Boozy inspires Ben to propose an investigation into all game show hosts for possible espionage. Swearing In asks why so many tech giants are selling hardware at a loss -- is this part of the surveillance state? The Hero of Canton notes that, of all people, your local law enforcement is actually fighting against the unbridled surveillance of 'Flock Safety'. Also, people who get incarcerated are going to be microchipped. All this and more in this week's listener mail segment.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
my name is Noel.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our
super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you
argue you are here. That makes this the stuff they
don't want you to know. If you are tuning in
to our weekly listener mail segment, The Evening It Publishers,
welcome to Thursday, June eleventh, twenty twenty six. Are prisoners
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gonna get micro chipped? Are we ever gonna here? Back
on our very vanilla readings of hip hop? Lyrics of old?
What about flock? What about swearing in? What about meta glasses?
We've got to get to all of this. And before
we get to all of this, we also have to
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acknowledge that rude begas take time to grow.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
And now it's been a little overcast lately too, so
you know, they they don't really do well in the shade,
or maybe they did.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
What do I know?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
What do I know?
Speaker 6 (01:30):
Of people.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
It's an important distinction.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Tennessee has so many things to do outside of just
creating incredible root of begas for us. Okay, so don't
stop coming at him, fruit Loop. Yeah yeah, we heard dat.
Fruit Yeah you fruit Loop called all disappointed because we
missed one one time and this is this is the
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second one. So we know we're gonna get another message.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Just chill.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
Keep our man's name out of your mouth.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Yeah, okay, keep that bega out of your route. Also,
more importantly, on a positive note, uh, we do want
to thank everybody who is written to us or called
in or contacted us via other means and said how
much they love the Igu Ruda Bega universe. So the
(02:27):
response has been powerful, to say the least. And Dyland,
I'm going to take a moment of accountability. Uh sorry,
I keep forwarding those emails to you of people laughing
about rudabagas and pitching ruda begas. I know this is
a very serious thing and we don't want to treat
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it like a joke.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
Hey, I love it, And for Loop, if you have
an idea for rudabagas, send it my way, you know, cross.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
You know, guys, I'm just going to throw this out there.
I mean, uh, and forgive me for being forward. There
are some podcasts that just put out open calls for
for listener generated drops. You know, if anybody wants to
make a rout of Bega, would you be open to that?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (03:08):
Absolutely, a lot of fun. Wouldn't that be fun?
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Just throw on that?
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I think so, I think so. I don't know. I'm scared.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
Obviously we curate them.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Just because you send it doesn't mean it gets on
the air. But I mean, by all means, send us
your Vegas great things are scary?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Why don't we just play Froot Loops message now, Dylan,
you're gonna you're gonna want to hear this.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Here we go.
Speaker 6 (03:29):
Hey, guys, longtime listener, first time caller. You can call
me fruit Loops. I just wanted to express you, guys,
the vast disappointment at listening to this week's or I
guess it's today's most recent episode of listener Mail and
hearing that the Ruta Bega sections are no longer going
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to be included. I understand that the root Is and
the Baker's got a Bega, but they have been getting
better every single week and Dylan has been doing a
masterful job of producing. I would love to see them
come back at some point, and just wanted to give
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a shout out to the Tennessee pal for creating such
an entertaining series around such a niche and not often
discussed enough roots vegetable. Thanks for all you guys do.
Oh and in response to your last question, I listen
to you guys when I am in the car on
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my lungs to and from work. Thanks so much for
all you guys do.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Talk to you later, and thank you fruit Loop.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
I hope we didn't give that impression that sounds like
a click. It's a classic case of misunderstanding. The rudeberg
Is aren't going anywhere. We just had a little bit
of an off week. Reports of my death are greatly exaggerated,
greatly exaggerated.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Yeah, nobody listened to fruit Loop.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Yeah I'm just joking.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Now.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
We love you for and we appreciate your concern. But yeah,
we got your bigas on the.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
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Speaker 5 (05:14):
Okay, and we're bad guys. Is anyone here feeling like
a pimp?
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Should we go in and brush our shoulders off before
we talk about some hip hop music.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
You know, I don't know what that feeling is.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Yees, clearly none of me.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
No, speaking for myself personally.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Yeah, it's certainly the about as white a hip hop
fan as they come. And honestly, I think I lean
into the slightly dorky lyric readings of hip hop because
it's just, you know, it's not my wheelhouse. So I'm
just gonna like read it like I would do a
reading of like Lord Byron or something, I guess. And
we had a couple of folks reaching out acknowledging that,
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and I think it's funny, so I just figured we'd
acknowledge it right back. This one comes from anonymous. Actually
that's not true. I'm gonna read their cipher name because
they sent us. This is either Hollywood six or Smokey Ramirez,
a couple of Atlanta hip hop guys who have some
stuff on YouTube if you want to check it out.
It linked to a cipher video that you can find
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on YouTube, and had this to say about our hip
hop lyrics discussion. Hey guys, so I listened to your
listener mail episode. I must say some of the readings
of the hip hop lyrics were hilarious. Maybe it's just
because they were read in such a vanilla square. By
the way, can I just say vanilla Square that would
be a really fun name for a jam band as well,
(06:35):
no offense, tone and cadence. I would like to say,
you guys need some hip hop outside in New York
in your life, buddy, anti pop consortiums from Chicago, and
I'm certain at least one of those dropped an outside
of New York reference. But hey, continuing anyways, I see
that you have been intrigued by ciphers and the hidden
messages that can be buried within. We certainly are, and
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our buddy and compatriot Ben is quite the for himself,
and it's been the one who's hipped me to a
lot of good hip hop records and got me fascinated
by him this very thing. So he continues being a
hip hop artist for twenty something years. Myself, I would
like to share with you guys one of our ciphers
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from a couple of years ago. Of course, we're not huge,
We've just been kicking around Atlanta for a long long time.
Have fun with that, guys, and we're gonna have a
little fun with it, Dylan, if you at your at
your leisure, maybe want to pick a little little moment,
little little ten second cipher from this YouTube link. That
would be awesome. I got you.
Speaker 7 (07:36):
Heck yeah, I remember back being when it just came
to me, and I was only fifteen, with a whole
lot of rage. I was just a kid, and move
went and even prison up depending up and started writing
on a page. And I think it were amazing, and
the think that I would do win every day even
though I wasn't even getting paid.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
I ain't even really care about the money.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
I just wanted you to know that I'm the business.
Get the fuck if I'm away now I'm going on
the range everywhere. Awesome.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
We love hearing music from our listeners. And hey guys,
if you want to do a Rootebaker cipher as offered earlier,
please send it our way. Conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Can somebody define cipher? We got a message that we're
using that term incorrectly. I genuinely don't know what that's
specifically referring to.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
I mean, in like tradecraft, it just refers to like
codes and like you know, a coded message of some
kind and I've often heard in hip hop a cipher
just referring to lines to lyrics. But Ben, maybe you
could help shed some light on.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
That sure thing. Yeah, this is a term that is
often debated in some ways, but at its basis, a
cipher is differentiated from a battle. So a battle is
where MC's two or more attempt the braggadocio, right, Ai'm cool,
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b or not. See here's why. That's the typical length
of a typical formula structure of a battle. A cipher
is more like picture five of your best friends and
then three guys you don't know from the parking lot
or the train who just get to a circle and
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do any number of a versus of freestyles. And then
again it becomes more difficult because people are still fighting
about what constitutes a freestyle. Is it off the dome,
made up, improvised on the spot, or is it something
pre written that just hasn't been on a record before
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or hasn't been on that beat before. So what cipher
essentially is hanging out and doing cool linguistic magical tricks
with people who could be your friends.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
That makes so much sense, And I'm certain that I've
used the term incorrectly, but I will say I have
also heard it sort of interchangeably used even in lyric
x just to talk about like a sort of deeply
referential line of hip hop.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yes yeah again, like you were saying earlier there in
a puzzle h trade path right, so a double triple
entendre and so on. Sorry I went French there. It's
just the most fun way to say on Pandre.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
It's the only way if you ask me.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
I've always associated with the kind of challenge thing where
I've seen an artist go on, gosh, I'm in my head,
I'm imagining Sway, but I know that's not the right
human being.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
I met Sway he was at the Ruths picnic and
he request Love interviewed him, and he was so nice.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
He was a lovely man.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
What beautiful, what a cool Now. The thing I liked
so much about him was he acknowledged how he got
a lot of flak for going on MTV and like
doing MTV News because he kind of came more from
like the underground hip hop, like in the Bay Area.
And then he sort of knowledge how he had made
peace with that and how he felt that he brought
his own personality and authenticity and knowledge of hip hop,
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and that he did more good than harm and you know,
maybe schooling some people about some stuff they wouldn't have
found out about otherwise. I just really liked his whole
attitude about that. He just seemed like a really, really mellow,
lovely guy. He was just talking about how he good
energy man, good vibes.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Kind of guy.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Oh yeah, but he seems to be a really cool person.
I said high to him a couple years ago the
Black Effect Festival, but I was way too shy to
actually get into conversation. But the thing I'm imagining in
my mind is where an artist is presented with increasingly
difficult beats, you.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Know, five fingers at death kind of okay vibe. Yeah,
So Sway in the Morning has the five Fingers of Death,
which is going to be a series of five beats.
Sometimes they are increasingly difficult in terms of tempo cadence.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
So right, okay, Well it just goes as I don't
know things. You're welcome, sorry to interrupt there so.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
Much, and you know what you're talking about. That's what
this is for.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
So we've gotten here when coming now from old woodwork,
and he recommends not Sleeping on Jay Live. All of
the above is one of my all time favorite albums.
He gets more politically poignant as he ages check out
No Time to Waste for the acrimoniously titled SPTA. I'm
not sure what that stands for. I gotta find out.
(12:28):
Let's see why it's acrimonious. Well, it does appear that
it stands for said person of that ability, but I
don't know what that's referencing, and there lies the cipheriness
of it all. Or check out some SoundCloud links that
he then includes for remixes of that other record you
mentioned the hereafter Brooklyn Public, another artist that he likes,
(12:49):
recounts this artist's time as a public school teacher and
whether the storm is a relevant, ever relevant reaction to
the post nine to eleven push for war. Heck yeah,
some really good recommendations there. Let's see yep.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
One more about hip hop.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
This one comes from Let's see Actually, this one's from anonymous.
Love the shout outs on your listener, Maile episode, I'm
surprised any of you have heard of Antipop Consortium. And
then he does the little googly eyed text based emoji
with the big eyes in the little mouth and I
love what you're doing in general. As KRS one said,
I want all my daughters to be like Maxine Waters.
