June 18, 2026 • 54 mins
In tonight's listener mail segment: a professional NHS investigator responds to the Ben, Matt and Noel's earlier interview segment about the Lucy Letby case. Frog Daddy prompts a conversation about surveillance and META glasses. One Eyed Cyclops shares a terrifying experence with AI-powered scams. Hit up Ben, Matt and Noel -- your appearance on our listener mail segment may just become an episode in the future.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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some stuff we mentioned last week. We're gonna definitely get
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some teasers as well, So stay tuned for the end
of the show for now, fellas, what do you say
we take a break and then get into kidnapping?
Speaker 5 (02:32):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Why not get into it? Oh?
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Okay, and we're back. We've we've we've all been toying
with the idea of dabbling and kidnapping. Well, now you
too can. It's as easy as using a chatbot to
you know, forge a video of a kidnapping victim and
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essentially you know, catfish or whatever you want to call it,
their loved ones and convince them that they've been kidnapped,
only to realize that they haven't after they've paid up.
It's not that much different than actually doing the thing,
you know, if you think about it, it's just sort
of it's the future. Now we can kidnap without putting
anyone in harm's.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Way, similar to child exploitation. Right, that's a thing.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
You get all, you get all you can handle. That
over on grok did you see that inflatable that was
in Times Square recently, Yeah, as a giant inflatable like
Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade style inflatable of Elon with his
little man tits out and a hat and on his
you know, his gutty written some of the effect of
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groc creates what you just said child materials. Correct, these
are a different term, but it was.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
He also very sarcastic. Congratulations to the world first official
trillion era.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
I love that. I wonder what he's gonna do with
all that, all them trillions. Probably good stuff, right, Yeah,
it's nah, it's good stuff. Sorry. This one comes to
us from One eyed Cyclops, which is a delightfully redundant name,
and I think that therein lies the joke One eyed
Cyclops here. I left a message tonight about AI kidnappings
in which I was quote held for ransom and my
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parents were tricked into paying thousands for my release. This is,
unfortunately a seemingly very effective scam in which parents are
confronted with pleading screams for help, and in my parents' case,
it arrested all critical thinking what we'll put because they
were terrified for me in that moment, as they would be.
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They're good parents, so also parents. Sometimes they just don't
understand AI, so they did whatever they were told to
do in order to save me. These scams are designed
to apply enough pressure to force people out of their
rationality into a panic state in which one cannot be
expected to think clearly. I was less than a half
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mile away from their home when this happened, safely playing
video games and the loving care of my partner. Meanwhile,
my parents were frantically driving around town wiring money to
God knows who, money they most likely will never see again.
Fortunately I am safe, but unfortunately my parents are out
money that was supposed to fund their eminent retirement. Even worse,
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I think they will be permanently traumatized after being led
to believe that their only child was being hurt or worse, God,
I know this is intense. We did file a police report,
and the local PD informed us that this has happened
numerous times in our town just over the past couple
of days in our community alone. God knows how many
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other families have been through this elsewhere. I hate to
send in the sob story, but I also hope others
can be spared this trauma. Cyclops. I hadn't heard of
this at all, so you're certainly hipping. Surely a lot
of folks out there to this seemingly pretty new and
cutting edge ish scam. One eyed Cyclops goes on. My
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mother and father just faced the possibility of their daughter
being taken away. To them, it was very real. Even
though I'm still here, the loss of their child was
very real to them for over an hour as they
did everything they were told to do in order to
save me again in quotes. It's hard to grock lol
if you haven't been through it. I have been through
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it now and I still can't quite come to terms
with what happened. But what I can say is that
I have never seen my mother so distressed, so panicked,
she really thought she lost her only child. I fear
this trauma will be permanent for her. And if awareness
could have saved a single parent from this experience, and
I think it's worth talking about. Use my story if
you wish or don't, But I really hope this can
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be a topic of discussion. Well, we sure did, and
we sure thank you for sharing this experience, as traumatic
and awful as it is as it was for your parents.
And then after the fact, surely I mean you the
concern for your parents' mental state and how this could
have had long term, you know, ramifications for them, not
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only that with their mental health, but also of course
their retirement savings. Truly, we appreciate the openness and the candor,
and this certainly can be something that could help a
lot of folks. You know, it is one of these
things where we it's all fun and games with this
AI stuff. It's like, Okay, you know, certainly there's some
fake news. There's jokes about boomers reposting AI stories on Facebook,
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et cetera, being misled, rabbit holed, you know, radicalized things
like that, and all of that is scary, of course,
But now we're talking about actionable, real world uses of
this stuff that ain't just calling and delivering a bunch
of pizzas to somebody as a prank. I mean, this
is like serious business. I've actually heard other stories regarding
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similar use of AI technology. I think there was a
TikTok streamer that actually is facing some pretty serious consequences
for his actions. And I don't think it even matters
to name this person because it's not really worth our
time or giving them a platform. But they were doing
some of the effect of creating AI generated videos of
a policeman's vehicle being damaged by kids, by like teenagers
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or something like that, and then showing the policeman this
trumped up AI video, at which point the same thing
happened to the policeman, all rational thought kind of goes
out the window and all of a sudden he rushes out.
And the point that I've seen made in reporting this
particular version of this kind of use or misuse of
this technology, is that rationality out the window could have
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gotten someone shot, you know, like if there's someone just
happens to be hanging around the car. Yeah, this is
not even like an indictment of the police. This is
literally just an example of that like you know, panic
brain thing that can be brought on by seeing something
like this.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Let's guys, I think it might be helpful to go
over a like stepped plan for us to do if
we get a message like this, specifically one that's being
described here by by One eyed Cyclops. So Ben, let's
imagine for a moment, we get a message that appears
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to clearly show tennessee pal in distress being held somewhere.
What what are our What's like, what's the first step
we should do?
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Contact him, try to and then contact the authorities?
Speaker 2 (09:48):
That's is that really all? That's like?
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Yeah, well that's like your that's going to be the
immediate reaction. And One eyed Cyclops greatly appreciate this correspondence.
But in this thing, when one aspect of of this
horrifying experience that you and your parents encountered is were
they you know, what's the substance of the AI phishing
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scam that was sent to you. Did it say something
specifically like don't try to contact your kid one eyed cyclops?
Did it say don't contact the authorities? Usually kidnappers will
say something like that, but logically you would want to
see if there was real habeas corpus, if the kidnappers
did have the body, and.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
Just really quickly, we just have to remember that this
is just another example of preying on older folks who
are just not hip to this kind of thing, who
just have not don't have experience of this kind of thing.
I mean that the old trope of it's become a
trope I guess at this point of you know, boomers
posting fake stories on Facebook and getting radicalized to this
kind of thing. But this is obviously a much more direct,
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you know, real world use of this kind of text.
So I mean, I guess what I was getting at
is like, if it were it happened to me or
you or Ben Matt or Tennessee Pale, we would probably
give it a second thought. But then the question becomes like,
where do they even get that voice print? How do
they even like, how do they even have access to
that to generate such a.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Very easy there's a great and frightening article from June fifth,
just like ten days ago, as we record on June fifteenth,
out of PC mag by Ken Keith. This nightmare, AAI
scam is making parents believe their child has been abducted,
and it hits on something to which actually, Matt Dylan,
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myself and Noel are pretty vulnerable because we have a
large footprint of audio and visual data along with a
very easily breadcrumbed connection in a lot of our cases
with relationships and the nature of those relationships. So AI
cloning tools only need about ten seconds of clear audio
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to create an effective voice clode.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Dude, dude, just quickly. Recently, I was out of town
with my whole family and my dad got two separate
emails while we were just hanging out at this place.
He got two separate fishing scams from two separate alleged
banks in the Midwest while we're there just hanging out
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and we were recording an episode. Do you guys remember
we did one where I had a weird background pretty recently, numerology,
I think numerology, And dude, I walked out and he
had already been dealing with it. For roughly an hour,
but kind of just on his own, And it was
my parents, who were both older, trying to figure out
how to deal with the situation, trying to understand which
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phone number do they actually call? Did they contact? They
knew not to click anything, but it was still super
confusing trying to understand, like what actions do I take? Now?
Do I need to take action like this?
Speaker 5 (13:01):
I think we were all sort of dancing around it
a little bit, or we were getting close to getting
to this recommendation that I saw on a Fox Houston
article about this particular type of scam. Some local law
enforcement were interviewed and recommended establishing a safe word with
your family and asking the caller for that word, and
if they can't give it, then of course that's a
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sign that the call is fake. Also, you know, it's
the old hold up today's newspaper kind of situation. But again,
these aren't designed for you to go through these rational steps,
like you know, they're designed for you to panic in
the moment and not be prepared for this kind of
scam being even on the table. So I think you know,
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in general, if you know about it, there's lots of
ways that you can protect yourself and your loved ones
from being scammed like this. I would just say it's
a good thing to talk to your parents.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Yeah, for real.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
Absolutely, the existence of how deep and weird and curate
and convincing these these kinds of things have gotten.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
We need a new poster that says, keep calm and
confirm everything.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
Talk to your parents about artificial And.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Do you ever, especially as your parents age, do you
ever find yourself wondering what you can talk about with them,
you know, in your weekly call or your check in. Well,
here's one, and it is going to be impactful. I
totally agree with that. And what i'd cyclops, we're so
glad that you and your parents are safe.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
I'd say I think we got the heart of this one, Hughes,
thanks again for giving us that that detailed rundown of
someone's experienced this directly. So let's take a quick break.
You're a word from our sponsor, and then we'll come
back with more messages from you.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
And we've returned guys, this is hot off the presses.
I haven't even heard this one or cataloged it yet.
It's a response from somebody we know about something we
discussed last listen mail.
