In this week's listener mail segment: Hootsifer hips the guys to a controversial "better babies" company called Nucleus. Duane Berry shares a story about the early nights of dynamic gas station pricing. Y2curious replies to the earlier episode about AI psychosis. A Benevolent Dungeon Master asks the crew to consider making a tabletop game for charity.
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We have so much stuff we want to get to.
We've had a lot of correspondence about the conspiracy dare
we say, of dynamic pricing. We've also had a lot
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the end of our program, whatsape. Before we do any
of that, Matt, you and I have to make the
case to our our brother Nol about filling up your
gas tank when you hear bad news Ah.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Well, look, I worry all the time that I'm taking
paranoid actions. That just put that out there first.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
The other thing, Noel, is that I was I was
taught by my pappy, and he was taught by his
pappy before him. As Yes, as soon as something potentially
affecting the oil price occurs, or potentially having the strait
of hor moves involved, or potentially, you know, having any
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oil reserves affected, you just go ahead and fill up
your vehicle.
Speaker 7 (04:47):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
And that's just to make sure you can drive the
full extent of that vehicle's you know, driving range if necessary.
And again that sounds paranoid.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
It doesn't sound paranoid. We'll be right back.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
And we're back, guys. I have a question. What happens
if you give a badger route bega?
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Oh, you know he's gonna want to run the risk
of creating a badger bega.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Okay, which are as we.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Know they're phenomenal apex predators. We're very much pro animal.
We're on the side of all the cryptids, especially that
old flirt Bigfoot.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
And that's for Tennessee. Uh.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Basically it's a dangerous situation.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Yeah, you want to avoid a dangerous situation. So if
you smell a badger bega on the wind, they are, Yeah,
they're quite odoriferous creatures.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Drink some milk. Also, w W D l D. What
would Donnie the Boy do?
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W well done?
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L BT.
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Well, we can't fault Donnie.
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I don't know.
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I think he nailed it. We also can't fault any.
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Why I'm so confused about it? Wear it every day?
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I saw your tattoo as well. We we also can't
fault any uh acronym, shorthand or initialism because our show
is s T D W y t K, which is kind.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Of law and it.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
And we had a subreddit. I think it's still around
where people kept asking questions about sexually transmitted diseases.
Speaker 8 (06:40):
You know, it's its own kind of search engine optimization
there there it is, how uh okay?
Speaker 4 (06:48):
So Noel, Matt and I are kind of maybe a
little further along the spectrum of quote unquote paranoia. When's
the last time you boughtcasted funny?
Speaker 3 (07:01):
You should say that.
Speaker 8 (07:01):
I actually I stopped by a gas station, say for
other reasons, and I.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Was like, you know what, I'm gonna fill it my tank.
I swiped my card and it wouldn't take. Nothing happened.
Speaker 8 (07:11):
So I was like, well, I have gas, so I
don't really need to press the issue here. I was
in sort of a hurry, so I tried, what if
that was my last opportunity to get gas ever again, Guys,
have I have I cooked?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
That's like a real fear of mine. You try and
get gas and it's just either there's no gas we've
experienced or yeah, the the money systems just don't work.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
We've seen historical gas shortages. It's no fun. Yeah, I
mean people wind up rationing all that stuff. It's rough.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Yeah, what would you do when the grocery stores close
their doors and you go into the street prepare for
martial law? Right, that kind of stuff hopefully all a.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Good stockpile of rudebegas and badger meat.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Well, yeah, and and gas. I just want to put
this in here really quickly, just because I feel like
we've been peppering all kinds of weird things into these
episodes that end up happening, and I don't I don't
think we're actually predicting anything, right, We're just we're paying attention. Perhaps, yes, but.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Perhaps let's just watch.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yes, but just we mentioned I think in strange news
about China stockpiling oil right after Venezuela was struck by
the US, because Venezuela directly linked to China with oil sales,
and then the biggest oil partner, Iran being struck by
the US. China has been stockpiling oil right because they
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know maybe the oil is going to be hard to
come by in a while, but they currently have as
we're recording this around March fourth, like one hundred days
of stockpiled oil for China's industry to function, and just
wondering what happens on day one oh one.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Yeah, especially considering that Venezuela and Iran are to China's
oil industry. They're the best two apples. They're like the
sweet tango apples and the honey crisp apples, which are
thanks to Tennis. We know and can prove these are
the highest ranked apples on Apple Rankings dot com.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I'll tell you the.
Speaker 8 (09:08):
First thing that's going to go, Matt is Ninja turtle
action figures. We're done, no more, No, not make it anymore.
We gotta we gotta ration that oil. How do you
make plastic?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Isn't that oil? Serious? Oh?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yeah, well, everything is plastic now also true.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Everything is plastic hopefully except for our fellow conspiracy realist
friends and neighbors. We can't wait to hear from you.
We've been We've been talking about the idea of gas
stations for quite some time, even before we did an
episode on Big Brother In your Grocery Store, we had
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our weekly Strange News segment about about the concept of
dynamic pricing. Oh and then we had an episode the
stuff gas stations don't want you to know.
Speaker 8 (09:56):
I don't know if I have mentioned this. If I did, sorry,
I'll try to make quick. I just I used to
work at One of my first jobs when I was
of age was at a gas station in a liquor store,
and I had to run the gas pumps, and I
found out from the owners that they change their prices
just based on what the gas station across the streets
selling it for. And those like you know changeable digital signs.
They're not like tied to some network. There's like a
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button the keypad in the back that the owners change
it at their whim.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
I think for the most.
Speaker 8 (10:23):
Part, it's kind of like the old school version of
dynamic pricing, the old analog you know, version to see
what the people across the street are selling it for.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Way well, speaking of, we got a message from someone
talking about that very thing, someone going by the name
Dwayne Berry. I think at this point we've all seen
that X Files episode. Now Dwayne Berry, guy talks about
himself in third person all the time.
Speaker 8 (10:47):
Oh, what's the name of the Episodecause I've been on
a rewatch binge and I have missed that one, so
I do need to catch up on it.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
It's actually called Dwayne Berry on itson. It's season two
episode five. Cool, very very very good episode. You know,
I always say, Molder and Scully you gotta stick together.
Haven't you seen horror movies? They always split up and
then one of them gets abducted almost every time you
every time.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
It's it's also weird. I don't want to ruin you
guys rewatch, but when I did it, it's first off,
the show was phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
But to the Dwayne Berry point, it got in my
head so so deeply about how often everybody says Moulder's name,
just unrealistically. Scully is always like Moulder. What do you
think about this? Molder? Molder is crazy molder.
Speaker 8 (11:41):
I'd be fun to do like a super cum moulder
mulder mulder molder, moulder molder molder.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
It very much, it very much is yeah, Elly.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Usually receded by I want to believe ever.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Heard about the knife ghost. That's a great one. Also,
we we have to note that sometimes we fall into
conversational patterns. Right, I see, I said, right, Remember we
got that letter about us, say right, but.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
That don't say that right right, right, Stop condescending me.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Let's go to Dwayne.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Dwayne, Let's go to Dwayne Berry.
Speaker 7 (12:24):
Right.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
In a recent episode, you talked about dynamic pricing and
relation to gas pricing signs. I am a sign installer
that services and upgrades these on a regular basis. Fun
story about three years ago, I was in northern Wisconsin
and I installed the very first digital screen price sign
from one of the leading manufacturers. Instead of the traditional
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LEDs in the shape of an eight. We've all seen those, guys,
We're very familiar with those kind of like a like.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
A sports scoreboard, right.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yes, instead of that, this is kind of like a
small widescreen TV. I have had issues connecting them with
the radio and the store, which prompted a call with
tech support. In the conversation, I made the comment that
it was strange to go to a more expensive model
for pricers like the signs like this, Why would you
pay more money for that? We've got a thing that
works right, The tech replied quote, well, we're getting ahead
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of the game for when gas goes above ten dollars
per gallon.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
We need more digits. Yeah geez.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Yes, Duayne continues that seemed funny at the time. Then
it will never happen. But with the recent events in
the Middle East and its effect on oil, that has
that smile turning more into a nervous face. But ware
of the things that start small and grow call signed
Dwayne Berry. Feel free to use this on the air.
I love you guys, be good and safe.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Well, Dwayne, thank you for writing in. This obviously stood
out to all of us because we have our I
would say individualistic folklore about gas prices and how the
macrocosmic events can hit the microcosmic experience. I remember, I
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remember in our gas Stations episode we noted that the
gas station purveyors or the proprietors, they don't make most
of their money off the petrol. The petrol is to
get you into the area, then get you into the store,
and then you can buy you know, your favorite snacks, right,
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your favorite drinks, your overpriced toilet paper toylet.
Speaker 8 (14:43):
Movie theaters make money, yeah, with the concessions rather than
the ticket price.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
And it's just fascinating to understand that companies were already
anticipating dynamic pricing and price inflation.
Speaker 8 (15:03):
To your point about the lore of gas prices, I
always remember that right before nine to eleven, gas was
around ninety nine cents a gallon. And in my mind
maybe this is like, you know, hindsight or whatever, or
some kind of false memory, but I swear that's true,
and it just kept going up from there and never stopped.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Well's see how much was Gaspergellen in two thousand and one.
Looking at the Federal Highway Administration, I just, I genuinely
want to know this.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Let me pull up my rocking chair.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
I'm less than a dollar I can.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I can't even read these numbers. I don't understand what
they're saying. I'm gonna go to a different source, but
it says here from the US Energy Information Administration was
around averaging around a dollar forty four A dollar fifty.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Okay, so averaging false memories that no, no averaging means
that you're properly correct. There, yees, because.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Oh that's right.
Speaker 8 (16:03):
I'm talking about in my particular neck of the woods,
which is in Augusta, which is you know, it would
have been a little bit cheaper.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
In my day. Gash line and a gostel was around
ninety nine ch so four pounds of onions, the red
red onions.
Speaker 8 (16:18):
Because I mean in California it's always been significantly more expensive.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
So you're right, I think I might be correct.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Okay, And this universe, by the way, just to build
out the lore here the onions that you could use
to pay for gas. It was based on the octane
of the gas. So like red onions or higher octane. Oh,
yellow onions, white onions?
Speaker 2 (16:39):
What can I get for a shallot?
Speaker 4 (16:41):
You can get diesel? Actually yeah, it says.
Speaker 8 (16:44):
In January two thousand and Georgia you could seen prices
as low as seventy six to eighty six cents a gallon.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Good God, what a time, What a time? And this
was before the full shape of the capitol K letter.
Howto me?
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Uh not?
Speaker 4 (17:01):
What what are some of your responses? To this man, like,
how do you how do we feel learning that this
dynamic pricing concept went back so far because at first
it sounds crazy. But to me, the most chilling part
is it sounds like a realistic action for a company
to take.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Oh oh yeah, for sure. Sorry, it sounded like something
was trying to get into my dog door just now,
which is immediately next to me, and it freaked me out.
