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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
my name is Noel.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
They call me Ben.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
We're joined as always with our super producer, Dylan the
Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you are you. You are here,
and that makes this the stuff they don't want you
to know. If you are tuning in to our weekly
listener mail program the evening it publishes, we cannot wait
to welcome you to May fourteenth. May the fourteenth be
(00:54):
with you?
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Sure that works?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Why not?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
You know?
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Is that a movie or something? When are we talking here?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Man? I did that like a Joe Montana pass. It
was ugly, but it got over to the goal.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Or a Joe Montana pass in a film. He does.
He's always making passes. Was isn't May the fourth also
May Day? Which is a thing? That's May Day?
Speaker 5 (01:17):
Dan?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Did you guys see the pro the May Day protests?
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Yes? Thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Well see I didn't see much of the news talking
about it too much, at least not showing the full
picture globally of what that is and what it stands.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
I didn't fully understand the historical context of May Day,
and that's just my own lack of plugged inness around
that issue. But could you talk about that a little bit, mad,
I'm curious.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Well, it's just a day that is one day out
of the year. That's not for the owners of countries.
It's for the folks who live in countries and you know,
live in in houses one house. You know, the folks
who work in factories, and the folks who are surviving, yes,
but not so great anymore because of the owners.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
So it's not it's kind of like Labor Day adjacent,
but it's its own thing.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
It's for the people.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
It's International Workers Day as the official name for it.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah, And when we're talking about getting to the root
of these sorts of issues of a ca shaped economy,
of global inequality, of the most important part of this show,
we have to commend you, our fellow conspiracy realist, for
getting to the tubers, the roots, the begos Lou begum.
Speaker 6 (02:38):
When I was six years old, my daddy took me
out in the front yard to look at the night sky,
he said, Grimbly, you see that consolation right there, that's
the little rout de Beeca. From then on I knew
I was going to dedicate my life to this vegetable.
I took a small ten million dollar loan from my daddy,
and over the years I've built a Rudebeca distribution business
worth ten point one million dollars.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
So when I say I have the experience.
Speaker 7 (03:03):
To your Rudebega comptroller, I mean it. And I'm not
one of those fat cats up there in Washington and
they're gold foiled sweet potatoes. I'm Grimbley Wilson, a Rutebega Maverick.
Vote Grimbly Wilson for Rutebega Comptroller.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
I wonder if you approved this message, because I sure do.
Wow of the South, now, Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
What informed that?
Speaker 6 (03:27):
One's just that the comptroller race is heating up?
Speaker 5 (03:32):
Yes, always, always, And why isn't the sweet potatoes are
always in gold foil rather than just like the tinfoil
of a traditional spud.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
It's kind of it's I would argue, it's it's a
marketing thing, similar to how butter is artificially colored yellow.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Better to differentiate the type of potato. You're picking up
when it's on the line, let's say, at a Golden Corral.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Oh, that's a good point.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
That's a good point, to be fair, though, a sweet
potato is much more conical than a not conical you know,
oblong perhaps than traditional.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
It's got attenuated ends.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
It doesn't take you. It comes to little points.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yes, the tapering, right, it tapers just so. We also
are going to pause for just a few minutes so
we can all rewatch that amazing Golden Corral employee education video.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
Hey, well, Johnny, let's go.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
What's the HAPs, buddy, how's the weather? What kind of
piece of meat do you want?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
How about that team?
Speaker 4 (04:33):
How about an end.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
Piece for my favorite guy?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Okay, we're back. This is listener mail. We've got big
Friday energy. We're recording Friday, May eighth, twenty twenty six.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
See the game.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Let's sorry, did you see the sport last night?
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Did you see the game?
Speaker 4 (04:52):
As yes?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Brother, Oh my lord, I've got to send it to you.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
The Rudeberger Report.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Is worth your time. Matt. You'll remember, like years ago
when we were getting a little uh complicated with doing
all these videos, and I revealed to you that we
could have an alternate career where you and Noel and
I just do employee training.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
It's like a sexual harassment training video for roast beef, yes,
and for how to make with the customers.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
And the guy the poor guy's got his dead eyes.
He's doing well. And the mullet on this man, well,
I think that's back in style.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
It's not Golden Coral, though, guys. It's Old Country Buffet.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Which is frank it was always my Golden Frankly, guys,
I I don't really have a history with Golden Corral.
That was much later in life for me. Growing up,
it was all Old Country Buffet.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
I apologize to Old Country Buffet and Golden Corral reluctantly,
but sincerely. I hope you can hear the sincerity in
that apology.
Speaker 7 (06:00):
Well.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
It is kind of funny, though, because there's a handful
of these sort of corporate training videos that have quote
unquote like leaked over the years because.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
It's certainly not meant for public consumption.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
But there's like a Wendy's one from the nineties that's
like really bad wrap.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Teaching customers how to nothing like the Wendy's mixtape.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
It's like how to pour soft drinks correctly or something.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
It's quite fun stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Dylan. You also want to give a shout out to
Ryan's Steakhouse.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Ryan's Family Steakhouse.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
My family was misteaking a steak steak and ale that
was it was an Atlanta thing.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Free baby.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yeah, we obviously love these places that are between sit
down in fast food. We also a.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Secret third thing.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah, they're a third space. Right where do you go
after church? You're going to hang out at your house
like a loser, or you're going to go to the corral.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Ryan's Family Steakhouse.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Matt is doing a very like you get it right there.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
You know it's good if they have a separate station
where they'll cook you.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Sometimes a stir fry station.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Guys, that's a little that's a little news school for me.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
It is a little new school.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
But you will see that sometimes at these very large
Asian buffets that it seems to have gotten popular over
the last handful of years to do these mega mega
mega sushi buffets, and some of them also have like
a soba noodle strove.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Love that, love that, and we love that you have
contacted us, fellow conspiracy realist. We're going to take a
break for a word from our sponsors, and then we'll
get into a conspiracy you haven't heard, and we have returned.
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We are hearing from Orpheus. Fox, Orpheus. You are hipping
us to something that you believe is a conspiracy people
have not heard about. You say, greetings, I'm going to
spill the beans on a government conspiracy. The very few
know the full or real story. In nineteen eighty five,
I was working in several different capacities, deputy sheriff, special
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police officer for the town I live in, moonlighting as
a police dispatcher, but my main gig was a correctional officer.
Twas the night of the premiere of The Terminator on HBO,
I had lucked out and got assigned to the recreation
hole with the inmates doing House of Corrections sentences. Pause there,
(08:33):
real quick. We talked about Terminator off air. We know
that not everybody is acquainted with this amazing franchise. You
know several films in I would put them neck and neck,
maybe with.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
Vibes maybe you know what we talked about, how vibes
is kind of like a poor man's Ghostbusters. Ben Ben
is angry, Ben's fewer I just mean, it's like, clearly
Ghostbusters was a big smash hit, and someone was like,
we can do that only with Cindy Lauper and Jeff Goldbloom,
(09:10):
and it's it's it's.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Kind of Ghostbusters.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
There's like a spooky pyramid kind of thing and like
an ancient evil and they're sort of paranormal investigators, but
it's more vibes based, you know, And I don't get
me wrong, And.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
So what what would you guys say, is the poor
person's Terminator?
Speaker 5 (09:31):
That would be you know, there's a whole bunch of
like fake terminator movies like India that would probably be
the answer to that. Or Robo Cops its own thing,
maybe Robo Cop two.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
We just kind of remember, guys at the heart of it,
because Terminator is not about robots. No, it's about time travel.
Oh well that too, So maybe Terminator is the version
of Back to the Future, the poor Man's back.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
To the Future.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
I think about the production budgets.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
I think also we should stop saying the poor.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Man's I knew you were going to say that, Ben, Dude.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
We did set it up as say the poor Man's
I've just been thinking about the phrase to Noel's point,
you know, you know, I.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
Mean, I think, I think it's tried and true and
we all know what it means, and I'm not giving
it up.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Is like the House of Representatives, the poor Man's.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Come get me, PC police, Yes, come for us.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
If you are going to join Orpheus Fox at this time,
then you are coming for them at a place called
the Plymouth County House of Corrections. It's normally a house
of corrections and jail, fairly tame. But Orpheus says the
county had been approached by the Feds, US marshals and
so on to howse overnight and babysit suicidal high end inmates.
(10:59):
This done because if an inmate was going to federal court,
the closest federal facility would be in Connecticut, which is
several hours in traffic, which affords opportunities for escape. Besides,
Plymouth jail is out of the way. It's a decent
place to hide someone from prying eyes in the cities.
(11:21):
Here's where it gets crazy. That's just us, you say, Orpheus.