Speaker 6 (15:07):
So here we go, fellas chef Ben responding to your
by name, which I appreciate call out about food. You know,
I'm always here for you. I'm always here for you, guys. Soda,
I'm in, I'm in. It's not a traditional structure for
a casadia, which I'm automatically going to go away from
casadella traditional flavorings and such, and I'm going to try
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to make it a little bit trickier for myself. Capers.
My immediate thought is bagels and locks. So here's what
I'm gonna do. Theoretically, I'm not gonna make this unless
you guys come over to my house. The cheese for
this casadia is everything bagels, seasoned cream cheese. You got
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smoked locks on there, you got red onions on there,
You've got capers in there, you got dill in there.
Now what you do is to complete the bagels part
of the casadilla. The caper dia is you serve it
with instead of salsa, a cucumber and tomato salad, fresh
salad with let me juice and parsley, more capers, and
(16:12):
then you're good to go. Happy to make that for
you if you guys happen to stop by Chicago as always,
feel free to use this on your show, and I'm
just honored to be involved.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Yes, Chef, I remember reading the transcript when that one
came in. Oh Man, caper Dia, so it's the new
for reading.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
Are a little They're a little controversial, though some people are.
That's not their jam. I really only you know, I
enjoy them in a pasta situation. They could be good
in a pasta and really do like them on the
bagels and locks. You gotta have it. I don't think
it's the same without it.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Now wait, hold on, Dylan, what is your idea here?
You've written something in the chat.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
I think this Chef Ben's idea is much better than
mine where I was thinking just putting chicken pacatta inside
of a tortilla and maybe like the cheese is a
ton of parmesan.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
Oh okay, you know, I'll tell you. I had a
sandwich in Queen's other other week that I'd never had before.
It was like a HOGI like a like a you know,
a sub, but it was with a fried chicken cutlet
and like peppers and uh and balsamic and it was whoa.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
You gotta get one of those move lettters. I still
I still can't stand those things.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Yeah, what's it called. You don't like a move it's
a lot of olive it. You don't like the olives,
very olive it.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
For some reason, why I think about capers, I think
about olives. Okay, uh, guys, let's jump to the meat
of this sandwich. It's a message we got from frog
Daddy after some other discussions about maybe some privacy issues.
I was gonna say issue, All right, here we go.
Speaker 7 (17:51):
Hey, this is frog Daddy again. I just listened to
your last Listener Male episode and you were talking about flock.
Flock cameras aren't really on my radar, so I don't
know a whole lot about them, but they reminded me
of something that I'm not entirely sure you guys have
really talked about, at least recently, the metaglasses that are
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coming out. We see them advertised everywhere on social media
and streaming services, and they seem like they're going to
be pretty big. And I think the implications for those
are a pretty big deal. I mean, you're being filmed
without your consent like all these other cameras, and also
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they'll be used to train AI undoubtedly. So I think
there's a lot that can probably be explored with the metaglasses.
The more and more I think about them, the more
I don't like them and think about how they can
be used for all kinds of different things. What happens
with private spaces where those kinds of things done allowed,
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like bathrooms or private businesses or things like that. So
something to check out. You guys are great, keep.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Up the good work, dude, Frog Daddy love.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
The good news Matt and frog Daddy is that they're
still so damn clunky looking that you can spot them
a mile away. Really, maybe I don't know these yah, yeah,
I mean we terminators. It does feel that way. I mean, like,
I think I've mentioned that I've become gotten in a
watching lately, so there's a lot of YouTube content that
I'm getting served up. Whereas people like going into like
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a roll X store to expose what a scam rolex
is and how they'll like lie to you about like
whether they have the thing in stock or not and
try to make you spend money on something you don't
want to get the thing you do want and put
you on the waiting list. So a lot of these
videos are people wearing these glasses and going in trying
to do a little covert, sneaky thing, and they get
called out instantly almost every time.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
This is what I recall, guys. Last time we went
on the Virgin of Voyagers cruise, we met a friend
that we're not going to name, and we were on
inursion with this person and he was wearing what I
thought were just some regular ray band sunglasses, and then
he revealed to us, oh, no, there are metaglasses. And
then later on we got videos of ourselves on that
excursion with him from his perspective, and just how freaked
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out I was that that happened.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Yeah, and I know you're listening now, and you're a
really cool dude and we love to get out with you.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yeah, and yeah, no problem with you, But just imagine
somebody who is not well intentioned, who was doing that, right.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Dude, I could. I gotta tell you, guys real quickly,
because I don't think I mentioned it on air, But
I was guesting on a show with some really awesome
folks and we were filming in person, so it's a
video show. And I had been talking about the growing
controversy of meta glasses like, how frog Daddy, this is
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going frog Daddy, Matt, this is going to be used
by police later if it's not being used already. And
as I was I was doing a coffee fueled rant
about this, I look across where we were recording and
I saw a guy that I tremendously respect nodding, and
then I clocked, Yeah, those are the meta glasses. And
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I asked him what he thought about them, and he
said he after our conversation, he didn't want to weigh
in on air just yet. So I don't think people
are fully aware what they're buying.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Sometimes it was Ramsey, wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
It was not Ramsey, but good okay, it was not Ramsey,
our good friend of the show who who has a
sick glass spectacles and sneaker game.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
But yes, exactly, But I imagined he would be somebody
who would brock them. And you're like, wait, oh, okay.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Well he looks handsome in the thick frame spectacle.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
Yes, I guess. I guess I'm thinking back to like
the first time this whole conversation really hit was with
Google Glass, and it was like you had to be
sort of an influencer or get in on the beta
of it all. And of course our good pal Jonathan Strickland,
who had a tech stuff pod, tech Stuff, a podcast
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called tech Stuff, he did get them, and they were
so dumb looking and they didn't really do very much.
They were a really you know, early adopter version of
this thing. And obviously Google doesn't really seem to be
pushing that tech anymore. They've moved on, so now the
metaglasses are more of the thing. I am curious to
see how this does figure into because it has to
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be so widely adopted. It's sort of like VR, you know,
it's like if it doesn't take off, then it's not
really a problem. How many people are actually buying and
these things is.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
A Kyrie scale. Kick in and shout out to Tennessee.
You're bringing back you say, we bring back one of
my favorite derogatory terms for this phenomena. Could you give
it to us on air?
Speaker 5 (22:46):
Glassholes.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah, that's what people used to call Google glass users.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
Right, yeah, ya yea, yeah, yeah, wow, that's right. That
was in the early days, glassholes, because they were some
kind of actually, yeah, there were.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
They were informative too. They weren't doing the things that
meta wants to do, which is blending in but you've
got to you've got to know here, fraud Daddy, that
we've I think separately at least spent a lot of
time thinking about this, and I learned just thirty five
minutes ago, as right around as we began recording, Gizmoto
(23:19):
did verify the prediction. Yes, Meta is testing police surveillance
tech for its smart classes. Beautiful Pokemon go all over again.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
But then the question becomes like is this better? Is
this good in terms of accountability? Like for police, like
you know obviously they often are able to turn off there.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
You know, it'd be great if it was just immediately
uploaded somewhere that the public could just view, right, or
some body that is a third party to whatever law
enforcement agency or justice department could just view that stuff.
But we know that those that footage gets lost all
the time or misplaced or oh it wasn't working or whatever.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
And it becomes like, just the addendum here for anybody
who wants to read that article by James Parrow is
that the company is developing these tools for facial recognition.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yes, which is precisely what we're talking about today and
why we are listening to frog Daddy's message. Here here
is some well, but before we get into that, we
have to do this. In two thousand and twenty three
and twenty twenty four, around two million of these AI
empowered glasses were sold, which isn't a ton, right, But
then according to CNBC, around seven million of these glasses
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were sold in twenty twenty five, So it does mean
there are way more of them around, right. So I mean, again,
that's not an incredible number considering the number of human
beings on the planet. But you think about the number
of human beings in the United States, that's a pretty
significant number of these glasses floating around, depending on We
don't have the numbers for the US in particular, right,
(25:03):
but that's a lot of glasses. Here's why the privacy
thing and why FA facial recognition is the problem. Here's
some reporting from Wired from June fourth, Meta silently added
face recognition code for its smart glasses to millions of phones.
We're gonna read just a tiny bit of this code.
Reviewed by Wired uncovered and unreleased face recognition system embedded
(25:27):
in Meta's smart glasses platform. It's designed to identify people
via biometric data stored on users phones. And that's all
I can read because according to Wired quote, you've read
your last free article. But but.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
I know it's true.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
We can go to reporting from futurism because they talked
about this reporting out of Wired. Here we go. This
is Maggie Harrison Dupre June eighth, Meta furious over bombshell
smart glasses revelation. I'm gonna read quite a bit of
this guy, and then I'd love to comment on it.
And I'm just ranting because it's part of the article
and its info I think people need. Last week, Wired
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reporter of that Meta discreetly moved to infuse facial recognition
tech into as popular smart classes, as evidenced by a
piece of code discovered in the Meta AI app by
the magazine's journalists. The unreleased feature, internally dubbed name tag.
That's one word. Name tag would would quote transform faces
captured by Meta's glasses into unique biometric signatures commonly known
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as face prints, and check each one against face prints
stored on the user's phone. This is a database currently
configured to receive updates from Meta. The report made clear
that name tag is not yet activated, nor is it
accessible to consumers. In its current form. In an initial
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response to Wired, Meta referred to the discovery as quote
sensational and characterized nametag as exploratory. But you guys, this
isn't the first time in read months that this name
tag thing has been in the news, because in February,
The New York Times reported on an internal memo in
which Meta discussed plans to install name tag into its
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smart glasses. Here's the crazy part, guys. In the memo,
Meta noted that the ethically fraught feature should ideally be
launched listen to this quote during a dynamic political environment
where many civil society groups that we would expect to
attack us would have their resources focused on other concerns unquote.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
So like, well, they're not paying real Yeah, they they.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Know how bad it is internally, and they know it's
going to be a huge fight when they release it,
So we need to do it when they're not paying attention.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
That's insane and it gives us an insight into UH.
