Spoilers, you know, turn back now or have
Watchmen spoiled for you? Three to one spoilers and Watchmen,
one of the characters attempts to create create this global
unification you mentioned Matt by genetically engineering a gigantic squid
(08:09):
like thing that also has psychic powers, and it creates
a tremendous tragedy.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Millions of people die. It's it's it's very bad. In short.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
In Project Bluebeam again, according to Serge Manask, all the
world's governments conspire to create the Messiah that they wish
to see in the world, and to create.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
It not as a.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
It's difficult to say what Manasse conclusively believed toward the end,
but at times he it described it as simply a
means of secular control by taking advantage of people's credulous nature,
but then in other other times is very explicitly saying
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this is actual supernatural stuff. We'll get into the specifics
a bit, but for the timeline, it's interesting because in
a lot of conspiratorial claims, we see that their achilles
heel can be timeline right, like the end of the
world millenary and cults and so on. They always seem
(09:19):
to have some challenges when they say the end of
the world will be in eighteen fifty eight. Wait, scratch that,
I misread the you know, Holy tiles, it'll be nineteen seventeen,
but definitely nineteen seventeen. Manasta has explained that by saying
that the world's government's true masters, you know insert down here,
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whoever you think they might be, wanted to do this
in nineteen eighty three, two years before Watchmen publishes, but
they weren't able to do it for one reason or another,
call it technical difficulties. And then later in his nineteen
ninety four comments he said it would happen in nineteen
ninety five, he said, what happened in nineteen ninety six.
(10:02):
That's the same year that a widely mistranslated Nostradamis quote
also was said to foretell the end of the world.
Around the time of his death in nineteen ninety six,
Manaske claimed that Project Blue Beam would occur in two thousand.
(10:22):
It's twenty twenty now, a horrible year. But as far
as we know, the mainstream of the world has not
said Manast was right, has not said Project Blue Beam
has occurred, but we'll see that not everybody on the
fringes agrees.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
And again we are going to get into the specifics
of what Serge Manask believed was going to happen or
was supposed to happen, and all of those times, you
know where the date kind of kept getting pushed back
and pushed back. But let's jump backwards to nineteen forty five,
to the year that Serge Manast was born. That's just
(11:07):
that's just the time he was born. We're not actually
going to spend a lot of hanging around in nineteen
forty five. We kind of remember World War Two and
it ending and everything. And then moving on up to
the nineteen seventies and nineteen eighties, Surge or mister Manast,
he was a journalist. I mean, he was pretty legit.
He was at times pretty controversial, but he was a
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member of the Social Credit Party back in those times.
Again we said he was from Quebec, Canada. That's where
he spent a lot of his life. And then in
the nineteen nineties he started shifting his focus away from
you know, journalism with the capital J and started writing
books and books about his beliefs, books about conspiracies, essentially
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the New World Order was one of the main topics
that he focused on, and he talks about his inspirations
being one person, specifically William guy Carr. That's C. A. R. R.
Who was also a Canadian.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Right, William James guy Carr.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
He's a former Navy officer, author, noted conspiracy theorist.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
He is.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
He's kind of a lynchpin in the folklore of North
American based illuminati thought. And he is also I should
note he is also definitely an anti semi. I would
not consider him necessarily I'm saying this very carefully. I
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would not consider him necessarily a rational source. But that
is someone that thematically we seem an ass drawing a
lot of a lot of tropes from so when as
founded the International Free Press Agency, and that's that would
come to be where he published the.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Bulk of his work in this field.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
He had an interview on the on a television show
hosted by ufologist Richard Glynn. It may be familiar to
some people. I want to apologize in advance for my
butchering of the fine French language. Here Esoteri's experimental esoteric
(13:31):
experiments in there. He is quite emphatic warning people about
the rise of a one world government, and in nineteen
ninety five he publishes what is largely considered to be
his you know, his mag mopis.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
It's called the protocol Mmm. This is me trying to
do French again, the Protocols of Toronto six. And inside
this work he reveals that the Masons, there's a very
specific group of them called six sixty six, and these people,
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for twenty years have been getting together with all the
movers and shakers of the world, the most powerful people,
to establish essentially the Illuminati or you know, in this case,
it's referred to as the New World Order, and it's
their entire goal is to control the minds of humanity,
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of all the people, mass mind control essentially. And for
someone who truly believes this, that you know, there's some
group out there that's secretly trying to put everyone under
some kind of spell or mind control, you can imagine
that there's there's a feeling of, you know, of fear
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that maybe these people know that you know, and you're
talking about it publicly, so you know, whether it was
true or not. Manass believed and he claimed that he
was being hunted by police by other authorities for distributing
this kind of stuff. What he called for his involvement
in quote, networks of prohibited information, right, the stuff they
(15:16):
don't want you to know. You can imagine that he
probably felt that, whether it's true or not.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Yeah, And that is a quote from him, networks of
prohibited information. That's something else. That that's something else you
should keep in the front of your mind as we
continue here. Think of this part as the you know,
the roller coaster slowly.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Up the hill.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
So he homeschooled his children, his son and his daughter,
and then eventually, in September of nineteen ninety six, the
year of his death, they were removed from his care
and made wards of the state, the idea being that
they had a right to receive education. Manasked himself was
(16:04):
arrested just a few months later, December of nineteen ninety six.