One such inmate was Charles Taylor Charlie, as we called him,
was from Liberia. One of the cabinet members in Samuel
Doe's government. Doe had been president of Liberia for years
and to tyrant, Charlie and the other ministers planned a coup,
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that's what we could say. Fortunately, Charles Taylor was in
the United States when Doe purged his offices and the
families of the offenders, so he killed everybody. Liberia then
requested extradiction, which we talked about in an episode previously
on Epstein and Zoro Ranch. Liberia requested that the US
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extradite Charles Taylor. That's how Charlie came to become the
night sweeper of the guard room. Sure it was not
in keeping with policy and procedure, but Charlie was a
nice guy. He did the work for donut and a coffee.
For most of the time, except for meals, telephones, and showers.
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Federal hold inmates were locked up. They were only given
two hours out of the cell, presumably out of every
twenty four hours, so the guards were grumbling. Charlie discussed
it with me, and he said, I set up the
security forces in my country. If I wanted to break
out of this place or leave this place, it would
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be an easy matter for me. But I'm here trying
to find justice for my country. Okay, let's pause there.
We all know who we're talking about, right, Charles Taylor, Liberia.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
What we do now thanks to the dictator?
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Right, yes, yes, very much.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yeah, yeah that guy, yeah, that guy from earlier. It's
Charlie from earlier. So this is strange because, as Orpheus clocks,
Liberia did not have an extradition treaty with the United States.
Liberia accused Charlie of stealing twenty million dollars in gold. Orpheus,
(13:34):
you say you had several conversations with Charlie. He spoke
the King's English, was very educated and insightful, and he
prophesied to Orpheus that in nineteen eighty five certain events
would occur.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
To him.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
This was years before nineteen eighty five. He said, quote,
you see, as long as I am convenient for your government,
they will support me and my claim is in my country.
But when I become inconvenient, they will accuse me of
crimes against humanity and lock me away or kill me.
(14:11):
I don't know, guys, Charlie Taylor, except we're speaking specifically
of course, with Charles MacArthur Gonke Taylor. Orpheus asked why
this guy is just roaming around seemingly free. The officer
that he talks to says, you got to mind your
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business and we're going to will paraphrase some of this.
It turns out that per Orpheus's reports, it came time
for a head count. In one particular night, an officer
came out of his area and he said he was
missing a couple of inmates. So one of the lieutenants
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ran up the stairs to check another officer. They came
out of place that holds twenty four people. That guy
was missing a couple of people as well, and Charlie
Taylor was one of the four people missing, so they
went to figure out what might be going on with
this heist. The four unaccounted inmates have been recaptured within
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twenty four hours, but apparently Charlie was never found, so
I guess that is five people. And they stayed up
all night writing reports trying to figure out what happened.
Everybody at the facility got interrogated by the marshals, and
(15:37):
now Orpheus says, five years later, I'm watching CNN. A
reporter says, we are with the leader of the rebel forces,
Charles Taylor, and there was Charlie wearing a set of
camis with an sixteen US issued rifle. He said, if
they do not give us the country, we will kill
them orpheus. As you know, and as you write, Charlie
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later becomes president of Liberia, remains in office for about
ten years, friends with Muammar Gadaffi. When the US announced
charges against Charles Taylor for crimes against humanity, he lost
power in his country. He ghosted off to Libya for
a minute. When Libya fell, he was captured trying to
(16:24):
sneak out of there. He got arrested, tried by the
World Court.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
He is now.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Serving life due to his convictions in the Hague. So
you or if he has, say that we can fact
check the superficial overview of the story by just googling
Charles Taylor, and you argue that the CIA has their
fingerprints all over it. You end by saying, I understand
(16:51):
the US is supportive of countries trying to be democratic
as long as it is their kind of democracy.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
What do we think?
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Do we think we got a prisoner release here?
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Yes, At least according to the Boston Globe, they're saying
that it actually happened, and it was CIA. He claimed
a trial that CIA agents are the ones that like
officially got him out once they got to Staten Island.
That's the Sorry, this is mind blowing, guys. They're saying
that this is real that. I mean, you can imagine
(17:26):
I suppose right that somebody like Charles Taylor might be
really convenient and helpful if you're trying to get into
the upper echelons of Liberia.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Mm hmm, yeah, tail as old as time right songed,
as old as rhyme.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
Have we talked about yet his tribunal and what he's
been stood accused of.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Oh, he did some of that stuff for.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
You, for sure, for sure, but we're talking about the
horrific acts of sexual violence, forced conscription.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
I believe the child soldiers.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
Yes, all in exchange for these blood diamonds, right, yeah,
or much of There're definitely some dirty deals done in
back rooms involving these commodities.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Were they done dirt cheap?
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Now quite expensive?
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Oh, that's AC and DC together. Once we know that,
we know that it is confirmed. Taylor did flee to
the United States back in the early eighties, but he
was arrested in nineteen eighty four May twenty first by
Deputy marshals and he was originally going to be extradited
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to face embezzlement charges. But you know how it is
when you get in situations. Let's say you're locked up,
and let's say you have the intelligence agency of the
government right that is arresting you or incarcerating you, and
they come to you and they say, hey, buddy, I
get it.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
He can't always bega the ruda, And we'd like to
help you ruda the bega. We've got very get to
the root of the bega, right, We've got some very
interesting opportunities. We've got some very interesting conversations. Maybe we
can help each other out, you know, by the way,
that coffee's on us.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Just think it over, dude.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Yes, it's more on this Boston Globe reporting, they're saying
that the Defense Intelligence Agency came forward and confirmed that
in the nineteen eighties mister Taylor worked with US intelligence.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Yes, that is.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
This goes back to our whole epstein as an asset thing,
and like how much shenaniganry to put lightly is the
government willing to accept in order to get what they want.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
This also goes goes forward to our upcoming episode on
the conspiracy of quote unquote prison escapes or quote unquote
prisoner swaps. It happens more often than you think, folks,
and Noel, I love the you out our previous episode
on child soldiers, which is a very real problem. It's
(20:05):
July two thousand and nine when Taylor is talking to
the World Court and he says, look, the CIA helped
me escape, and then they told me what to do.
And the DA, the US Defense Intelligence Agency, said yeah,
this guy has been working with us, with US intelligence
(20:29):
since back in the nineteen eighties. And they said, well,
what do you mean, what does work with mean? And
they shut it down. They stonewalled it, and they said, well,
we can't give any details of his role. We can't
say what the US did. It's national security, which means
again the silent Cold War on the African continent with Russia,
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to be quite clear.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
Just to backtrack ever so slightly, if you are interested
in learning more and seeing an incredibly compelling depiction of
child soldiers, the film Beasts of No Nation came to mind,
which is directed by Carrie Joji Fukunaga and starring Idris
Elba and it is all about child soldiers in West Africa.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah, and if you want to learn more about Charles Taylor,
you can check out some excellent research. You can check
out some excellent analysis. We're happy to send that to
you if you write to us conspiracydiheartradio dot com. You
can also check out a somewhat biased documentary from just
last year called Betrayal. This explores the brother in law
(21:39):
of Liberian dictator Charles Taylor and how he became a
whistleblower against that. Again, CIA sponsored rashime. And there we
leave it. We have some stuff we're gonna have to
save for next week. Shout out the ancient astronaut chick.
Shout out to people whose cats ghost. We're going to
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pause for a word from our sponsors, and we'll be
back with more listener mail.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
And we've returned guys. Back in April on one of
these listener mail episodes, Ben, you brought a voicemail to
the table from Sergeant Will who was talking about not
necessarily dirigibles, but these rigid flying machines, these airships, these
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huge blimp like although rigid in structure, flying machines that
were oh so popular in Germany for a time as
well as in the United States once the scientists and
folks engineers creating them came over here. These rigid airships
were very strange, and one of the biggest reasons they're
strange is because they're massive. Right in that voicemail, That's
(22:55):
one of the things they talked about, right, just how
huge these things could be because of their design.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yeah, as previously stated in things like car stuff, the airship,
the dirigible, right, whatever we want to call it, is
a phenomenal example of human ingenuity. And for most of
our American listeners, you're going to recognize the blimp's best
(23:21):
by looking at things like the Goodyear blimp, which is
actually kind of hard to get onto. I definitely tried.
You're probably not going to clock the high altitude right.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
Oh, I'm so sorry, guys. I was totally trying to
spacing on when we had talked about this recently, like
using them as surveillance, yes, you know methods. It's also
so interesting that the way oftentimes like sort of retro
futurists sci fi worlds often have like dirigibles just everywhere,
like it's always represented this kind of like futurist thing
(23:53):
that we often consider a little bit dated, but turns.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Out there's a futuristic use for it. It's very good technology,
you guys. The issue is that it's also very easy
technology to attack if we're talking about a commercial use
or a consumer use, because it has to fly low
enough that someone, yeah, that someone could treat it as
what you say, a sit in documents.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Yeah, I mean it is.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
The issue becomes that you have to have public trust
to not ruin that stuff for everyone. So the main
reason helium worries aside, way before helium for healium engagement
became a concern, the main issue was that other people,
rival forces could just attack these things, and so we
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had to figure out how to get them higher and
higher and higher and higher and higher and then turn
them into surveillance craft.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Oh yeah, when you think about these things, one word
may come to mind. Hindenburg. Yeah you may remember that.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Yeah, bad bad times.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Yeah, hydrogen explosives and disaster with the Hindenburg disaster. The
reason we're talking about this is because they're so huge.