I would argue the motives here, Frog Daddy, not just
the pr sensitivities, because they don't just know that there
would be outcry, but they know what they will inevitably
do with this technology.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Oh yeah, and what we know about meta all that
data is for sale. That's like the main thing.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
Yeah. I think I mentioned this on a Strange News
a while back. But the group Massive Attack, who I
think we're all fans of, did a thing in their
live concerts on this recent tour that I actually had
tickets to in Atlanta, but then they cancel it for
whatever reason. I was really sad about that. But they
have a moment where there's a thing that happens where
it literally flashes up little squares, hundreds of little squares
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showing facial recognition of members of the audience along with
captions saying creator of content, propagandist, hacker, analyzer, organizer. The
idea being that you know, they are in some way
tapping into some database that is then tagging these individuals
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in the crowd for whatever anti government thing that they
do in their free time and have They got a
lot of flak for this because a lot of websites
kind of circulated the idea that they were doing this
for real, that they were actually pulling from public databases
and correlating the images, the face recognition data from members
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of their audiences with stuff from their background and creating
this thing. So they actually had to come out and
make a statement, which I just thought the way they
put it was really interesting. They said, as a provocation
on the hyper expansion of surveillance capitalism with a bit
of mirth. It worked quite well with recent emphasis placed
on ice repression and targeting of students and student suppression
in Serbia depicted via face tags that describe specific roles
(29:44):
in student proto, they're just talking about the live effect
using simple face detection stuff, and then it combined it
with these fictional overlays that had nothing to do with
the actual people. This is the part that I thought
was interesting, especially regarding what we're talking about. The irony
of an artistic political satire being used to evidence the
same controversial activity being used by the artistic satirists is
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very twenty twenty five damn. And then they specifically go
into how Palenteer is affecting their lives in the UK
and investigation by the human rights group Liberty revealed that
several UK police forces have refused to disclose details of
agreements or contract with US spy tech firm and Godza
genocide profiteer Palenteer. In fact, it was only via Freedom
(30:26):
of Information Act request we learned that British police forces
are working with Palenteer quote to develop a surveillance network
that will incorporate data about citizens political opinions, philosophical beliefs,
health records and other sensitive personal information. Remember voting for that?
Neither do we.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Matt on the follow up here with what we're talking
about with what very much appears to be a sneaky
spoopy doop be moved by Meta? Can we talk a
little bit about Rank one computing?
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Oh dude, yes, Okay. So the original Wired piece came
out on June fourth, then it was talked about by
a lot of folks afterwards. The one we read from
Futurism about that article was June eighth. On that same day,
on June eighth, Wired put out another article Meta deletes
face recognition system from its smart glasses app. After Wired
(31:22):
report and just again, I can read basically the subtitle
to every Wired article. So this one is the code
Wired identified is gone from the latest version of Meta AI,
the companion app for the company's smart glasses. Meta won't
say whether it's coming back, but that's all I know. Again,
too many articles, but There's another article that came out
(31:47):
on June fifteenth, again from Wired under their security banner,
Meta tapped a Pentagon supplier to prototype face recognition for
its glasses. That's where Rank one that you mentioned Ben
comes in. Is more commonly known as Rank one Computing
or rock rocout, says Jehovah. Exactly, it says. Rank one,
(32:10):
whose board includes a former CIA deputy director and a
former FBI Science chief, supplied face recognition to metaphor internal
development of its smart glasses app, which leads us over
to roc dot ai ROCKAI. It says the proof is
in the pixels. Rock high fidelity algorithms decode identities with
(32:32):
maximum accuracy and near zero bias for missions where speed,
precision and fairness matter. Number one ranked by NIST two
hundred million powering identity for the world's most demanding organizations.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Yeah, and listen to where they said near perfect because
they this was formed in twenty fifteen by a bunch
of very smart engineers who worked for a nonprofit called
noblest and ranked one. I believe first got into hot
water in twenty twenty because their facial recognition software was
(33:11):
a big part of the first known wrongful arrest in
the US based on face Wreck. They targeted incorrectly an
African American man named Robert Williams for a shoplifting incident,
and he was jammed up in Detroit PD custody until
(33:31):
some reasonable person was able to say, hey, this is
totally a different guy. So Rank one can say they're
near perfect, but near perfect is not the same thing
as you know, perfect, And Matt, I think eighty percent
of Rank one's revenue comes directly from government clients. So
(33:52):
it's like shadows INQ tell almost.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
That's where the money is, baby, Yeah, the money's in
them contract Those contracts we're not supposed to really know
too much about, at least according to Rage against the Machine.
If you believe them, yeah.
Speaker 5 (34:11):
You know what I say, guys, believe Rage, Believe Rage.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
It is so funny to see all of these weapons
contractors we've looked at over just what a month, two months, maybe,
we've been looking at so many different ones. You go
to everyone's website, you see the same kind of blustery
language on everyone. You go to the about section on everything,
you look at the team and the board, all these
folks in their nice looking suits. We're talking b Scott
(34:38):
Swan in this corner. In the other corner, you got
Josh CON's, you got Blake Moore and Tony Brown and
it's just so crazy to see all these just dudes
in suits and.
Speaker 5 (34:50):
Yeah, but don't the Trump kids haven't they benefited from
some of these contracts.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Well, but a couple of them can't even rake a
UFC game to save their lives.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
You guys saw them, Dude, what do you think about that?
Speaker 7 (35:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (35:02):
I did? And did you see that?
Speaker 6 (35:04):
The guy that.
Speaker 5 (35:04):
Posted it, Uh, he's now said that he was hash
sure would and that it was all AI. So a
guy had.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
A guy had posted briefly on Twitter, which some folks.
Speaker 5 (35:16):
Call x UFC commentator.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
He had he had posted what appeared to be a
series of text messages between himself and Eric Trump Junior,
wherein Eric Trump was asking for uh for any side
bets on rigged matches at Insider Information.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
It started off as him being like, are any of
the fighters injured? And then the guy was like, why
are you asking me that now? As far as I know,
they're all good, And then he said, I'm just going
to cut to the chase. Are these are any of
these fights rigged? Because I'm looking to make some money.
I will say it's a little like two hand in
the cookie jar. I wouldn't be surprised if it maybe
was AI. And that's the problem with all this stuff,
(35:58):
because you know it, it just muddies the water. It's
just such an alarming degree that now that the bad
actors can say, and that's you.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Know, I don't want to derail us too much here,
but that's that's.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Oh, Daniel Corny, I really like him.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
But he's now saying, you know, because there's there's two
ways you could look at it. You could look at
it that he did this thing, tried to expose something,
and then the pressure was put on him, maybe his
career was threatened, and then he you know, had to
delete the tweet and then come up with another version
of events. But I could also see it totally being
AI and him having been But it seems unlikely.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
It does seem likely, folks, that if you're enjoyed us,
you're going to tune into our episode on Raytheoon, which
itself might become a two part series. Speaking of the
big defense contracts and the incestuous nature of these surveillance
and weapons companies boards you know what I mean. You
see the same recurring characters pop up.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
That's right. I did not expect Justin Gaetchee to win
that bout. And then, you know, it makes me wonder
of all the things we've covered about sports fixing and
things I don't know guys.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Oh and Eric Eric Trump regular not Eric Trump Junior.
Excuse me, I have a hard time keeping track of
which ones the junior.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Oh, that understood, But yeah, just to sometimes you see
these guys going and trying to win multiple, you know,
multiple titles at different way classes, just don't expect them
to win. Yeah, seems like maybe a thing that's happening there,
but can't prove it anyway. Hey, thank you so much
Frog Daddy for putting this into our attention sphere. We
will keep an eye and maybe some AI empowered optics
(37:43):
on this going forward. We'll be right back with more
messages from.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
You, and we have returned, fellow conspiracy realist. We're gonna
hit up something that we teased a little bit in
last week's listener mail program. We're hearing from k K.
You wrote to us and you say hello or hello.
(38:11):
I'm not sure how to do the voice and you say,
I've just listened to your brilliant interview segment on Lucy
let Be and I feel I can give you a
bit more insight into our National Health Service or NHS
and the context within which LLL was practicing as a nurse.
Bit of info about me. I'm a Crown servant who
(38:31):
investigates avoidable deaths in NHS services. K. This makes you
the perfect person to weigh in on this, and we're
grateful for your time. You say, I've done this for
the past ten years. Alas, I can only share information
within the public domain because my role is covered by
the Official Secrets Act nineteen eighty nine. And I believe
(38:54):
we talked about the Official Secrets Act in an episode recently,
didn't we? It was something.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
I genuinely can't remember, or at least not with regards
to NHS.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Yeah, okay, okay, we did mention the We did mention.
Oh you know what it was, Alistair. We mentioned the
Official Secret Act in spying with Alistair? Uh, because we're
on a first name basis with him, now, K you continue, yeah, Ac,
big Ac? So kay? You continue? You say I could
go to prison for sharing information outside of the public domain,
(39:34):
as we noted, even US Yanks are aware that the
Official Secrets Act in all its forms is pretty serious business,
K you say. I mentioned this because I have a
decade of experience investigating the intricacies, nuances, and failings of
our NHS. Our NHS is amazing. I would take it
(39:54):
in its current underfunded and grumbling form right now over most,
if not all, private healthcare models. Now, Kay, the four
of us are thoroughly American. So I got asked, I
got to ask the crew here personally, I agree with Kay,
what do you guys think?