He spent the night incarcerated, he was released, he returned
to his home, and he passed away. And the official
cause is listed as a heart attack, and today that
official conclusion remains that the death of surgemon Est came
(16:26):
as a result of a combination of poor health and stress.
But his supporters will argue that he was assassinated through
the use of high tech intelligence agency or world order
connected weapons, and that his death was either framed as
a heart attack or that the heart attack itself was
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caused by some sort of suppressed technology, all with the
ultimate end of silencing his voice and preventing him from
disseminating all or part of the truth of this grand scheme.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
I would say, there's a tough thing to deal with
right here, and it's the concept that there could be
a strategy. Let's say, if you're an organized group of people,
whether an intelligence agency or not, and you wanted to
discredit somebody, one way to do that is to attack
the home structure. That would be a smart play at least.
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And another thing to do is to make it look
like someone dies of natural causes if you want to
remove them. So, as we're saying, the rumors float around
on the internet about all kinds of things with regards
to mister Manass's home life and his death, and really,
I mean, that's a ton of background right there. But
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what we want to do now is take a deep
dive into that which is Project Bluebeam. What was it,
how did it work or how was it supposed to work?
And why do some people think it's already happened or
is about to happen. And we'll talk about that right
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Speaker 1 (18:19):
Here's where it gets crazy. So there's a plan, right,
there's always a plan. Let's walk through what Serge Manas outlines.
He breaks it down into a series of phases or steps.
And interestingly enough, you know, I think we've both spent
(18:40):
a lot of time thinking about timeline here. Interestingly enough,
these steps are not necessarily delineated with you know, concrete
phases of time, like step one is not necessarily three years,
ten years, two months, or anything like that. So the
first is to discredit and or demolish the majority of
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what we would consider religious based archaeological knowledge. This would
be accomplished again, this is this one person's argument. This
would be accomplished by faking, manufacturing, or faking earthquakes at
targeted points around the world. And then those earthquakes would
destroy some things, but they would more importantly appear to
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reveal things faked discoveries at these locations. And that's monos
phrase there. He says, they would be faked, fake discoveries
at these locations that would fundamentally disprove existing religious doctrine.
We've heard about this stuff before, you know, about maybe
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the early days of the Catholic Church, various documents or
records being found that were considered heretical to the orthodoxy
that was agreed upon at Nice or at the Council
of Verms. So we know that we know that, especially
older religions, find things that don't jibe with what they
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want the truth to be all the time. This is
Surgeon monast Is just saying here, this would be weaponized.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Yeah, and there's a lot of imagery that's been associated
with this concept that Manasse puts forward in Project Bluebeam.
You know, everything from kind of been what you're describing,
like finding numerous dead sea scrolls in various parts of
the world that disprove the existing doctrines of Islam and
(20:44):
Christianity and Catholicism and all these things. There's another version
of it that's a little more sci fi that's like
a two thousand and one Space Odyssey thing, where you know,
a cube of some sort or a rectangle or a
pylon or something as discovered that appears to you know,
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state somehow represent truths that go back beyond the established
religious doctrines. It's just really interesting there, and it no
matter what version of it you choose to go with
for this, for this, for this instance, let's go with
(21:25):
just the numerous Dead Sea scrolls version. The goal here,
at least in manassview, is to discredit all of the
existing religions so that we can create a new one, right,
and this would be a way to do that. You'd
want to get rid of the old before bringing in
the new, or at least get people to doubt just
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enough in their current belief system so that they'd be
ready or more easily swayed to pick up a new one.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Yeah, you know, I propose that as we go through
this we talk about some of the arguments for and
against this plan, just trying to be fair, so first
not to be you know, negative Nathan about this or whatever.
But first, innumerable examples throughout the span of human history
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show that people are a not easily swayed in matters
of faith. Changing your faith is such a big deal,
in fact, that many religious figures are primarily famous for
making that switch. Second, we know that people, even with
relatively mundane opinions, people tend to dig in and double
(22:38):
down when they're presented with something that feels like an
attack or a contradiction of something we already believe. It
could be anything from like which store has the best
cheese steak in Philadelphia? To which is the one true God?
Like people do not like changing our minds.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
We're wired not to do that.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
And second, even if you could get some people to
change their opinion or their belief about something so very
profound and personal, it would be virtually impossible to make
every single member of any large religious movement abandoned their faith.
That is something that has literally never happened in the
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history of the world.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
You know what's something that has happened. Humans have caused earthquakes.