The Hindenburg was approximately eight hundred and four feet long.
Try and picture that in your mind how massive that
would actually be to behold. Now, imagine that it's just
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above you, right, maybe let's say five thousand feet above you,
maybe a thousand feet so, way closer to you than
a commercial aircraft. When you see one of those in
the sky flying over, now, imagine eight hundred and four
feet that would be a strange thing to behold.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
Now, Well to your point, Matt, the Hindenburg disaster wasn't
exactly the best blimp PR moving forward.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
No, even though it was.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
That obviously preventable, it was a real product of lack
of understanding around what hydrogen would do.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Yes, but despite that bad PR, you still have people
like Sergei Brinn. Do you guys recognize that name? Google man,
Google co founder. He has a company called LTA Research
that last year announced Pathfinder one, a giant rigid aircraft
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that looks like a Hindenberg, but it's very different obviously
for probably many reasons that I just can't I don't
know at this moment. But these things are being created
now there's an attempt at an rigid airship comeback, which
means these type of aircraft have been tested, right, or
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they're currently actively being tested, or perhaps for the past
ten years they've been tested and prototypes have been created.
And that's where we get to our first caller, mister P,
who had a bit of an experience, and let's just
listen to that and see what we think.
Speaker 8 (27:02):
Hello, this is mister P. I'm a dental laugh technician,
former military, which has really nothing to do with the
reason of my call. I have not spoken to anyone
about this except my wife and a few people. Don't
know where to turn, but I did witness an unusual
craft in the sky, very close up. I am calling
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after your phone call from Sergeant Will concerning the large
military aircraft miles long and miles wide. What I saw
flying over my neighborhood semi cloaked in the clouds early
one morning, was so big. I have no words for
the size of it. It was like two or three
coliseums together, and it was close enough to see the
(27:50):
bottom like it looked concrete almost. It was just incredible.
I don't know what it was. I have no explanation.
I joined an app to see if others had witnessed anything.
There seemed to be no one else that saw this
or reported it, and I just thought I share that
that Sergeant Whale is onto something definitely, definitely you all
(28:11):
take care of keep up the good work. Thank you guys.
Keep me very much entertained and sometimes my only company
in the laboratory where I work. God bless you.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Take it easy, Thank you, mister P.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
God bless you as well.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Man.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Very kind words from mister P. There, what do you
guys say? I think the most compelling part of that,
mister P is being able to see the bottom and
having the sense that it was made out of concrete.
I don't know. That is so compelling to me. It
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makes me think about that movie Arrival and the like
the stone nature of the ships that are depicted in
that fictional film. But I I don't know. I'm trying
to image and other materials that would be that you
would think might look concrete.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
There's some really exciting material science going on, which is
a great thing to say at a party outside of
Georgia Tech. But what do you mean there are so
part of it is. Part of it is visibility, right,
part of it is reducing maybe a radar or sensory footprint.
So think of all the now I don't have access
(29:26):
to this, think of all the amazing we could call
it fancy paint that was used on stealth aircraft that
were often mistaken for UFO or UAP back in the day, right,
And how the not just the US government, but the
Russian government and indeed the Chinese government played along with
(29:47):
those fanciful stories to disguise what they were working on. Also,
if we want to just get weird with it again,
I point out the Sherwin Williams logo.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
Is bizarre and this quite scary, uh, covering the globe,
I mean red paint.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I don't think there's skunk works. But obviously the great
calculation of any airship since the days of hot air
balloons has been figuring out weight versus mass and how
to direct that in a sustainable way. So, if we
are looking at something that is part of the so
(30:29):
called renaissance of airships, like what's going on in Moffitt
Field right over in Mountain View, California, shout out to
the boys. Uh, what we're going to see is a
lot of time spent in figuring out how to keep
the thing from instantly exploding when it is shot right
(30:51):
or when something bad aggers, So figuring out some kind
of surface texture that can prevent a Hindenberg desagn right
if it's attacked, and then also figuring out a way
to reduce that footprint. So maybe what we're seeing here,
mister P, maybe what looks like concrete is actually a
(31:13):
material that we don't publicly have knowledge of yet. I'm
just freestyling here.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
I hear you that. I mean that that makes sense
to me. I'm going back to the Pathfinder one thing
in Sergey Brinn's concept because pretty recently, about a year ago,
the thing was filmed. There's a lot of secrecy surrounding it,
but it's so massive it's tough to keep it a secret,
(31:43):
especially when they're doing tests. They're even pretty close to
the ground, and I'm thinking, mister P, about the proximity.
I'm thinking about the way this thing might look and
its sheer size. So really quickly, guys, let's look at
this video. We can just describe it a little bit.
It's just a tiny piece. You can look it up yourself.
(32:04):
The title the video is the world's largest aircraft first
flight in four K. It's posted on YouTube by w Colby.
W Colby. So here, let's just take a quick look
just to get an idea. Can you guys see that
m hm, okay, so I'm just gonna play it without sound.
(32:26):
Look closely down below that is a huge semi truck
trailer that is carrying this thing. Oh okay, look at
the size of that aircraft as it's going by, Like
that thing is massive, and I can just imagine.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Right like it's pulling it.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
It's yeah, it's the nose is attached to an arm
that's on the semi truck trailer and it is floating
from that point, so you can tell it's just a
test of some sort. But I'm just imagining if you
did successfully get this thing into the sky and you
were flying it kind of in the clouds maybe a
little bit, and you looked up and you saw this
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thing that looks I don't have an exact size here
for how big it is, but I mean that's freaking huge,
and it looks almost like it's the you know, it's
this white gray color. I'm just imagining seeing it as
potentially concrete, And mister p I'm not saying that's what
you saw. I'm just saying, if there's anything else that's
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even remotely like that up in the sky that's being
tested and it's supposed to be secret, it could be something.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Like that, And mister P, I greatly appreciate you. Following
up on this, You've got to check out this article
from twenty twenty four over at the Smithsonian by Mark Peasing.
Are we in an airship renaissance?
Speaker 4 (33:52):
Look?
Speaker 2 (33:52):
The other thing that doesn't get mentioned a lot here
that you can find sighted in the Smithsonian. Incredible source
is that Russian engineers are reworking a Soviet airship design
for a similar thing that looks like a flying saucer.
So it's about to get really fun there. And I believe,
(34:15):
I believe the Pathfinder one, at least the proof of
concept is like four hundred feet And I hear what
we're saying about seeing that and not knowing what you're expecting, right,
and maybe it's pulled along like you were saying. No,
But mister P, make no mistake, the airships are out
there for sure, or maybe aliens.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
Well, I mean, you know, reminding me of guys is
that Jordan Peel movie Nope, which is about citing things
that are very large hiding in the clouds.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
So yeah, I'm with you on that.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
It reminds me of S four And we're maybe we'll
talk about that next time. We're already pretty far into
this segment, so we'll hear time from more Broccoli about
S four the Bob Blazar story, because there's quite a
bit for us to look at when it comes to
that documentary who made it, you know, motivations and all
(35:12):
that other stuff, and some awesome stuff being done with
the Unreal five Engine that might be coming our way soon.
Speaker 8 (35:17):
So.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
Look forward to that.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
For now, We'll be right back after word from our sponsors.
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And we've returned with our last listener mail segment of
the episode. This one comes to us.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
By way of a.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
Sea Bat, great name, super fun, very visual, and he
is writing in with some perspective on something called the
Port Chicago disaster, which took place during World War two,
and I felt like a real dope. I was not
intimately familiar with this, and it's an incredibly important story
regarding the treatment of African American service members, and it
(36:02):
was a real pivotal event that led to some serious
reform in the way the military treats not only African
American members, but just service members in general, but specifically
along racial lines. So I am going to just really
quickly summarize what this event was, and then we'll go
(36:22):
into Sea Bat's perspective on it, which I think is
incredibly apt. And hey, you know what, we actually did
an episode about this back in twenty twenty, and so
I feel even more like a dope for not remembering it.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
But it's okay. We do a lot of episodes, and.
Speaker 5 (36:37):
This reminded me and refreshed my memory on the subject.