That's a great rhyme. Last one guys on a slightly
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different topic, and I think this is gonna give us
something to chat about. Here. We've got another one that
comes to us from a listener by the name of
Boozy the Texting Bear, and they are referencing our discussion
of Alistair Crowley.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
At a certain point in.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
The episode, we kind of started talking about how Alistair
Crowley seems to maybe have a few things in common
with allegations made against Jeffrey Epstein. Obviously they were both
very divisive and guild sea of gnarly stuff. He acts
of hedonism and abuse, and also both potentially being spies,
(14:08):
assets for you know, foreign governments. So Boozy the Texting
Bear says, your talk of Alistair Crowley and Jeffrey Epstein
possibly being spies made me think of Chuck Barris's claim
of being a CIA hit man. Have you ever done
an episode on him? Chuck Barris, of course, being was
like a television host.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
Game show, game show host. It was the dating game.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
That's exactly I've not done an episode on this one.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
We haven't, and that really blows my mind that we haven't,
because there is a whole ass movie about it starring
Sam Rockwell called Confessions of a Dangerous Mind, which, guys,
I think I must have seen that when it was
originally out in theaters, but I haven't in a long time,
and I really need to revisit it. It is based
on his nineteen eighty four unauthorized biography, Confessions of a
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Dangerous Mind, where he claims that he was recruited by
the CIA in the nineteen sixties and used show business
travel as a way of covering his activities and carrying out,
you know, various acts of trade craft and clandestine operations,
including but not limited to, some assassinations. There is no
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independently verified evidence, and the CIA has repeatedly denied that
he ever worked for them, but like, of.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Course they were right, like of course I am Jack's
a strong sense of skepticisy.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Yeah, a big time yeah. You know, George Clooney actually
made the film, if I'm not mistaken. It may have
been the first George Clooney directed film ever, and it
dramatizes Barris's account and does a fine job of blurring
fact and fiction to create a pretty, you know, your
unreliable narrator kind of adventure ROMP. So most biographersion journalists
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do treat the spy story as some kind of self
mythologizing or or a form of dark satire rather than
as fact. But I think it is absolutely something that's
worth a deeper dive on stuff they don't want you
to know. But guys, any any further thoughts about you know,
kind of I think we were kind of coming up
with this similar conclusion that Crowley was just a big
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mouth and that he there likely may may not have
been any sand to the idea that he was in
fact a spy. I think we all probably feel a
little more strongly about the Epstein spy allegations. But curious
of y'all's thoughts on these three figures and which ones
maybe have the most weight for me for.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
My money, I think anybody that can be used, like
if you are a person objectively looking at an individual
and you think to yourself, well, that person would be
convenient to have access to gain the knowledge that they
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gained just by being, you know, next to other people
that you're interested in. I feel like if you can
objectively see that somebody probably is looking at that person
at least doesn't mean they're actively you know, working in
some way. But I would say, come on, these are
good candidates.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
Well for sure.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
And Ben, you brought up the connection or recent allegations.
Maybe not super recent, but as first i'd heard of
it that the CIA looks at Mormons as to you know,
hire as assets because of certain you know, qualities.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
I guess right, absolutely yes, the LDS. Certain LDS members
make great candidates on paper for one thing or another
due to the due to the tendency to avoid certain
vices like gambling or substance abuse. In addition, some.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Less appliable or lessargetable or what's the word I'm looking for, like,
it would be harder to get dirt on them, right.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Due to Another big factor is the ability to have
fluency in languages that a lot of other people in
the US do not speak. Given the requirement for missionary activity,
we also we have to respond to you here man
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on the bearest case. Now, I know what I'm going
to say might sound like a spoiler, but we're setting
this up. So check out the episode either on ridiculous
history or stuff they don't want you to know. In
nineteen eighty four, our buddy Chuck Barris said he made
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the whole thing up. He said he was never ever
involved with the CIA, certainly not in wetwork. He said
he once applied for the CIA, and then he just
embellished it. But here's why, I don't think it's quite
a spoiler anybody who would be involved with stuff that
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is illegal by any international norm. Maybe he got touched,
maybe his handlers came back to him and said, yeah, no,
just go on Today Show or Dateline or whatever and
tell them that you made it up, or else you
know what's going to happen to your family.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Oh, by the.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Way, here's a picture of your relatives close up while
they're asleep NICs.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
That's fun. Yeah, the classic intimidation move, but also very Lynchian, Yes.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Quite so. And this is I mean, this is fascinating.
I know this stood out to all three of us because,
first off, to be quite honest, I think we all
had to go look up who Chuck Barris was. Did
anybody get like a sudden lightning and go, oh, yeah, Chuck.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
The movie I remember them just from the movie.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Mainly, it all Yeah, Okay, okay, right on, I'm alone
with that one. I was like, I was like, there's
a house Yon era of game shows. And now to
be completely conspiratorial about this. The cool thing here, Boozy,
the texting bear is the following. Should we look into
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every game show host? What's going on with Trebec? You know,
what happened? What really happened? Should we look into who's
the price is right? Guy who was around forever?
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Bob Barker?
Speaker 3 (20:45):
What about Bob?
Speaker 4 (20:46):
I mean, yeah, he was a big he was really
into spaying and neutering animals. I remember he always talked
about that. Not that that's a red flag of any guy.
I will say this. When Alex Trebek shaved his mustache
and and you know, rip Alex, I really lost all
trust in that man. That's a hill that I will
die on.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
What happened?
Speaker 5 (21:04):
He shaved his mustache?
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Yeah, he shaved his mustache. Oh and he was dead
to me?
Speaker 5 (21:10):
And now he's actually dead.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
I'm just joking. He's a lovely man and a very
important cultural figure from Canada.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Could you phrase that as a question?
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Now? I will not.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
All Right, so game show host.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Are they all spies? Let's start a new stereotype. Thank
you Poosy the texting.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Bear really quickly. Just on our Alistair episode, we got
a message from Orpheus Fox guys. Going into the episode,
I remembered our previous research that we had done on
topics surrounding Alistair, and I don't know if you guys
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remember in the episode I called him Crowley a couple
of times because I could not figure out or find
if any if there was any sand to things like
the stuff Orpheus was saying that it is Crowley as
in a crow or holy. It rhymes with holy rather
than Crowley and foully. I just do we know for
(22:14):
sure or like I I've heard it pronounced different ways.
I genuinely don't know if there is a right way
to pronounce the man's name.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Yeah, I don't know either. I think you'd like it
that way probably, So, guys, let's take a quick break
here I work from our sponsor, and then we'll return
with a listener.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Now, and we've returned guys off air. Before we started
rolling Tennessee, Palell and Ben came up with a new
thing that we're gonna share with you right now, and
we are challenging you to come up with a version
of this that works and is delicious. You ready, It's
(22:55):
called the Caper's doa. It's a case of d with
capers in it. What else is in there with the capers?
Speaker 4 (23:03):
We don't know who asked for this?
Speaker 2 (23:09):
No, not into it. Okay, Well, if you are right
to us, let us know. Looking for you, Chef Ben.
All right, here we go. We're jumping to a message
we got from someone calling themselves swearing in. This is
an email you guys don't normally do this first, but
we're gonna jump in right here because it's worth discussion.
I believe hey, y'all, you can call me swearing in.
(23:33):
I recently watched Deadwood Amazing. I come to you today
after a discussion with coworkers this week about weird things
going on. Have y'all noticed every major cell service has
been offering free Apple phones, watches, and tablets for switching
to their service.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Wheels.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
A few years back, all they wanted was your two
year locked down contract to pay that phone off. Now
they're in America and then swearing in posts a link
to something coming from the Jerusalem Post on March tenth,
twenty twenty six. The title of the article is Apple
announced the iPhone seventeen E with a chip developed in Israel,
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and then there's a follow up message that just says this,
I realize that everyone wants our data, so that could
be a reason. But I've seen the Kingsman movie where
Sam Jackson blows everyone up using free phones he gave out,
also Israel blowing up people in Lebanon with pagers free Palestine,
and ends with that. So let's begin unpacking this a
(24:42):
little bit. The first thing I did was check out
if if folks really are giving away free phones, and
if you look around, you can see, at least on
Google all sorts of organizations such as T Mobile and Verizon,
some of the biggest players in the game, do seem
to be giving away the Apple products. The only thing
(25:05):
you may not notice in those ads that you'll find
if you search for that stuff, is that there's still
there's still our fees. Basically they get worked into your contract.
They're paying off that phone, so it isn't free, but
it is pretty nice that to get started you don't
have to put the five hundred and ninety nine dollars down,
which is what let's say in Apple iPhone seventeen E
would cost you, which is really low.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Actually, yeah, they're crazy. They used to be more expensive,
didn't they.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Yeah, yeah, it's so just off the jump. It's not
quite as as swearing in as saying it is, but
it is pretty dang close. It is similar though to
how it's always been finding a way to get the
consumer to pay for the thing, just over time now.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
And a plan.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Yeah, you do have to sign up for the services
that are like above the bottom tier. You know, you
can't get in with their their lowest service and get
a free phone. You have to go up a couple tiers.
And again it all makes sense.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
It's all about.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Profit, yeah, because otherwise everybody in Rikers would have the
latest iPhone. But the swearing in what you're saying here
is a matter of concern. Too quick interjections on this point. First,
the concept of a loss leader, right, So Sony is
(26:30):
famous for this. Sony will create or has created, like
a gaming console, and that gaming console will actually cost
Sony more to manufacture and transport. Then they will profit
from selling it to you, the retail consumer. The way
they make their money is based on all of the
(26:53):
other income streams that arrive once they get you in
the sandbox. So iPhones are great example of this. Telecom
is a great example of this. All you have to
do is say, hey, I'll give you this thing. I'm
holding up a phone because we're on you know, we're
on audio. For this, I'm holding up a typical iPhone.
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And let's say we get that for a song, we
get that for a steal, the company gets something in return.
The transaction is that now you have apps that they
can all lam pray a little bit of a little
bit of profit from, right, every time you use the
app store, every podcast you listen to, right, every other
(27:36):
associated thing you tie to your device, like let's say
one of those medical monitoring wristwatches. So there is logic
to that that doesn't necessarily have to be surveillance based.
But if we get to the second point, now, I'll
wrap this up real quick. If we are creating loss
(27:57):
leaders in terms of hardware to achieve multiple income streams, right,
if we're going to squeeze the blood from the stone
of the consumer any way we can, then zero point
two surveillance is naturally logically a part of that. A
Yo binta.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Yep took the words right out of my mouth, mister Bolan,
love it, so we will. Yeah, let's I agreed. Let's
jump to quickly something that was said here about Kingsman,
that Kingsman movie with Sam Jackson. Spoilers by the way, woops.
The movie is from twenty fourteen. It is Kingsman the
(28:39):
Secret Service, and the character there Richmond Valentine, a billionaire
and philanthropists. He doesn't give people exploding phones. That's not
what he does in the movie. And I don't mean
to correct you here, It's just it's what he does.