Speaker 5 (40:14):
Yeah, give me anything, any any kind of nationalized healthcare.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Now.
Speaker 5 (40:18):
I know we talked about that in the episode though, too,
about how we do kind of have this romanticized notion
here in the States of what nationalized healthcare looks like,
and it ain't perfect. But no, I would argue that
even imperfect, an imperfect version of that is better than
what we have here, which is, you know, either make
the choice between getting medical attention or being Yes, poverty
(40:41):
is the when you think about it. I said this before,
but poverty is the leading cause of death in the
United States because of private healthcare.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
I do you guys, ever, wonder if we've been in
some way led to believe any of these things, because
I fully am on board with everything you're saying, like,
I think that is all true, right, And I've seen
instances of human beings being placed in that debt because
of health care issues right in a privatized system. So
(41:13):
I believe, in my heart of hearts, I believe the
public system is better.
Speaker 6 (41:18):
I would.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
I'm so glad we're hearing from somebody who is actually
inside it, who can give us this insight.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. You know, before we get back to
k we do have to acknowledge that doctors shouldn't work
for free. Obviously, it's a very stressful, very high skilled job,
and we have to acknowledge that in a lot of
places that do have more of a public health care
model and treat it more like national security, which very
(41:47):
much is, people still have to wait, sometimes for an
astonishing length of time to get life saving care. And
if you lived in a place that is more or
less entirely privatized, like the United States, and you have
enough money, then you can get that organ you need,
(42:08):
you can get that heart surgery, and you don't have
to wait in line with the poors and the public.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
So yeah, you just got to find someone with a
viable liver.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
Check out our episode about the red market. Oh my gosh,
the pricing, the markup on those things is insane, those
things being human organs.
Speaker 5 (42:27):
Damn it.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Okay, So Kate, continuing with you, you say, I've had
extensive care and treatment over the years at no cost
at the point of access, meaning you know, if you're
in the UK, you're paying taxes, so you are paying
for your health care. And k you say, there's still
a private sector here you can access at your own
(42:48):
expense if you want to. With the NHS, you get
choice rather than restriction. Neither the NHS nor the private
sector is forced upon you. I have personally chosen, say,
to self fund one aspect of my care, but I
rely on the NHS for all other care. One thing
to point out here is I'm going to focus on England,
(43:10):
the reason being that the let Be case happened in England.
Scotland and other developed nations have their NHS run differently.
They get a set budget and those countries can divvy
up that funding as they say fit. So for example,
in Scotland, prescriptions are entirely free and so is training
to become a nurse or a doctor. But that's not
(43:31):
the case in England. And that's cool. I didn't know
that you could just become a doctor for free in
some countries, Scotland. Let's go, hey Scotland, you up hit
us up then I'm not opposed to hackus. I've tried it,
hey man, I'd love to.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Gosh, man, can you imagine just being able to get
that training for free exactly like secondaries like Caledge or whatever.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
You know, good lord, there's got to I mean, it's
it's got to be like some scholarships here, right, you
have to sign something saying you're going to work for
Scotland's public Health service for X amount of time. Right, Yeah,
they're not just gonna let you skewed in and then
learn cardiology.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
Yeah, you know, there's so much concept of incentive in
at least that's what you hear in a privatized world,
Like how are you going to incentivize folks to become
the best doctor in their field and all that other stuff?
And you do it through competition. So you got to
get that grant, or you got to get that scholarship,
You got to get these things and be the best.
(44:42):
But I do wonder how many more doctors you would
have in that situation. Are there too many doctors in Scotland?
Speaker 3 (44:48):
I would love it if there was a place that
had too many doctors, you know, like.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
You gotta get out of here, guys. Too many doctors.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
Too many doctors get weirded out. This guy knows too
much about my bones.
Speaker 5 (45:01):
They're just crawling out of the cracks man.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
Yeah, somebuddy's tender in Edinburgh, like the one of their
lines in their caption is no doctors, No more doctors.
Swipe left. So this letter we're going to paraphrase some
of it, but we are aware of the vast disparities
in contrast here, even in Canada versus the United States.
(45:26):
And Kate, you point out some of the very troubling
things about the NHS which do apply to the let
be case. You say, the first major reason our NHS
is in trouble is that we have an aging population
and old people get sick more often. We also largely
privatize our social care sector, which has been an absolute disaster,
(45:49):
and now we're trying to nationalize it again at an
eye watering cost, because now you have to persuade those
private companies to lose money, so they want their vigorous.
This impacts the nh US because when the older folks
get stuck at a hospital due to lack of community
social care, the number of available hospital beds stay static.
(46:11):
So it's kind of like comparison. It's kind of like
if you go to a mall and you try to
park your car on a Tuesday night, it's can be
way easier than going on Saturday afternoon because everybody else
is taking those parking spots. This is apparently, guys. This
is so prolific and frequent that now it has a
(46:33):
street name, bed blocking. They call it bed blocking, which
is terrible because it makes old people sound like the villains.
I all love it.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
That's really bad.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
Yeah, it's kind of cold, right. The next major reason
K says that is that we began privatizing parts of
the NHS from the nineteen nineties. This is another big
reason NHS is in trouble. You say, one, we outsource
some aspects of health service to private providers, and now
we're paying more money for worse service. Shadows of private equity.
(47:08):
We talk about that in so many industries here in
the States, and then two Tony Blair ruled out something
called private finance initiatives PFIs, right, tagamon incentives. Yeah, these
PFIs use private capital to fund infrastructure, and you know
that includes hospitals. But the repayments that are put on
(47:30):
the public are punishing and oh yeah, the NHS has
to pay back those private big dogs before they can
spend any money on patient care.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
Beautiful, just the way it was meant to be.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
Just yeah, exactly, I'm sure ten ten no notes. And
there's another aspect here that's conspiratorial, k And we trust
your expertise on this point. You say, on top of this,
American healthcare companies are currently bribing our politicians. We know
this because all politicians have to declare their donations, which
(48:09):
would be nice if it happened here in the States,
And they are getting a small fortune from American healthcare corporations.
Our current health secretary in particular, has a disgraceful number
of quote unquote donations from US healthcare giants. At least
they know, at least they know, you know what I mean,
(48:30):
Like we're still black boxed on that stuff. We just like,
I still want us to have a law where a
politician has to be like a NASCAR driver and you
have to have patches on your jacket from every company
that gave you money. So like Shell rate theon Tennessee pudding.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
Yes, that's the best one. Yeah, if you had metaglasses
with AI facial recognition, you could set it up to
where every politician has overlays with all those things. That's
just putting it out there.
Speaker 3 (49:01):
That's a great point. Ck, we're all about solutions on stuff.
They don't want you to know. You also mention a
phenomenally disturbing article published in The Lancet which seems to
We checked it out, but the study is from twenty
twenty two. It's called outsourcing healthcare services to the private
(49:22):
sector and treatable mortality rates in England from twenty thirteen
to twenty twenty And what they prove pretty conclusively is
that excess death rates rose in line with the rate
of privatization. And this is not just correlation, this is causation.
Privatization of healthcare in the United Kingdom is killing people
(49:44):
there who would otherwise probably be alive.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
That's crazy, man, that's the thing. How could that be happening? Sorry,
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (49:57):
Yeah, well, we're going to paraphrase a little bit more
of this, Kay. You also mentioned David Cameron's austerity policy
from twenty ten to twenty sixteen that put in a
lot of funding cuts on public services, which you say
crumbled all the way up until the pandemic. And at
that point they were so unprepared for the lockdown and
(50:22):
the massive wave of sickness that the entire system almost collapsed.
And now because of these missteps, it's going to quote
cost us far far more to rebuild the system that
it ever would have cost to maintain our current infrastructure.
And then you know, since we had Brexit wipe out
(50:42):
an estimated ninety billion pounds sterling a year off our
economy since twenty twenty, we're an even worse of a fix.
Things that are understaffed, underfunded and unsafe in general from
K's research are maternity care in the unit Kingdom and
mental health care.
Speaker 1 (51:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:04):
Two of the big ones you need, maternity and mental health.
So you go on to really drive home the point
of the private sector's damaging effect on the right to
medical care, which should be a human right. You say,
because of this and the aging population, there is a
(51:24):
lack of adequate resources and care, and it stems directly
from bringing aspects of the private sector into health and
social care system. These have been a series of political
choices made since the nineteen nineties. It's not due to
the model itself being unworkable. It worked bloody fine. And
you could tell a case irritated here because bloody is
(51:45):
a curse word in the UK. So it worked bloody
five for forty years without the private sector, and suddenly
when we invited it in the private sector began cannibalizing
the NHS from with in benh.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
Yeah, so it's a lot like a vampire then.
Speaker 3 (52:05):
It very much is or private equity, which is itself
just sort of like a financial.
Speaker 5 (52:09):
Version evert inte private equity in.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
Yes, Yeah, to keep the talisman on your door, that's
what I've learned from from.
Speaker 3 (52:20):
And uh, don't let anybody in and have a safe
word if they pretend to be another company. All the
best from the uk K. Well, thank you UKK for
clearing this up. This is awesome. We love hearing from
experts with on the ground knowledge. We're not going to
have time to get to a fascinating conversation we have
with cloak about UAP. We also just got to let
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you know, in addition to AI kidnapping, AI dating cat
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Speaker 5 (02:32):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Why not get into it? Oh?
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Okay, and we're back. We've we've we've all been toying
with the idea of dabbling and kidnapping. Well, now you
too can. It's as easy as using a chatbot to
you know, forge a video of a kidnapping victim and
(02:57):
essentially you know, catfish or whatever you want to call it,
their loved ones and convince them that they've been kidnapped,
only to realize that they haven't after they've paid up.