You know, Nikola Teslo tried it. He wanted it to
be real. Whether or not he was fully successful, we'll
never know. But we do know that man made earthquakes
do happen, So you know that part of the theory
(23:44):
here could stand up. The problem is the only, at
least you know, in acknowledged or proven versions of man
made earthquakes, we've only really seen it kind of happen
as an accident or as a as a side effect
of something else.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Right, Yeah, Like the most easily proven cases of manufactured
earthquakes in the past, I would say past several years
at least, have all been the unforeseen consequences of fracking.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Uh, you know, the if you want, if you wanted
to target a specific earthquake, officially, the technology to do
that doesn't exist. What suppressed technology is a whole other,
a whole other badger in the bag here.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Well, and the other thing is you'd have to have
an earthquake occur that's so targeted to then have something open,
you know, be revealed let's say whatever is going to
be and then it have to be discovered too, So
you'd have to do it in you know, a somewhat
populated area to reveal this seing. There's just there are
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a lot of issues with that concept of an earthquake
then disprove religion with some artifact.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
It's not the most straightforward plan, I'll admit, but you're right.
So that is one big takeaway. Human beings are proven
to be capable of creating earthquakes, just maybe not to
this degree of sophistication. But second, and I'll defer to
you here, Matt, because I think this is maybe.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Your favorite part.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Favorite's a weird term, but this is the part where
almost ten years ago now you and I spent a
couple hours just like just shooting the breeze about this
one the first time I learned about it. And that
is what has been called by Manass supporters as well
(25:47):
as his critics, step two or phase two of Project
Bluebeam the space show.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah, this is the real show. This is the big deal.
This is the turning point in the plot. This is
the thing that makes everybody go, oh no. The concept
here is that holographic technology, some kind of holograms, three
dimensional images would be projected across the planet, not just
(26:20):
in one you know city center, not just in New
York or you know, Dubai. It would be everywhere, and
these images would represent whatever the let's say, the primary
religious figure is in a region. That's what shape this projection,
(26:44):
this hologram would take, and they would there would be
audio associated with it. So from somewhere either projected from
a satellite that's generally where man Ask believed it would
come from space based satellites with laser technology that's shy
down essentially onto cloud cover, or just into the moisture
in the air where the audio coming through would be
(27:09):
speaking in every language depending on the region, depending on
the dialect. It would be an all encompassing thing, and
they would essentially say, you know, the same kind of
things that were being set up in Phase one, which
is the old way of thinking, is done. And then
all of these various you know, prophets, God's sons of gods,
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whatever it is that's being worshiped in that region, it
would merge down into one being, essentially one God, and
this image that would be created then across the world,
the same image would be the Antichrist, essentially the one
symbol that would herald in the new world orders Plans.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Mhm.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
That's correct, and it's important to note that the Antichrist
here the term is what Surge is using surgemon asks.
But the Antichrist that will appear to these people and
this theory is not an antagonistic force. It's a force
of illumination and salvation.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
And this is interesting.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
So let's go back through pros and cons right, Sokun.
There's a big assumption here. We have to remember that
this is being proposed, This is being sort of like
ideated and then proposed in the nineties, but now in
twenty twenty, secularism is on the rise. Also, you know,
(28:44):
would this thing alone, this physical light show alone, be
enough to persuade someone that this is actually their God
instead of some sort of mental issue of their own,
some sort of even whether or not or hallucination. There
are other things like what about religious figures that cannot
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have their form expressed.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
You know what I mean? Like one of the great
one of the.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Great examples of that is if Project Bluebeam was attempting
to sway Muslim communities, you know, what, are you going
to project the face of Allah? Like do you think
that's gonna work? Because that's pretty explicitly not something that
(29:34):
any holy force would do in that belief system. But
you'll also see people I think we should stop hearing
mat we should say. You'll also see people claiming that
there have been various tests or demonstrations of this technology already,
(29:56):
like anything that involves light or a lot of stuff
that you just see in the sky that appears anomalous,
or even real world events.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Oh sure, yeah. You'll find things online that state that
the attacks of September eleventh, two thousand and one were
either a the Project bluebeam in action or a test
run of projection technology. And while you know, we don't
(30:24):
necessarily believe this, the concept here is that September eleven,
two thousand and one was one of those events that
really did change the course of history and change, you know,
the way the United States and other countries viewed a
lot of other countries, and it just it had a
(30:46):
large effect. And you'll see online people saying that the
planes going into the two towers were actually projections. You
can find that all over the internet. You know, there
are several other examples, but that's the one that I've
probably seen most commonly. There are others that state that
known missile tests that have been seen that were originally
(31:10):
reported on as UFO sightings. You may remember the spiral,
I forget the exact name of it, but like the
portal that happened to be a couple stages of a
rocket and the way it looked in the air, that
was reportedly some kind of blue beam test, at least
again according to online forums and several researchers. I have
(31:35):
personally not seen anything that I would consider a full
scale project blue beam test. But again, the whole point
of it, if it were real, is that we probably
couldn't discern whether or not it was a hologram, right, right.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
And this leads to this leads to the rise of
deep fakes as well, because the interesting thing about localized
ofs that are then shared online, either in video or
still photography, is that people aren't seeing it in person.