And now I want to read even more about it,
and there are some incredible books about it and resources
that I will recommend at the end. So for now,
the gist is that on July seventeenth of nineteen twenty four,
there were two huge explosions that rocked the Port Chicago
Naval Magazine near San Francisco, California, where munitions were being
(37:00):
stored and loaded into two ships that were going to
the Pacific theater of World War II. There was a
catastrophic detonation that took place and obliterated the pier along
with ships, and triggered chain reaction that set up a
second blast and caused widespread destruction along the waterfront and
destruction of the nearby town. Three hundred and twenty sailors
(37:23):
and civilians were killed, most of them were enlisted sailors
who were African American. Around nine three hundred and ninety
individuals were wounded and hundreds of buildings were damaged. Basically,
this was all preventable. There were unsafe loading practices that
were being used, there was very little oversight, pressure to
meet goals and timelines and quotas, inadequate training for the
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handling of this incredibly dangerous material, and of course unequal
treatments depending on the race of service members, so there's
segregated assignments, giving most of the.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
Most hazardous work to black sailors.
Speaker 5 (37:59):
An official Navy investigation was conducted and basically chalk the
whole thing up to an accident, but also somewhat criticized
poor safety procedures, but not enough to cause.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Any kind of widespread change.
Speaker 5 (38:12):
The real kicker and takeaway here is that the Navy
charged fifty African American sailors who protested the unsafe conditions
and refused.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
To return back to work with mutiny.
Speaker 5 (38:22):
Fifty of them were convicted, and one of the largest
mutiny trials hugely covered in US naval history. This created
a real firestorm of criticism around the Army's treatment of
these individuals and they were ultimately exonerated, and it's remembered
not only as a tragic incident that took place during wartime,
but also as an important event that led to some
(38:46):
changes in the racial injustices of the US military was
responsible for. So here comes our very smart and thoughtful
perspective from Sea Bats. I do believe the Navy is
getting better, but like all big organizations, it's harder to
admit fault than to sweep an embarrassing event under the rug.
(39:06):
Young lowly ranked black sailors would make for a very
convenient rug to sweep an embarrassing situation under. I think
those days are over. But the military judicial system and
the UCMJ Uniform Code of Military Justice, which by the way,
was this was an instrumental event that led to that,
have baked scapegoating into the Navy culture. We've talked a
(39:28):
lot about this regarding allegations of sexual assault in the
military guys in a recent episode. I'm as we can
put a pin in that and go back to that
in just a second. Have baked scapegoating into the Navy culture.
The deck is always stacked against the accused and the
lower down the sailor is the more the deck is rigged.
If the brass can't get you on anything else, they
(39:50):
will get you on quote conduct unbecoming. For officers, it's
article one thirty three, and for enlisted it's article one
thirty four. I did duty as Master of Arms in
the Navy, and we were instructed to always insert them
into the list of changes. It would look bad on
the Chief Master at Arms if the accused walked. I
(40:12):
personally think those two articles should be removed if you
can't state succinctly what the accused did wrong. Articles one
thirty three and one thirty four shouldn't allow a prosecuting
authority a way of just punishing someone. Because thank you
Sebat for that perspective, and also for kind of pointing
out that while changes have taken place, that there are
(40:35):
still some of these kind of antiquated pieces of codified.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
Language that sort of.
Speaker 5 (40:41):
Still exists and give that baked in ability for superior
officers to throw people under the bus.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
Guys.
Speaker 5 (40:49):
I immediately just thought about the episode we did about
sexual assault taking place in the military and how difficult
it is to report these kinds of things because of
that code of silence and or not making superior officers
look bad. I'm curious of what y'all's thoughts were on that.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Yeah, it's an ongoing issue.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
I'm trying to find article one thirty four specifically of
the UCMJ. In a lot of places online. There's like
military justice attorneys talking about it, looking at Duke Law
scholarship repository talking about it in decent conduct in general,
(41:32):
which is something we know in contracts, in decent acts
or acts that are you know, outside of whatever parameters
that are set, Often a contract can be you know,
terminated if something like that is violated, right, And that
goes for everything, not just the military. So it's not
(41:53):
uncommon to have something like that. But it's interesting to
see it doesn't appear to be a catch all, at
least as I'm reading it here, it appears to be
I mean, in some ways, I guess it can be used.
I can see it's often used as improper sexual encounters
(42:13):
of some sort.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
It's also it's also pretty sticky for our veterans in
the crowd. Just like you were saying earlier, see that
what defines inappropriate or unprofessional? Is it kind of like
when the courts ruled on James Joyce's Ulysses and said,
pornography is you know it when you see it. People
(42:35):
might have different terms about what is seen as unbecoming,
especially when we consider it's unbecoming of an officer and
a gentleman. So is that being too familiar with the
admiral's wife? Is that going to get you booted up?
It does seem like a catch all if it is
(42:57):
weaponized and misused, and.
Speaker 5 (42:58):
Guys, it also makes me think about a lot of
discussion around refusing to honor illicit commands.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Yes, yeah, duty to the constitution over the leader.
Speaker 5 (43:11):
Well, that's exactly right, because at a certain point, this
whole idea of prosecuting someone just because and using some
sort of catch all argument to do that, it really
does fly in the face of this idea that it
is in fact legal to like, for example, these men
who were refusing to go back to work and these
unsafe conditions at Port Chicago and accused of mutiny, it
(43:36):
would seem that they were well within their constitutional rights
to say, you guys are absolutely throwing us to the
wolves and putting us in harm's way in a way
that is not in some fashion, you know, like serving
our country.
Speaker 4 (43:51):
You're just putting us at risk.
Speaker 5 (43:53):
And during wartime, I guess it could become extra sticky
because then it's like, no, no, we got to get
this done.
Speaker 4 (43:58):
We got a these quotas. You know, safety be damned.
Speaker 5 (44:01):
But I don't know, guys, it's a really difficult thing
to wrap your head around.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
I'm looking at Bilecky Law Group and they're talking about
fifty four separate criminal offenses that are all listed under
Article one thirty four. And they've got this huge list.
It's just everything from drunkenness to homicide, frateranization, straggling.
Speaker 4 (44:34):
Jesus, pick up the pace.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
Pandering, self injury like this. This I don't know.
Speaker 5 (44:44):
This is general shenanigans. Like I mean, where does it end.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Let's do a word of the evening. This I'm getting
from armfor dot US Courts dot gov really available online.
The word of the evening is grava men, which is
not apparently a Japanese superhero film. Gravamen gra vame n
(45:08):
means the main claim or most important aspect of a
complaint against a defendant. So the boffins here are saying
that unprofessional means Article one point thirty three means that
an officer's conduct has disgraced them personally or somehow brings
(45:29):
dishonor to the military profession overall, such as to quote,
affect is fitness to command so as to successfully complete
the military mission end quote. So basically, if you do
something that compromises your ability that as seen by other people,
your ability to accomplish the objectives, then you have violated
(45:54):
this article.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
Exactly, guys, According to Bilecki, in this art this is
all within the different categories here. So categories two through
four include producing, distributing, possessing, or possessing with intent to
distribute child pornography, as well as in category one disloyal statements, disloyalty.
Speaker 5 (46:25):
Disloyalty was the term that was being thrown around when
those former generals made that video saying don't forget you
have a right to refuse unlawful orders. Then the rhetoric
from the administration was they're encouraging disloyalty.
Speaker 4 (46:39):
That's crazy, remember that.
Speaker 5 (46:41):
I mean, that's like term disloyalty is such a that's
not what this is about. Loyalty to what We're not
loyal to kings or you know, generals per se we're loyal.
We're supposed to be loyal to the Constitution, We're supposed
to be loyal to the idea of protecting our country.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
And then the lead getten called better Angels of It.
Speaker 5 (47:00):
I was that's what I was shooting for. Ben, Thanks
for for pulling that one out of my head. I
was literally about to say better and I couldn't quite
get there. You nailed it, And we're just in I
don't know, we're in such a quagmire of like this
gross sense of blind loyalty, disloyalty being the ultimate sin
to an individual.
Speaker 4 (47:18):
That's horse. Oh sorry, I don't mean the soapbox. It
just pisses me off.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
Oh yeah, it's a freaking it's a tough one right here.
Speaker 5 (47:31):
And there's precedent for it. And and then you know,
the more things quote unquote change, the more they stay
the same where they the pendulum kind of swings back.
And now it seems like more than ever, we're in
a situation where people could be thrown under the bus
in a very similar way. Very much so, sorry to
and on a bit of a downer, but I just
think I think it's important.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
Oh gosh, yeah, we have as you point out that
we do so many episodes, and we are grateful for
people who come in with expertise to accompany us on
this strange continuing mission. Big big thanks to see Bat,
Mister P. Big thanks to Orpheus. We didn't get to
ancient astronaut, Chick Tanya or more broccoli, but you'll have
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(49:40):
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Cats be tuned into some frequency that we're not.