It's not that much different than actually doing the thing,
you know, if you think about it, it's just sort
of it's the future. Now we can kidnap without putting
anyone in harm's.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Way, similar to child exploitation. Right, that's a thing.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
You get all, you get all you can handle. That
over on grok did you see that inflatable that was
in Times Square recently, Yeah, as a giant inflatable like
Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade style inflatable of Elon with his
little man tits out and a hat and on his
you know, his gutty written some of the effect of
(03:46):
groc creates what you just said child materials. Correct, these
are a different term, but it was.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
He also very sarcastic. Congratulations to the world first official
trillion era.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
I love that. I wonder what he's gonna do with
all that, all them trillions. Probably good stuff, right, Yeah,
it's nah, it's good stuff. Sorry. This one comes to
us from One eyed Cyclops, which is a delightfully redundant name,
and I think that therein lies the joke One eyed
Cyclops here. I left a message tonight about AI kidnappings
in which I was quote held for ransom and my
(04:23):
parents were tricked into paying thousands for my release. This is,
unfortunately a seemingly very effective scam in which parents are
confronted with pleading screams for help, and in my parents' case,
it arrested all critical thinking what we'll put because they
were terrified for me in that moment, as they would be.
(04:45):
They're good parents, so also parents. Sometimes they just don't
understand AI, so they did whatever they were told to
do in order to save me. These scams are designed
to apply enough pressure to force people out of their
rationality into a panic state in which one cannot be
expected to think clearly. I was less than a half
(05:07):
mile away from their home when this happened, safely playing
video games and the loving care of my partner. Meanwhile,
my parents were frantically driving around town wiring money to
God knows who, money they most likely will never see again.
Fortunately I am safe, but unfortunately my parents are out
money that was supposed to fund their eminent retirement. Even worse,
(05:30):
I think they will be permanently traumatized after being led
to believe that their only child was being hurt or worse, God,
I know this is intense. We did file a police report,
and the local PD informed us that this has happened
numerous times in our town just over the past couple
of days in our community alone. God knows how many
(05:52):
other families have been through this elsewhere. I hate to
send in the sob story, but I also hope others
can be spared this trauma. Cyclops. I hadn't heard of
this at all, so you're certainly hipping. Surely a lot
of folks out there to this seemingly pretty new and
cutting edge ish scam. One eyed Cyclops goes on. My
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mother and father just faced the possibility of their daughter
being taken away. To them, it was very real. Even
though I'm still here, the loss of their child was
very real to them for over an hour as they
did everything they were told to do in order to
save me again in quotes. It's hard to grock lol
if you haven't been through it. I have been through
(06:36):
it now and I still can't quite come to terms
with what happened. But what I can say is that
I have never seen my mother so distressed, so panicked,
she really thought she lost her only child. I fear
this trauma will be permanent for her. And if awareness
could have saved a single parent from this experience, and
I think it's worth talking about. Use my story if
you wish or don't, But I really hope this can
(06:58):
be a topic of discussion. Well, we sure did, and
we sure thank you for sharing this experience, as traumatic
and awful as it is as it was for your parents.
And then after the fact, surely I mean you the
concern for your parents' mental state and how this could
have had long term, you know, ramifications for them, not
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only that with their mental health, but also of course
their retirement savings. Truly, we appreciate the openness and the candor,
and this certainly can be something that could help a
lot of folks. You know, it is one of these
things where we it's all fun and games with this
AI stuff. It's like, Okay, you know, certainly there's some
fake news. There's jokes about boomers reposting AI stories on Facebook,
(07:44):
et cetera, being misled, rabbit holed, you know, radicalized things
like that, and all of that is scary, of course,
But now we're talking about actionable, real world uses of
this stuff that ain't just calling and delivering a bunch
of pizzas to somebody as a prank. I mean, this
is like serious business. I've actually heard other stories regarding
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similar use of AI technology. I think there was a
TikTok streamer that actually is facing some pretty serious consequences
for his actions. And I don't think it even matters
to name this person because it's not really worth our
time or giving them a platform. But they were doing
some of the effect of creating AI generated videos of
a policeman's vehicle being damaged by kids, by like teenagers
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or something like that, and then showing the policeman this
trumped up AI video, at which point the same thing
happened to the policeman, all rational thought kind of goes
out the window and all of a sudden he rushes out.
And the point that I've seen made in reporting this
particular version of this kind of use or misuse of
this technology, is that rationality out the window could have
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gotten someone shot, you know, like if there's someone just
happens to be hanging around the car. Yeah, this is
not even like an indictment of the police. This is
literally just an example of that like you know, panic
brain thing that can be brought on by seeing something
like this.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Let's guys, I think it might be helpful to go
over a like stepped plan for us to do if
we get a message like this, specifically one that's being
described here by by One eyed Cyclops. So Ben, let's
imagine for a moment, we get a message that appears
(09:35):
to clearly show tennessee pal in distress being held somewhere.
What what are our What's like, what's the first step
we should do?
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Contact him, try to and then contact the authorities?
Speaker 2 (09:48):
That's is that really all? That's like?
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Yeah, well that's like your that's going to be the
immediate reaction. And One eyed Cyclops greatly appreciate this correspondence.
But in this thing, when one aspect of of this
horrifying experience that you and your parents encountered is were
they you know, what's the substance of the AI phishing
(10:12):
scam that was sent to you. Did it say something
specifically like don't try to contact your kid one eyed cyclops?
Did it say don't contact the authorities? Usually kidnappers will
say something like that, but logically you would want to
see if there was real habeas corpus, if the kidnappers
did have the body, and.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
Just really quickly, we just have to remember that this
is just another example of preying on older folks who
are just not hip to this kind of thing, who
just have not don't have experience of this kind of thing.
I mean that the old trope of it's become a
trope I guess at this point of you know, boomers
posting fake stories on Facebook and getting radicalized to this
kind of thing. But this is obviously a much more direct,
(10:55):
you know, real world use of this kind of text.
So I mean, I guess what I was getting at
is like, if it were it happened to me or
you or Ben Matt or Tennessee Pale, we would probably
give it a second thought. But then the question becomes like,
where do they even get that voice print? How do
they even like, how do they even have access to
that to generate such a.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Very easy there's a great and frightening article from June fifth,
just like ten days ago, as we record on June fifteenth,
out of PC mag by Ken Keith. This nightmare, AAI
scam is making parents believe their child has been abducted,
and it hits on something to which actually, Matt Dylan,
(11:37):
myself and Noel are pretty vulnerable because we have a
large footprint of audio and visual data along with a
very easily breadcrumbed connection in a lot of our cases
with relationships and the nature of those relationships. So AI
cloning tools only need about ten seconds of clear audio
(12:02):
to create an effective voice clode.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Dude, dude, just quickly. Recently, I was out of town
with my whole family and my dad got two separate
emails while we were just hanging out at this place.
He got two separate fishing scams from two separate alleged
banks in the Midwest while we're there just hanging out
(12:26):
and we were recording an episode. Do you guys remember
we did one where I had a weird background pretty recently, numerology,
I think numerology, And dude, I walked out and he
had already been dealing with it. For roughly an hour,
but kind of just on his own, And it was
my parents, who were both older, trying to figure out
how to deal with the situation, trying to understand which
(12:49):
phone number do they actually call? Did they contact? They
knew not to click anything, but it was still super
confusing trying to understand, like what actions do I take? Now?
Do I need to take action like this?
Speaker 5 (13:01):
I think we were all sort of dancing around it
a little bit, or we were getting close to getting
to this recommendation that I saw on a Fox Houston
article about this particular type of scam. Some local law
enforcement were interviewed and recommended establishing a safe word with
your family and asking the caller for that word, and
if they can't give it, then of course that's a
(13:22):
sign that the call is fake. Also, you know, it's
the old hold up today's newspaper kind of situation. But again,
these aren't designed for you to go through these rational steps,
like you know, they're designed for you to panic in
the moment and not be prepared for this kind of
scam being even on the table. So I think you know,
(13:45):
in general, if you know about it, there's lots of
ways that you can protect yourself and your loved ones
from being scammed like this. I would just say it's
a good thing to talk to your parents.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Yeah, for real.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
Absolutely, the existence of how deep and weird and curate
and convincing these these kinds of things have gotten.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
We need a new poster that says, keep calm and
confirm everything.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
Talk to your parents about artificial And.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Do you ever, especially as your parents age, do you
ever find yourself wondering what you can talk about with them,
you know, in your weekly call or your check in. Well,
here's one, and it is going to be impactful. I
totally agree with that. And what i'd cyclops, we're so
glad that you and your parents are safe.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
I'd say I think we got the heart of this one, Hughes,
thanks again for giving us that that detailed rundown of
someone's experienced this directly. So let's take a quick break.
You're a word from our sponsor, and then we'll come
back with more messages from you.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
And we've returned guys, this is hot off the presses.
I haven't even heard this one or cataloged it yet.
It's a response from somebody we know about something we
discussed last listen mail.
Speaker 6 (15:07):
So here we go, fellas chef Ben responding to your
by name, which I appreciate call out about food. You know,
I'm always here for you. I'm always here for you, guys. Soda,
I'm in, I'm in. It's not a traditional structure for
a casadia, which I'm automatically going to go away from
casadella traditional flavorings and such, and I'm going to try
(15:29):
to make it a little bit trickier for myself. Capers.
My immediate thought is bagels and locks. So here's what
I'm gonna do. Theoretically, I'm not gonna make this unless
you guys come over to my house. The cheese for
this casadia is everything bagels, seasoned cream cheese. You got
(15:50):
smoked locks on there, you got red onions on there,
You've got capers in there, you got dill in there.