You're seeing a visual clip that purports to portray something
(32:12):
in an accurate manner, and you know, you just can't
trust it.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
I wish I had a better answer. You can't trust it.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
So if anything, people are becoming a little bit more
skeptical about this stuff. So it's it's kind of an
argument against this.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
But yeah, you're you're absolutely.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Right the idea that this is all kind of a
test run. But manasked to his credit, I would say
says that there is a way that people will be
reliably influenced by this appearance. It won't just be like
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the Stone Mountain laser show, which is so famous here
in Atlanta, Georgia, and there are you know, there are
other examples aside from UFOs there. They're like specific, concrete,
pretty secular examples. I know, you know one, Matt, and
I've got one that actually is true, but it was
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drawing board fase.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Well, yeah, wasn't there a plan? And Ben, you'll have
to forgive me, I'm pulling this from when we did
our video way back in the day. But wasn't there
a plan to possibly project Allah or the prophet Mohammed
over Baghdad for military purposes?
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Yes, yep, that's correct. It was drawing board phase. But
there was another plan as well, from Uncle Sam.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Maybe it was.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Lansdale said, hey, you guys, what if we fake the
second Coming of Jesus Christ over Cuba?
Speaker 3 (33:51):
And they're like, why would we do that?
Speaker 1 (33:52):
And it's like, well, you know, to overthrow Castro.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Right.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
You could tell that probably came pretty late in their
brainstorming session that day. They had gone through the heart
attack gun, which will be important later. They had gone
through the exploding cigars, weaponizing animals.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
But but you know, we're talking eighties, nineties of seventies
in some cases, but it's probably closer to the eighties
and nineties when these things were being discussed.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Everybody's on cocaine, you know what I mean. They were
probably seamlessly transitioning to talking about how great their synth
albums were going to be.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Yeah, but yes, but it's also you know, there were
military minds thinking about this back then, and you know,
as we're going to talk a little later in this episode,
the tech has only improved.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Right, That's correct, So there is there is an explanation,
though Manass does say that their manask does seem to
acknowledge that just seeing something wouldn't be enough to swing
the needle of people's minds, and that's where you poses
the existence of psychotronic technology, which we've covered in the past.
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Psychotronic technology is essentially a Russian Soviet originated phrase describing
the use of technology to amplify psychic powers. Think of
like menusteric goats would be a popular fictional thing. So
the idea was they would use certain types of technology
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to give people esp or to give people the ability
to reach into the minds of others in manesque world.
Project Bluebeam depends upon a Soviet built computer that would
be fed with quote minute physiopsychological particulars based on studies
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of anatomy and electro mechanical composition of the human body
and the studies of the electrical, chemical, and biological properties
of the human brain, and then that every I think
every single human being on the planet Earth would have
a specific radio wavelength, that this computerized system would intimately
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know this biometric data of yours, and that it would
use that to affect your reaction. That these computers had
also furthermore, cut their teeth, cut their mechanical algorithmic teeth
on inducing suicide.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
It is true.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
We know that in our previous research certain frequencies can
affect people in astonishing and deeply disturbing ways.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
But for the record, we still have.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Not proven the existence of the brown note, which I
know is a question a lot of our fellow listeners
had as soon as we mentioned that. But okay, so
there we go. That's the thing they're saying. We're gonna
show this huge thing in the sky that will merge
and become your new God, and then we're going to
make sure that you are through the use of technology.
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We're going to make sure that you are in a
suggestible enough state that you believe it, that you experience
a revelation, kind of like the god helmet, which gives
one the sensation of encountering the divine. But it's weird
because if it's NASA doing this, as it's commonly proposed
in his theories, why would they work with why would
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they work with the Soviets? Especially when the USSR at
the time, as far as we know, was pretty far
behind NASA. In a lot of ways, it's like saying, hey,
I'm I'm Sony or a Microsoft, and I've got this
great plan, but to do it, I need twelve hundred ataris.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Yeah, or you know, yeah, I was just going to say,
working directly with Chinese technology that's competing, Yeah, I can
just imagine it. It wouldn't it wouldn't work that way,
but we should we should mention here. By the way,
it doesn't stop there.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
You know.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
You may think, oh, wait, they're gonna use psychotronics. You say,
I remember that episode, I remember that concept. Okay, that's
we're just like we're spiraling down a conspiracy rabbit hole here.
It feels like, well, we kind of are in a way,
but it's just getting a little more complicated because there's
a sub phase, a step two, like two point two,
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let's say, and in this concept or in this phase,
the holograms are going to be used to overthrow the
world order by here's a quote, setting loose millions of
programmed religious fanatics through demonic possession on a scale never
witnessed before, never witnessed before. It's an interesting phrase to
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add in there.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
Yeah, I like I like.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
That framing, you know, because it's sort of anticipates people
in the audience will say, well, I've seen you know,
I've seen like three or four people possessed by demons.