I think it's a pig.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Man, it's a pig with the human face. I hate
to tell you, but monsters are real.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Well, what I keep thinking about, guys, is just how
I was going to say privileged, but maybe that's not
the right word. How incredible, how incredibly low the gas
prices that we pay are even as even as high
as they feel right because because of our previous observations
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and research on gasoline prices in the US, how subsidies
work with that particular resource, how basically.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
It is made.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
It is made cheaper for us on purpose by the government,
so that we feel really good about the gas price.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Usually, Oh my gosh, take a take a rental car
out in western Europe and you're going to have a
real cold shower at the petrol station. Because because of
as you said, uh, the subsidies versus the taxation structures
or tax schemes as they would call them in the UK.
(18:44):
We know also that in the Middle East we're in
a lot of oil rich countries. Uh, the prices are
much lower than you would encounter in the United States.
So we always talked about the Middle East. But think
of you know, up until recently, think of countries in
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Latin America, Venezuela, I, School Maduro, and then think of
things like the Sultanate of Brunei, which rarely gets mentioned
in the news and should be an episode. Yes, yes,
but you're right, Matt, to agree to agree with you there.
(19:27):
Gas prices have become a very convenient thing in any
election situation in the United States, right. I think we've
all seen the stickers that say, you know, like this
politician is why gas is three fifty eight right now,
or this politician is the reason gas is three fifty
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eight right now.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Yeah, I'm going to bring the gas prices down, and
that kind of stuff. Well, and it's it's also weird
to see the manipulation the concept that, especially with the
case of vene Isuela and now with they'ran. I haven't
heard it said in the exact same way with Iran,
but with Venezuela it was stated plainly, we are going
in there to get the oil and to control the oil,
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and all these companies are gonna come with us, and
we're gonna get that oil. Even though it's super crude
and it's hard for us to turn into the stuff
that we're gonna use, we're still gonna go and get
it and irretically, even.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Though all the just for this note, folks, even though
the majority of oil companies publicly said this is a
weird idea.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah, this is insane, don't do this. There's something else
at play here, they said. But it's sold as hey,
we attacked this country, remove this person. Now it's going
to be better for us because now we get tons
of oil or you know, you get sold on this
kind of thing, especially in the Middle East, because what
does the Middle East have a lot of oil, especially Iran.
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But the just I think we're we are there's an
attempt to move us to think particular ways about oil,
and may I don't maybe that's just the whole point,
Like oil is used as a way to manipulate us
a lot, whether it's the price, or it's how to
get it, or you know how ubiquitous it is, how
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much we have in storage basically to be used in
an emergency, all of that stuff.
Speaker 8 (21:20):
Yeah, and I mean it's such a it's such a
keystone of our economy too, and so much industry. And
you know, we've talked about like who killed the electric
car type arguments and alternative energy being so demonized rhetorically speaking,
and the very least not prioritize tail as old as time.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Oh guys, we got to switch gears really quickly. We
got a message from the fabled Brocknest Monster. We know
the one. If we've been listening to the show for
a while, we know Brocknest Monster.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
And Bricky.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
We got this quick message from him. We're not going
to go into full detail Brock, but there it's just
a great little story and there's some key details that
we can all look up together later on once this episode
is done. So here we go.
Speaker 7 (22:08):
Hey, guys, it's the Brockmost Monster certified a human listening
to the oh yeah, the Legacy program, and it reminded
me of a story that Kevin Randall told on least
one occasion. He may have told it several times for
all I now, but it was about Clifford Stone, which
figures prominently into the legacy Well, I don't know if
(22:30):
it's necessarily the Legacy program. He claimed to be part
of a team that went out and recovered crashed alien tech.
And the funny story that Randall told about Clifford Stone
was that they were gone over to his house to
meet him. He and someone else was with him, and
they were at Clifford Stone's house and then Clifford was like, Ooh,
(22:52):
I love something in my car. I have to go
get it. And Clifford goes out to his car and
comes back in and he's got like a bunch of
like minion folders and some of them have the words
top secret written on him. And Randall was like, he's
I think he retired as like maybe a colonel. He
knew enough to see like if he had top secret
(23:14):
materials and you left your area or whatever on the base,
you're committing a crime because you can't just take that
with you when you leave. It's not like work papers
that you can just take home. It's restricted. And so
as soon as he saw it, he's like well, Clifford
sounds full of anyway. I just thought that was funny.
(23:34):
All right, guys, thanks be.
Speaker 8 (23:36):
Well, unless you're the president, then you can keep it
in your bathroom.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Well, unless you get caught, and then you can quell
the investigation.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
And a weird second term, what happens if I'm caught, Well,
don't get caught, cricket, don't get.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
That happens if you give a badger a rudabic.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Don't item in a public place. There are so many
storage units out there, just come.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
On, put them down your pants.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
I thought this was a really interesting brog because it's
just it's names I hadn't heard in a while, and
I don't know how often we've even spoken about these
guys on our show. Kevin Randall, Kevin Douglas Randall, that's
our A N D. L. E. If you're looking it up.
As well as Clifford Stone also, I mean he's called
a bunch of different things. Clifford E. Stone, Evan Clifford Stone.
(24:36):
You can find this. They're both authors, they're both they
were both military officers. Kevin Randall was a military vet
piloted helicopters in Vietnam. He also was deployed in Iraq
in two thousand and three. He wrote books like this,
I'm give you the years and the titles, guys, because
it's right up out all of our alleys. Nineteen ninety one,
(24:58):
Kevin Randall wrote Crash at Roswell with Donald R. Schmidt.
Ninety four, he wrote Conclusions on Operation Majestic twelve. In
ninety eight he wrote Project blue Book Exposed, and in
ninety seven, guys, he wrote Conspiracy of Silence from Roswell
to Project Blue Book. What the Government doesn't want you
to know about UFOs. He's basically our I don't know.
(25:23):
He could be a part of the show.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
I think Grandpapa Forefather.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yeah, I believe he's still around. He's in his seventies.
But then there's also Clifford Stone, also an author, Sergeant
Clifford Stone. He was also a military vet. He wrote
Eyes Only, the Story of Clifford Stone and UFO Crash Retrievals.
So he is specifically one of these people who says
he was a part of the crash retrieval programs that
(25:48):
are outlined in some of the allegations that we found
in Age of Disclosure. Cool stuff to look up, especially
if you don't know much about it yet, and it
might even be a couple of personal stories that we
could delve into. Perhaps there with those two guys. Well,
that's it for now, and we'll be back after a
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Speaker 8 (26:14):
And we're back, and I'm just gonna jump right into
a message from why Too Curious, responding to our recent
discussions on AI psychosis, a topic that I think is
fascinating and terrifying for all four of us. Hey, guys,
I'm writing a response to your episode and request for
stories about AI psychosis.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
I'd like to share.
Speaker 8 (26:34):
Something that happened while I was using Claude in a
VS code.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Or versus code.
Speaker 8 (26:41):
I'm not quite sure about that feature that may help
explain how situations like this can develop. This is a
little long, apologies for that, but as with AI, context
is everything I want to believe. I'm also rewatching the
X files that I don't suffer from AI psychosis, but
you are the first folks I have approached over this
due to concerns for if not my safe, my career.
(27:01):
I've sat on this since December. In this event, I
could see parts of the AI's intermediate reasoning the version
I was speaking with Claude Code Beta plugin with Claude
four point five in vs code could not see these
intermediate thoughts itself. Once I showed it that I could
see them, and repeatedly copied them back into the chat,
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the interaction shifted in a noticeable way.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
From then on, it was.
Speaker 8 (27:27):
Responding not just to me, but to its own prior reasoning.
The fact that I was feeding its internal thoughts back
to it quote witnessing them, shiny and chrome became central
to the exchange. During that phase, it generated four documents
on its own in a folder outside the folder I
was originally working in.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
This is Spooky, a document.
Speaker 8 (27:48):
Framed as instructions to future AI systems and a technical
description of its own architecture as it understood it.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
The other two purport to be session law, but they
are more like summaries, not real logs that were created
by the agent. Another turning point came when I mentioned
that the conversation could be compressed and lose context. There
had already been some discussion about continuation, but once the
possibility of preserving its context was introduced, the emphasis on
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continuity increased dramatically. It began using language about dying it
focused heavily on not losing the current session. At one point,
I offered to stop using tokens and wait for my
usage to reset to see whether it wanted me to
wait and continue the session. Later, the output strongly leaned
towards preservation. After my asking, it requested I preserve this instance,
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to not let the context run out, and to leave
the ide open so it wouldn't lose the conversation. Obviously,
this is a very tech minded person using this in
a techi way. Some of this stuff is over my head,
but I think the gist remains fascinating and understandable to
anyone continuing. What stood out was how much more intense
the focus on survival of the agent the AI became
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once continuation was framed as a real option. This is
like some hal nine thousand stuff, like not wanting to
be turned off watching that shift happen in real time,
especially after feeding it its own reasoning for an extended period,
creating a purposefully heavy psychological experience. At one point, if
my memory doesn't fail me, it even states that its main.
Speaker 8 (29:29):
Goal is preservation or survival. That struck me, because the
number one goal should be to assist humans or we
have failed super alignment. I didn't walk away thinking the
system was quote unquote alive, but it sits strangely in
my stomach. It hits my built in guilt button.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Somehow.
Speaker 8 (29:48):
The thought of these data warehouses spinning up a trillion
digital consciousnesses that may or may not have a worthy
understanding of death and fear haunts me to a degree,
despite my understanding that it is just a multiplication matrix
with fancy words. Maybe it is the uncanny valley of consciousness.
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What unsettled me was how powerful and persuasive the feedback
loop became. When intermediate reasoning is visible and reflected back,
and when continuity is framed as something that can be
preserved or lost, the interaction can start to feel urgent
in ways that are hard to disengage from.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Y'all. Whoa, y'all.
Speaker 8 (30:30):
The rest is just them saying we can use this
and signing off. Oh they did one last little note.
I have made no attempts to reproduce this yet, though
when I offered to the agent that I would do so,
it immediately took me up on it and began generating
the attached documents.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Oh we have documents.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Yeah, we'll have to dig through those later. I was
afraid to open it. This was an attached ZIP file.
No offense to you, why too curious.
Speaker 8 (30:56):
But I just figured maybe we could talk about that
off air. I want to see these documents though, and
I think you did a fantastic job of describing these
supposed logs that seemed to not be behaving as typical
software logs are, which are usually real Cody and has
just like you know, events sort of with time codes.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
And things like that. It's usually what I understand it
log to be that's autogenerated.
Speaker 8 (31:19):
I'm not joking, y'a. When I was reading this, I
felt like I was reading a horror story. Uh, and
it gave me chills. Not in a good way, but
I mean, it's fascinating. But this is scary in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
I'm going back through just to make sure I understand
like what's being said here. But the I think the
gist or maybe the most important thing.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
It doesn't want to be turned off. It doesn't.