Now what you do is to complete the bagels part
of the casadilla. The caper dia is you serve it
with instead of salsa, a cucumber and tomato salad, fresh
salad with let me juice and parsley, more capers, and
(16:12):
then you're good to go. Happy to make that for
you if you guys happen to stop by Chicago as always,
feel free to use this on your show, and I'm
just honored to be involved.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Yes, Chef, I remember reading the transcript when that one
came in. Oh Man, caper Dia, so it's the new
for reading.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
Are a little They're a little controversial, though some people are.
That's not their jam. I really only you know, I
enjoy them in a pasta situation. They could be good
in a pasta and really do like them on the
bagels and locks. You gotta have it. I don't think
it's the same without it.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Now wait, hold on, Dylan, what is your idea here?
You've written something in the chat.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
I think this Chef Ben's idea is much better than
mine where I was thinking just putting chicken pacatta inside
of a tortilla and maybe like the cheese is a
ton of parmesan.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
Oh okay, you know, I'll tell you. I had a
sandwich in Queen's other other week that I'd never had before.
It was like a HOGI like a like a you know,
a sub, but it was with a fried chicken cutlet
and like peppers and uh and balsamic and it was whoa.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
You gotta get one of those move lettters. I still
I still can't stand those things.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Yeah, what's it called. You don't like a move it's
a lot of olive it. You don't like the olives,
very olive it.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
For some reason, why I think about capers, I think
about olives. Okay, uh, guys, let's jump to the meat
of this sandwich. It's a message we got from frog
Daddy after some other discussions about maybe some privacy issues.
I was gonna say issue, All right, here we go.
Speaker 7 (17:51):
Hey, this is frog Daddy again. I just listened to
your last Listener Male episode and you were talking about flock.
Flock cameras aren't really on my radar, so I don't
know a whole lot about them, but they reminded me
of something that I'm not entirely sure you guys have
really talked about, at least recently, the metaglasses that are
(18:15):
coming out. We see them advertised everywhere on social media
and streaming services, and they seem like they're going to
be pretty big. And I think the implications for those
are a pretty big deal. I mean, you're being filmed
without your consent like all these other cameras, and also
(18:37):
they'll be used to train AI undoubtedly. So I think
there's a lot that can probably be explored with the metaglasses.
The more and more I think about them, the more
I don't like them and think about how they can
be used for all kinds of different things. What happens
with private spaces where those kinds of things done allowed,
(19:00):
like bathrooms or private businesses or things like that. So
something to check out. You guys are great, keep.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Up the good work, dude, Frog Daddy love.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
The good news Matt and frog Daddy is that they're
still so damn clunky looking that you can spot them
a mile away. Really, maybe I don't know these yah, yeah,
I mean we terminators. It does feel that way. I mean, like,
I think I've mentioned that I've become gotten in a
watching lately, so there's a lot of YouTube content that
I'm getting served up. Whereas people like going into like
(19:32):
a roll X store to expose what a scam rolex
is and how they'll like lie to you about like
whether they have the thing in stock or not and
try to make you spend money on something you don't
want to get the thing you do want and put
you on the waiting list. So a lot of these
videos are people wearing these glasses and going in trying
to do a little covert, sneaky thing, and they get
called out instantly almost every time.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
This is what I recall, guys. Last time we went
on the Virgin of Voyagers cruise, we met a friend
that we're not going to name, and we were on
inursion with this person and he was wearing what I
thought were just some regular ray band sunglasses, and then
he revealed to us, oh, no, there are metaglasses. And
then later on we got videos of ourselves on that
excursion with him from his perspective, and just how freaked
(20:15):
out I was that that happened.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Yeah, and I know you're listening now, and you're a
really cool dude and we love to get out with you.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yeah, and yeah, no problem with you, But just imagine
somebody who is not well intentioned, who was doing that, right.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Dude, I could. I gotta tell you, guys real quickly,
because I don't think I mentioned it on air, But
I was guesting on a show with some really awesome
folks and we were filming in person, so it's a
video show. And I had been talking about the growing
controversy of meta glasses like, how frog Daddy, this is
(20:50):
going frog Daddy, Matt, this is going to be used
by police later if it's not being used already. And
as I was I was doing a coffee fueled rant
about this, I look across where we were recording and
I saw a guy that I tremendously respect nodding, and
then I clocked, Yeah, those are the meta glasses. And
(21:10):
I asked him what he thought about them, and he
said he after our conversation, he didn't want to weigh
in on air just yet. So I don't think people
are fully aware what they're buying.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Sometimes it was Ramsey, wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
It was not Ramsey, but good okay, it was not Ramsey,
our good friend of the show who who has a
sick glass spectacles and sneaker game.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
But yes, exactly, But I imagined he would be somebody
who would brock them. And you're like, wait, oh, okay.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Well he looks handsome in the thick frame spectacle.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
Yes, I guess. I guess I'm thinking back to like
the first time this whole conversation really hit was with
Google Glass, and it was like you had to be
sort of an influencer or get in on the beta
of it all. And of course our good pal Jonathan Strickland,
who had a tech stuff pod, tech Stuff, a podcast
(22:04):
called tech Stuff, he did get them, and they were
so dumb looking and they didn't really do very much.
They were a really you know, early adopter version of
this thing. And obviously Google doesn't really seem to be
pushing that tech anymore. They've moved on, so now the
metaglasses are more of the thing. I am curious to
see how this does figure into because it has to
(22:26):
be so widely adopted. It's sort of like VR, you know,
it's like if it doesn't take off, then it's not
really a problem. How many people are actually buying and
these things is.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
A Kyrie scale. Kick in and shout out to Tennessee.
You're bringing back you say, we bring back one of
my favorite derogatory terms for this phenomena. Could you give
it to us on air?
Speaker 5 (22:46):
Glassholes.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah, that's what people used to call Google glass users.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
Right, yeah, ya yea, yeah, yeah, wow, that's right. That
was in the early days, glassholes, because they were some
kind of actually, yeah, there were.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
They were informative too. They weren't doing the things that
meta wants to do, which is blending in but you've
got to you've got to know here, fraud Daddy, that
we've I think separately at least spent a lot of
time thinking about this, and I learned just thirty five
minutes ago, as right around as we began recording, Gizmoto
(23:19):
did verify the prediction. Yes, Meta is testing police surveillance
tech for its smart classes. Beautiful Pokemon go all over again.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
But then the question becomes like is this better? Is
this good in terms of accountability? Like for police, like
you know obviously they often are able to turn off there.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
You know, it'd be great if it was just immediately
uploaded somewhere that the public could just view, right, or
some body that is a third party to whatever law
enforcement agency or justice department could just view that stuff.
But we know that those that footage gets lost all
the time or misplaced or oh it wasn't working or whatever.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
And it becomes like, just the addendum here for anybody
who wants to read that article by James Parrow is
that the company is developing these tools for facial recognition.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yes, which is precisely what we're talking about today and
why we are listening to frog Daddy's message. Here here
is some well, but before we get into that, we
have to do this. In two thousand and twenty three
and twenty twenty four, around two million of these AI
empowered glasses were sold, which isn't a ton, right, But
then according to CNBC, around seven million of these glasses
(24:41):
were sold in twenty twenty five, So it does mean
there are way more of them around, right. So I mean, again,
that's not an incredible number considering the number of human
beings on the planet. But you think about the number
of human beings in the United States, that's a pretty
significant number of these glasses floating around, depending on We
don't have the numbers for the US in particular, right,
(25:03):
but that's a lot of glasses. Here's why the privacy
thing and why FA facial recognition is the problem. Here's
some reporting from Wired from June fourth, Meta silently added
face recognition code for its smart glasses to millions of phones.
We're gonna read just a tiny bit of this code.
Reviewed by Wired uncovered and unreleased face recognition system embedded
(25:27):
in Meta's smart glasses platform. It's designed to identify people
via biometric data stored on users phones. And that's all
I can read because according to Wired quote, you've read
your last free article. But but.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
I know it's true.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
We can go to reporting from futurism because they talked
about this reporting out of Wired. Here we go. This
is Maggie Harrison Dupre June eighth, Meta furious over bombshell
smart glasses revelation. I'm gonna read quite a bit of
this guy, and then I'd love to comment on it.
And I'm just ranting because it's part of the article
and its info I think people need. Last week, Wired
(26:06):
reporter of that Meta discreetly moved to infuse facial recognition
tech into as popular smart classes, as evidenced by a
piece of code discovered in the Meta AI app by
the magazine's journalists. The unreleased feature, internally dubbed name tag.
That's one word. Name tag would would quote transform faces
captured by Meta's glasses into unique biometric signatures commonly known
(26:28):
as face prints, and check each one against face prints
stored on the user's phone. This is a database currently
configured to receive updates from Meta. The report made clear
that name tag is not yet activated, nor is it
accessible to consumers. In its current form. In an initial
(26:48):
response to Wired, Meta referred to the discovery as quote
sensational and characterized nametag as exploratory. But you guys, this
isn't the first time in read months that this name
tag thing has been in the news, because in February,
The New York Times reported on an internal memo in
which Meta discussed plans to install name tag into its
(27:11):
smart glasses. Here's the crazy part, guys. In the memo,
Meta noted that the ethically fraught feature should ideally be
launched listen to this quote during a dynamic political environment
where many civil society groups that we would expect to
attack us would have their resources focused on other concerns unquote.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
So like, well, they're not paying real Yeah, they they.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Know how bad it is internally, and they know it's
going to be a huge fight when they release it,
So we need to do it when they're not paying attention.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
That's insane and it gives us an insight into UH.