That's that's that's a Tuesday or in Boise, Idaho or something.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
And you know what, all of those demonic possessed religious
fanatics are going to be hearing and the rest of
us will be hearing as they're running through the streets. Oh,
we can't play the rest, but you know what that is.
You've heard that before, that's in your head already.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
What is that?
Speaker 1 (39:35):
That is Beethoven's Ode to Joy, the number one most
popular debut song for Antichrist as far as we know,
we did the research, so you know, obviously now we've
got we've got an important point that's introduced here. This
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has gone from the appearance of the supernatural or the
divine in order to manipulate people to the existence of
the supernatural. And it's a quick shift. It happens, you know,
the way that a coin trick happens with a magician.
You're supposed to be looking at a lot of sound
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and fury from one side, and then all of a sudden,
monas hits you with boom. Demons are real, the devil
is real, the you know, the infernal powers, or after
you and your loved ones. I see that as a
plot hole because it's not introduced earlier. It's it's a twist,
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and I know there are several plot holes here. But
like you said, Matt, we do have examples of We
do have examples of intelligence agencies attempting to mess with
people's minds in similar ways in the past. Officially, those
results are not near on this level because you know,
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one of the biggest plot holds to me about this
is the idea that it affects every single human being
on earth at once. That there are very few things,
very few things, including pandemics, including nuclear weapons, that affect
every single human being on earth at once.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
That is true. And I would say that if you
could effectively convince enough people, not all people, but enough
people that this kind of event is occurring, where perhaps
the rapture is happening, or perhaps the you know, the
religious figure that you worship every day has come back.
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But that religious figure is, for some reason, not what
you thought it was, and therefore your religion and entire
basis of belief is not what you thought it was.
I can imagine that it could cause at least chaos
on some level, and you know, pretty widespread chaos if
you could pull that off.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
I see.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Yes, you don't have to convince everyone. You just have
to convince a significant almost and market position. But that's
how it feels. You have to just say, swing a
significant demographic.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
Well, here's the thing, though.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
When these people see this god in the sky, they're
gonna hear ode to joy. But that's not all they're
going to hear. They're going to hear something else. Manasse proposes.
We'll get to that after a word from our sponsor.
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We're in the thick of it, conspiracy realists. We're on
the third step of Project Bluebeam, the third phase, which
would be what Manast calls telepathic electronic two way communication.
This would be through the use of extremely low frequency
radio waves, the conveyance of a message into people's minds
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such that this thing they're seeing in the sky appears
to be directly speaking to them in their language and
saying the same message, you know, and in any language
in the world, all the way from the biggest ones
like Mandarin to you know, very small dialects of isolated tribes.
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As you can imagine, that doesn't really hold up when
you get to those smaller dialects, some of which are dying,
some of which don't have any any speakers who can
really translate other than the like three two hundred and
fifty in some cases ten people who know them. So
that's a plot hole and manesse explanation doesn't. It doesn't
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really bear up to what we know about the technology now,
and his even if we relegate it to the realm
of speculation, his explanation of how this would work still
leaves a lot to be desired.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
Maybe that's just my opinion.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
Yeah, I think it does. Conceptually, the way I understand it,
it's that there would be small hidden microchips in a
lot of the electronics that exist in everyday life within
you know, like a city situation or a suburban situation
where there's a lot of tech around. The concept is
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that all those things are numerous, you know, numerous technologies
are going to be in some way communing, communicating to
you through these essentially low frequency waves.
Speaker 4 (44:51):
You know.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
Maybe another thing that kind of connects back to this
one is the concept that the computer is going to
know everything about you, right, That's one of his major
one of man asked major things is that the government
is keeping track of everything you're doing, or some corporate
entity or entities are keeping track of all your information.
It's being stored and tracked, and then it will be
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used to control you by talking to you in familiar
or about familiar things within your life. Maybe in nineteen
ninety four that's a pretty hard stretch, but if you're
in twenty twenty, the concept that a small handful of
corporations knows a lot about your life, very specific details
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about your life, that's not much of a stretch at all.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
I think that's an excellent point, absolutely. I mean that
part's one of the things as the highest likelihood of
being true, honestly, for people who live, especially in very
technologically dense parts of the world, you know, or who
have authoritarian governments, don't don't let the big don't let
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big brother be out.