He gives out free SIM cards to give access to
(29:01):
free internet and free Wi Fi and all that stuff,
and then those SIM cards receive signals that then turn
everybody uncontrollably violent when they're around one of the phones
or devices that use the SIM card. There is a
whole other thing, and we understand why you're a little
mistaken there, because another plot in that movie is there
(29:22):
are these implants that people have that do in fact
have explosives in them. Those are just inside like the
world leaders and the thought leaders that are going along
with this conspiracy just to make sure they stay in line,
although they believe it's so that they can you know
signal jam the crazy inducing signals. It's really just ways
(29:46):
to control the people because they kill them with the devices. Okay,
so there's that. That's a fictional movie about a fake
thing that didn't happen. A real thing that did happen
back in twenty twenty four. Is the other thing you
mentioned there. This is something we've talked about on Strange News,
and we've brought it up a couple other times. This
(30:06):
is according to CNN September twenty seventh, twenty twenty four,
when quote Israel concealed explosives inside batteries of pagers sold
to Hesbela, according to Lebanese officials, I'm going to read
a little bit of this from you, just in case
you forgot about this story. Israel carried out part of
its device attack targeting Hesbela by concealing explosives inside the
(30:26):
batteries of pagers brought into Lebanon, according to two high
ranking Lebanese security officials, who said the technology was so
advanced it was virtually undetectable. We talked a lot about this.
You can look this up if you wish. To the
blasts that happened over two days in pagers and walkie talkies,
killed at least thirty seven people, including some children, and
(30:47):
injured nearly three thousand, many folks who were standing near
the folks that actually had the pagers and walkie talkies.
We went into this whole thing. It was all about
supply chain. How in the heck did these explosives get
into these devices. That's what we discussed in the Strange
News episode. I don't know the date of that, but
(31:08):
I'm assuming you can go back to late twenty twenty
four and find it.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Yeah, it's did that one on. That's the Strange News
segment from September twenty third, twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Perfect, perfect, great date, September twenty third. There's that twenty
three number again.
Speaker 5 (31:26):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Oh good, remember numerology.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Okay, let's cut off. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Yeah, it's one of the first first parts of that episode.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Yeah, so let's go back to that CNN article. Lebanon's
Communications ministry said that the ic V eighty two radios
used in the attack were not supplied by a recognized agent,
were not officially licensed, and had not been vetted by
the security services. ICOM said that the ICV eighty two
model these are the two specific models of devices here
(31:58):
was discontinued a decade to go, and it could not
determine whether the devices targeted in Lebanon were counterfeit or
shipped from its company. They shouldn't figure it out, however,
The New York Times reported, citing three intelligence officers briefed
on the operation, that Israel had set up at least
three shell companies to disguise the identities of those making
the pagers, who were in fact Israeli intelligence officers. Okay,
(32:24):
far's all of that. That is something that actually happened.
That is real. That is reel. Hey uh, here's the
other thing that happened, at least according to the Jerusalem
Post that swearing In takes note of and sent to US.
Apple recently announced its iPhone seventeen E, a model intended
(32:46):
to make its AI technology accessible to a broader audience.
The iPhone seventeen E comes with an A nineteen chip,
full support for Apple Intelligence, and a new cellular modem
developed in Israel, all at the same time price tag
of five hundred and ninety nine US bucks. The N
one wireless connectivity chip and the C one x cellular modem.
(33:08):
These are the two things that were developed there. Apple,
by the way, does have a development office and group
there in Israel that does things that creates all kinds
of new tech for their devices. That is not weird
and out of the ordinary at all. That is just
how that company is set up. But we can see
(33:29):
why swearing In made this connection, right, that makes sense.
I would just say where we stand today and what
I am observing does not give me pause with these things,
specifically that wireless connectivity chip and the cellular modem simply
because the thing that was known about the attacks that
(33:51):
were carried out on Lebanon was that they were lithium
ion batteries that had this explosive laced throughout the battery itself,
and that is what created the explosive. That is the
thing that caused the device to explode. Here we are
talking specifically about connectivity chips, right, and ways in which
(34:12):
communication is occurring. I don't see anything to worry about that.
They're other than you know. I don't know if you
guys saw the recent news, but Israel, the country was
recently put on kind of a list by the United
States as saying, hey, we need to watch out specifically
for spying that Israel is doing because yeah, because of
(34:35):
these peace talks and just how infiltrated. I suppose that
they feel or are aware of that we just don't
have the full details of. And that's, you know, it's
weird to even be talking about this. That's not to
call anyone out individually or any person or any group.
It is just to say this is a country that
is doing things and has done things that might make
(34:56):
someone like our listener here feel a bit off.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
And also it must be acknowledged, as is our remit.
The United States recently fired its most competent people in
these spheres right of information and expertise. So in a
very real way, Uncle Sam is asleep at the wheel,
(35:21):
Like how far is the screw worm outbreak going to get?
We don't know. We fired all the people who could
tell us how far is bully going to get? How compromised?
Right are these chains of communication? That's a difficult question
to answer, swearing in, especially when we realized that the
(35:45):
people who spent their lives learning how to explore and
answer these questions have been given the boot, and to
take it one step further, swearing In, Matt Noele Tennessee.
We have to understand that other places, other operations, and
other outfits are more than happy to scoop up disowned
(36:08):
Boffin right, disowned Egghead, operation paper Clip, you know, never
really ended. People just changed the names.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
One other thing that happened literally a day ago, as
we record on June ninth, a guy that I don't
generally listen to that much or I don't find myself
watching him say words out of his mouth. But this guy,
fellow Thomas Massey on on the UH on the floor
(36:39):
of Congress, did you see him call out the USS Liberty. Yes,
that was nuts to see that happen and be put
into the record like that. That's the kind of thing
that generally wouldn't happen.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Stay tuned for our episode, folks on the saga of
the USS.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Liberty and guys just something just to carry me. We
were talking about D Day in a recent episode, and
it came up like some of the sort of counterintelligence
measures that the US, you know, employed. Specifically, we were
talking about a training exercise that was a disaster pre
D Day and exercise Tiger and Matt, I think you
(37:19):
had brought up a previous conversation we'd had about Major
William Martin r M, who was a basically a corpse
that was planted with documents so that German intelligence would
find them and papers and all that stuff in a
I guess operation known as Operation Mincemeat. And it just
(37:42):
hit me that there is a very highly regarded new
Broadway show version of this story called Operation mince Meat,
and it's supposed to be a real romp. Whoah. I
think that's just what a fun topic to do a
Broadway show about. I have no idea how they're going
to handle it, but it's it seems like it's getting
rave reviews.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
I didn't know that. I'm sorry, I'm looking up right now.
Operation mince Meat.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Yeah you can. I wrote a episode of Ridiculous History
back in twenty twenty two about Operation Min's Meat. So
we did that when Noel you might remember this too,
we had it. We called it something like Britain's Schoolish
Plan to fool the Nazis. So please check that out, folks,
(38:27):
if you want the blow by blow. And I think
we did that episode because we were inspired by the
Netflix film that came out.
Speaker 5 (38:36):
All right, there was a Netflix film.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
I'm just fascinated by the idea of giving this stuff
the Rasmataz Broadway Musical.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Treat I know, how are they going to think about that?
Speaker 5 (38:47):
Well, you can get yourself at tickets right now.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
I think they're actually some discounted ones available and it
is playing currently on Broadway at the Golden Theatre at
two fifty two West forty fifth Street.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
And while you're in New York, why not just hang
out all the way through October and then join us
on Virgin Voyages.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
Oh gosh, ya do it? Please join us. We will
be at sea with other stuff shows, including stuff you
should know and stuff Mom never told you. So get
over to Virgin Voyages now and book your passage on
the Valiant Lady for let's see, what is it October.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
Second, second through the seventh.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Yeah, so hey, if you want to know exactly where
we'll be and when, listen up, and you too can
be there, and we'll be on a ship with you
with international waters on every side.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
So much could happen.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Let's get weird, all right, that's it for me, be
right back with more messages from you.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
And we have returned. This is something. Look, there are
a couple things we're not going to get to in
the last act of this listener mail segment. But that's
a good problem to have, as corporate folks say, because
we have had so much amazing correspondence. Let's do it
this way, guys. Let's go to the Hero of Canton
(40:20):
and then let's talk about microchips, and then maybe we
can share some stunning feedback on our recent interview with
Amanda Knox on the Lucy Letpie case. Sound good? Yes,
thank you all. Yeah, if you were like, nah, that sucks,
we just have to wrap the episode. We just have
(40:44):
to wrap the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
Way, Let's go for it.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
So here we go, Hero of Canton. You right, My
county decided to get rid of them, but Flock hasn't
removed them, so our sheriffs covered them with bags. Good
news and seemingly positive steps forward. This is, of course,
a reference to the infamous flock cameras. We've been working
(41:11):
on an episode about these things. How would we just
guy's pre episode? How would we describe flock camera surveillance
to anyone who hasn't heard of it before?
Speaker 4 (41:24):
Problematic? Okay, a plot of Batman the Dark Knight.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
Right, Yeah, you're nailing it. Man, You're on fire.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Yeah, a massive interconnected series of cameras that watch mostly
roads to see who goes by and when, and a
lot of times they have this helpful little thing that
reads license plates.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
Yes, yes, and I can also gather biometric data. We're
all on fire with this. It is something that we
clocked a while ago or flocked a while ago. And
there are two be Fair activists in multiple cities that
are deploying Geria tactics to disable flock cameras. What our
(42:13):
hero here is talking about is specifically a story coming
to us out of Dane County in Wisconsin. So Dane County,
like so many other counties, they had a they had
an agreement contract with the private company Flock, and Flock
(42:33):
gave them twenty six cameras across the county. The contract
didn't work out. It turns out that the public, surprise, surprise,
hated the idea of being continually surveilled without their knowledge,
without their consent, and without any idea of what information
(42:56):
about them would go where. So the Dane County Board
got together and due to this public outcry, they voted
to end the contract in April, and the company Flock,
apparently just went on their marrig way with it and said, oh,
(43:18):
that's cool. You guys are voting. That's cute. That's so cool.
Why that's adorable. But we're going to keep going. So
this is where we get to the rubber meeting the road.
Thanks to Ashley Wheel writing for WMTV fifteen, they're out
of Wisconsin, guys, we're talking about this off air. The
(43:40):
sheriff's department, the deputies, all of them. They went around
to old twenty six Flock cameras across the county and
they put bags over them so that the cameras wouldn't work.
So they're not vandalizing the equipment, they're not breaking the cameras,
but they're hoping that if they literally put plastic bags
(44:04):
over these things, the company will get annoyed enough to
remove the cameras that the county has voted against.
Speaker 4 (44:13):
Because something to do with like the length of the contract.
Like they basically can't just get rid of them without, yeah,
being in breach in some way. So they're just like,
you know, trying to sabotage them a little bit, like yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
Yeah, I think Flock owns the cameras, right.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
I think it's because Flock doesn't want to spend the
time and money resources to go and take them all down,
because that's that's a lot of work. It reminds me
a lot of something I've experienced here, and I don't
know if you or anyone else has experienced something like this.