I would argue the motives here, Frog Daddy, not just
the pr sensitivities, because they don't just know that there
would be outcry, but they know what they will inevitably
do with this technology.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Oh yeah, and what we know about meta all that
data is for sale. That's like the main thing.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
Yeah. I think I mentioned this on a Strange News
a while back. But the group Massive Attack, who I
think we're all fans of, did a thing in their
live concerts on this recent tour that I actually had
tickets to in Atlanta, but then they cancel it for
whatever reason. I was really sad about that. But they
have a moment where there's a thing that happens where
it literally flashes up little squares, hundreds of little squares
(28:37):
showing facial recognition of members of the audience along with
captions saying creator of content, propagandist, hacker, analyzer, organizer. The
idea being that you know, they are in some way
tapping into some database that is then tagging these individuals
(28:59):
in the crowd for whatever anti government thing that they
do in their free time and have They got a
lot of flak for this because a lot of websites
kind of circulated the idea that they were doing this
for real, that they were actually pulling from public databases
and correlating the images, the face recognition data from members
(29:22):
of their audiences with stuff from their background and creating
this thing. So they actually had to come out and
make a statement, which I just thought the way they
put it was really interesting. They said, as a provocation
on the hyper expansion of surveillance capitalism with a bit
of mirth. It worked quite well with recent emphasis placed
on ice repression and targeting of students and student suppression
in Serbia depicted via face tags that describe specific roles
(29:44):
in student proto, they're just talking about the live effect
using simple face detection stuff, and then it combined it
with these fictional overlays that had nothing to do with
the actual people. This is the part that I thought
was interesting, especially regarding what we're talking about. The irony
of an artistic political satire being used to evidence the
same controversial activity being used by the artistic satirists is
(30:06):
very twenty twenty five damn. And then they specifically go
into how Palenteer is affecting their lives in the UK
and investigation by the human rights group Liberty revealed that
several UK police forces have refused to disclose details of
agreements or contract with US spy tech firm and Godza
genocide profiteer Palenteer. In fact, it was only via Freedom
(30:26):
of Information Act request we learned that British police forces
are working with Palenteer quote to develop a surveillance network
that will incorporate data about citizens political opinions, philosophical beliefs,
health records and other sensitive personal information. Remember voting for that?
Neither do we.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Matt on the follow up here with what we're talking
about with what very much appears to be a sneaky
spoopy doop be moved by Meta? Can we talk a
little bit about Rank one computing?
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Oh dude, yes, Okay. So the original Wired piece came
out on June fourth, then it was talked about by
a lot of folks afterwards. The one we read from
Futurism about that article was June eighth. On that same day,
on June eighth, Wired put out another article Meta deletes
face recognition system from its smart glasses app. After Wired
(31:22):
report and just again, I can read basically the subtitle
to every Wired article. So this one is the code
Wired identified is gone from the latest version of Meta AI,
the companion app for the company's smart glasses. Meta won't
say whether it's coming back, but that's all I know. Again,
too many articles, but There's another article that came out
(31:47):
on June fifteenth, again from Wired under their security banner,
Meta tapped a Pentagon supplier to prototype face recognition for
its glasses. That's where Rank one that you mentioned Ben
comes in. Is more commonly known as Rank one Computing
or rock rocout, says Jehovah. Exactly, it says. Rank one,
(32:10):
whose board includes a former CIA deputy director and a
former FBI Science chief, supplied face recognition to metaphor internal
development of its smart glasses app, which leads us over
to roc dot ai ROCKAI. It says the proof is
in the pixels. Rock high fidelity algorithms decode identities with
(32:32):
maximum accuracy and near zero bias for missions where speed,
precision and fairness matter. Number one ranked by NIST two
hundred million powering identity for the world's most demanding organizations.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Yeah, and listen to where they said near perfect because
they this was formed in twenty fifteen by a bunch
of very smart engineers who worked for a nonprofit called
noblest and ranked one. I believe first got into hot
water in twenty twenty because their facial recognition software was
(33:11):
a big part of the first known wrongful arrest in
the US based on face Wreck. They targeted incorrectly an
African American man named Robert Williams for a shoplifting incident,
and he was jammed up in Detroit PD custody until
(33:31):
some reasonable person was able to say, hey, this is
totally a different guy. So Rank one can say they're
near perfect, but near perfect is not the same thing
as you know, perfect, And Matt, I think eighty percent
of Rank one's revenue comes directly from government clients. So
(33:52):
it's like shadows INQ tell almost.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
That's where the money is, baby, Yeah, the money's in
them contract Those contracts we're not supposed to really know
too much about, at least according to Rage against the Machine.
If you believe them, yeah.
Speaker 5 (34:11):
You know what I say, guys, believe Rage, Believe Rage.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
It is so funny to see all of these weapons
contractors we've looked at over just what a month, two months, maybe,
we've been looking at so many different ones. You go
to everyone's website, you see the same kind of blustery
language on everyone. You go to the about section on everything,
you look at the team and the board, all these
folks in their nice looking suits. We're talking b Scott
(34:38):
Swan in this corner. In the other corner, you got
Josh CON's, you got Blake Moore and Tony Brown and
it's just so crazy to see all these just dudes
in suits and.
Speaker 5 (34:50):
Yeah, but don't the Trump kids haven't they benefited from
some of these contracts.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Well, but a couple of them can't even rake a
UFC game to save their lives.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
You guys saw them, Dude, what do you think about that?
Speaker 7 (35:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (35:02):
I did? And did you see that?
Speaker 6 (35:04):
The guy that.
Speaker 5 (35:04):
Posted it, Uh, he's now said that he was hash
sure would and that it was all AI. So a
guy had.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
A guy had posted briefly on Twitter, which some folks.
Speaker 5 (35:16):
Call x UFC commentator.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
He had he had posted what appeared to be a
series of text messages between himself and Eric Trump Junior,
wherein Eric Trump was asking for uh for any side
bets on rigged matches at Insider Information.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
It started off as him being like, are any of
the fighters injured? And then the guy was like, why
are you asking me that now? As far as I know,
they're all good, And then he said, I'm just going
to cut to the chase. Are these are any of
these fights rigged? Because I'm looking to make some money.
I will say it's a little like two hand in
the cookie jar. I wouldn't be surprised if it maybe
was AI. And that's the problem with all this stuff,
(35:58):
because you know it, it just muddies the water. It's
just such an alarming degree that now that the bad
actors can say, and that's you.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Know, I don't want to derail us too much here,
but that's that's.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Oh, Daniel Corny, I really like him.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
But he's now saying, you know, because there's there's two
ways you could look at it. You could look at
it that he did this thing, tried to expose something,
and then the pressure was put on him, maybe his
career was threatened, and then he you know, had to
delete the tweet and then come up with another version
of events. But I could also see it totally being
AI and him having been But it seems unlikely.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
It does seem likely, folks, that if you're enjoyed us,
you're going to tune into our episode on Raytheoon, which
itself might become a two part series. Speaking of the
big defense contracts and the incestuous nature of these surveillance
and weapons companies boards you know what I mean. You
see the same recurring characters pop up.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
That's right. I did not expect Justin Gaetchee to win
that bout. And then, you know, it makes me wonder
of all the things we've covered about sports fixing and
things I don't know guys.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Oh and Eric Eric Trump regular not Eric Trump Junior.
Excuse me, I have a hard time keeping track of
which ones the junior.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Oh, that understood, But yeah, just to sometimes you see
these guys going and trying to win multiple, you know,
multiple titles at different way classes, just don't expect them
to win. Yeah, seems like maybe a thing that's happening there,
but can't prove it anyway. Hey, thank you so much
Frog Daddy for putting this into our attention sphere. We
will keep an eye and maybe some AI empowered optics
(37:43):
on this going forward. We'll be right back with more
messages from.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
You, and we have returned, fellow conspiracy realist. We're gonna
hit up something that we teased a little bit in
last week's listener mail program. We're hearing from k K.
You wrote to us and you say hello or hello.
(38:11):
I'm not sure how to do the voice and you say,
I've just listened to your brilliant interview segment on Lucy
let Be and I feel I can give you a
bit more insight into our National Health Service or NHS
and the context within which LLL was practicing as a nurse.
Bit of info about me. I'm a Crown servant who
(38:31):
investigates avoidable deaths in NHS services. K. This makes you
the perfect person to weigh in on this, and we're
grateful for your time. You say, I've done this for
the past ten years. Alas, I can only share information
within the public domain because my role is covered by
the Official Secrets Act nineteen eighty nine. And I believe
(38:54):
we talked about the Official Secrets Act in an episode recently,
didn't we? It was something.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
I genuinely can't remember, or at least not with regards
to NHS.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Yeah, okay, okay, we did mention the We did mention.
Oh you know what it was, Alistair. We mentioned the
Official Secret Act in spying with Alistair? Uh, because we're
on a first name basis with him, now, K you continue, yeah, Ac,
big Ac? So kay? You continue? You say I could
go to prison for sharing information outside of the public domain,
(39:34):
as we noted, even US Yanks are aware that the
Official Secrets Act in all its forms is pretty serious business,
K you say. I mentioned this because I have a
decade of experience investigating the intricacies, nuances, and failings of
our NHS. Our NHS is amazing. I would take it
(39:54):
in its current underfunded and grumbling form right now over most,
if not all, private healthcare models. Now, Kay, the four
of us are thoroughly American. So I got asked, I
got to ask the crew here personally, I agree with Kay,
what do you guys think?
Speaker 5 (40:14):
Yeah, give me anything, any any kind of nationalized healthcare.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Now.