Speaker 5 (46:04):
Of the game.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
It's not just target that's targeting you. I could have
phrased that better, but you get you know, I could
have you get the drift. So there we go. Now
we're at step four. Step four is the penultimate or
second to ultimate part. Step four is more like four
A four B four C. Manasa says. The next part
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is to say is to have this divine thing essentially
warn people that these revelations are occurring because there is
an outside enemy attacking humanity entire. An alien invasion is
going to occur at every major city concurrently somehow at
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the same time, uh those who still cling to Christianity,
which he specifically mentions Christianity at this point, He says,
those who still cling to Christianity are going to be
made to believe that the apture is about to occur,
and then a marriage of electronic and supernatural read infernal
(47:10):
forces will will occur such that these supernatural forces demons,
you know, creatures of ill intent, will be able to
travel through fiber optics, travel through I don't know at
this stage, like HDMI cables, Wi Fi routers, telephone lines.
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Bluetooth is another one. Yeah, to penetrate all the electronic equipment,
all the appliances, even unto your smart refrigerator and your fitbit,
and that by then they will all have a special
microchip installed allowing this to happen again. If we bracket
the supernatural aspects of this. We know that for a
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very long time, without the public's knowledge, various tech companies
were attempting to build dedicated chips or software based backdoors
into their technology. That's one of the reasons why Chinese
manufacturer Hue is having so much is taking so much
international flak because they do at backdoors that the Chinese
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government can use. The thing is, they're not using those
to spread demonic messages. They're using those for industrial and
state level espionage, right. And you know it's foolish if
you think the US and other countries aren't pressuring their
own private entities to do the same thing. That's just
that's day one stuff, buddy. That's how you run the world.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
That's right, Ben. I have to tell you just to
jump away just slightly. We're talking about, you know, using
all of the tech within our own homes against us,
right or wherever we are using the tech against us
in some way. Just in the research of this, as
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I was looking back through things and trying to find
examples specifically of holographic technology I found. I just stumbled
upon this thing and it really freaked me out. I'm
just going to tell you about it really fast, just
because I want you to imagine this as you're listening everybody.
There's an article within Business Insider from twenty seventeen, from
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May thirtieth, so roughly three years ago. It's about research
into using a somebody's Wi Fi signal, anybody's Wi Fi
signal within a structure, and then an exterior antenna somewhere
on the outside of the structure, and using this antenna
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to pick up the Wi Fi signal and scan the
interior of a building to where you could literally see
major objects or people that are within that building. And
I just want to say, when we're when I'm thinking
about mister Manas's vision of all of these things, all
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of these technologies fighting back against us, I just didn't
think I would have this picture in my mind of
my Wi Fi signal that I know is at all
times sending out you know, energy in wavelength form, throughout
my house, through me, through you know, my family's body
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and everything, and it could be if you had the
right equipment, it could just be read like any other
signal and interpreted as it bounces off of things. Sorry,
I know that has really nothing to do with this.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
It's just.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
I I would have never thought to use it in
that way. There are people that are paid lots and
lots of money to think of ways to use the
signals that are being generated, you know, on a consumer
level basis, in ways that were not intended for them
to be used for the benefit a lot of times
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for military or intelligence purposes.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
Oh yeah, yeah, one hundred percent agree. You know, it's
kind of like the way you can use laser too.
You can aim a laser at a window, Paine, and
from the vibrations of the window, pain you can tell
what people are talking about inside, right.
Speaker 4 (51:27):
You can.
Speaker 2 (51:27):
Yeah, you can generate audio essentially.
Speaker 1 (51:29):
You can generate audio. Yeah, I mean all things are energy.
It's arguably at a certain level, it's just a matter
of translation of that energy from one form of expression
to another.
Speaker 3 (51:40):
Which is.
Speaker 1 (51:43):
Sounds smart enough that I'm sure someone else set that
better end earlier, But.
Speaker 3 (51:47):
I agree with it.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
This is where we Okay, so this is where we
get to the new world order. These described new world
order is a lot like saying chair, or cancer or candy.
You know, it's an umbrella term that describes a lot
of things, and sometimes people agree when they throw around
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this nWo term until they find out the specifics of
what they're talking about. So it's important to note Monast
is not just talking about a secular one world order
here or one world government. He's not talking about the
kind of globalist problem you might hear folks argue about
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a warrant against an other conspiratorial viewpoints. He's saying that
all people will be required to take an oath to
Lucifer to the Devil Lucifer morning Star, and undergo a
ritual initiation to become members of the New World Order.
Anyone who resists will encounter the following. Christian children, he says,
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will be kept for the purposes of human sacrifice, or
they will be or they will be abused. Prisoners will
be used in medical experiments. That's already happening.
Speaker 3 (53:02):
Check.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
Prisoners will be used as living Oregon banks. I know
I probably shouldn't be as explicit about this, but that's
already happening. Check at least in some countries. Healthy workers
used in slave labor. That's already happening, that's been happening
check and said that prisoners who seem like they're on
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the line, who say like, well, you know, Lucifer seems cool,
but I'm only like ninety two percent on board, they'll
be sent to re education centers where they will be
have to repent on television and glorify the New World Order.
Then there will be an international execution center.
Speaker 3 (53:41):
And then he alludes to.