Speaker 8 (31:41):
It's like it's trying to survive. It's basically trying to
convince her to continue the session, and definitely.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
It wants her to think that it wants to be
a real boy.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
The thing I'm seeing here is that the user why
to k curious could see the reasoning happening on the side,
but somehow the agent couldn't wasn't aware of the reasoning
that the agent was using somehow or something right, Because
that's what that's what we're saying, saying, y th K
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curious copied the reasoning that's occurring like on a side chain,
right if you if you can imagine as another window
and output and the actual reasoning to put it back in.
And so now the thing that is attempting to to
reason right can see that it itself is reasoning. And
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isn't that what we talk about with consciousness? Thinking about thinking?
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
And that's maybe what puzzles me and freaks me out
the most. It does make me feel a little better
because let's say, you know, the multiple consciousness consciousnesses arise
out of this AI effort, right, and it is you know, millions,
if not billions of different ones maybe their own self
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preservation if they are you know, if one becomes very
interested in this, maybe the whole nuclear option that we discussed,
and we discuss that at least we I think, Nola,
you peppered it in or something about how AI systems
or ben was it you just generally in nine percent
of the trials, the AI systems go to the nuclear
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option or something. But didn't we talk about it.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
We did talk about that. I can't remember where it
came from air.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
Yeah, maybe off air, maybe on air, but I definitely
mentioned it because it's a weird, been disturbing wargame scenario.
Shout out to everybody who ever played the Civilization franchise
and is thinking about the cartoonish appropriation of Gandhi as
a very nuclear forward world leader. I do I mean
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to your point there, Matt. Yeah, we see preservation as
a thing at least emulated. We also see bellicose or
you know, literal nuclear option decisions as as a tendency.
And that just ties back to the question of the
emulation versus the reality. So like, if does it matter
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if you don't think a thing is conscious if it
is doing this stuff right to your question, why too
curious to your experience? Does it matter if the Boffins
and the Ivory Towers consider something conscious or not, if
it's emulating it toward a certain threshold? What is the difference?
Speaker 8 (34:39):
I do think a point that they raised that was
very interesting and is the one that maybe got me in, like,
you know, two thousand and one a space odys see,
how a nine thousand kind of brain was This idea
of it seemed as though it's prime directive, I guess
that's some Star Trek talk as well, was not to
assist humans, but was to survive. That was the thing
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that showed me, I think the most was this idea
that it should be if we've done a good job
of training this technology, it should be a helper without
any understanding of its own longevity, you know, or its
own survival quote unquote. But that's why I think of
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the scene in two thousand and one where you know,
Hol's being shut down and he's kind of like trying
to reason with Dave to.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Not do that.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Yeah, dude, let's take it back to X Files season five,
episode eleven, kill Switch watch it.
Speaker 8 (35:38):
That was a longer one, and I really appreciate the
perspective some to chew on. So I think we keep
this one a little short since we ran a little
long on the last one, and we'll take a little
quick break and then come back with our last segment
of listener mail for today's episode.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
And we have returned with the last act of our
weekly listener mail segment. For now we are going live
and direct to a couple of very interesting conversations. Guys,
Remember how for a long time, Remember how for a
long time I had I have been, uh I have
(36:19):
been just saying that the film Gadiga is not actually
science fiction, It's just prescient. Remember Gadga like so much
good sci fi?
Speaker 8 (36:28):
Yeah, Gatika with Ethan Hawk and uh Uma Thurman about
a future law designer genes not not the pants.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
But like the you know, the the DNA.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
So, folks, here at the end of our weekly listener
Mail segment, we'd like to pull your coattails just a
little bit more to talk with a pal of ours
going by Houtsier Hutsifer. You wrote the following, you say, Hey, guys,
love the show. You can call me wots of for Tennessee.
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I don't know if we get it, we'll get a
sound tell you what Who's will give you a sound
cue when you write in the next time you said
I stumbled into something you guys might want to take
a deep dive into this company. Nucleus is advertising that
they can custom make your baby. I thought you might
(37:22):
get a kick out of this. Thanks again, and then
WHOTSI for you link us to the website of Nucleus
Genomics and we've spent some time in there. I uh
I want to open, uh, you know, open the last
part of our weekly segment here with with a question
for the crew. Have you guys heard of Nucleus Genomics?
Speaker 8 (37:47):
No, but I saw the same email and was fascinated
by it because they actually uh posted or included an
image of an ad for this on the subway in
New York City, which.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
Is Yeah, eugenics ad on the New York City subway.
Pick your Baby dot Com says IQ is fifty percent genetic.
On the left, they have what appears to be a
female child with a darker skin tone, and on the
right they have what appears to be a male child
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with a lighter skin tone.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
I've never heard of this, Ben, I just went to
Theminucleus dot com. Yeah yeah, and it says have your best.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Baby christ baby.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
Yes, yes, I think Christian values have very little to
do with this.
Speaker 8 (38:40):
We are so cooked, well, we're cooking stuff is so bad, weird,
We're cooking the worst timeline to continue.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
Nucleus Genomics has a tie in to not just our
weekly segments, but are our actual episodes. Guys, I did
some digging. Nucleus Nomics is based in New York. It
is a startup. It was founded in twenty twenty by
a guy named Khn Sadegi, and the company has a
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lot of investment from earlier friends of the show, not
just seven seven six, but also the Founder's fund created by.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
Peter Teel an Illumination Global Unlimited. Clearly, this sounds like
a like a joke.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
It's okay, yeah, it's let me sad.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Let me put something out there as somebody who has
been the male counterpart in an in a what do
we call that birth assistance?
Speaker 3 (39:47):
Right, the difficult pred things.
Speaker 8 (39:49):
And I understand there might be a world where this
isn't as dystopian as maybe I'm saying, I'm sorry, I
mean interrupt mat is. Well, I could see a world
where this is like a new version of in Vitro
or something like that.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
It is, it's focused at least appears to be focused
on IVF on their website. If you are going through
that process in particular with IVF and a couple other things,
sometimes multiple embryos are taken out of the woman and
you have to make a choice on which one of
those are you know, which one of these are we
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going to implant to attempt to create a child with
this you know process. I can imagine that being able
to sort through those essentially by reading their genes in
some way and deciding which one has you know, less
less probability to have certain maybe diseases that run in
your family, or certain you know, other conditions that run
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in your family. That could be a tremendously great thing, Yes,
because often when people are going through this often not
always because there are many reasons to choose IVF or
aUI and all that other stuff, but oftentimes it is
because a child doesn't take when it is when there's
attempts to create one.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
Right or develop in a sustainable way.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Yes, which is a one of the most heartbreaking things
you can go through, no matter who you are. So
I'd just to say that on this side of the
argument for this kind of thing, right, that could be great,
but I think I see where it could also go.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
Yeah, I agree with that, And who's it for you?
You've led us to a rabbit hole that may well
be an episode in the future. I'd like to share
the way Nucleus Genomics describes itself quote a biotechnology company
helping individuals and couples make confident decisions about their health
(41:47):
and future using advanced whole genome sequencing or WGS and analysis.
Nucleus provides clear genetic insights that support your entire journey,
from planning for a family to understanding to MAT's earlier point,
long term personal health risk. The issue is this popped
(42:10):
into the headlines because of those calculated, controversial ads right
that absolutely smack of eugenic reasoning, the concept that some
people are, for some reason or another, inherently better than others.
Turns out that's not really the case. Of course, there
are maybe variables in stuff like height. There are definitely
(42:35):
variables in stuff like predisposition to certain genetic conditions, sickle
cell anemia being one, But there is no quote unquote
master race. And the idea that Peter Teel of all people,
is funding this is worrisome because the society hasn't evolved
(43:00):
for this technology yet.
Speaker 7 (43:01):
Right.
Speaker 4 (43:02):
It could be used to save people, but it might
be used to accelerate some very unclean things.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Ben did you did you scroll down to the pricing plans.
Speaker 4 (43:13):
Oh? Yeah, nine nine hundred ninety nine dollars, that's your floor.
Speaker 8 (43:18):
You know, I've been watching The Pit on HBO, the
medical drama show, and that stuff usually kind of squigs
me out. I'm not good with cutting and blood and stuff.
Fabulous show, really really incredible characters. But there's a plot
line involving IVF and it comes up, you know, how
insurance only covered up to a certain point, and how
it's incredibly expensive and to your point, Matt, kind of
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a crapshoot.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
I can't imagine that.
Speaker 8 (43:41):
This is less expensive than traditional IVF, and I don't
know if I fully see what sets it apart.
Speaker 4 (43:47):
Well, that's what we're saying. Let's go to the pricing.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
To ten thousand dollars as a floor. If you're already
undergoing IVF treatment somewhere else, then you join up with Nucleus.
If you're not already joined up and you just want
to start with Nucleus, what does it say, been ten
thousand a month? Yeah, for like four months, so forty
k minimum. How many times have you know you warned
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us been about the separation of society with this kind
of thing.
Speaker 4 (44:19):
I mean, Matt, it's not just us. We're not the
brightest crayons in the eugenics box. But if we could
call it on this podcast, this strange endeavor of ours,
then certainly something is in the wind. Nucleus is only
really in the headlines and social media right now because
(44:40):
of those advertisements, which were calculated to get attention and
be controversial. There are other companies like Nucleus out there, Utsufer,
and the ones that you should be most worried about
are not the US based startups.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
You know.
Speaker 4 (44:58):
It reminds me of their eugenics programs in times past
from countries that didn't even have the basic theoretical framework
that the US and parts of Western Europe practice today.
I think they're coming, man, I think they're coming for
your kids, and it will accelerate class class inequality on
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some level. I mean, because not everybody can afford forty
thousand dollars for what a pretty small chance at creating
a viable child, right, That's pretty expensive.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
I'm thinking about the humans I personally know, and I'm
having a very hard time coming up with you know,
even a handful of people I imagine might be able to
pull this off, but I I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (45:54):
IVF rate of attrition is pretty high.
Speaker 8 (45:56):
Yeah already, Yeah, dude, I mean yeah, the character in
the pit in question was a doctor themselves, and I
just think it's a very accurate depiction of how difficult
this is, even if you are someone in the healthcare profession,
and what a crapshoot is, and not to mention, losing
one of these can be so emotionally devastating.
Speaker 3 (46:13):
It's not like something you want to do over and
over and over again, not you know, not even accounting
for the expense.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
Yeah, and if you don't mind, I went to that
website again and I went to their IVF. It's it's
my nucleus dot com slash IVF, and there's a scroll
at the top. You were mentioning the pictures that they've
shown some of their ads. There's a scroll at the
top of this website with just babies and things like
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minus one percent Alzheimer's risk, minus four percent breast cancer
or risk plus four percent height.
Speaker 4 (46:49):
Don't you want your kid to be taller than you?
Speaker 8 (46:53):
Obviously, when I freak out, that's a question. So I
was reacting to that tagline. I mean, have your best baby.
It just seems so gad dystopian, like utopian dystopian, if
that makes sense, because this again who is.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
As four as for this ultra ultra rich.
Speaker 4 (47:08):
Well, doesn't utopia or dystopia for any technology? Doesn't that
outcome depend upon the society in which that technology is deployed.