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Seeing, as we also know dogs are, but cats particulah.
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Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
my name is Noel.
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They call me Ben.
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with you?
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Sure that works?
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Why not?
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You know?
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Is that a movie or something? When are we talking here?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Man? I did that like a Joe Montana pass. It
was ugly, but it got over to the goal.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Or a Joe Montana pass in a film. He does.
He's always making passes. Was isn't May the fourth also
May Day? Which is a thing? That's May Day?
Speaker 5 (01:17):
Dan?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Did you guys see the pro the May Day protests?
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Yes? Thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Well see I didn't see much of the news talking
about it too much, at least not showing the full
picture globally of what that is and what it stands.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
I didn't fully understand the historical context of May Day,
and that's just my own lack of plugged inness around
that issue. But could you talk about that a little bit, mad,
I'm curious.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Well, it's just a day that is one day out
of the year. That's not for the owners of countries.
It's for the folks who live in countries and you know,
live in in houses one house. You know, the folks
who work in factories, and the folks who are surviving, yes,
but not so great anymore because of the owners.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
So it's not it's kind of like Labor Day adjacent,
but it's its own thing.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
It's for the people.
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It's International Workers Day as the official name for it.
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Yes.
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Yeah, And when we're talking about getting to the root
of these sorts of issues of a ca shaped economy,
of global inequality, of the most important part of this show,
we have to commend you, our fellow conspiracy realist, for
getting to the tubers, the roots, the begos Lou begum.
Speaker 6 (02:38):
When I was six years old, my daddy took me
out in the front yard to look at the night sky,
he said, Grimbly, you see that consolation right there, that's
the little rout de Beeca. From then on I knew
I was going to dedicate my life to this vegetable.
I took a small ten million dollar loan from my daddy,
and over the years I've built a Rudebeca distribution business
worth ten point one million dollars.
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So when I say I have the experience.
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To your Rudebega comptroller, I mean it. And I'm not
one of those fat cats up there in Washington and
they're gold foiled sweet potatoes. I'm Grimbley Wilson, a Rutebega Maverick.
Vote Grimbly Wilson for Rutebega Comptroller.
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I wonder if you approved this message, because I sure do.
Wow of the South, now, Tennessee.
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What informed that?
Speaker 6 (03:27):
One's just that the comptroller race is heating up?
Speaker 5 (03:32):
Yes, always, always, And why isn't the sweet potatoes are
always in gold foil rather than just like the tinfoil
of a traditional spud.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
It's kind of it's I would argue, it's it's a
marketing thing, similar to how butter is artificially colored yellow.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Better to differentiate the type of potato. You're picking up
when it's on the line, let's say, at a Golden Corral.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Oh, that's a good point.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
That's a good point, to be fair, though, a sweet
potato is much more conical than a not conical you know,
oblong perhaps than traditional.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
It's got attenuated ends.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
It doesn't take you. It comes to little points.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yes, the tapering, right, it tapers just so. We also
are going to pause for just a few minutes so
we can all rewatch that amazing Golden Corral employee education video.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
Hey, well, Johnny, let's go.
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What's the HAPs, buddy, how's the weather? What kind of
piece of meat do you want?
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How about that team?
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How about an end.
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Piece for my favorite guy?
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See the game.
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Let's sorry, did you see the sport last night?
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Did you see the game?
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As yes?
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Brother, Oh my lord, I've got to send it to you.
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The Rudeberger Report.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Is worth your time. Matt. You'll remember, like years ago
when we were getting a little uh complicated with doing
all these videos, and I revealed to you that we
could have an alternate career where you and Noel and
I just do employee training.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
It's like a sexual harassment training video for roast beef, yes,
and for how to make with the customers.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
And the guy the poor guy's got his dead eyes.
He's doing well. And the mullet on this man, well,
I think that's back in style.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
It's not Golden Coral, though, guys. It's Old Country Buffet.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Which is frank it was always my Golden Frankly, guys,
I I don't really have a history with Golden Corral.
That was much later in life for me. Growing up,
it was all Old Country Buffet.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
I apologize to Old Country Buffet and Golden Corral reluctantly,
but sincerely. I hope you can hear the sincerity in
that apology.
Speaker 7 (06:00):
Well.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
It is kind of funny, though, because there's a handful
of these sort of corporate training videos that have quote
unquote like leaked over the years because.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
It's certainly not meant for public consumption.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
But there's like a Wendy's one from the nineties that's
like really bad wrap.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Teaching customers how to nothing like the Wendy's mixtape.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
It's like how to pour soft drinks correctly or something.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
It's quite fun stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Dylan. You also want to give a shout out to
Ryan's Steakhouse.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Ryan's Family Steakhouse.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
My family was misteaking a steak steak and ale that
was it was an Atlanta thing.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Free baby.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yeah, we obviously love these places that are between sit
down in fast food. We also a.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Secret third thing.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah, they're a third space. Right where do you go
after church? You're going to hang out at your house
like a loser, or you're going to go to the corral.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Ryan's Family Steakhouse.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Matt is doing a very like you get it right there.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
You know it's good if they have a separate station
where they'll cook you.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Sometimes a stir fry station.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Guys, that's a little that's a little news school for me.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
It is a little new school.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
But you will see that sometimes at these very large
Asian buffets that it seems to have gotten popular over
the last handful of years to do these mega mega
mega sushi buffets, and some of them also have like
a soba noodle strove.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Love that, love that, and we love that you have
contacted us, fellow conspiracy realist. We're going to take a
break for a word from our sponsors, and then we'll
get into a conspiracy you haven't heard, and we have returned.
(07:49):
We are hearing from Orpheus. Fox, Orpheus. You are hipping
us to something that you believe is a conspiracy people
have not heard about. You say, greetings, I'm going to
spill the beans on a government conspiracy. The very few
know the full or real story. In nineteen eighty five,
I was working in several different capacities, deputy sheriff, special
(08:12):
police officer for the town I live in, moonlighting as
a police dispatcher, but my main gig was a correctional officer.
Twas the night of the premiere of The Terminator on HBO,
I had lucked out and got assigned to the recreation
hole with the inmates doing House of Corrections sentences. Pause there,
(08:33):
real quick. We talked about Terminator off air. We know
that not everybody is acquainted with this amazing franchise. You
know several films in I would put them neck and neck,
maybe with.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
Vibes maybe you know what we talked about, how vibes
is kind of like a poor man's Ghostbusters. Ben Ben
is angry, Ben's fewer I just mean, it's like, clearly
Ghostbusters was a big smash hit, and someone was like,
we can do that only with Cindy Lauper and Jeff Goldbloom,
(09:10):
and it's it's it's.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Kind of Ghostbusters.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
There's like a spooky pyramid kind of thing and like
an ancient evil and they're sort of paranormal investigators, but
it's more vibes based, you know, And I don't get
me wrong, And.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
So what what would you guys say, is the poor
person's Terminator?
Speaker 5 (09:31):
That would be you know, there's a whole bunch of
like fake terminator movies like India that would probably be
the answer to that. Or Robo Cops its own thing,
maybe Robo Cop two.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
We just kind of remember, guys at the heart of it,
because Terminator is not about robots. No, it's about time travel.
Oh well that too, So maybe Terminator is the version
of Back to the Future, the poor Man's back.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
To the Future.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
I think about the production budgets.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
I think also we should stop saying the poor.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Man's I knew you were going to say that, Ben, Dude.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
We did set it up as say the poor Man's
I've just been thinking about the phrase to Noel's point,
you know, you know, I.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
Mean, I think, I think it's tried and true and
we all know what it means, and I'm not giving
it up.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Is like the House of Representatives, the poor Man's.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Come get me, PC police, Yes, come for us.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
If you are going to join Orpheus Fox at this time,
then you are coming for them at a place called
the Plymouth County House of Corrections. It's normally a house
of corrections and jail, fairly tame. But Orpheus says the
county had been approached by the Feds, US marshals and
so on to howse overnight and babysit suicidal high end inmates.
(10:59):
This done because if an inmate was going to federal court,
the closest federal facility would be in Connecticut, which is
several hours in traffic, which affords opportunities for escape. Besides,
Plymouth jail is out of the way. It's a decent
place to hide someone from prying eyes in the cities.
(11:21):
Here's where it gets crazy. That's just us, you say, Orpheus.
One such inmate was Charles Taylor Charlie, as we called him,
was from Liberia. One of the cabinet members in Samuel
Doe's government. Doe had been president of Liberia for years
and to tyrant, Charlie and the other ministers planned a coup,
(11:44):
that's what we could say. Fortunately, Charles Taylor was in
the United States when Doe purged his offices and the
families of the offenders, so he killed everybody. Liberia then
requested extradiction, which we talked about in an episode previously
on Epstein and Zoro Ranch. Liberia requested that the US
(12:07):
extradite Charles Taylor. That's how Charlie came to become the
night sweeper of the guard room. Sure it was not
in keeping with policy and procedure, but Charlie was a
nice guy. He did the work for donut and a coffee.