Two times now I have experienced a company that refuses
(44:50):
to remove their hardware from my home that I own
well in the bank, mostly the bank, but I I'm
on paper as owning it. And there's a giant Direct
TV satellite dish on top of my roof in one place,
and I called Direct TV and they will not come
and remove the thing or help me fix my roof
(45:14):
or anything like that or you know, sure I'm a homeowner.
That's on me, but that's crazy. They won't help me
do it. So I just got to figure out how
to get the bolts out and do all the repairs myself.
The same with Exfinity Home. They wouldn't they There was
a huge installation of hardware in this house when I
bought it, and I don't want any of the stuff,
and I have to go in and figure out how
(45:34):
to take it all out, and they don't want their
stuff back. It's just such an interesting thing kind of
reminds me, Ben of what you were talking about with
the Apple phones. Once the hardware is in the hands,
it's done its job, and who cares about it. It's
doing what it's going to do. Once it's useless and
no longer transmitting data or you know, bringing in that
(45:55):
other revenue stream, like you said, then why the heck
would they ever spend any more money on it.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
That's a great question, you know, and it's a dilemma
that the Dane County officials are dealing with. They said,
Flock owns these cameras, they own this hardware. It's technically
their property, so it's illegal for us to remove them. However,
(46:21):
the county has reached out to Flock multiple times and said, hey,
are you still able to collect information despite the ending
of this contract right to your earlier point. Now, Flock
didn't get back to them. They also said, hey, can
you take these down? They asked multiple times, and Flock
(46:44):
refused to respond. This episode is going to be big
for us, folks. It is going to be something unfortunately
common to a lot of counties and municipalities here in
the United States. I mean, also, guys, if you look
at the picture from our journalist here. Uh, you'll see
(47:06):
that these are not the top tier of plastic bags,
you know what I mean. Like, they're not the black
or gray trash bags. They're the translucent stuff that you
would maybe put oranges in at a grocery store. So
how much uh, how much data are they actually stopping
(47:28):
at this point? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (47:30):
They should have used the aluminum foil.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
They should have used aluminum foil and faradated. Please check
out our episode on aluminum foil or timfoil. Didn't we
we had a timfoil?
Speaker 5 (47:43):
I think so. And then there's also that weird Al jam.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
And there's that excellent weird al jam, which he.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
Didn't play at his concert. My son was really upset.
He come on, weird Al, that's one of the coolest
hippist songs.
Speaker 4 (47:55):
You've got, yes song.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
It's up there with Waffle ca. I just don't know
I got to you.
Speaker 4 (48:02):
I just don't know if Royal's the song that at
parodies is quite looming large enough in the zeitgeist for
that to be part of his regular set.
Speaker 3 (48:10):
It's no Noish Paradise, It's no Waffle King, But.
Speaker 5 (48:16):
I love the Lord y'alla.
Speaker 4 (48:17):
The Lord is in my heart and I think Royals
is a banger, but I'm more of a tennis court
guy myself.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
But in these alien centric times that I mean, come on,
did he do Yoda? Uh?
Speaker 6 (48:31):
He did?
Speaker 2 (48:32):
It's is it Yoda? I don't know he did the
one that's like the saga according to my son, and
that's later.
Speaker 5 (48:37):
That's later. Yoda is an earlier one.
Speaker 4 (48:39):
It's a a spin on Lola by the Kinks.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
Yoda Yo yo yo yo yoa.
Speaker 5 (48:49):
Down in Bob.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
That's great. We also, uh gosh, we're we're a little
rushed for time here, so kay. We're unfortunately not going
to be able to get to you this week, but
tune in next week. We heard from a crown servant
who investigates deaths in the NHS services. And we always
(49:12):
love it when we throw a line out to the
void and an expert returns to us, right, just like Laney,
our phenomenal reporter and editor over there in Tahoe. So
we get experts writing in. Please check out our next
week's program for more from k It's a deep dive.
(49:34):
I don't even want to crack the top on it yet, guys,
So instead of that, let's kick it with Let's kick
it with some great news. Hey. Have you ever owned
a prison and then people get out of the prison
and you're like, I wish I could keep a better
eye on those people that used to make me so
(49:55):
much money. I wish I could get them back into
my prison as soon as possible. If so, this is
for you. It comes to us courtesy of HB who writes, hey, guys,
just read this.
Speaker 4 (50:08):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (50:09):
Government ministers have been discussing plans to implant microchips under
the skin of prison leaders with Neurolink that's Elon Musk
and Neurotech that's Peter Teel, the antichrist guy, as well
as other state sponsored and private corporations around the world
working on this. It feels like the trickle is building
(50:32):
up before the flood. Some theories are already out there,
connecting the companies with access to US detention centers, easy
access to immigrant guinea pigs, talk about thought police. Guys.
I know we all clocked this, but it's bad, right,
Like we've built a thematic, a thematic through line here
(50:55):
regarding surveillance, lost leader consoles and flock cameras, and now
we're talking about the idea of putting tracking chips into
the bodies of people who leave prison, which means they've
(51:15):
served their time.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
Right, This is real.
Speaker 3 (51:20):
This is a real discussion at a round table attended
by the prison's minister and the senior Ministry of Justice
officials over in the UK, which is already one of
the most heavily surveilled weird archipelagos on the planet.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
Dang, but they're not going to do this, There's no way.
Speaker 3 (51:42):
I don't know. I think they're going to do it.
I think they're gonna do it. Go to Inside Time, folks,
hie the two sources that HB has linked us to
go to also Science Times, a revolutionary prison concept using
AI and bring implants to fast track criminal rehabilitation. It
(52:06):
is so nineteen eighty four, you guys. It is such
spooky stuff. It is unclean, especially like, all right, let's
pause for a second. For everybody who's been incarcerated, you
know that you lose a lot of privacy for the
rest of your life, no matter what. You also know,
(52:26):
for all of us who have worked with intelligence or
worked in the military or the armed services in some capacity,
you also lose a lot of privacy. At this point
in the United States, your DNA is recorded, right, your
biometrics up the wazoo. They got you, and they're keeping
(52:46):
an eye on you. But these folks who are in prison,
when they're released from prison, doesn't that mean they have
a chance to be a citizen again? Like if you
what you screwed up? You stole a car one time.
Now you've got a microchip in you.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
Well, yeah, the microchip is supposed to be used in
concert with a v r AI generated experience of the
crime that they are in jail for. Yeah, and it
is too. The chip is designed to make them feel
regret and sadness and empathy for the victim of the crime.
(53:28):
This is all this is like Clockwork Orange, but it's
but it's all theoretical, right, It's all like, hey, we
could do this with our AI thing.
Speaker 5 (53:37):
Well, but that's the question.
Speaker 4 (53:38):
That's a really good reference point, Ben and Clockwork Orange.
The question then becomes, are you really remorseful if it's
like forced upon you or if it's like hypnotized into you.
And that sounds a hell of a lot like what
is being described here, that it's some sort of force
experience that creates the I don't know, sort of a
(54:01):
stand in for real empathy or a real penance, real remorse.
Speaker 5 (54:07):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (54:09):
That's the That's the question posed by Burgess's book, is like,
is it real at that point?
Speaker 1 (54:14):
Right?
Speaker 4 (54:15):
And then of course spoiler alert, it can be undone.
Speaker 3 (54:19):
Yeah, And this to clarify here, folks, you can hopefully
tell this bothers, uh, all of us and we're kind
of mad that Dylan has so much money invested in
these chips. But I get it, Dylan, I get it.
Speaker 4 (54:32):
He's got to pay for his rutebega form somehow.
Speaker 3 (54:35):
I know, right. And what we have to clarify here
is that we're talking about two different theoretical conversations. Okay.
One is the idea that people who have served their
time will spend the rest of their lives with a
unstoppable tracking device implanted inside of them, which is much
(55:00):
much more difficult to put down than say, your cell
phone of choice. The second thing, I think this is
one that really bugs all of us, is this idea
you're talking about there and no all the it's called Cognify.
Cognify is the VR experience, and these rehab meetings are
(55:24):
specifically targeting parts of your brain, the anterior cingulate cortex,
the paradal lobe, the abmgdala, the hippocampus, the prefrontal cortex,
the stuff where the fun happens. Okay, if we're talking
about human neurochemistry and there when if they get into
(55:44):
your mind this way, they're not just doing a burgess.
They're not just clockwork oranging you with your you know,
with your eyes stuck open and all that stuff. What
they're doing is screwing with time, screwing with your experience
of time. So you guys, ever had a dream that
(56:06):
felt like it was years and years of your life?
Speaker 5 (56:10):
No, but apparently that's what DMT is like.
Speaker 4 (56:14):
Or not years and years, but it achieves sort of
a kind of internal time control in that way.
Speaker 3 (56:22):
I think several of us in the audience have had
the experience where you lose consciousness and then you live
an entirely different life and you wake up and you're like, oh, crap,
I forgot I'm Jeremy or I'm Jennifer. Episode just so, yeah,
(56:43):
that's a great that's a great comparison there. Matt Cognify
rehabilitation might will attempt to do this.
Speaker 2 (56:52):
The only problem is it's a completely made up thing
from this guy Hushim Malgali, who like made a video
about it, and then Reuter's has you know, it's if
you look at the snopes from this, it's like just
the concept, right, It's like somebody coming up with an idea,
posting it online on social media, and then some groups
(57:15):
pick up on it like it's a real thing. The
good thing is it's not actually happening. It's definitely it's
like a pitch for a Black Mirror episode.
Speaker 3 (57:25):
Yeah, but every I would argue, then everything is a
concept until it becomes a practice, right, Like the idea
of a car was a crazy concept and then it
became a real thing.
Speaker 2 (57:38):
So here you just with social media literally anything any
you know, anything anyone says, if it is made to
look real and legitimate, you can dupe people, is all
I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (57:49):
Oh for sure, that's been happening for years, even without
social media. But I see what both of you are saying,
and I think what Ben's saying is like the way
so much science fiction, yeah, was so speculative. And then
of course, you know, many things have come to fruition,
even like you know, riskwash communicators used to seem like
gout to you know, just absurd, impossible, improbable at the
very least. And now it's just like it'd be hard
to picture a world without them and the whole like
(58:12):
you know, Arthur C. Clark technology and magic comparison, Like
I get it. And man, the more technology evolves, the
more exponential it becomes in terms of what is possible
in shorter timeline. So I wouldn't put it past the
realm of possibility that something like this could be real.
Speaker 3 (58:31):
Thanks, man, I appreciate that, because, you know, not too
long ago when we started this show, things like flock
technology were considered science fiction largely, right, and now what's happening,
and now there are there are legitimate law enforcement outfits
that can do nothing better than put plastic bags over
(58:55):
something that people called social media BS not too too
low long ago, for.
Speaker 4 (59:01):
Sure, And also, as always is the case, the policing
of that technology lags woefully behind you know what the
technology is capable of. I think that's just going to continue.
And it was something like this posing kind of an
existential problem. I just don't see any world where if
it does become possible, they're not just gonna roll it
right on out and try it out on folks.