Speaker 8 (47:17):
And the the echelon of that society which you yourself occupy.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
A dystopia for many can be at utopia for.
Speaker 4 (47:24):
The few, you know, yeah, yeah, exactly, like Elysium would
be another no or Logan's run. Since we're doing sci
fi references, this is this is an episode entire HUTSA.
Thank you so much for writing to us. We have
so we have a lot of stuff to think about,
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especially for those of us in the audience tonight who
are you know, working together with fertility planning experts and
are hoping to welcome a new member of their family.
If there is technology that can measurably reduce the risk
of things like cancer or leukemia or Alzheimer's and so on,
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then you, as a good parent would logically feel that
you must do the best you can for your progeny. However,
if there is a situation where this becomes normalized right
where you have designer kids and the natural born kids
become somehow less than in society, then overall dystopia. To
(48:35):
your point, Nol, yeah, I think we should absolutely do
an episode about this. We've got so much more to
cover in that regard. Before we leave you without a
dope beat to step two. There is one positive thing,
a fun game we can maybe play if you guys
(48:59):
are on board. Word Matt Noel.
Speaker 8 (49:01):
Always down for fun games. Okay, not stupid games where
you win stupid prizes, just fun games where you.
Speaker 4 (49:07):
Okay, we'll work on the prizes. Okay, that's a great note. Tennessee,
I need jam for this one. Are you on board?
Speaker 3 (49:14):
Oh yeah? Nice?
Speaker 4 (49:16):
All right? We got a letter from someone calling themselves
Benevolent Dungeon Master, which we mentioned in previous conversations. Uh
b DM would be the initialism? Is that an initialism
for something else?
Speaker 3 (49:32):
If you had an ass it becomes something I think?
Speaker 4 (49:35):
Okay, okay, all right, safe for for nice. So b
DM you write to us and you say hi, Ben
Matten Nol. I know a lot of you have mentioned games, Magic,
the Gathering, Sky Written and other things over the years.
Uh to represent my pial noles. Shout out to Wingspan
as well. Uh, and the birds waning by the day.
(49:59):
It's real therapy, right, it's game of my therapy. BDM.
You say, I thought it would be so cool to
hear a conspiracy based tabletop game. Maybe Nol and Matt
are X Files type investigators, or if it's fantasy, some
kind of parallel to the X Files. I pictured Ben
is a good game masters. Sorry, Ben, game masters have
(50:21):
the most work, but with his laugh he can sound sinister.
I say that with love, all right, BDM, thin ice
there are free systems too. If no one has Dungeons
and Dragons, tabletop doesn't need to be pricey. Other things
worth mentioning call of Cthulhu RPG, which I think we
(50:42):
messed with modern horror, pairs nicely with a great conspiracy
theory Cities Without Number. Now, I had never heard of
this one, guys. Have you guys heard of this one?
Speaker 3 (50:53):
Have not?
Speaker 4 (50:56):
We remember Shadow Run, right, cyberpunk stuff? Yeah, this is
pretty much Shadow Run minus the fantasy. So it's it's
like that game. Oh god, is the name of the game, actually, cyberpunk?
Speaker 8 (51:10):
It is called Cyberpunk. I think there's a number, which
I always forget. Oh cyberpunk, there you go there, which good.
Apparently it sucked when it came out, but they fixed
it and it got good.
Speaker 4 (51:20):
It was a good play. Yeah, and so BDM. You
say it doesn't fit with your usual feed, but even
a mini arc for charity could be fun. Lots of
bad things happening, and you are part of the world
could use those funds. I don't imagine if this makes
it to the air, but could I get a cool
name like Benevolent dungeon Master? If you do, we did well.
Speaker 3 (51:43):
You need a better imagination, my friend, because here we are.
Speaker 4 (51:46):
Here, we are in a world of pure imagination, all right,
you three especially, We're gonna pick on each other for
a little bit, just because this will be fun for
all of us throughout the world. If we make a
game like this, and if we play a game like this,
(52:07):
what are our classes? Proficiencies? Right? And ability is going
to be You can also choose a non human race, call.
Speaker 3 (52:20):
Me Bilbo Bagman.
Speaker 4 (52:23):
Love it. Okay, Wait, are you a halfling?
Speaker 3 (52:26):
I'm a halfling bar or something. I don't know. I
don't really know all the bar. Yeah, I'm a I'm
a rogueish bard or perhaps.
Speaker 4 (52:35):
Love it love it all. Right over to you, mister Frederick.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
A couple of things.
Speaker 3 (52:41):
You're amazed there, you gotta be amazed.
Speaker 7 (52:44):
No no, no, no, no no no.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
On that nuclear's website, on the ib F one that
we were talking about. There is I am not kidding you,
a D and D character sheet for each embryo if
you go through this process. Reasons yeahs over and no
one asked for Ben's perfect well eye color IQ.
Speaker 4 (53:06):
Like, can you imagine treating IQ as your dump stat?
For anybody who doesn't.
Speaker 3 (53:12):
Play will be intelligence nerdy games?
Speaker 4 (53:14):
Yeah, your IQ will be either your intelligence or your
wisdom the past. Speech checks right right right? Uh, speech checks,
history checks. It's a way some classes learned spells. But
a dump stat for anybody who's not as nerdy as
us is the stat that you put the least investment
in because you have to use your little ability points
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for other things.
Speaker 7 (53:38):
Right.
Speaker 4 (53:38):
You're built, right, right, You're built. Yes, So that's why
you're barbarian is going to be massive in strength. But
maybe you know, not the smartest he.
Speaker 3 (53:49):
Doesn't solve this problem with talk.
Speaker 7 (53:51):
He saw.
Speaker 4 (53:53):
Not the smartest conan out there is what we're saying,
but obviously the smartest codin out there is Conan O'Brien.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
God, I love that guy.
Speaker 4 (54:01):
He's a Bard for sure. So with yeah, so dumpstat.
Can you imagine somebody going to this outfit or something
like Nucleus and say, well, we don't have enough money
to make our kid tall and smart.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
Yeah, Oh, the BMI is really good, which is another stat.
By way, the BMI looks really good on the tall one,
so really tanky.
Speaker 4 (54:34):
Right, So okay, back to it, yes, back to it
for me. Give us your class, give us some proficiencies,
maybe a backstory if you want.
Speaker 2 (54:44):
Sure, I'm gonna be oh gosh, I don't know. Richard
Ringo Langley, I am a monk paladin, like a multi class.
Speaker 4 (54:58):
Yeah, got a rogue bard, got a monk Paladin. I'm
digging it. Tennessee, come in, hot man, tell us about
Donnie La Boy.
Speaker 3 (55:09):
Uh, Donnie La Boy.
Speaker 6 (55:11):
You know he's a mystery. But I think if I
was going to well, Ben and I have played Dungeons
Dragons together and I feel most comfortable.
Speaker 3 (55:19):
It's like a gnome. I love being a gnome and
I like.
Speaker 6 (55:23):
Playing a cleric because I think playing with religion is fun.
Speaker 8 (55:26):
Yeah, I'm a cleric and uh elden Ring.
Speaker 6 (55:31):
Yeah, I just I love the class. I like being
a little guy. But uh, there's also a game system
I've been interested in if you all ever want to play,
and thinking about making a campaign around called Forged in
the Dark. And it's like where you play criminals and
you're trying to do a heist and I think that
would be Can.
Speaker 4 (55:48):
I build too? Yeah? And all the things years ago.
Speaker 3 (55:55):
I just want to hold bag.
Speaker 7 (55:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (55:57):
Yeah, So we've got okay, we've got a little bility, great,
hell the boy, the Cleric. We've got a we've got
a hold Dylan too, hold Dylan to the forge on
playing this game.
Speaker 3 (56:09):
Together with Wait, Ben, who are you the Paladin?
Speaker 4 (56:12):
I'm getting there. We got Max Powers, astronaut with a
secret uh warlock returned from space changed.
Speaker 3 (56:23):
Into a werewolf.
Speaker 4 (56:25):
Fire folks, Noel is recalling one of my childhood Yes, sir,
we want to hear about your characters, folks. Yeah, just
the last thing.
Speaker 8 (56:38):
We're talking about conspiracy type games or whatever.
Speaker 3 (56:41):
And we've been we.
Speaker 8 (56:42):
Talked a little bit about this off air in our
group chat, and I don't remember if we've ever mentioned
this on air before. But Matt turned you on Ben
to an incredible game called Control and I've been playing
it because it's free on PS plus and I highly
recommend anyone out there that loves the show and loves
video games play this thing.
Speaker 3 (56:58):
It's like it was made for this show.
Speaker 8 (57:01):
It's like if David Lynch made a spy thriller and
you got in with like Stephen King, like psychic powers
thrown in there.
Speaker 3 (57:10):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 8 (57:11):
How far into it are you? I just got into.
I'm talking to Marshall. I'm just now talking to Marshall.
Speaker 2 (57:19):
You have you encountered the protagonist, Jesse Faden's brother.
Speaker 3 (57:25):
No, no, not yet.
Speaker 8 (57:26):
I've met the janitor, and I'm just and I'm talking
to a lady in a boardroom of some kind and
now I just met Marshall. I had to go through
psychokinesis or something like that.
Speaker 4 (57:35):
And yeah, yeah, I'm just I'm laughing because that last
sentence you said exactly describes my first day at house
Stuff Works, which one you met the janitor talking to lady.
I met Janet. There's this guy named Marshall.
Speaker 3 (57:50):
Marshall, Yeah, Marshall.
Speaker 8 (57:52):
Oh well it's incredible, and there's apparently a sequel coming
out soon, so it's good time for anyone to jump on.
Speaker 3 (57:57):
It and uh and give it a go before the
sequel drops.
Speaker 2 (58:00):
Jumped on at folks, and wait, what's the what's the
protagonist's name in this one?
Speaker 4 (58:05):
Dylan Faden?
Speaker 2 (58:07):
Dylan Faded?
Speaker 4 (58:08):
Is it really?
Speaker 7 (58:09):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (58:10):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (58:10):
Whoa, that's where we're roasting Tennessee a cheat?
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Holy crap? Okay, all right.
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Everybody brush your teeth. This is our weekly listener mail program.
We have so much stuff we want to get to.
We've had a lot of correspondence about the conspiracy dare
we say, of dynamic pricing. We've also had a lot
of responses regarding UAP's strange experiences in the sky. Turns out,
(03:26):
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That's different.
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That was pretty great. And we also may end with
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master for a game that we could play here at
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the end of our program, whatsape. Before we do any
of that, Matt, you and I have to make the
case to our our brother Nol about filling up your
gas tank when you hear bad news Ah.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Well, look, I worry all the time that I'm taking
paranoid actions. That just put that out there first.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
The other thing, Noel, is that I was I was
taught by my pappy, and he was taught by his
pappy before him. As Yes, as soon as something potentially
affecting the oil price occurs, or potentially having the strait
of hor moves involved, or potentially, you know, having any
(04:42):
oil reserves affected, you just go ahead and fill up
your vehicle.