For most of the time, except for meals, telephones, and showers.
(12:31):
Federal hold inmates were locked up. They were only given
two hours out of the cell, presumably out of every
twenty four hours, so the guards were grumbling. Charlie discussed
it with me, and he said, I set up the
security forces in my country. If I wanted to break
out of this place or leave this place, it would
(12:53):
be an easy matter for me. But I'm here trying
to find justice for my country. Okay, let's pause there.
We all know who we're talking about, right, Charles Taylor, Liberia.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
What we do now thanks to the dictator?
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Right, yes, yes, very much.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yeah, yeah that guy, yeah, that guy from earlier. It's
Charlie from earlier. So this is strange because, as Orpheus clocks,
Liberia did not have an extradition treaty with the United States.
Liberia accused Charlie of stealing twenty million dollars in gold. Orpheus,
(13:34):
you say you had several conversations with Charlie. He spoke
the King's English, was very educated and insightful, and he
prophesied to Orpheus that in nineteen eighty five certain events
would occur.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
To him.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
This was years before nineteen eighty five. He said, quote,
you see, as long as I am convenient for your government,
they will support me and my claim is in my country.
But when I become inconvenient, they will accuse me of
crimes against humanity and lock me away or kill me.
(14:11):
I don't know, guys, Charlie Taylor, except we're speaking specifically
of course, with Charles MacArthur Gonke Taylor. Orpheus asked why
this guy is just roaming around seemingly free. The officer
that he talks to says, you got to mind your
(14:33):
business and we're going to will paraphrase some of this.
It turns out that per Orpheus's reports, it came time
for a head count. In one particular night, an officer
came out of his area and he said he was
missing a couple of inmates. So one of the lieutenants
(14:53):
ran up the stairs to check another officer. They came
out of place that holds twenty four people. That guy
was missing a couple of people as well, and Charlie
Taylor was one of the four people missing, so they
went to figure out what might be going on with
this heist. The four unaccounted inmates have been recaptured within
(15:16):
twenty four hours, but apparently Charlie was never found, so
I guess that is five people. And they stayed up
all night writing reports trying to figure out what happened.
Everybody at the facility got interrogated by the marshals, and
(15:37):
now Orpheus says, five years later, I'm watching CNN. A
reporter says, we are with the leader of the rebel forces,
Charles Taylor, and there was Charlie wearing a set of
camis with an sixteen US issued rifle. He said, if
they do not give us the country, we will kill
them orpheus. As you know, and as you write, Charlie
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later becomes president of Liberia, remains in office for about
ten years, friends with Muammar Gadaffi. When the US announced
charges against Charles Taylor for crimes against humanity, he lost
power in his country. He ghosted off to Libya for
a minute. When Libya fell, he was captured trying to
(16:24):
sneak out of there. He got arrested, tried by the
World Court.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
He is now.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Serving life due to his convictions in the Hague. So
you or if he has, say that we can fact
check the superficial overview of the story by just googling
Charles Taylor, and you argue that the CIA has their
fingerprints all over it. You end by saying, I understand
(16:51):
the US is supportive of countries trying to be democratic
as long as it is their kind of democracy.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
What do we think?
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Do we think we got a prisoner release here?
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Yes, At least according to the Boston Globe, they're saying
that it actually happened, and it was CIA. He claimed
a trial that CIA agents are the ones that like
officially got him out once they got to Staten Island.
That's the Sorry, this is mind blowing, guys. They're saying
that this is real that. I mean, you can imagine
(17:26):
I suppose right that somebody like Charles Taylor might be
really convenient and helpful if you're trying to get into
the upper echelons of Liberia.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Mm hmm, yeah, tail as old as time right songed,
as old as rhyme.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
Have we talked about yet his tribunal and what he's
been stood accused of.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Oh, he did some of that stuff for.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
You, for sure, for sure, but we're talking about the
horrific acts of sexual violence, forced conscription.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
I believe the child soldiers.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
Yes, all in exchange for these blood diamonds, right, yeah,
or much of There're definitely some dirty deals done in
back rooms involving these commodities.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Were they done dirt cheap?
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Now quite expensive?
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Oh, that's AC and DC together. Once we know that,
we know that it is confirmed. Taylor did flee to
the United States back in the early eighties, but he
was arrested in nineteen eighty four May twenty first by
Deputy marshals and he was originally going to be extradited
(18:33):
to face embezzlement charges. But you know how it is
when you get in situations. Let's say you're locked up,
and let's say you have the intelligence agency of the
government right that is arresting you or incarcerating you, and
they come to you and they say, hey, buddy, I
get it.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
He can't always bega the ruda, And we'd like to
help you ruda the bega. We've got very get to
the root of the bega, right, We've got some very
interesting opportunities. We've got some very interesting conversations. Maybe we
can help each other out, you know, by the way,
that coffee's on us.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Just think it over, dude.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Yes, it's more on this Boston Globe reporting, they're saying
that the Defense Intelligence Agency came forward and confirmed that
in the nineteen eighties mister Taylor worked with US intelligence.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Yes, that is.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
This goes back to our whole epstein as an asset thing,
and like how much shenaniganry to put lightly is the
government willing to accept in order to get what they want.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
This also goes goes forward to our upcoming episode on
the conspiracy of quote unquote prison escapes or quote unquote
prisoner swaps. It happens more often than you think, folks,
and Noel, I love the you out our previous episode
on child soldiers, which is a very real problem. It's
(20:05):
July two thousand and nine when Taylor is talking to
the World Court and he says, look, the CIA helped
me escape, and then they told me what to do.
And the DA, the US Defense Intelligence Agency, said yeah,
this guy has been working with us, with US intelligence
(20:29):
since back in the nineteen eighties. And they said, well,
what do you mean, what does work with mean? And
they shut it down. They stonewalled it, and they said, well,
we can't give any details of his role. We can't
say what the US did. It's national security, which means
again the silent Cold War on the African continent with Russia,
(20:52):
to be quite clear.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
Just to backtrack ever so slightly, if you are interested
in learning more and seeing an incredibly compelling depiction of
child soldiers, the film Beasts of No Nation came to mind,
which is directed by Carrie Joji Fukunaga and starring Idris
Elba and it is all about child soldiers in West Africa.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah, and if you want to learn more about Charles Taylor,
you can check out some excellent research. You can check
out some excellent analysis. We're happy to send that to
you if you write to us conspiracydiheartradio dot com. You
can also check out a somewhat biased documentary from just
last year called Betrayal. This explores the brother in law
(21:39):
of Liberian dictator Charles Taylor and how he became a
whistleblower against that. Again, CIA sponsored rashime. And there we
leave it. We have some stuff we're gonna have to
save for next week. Shout out the ancient astronaut chick.
Shout out to people whose cats ghost. We're going to
(22:01):
pause for a word from our sponsors, and we'll be
back with more listener mail.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
And we've returned guys. Back in April on one of
these listener mail episodes, Ben, you brought a voicemail to
the table from Sergeant Will who was talking about not
necessarily dirigibles, but these rigid flying machines, these airships, these
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huge blimp like although rigid in structure, flying machines that
were oh so popular in Germany for a time as
well as in the United States once the scientists and
folks engineers creating them came over here. These rigid airships
were very strange, and one of the biggest reasons they're
strange is because they're massive. Right in that voicemail, That's
(22:55):
one of the things they talked about, right, just how
huge these things could be because of their design.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yeah, as previously stated in things like car stuff, the airship,
the dirigible, right, whatever we want to call it, is
a phenomenal example of human ingenuity. And for most of
our American listeners, you're going to recognize the blimp's best
(23:21):
by looking at things like the Goodyear blimp, which is
actually kind of hard to get onto. I definitely tried.
You're probably not going to clock the high altitude right.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
Oh, I'm so sorry, guys. I was totally trying to
spacing on when we had talked about this recently, like
using them as surveillance, yes, you know methods. It's also
so interesting that the way oftentimes like sort of retro
futurists sci fi worlds often have like dirigibles just everywhere,
like it's always represented this kind of like futurist thing
(23:53):
that we often consider a little bit dated, but turns.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Out there's a futuristic use for it. It's very good technology,
you guys. The issue is that it's also very easy
technology to attack if we're talking about a commercial use
or a consumer use, because it has to fly low
enough that someone, yeah, that someone could treat it as
what you say, a sit in documents.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Yeah, I mean it is.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
The issue becomes that you have to have public trust
to not ruin that stuff for everyone. So the main
reason helium worries aside, way before helium for healium engagement
became a concern, the main issue was that other people,
rival forces could just attack these things, and so we
(24:45):
had to figure out how to get them higher and
higher and higher and higher and higher and then turn
them into surveillance craft.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Oh yeah, when you think about these things, one word
may come to mind. Hindenburg. Yeah you may remember that.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Yeah, bad bad times.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Yeah, hydrogen explosives and disaster with the Hindenburg disaster. The
reason we're talking about this is because they're so huge.