Speaker 3 (59:22):
You know, yeah, make it a lost leader and you know,
let God decide the income streams to follow. We're gonna
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
my name is Noel.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our
super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you
argue you are here. That makes this the stuff they
don't want you to know. If you are tuning in
to our weekly listener mail segment, The Evening It Publishers,
welcome to Thursday, June eleventh, twenty twenty six. Are prisoners
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gonna get micro chipped? Are we ever gonna here? Back
on our very vanilla readings of hip hop? Lyrics of old?
What about flock? What about swearing in? What about meta glasses?
We've got to get to all of this. And before
we get to all of this, we also have to
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acknowledge that rude begas take time to grow.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
And now it's been a little overcast lately too, so
you know, they they don't really do well in the shade,
or maybe they did.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
What do I know?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
What do I know?
Speaker 6 (01:30):
Of people.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
It's an important distinction.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Tennessee has so many things to do outside of just
creating incredible root of begas for us. Okay, so don't
stop coming at him, fruit Loop. Yeah yeah, we heard dat.
Fruit Yeah you fruit Loop called all disappointed because we
missed one one time and this is this is the
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second one. So we know we're gonna get another message.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Just chill.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
Keep our man's name out of your mouth.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Yeah, okay, keep that bega out of your route. Also,
more importantly, on a positive note, uh, we do want
to thank everybody who is written to us or called
in or contacted us via other means and said how
much they love the Igu Ruda Bega universe. So the
(02:27):
response has been powerful, to say the least. And Dyland,
I'm going to take a moment of accountability. Uh sorry,
I keep forwarding those emails to you of people laughing
about rudabagas and pitching ruda begas. I know this is
a very serious thing and we don't want to treat
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it like a joke.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
Hey, I love it, And for Loop, if you have
an idea for rudabagas, send it my way, you know, cross.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
You know, guys, I'm just going to throw this out there.
I mean, uh, and forgive me for being forward. There
are some podcasts that just put out open calls for
for listener generated drops. You know, if anybody wants to
make a rout of Bega, would you be open to that?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (03:08):
Absolutely, a lot of fun. Wouldn't that be fun?
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Just throw on that?
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I think so, I think so. I don't know. I'm scared.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
Obviously we curate them.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Just because you send it doesn't mean it gets on
the air. But I mean, by all means, send us
your Vegas great things are scary?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Why don't we just play Froot Loops message now, Dylan,
you're gonna you're gonna want to hear this.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Here we go.
Speaker 6 (03:29):
Hey, guys, longtime listener, first time caller. You can call
me fruit Loops. I just wanted to express you, guys,
the vast disappointment at listening to this week's or I
guess it's today's most recent episode of listener Mail and
hearing that the Ruta Bega sections are no longer going
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to be included. I understand that the root Is and
the Baker's got a Bega, but they have been getting
better every single week and Dylan has been doing a
masterful job of producing. I would love to see them
come back at some point, and just wanted to give
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a shout out to the Tennessee pal for creating such
an entertaining series around such a niche and not often
discussed enough roots vegetable. Thanks for all you guys do.
Oh and in response to your last question, I listen
to you guys when I am in the car on
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my lungs to and from work. Thanks so much for
all you guys do.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Talk to you later, and thank you fruit Loop.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
I hope we didn't give that impression that sounds like
a click. It's a classic case of misunderstanding. The rudeberg
Is aren't going anywhere. We just had a little bit
of an off week. Reports of my death are greatly exaggerated,
greatly exaggerated.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Yeah, nobody listened to fruit Loop.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Yeah I'm just joking.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Now.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
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Speaker 5 (05:14):
Okay, and we're bad guys. Is anyone here feeling like
a pimp?
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Should we go in and brush our shoulders off before
we talk about some hip hop music.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
You know, I don't know what that feeling is.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Yees, clearly none of me.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
No, speaking for myself personally.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Yeah, it's certainly the about as white a hip hop
fan as they come. And honestly, I think I lean
into the slightly dorky lyric readings of hip hop because
it's just, you know, it's not my wheelhouse. So I'm
just gonna like read it like I would do a
reading of like Lord Byron or something, I guess. And
we had a couple of folks reaching out acknowledging that,
(05:52):
and I think it's funny, so I just figured we'd
acknowledge it right back. This one comes from anonymous. Actually
that's not true. I'm gonna read their cipher name because
they sent us. This is either Hollywood six or Smokey Ramirez,
a couple of Atlanta hip hop guys who have some
stuff on YouTube if you want to check it out.
It linked to a cipher video that you can find
(06:15):
on YouTube, and had this to say about our hip
hop lyrics discussion. Hey guys, so I listened to your
listener mail episode. I must say some of the readings
of the hip hop lyrics were hilarious. Maybe it's just
because they were read in such a vanilla square. By
the way, can I just say vanilla Square that would
be a really fun name for a jam band as well,
(06:35):
no offense, tone and cadence. I would like to say,
you guys need some hip hop outside in New York
in your life, buddy, anti pop consortiums from Chicago, and
I'm certain at least one of those dropped an outside
of New York reference. But hey, continuing anyways, I see
that you have been intrigued by ciphers and the hidden
messages that can be buried within. We certainly are, and
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our buddy and compatriot Ben is quite the for himself,
and it's been the one who's hipped me to a
lot of good hip hop records and got me fascinated
by him this very thing. So he continues being a
hip hop artist for twenty something years. Myself, I would
like to share with you guys one of our ciphers
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from a couple of years ago. Of course, we're not huge,
We've just been kicking around Atlanta for a long long time.
Have fun with that, guys, and we're gonna have a
little fun with it, Dylan, if you at your at
your leisure, maybe want to pick a little little moment,
little little ten second cipher from this YouTube link. That
would be awesome. I got you.
Speaker 7 (07:36):
Heck yeah, I remember back being when it just came
to me, and I was only fifteen, with a whole
lot of rage. I was just a kid, and move
went and even prison up depending up and started writing
on a page. And I think it were amazing, and
the think that I would do win every day even
though I wasn't even getting paid.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
I ain't even really care about the money.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
I just wanted you to know that I'm the business.
Get the fuck if I'm away now I'm going on
the range everywhere. Awesome.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
We love hearing music from our listeners. And hey guys,
if you want to do a Rootebaker cipher as offered earlier,
please send it our way. Conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Can somebody define cipher? We got a message that we're
using that term incorrectly. I genuinely don't know what that's
specifically referring to.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
I mean, in like tradecraft, it just refers to like
codes and like you know, a coded message of some
kind and I've often heard in hip hop a cipher
just referring to lines to lyrics. But Ben, maybe you
could help shed some light on.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
That sure thing. Yeah, this is a term that is
often debated in some ways, but at its basis, a
cipher is differentiated from a battle. So a battle is
where MC's two or more attempt the braggadocio, right, Ai'm cool,
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b or not. See here's why. That's the typical length
of a typical formula structure of a battle. A cipher
is more like picture five of your best friends and
then three guys you don't know from the parking lot
or the train who just get to a circle and
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do any number of a versus of freestyles. And then
again it becomes more difficult because people are still fighting
about what constitutes a freestyle. Is it off the dome,
made up, improvised on the spot, or is it something
pre written that just hasn't been on a record before
(09:39):
or hasn't been on that beat before. So what cipher
essentially is hanging out and doing cool linguistic magical tricks
with people who could be your friends.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
That makes so much sense, And I'm certain that I've
used the term incorrectly, but I will say I have
also heard it sort of interchangeably used even in lyric
x just to talk about like a sort of deeply
referential line of hip hop.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yes yeah again, like you were saying earlier there in
a puzzle h trade path right, so a double triple
entendre and so on. Sorry I went French there. It's
just the most fun way to say on Pandre.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
It's the only way if you ask me.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
I've always associated with the kind of challenge thing where
I've seen an artist go on, gosh, I'm in my head,
I'm imagining Sway, but I know that's not the right
human being.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
I met Sway he was at the Ruths picnic and
he request Love interviewed him, and he was so nice.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
He was a lovely man.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
What beautiful, what a cool Now. The thing I liked
so much about him was he acknowledged how he got
a lot of flak for going on MTV and like
doing MTV News because he kind of came more from
like the underground hip hop, like in the Bay Area.
And then he sort of knowledge how he had made
peace with that and how he felt that he brought
his own personality and authenticity and knowledge of hip hop,
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and that he did more good than harm and you know,
maybe schooling some people about some stuff they wouldn't have
found out about otherwise. I just really liked his whole
attitude about that. He just seemed like a really, really mellow,
lovely guy. He was just talking about how he good
energy man, good vibes.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Kind of guy.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Oh yeah, but he seems to be a really cool person.
I said high to him a couple years ago the
Black Effect Festival, but I was way too shy to
actually get into conversation. But the thing I'm imagining in
my mind is where an artist is presented with increasingly
difficult beats, you.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Know, five fingers at death kind of okay vibe. Yeah,
So Sway in the Morning has the five Fingers of Death,
which is going to be a series of five beats.
Sometimes they are increasingly difficult in terms of tempo cadence.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
So right, okay, Well it just goes as I don't
know things. You're welcome, sorry to interrupt there so.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
Much, and you know what you're talking about. That's what
this is for.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
So we've gotten here when coming now from old woodwork,
and he recommends not Sleeping on Jay Live. All of
the above is one of my all time favorite albums.
He gets more politically poignant as he ages check out
No Time to Waste for the acrimoniously titled SPTA. I'm
not sure what that stands for. I gotta find out.
(12:28):
Let's see why it's acrimonious. Well, it does appear that
it stands for said person of that ability, but I
don't know what that's referencing, and there lies the cipheriness
of it all. Or check out some SoundCloud links that
he then includes for remixes of that other record you
mentioned the hereafter Brooklyn Public, another artist that he likes,
(12:49):
recounts this artist's time as a public school teacher and
whether the storm is a relevant, ever relevant reaction to
the post nine to eleven push for war. Heck yeah,
some really good recommendations there. Let's see yep.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
One more about hip hop.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
This one comes from Let's see Actually, this one's from anonymous.
Love the shout outs on your listener, Maile episode, I'm
surprised any of you have heard of Antipop Consortium. And
then he does the little googly eyed text based emoji
with the big eyes in the little mouth and I
love what you're doing in general. As KRS one said,
I want all my daughters to be like Maxine Waters.