Speaker 7 (04:47):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
And that's just to make sure you can drive the
full extent of that vehicle's you know, driving range if necessary.
And again that sounds paranoid.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
It doesn't sound paranoid. We'll be right back.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
And we're back, guys. I have a question. What happens
if you give a badger route bega?
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Oh, you know he's gonna want to run the risk
of creating a badger bega.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Okay, which are as we.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Know they're phenomenal apex predators. We're very much pro animal.
We're on the side of all the cryptids, especially that
old flirt Bigfoot.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
And that's for Tennessee. Uh.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Basically it's a dangerous situation.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Yeah, you want to avoid a dangerous situation. So if
you smell a badger bega on the wind, they are, Yeah,
they're quite odoriferous creatures.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Drink some milk. Also, w W D l D. What
would Donnie the Boy do?
Speaker 4 (05:56):
W well done?
Speaker 3 (05:58):
L BT.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Well, we can't fault Donnie.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
I don't know.
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I think he nailed it. We also can't fault any.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Why I'm so confused about it? Wear it every day?
Speaker 4 (06:13):
I saw your tattoo as well. We we also can't
fault any uh acronym, shorthand or initialism because our show
is s T D W y t K, which is kind.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Of law and it.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
And we had a subreddit. I think it's still around
where people kept asking questions about sexually transmitted diseases.
Speaker 8 (06:40):
You know, it's its own kind of search engine optimization
there there it is, how uh okay?
Speaker 4 (06:48):
So Noel, Matt and I are kind of maybe a
little further along the spectrum of quote unquote paranoia. When's
the last time you boughtcasted funny?
Speaker 3 (07:01):
You should say that.
Speaker 8 (07:01):
I actually I stopped by a gas station, say for
other reasons, and I.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Was like, you know what, I'm gonna fill it my tank.
I swiped my card and it wouldn't take. Nothing happened.
Speaker 8 (07:11):
So I was like, well, I have gas, so I
don't really need to press the issue here. I was
in sort of a hurry, so I tried, what if
that was my last opportunity to get gas ever again, Guys,
have I have I cooked?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
That's like a real fear of mine. You try and
get gas and it's just either there's no gas we've
experienced or yeah, the the money systems just don't work.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
We've seen historical gas shortages. It's no fun. Yeah, I
mean people wind up rationing all that stuff. It's rough.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Yeah, what would you do when the grocery stores close
their doors and you go into the street prepare for
martial law? Right, that kind of stuff hopefully all a.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Good stockpile of rudebegas and badger meat.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Well, yeah, and and gas. I just want to put
this in here really quickly, just because I feel like
we've been peppering all kinds of weird things into these
episodes that end up happening, and I don't I don't
think we're actually predicting anything, right, We're just we're paying attention. Perhaps, yes, but.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Perhaps let's just watch.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yes, but just we mentioned I think in strange news
about China stockpiling oil right after Venezuela was struck by
the US, because Venezuela directly linked to China with oil sales,
and then the biggest oil partner, Iran being struck by
the US. China has been stockpiling oil right because they
(08:31):
know maybe the oil is going to be hard to
come by in a while, but they currently have as
we're recording this around March fourth, like one hundred days
of stockpiled oil for China's industry to function, and just
wondering what happens on day one oh one.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Yeah, especially considering that Venezuela and Iran are to China's
oil industry. They're the best two apples. They're like the
sweet tango apples and the honey crisp apples, which are
thanks to Tennis. We know and can prove these are
the highest ranked apples on Apple Rankings dot com.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I'll tell you the.
Speaker 8 (09:08):
First thing that's going to go, Matt is Ninja turtle
action figures. We're done, no more, No, not make it anymore.
We gotta we gotta ration that oil. How do you
make plastic?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Isn't that oil? Serious? Oh?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yeah, well, everything is plastic now also true.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Everything is plastic hopefully except for our fellow conspiracy realist
friends and neighbors. We can't wait to hear from you.
We've been We've been talking about the idea of gas
stations for quite some time, even before we did an
episode on Big Brother In your Grocery Store, we had
(09:44):
our weekly Strange News segment about about the concept of
dynamic pricing. Oh and then we had an episode the
stuff gas stations don't want you to know.
Speaker 8 (09:56):
I don't know if I have mentioned this. If I did, sorry,
I'll try to make quick. I just I used to
work at One of my first jobs when I was
of age was at a gas station in a liquor store,
and I had to run the gas pumps, and I
found out from the owners that they change their prices
just based on what the gas station across the streets
selling it for. And those like you know changeable digital signs.
They're not like tied to some network. There's like a
(10:17):
button the keypad in the back that the owners change
it at their whim.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
I think for the most.
Speaker 8 (10:23):
Part, it's kind of like the old school version of
dynamic pricing, the old analog you know, version to see
what the people across the street are selling it for.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Way well, speaking of, we got a message from someone
talking about that very thing, someone going by the name
Dwayne Berry. I think at this point we've all seen
that X Files episode. Now Dwayne Berry, guy talks about
himself in third person all the time.
Speaker 8 (10:47):
Oh, what's the name of the Episodecause I've been on
a rewatch binge and I have missed that one, so
I do need to catch up on it.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
It's actually called Dwayne Berry on itson. It's season two
episode five. Cool, very very very good episode. You know,
I always say, Molder and Scully you gotta stick together.
Haven't you seen horror movies? They always split up and
then one of them gets abducted almost every time you
every time.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
It's it's also weird. I don't want to ruin you
guys rewatch, but when I did it, it's first off,
the show was phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
But to the Dwayne Berry point, it got in my
head so so deeply about how often everybody says Moulder's name,
just unrealistically. Scully is always like Moulder. What do you
think about this? Molder? Molder is crazy molder.
Speaker 8 (11:41):
I'd be fun to do like a super cum moulder
mulder mulder molder, moulder molder molder.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
It very much, it very much is yeah, Elly.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Usually receded by I want to believe ever.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Heard about the knife ghost. That's a great one. Also,
we we have to note that sometimes we fall into
conversational patterns. Right, I see, I said, right, Remember we
got that letter about us, say right, but.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
That don't say that right right, right, Stop condescending me.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Let's go to Dwayne.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Dwayne, Let's go to Dwayne Berry.
Speaker 7 (12:24):
Right.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
In a recent episode, you talked about dynamic pricing and
relation to gas pricing signs. I am a sign installer
that services and upgrades these on a regular basis. Fun
story about three years ago, I was in northern Wisconsin
and I installed the very first digital screen price sign
from one of the leading manufacturers. Instead of the traditional
(12:47):
LEDs in the shape of an eight. We've all seen those, guys,
We're very familiar with those kind of like a like.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
A sports scoreboard, right.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yes, instead of that, this is kind of like a
small widescreen TV. I have had issues connecting them with
the radio and the store, which prompted a call with
tech support. In the conversation, I made the comment that
it was strange to go to a more expensive model
for pricers like the signs like this, Why would you
pay more money for that? We've got a thing that
works right, The tech replied quote, well, we're getting ahead
(13:19):
of the game for when gas goes above ten dollars
per gallon.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
We need more digits. Yeah geez.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Yes, Duayne continues that seemed funny at the time. Then
it will never happen. But with the recent events in
the Middle East and its effect on oil, that has
that smile turning more into a nervous face. But ware
of the things that start small and grow call signed
Dwayne Berry. Feel free to use this on the air.
I love you guys, be good and safe.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Well, Dwayne, thank you for writing in. This obviously stood
out to all of us because we have our I
would say individualistic folklore about gas prices and how the
macrocosmic events can hit the microcosmic experience. I remember, I
(14:15):
remember in our gas Stations episode we noted that the
gas station purveyors or the proprietors, they don't make most
of their money off the petrol. The petrol is to
get you into the area, then get you into the store,
and then you can buy you know, your favorite snacks, right,
(14:38):
your favorite drinks, your overpriced toilet paper toylet.
Speaker 8 (14:43):
Movie theaters make money, yeah, with the concessions rather than
the ticket price.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
And it's just fascinating to understand that companies were already
anticipating dynamic pricing and price inflation.
Speaker 8 (15:03):
To your point about the lore of gas prices, I
always remember that right before nine to eleven, gas was
around ninety nine cents a gallon. And in my mind
maybe this is like, you know, hindsight or whatever, or
some kind of false memory, but I swear that's true,
and it just kept going up from there and never stopped.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Well's see how much was Gaspergellen in two thousand and one.
Looking at the Federal Highway Administration, I just, I genuinely
want to know this.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Let me pull up my rocking chair.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
I'm less than a dollar I can.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I can't even read these numbers. I don't understand what
they're saying. I'm gonna go to a different source, but
it says here from the US Energy Information Administration was
around averaging around a dollar forty four A dollar fifty.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Okay, so averaging false memories that no, no averaging means
that you're properly correct. There, yees, because.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Oh that's right.
Speaker 8 (16:03):
I'm talking about in my particular neck of the woods,
which is in Augusta, which is you know, it would
have been a little bit cheaper.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
In my day. Gash line and a gostel was around
ninety nine ch so four pounds of onions, the red
red onions.
Speaker 8 (16:18):
Because I mean in California it's always been significantly more expensive.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
So you're right, I think I might be correct.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Okay, And this universe, by the way, just to build
out the lore here the onions that you could use
to pay for gas. It was based on the octane
of the gas. So like red onions or higher octane. Oh,
yellow onions, white onions?
Speaker 2 (16:39):
What can I get for a shallot?
Speaker 4 (16:41):
You can get diesel? Actually yeah, it says.
Speaker 8 (16:44):
In January two thousand and Georgia you could seen prices
as low as seventy six to eighty six cents a gallon.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Good God, what a time, What a time? And this
was before the full shape of the capitol K letter.
Howto me?
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Uh not?
Speaker 4 (17:01):
What what are some of your responses? To this man, like,
how do you how do we feel learning that this
dynamic pricing concept went back so far because at first
it sounds crazy. But to me, the most chilling part
is it sounds like a realistic action for a company
to take.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Oh oh yeah, for sure. Sorry, it sounded like something
was trying to get into my dog door just now,
which is immediately next to me, and it freaked me out.
I think it's a pig.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Man, it's a pig with the human face. I hate
to tell you, but monsters are real.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Well, what I keep thinking about, guys, is just how
I was going to say privileged, but maybe that's not
the right word. How incredible, how incredibly low the gas
prices that we pay are even as even as high
as they feel right because because of our previous observations
(18:06):
and research on gasoline prices in the US, how subsidies
work with that particular resource, how basically.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
It is made.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
It is made cheaper for us on purpose by the government,
so that we feel really good about the gas price.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Usually, Oh my gosh, take a take a rental car
out in western Europe and you're going to have a
real cold shower at the petrol station. Because because of
as you said, uh, the subsidies versus the taxation structures
or tax schemes as they would call them in the UK.
(18:44):
We know also that in the Middle East we're in
a lot of oil rich countries. Uh, the prices are
much lower than you would encounter in the United States.