The Hindenburg was approximately eight hundred and four feet long.
Try and picture that in your mind how massive that
would actually be to behold. Now, imagine that it's just
(25:27):
above you, right, maybe let's say five thousand feet above you,
maybe a thousand feet so, way closer to you than
a commercial aircraft. When you see one of those in
the sky flying over, now, imagine eight hundred and four
feet that would be a strange thing to behold.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
Now, Well to your point, Matt, the Hindenburg disaster wasn't
exactly the best blimp PR moving forward.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
No, even though it was.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
That obviously preventable, it was a real product of lack
of understanding around what hydrogen would do.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Yes, but despite that bad PR, you still have people
like Sergei Brinn. Do you guys recognize that name? Google man,
Google co founder. He has a company called LTA Research
that last year announced Pathfinder one, a giant rigid aircraft
(26:22):
that looks like a Hindenberg, but it's very different obviously
for probably many reasons that I just can't I don't
know at this moment. But these things are being created
now there's an attempt at an rigid airship comeback, which
means these type of aircraft have been tested, right, or
(26:44):
they're currently actively being tested, or perhaps for the past
ten years they've been tested and prototypes have been created.
And that's where we get to our first caller, mister P,
who had a bit of an experience, and let's just
listen to that and see what we think.
Speaker 8 (27:02):
Hello, this is mister P. I'm a dental laugh technician,
former military, which has really nothing to do with the
reason of my call. I have not spoken to anyone
about this except my wife and a few people. Don't
know where to turn, but I did witness an unusual
craft in the sky, very close up. I am calling
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after your phone call from Sergeant Will concerning the large
military aircraft miles long and miles wide. What I saw
flying over my neighborhood semi cloaked in the clouds early
one morning, was so big. I have no words for
the size of it. It was like two or three
coliseums together, and it was close enough to see the
(27:50):
bottom like it looked concrete almost. It was just incredible.
I don't know what it was. I have no explanation.
I joined an app to see if others had witnessed anything.
There seemed to be no one else that saw this
or reported it, and I just thought I share that
that Sergeant Whale is onto something definitely, definitely you all
(28:11):
take care of keep up the good work. Thank you guys.
Keep me very much entertained and sometimes my only company
in the laboratory where I work. God bless you.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Take it easy, Thank you, mister P.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
God bless you as well.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Man.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Very kind words from mister P. There, what do you
guys say? I think the most compelling part of that,
mister P is being able to see the bottom and
having the sense that it was made out of concrete.
I don't know. That is so compelling to me. It
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makes me think about that movie Arrival and the like
the stone nature of the ships that are depicted in
that fictional film. But I I don't know. I'm trying
to image and other materials that would be that you
would think might look concrete.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
There's some really exciting material science going on, which is
a great thing to say at a party outside of
Georgia Tech. But what do you mean there are so
part of it is. Part of it is visibility, right,
part of it is reducing maybe a radar or sensory footprint.
So think of all the now I don't have access
(29:26):
to this, think of all the amazing we could call
it fancy paint that was used on stealth aircraft that
were often mistaken for UFO or UAP back in the day, right,
And how the not just the US government, but the
Russian government and indeed the Chinese government played along with
(29:47):
those fanciful stories to disguise what they were working on. Also,
if we want to just get weird with it again,
I point out the Sherwin Williams logo.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
Is bizarre and this quite scary, uh, covering the globe,
I mean red paint.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I don't think there's skunk works. But obviously the great
calculation of any airship since the days of hot air
balloons has been figuring out weight versus mass and how
to direct that in a sustainable way. So, if we
are looking at something that is part of the so
(30:29):
called renaissance of airships, like what's going on in Moffitt
Field right over in Mountain View, California, shout out to
the boys. Uh, what we're going to see is a
lot of time spent in figuring out how to keep
the thing from instantly exploding when it is shot right
(30:51):
or when something bad aggers, So figuring out some kind
of surface texture that can prevent a Hindenberg desagn right
if it's attacked, and then also figuring out a way
to reduce that footprint. So maybe what we're seeing here,
mister P, maybe what looks like concrete is actually a
(31:13):
material that we don't publicly have knowledge of yet. I'm
just freestyling here.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
I hear you that. I mean that that makes sense
to me. I'm going back to the Pathfinder one thing
in Sergey Brinn's concept because pretty recently, about a year ago,
the thing was filmed. There's a lot of secrecy surrounding it,
but it's so massive it's tough to keep it a secret,
(31:43):
especially when they're doing tests. They're even pretty close to
the ground, and I'm thinking, mister P, about the proximity.
I'm thinking about the way this thing might look and
its sheer size. So really quickly, guys, let's look at
this video. We can just describe it a little bit.
It's just a tiny piece. You can look it up yourself.
(32:04):
The title the video is the world's largest aircraft first
flight in four K. It's posted on YouTube by w Colby.
W Colby. So here, let's just take a quick look
just to get an idea. Can you guys see that
m hm, okay, so I'm just gonna play it without sound.
(32:26):
Look closely down below that is a huge semi truck
trailer that is carrying this thing. Oh okay, look at
the size of that aircraft as it's going by, Like
that thing is massive, and I can just imagine.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Right like it's pulling it.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
It's yeah, it's the nose is attached to an arm
that's on the semi truck trailer and it is floating
from that point, so you can tell it's just a
test of some sort. But I'm just imagining if you
did successfully get this thing into the sky and you
were flying it kind of in the clouds maybe a
little bit, and you looked up and you saw this
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thing that looks I don't have an exact size here
for how big it is, but I mean that's freaking huge,
and it looks almost like it's the you know, it's
this white gray color. I'm just imagining seeing it as
potentially concrete, And mister p I'm not saying that's what
you saw. I'm just saying, if there's anything else that's
(33:27):
even remotely like that up in the sky that's being
tested and it's supposed to be secret, it could be something.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Like that, And mister P, I greatly appreciate you. Following
up on this, You've got to check out this article
from twenty twenty four over at the Smithsonian by Mark Peasing.
Are we in an airship renaissance?
Speaker 4 (33:52):
Look?
Speaker 2 (33:52):
The other thing that doesn't get mentioned a lot here
that you can find sighted in the Smithsonian. Incredible source
is that Russian engineers are reworking a Soviet airship design
for a similar thing that looks like a flying saucer.
So it's about to get really fun there. And I believe,
(34:15):
I believe the Pathfinder one, at least the proof of
concept is like four hundred feet And I hear what
we're saying about seeing that and not knowing what you're expecting, right,
and maybe it's pulled along like you were saying. No,
But mister P, make no mistake, the airships are out
there for sure, or maybe aliens.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
Well, I mean, you know, reminding me of guys is
that Jordan Peel movie Nope, which is about citing things
that are very large hiding in the clouds.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
So yeah, I'm with you on that.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
It reminds me of S four And we're maybe we'll
talk about that next time. We're already pretty far into
this segment, so we'll hear time from more Broccoli about
S four the Bob Blazar story, because there's quite a
bit for us to look at when it comes to
that documentary who made it, you know, motivations and all
(35:12):
that other stuff, and some awesome stuff being done with
the Unreal five Engine that might be coming our way soon.
Speaker 8 (35:17):
So.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
Look forward to that.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
For now, We'll be right back after word from our sponsors.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
And we've returned with our last listener mail segment of
the episode. This one comes to us.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
By way of a.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
Sea Bat, great name, super fun, very visual, and he
is writing in with some perspective on something called the
Port Chicago disaster, which took place during World War two,
and I felt like a real dope. I was not
intimately familiar with this, and it's an incredibly important story
regarding the treatment of African American service members, and it
(36:02):
was a real pivotal event that led to some serious
reform in the way the military treats not only African
American members, but just service members in general, but specifically
along racial lines. So I am going to just really
quickly summarize what this event was, and then we'll go
(36:22):
into Sea Bat's perspective on it, which I think is
incredibly apt. And hey, you know what, we actually did
an episode about this back in twenty twenty, and so
I feel even more like a dope for not remembering it.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
But it's okay. We do a lot of episodes, and.
Speaker 5 (36:37):
This reminded me and refreshed my memory on the subject.