That's a great rhyme. Last one guys on a slightly
(13:29):
different topic, and I think this is gonna give us
something to chat about. Here. We've got another one that
comes to us from a listener by the name of
Boozy the Texting Bear, and they are referencing our discussion
of Alistair Crowley.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
At a certain point in.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
The episode, we kind of started talking about how Alistair
Crowley seems to maybe have a few things in common
with allegations made against Jeffrey Epstein. Obviously they were both
very divisive and guild sea of gnarly stuff. He acts
of hedonism and abuse, and also both potentially being spies,
(14:08):
assets for you know, foreign governments. So Boozy the Texting
Bear says, your talk of Alistair Crowley and Jeffrey Epstein
possibly being spies made me think of Chuck Barris's claim
of being a CIA hit man. Have you ever done
an episode on him? Chuck Barris, of course, being was
like a television host.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
Game show, game show host. It was the dating game.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
That's exactly I've not done an episode on this one.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
We haven't, and that really blows my mind that we haven't,
because there is a whole ass movie about it starring
Sam Rockwell called Confessions of a Dangerous Mind, which, guys,
I think I must have seen that when it was
originally out in theaters, but I haven't in a long time,
and I really need to revisit it. It is based
on his nineteen eighty four unauthorized biography, Confessions of a
(14:57):
Dangerous Mind, where he claims that he was recruited by
the CIA in the nineteen sixties and used show business
travel as a way of covering his activities and carrying out,
you know, various acts of trade craft and clandestine operations,
including but not limited to, some assassinations. There is no
(15:19):
independently verified evidence, and the CIA has repeatedly denied that
he ever worked for them, but like, of.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Course they were right, like of course I am Jack's
a strong sense of skepticisy.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Yeah, a big time yeah. You know, George Clooney actually
made the film, if I'm not mistaken. It may have
been the first George Clooney directed film ever, and it
dramatizes Barris's account and does a fine job of blurring
fact and fiction to create a pretty, you know, your
unreliable narrator kind of adventure ROMP. So most biographersion journalists
(15:55):
do treat the spy story as some kind of self
mythologizing or or a form of dark satire rather than
as fact. But I think it is absolutely something that's
worth a deeper dive on stuff they don't want you
to know. But guys, any any further thoughts about you know,
kind of I think we were kind of coming up
with this similar conclusion that Crowley was just a big
(16:18):
mouth and that he there likely may may not have
been any sand to the idea that he was in
fact a spy. I think we all probably feel a
little more strongly about the Epstein spy allegations. But curious
of y'all's thoughts on these three figures and which ones
maybe have the most weight for me for.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
My money, I think anybody that can be used, like
if you are a person objectively looking at an individual
and you think to yourself, well, that person would be
convenient to have access to gain the knowledge that they
(16:57):
gained just by being, you know, next to other people
that you're interested in. I feel like if you can
objectively see that somebody probably is looking at that person
at least doesn't mean they're actively you know, working in
some way. But I would say, come on, these are
good candidates.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
Well for sure.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
And Ben, you brought up the connection or recent allegations.
Maybe not super recent, but as first i'd heard of
it that the CIA looks at Mormons as to you know,
hire as assets because of certain you know, qualities.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
I guess right, absolutely yes, the LDS. Certain LDS members
make great candidates on paper for one thing or another
due to the due to the tendency to avoid certain
vices like gambling or substance abuse. In addition, some.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Less appliable or lessargetable or what's the word I'm looking for, like,
it would be harder to get dirt on them, right.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Due to Another big factor is the ability to have
fluency in languages that a lot of other people in
the US do not speak. Given the requirement for missionary activity,
we also we have to respond to you here man
(18:29):
on the bearest case. Now, I know what I'm going
to say might sound like a spoiler, but we're setting
this up. So check out the episode either on ridiculous
history or stuff they don't want you to know. In
nineteen eighty four, our buddy Chuck Barris said he made
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the whole thing up. He said he was never ever
involved with the CIA, certainly not in wetwork. He said
he once applied for the CIA, and then he just
embellished it. But here's why, I don't think it's quite
a spoiler anybody who would be involved with stuff that
(19:13):
is illegal by any international norm. Maybe he got touched,
maybe his handlers came back to him and said, yeah, no,
just go on Today Show or Dateline or whatever and
tell them that you made it up, or else you
know what's going to happen to your family.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Oh, by the.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Way, here's a picture of your relatives close up while
they're asleep NICs.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
That's fun. Yeah, the classic intimidation move, but also very Lynchian, Yes.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Quite so. And this is I mean, this is fascinating.
I know this stood out to all three of us because,
first off, to be quite honest, I think we all
had to go look up who Chuck Barris was. Did
anybody get like a sudden lightning and go, oh, yeah, Chuck.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
The movie I remember them just from the movie.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Mainly, it all Yeah, Okay, okay, right on, I'm alone
with that one. I was like, I was like, there's
a house Yon era of game shows. And now to
be completely conspiratorial about this. The cool thing here, Boozy,
the texting bear is the following. Should we look into
(20:34):
every game show host? What's going on with Trebec? You know,
what happened? What really happened? Should we look into who's
the price is right? Guy who was around forever?
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Bob Barker?
Speaker 3 (20:45):
What about Bob?
Speaker 4 (20:46):
I mean, yeah, he was a big he was really
into spaying and neutering animals. I remember he always talked
about that. Not that that's a red flag of any guy.
I will say this. When Alex Trebek shaved his mustache
and and you know, rip Alex, I really lost all
trust in that man. That's a hill that I will
die on.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
What happened?
Speaker 5 (21:04):
He shaved his mustache?
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Yeah, he shaved his mustache. Oh and he was dead
to me?
Speaker 5 (21:10):
And now he's actually dead.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
I'm just joking. He's a lovely man and a very
important cultural figure from Canada.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Could you phrase that as a question?
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Now? I will not.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
All Right, so game show host.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Are they all spies? Let's start a new stereotype. Thank
you Poosy the texting.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Bear really quickly. Just on our Alistair episode, we got
a message from Orpheus Fox guys. Going into the episode,
I remembered our previous research that we had done on
topics surrounding Alistair, and I don't know if you guys
(21:52):
remember in the episode I called him Crowley a couple
of times because I could not figure out or find
if any if there was any sand to things like
the stuff Orpheus was saying that it is Crowley as
in a crow or holy. It rhymes with holy rather
than Crowley and foully. I just do we know for
(22:14):
sure or like I I've heard it pronounced different ways.
I genuinely don't know if there is a right way
to pronounce the man's name.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Yeah, I don't know either. I think you'd like it
that way probably, So, guys, let's take a quick break
here I work from our sponsor, and then we'll return
with a listener.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Now, and we've returned guys off air. Before we started
rolling Tennessee, Palell and Ben came up with a new
thing that we're gonna share with you right now, and
we are challenging you to come up with a version
of this that works and is delicious. You ready, It's
(22:55):
called the Caper's doa. It's a case of d with
capers in it. What else is in there with the capers?
Speaker 4 (23:03):
We don't know who asked for this?
Speaker 2 (23:09):
No, not into it. Okay, Well, if you are right
to us, let us know. Looking for you, Chef Ben.
All right, here we go. We're jumping to a message
we got from someone calling themselves swearing in. This is
an email you guys don't normally do this first, but
we're gonna jump in right here because it's worth discussion.
I believe hey, y'all, you can call me swearing in.
(23:33):
I recently watched Deadwood Amazing. I come to you today
after a discussion with coworkers this week about weird things
going on. Have y'all noticed every major cell service has
been offering free Apple phones, watches, and tablets for switching
to their service.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Wheels.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
A few years back, all they wanted was your two
year locked down contract to pay that phone off. Now
they're in America and then swearing in posts a link
to something coming from the Jerusalem Post on March tenth,
twenty twenty six. The title of the article is Apple
announced the iPhone seventeen E with a chip developed in Israel,
(24:16):
and then there's a follow up message that just says this,
I realize that everyone wants our data, so that could
be a reason. But I've seen the Kingsman movie where
Sam Jackson blows everyone up using free phones he gave out,
also Israel blowing up people in Lebanon with pagers free Palestine,
and ends with that. So let's begin unpacking this a
(24:42):
little bit. The first thing I did was check out
if if folks really are giving away free phones, and
if you look around, you can see, at least on
Google all sorts of organizations such as T Mobile and Verizon,
some of the biggest players in the game, do seem
to be giving away the Apple products. The only thing
(25:05):
you may not notice in those ads that you'll find
if you search for that stuff, is that there's still
there's still our fees. Basically they get worked into your contract.
They're paying off that phone, so it isn't free, but
it is pretty nice that to get started you don't
have to put the five hundred and ninety nine dollars down,
which is what let's say in Apple iPhone seventeen E
would cost you, which is really low.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Actually, yeah, they're crazy. They used to be more expensive,
didn't they.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Yeah, yeah, it's so just off the jump. It's not
quite as as swearing in as saying it is, but
it is pretty dang close. It is similar though to
how it's always been finding a way to get the
consumer to pay for the thing, just over time now.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
And a plan.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Yeah, you do have to sign up for the services
that are like above the bottom tier. You know, you
can't get in with their their lowest service and get
a free phone. You have to go up a couple tiers.
And again it all makes sense.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
It's all about.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Profit, yeah, because otherwise everybody in Rikers would have the
latest iPhone. But the swearing in what you're saying here
is a matter of concern. Too quick interjections on this point. First,
the concept of a loss leader, right, So Sony is
(26:30):
famous for this. Sony will create or has created, like
a gaming console, and that gaming console will actually cost
Sony more to manufacture and transport. Then they will profit
from selling it to you, the retail consumer. The way
they make their money is based on all of the
(26:53):
other income streams that arrive once they get you in
the sandbox. So iPhones are great example of this. Telecom
is a great example of this. All you have to
do is say, hey, I'll give you this thing. I'm
holding up a phone because we're on you know, we're
on audio. For this, I'm holding up a typical iPhone.
(27:13):
And let's say we get that for a song, we
get that for a steal, the company gets something in return.
The transaction is that now you have apps that they
can all lam pray a little bit of a little
bit of profit from, right, every time you use the
app store, every podcast you listen to, right, every other
(27:36):
associated thing you tie to your device, like let's say
one of those medical monitoring wristwatches. So there is logic
to that that doesn't necessarily have to be surveillance based.
But if we get to the second point, now, I'll
wrap this up real quick. If we are creating loss
(27:57):
leaders in terms of hardware to achieve multiple income streams, right,
if we're going to squeeze the blood from the stone
of the consumer any way we can, then zero point
two surveillance is naturally logically a part of that. A
Yo binta.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Yep took the words right out of my mouth, mister Bolan,
love it, so we will. Yeah, let's I agreed. Let's
jump to quickly something that was said here about Kingsman,
that Kingsman movie with Sam Jackson. Spoilers by the way, woops.
The movie is from twenty fourteen. It is Kingsman the
(28:39):
Secret Service, and the character there Richmond Valentine, a billionaire
and philanthropists. He doesn't give people exploding phones. That's not
what he does in the movie. And I don't mean
to correct you here, It's just it's what he does.