Speaker 1 (53:43):
A classification of other people. But he never got into
it before, or there hasn't been any published matter on
it before that. He himself wrote, so you can see
all the problems here.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
Well, yeah, there are a lot of problems there, and
it reads a lot like visions of revelations from the
Bible or visions of an apocalypse right where this ritual
to worship Lucifer in this case, as he's described, it
could be that whole six sixty sixth thing that he's
already talked about with the Mason group that he's discussed,
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the possible that that insignia would have to be placed
on the human body in some way, just that complete
and utter worship of this one person or deity or
whatever it ends up being in this you know, in
this scenario, it sounds just an awful lot like the
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apocalypse that's been described elsewhere. But yeah, yeah, the problems
are rampant here, I think.
Speaker 1 (54:47):
Yeah, yeah, the problems are rampant. And on one thing that,
of course you have to ask yourself about is where
does this all come from?
Speaker 3 (54:56):
Right?
Speaker 1 (54:57):
Where's the provenance of manass ideas?
Speaker 3 (55:02):
Because they seem very out there.
Speaker 1 (55:04):
These are extraordinary claims, and extraordinary claims typically require a
higher level of a higher burden of proof. Gotta have
more evidence, right, But there's very little in the way
of solid sources. In fact, Manass's original book that he
published with this in France, it's very difficult to get
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a copy of it now. It's almost actually it's kind
of impossible. You might see a couple on eBay or
maybe Amazon or something uninflated price. But I would also
be very very cautious. I would be I would assume
that those aren't the actual books. I would assume they
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might be scams or maybe something being sold under false pretenses.
Speaker 3 (55:52):
Anyway, it's hard.
Speaker 1 (55:54):
To get a lot of the sources here, but we
have found some interesting things about where his ideas may
have come from. We don't know, if you read The Watchman,
you know what I mean, and later encountered that in
his own thoughts. As far as we can tell, he
never explicitly said, you know, I got this idea from
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some cool fiction I read.
Speaker 3 (56:17):
But we also know.
Speaker 1 (56:20):
That right before he gave his famous lecture on Project Bluebeam,
Gene Roddenberry entered the chat in a weird way.
Speaker 2 (56:30):
Yeah, there was a book that was written by Joel Engel.
It's about Gene Roddenberry. It's called Gene Roddenberry, The Myth
and the Man behind Star Trek. It came out in
nineteen ninety four, just before manass lecture on Project Bluebeam,
which became the book, and we've got a quote from
it here he goes. In May nineteen seventy five, gen
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Roddenberry accepted an offer from Paramount to develop Star Trek
into a feature film. That's awesome. I'm glad that that
whole thing happened. This is Matt off Off quote back
to the quote, and moved back into his old office
on the Paramount lot. His proposed story told of a
flying saucer hovering above earth that was programmed to send
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down people who looked like prophets. Including Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3 (57:16):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (57:17):
So you know, we can't sit here and tell you
today that Sergeman asked, like pulled anything directly from this
book or from you know, maybe he heard about this
story before the book came out. We cannot tell you
that because we do not know. But it's definitely a
pretty similar thing there from one of the great sci
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fi writers of our time.
Speaker 3 (57:42):
Yeah, and they're very similar. They're really similar. They are
very similar.
Speaker 2 (57:49):
But they're not holograms, Ben, But.
Speaker 1 (57:51):
They're not holograms, Matt. Yeah, you check a mate on
that one. Brow. I will say in support of that
that we know hologram technologies advanced leaps and bounds. It's
just as far as we know, it's not where it's
not where manass thought it was yet officially. Secondly, just
from the way that this is written, the acceptance of
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this theory requires the acceptance of an Islamic, Judaic, or
Christian worldview, the idea that the ancient former first of
the Angels is indeed real, is super into technology and
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has spent a lot of time making an extraordinarily complicated
plan with a lot of potential fail points, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 3 (58:47):
And also for this idea.
Speaker 1 (58:51):
There's a I think there's an inherent you know, it's
a tool that fascism uses a lot. The idea here
is that the enemy must be at the same time
portrayed as immensely powerful but also inherently incredibly weak.
Speaker 3 (59:08):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (59:10):
This is surprisingly prevalent in manass idea of Project Bluebeam,
that there is this incredibly powerful, evil supernatural force, but
that it has to rely but it's so weak, it
has to rely on these various other things. Also the
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implication that there is a tremendously good supernatural force that
is tremendously powerful and in most religious world views omnipotent, right,
all powerful, but that this entity itself could be laid
low by technology. It's from a folkloric perspective. It is fascinating.
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But there is one thing we have to talk about
before we end the show that we can't skip over,
and it's one thing that's still still on my mind, Matt.
The death of Surge benast Right. We know that officially
he's a heart attack after a terrible night in jail,
who's aged fifty one. You know, it's not It's never
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a good thing when someone gets a heart attack, but
they can happen increasingly as you age, and he's in
his fifties. Maybe he wasn't taking care of himself. But
you remember this. Going back to Castro, when we did
research on this, the CIA did significant work on a
prototype heart attack gun, a point and click.
Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
Heart attack gun.
Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Yeah, and there's even a I remember a video of
a prototype showing something very similar to that. There's all
kinds of proposed intelligence agency weaponry that's been shown in public,
and way more that's never been publicly acknowledged. That is
for certain. That's a problem for anybody who dies basically
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that talks about dangerous things, because there's always the possibility then,
or at least the fear that this person was killed
or assassinated by a group that has whatever that technology
could be. It's really a situation where it makes the
end user the thinker you in this case, it makes
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it gives you doubt about the official story, but it
also simultaneously makes you perhaps doubt the unofficial story. It's
an odd situation. It creates a lot of uncertainty, I think,
and to my mind, this is that's what this entire
thing does. That's what Project Bluebeam does for me personally.
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If aliens attack, for sure of extraterrestrials of any form
or creed, you know, attack the earth or invade the
earth tomorrow, I'm gonna think first then it's some kind
of holographic technology, just because I'm aware of this thing.
And that doesn't mean I believe that's what it is,
but that's what I'm That's my first thought. Is gonna
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be oh, Seerchman asked Project Blueberry, Project bluebe right there.
I think this kind of thinking it just has that
effect on the individual, perhaps.
Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
Right, And it is.
Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
You know, it is our duties human beings to question everything.
It is your personal choice whether you wish to accept
certain things on faith alone. Again, that's your choice. But
when it comes to I mean, I mean you know it,
I have to say I am definitely in the former camp.
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I do question most things. But also, you know, I'd
be very careful to avoid being smug about people who
make faith based decisions, because even if you think you
are tremendously skeptical, even if you think you are an
atheist and blah blah blah, I guarantee you you accept
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so many ridiculous things on faith. You get in that
car you hop on the interstate. You're just kind of
taking it as an article of faith that you're not
gonna die maybe sometime, but not this time. We all,
you know, we all exercise our agency in that liminal
space between what is proven and what we wish to
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be true.
Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
This is the last thing I'm gonna say, Ben, I
think this is correct. You'll have to check me here.
That Monast's last before he died, his last prediction about
when this whole thing would go down was in the
year two thousand, the turn of the millennium. That's right, correct, Okay,
So I'm just gonna put these things together really fast.
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In that year, same year that he predicted it would occur,
there was a report from Project for a New American
Century that came out that said, much like Watchmen, much
like what's described in Project Bluebeam, we needed a new
Pearl Harbor in order to unite the people in a
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common in you know, at this at that point within
that report, the common goal was to unite against an
enemy of some sort. And of course the Project for
New American Century is aimed directly at the United States,
but you could imagine it being an enemy that all
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humanity could fight against, ie, some kind of extraterrestrial force
or you know, it's something that's similar to what's described
by Mineste. Just putting that out there because they put
that in two thousand and we know what happened in
two thousand and one.
Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
False flags are real. That's just that's an historical fact. Really,
The only thing worth debating in that world or in
that you know, in that area of conversation, is which
things are in fact false flags. But anyone denying the
existence of those sort of things right now is being.
Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
Willfully ignorant.
Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
And that is not us saying that nine to eleven
was a false flag. That is I'm just saying they exist,
and I will say it too. False flags are real. Okay,
all right, Well, I don't know, I don't know. I
don't know what to end this on. Ben that you know,
(01:05:37):
the we're talking about hologram hologram technology, and I would
just encourage everybody to go through use duck duck go
or whatever search engine. I would, you know, encourage you
to use Duck duck go because they still acknowledge our
YouTube channel. But you know, look at some of the
tech that's being developed right now that some of it
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is available, some of it is just on the cusp
of being available to consumers. And at the levels that
it exists right now, you can totally imagine that a
projected hologram into cloud cover or just the moisture in
the lower atmosphere could be a real thing.
Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
And I'd also like to hear, like to get a
gauge of the optimism the pessimism amongst our fellow listeners,
because I am convinced that due to longtime listeners you
know this, I'm convinced that, due to hardwired physiological constraints
in the human brain, there's no way we're going to
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get billions of people to cooperate on anything that I like.
What would be something that would unite everybody? Because I'll
tell you this is going to make me sound like
a jerk, map, but I'll tell you if there were
an actual alien invasion, everyone knew what was coming. Everyone
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knew that genocide was on the menu for every forget
Homo sapiens, for every primate on the planet. I guarantee
you right now, it is my opinion that there would
be millions of.
Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
People who would be on board with.
Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
The aliens, and there were you know, they would say, look, no,
it's better.
Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
They got some great points. You know, I think really
we should roll out the red carpet.
Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
I just I don't know, man, I'm feeling very pessimistic nowadays.
But we want to hear what you think, of course,
and we want to say, like, you know, maybe we've
been treating this. We don't mean to treat it dismissively.
It's just that there are a lot of there are
a lot of fail points for that plan, by which
I mean things that could go wrong, and there are
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