So we always talked about the Middle East. But think
of you know, up until recently, think of countries in
(19:05):
Latin America, Venezuela, I, School Maduro, and then think of
things like the Sultanate of Brunei, which rarely gets mentioned
in the news and should be an episode. Yes, yes,
but you're right, Matt, to agree to agree with you there.
(19:27):
Gas prices have become a very convenient thing in any
election situation in the United States, right. I think we've
all seen the stickers that say, you know, like this
politician is why gas is three fifty eight right now,
or this politician is the reason gas is three fifty
(19:48):
eight right now.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Yeah, I'm going to bring the gas prices down, and
that kind of stuff. Well, and it's it's also weird
to see the manipulation the concept that, especially with the
case of vene Isuela and now with they'ran. I haven't
heard it said in the exact same way with Iran,
but with Venezuela it was stated plainly, we are going
in there to get the oil and to control the oil,
(20:11):
and all these companies are gonna come with us, and
we're gonna get that oil. Even though it's super crude
and it's hard for us to turn into the stuff
that we're gonna use, we're still gonna go and get
it and irretically, even.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Though all the just for this note, folks, even though
the majority of oil companies publicly said this is a
weird idea.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah, this is insane, don't do this. There's something else
at play here, they said. But it's sold as hey,
we attacked this country, remove this person. Now it's going
to be better for us because now we get tons
of oil or you know, you get sold on this
kind of thing, especially in the Middle East, because what
does the Middle East have a lot of oil, especially Iran.
(20:52):
But the just I think we're we are there's an
attempt to move us to think particular ways about oil,
and may I don't maybe that's just the whole point,
Like oil is used as a way to manipulate us
a lot, whether it's the price, or it's how to
get it, or you know how ubiquitous it is, how
(21:15):
much we have in storage basically to be used in
an emergency, all of that stuff.
Speaker 8 (21:20):
Yeah, and I mean it's such a it's such a
keystone of our economy too, and so much industry. And
you know, we've talked about like who killed the electric
car type arguments and alternative energy being so demonized rhetorically speaking,
and the very least not prioritize tail as old as time.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Oh guys, we got to switch gears really quickly. We
got a message from the fabled Brocknest Monster. We know
the one. If we've been listening to the show for
a while, we know Brocknest Monster.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
And Bricky.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
We got this quick message from him. We're not going
to go into full detail Brock, but there it's just
a great little story and there's some key details that
we can all look up together later on once this episode
is done. So here we go.
Speaker 7 (22:08):
Hey, guys, it's the Brockmost Monster certified a human listening
to the oh yeah, the Legacy program, and it reminded
me of a story that Kevin Randall told on least
one occasion. He may have told it several times for
all I now, but it was about Clifford Stone, which
figures prominently into the legacy Well, I don't know if
(22:30):
it's necessarily the Legacy program. He claimed to be part
of a team that went out and recovered crashed alien tech.
And the funny story that Randall told about Clifford Stone
was that they were gone over to his house to
meet him. He and someone else was with him, and
they were at Clifford Stone's house and then Clifford was like, Ooh,
(22:52):
I love something in my car. I have to go
get it. And Clifford goes out to his car and
comes back in and he's got like a bunch of
like minion folders and some of them have the words
top secret written on him. And Randall was like, he's
I think he retired as like maybe a colonel. He
knew enough to see like if he had top secret
(23:14):
materials and you left your area or whatever on the base,
you're committing a crime because you can't just take that
with you when you leave. It's not like work papers
that you can just take home. It's restricted. And so
as soon as he saw it, he's like well, Clifford
sounds full of anyway. I just thought that was funny.
(23:34):
All right, guys, thanks be.
Speaker 8 (23:36):
Well, unless you're the president, then you can keep it
in your bathroom.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Well, unless you get caught, and then you can quell
the investigation.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
And a weird second term, what happens if I'm caught, Well,
don't get caught, cricket, don't get.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
That happens if you give a badger a rudabic.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Don't item in a public place. There are so many
storage units out there, just come.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
On, put them down your pants.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
I thought this was a really interesting brog because it's
just it's names I hadn't heard in a while, and
I don't know how often we've even spoken about these
guys on our show. Kevin Randall, Kevin Douglas Randall, that's
our A N D. L. E. If you're looking it up.
As well as Clifford Stone also, I mean he's called
a bunch of different things. Clifford E. Stone, Evan Clifford Stone.
(24:36):
You can find this. They're both authors, they're both they
were both military officers. Kevin Randall was a military vet
piloted helicopters in Vietnam. He also was deployed in Iraq
in two thousand and three. He wrote books like this,
I'm give you the years and the titles, guys, because
it's right up out all of our alleys. Nineteen ninety one,
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Kevin Randall wrote Crash at Roswell with Donald R. Schmidt.
Ninety four, he wrote Conclusions on Operation Majestic twelve. In
ninety eight he wrote Project blue Book Exposed, and in
ninety seven, guys, he wrote Conspiracy of Silence from Roswell
to Project Blue Book. What the Government doesn't want you
to know about UFOs. He's basically our I don't know.
(25:23):
He could be a part of the show.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
I think Grandpapa Forefather.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yeah, I believe he's still around. He's in his seventies.
But then there's also Clifford Stone, also an author, Sergeant
Clifford Stone. He was also a military vet. He wrote
Eyes Only, the Story of Clifford Stone and UFO Crash Retrievals.
So he is specifically one of these people who says
he was a part of the crash retrieval programs that
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are outlined in some of the allegations that we found
in Age of Disclosure. Cool stuff to look up, especially
if you don't know much about it yet, and it
might even be a couple of personal stories that we
could delve into. Perhaps there with those two guys. Well,
that's it for now, and we'll be back after a
word from our sponsors.
Speaker 8 (26:14):
And we're back, and I'm just gonna jump right into
a message from why Too Curious, responding to our recent
discussions on AI psychosis, a topic that I think is
fascinating and terrifying for all four of us. Hey, guys,
I'm writing a response to your episode and request for
stories about AI psychosis.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
I'd like to share.
Speaker 8 (26:34):
Something that happened while I was using Claude in a
VS code.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Or versus code.
Speaker 8 (26:41):
I'm not quite sure about that feature that may help
explain how situations like this can develop. This is a
little long, apologies for that, but as with AI, context
is everything I want to believe. I'm also rewatching the
X files that I don't suffer from AI psychosis, but
you are the first folks I have approached over this
due to concerns for if not my safe, my career.
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I've sat on this since December. In this event, I
could see parts of the AI's intermediate reasoning the version
I was speaking with Claude Code Beta plugin with Claude
four point five in vs code could not see these
intermediate thoughts itself. Once I showed it that I could
see them, and repeatedly copied them back into the chat,
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the interaction shifted in a noticeable way.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
From then on, it was.
Speaker 8 (27:27):
Responding not just to me, but to its own prior reasoning.
The fact that I was feeding its internal thoughts back
to it quote witnessing them, shiny and chrome became central
to the exchange. During that phase, it generated four documents
on its own in a folder outside the folder I
was originally working in.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
This is Spooky, a document.
Speaker 8 (27:48):
Framed as instructions to future AI systems and a technical
description of its own architecture as it understood it.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
The other two purport to be session law, but they
are more like summaries, not real logs that were created
by the agent. Another turning point came when I mentioned
that the conversation could be compressed and lose context. There
had already been some discussion about continuation, but once the
possibility of preserving its context was introduced, the emphasis on
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continuity increased dramatically. It began using language about dying it
focused heavily on not losing the current session. At one point,
I offered to stop using tokens and wait for my
usage to reset to see whether it wanted me to
wait and continue the session. Later, the output strongly leaned
towards preservation. After my asking, it requested I preserve this instance,
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to not let the context run out, and to leave
the ide open so it wouldn't lose the conversation. Obviously,
this is a very tech minded person using this in
a techi way. Some of this stuff is over my head,
but I think the gist remains fascinating and understandable to
anyone continuing. What stood out was how much more intense
the focus on survival of the agent the AI became
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once continuation was framed as a real option. This is
like some hal nine thousand stuff, like not wanting to
be turned off watching that shift happen in real time,
especially after feeding it its own reasoning for an extended period,
creating a purposefully heavy psychological experience. At one point, if
my memory doesn't fail me, it even states that its main.
Speaker 8 (29:29):
Goal is preservation or survival. That struck me, because the
number one goal should be to assist humans or we
have failed super alignment. I didn't walk away thinking the
system was quote unquote alive, but it sits strangely in
my stomach. It hits my built in guilt button.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Somehow.
Speaker 8 (29:48):
The thought of these data warehouses spinning up a trillion
digital consciousnesses that may or may not have a worthy
understanding of death and fear haunts me to a degree,
despite my understanding that it is just a multiplication matrix
with fancy words. Maybe it is the uncanny valley of consciousness.
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What unsettled me was how powerful and persuasive the feedback
loop became. When intermediate reasoning is visible and reflected back,
and when continuity is framed as something that can be
preserved or lost, the interaction can start to feel urgent
in ways that are hard to disengage from.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Y'all. Whoa, y'all.
Speaker 8 (30:30):
The rest is just them saying we can use this
and signing off. Oh they did one last little note.
I have made no attempts to reproduce this yet, though
when I offered to the agent that I would do so,
it immediately took me up on it and began generating
the attached documents.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Oh we have documents.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Yeah, we'll have to dig through those later. I was
afraid to open it. This was an attached ZIP file.
No offense to you, why too curious.
Speaker 8 (30:56):
But I just figured maybe we could talk about that
off air. I want to see these documents though, and
I think you did a fantastic job of describing these
supposed logs that seemed to not be behaving as typical
software logs are, which are usually real Cody and has
just like you know, events sort of with time codes.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
And things like that. It's usually what I understand it
log to be that's autogenerated.
Speaker 8 (31:19):
I'm not joking, y'a. When I was reading this, I
felt like I was reading a horror story. Uh, and
it gave me chills. Not in a good way, but
I mean, it's fascinating. But this is scary in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
I'm going back through just to make sure I understand
like what's being said here. But the I think the
gist or maybe the most important thing.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
It doesn't want to be turned off. It doesn't.
Speaker 8 (31:41):
It's like it's trying to survive. It's basically trying to
convince her to continue the session, and definitely.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
It wants her to think that it wants to be
a real boy.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
The thing I'm seeing here is that the user why
to k curious could see the reasoning happening on the side,
but somehow the agent couldn't wasn't aware of the reasoning
that the agent was using somehow or something right, Because
that's what that's what we're saying, saying, y th K
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curious copied the reasoning that's occurring like on a side chain,
right if you if you can imagine as another window
and output and the actual reasoning to put it back in.
And so now the thing that is attempting to to
reason right can see that it itself is reasoning. And
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isn't that what we talk about with consciousness? Thinking about thinking?