Speaker 5 (40:18):
I know we talked about that in the episode though, too,
about how we do kind of have this romanticized notion
here in the States of what nationalized healthcare looks like,
and it ain't perfect. But no, I would argue that
even imperfect, an imperfect version of that is better than
what we have here, which is, you know, either make
the choice between getting medical attention or being Yes, poverty
(40:41):
is the when you think about it. I said this before,
but poverty is the leading cause of death in the
United States because of private healthcare.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
I do you guys, ever, wonder if we've been in
some way led to believe any of these things, because
I fully am on board with everything you're saying, like,
I think that is all true, right, And I've seen
instances of human beings being placed in that debt because
of health care issues right in a privatized system. So
(41:13):
I believe, in my heart of hearts, I believe the
public system is better.
Speaker 6 (41:18):
I would.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
I'm so glad we're hearing from somebody who is actually
inside it, who can give us this insight.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. You know, before we get back to
k we do have to acknowledge that doctors shouldn't work
for free. Obviously, it's a very stressful, very high skilled job,
and we have to acknowledge that in a lot of
places that do have more of a public health care
model and treat it more like national security, which very
(41:47):
much is, people still have to wait, sometimes for an
astonishing length of time to get life saving care. And
if you lived in a place that is more or
less entirely privatized, like the United States, and you have
enough money, then you can get that organ you need,
(42:08):
you can get that heart surgery, and you don't have
to wait in line with the poors and the public.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
So yeah, you just got to find someone with a
viable liver.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
Check out our episode about the red market. Oh my gosh,
the pricing, the markup on those things is insane, those
things being human organs.
Speaker 5 (42:27):
Damn it.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Okay, So Kate, continuing with you, you say, I've had
extensive care and treatment over the years at no cost
at the point of access, meaning you know, if you're
in the UK, you're paying taxes, so you are paying
for your health care. And k you say, there's still
a private sector here you can access at your own
(42:48):
expense if you want to. With the NHS, you get
choice rather than restriction. Neither the NHS nor the private
sector is forced upon you. I have personally chosen, say,
to self fund one aspect of my care, but I
rely on the NHS for all other care. One thing
to point out here is I'm going to focus on England,
(43:10):
the reason being that the let Be case happened in England.
Scotland and other developed nations have their NHS run differently.
They get a set budget and those countries can divvy
up that funding as they say fit. So for example,
in Scotland, prescriptions are entirely free and so is training
to become a nurse or a doctor. But that's not
(43:31):
the case in England. And that's cool. I didn't know
that you could just become a doctor for free in
some countries, Scotland. Let's go, hey Scotland, you up hit
us up then I'm not opposed to hackus. I've tried it,
hey man, I'd love to.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Gosh, man, can you imagine just being able to get
that training for free exactly like secondaries like Caledge or whatever.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
You know, good lord, there's got to I mean, it's
it's got to be like some scholarships here, right, you
have to sign something saying you're going to work for
Scotland's public Health service for X amount of time. Right, Yeah,
they're not just gonna let you skewed in and then
learn cardiology.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
Yeah, you know, there's so much concept of incentive in
at least that's what you hear in a privatized world,
Like how are you going to incentivize folks to become
the best doctor in their field and all that other stuff?
And you do it through competition. So you got to
get that grant, or you got to get that scholarship,
You got to get these things and be the best.
(44:42):
But I do wonder how many more doctors you would
have in that situation. Are there too many doctors in Scotland?
Speaker 3 (44:48):
I would love it if there was a place that
had too many doctors, you know, like.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
You gotta get out of here, guys. Too many doctors.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
Too many doctors get weirded out. This guy knows too
much about my bones.
Speaker 5 (45:01):
They're just crawling out of the cracks man.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
Yeah, somebuddy's tender in Edinburgh, like the one of their
lines in their caption is no doctors, No more doctors.
Swipe left. So this letter we're going to paraphrase some
of it, but we are aware of the vast disparities
in contrast here, even in Canada versus the United States.
(45:26):
And Kate, you point out some of the very troubling
things about the NHS which do apply to the let
be case. You say, the first major reason our NHS
is in trouble is that we have an aging population
and old people get sick more often. We also largely
privatize our social care sector, which has been an absolute disaster,
(45:49):
and now we're trying to nationalize it again at an
eye watering cost, because now you have to persuade those
private companies to lose money, so they want their vigorous.
This impacts the nh US because when the older folks
get stuck at a hospital due to lack of community
social care, the number of available hospital beds stay static.
(46:11):
So it's kind of like comparison. It's kind of like
if you go to a mall and you try to
park your car on a Tuesday night, it's can be
way easier than going on Saturday afternoon because everybody else
is taking those parking spots. This is apparently, guys. This
is so prolific and frequent that now it has a
(46:33):
street name, bed blocking. They call it bed blocking, which
is terrible because it makes old people sound like the villains.
I all love it.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
That's really bad.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
Yeah, it's kind of cold, right. The next major reason
K says that is that we began privatizing parts of
the NHS from the nineteen nineties. This is another big
reason NHS is in trouble. You say, one, we outsource
some aspects of health service to private providers, and now
we're paying more money for worse service. Shadows of private equity.
(47:08):
We talk about that in so many industries here in
the States, and then two Tony Blair ruled out something
called private finance initiatives PFIs, right, tagamon incentives. Yeah, these
PFIs use private capital to fund infrastructure, and you know
that includes hospitals. But the repayments that are put on
(47:30):
the public are punishing and oh yeah, the NHS has
to pay back those private big dogs before they can
spend any money on patient care.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
Beautiful, just the way it was meant to be.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
Just yeah, exactly, I'm sure ten ten no notes. And
there's another aspect here that's conspiratorial, k And we trust
your expertise on this point. You say, on top of this,
American healthcare companies are currently bribing our politicians. We know
this because all politicians have to declare their donations, which
(48:09):
would be nice if it happened here in the States,
And they are getting a small fortune from American healthcare corporations.
Our current health secretary in particular, has a disgraceful number
of quote unquote donations from US healthcare giants. At least
they know, at least they know, you know what I mean,
(48:30):
Like we're still black boxed on that stuff. We just like,
I still want us to have a law where a
politician has to be like a NASCAR driver and you
have to have patches on your jacket from every company
that gave you money. So like Shell rate theon Tennessee pudding.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
Yes, that's the best one. Yeah, if you had metaglasses
with AI facial recognition, you could set it up to
where every politician has overlays with all those things. That's
just putting it out there.
Speaker 3 (49:01):
That's a great point. Ck, we're all about solutions on stuff.
They don't want you to know. You also mention a
phenomenally disturbing article published in The Lancet which seems to
We checked it out, but the study is from twenty
twenty two. It's called outsourcing healthcare services to the private
(49:22):
sector and treatable mortality rates in England from twenty thirteen
to twenty twenty And what they prove pretty conclusively is
that excess death rates rose in line with the rate
of privatization. And this is not just correlation, this is causation.
Privatization of healthcare in the United Kingdom is killing people
(49:44):
there who would otherwise probably be alive.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
That's crazy, man, that's the thing. How could that be happening? Sorry,
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (49:57):
Yeah, well, we're going to paraphrase a little bit more
of this, Kay. You also mentioned David Cameron's austerity policy
from twenty ten to twenty sixteen that put in a
lot of funding cuts on public services, which you say
crumbled all the way up until the pandemic. And at
that point they were so unprepared for the lockdown and
(50:22):
the massive wave of sickness that the entire system almost collapsed.
And now because of these missteps, it's going to quote
cost us far far more to rebuild the system that
it ever would have cost to maintain our current infrastructure.
And then you know, since we had Brexit wipe out
(50:42):
an estimated ninety billion pounds sterling a year off our
economy since twenty twenty, we're an even worse of a fix.
Things that are understaffed, underfunded and unsafe in general from
K's research are maternity care in the unit Kingdom and
mental health care.
Speaker 1 (51:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:04):
Two of the big ones you need, maternity and mental health.
So you go on to really drive home the point
of the private sector's damaging effect on the right to
medical care, which should be a human right. You say,
because of this and the aging population, there is a
(51:24):
lack of adequate resources and care, and it stems directly
from bringing aspects of the private sector into health and
social care system. These have been a series of political
choices made since the nineteen nineties. It's not due to
the model itself being unworkable. It worked bloody fine. And
you could tell a case irritated here because bloody is
(51:45):
a curse word in the UK. So it worked bloody
five for forty years without the private sector, and suddenly
when we invited it in the private sector began cannibalizing
the NHS from with in benh.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
Yeah, so it's a lot like a vampire then.
Speaker 3 (52:05):
It very much is or private equity, which is itself
just sort of like a financial.
Speaker 5 (52:09):
Version evert inte private equity in.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
Yes, Yeah, to keep the talisman on your door, that's
what I've learned from from.
Speaker 3 (52:20):
And uh, don't let anybody in and have a safe
word if they pretend to be another company. All the
best from the uk K. Well, thank you UKK for
clearing this up. This is awesome. We love hearing from
experts with on the ground knowledge. We're not going to
have time to get to a fascinating conversation we have
with cloak about UAP. We also just got to let
(52:44):
you know, in addition to AI kidnapping, AI dating cat
fishing is a very real thing, so please do be
aware of that if you're dating online, and do especially
if they ask you for money, and do check out
subredits like our slash is this AI. Thank you so
much for tuning in. We would love to hear your thoughts.
Big big thanks to Frog Daddy, One Eyed Cyclops, big
(53:07):
thanks to K, big thanks to of course Chef Ben.
You utter legend. So hit us on the lines, call
us on the phone. You can always send us an email.
Speaker 5 (53:17):
You sure can do all of those things. And if
you want to find this online, you can reach out
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Speaker 2 (53:26):
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got three minutes, give yourself a cool nickname and let
us know what you think about all of this. Where
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Speaker 3 (53:57):
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