He gives out free SIM cards to give access to
(29:01):
free internet and free Wi Fi and all that stuff,
and then those SIM cards receive signals that then turn
everybody uncontrollably violent when they're around one of the phones
or devices that use the SIM card. There is a
whole other thing, and we understand why you're a little
mistaken there, because another plot in that movie is there
(29:22):
are these implants that people have that do in fact
have explosives in them. Those are just inside like the
world leaders and the thought leaders that are going along
with this conspiracy just to make sure they stay in line,
although they believe it's so that they can you know
signal jam the crazy inducing signals. It's really just ways
(29:46):
to control the people because they kill them with the devices. Okay,
so there's that. That's a fictional movie about a fake
thing that didn't happen. A real thing that did happen
back in twenty twenty four. Is the other thing you
mentioned there. This is something we've talked about on Strange News,
and we've brought it up a couple other times. This
(30:06):
is according to CNN September twenty seventh, twenty twenty four,
when quote Israel concealed explosives inside batteries of pagers sold
to Hesbela, according to Lebanese officials, I'm going to read
a little bit of this from you, just in case
you forgot about this story. Israel carried out part of
its device attack targeting Hesbela by concealing explosives inside the
(30:26):
batteries of pagers brought into Lebanon, according to two high
ranking Lebanese security officials, who said the technology was so
advanced it was virtually undetectable. We talked a lot about this.
You can look this up if you wish. To the
blasts that happened over two days in pagers and walkie talkies,
killed at least thirty seven people, including some children, and
(30:47):
injured nearly three thousand, many folks who were standing near
the folks that actually had the pagers and walkie talkies.
We went into this whole thing. It was all about
supply chain. How in the heck did these explosives get
into these devices. That's what we discussed in the Strange
News episode. I don't know the date of that, but
(31:08):
I'm assuming you can go back to late twenty twenty
four and find it.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Yeah, it's did that one on. That's the Strange News
segment from September twenty third, twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Perfect, perfect, great date, September twenty third. There's that twenty
three number again.
Speaker 5 (31:26):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Oh good, remember numerology.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Okay, let's cut off. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Yeah, it's one of the first first parts of that episode.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Yeah, so let's go back to that CNN article. Lebanon's
Communications ministry said that the ic V eighty two radios
used in the attack were not supplied by a recognized agent,
were not officially licensed, and had not been vetted by
the security services. ICOM said that the ICV eighty two
model these are the two specific models of devices here
(31:58):
was discontinued a decade to go, and it could not
determine whether the devices targeted in Lebanon were counterfeit or
shipped from its company. They shouldn't figure it out, however,
The New York Times reported, citing three intelligence officers briefed
on the operation, that Israel had set up at least
three shell companies to disguise the identities of those making
the pagers, who were in fact Israeli intelligence officers. Okay,
(32:24):
far's all of that. That is something that actually happened.
That is real. That is reel. Hey uh, here's the
other thing that happened, at least according to the Jerusalem
Post that swearing In takes note of and sent to US.
Apple recently announced its iPhone seventeen E, a model intended
(32:46):
to make its AI technology accessible to a broader audience.
The iPhone seventeen E comes with an A nineteen chip,
full support for Apple Intelligence, and a new cellular modem
developed in Israel, all at the same time price tag
of five hundred and ninety nine US bucks. The N
one wireless connectivity chip and the C one x cellular modem.
(33:08):
These are the two things that were developed there. Apple,
by the way, does have a development office and group
there in Israel that does things that creates all kinds
of new tech for their devices. That is not weird
and out of the ordinary at all. That is just
how that company is set up. But we can see
(33:29):
why swearing In made this connection, right, that makes sense.
I would just say where we stand today and what
I am observing does not give me pause with these things,
specifically that wireless connectivity chip and the cellular modem simply
because the thing that was known about the attacks that
(33:51):
were carried out on Lebanon was that they were lithium
ion batteries that had this explosive laced throughout the battery itself,
and that is what created the explosive. That is the
thing that caused the device to explode. Here we are
talking specifically about connectivity chips, right, and ways in which
(34:12):
communication is occurring. I don't see anything to worry about that.
They're other than you know. I don't know if you
guys saw the recent news, but Israel, the country was
recently put on kind of a list by the United
States as saying, hey, we need to watch out specifically
for spying that Israel is doing because yeah, because of
(34:35):
these peace talks and just how infiltrated. I suppose that
they feel or are aware of that we just don't
have the full details of. And that's, you know, it's
weird to even be talking about this. That's not to
call anyone out individually or any person or any group.
It is just to say this is a country that
is doing things and has done things that might make
(34:56):
someone like our listener here feel a bit off.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
And also it must be acknowledged, as is our remit.
The United States recently fired its most competent people in
these spheres right of information and expertise. So in a
very real way, Uncle Sam is asleep at the wheel,
(35:21):
Like how far is the screw worm outbreak going to get?
We don't know. We fired all the people who could
tell us how far is bully going to get? How compromised?
Right are these chains of communication? That's a difficult question
to answer, swearing in, especially when we realized that the
(35:45):
people who spent their lives learning how to explore and
answer these questions have been given the boot, and to
take it one step further, swearing In, Matt Noele Tennessee.
We have to understand that other places, other operations, and
other outfits are more than happy to scoop up disowned
(36:08):
Boffin right, disowned Egghead, operation paper Clip, you know, never
really ended. People just changed the names.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
One other thing that happened literally a day ago, as
we record on June ninth, a guy that I don't
generally listen to that much or I don't find myself
watching him say words out of his mouth. But this guy,
fellow Thomas Massey on on the UH on the floor
(36:39):
of Congress, did you see him call out the USS Liberty. Yes,
that was nuts to see that happen and be put
into the record like that. That's the kind of thing
that generally wouldn't happen.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Stay tuned for our episode, folks on the saga of
the USS.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Liberty and guys just something just to carry me. We
were talking about D Day in a recent episode, and
it came up like some of the sort of counterintelligence
measures that the US, you know, employed. Specifically, we were
talking about a training exercise that was a disaster pre
D Day and exercise Tiger and Matt, I think you
(37:19):
had brought up a previous conversation we'd had about Major
William Martin r M, who was a basically a corpse
that was planted with documents so that German intelligence would
find them and papers and all that stuff in a
I guess operation known as Operation Mincemeat. And it just
(37:42):
hit me that there is a very highly regarded new
Broadway show version of this story called Operation mince Meat,
and it's supposed to be a real romp. Whoah. I
think that's just what a fun topic to do a
Broadway show about. I have no idea how they're going
to handle it, but it's it seems like it's getting
rave reviews.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
I didn't know that. I'm sorry, I'm looking up right now.
Operation mince Meat.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Yeah you can. I wrote a episode of Ridiculous History
back in twenty twenty two about Operation Min's Meat. So
we did that when Noel you might remember this too,
we had it. We called it something like Britain's Schoolish
Plan to fool the Nazis. So please check that out, folks,
(38:27):
if you want the blow by blow. And I think
we did that episode because we were inspired by the
Netflix film that came out.
Speaker 5 (38:36):
All right, there was a Netflix film.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
I'm just fascinated by the idea of giving this stuff
the Rasmataz Broadway Musical.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Treat I know, how are they going to think about that?
Speaker 5 (38:47):
Well, you can get yourself at tickets right now.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
I think they're actually some discounted ones available and it
is playing currently on Broadway at the Golden Theatre at
two fifty two West forty fifth Street.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
And while you're in New York, why not just hang
out all the way through October and then join us
on Virgin Voyages.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
Oh gosh, ya do it? Please join us. We will
be at sea with other stuff shows, including stuff you
should know and stuff Mom never told you. So get
over to Virgin Voyages now and book your passage on
the Valiant Lady for let's see, what is it October.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
Second, second through the seventh.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Yeah, so hey, if you want to know exactly where
we'll be and when, listen up, and you too can
be there, and we'll be on a ship with you
with international waters on every side.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
So much could happen.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Let's get weird, all right, that's it for me, be
right back with more messages from you.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
And we have returned. This is something. Look, there are
a couple things we're not going to get to in
the last act of this listener mail segment. But that's
a good problem to have, as corporate folks say, because
we have had so much amazing correspondence. Let's do it
this way, guys. Let's go to the Hero of Canton
(40:20):
and then let's talk about microchips, and then maybe we
can share some stunning feedback on our recent interview with
Amanda Knox on the Lucy Letpie case. Sound good? Yes,
thank you all. Yeah, if you were like, nah, that sucks,
we just have to wrap the episode. We just have
(40:44):
to wrap the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
Way, Let's go for it.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
So here we go, Hero of Canton. You right, My
county decided to get rid of them, but Flock hasn't
removed them, so our sheriffs covered them with bags. Good
news and seemingly positive steps forward. This is, of course,
a reference to the infamous flock cameras. We've been working
(41:11):
on an episode about these things. How would we just
guy's pre episode? How would we describe flock camera surveillance
to anyone who hasn't heard of it before?
Speaker 4 (41:24):
Problematic? Okay, a plot of Batman the Dark Knight.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
Right, Yeah, you're nailing it. Man, You're on fire.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Yeah, a massive interconnected series of cameras that watch mostly
roads to see who goes by and when, and a
lot of times they have this helpful little thing that
reads license plates.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
Yes, yes, and I can also gather biometric data. We're
all on fire with this. It is something that we
clocked a while ago or flocked a while ago. And
there are two be Fair activists in multiple cities that
are deploying Geria tactics to disable flock cameras. What our
(42:13):
hero here is talking about is specifically a story coming
to us out of Dane County in Wisconsin. So Dane County,
like so many other counties, they had a they had
an agreement contract with the private company Flock, and Flock
(42:33):
gave them twenty six cameras across the county. The contract
didn't work out. It turns out that the public, surprise, surprise,
hated the idea of being continually surveilled without their knowledge,
without their consent, and without any idea of what information
(42:56):
about them would go where. So the Dane County Board
got together and due to this public outcry, they voted
to end the contract in April, and the company Flock,
apparently just went on their marrig way with it and said, oh,
(43:18):
that's cool. You guys are voting. That's cute. That's so cool.
Why that's adorable. But we're going to keep going. So
this is where we get to the rubber meeting the road.
Thanks to Ashley Wheel writing for WMTV fifteen, they're out
of Wisconsin, guys, we're talking about this off air. The
(43:40):
sheriff's department, the deputies, all of them. They went around
to old twenty six Flock cameras across the county and
they put bags over them so that the cameras wouldn't work.
So they're not vandalizing the equipment, they're not breaking the cameras,
but they're hoping that if they literally put plastic bags
(44:04):
over these things, the company will get annoyed enough to
remove the cameras that the county has voted against.
Speaker 4 (44:13):
Because something to do with like the length of the contract.
Like they basically can't just get rid of them without, yeah,
being in breach in some way. So they're just like,
you know, trying to sabotage them a little bit, like yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
Yeah, I think Flock owns the cameras, right.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
I think it's because Flock doesn't want to spend the
time and money resources to go and take them all down,
because that's that's a lot of work. It reminds me
a lot of something I've experienced here, and I don't
know if you or anyone else has experienced something like this.
Two times now I have experienced a company that refuses
(44:50):
to remove their hardware from my home that I own
well in the bank, mostly the bank, but I I'm
on paper as owning it. And there's a giant Direct
TV satellite dish on top of my roof in one place,
and I called Direct TV and they will not come
and remove the thing or help me fix my roof
(45:14):
or anything like that or you know, sure I'm a homeowner.