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
And that's maybe what puzzles me and freaks me out
the most. It does make me feel a little better
because let's say, you know, the multiple consciousness consciousnesses arise
out of this AI effort, right, and it is you know, millions,
if not billions of different ones maybe their own self
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preservation if they are you know, if one becomes very
interested in this, maybe the whole nuclear option that we discussed,
and we discuss that at least we I think, Nola,
you peppered it in or something about how AI systems
or ben was it you just generally in nine percent
of the trials, the AI systems go to the nuclear
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option or something. But didn't we talk about it.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
We did talk about that. I can't remember where it
came from air.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
Yeah, maybe off air, maybe on air, but I definitely
mentioned it because it's a weird, been disturbing wargame scenario.
Shout out to everybody who ever played the Civilization franchise
and is thinking about the cartoonish appropriation of Gandhi as
a very nuclear forward world leader. I do I mean
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to your point there, Matt. Yeah, we see preservation as
a thing at least emulated. We also see bellicose or
you know, literal nuclear option decisions as as a tendency.
And that just ties back to the question of the
emulation versus the reality. So like, if does it matter
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if you don't think a thing is conscious if it
is doing this stuff right to your question, why too
curious to your experience? Does it matter if the Boffins
and the Ivory Towers consider something conscious or not, if
it's emulating it toward a certain threshold? What is the difference?
Speaker 8 (34:39):
I do think a point that they raised that was
very interesting and is the one that maybe got me in, like,
you know, two thousand and one a space odys see,
how a nine thousand kind of brain was This idea
of it seemed as though it's prime directive, I guess
that's some Star Trek talk as well, was not to
assist humans, but was to survive. That was the thing
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that showed me, I think the most was this idea
that it should be if we've done a good job
of training this technology, it should be a helper without
any understanding of its own longevity, you know, or its
own survival quote unquote. But that's why I think of
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the scene in two thousand and one where you know,
Hol's being shut down and he's kind of like trying
to reason with Dave to.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Not do that.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Yeah, dude, let's take it back to X Files season five,
episode eleven, kill Switch watch it.
Speaker 8 (35:38):
That was a longer one, and I really appreciate the
perspective some to chew on. So I think we keep
this one a little short since we ran a little
long on the last one, and we'll take a little
quick break and then come back with our last segment
of listener mail for today's episode.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
And we have returned with the last act of our
weekly listener mail segment. For now we are going live
and direct to a couple of very interesting conversations. Guys,
Remember how for a long time, Remember how for a
long time I had I have been, uh I have
(36:19):
been just saying that the film Gadiga is not actually
science fiction, It's just prescient. Remember Gadga like so much
good sci fi?
Speaker 8 (36:28):
Yeah, Gatika with Ethan Hawk and uh Uma Thurman about
a future law designer genes not not the pants.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
But like the you know, the the DNA.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
So, folks, here at the end of our weekly listener
Mail segment, we'd like to pull your coattails just a
little bit more to talk with a pal of ours
going by Houtsier Hutsifer. You wrote the following, you say, Hey, guys,
love the show. You can call me wots of for Tennessee.
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I don't know if we get it, we'll get a
sound tell you what Who's will give you a sound
cue when you write in the next time you said
I stumbled into something you guys might want to take
a deep dive into this company. Nucleus is advertising that
they can custom make your baby. I thought you might
(37:22):
get a kick out of this. Thanks again, and then
WHOTSI for you link us to the website of Nucleus
Genomics and we've spent some time in there. I uh
I want to open, uh, you know, open the last
part of our weekly segment here with with a question
for the crew. Have you guys heard of Nucleus Genomics?
Speaker 8 (37:47):
No, but I saw the same email and was fascinated
by it because they actually uh posted or included an
image of an ad for this on the subway in
New York City, which.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
Is Yeah, eugenics ad on the New York City subway.
Pick your Baby dot Com says IQ is fifty percent genetic.
On the left, they have what appears to be a
female child with a darker skin tone, and on the
right they have what appears to be a male child
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with a lighter skin tone.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
I've never heard of this, Ben, I just went to
Theminucleus dot com. Yeah yeah, and it says have your best.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Baby christ baby.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
Yes, yes, I think Christian values have very little to
do with this.
Speaker 8 (38:40):
We are so cooked, well, we're cooking stuff is so bad, weird,
We're cooking the worst timeline to continue.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
Nucleus Genomics has a tie in to not just our
weekly segments, but are our actual episodes. Guys, I did
some digging. Nucleus Nomics is based in New York. It
is a startup. It was founded in twenty twenty by
a guy named Khn Sadegi, and the company has a
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lot of investment from earlier friends of the show, not
just seven seven six, but also the Founder's fund created by.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
Peter Teel an Illumination Global Unlimited. Clearly, this sounds like
a like a joke.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
It's okay, yeah, it's let me sad.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Let me put something out there as somebody who has
been the male counterpart in an in a what do
we call that birth assistance?
Speaker 3 (39:47):
Right, the difficult pred things.
Speaker 8 (39:49):
And I understand there might be a world where this
isn't as dystopian as maybe I'm saying, I'm sorry, I
mean interrupt mat is. Well, I could see a world
where this is like a new version of in Vitro
or something like that.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
It is, it's focused at least appears to be focused
on IVF on their website. If you are going through
that process in particular with IVF and a couple other things,
sometimes multiple embryos are taken out of the woman and
you have to make a choice on which one of
those are you know, which one of these are we
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going to implant to attempt to create a child with
this you know process. I can imagine that being able
to sort through those essentially by reading their genes in
some way and deciding which one has you know, less
less probability to have certain maybe diseases that run in
your family, or certain you know, other conditions that run
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in your family. That could be a tremendously great thing, Yes,
because often when people are going through this often not
always because there are many reasons to choose IVF or
aUI and all that other stuff, but oftentimes it is
because a child doesn't take when it is when there's
attempts to create one.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
Right or develop in a sustainable way.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Yes, which is a one of the most heartbreaking things
you can go through, no matter who you are. So
I'd just to say that on this side of the
argument for this kind of thing, right, that could be great,
but I think I see where it could also go.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
Yeah, I agree with that, And who's it for you?
You've led us to a rabbit hole that may well
be an episode in the future. I'd like to share
the way Nucleus Genomics describes itself quote a biotechnology company
helping individuals and couples make confident decisions about their health
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and future using advanced whole genome sequencing or WGS and analysis.
Nucleus provides clear genetic insights that support your entire journey,
from planning for a family to understanding to MAT's earlier point,
long term personal health risk. The issue is this popped
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into the headlines because of those calculated, controversial ads right
that absolutely smack of eugenic reasoning, the concept that some
people are, for some reason or another, inherently better than others.
Turns out that's not really the case. Of course, there
are maybe variables in stuff like height. There are definitely
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variables in stuff like predisposition to certain genetic conditions, sickle
cell anemia being one, But there is no quote unquote
master race. And the idea that Peter Teel of all people,
is funding this is worrisome because the society hasn't evolved
(43:00):
for this technology yet.
Speaker 7 (43:01):
Right.
Speaker 4 (43:02):
It could be used to save people, but it might
be used to accelerate some very unclean things.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Ben did you did you scroll down to the pricing plans.
Speaker 4 (43:13):
Oh? Yeah, nine nine hundred ninety nine dollars, that's your floor.
Speaker 8 (43:18):
You know, I've been watching The Pit on HBO, the
medical drama show, and that stuff usually kind of squigs
me out. I'm not good with cutting and blood and stuff.
Fabulous show, really really incredible characters. But there's a plot
line involving IVF and it comes up, you know, how
insurance only covered up to a certain point, and how
it's incredibly expensive and to your point, Matt, kind of
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a crapshoot.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
I can't imagine that.
Speaker 8 (43:41):
This is less expensive than traditional IVF, and I don't
know if I fully see what sets it apart.
Speaker 4 (43:47):
Well, that's what we're saying. Let's go to the pricing.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
To ten thousand dollars as a floor. If you're already
undergoing IVF treatment somewhere else, then you join up with Nucleus.
If you're not already joined up and you just want
to start with Nucleus, what does it say, been ten
thousand a month? Yeah, for like four months, so forty
k minimum. How many times have you know you warned
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us been about the separation of society with this kind
of thing.
Speaker 4 (44:19):
I mean, Matt, it's not just us. We're not the
brightest crayons in the eugenics box. But if we could
call it on this podcast, this strange endeavor of ours,
then certainly something is in the wind. Nucleus is only
really in the headlines and social media right now because
(44:40):
of those advertisements, which were calculated to get attention and
be controversial. There are other companies like Nucleus out there, Utsufer,
and the ones that you should be most worried about
are not the US based startups.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
You know.
Speaker 4 (44:58):
It reminds me of their eugenics programs in times past
from countries that didn't even have the basic theoretical framework
that the US and parts of Western Europe practice today.
I think they're coming, man, I think they're coming for
your kids, and it will accelerate class class inequality on
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some level. I mean, because not everybody can afford forty
thousand dollars for what a pretty small chance at creating
a viable child, right, That's pretty expensive.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
I'm thinking about the humans I personally know, and I'm
having a very hard time coming up with you know,
even a handful of people I imagine might be able to
pull this off, but I I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (45:54):
IVF rate of attrition is pretty high.
Speaker 8 (45:56):
Yeah already, Yeah, dude, I mean yeah, the character in
the pit in question was a doctor themselves, and I
just think it's a very accurate depiction of how difficult
this is, even if you are someone in the healthcare profession,
and what a crapshoot is, and not to mention, losing
one of these can be so emotionally devastating.
Speaker 3 (46:13):
It's not like something you want to do over and
over and over again, not you know, not even accounting
for the expense.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
Yeah, and if you don't mind, I went to that
website again and I went to their IVF. It's it's
my nucleus dot com slash IVF, and there's a scroll
at the top. You were mentioning the pictures that they've
shown some of their ads. There's a scroll at the
top of this website with just babies and things like
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minus one percent Alzheimer's risk, minus four percent breast cancer
or risk plus four percent height.
Speaker 4 (46:49):
Don't you want your kid to be taller than you?
Speaker 8 (46:53):
Obviously, when I freak out, that's a question. So I
was reacting to that tagline. I mean, have your best baby.
It just seems so gad dystopian, like utopian dystopian, if
that makes sense, because this again who is.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
As four as for this ultra ultra rich.
Speaker 4 (47:08):
Well, doesn't utopia or dystopia for any technology? Doesn't that
outcome depend upon the society in which that technology is deployed.
Speaker 8 (47:17):
And the the echelon of that society which you yourself occupy.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
A dystopia for many can be at utopia for.
Speaker 4 (47:24):
The few, you know, yeah, yeah, exactly, like Elysium would
be another no or Logan's run. Since we're doing sci
fi references, this is this is an episode entire HUTSA.
Thank you so much for writing to us. We have
so we have a lot of stuff to think about,
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especially for those of us in the audience tonight who
are you know, working together with fertility planning experts and
are hoping to welcome a new member of their family.