And now I want to read even more about it,
and there are some incredible books about it and resources
that I will recommend at the end. So for now,
the gist is that on July seventeenth of nineteen twenty four,
there were two huge explosions that rocked the Port Chicago
Naval Magazine near San Francisco, California, where munitions were being
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stored and loaded into two ships that were going to
the Pacific theater of World War II. There was a
catastrophic detonation that took place and obliterated the pier along
with ships, and triggered chain reaction that set up a
second blast and caused widespread destruction along the waterfront and
destruction of the nearby town. Three hundred and twenty sailors
(37:23):
and civilians were killed, most of them were enlisted sailors
who were African American. Around nine three hundred and ninety
individuals were wounded and hundreds of buildings were damaged. Basically,
this was all preventable. There were unsafe loading practices that
were being used, there was very little oversight, pressure to
meet goals and timelines and quotas, inadequate training for the
(37:46):
handling of this incredibly dangerous material, and of course unequal
treatments depending on the race of service members, so there's
segregated assignments, giving most of the.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
Most hazardous work to black sailors.
Speaker 5 (37:59):
An official Navy investigation was conducted and basically chalk the
whole thing up to an accident, but also somewhat criticized
poor safety procedures, but not enough to cause.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Any kind of widespread change.
Speaker 5 (38:12):
The real kicker and takeaway here is that the Navy
charged fifty African American sailors who protested the unsafe conditions
and refused.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
To return back to work with mutiny.
Speaker 5 (38:22):
Fifty of them were convicted, and one of the largest
mutiny trials hugely covered in US naval history. This created
a real firestorm of criticism around the Army's treatment of
these individuals and they were ultimately exonerated, and it's remembered
not only as a tragic incident that took place during wartime,
but also as an important event that led to some
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changes in the racial injustices of the US military was
responsible for. So here comes our very smart and thoughtful
perspective from Sea Bats. I do believe the Navy is
getting better, but like all big organizations, it's harder to
admit fault than to sweep an embarrassing event under the rug.
(39:06):
Young lowly ranked black sailors would make for a very
convenient rug to sweep an embarrassing situation under. I think
those days are over. But the military judicial system and
the UCMJ Uniform Code of Military Justice, which by the way,
was this was an instrumental event that led to that,
have baked scapegoating into the Navy culture. We've talked a
(39:28):
lot about this regarding allegations of sexual assault in the
military guys in a recent episode. I'm as we can
put a pin in that and go back to that
in just a second. Have baked scapegoating into the Navy culture.
The deck is always stacked against the accused and the
lower down the sailor is the more the deck is rigged.
If the brass can't get you on anything else, they
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will get you on quote conduct unbecoming. For officers, it's
article one thirty three, and for enlisted it's article one
thirty four. I did duty as Master of Arms in
the Navy, and we were instructed to always insert them
into the list of changes. It would look bad on
the Chief Master at Arms if the accused walked. I
(40:12):
personally think those two articles should be removed if you
can't state succinctly what the accused did wrong. Articles one
thirty three and one thirty four shouldn't allow a prosecuting
authority a way of just punishing someone. Because thank you
Sebat for that perspective, and also for kind of pointing
out that while changes have taken place, that there are
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still some of these kind of antiquated pieces of codified.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
Language that sort of.
Speaker 5 (40:41):
Still exists and give that baked in ability for superior
officers to throw people under the bus.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
Guys.
Speaker 5 (40:49):
I immediately just thought about the episode we did about
sexual assault taking place in the military and how difficult
it is to report these kinds of things because of
that code of silence and or not making superior officers
look bad. I'm curious of what y'all's thoughts were on that.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Yeah, it's an ongoing issue.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
I'm trying to find article one thirty four specifically of
the UCMJ. In a lot of places online. There's like
military justice attorneys talking about it, looking at Duke Law
scholarship repository talking about it in decent conduct in general,
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which is something we know in contracts, in decent acts
or acts that are you know, outside of whatever parameters
that are set, Often a contract can be you know,
terminated if something like that is violated, right, And that
goes for everything, not just the military. So it's not
(41:53):
uncommon to have something like that. But it's interesting to
see it doesn't appear to be a catch all, at
least as I'm reading it here, it appears to be
I mean, in some ways, I guess it can be used.
I can see it's often used as improper sexual encounters
(42:13):
of some sort.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
It's also it's also pretty sticky for our veterans in
the crowd. Just like you were saying earlier, see that
what defines inappropriate or unprofessional? Is it kind of like
when the courts ruled on James Joyce's Ulysses and said,
pornography is you know it when you see it. People
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might have different terms about what is seen as unbecoming,
especially when we consider it's unbecoming of an officer and
a gentleman. So is that being too familiar with the
admiral's wife? Is that going to get you booted up?
It does seem like a catch all if it is
(42:57):
weaponized and misused, and.
Speaker 5 (42:58):
Guys, it also makes me think about a lot of
discussion around refusing to honor illicit commands.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Yes, yeah, duty to the constitution over the leader.
Speaker 5 (43:11):
Well, that's exactly right, because at a certain point, this
whole idea of prosecuting someone just because and using some
sort of catch all argument to do that, it really
does fly in the face of this idea that it
is in fact legal to like, for example, these men
who were refusing to go back to work and these
unsafe conditions at Port Chicago and accused of mutiny, it
(43:36):
would seem that they were well within their constitutional rights
to say, you guys are absolutely throwing us to the
wolves and putting us in harm's way in a way
that is not in some fashion, you know, like serving
our country.
Speaker 4 (43:51):
You're just putting us at risk.
Speaker 5 (43:53):
And during wartime, I guess it could become extra sticky
because then it's like, no, no, we got to get
this done.
Speaker 4 (43:58):
We got a these quotas. You know, safety be damned.
Speaker 5 (44:01):
But I don't know, guys, it's a really difficult thing
to wrap your head around.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
I'm looking at Bilecky Law Group and they're talking about
fifty four separate criminal offenses that are all listed under
Article one thirty four. And they've got this huge list.
It's just everything from drunkenness to homicide, frateranization, straggling.
Speaker 4 (44:34):
Jesus, pick up the pace.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
Pandering, self injury like this. This I don't know.
Speaker 5 (44:44):
This is general shenanigans. Like I mean, where does it end.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Let's do a word of the evening. This I'm getting
from armfor dot US Courts dot gov really available online.
The word of the evening is grava men, which is
not apparently a Japanese superhero film. Gravamen gra vame n
(45:08):
means the main claim or most important aspect of a
complaint against a defendant. So the boffins here are saying
that unprofessional means Article one point thirty three means that
an officer's conduct has disgraced them personally or somehow brings
(45:29):
dishonor to the military profession overall, such as to quote,
affect is fitness to command so as to successfully complete
the military mission end quote. So basically, if you do
something that compromises your ability that as seen by other people,
your ability to accomplish the objectives, then you have violated
(45:54):
this article.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
Exactly, guys, According to Bilecki, in this art this is
all within the different categories here. So categories two through
four include producing, distributing, possessing, or possessing with intent to
distribute child pornography, as well as in category one disloyal statements, disloyalty.
Speaker 5 (46:25):
Disloyalty was the term that was being thrown around when
those former generals made that video saying don't forget you
have a right to refuse unlawful orders. Then the rhetoric
from the administration was they're encouraging disloyalty.
Speaker 4 (46:39):
That's crazy, remember that.
Speaker 5 (46:41):
I mean, that's like term disloyalty is such a that's
not what this is about. Loyalty to what We're not
loyal to kings or you know, generals per se we're loyal.
We're supposed to be loyal to the Constitution, We're supposed
to be loyal to the idea of protecting our country.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
And then the lead getten called better Angels of It.
Speaker 5 (47:00):
I was that's what I was shooting for. Ben, Thanks
for for pulling that one out of my head. I
was literally about to say better and I couldn't quite
get there. You nailed it, And we're just in I
don't know, we're in such a quagmire of like this
gross sense of blind loyalty, disloyalty being the ultimate sin
to an individual.
Speaker 4 (47:18):
That's horse. Oh sorry, I don't mean the soapbox. It
just pisses me off.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
Oh yeah, it's a freaking it's a tough one right here.
Speaker 5 (47:31):
And there's precedent for it. And and then you know,
the more things quote unquote change, the more they stay
the same where they the pendulum kind of swings back.
And now it seems like more than ever, we're in
a situation where people could be thrown under the bus
in a very similar way. Very much so, sorry to
and on a bit of a downer, but I just
think I think it's important.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
Oh gosh, yeah, we have as you point out that
we do so many episodes, and we are grateful for
people who come in with expertise to accompany us on
this strange continuing mission. Big big thanks to see Bat,
Mister P. Big thanks to Orpheus. We didn't get to
ancient astronaut, Chick Tanya or more broccoli, but you'll have
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You know, social media poison.
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There's all kinds.
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We will do the rest. All you have to do
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Shout out to Tanya who gave us a pretty interesting
(49:40):
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Speaker 4 (49:51):
Cats be tuned into some frequency that we're not.
Speaker 5 (49:53):
Seeing, as we also know dogs are, but cats particulah.
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