March 26, 2026 • 62 mins
In this week's listener mail segment: Hootsifer hips Ben, Matt and Noel to the fascinating -- and disturbing -- process of using human brain cells on microchips to play the videogame Doom. Noah prompts the guys to plan a trip to the underground tunnels of Missoula, Montana. Sacratomato shares the strange story of Moltbook. Tune in to learn more.
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Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is My
name is Nola.
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I'm laughing because that thing about our secret library is true,
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But we confide something. Oh, Dylan, you have outdone yourself. Man. Guys,
before we go any further, can we talk about video
games just a little bit, just real quick.
Speaker 7 (03:22):
Yeah, Oh my gosh, yes, I just I'm on the
DLC for Control now finally, guys, I beat the regular
game part and now I'm on the DLC and boy,
oh boy, do I love.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Video games the whole time?
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For Control Residence.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Are we going to talk about Marathon? The new Bungee title.
It I still haven't played yet. I do kind of
want to play it, but I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
I feel like I got burned.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Bungeee is.
Speaker 7 (03:46):
The shooting the shooty one, right, It's the big popular
shooting Xbox One.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Halo.
Speaker 7 (03:51):
Halo's the one that's the clearly I see an x
Xbox guy. But I will say I almost bought an Xbox.
I wanted to play Starfield that bad and I didn't
do it. And I just found out that it's coming
out on ps five and fifteen days.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Thought it was already out, went ahead and clicked the button,
paid the money.
Speaker 7 (04:05):
And realized it was a pre order because it said
time to auto download fifteen days.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
I'm like, this must be huge.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Good friend, good friend of the show, Doc Holliday, who
still hangs out with us and kicks it. She persuaded
me to get an Xbox for Starfield, and I've just
been waiting for that DLC your continual updates and revisions
to kind of give it that cyberpunk moment where it
(04:32):
starts out about that great and then it becomes amazing.
I'm back on boulders Gate three. I'm doing a run
through that. It's still just a phenomenal time vampire that
game text for me.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Man, I got a squint. My eyeballs can't handle it.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
My family's building a giant world in Minecraft right now
together as a collective, and it is one of my
favorite things to do.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
The hammock and I don't know, man, there is in
Balder's Gate three. Oh my god, they got in Minecraft.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
They got to be I got to stop bringing up
Balder's Gate three like it's a baby I just had.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
By the way, and Balder's Gate three.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
If everything mon aime, there's probably an enchanted hammock of
some sort that I just haven't found. But if you
love video games as much as we do, you probably
caught the recent news that we're still just mystified by
because one it's an echo of a really awesome, uh
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largely online community, and two because it shows us some
terrifying implications for the future. So I suggest we pause
for a word from our sponsors, and then we check
in with our fellow conspiracy realist hoots.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Hot.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
You right, it's your old pal Hutzefr with some fresh
new nightmare fuel for you this week. Have you seen
the news scientists have trained human brain cells on a
microchip to play Doom in a week. I have two
thoughts on this, one, says hutzefer. One is just imagine
a future where they equip attack drones with brain cells
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just like this, where they're in effect, will be drones
that can kill with the efficiency of living soldiers gift
and occurs. Hutzefer. Second, you say, here's my other thought,
what if the cells have a human consciousness? Could you
imagine your existence and all you know of life only
exist in the Doom video game? And Hutsifer, you have
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linked us to the news from New Scientists. That's one
of the pop side places putting it out, and you
also have sent us down an amazing rabbit hole. So, first, guys,
not to be too bubbled. I know all of us
know us. But what is Doom?
Speaker 7 (07:03):
It's that the Timothy Chalamet vehicle about the spice and
the worms.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
I'm sorry, no, that's not true. What is Doom?
Speaker 3 (07:15):
So? Doom is a legendary first person shooter game. It's
it's pretty old now because it first came out in
nineteen ninety three, which is pretty ancient for video games.