That's on me, but that's crazy. They won't help me
do it. So I just got to figure out how
to get the bolts out and do all the repairs myself.
The same with Exfinity Home. They wouldn't they There was
a huge installation of hardware in this house when I
bought it, and I don't want any of the stuff,
and I have to go in and figure out how
(45:34):
to take it all out, and they don't want their
stuff back. It's just such an interesting thing kind of
reminds me, Ben of what you were talking about with
the Apple phones. Once the hardware is in the hands,
it's done its job, and who cares about it. It's
doing what it's going to do. Once it's useless and
no longer transmitting data or you know, bringing in that
(45:55):
other revenue stream, like you said, then why the heck
would they ever spend any more money on it.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
That's a great question, you know, and it's a dilemma
that the Dane County officials are dealing with. They said,
Flock owns these cameras, they own this hardware. It's technically
their property, so it's illegal for us to remove them. However,
(46:21):
the county has reached out to Flock multiple times and said, hey,
are you still able to collect information despite the ending
of this contract right to your earlier point. Now, Flock
didn't get back to them. They also said, hey, can
you take these down? They asked multiple times, and Flock
(46:44):
refused to respond. This episode is going to be big
for us, folks. It is going to be something unfortunately
common to a lot of counties and municipalities here in
the United States. I mean, also, guys, if you look
at the picture from our journalist here. Uh, you'll see
(47:06):
that these are not the top tier of plastic bags,
you know what I mean. Like, they're not the black
or gray trash bags. They're the translucent stuff that you
would maybe put oranges in at a grocery store. So
how much uh, how much data are they actually stopping
(47:28):
at this point? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (47:30):
They should have used the aluminum foil.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
They should have used aluminum foil and faradated. Please check
out our episode on aluminum foil or timfoil. Didn't we
we had a timfoil?
Speaker 5 (47:43):
I think so. And then there's also that weird Al jam.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
And there's that excellent weird al jam, which he.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
Didn't play at his concert. My son was really upset.
He come on, weird Al, that's one of the coolest
hippist songs.
Speaker 4 (47:55):
You've got, yes song.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
It's up there with Waffle ca. I just don't know
I got to you.
Speaker 4 (48:02):
I just don't know if Royal's the song that at
parodies is quite looming large enough in the zeitgeist for
that to be part of his regular set.
Speaker 3 (48:10):
It's no Noish Paradise, It's no Waffle King, But.
Speaker 5 (48:16):
I love the Lord y'alla.
Speaker 4 (48:17):
The Lord is in my heart and I think Royals
is a banger, but I'm more of a tennis court
guy myself.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
But in these alien centric times that I mean, come on,
did he do Yoda? Uh?
Speaker 6 (48:31):
He did?
Speaker 2 (48:32):
It's is it Yoda? I don't know he did the
one that's like the saga according to my son, and
that's later.
Speaker 5 (48:37):
That's later. Yoda is an earlier one.
Speaker 4 (48:39):
It's a a spin on Lola by the Kinks.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
Yoda Yo yo yo yo yoa.
Speaker 5 (48:49):
Down in Bob.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
That's great. We also, uh gosh, we're we're a little
rushed for time here, so kay. We're unfortunately not going
to be able to get to you this week, but
tune in next week. We heard from a crown servant
who investigates deaths in the NHS services. And we always
(49:12):
love it when we throw a line out to the
void and an expert returns to us, right, just like Laney,
our phenomenal reporter and editor over there in Tahoe. So
we get experts writing in. Please check out our next
week's program for more from k It's a deep dive.
(49:34):
I don't even want to crack the top on it yet, guys,
So instead of that, let's kick it with Let's kick
it with some great news. Hey. Have you ever owned
a prison and then people get out of the prison
and you're like, I wish I could keep a better
eye on those people that used to make me so
(49:55):
much money. I wish I could get them back into
my prison as soon as possible. If so, this is
for you. It comes to us courtesy of HB who writes, hey, guys,
just read this.
Speaker 4 (50:08):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (50:09):
Government ministers have been discussing plans to implant microchips under
the skin of prison leaders with Neurolink that's Elon Musk
and Neurotech that's Peter Teel, the antichrist guy, as well
as other state sponsored and private corporations around the world
working on this. It feels like the trickle is building
(50:32):
up before the flood. Some theories are already out there,
connecting the companies with access to US detention centers, easy
access to immigrant guinea pigs, talk about thought police. Guys.
I know we all clocked this, but it's bad, right,
Like we've built a thematic, a thematic through line here
(50:55):
regarding surveillance, lost leader consoles and flock cameras, and now
we're talking about the idea of putting tracking chips into
the bodies of people who leave prison, which means they've
(51:15):
served their time.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
Right, This is real.
Speaker 3 (51:20):
This is a real discussion at a round table attended
by the prison's minister and the senior Ministry of Justice
officials over in the UK, which is already one of
the most heavily surveilled weird archipelagos on the planet.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
Dang, but they're not going to do this, There's no way.
Speaker 3 (51:42):
I don't know. I think they're going to do it.
I think they're gonna do it. Go to Inside Time, folks,
hie the two sources that HB has linked us to
go to also Science Times, a revolutionary prison concept using
AI and bring implants to fast track criminal rehabilitation. It
(52:06):
is so nineteen eighty four, you guys. It is such
spooky stuff. It is unclean, especially like, all right, let's
pause for a second. For everybody who's been incarcerated, you
know that you lose a lot of privacy for the
rest of your life, no matter what. You also know,
(52:26):
for all of us who have worked with intelligence or
worked in the military or the armed services in some capacity,
you also lose a lot of privacy. At this point
in the United States, your DNA is recorded, right, your
biometrics up the wazoo. They got you, and they're keeping
(52:46):
an eye on you. But these folks who are in prison,
when they're released from prison, doesn't that mean they have
a chance to be a citizen again? Like if you
what you screwed up? You stole a car one time.
Now you've got a microchip in you.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
Well, yeah, the microchip is supposed to be used in
concert with a v r AI generated experience of the
crime that they are in jail for. Yeah, and it
is too. The chip is designed to make them feel
regret and sadness and empathy for the victim of the crime.
(53:28):
This is all this is like Clockwork Orange, but it's
but it's all theoretical, right, It's all like, hey, we
could do this with our AI thing.
Speaker 5 (53:37):
Well, but that's the question.
Speaker 4 (53:38):
That's a really good reference point, Ben and Clockwork Orange.
The question then becomes, are you really remorseful if it's
like forced upon you or if it's like hypnotized into you.
And that sounds a hell of a lot like what
is being described here, that it's some sort of force
experience that creates the I don't know, sort of a
(54:01):
stand in for real empathy or a real penance, real remorse.
Speaker 5 (54:07):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (54:09):
That's the That's the question posed by Burgess's book, is like,
is it real at that point?
Speaker 1 (54:14):
Right?
Speaker 4 (54:15):
And then of course spoiler alert, it can be undone.
Speaker 3 (54:19):
Yeah, And this to clarify here, folks, you can hopefully
tell this bothers, uh, all of us and we're kind
of mad that Dylan has so much money invested in
these chips. But I get it, Dylan, I get it.
Speaker 4 (54:32):
He's got to pay for his rutebega form somehow.
Speaker 3 (54:35):
I know, right. And what we have to clarify here
is that we're talking about two different theoretical conversations. Okay.
One is the idea that people who have served their
time will spend the rest of their lives with a
unstoppable tracking device implanted inside of them, which is much
(55:00):
much more difficult to put down than say, your cell
phone of choice. The second thing, I think this is
one that really bugs all of us, is this idea
you're talking about there and no all the it's called Cognify.
Cognify is the VR experience, and these rehab meetings are
(55:24):
specifically targeting parts of your brain, the anterior cingulate cortex,
the paradal lobe, the abmgdala, the hippocampus, the prefrontal cortex,
the stuff where the fun happens. Okay, if we're talking
about human neurochemistry and there when if they get into
(55:44):
your mind this way, they're not just doing a burgess.
They're not just clockwork oranging you with your you know,
with your eyes stuck open and all that stuff. What
they're doing is screwing with time, screwing with your experience
of time. So you guys, ever had a dream that
(56:06):
felt like it was years and years of your life?
Speaker 5 (56:10):
No, but apparently that's what DMT is like.
Speaker 4 (56:14):
Or not years and years, but it achieves sort of
a kind of internal time control in that way.
Speaker 3 (56:22):
I think several of us in the audience have had
the experience where you lose consciousness and then you live
an entirely different life and you wake up and you're like, oh, crap,
I forgot I'm Jeremy or I'm Jennifer. Episode just so, yeah,
(56:43):
that's a great that's a great comparison there. Matt Cognify
rehabilitation might will attempt to do this.
Speaker 2 (56:52):
The only problem is it's a completely made up thing
from this guy Hushim Malgali, who like made a video
about it, and then Reuter's has you know, it's if
you look at the snopes from this, it's like just
the concept, right, It's like somebody coming up with an idea,
posting it online on social media, and then some groups
(57:15):
pick up on it like it's a real thing. The
good thing is it's not actually happening. It's definitely it's
like a pitch for a Black Mirror episode.
Speaker 3 (57:25):
Yeah, but every I would argue, then everything is a
concept until it becomes a practice, right, Like the idea
of a car was a crazy concept and then it
became a real thing.
Speaker 2 (57:38):
So here you just with social media literally anything any
you know, anything anyone says, if it is made to
look real and legitimate, you can dupe people, is all
I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (57:49):
Oh for sure, that's been happening for years, even without
social media. But I see what both of you are saying,
and I think what Ben's saying is like the way
so much science fiction, yeah, was so speculative. And then
of course, you know, many things have come to fruition,
even like you know, riskwash communicators used to seem like
gout to you know, just absurd, impossible, improbable at the
very least. And now it's just like it'd be hard
to picture a world without them and the whole like
(58:12):
you know, Arthur C. Clark technology and magic comparison, Like
I get it. And man, the more technology evolves, the
more exponential it becomes in terms of what is possible
in shorter timeline. So I wouldn't put it past the
realm of possibility that something like this could be real.
Speaker 3 (58:31):
Thanks, man, I appreciate that, because, you know, not too
long ago when we started this show, things like flock
technology were considered science fiction largely, right, and now what's happening,
and now there are there are legitimate law enforcement outfits
that can do nothing better than put plastic bags over
(58:55):
something that people called social media BS not too too
low long ago, for.
Speaker 4 (59:01):
Sure, And also, as always is the case, the policing
of that technology lags woefully behind you know what the
technology is capable of. I think that's just going to continue.
And it was something like this posing kind of an
existential problem. I just don't see any world where if
it does become possible, they're not just gonna roll it
right on out and try it out on folks.
Speaker 3 (59:22):
You know, yeah, make it a lost leader and you know,
let God decide the income streams to follow. We're gonna
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we receive. Be well aware, yet unafraid. Sometimes the void
writes back, We'll see you out here in the dark.
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