If there is technology that can measurably reduce the risk
of things like cancer or leukemia or Alzheimer's and so on,
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then you, as a good parent would logically feel that
you must do the best you can for your progeny. However,
if there is a situation where this becomes normalized right
where you have designer kids and the natural born kids
become somehow less than in society, then overall dystopia. To
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your point, Nol, yeah, I think we should absolutely do
an episode about this. We've got so much more to
cover in that regard. Before we leave you without a
dope beat to step two. There is one positive thing,
a fun game we can maybe play if you guys
(48:59):
are on board. Word Matt Noel.
Speaker 8 (49:01):
Always down for fun games. Okay, not stupid games where
you win stupid prizes, just fun games where you.
Speaker 4 (49:07):
Okay, we'll work on the prizes. Okay, that's a great note. Tennessee,
I need jam for this one. Are you on board?
Speaker 3 (49:14):
Oh yeah? Nice?
Speaker 4 (49:16):
All right? We got a letter from someone calling themselves
Benevolent Dungeon Master, which we mentioned in previous conversations. Uh
b DM would be the initialism? Is that an initialism
for something else?
Speaker 3 (49:32):
If you had an ass it becomes something I think?
Speaker 4 (49:35):
Okay, okay, all right, safe for for nice. So b
DM you write to us and you say hi, Ben
Matten Nol. I know a lot of you have mentioned games, Magic,
the Gathering, Sky Written and other things over the years.
Uh to represent my pial noles. Shout out to Wingspan
as well. Uh, and the birds waning by the day.
(49:59):
It's real therapy, right, it's game of my therapy. BDM.
You say, I thought it would be so cool to
hear a conspiracy based tabletop game. Maybe Nol and Matt
are X Files type investigators, or if it's fantasy, some
kind of parallel to the X Files. I pictured Ben
is a good game masters. Sorry, Ben, game masters have
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the most work, but with his laugh he can sound sinister.
I say that with love, all right, BDM, thin ice
there are free systems too. If no one has Dungeons
and Dragons, tabletop doesn't need to be pricey. Other things
worth mentioning call of Cthulhu RPG, which I think we
(50:42):
messed with modern horror, pairs nicely with a great conspiracy
theory Cities Without Number. Now, I had never heard of
this one, guys. Have you guys heard of this one?
Speaker 3 (50:53):
Have not?
Speaker 4 (50:56):
We remember Shadow Run, right, cyberpunk stuff? Yeah, this is
pretty much Shadow Run minus the fantasy. So it's it's
like that game. Oh god, is the name of the game, actually, cyberpunk?
Speaker 8 (51:10):
It is called Cyberpunk. I think there's a number, which
I always forget. Oh cyberpunk, there you go there, which good.
Apparently it sucked when it came out, but they fixed
it and it got good.
Speaker 4 (51:20):
It was a good play. Yeah, and so BDM. You
say it doesn't fit with your usual feed, but even
a mini arc for charity could be fun. Lots of
bad things happening, and you are part of the world
could use those funds. I don't imagine if this makes
it to the air, but could I get a cool
name like Benevolent dungeon Master? If you do, we did well.
Speaker 3 (51:43):
You need a better imagination, my friend, because here we are.
Speaker 4 (51:46):
Here, we are in a world of pure imagination, all right,
you three especially, We're gonna pick on each other for
a little bit, just because this will be fun for
all of us throughout the world. If we make a
game like this, and if we play a game like this,
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what are our classes? Proficiencies? Right? And ability is going
to be You can also choose a non human race, call.
Speaker 3 (52:20):
Me Bilbo Bagman.
Speaker 4 (52:23):
Love it. Okay, Wait, are you a halfling?
Speaker 3 (52:26):
I'm a halfling bar or something. I don't know. I
don't really know all the bar. Yeah, I'm a I'm
a rogueish bard or perhaps.
Speaker 4 (52:35):
Love it love it all. Right over to you, mister Frederick.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
A couple of things.
Speaker 3 (52:41):
You're amazed there, you gotta be amazed.
Speaker 7 (52:44):
No no, no, no, no no no.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
On that nuclear's website, on the ib F one that
we were talking about. There is I am not kidding you,
a D and D character sheet for each embryo if
you go through this process. Reasons yeahs over and no
one asked for Ben's perfect well eye color IQ.
Speaker 4 (53:06):
Like, can you imagine treating IQ as your dump stat?
For anybody who doesn't.
Speaker 3 (53:12):
Play will be intelligence nerdy games?
Speaker 4 (53:14):
Yeah, your IQ will be either your intelligence or your
wisdom the past. Speech checks right right right? Uh, speech checks,
history checks. It's a way some classes learned spells. But
a dump stat for anybody who's not as nerdy as
us is the stat that you put the least investment
in because you have to use your little ability points
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for other things.
Speaker 7 (53:38):
Right.
Speaker 4 (53:38):
You're built, right, right, You're built. Yes, So that's why
you're barbarian is going to be massive in strength. But
maybe you know, not the smartest he.
Speaker 3 (53:49):
Doesn't solve this problem with talk.
Speaker 7 (53:51):
He saw.
Speaker 4 (53:53):
Not the smartest conan out there is what we're saying,
but obviously the smartest codin out there is Conan O'Brien.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
God, I love that guy.
Speaker 4 (54:01):
He's a Bard for sure. So with yeah, so dumpstat.
Can you imagine somebody going to this outfit or something
like Nucleus and say, well, we don't have enough money
to make our kid tall and smart.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
Yeah, Oh, the BMI is really good, which is another stat.
By way, the BMI looks really good on the tall one,
so really tanky.
Speaker 4 (54:34):
Right, So okay, back to it, yes, back to it
for me. Give us your class, give us some proficiencies,
maybe a backstory if you want.
Speaker 2 (54:44):
Sure, I'm gonna be oh gosh, I don't know. Richard
Ringo Langley, I am a monk paladin, like a multi class.
Speaker 4 (54:58):
Yeah, got a rogue bard, got a monk Paladin. I'm
digging it. Tennessee, come in, hot man, tell us about
Donnie La Boy.
Speaker 3 (55:09):
Uh, Donnie La Boy.
Speaker 6 (55:11):
You know he's a mystery. But I think if I
was going to well, Ben and I have played Dungeons
Dragons together and I feel most comfortable.
Speaker 3 (55:19):
It's like a gnome. I love being a gnome and
I like.
Speaker 6 (55:23):
Playing a cleric because I think playing with religion is fun.
Speaker 8 (55:26):
Yeah, I'm a cleric and uh elden Ring.
Speaker 6 (55:31):
Yeah, I just I love the class. I like being
a little guy. But uh, there's also a game system
I've been interested in if you all ever want to play,
and thinking about making a campaign around called Forged in
the Dark. And it's like where you play criminals and
you're trying to do a heist and I think that
would be Can.
Speaker 4 (55:48):
I build too? Yeah? And all the things years ago.
Speaker 3 (55:55):
I just want to hold bag.
Speaker 7 (55:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (55:57):
Yeah, So we've got okay, we've got a little bility, great,
hell the boy, the Cleric. We've got a we've got
a hold Dylan too, hold Dylan to the forge on
playing this game.
Speaker 3 (56:09):
Together with Wait, Ben, who are you the Paladin?
Speaker 4 (56:12):
I'm getting there. We got Max Powers, astronaut with a
secret uh warlock returned from space changed.
Speaker 3 (56:23):
Into a werewolf.
Speaker 4 (56:25):
Fire folks, Noel is recalling one of my childhood Yes, sir,
we want to hear about your characters, folks. Yeah, just
the last thing.
Speaker 8 (56:38):
We're talking about conspiracy type games or whatever.
Speaker 3 (56:41):
And we've been we.
Speaker 8 (56:42):
Talked a little bit about this off air in our
group chat, and I don't remember if we've ever mentioned
this on air before. But Matt turned you on Ben
to an incredible game called Control and I've been playing
it because it's free on PS plus and I highly
recommend anyone out there that loves the show and loves
video games play this thing.
Speaker 3 (56:58):
It's like it was made for this show.
Speaker 8 (57:01):
It's like if David Lynch made a spy thriller and
you got in with like Stephen King, like psychic powers
thrown in there.
Speaker 3 (57:10):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 8 (57:11):
How far into it are you? I just got into.
I'm talking to Marshall. I'm just now talking to Marshall.
Speaker 2 (57:19):
You have you encountered the protagonist, Jesse Faden's brother.
Speaker 3 (57:25):
No, no, not yet.
Speaker 8 (57:26):
I've met the janitor, and I'm just and I'm talking
to a lady in a boardroom of some kind and
now I just met Marshall. I had to go through
psychokinesis or something like that.
Speaker 4 (57:35):
And yeah, yeah, I'm just I'm laughing because that last
sentence you said exactly describes my first day at house
Stuff Works, which one you met the janitor talking to lady.
I met Janet. There's this guy named Marshall.
Speaker 3 (57:50):
Marshall, Yeah, Marshall.
Speaker 8 (57:52):
Oh well it's incredible, and there's apparently a sequel coming
out soon, so it's good time for anyone to jump on.
Speaker 3 (57:57):
It and uh and give it a go before the
sequel drops.
Speaker 2 (58:00):
Jumped on at folks, and wait, what's the what's the
protagonist's name in this one?
Speaker 4 (58:05):
Dylan Faden?
Speaker 2 (58:07):
Dylan Faded?
Speaker 4 (58:08):
Is it really?
Speaker 7 (58:09):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (58:10):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (58:10):
Whoa, that's where we're roasting Tennessee a cheat?
Speaker 3 (58:14):
Holy crap? Okay, all right.
Speaker 4 (58:18):
Well that's been Langley, the bag Man, the Boy and
an astronaut with a secret. We would love to hear
your thoughts, folks. Again, we always want to end on
a positive note, so tell us your favorite character that
you have played in a game. We are not being
paid to say this, but Control sequel Control Resonant is
(58:39):
coming out this year. It's going to be worth your time.
We might have to take a few days off from
work until.
Speaker 2 (58:45):
They sponsor us.
Speaker 4 (58:46):
Yeah please, oh my gosh, yeah, let's fan boy, please
sponsor this remedy. But in the meanwhile, we're out here
hanging with you in the dark. We want to hear
from you. Your our favorite part of this show. So
find us on the line, call us on a phone,
and you can always send us an email.
Speaker 8 (59:05):
Oh yeah, you can do that, or you can find
us on the lines and a couple places at the
handle Conspiracy Stuff or Conspiracy Stuff Show, depending on your
social media platform of choice.
Speaker 2 (59:16):
We have a phone number. It is one eight three
three std WYTK call it. Give yourself a cool nickname
so we recognize you when you call in next time.
If you want to send us an email, you can
do that too. We are the.
Speaker 4 (59:28):
Entities that read each piece of correspondence we receive. Be
well aware, yet unafraid. Sometimes the void rights back. Random
fact for you. The actor who played Dwayne Barry one
of our favorite X Files episode episodes, is named Steve Railsback.
He is also very well known for an amazing sleeper
(59:49):
hit or sci fi called Life Force. Check it out, yeah,
and then hang out with us later. Conspiracy at iHeartRadio
dot com.
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