Speaker 7 (07:30):
Right, And it wasn't it. The precursor to it was Wolfenstein. Yes,
final was Hitler, and it was I think, yeah. It
really revolutionized a lot of like the use of like
sprites is like a kind of term for like different
textures and video games and being able to simulate three
D really well without like having insane processing power and
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Doom definitely took that to the next level. ID software
a story onto themselves, really really fascinating game studio.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Yeah, and Doom has become a vast franchise. I am
guilty of reading several of the novels as well as
the comic books, and I think we remember, uh, there
was not one, but two Doom films that had you know,
been seen in theaters.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yeah, that was I remember that was first person Shooter
stylized in the film the movie Film for You, which
was a really cool.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Concept with Dwayne the Rock Johnston.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
And yes, that was one of the until you So
you watched it and you're like, oh, that's it looks
so much better than my crazy PC.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
The District nine guy did a little bit better with
the first person POV thing hardcore Harry or Henry or
something like that. Do you guys remember that.
Speaker 7 (08:53):
One looked fun because that was really leaning into the
aesthetics of those type of games. Ben, is this story
in any way related to all the talk of like
hackers figured out how.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
To play Doom on a pregnancy test.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
I would say it's a natural extensions. It's been around,
like there is an entire Okay, we'll introduce you to it. Folks.
There is an entire subreddit and online community, and I
imagine several discords dedicated to running Doom. It's relatively simple
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to run at this point, running Doom on any imaginable
electronic device. So if you want to have a really
weird fun fifteen minutes or your afternoon, go to reddit
dot com board slash r board slash it runs Doom.
You're going to see You're going to see it running
on center consoles of cars, as Noel mentioned, pregnancy tests,
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smart fridges, home assistant dashboards. You're going to see it
with Tesla, but the car is the controller for that
Doom Doom adaptation or emulation. You're going to see people
running it on office phones, like the old school office
phones we used to have.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Yeah, from Cisco, right, yeah, just so.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
People even running it on Samsung in X one cameras.
For a long time, people have done this. They've even
run it inside other games like Roller Coaster Tycoo.
Speaker 7 (10:25):
Well, and it's sick, especially the Samsung thing or like
the weird like this is totally the wrong equipment for this.
The textures are replaced by like weird pixelated kind of
silver almost like you're looking at the matrix, you know,
but it's white.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
It's really it's very interesting.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Sorry, guys, I was just reminiscing in my mind about
how I got in trouble.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
For playing Doom on a graph calculator.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
No, but I found a way to get Quake. Another
first game came out a couple of years after Doom,
but putting it on some school computers at middle school
somewhere in Georgia.
Speaker 7 (11:00):
Absolutely remember when they used to like you'd get those
on floppy discs or I'm sorry, maybe not floppy disk
but like three and a half diskets that you'd call them.
And I think one of the brilliant strokes of software
was that they made these demos like really free and available,
and that's what caused the word of mouth to go nuts.
(11:22):
Quake was also one of the first soundtracking gigs for
Trent Reznor of nine right, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Yeah, So we know that humanity is increasingly mainstreaming video games,
especially with the ubiquity of mobile devices and things for
a while becoming a little bit more affordable. Obviously not
now shout out to the ram Wars, but this natural
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extension of seeing what we can put on a weird
electronic device for doom. There was always a community interested
in this since the late nineteen nineties, but we see
other companies have been more focused on using human neurons
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to power computer chips if we go to twenty twenty one,
As new scientists mentions in this excellent article by Alex Wilkins,
there was a company that figured out how to use
neuron powered computer chips to play pong, Cortical Labs out
of Australia, out of oz and their chips that they
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created were these clumps of more than eight hundred thousand
living brain cells that were grown atop these micro electrode
arrays such that they could send and receive electrical signals.
Brain cells already communicate in that manner, right, so we're
kind of just adding weird new slice ges to the
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communication sandwich. And the researchers, at least in Australia fully
trained these chips such that they could do the very
simple motion of controlling the paddles on either side of
the screen. Now, at first they weren't that great at it, right,
because we all know the real art of pong is
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to predict where the little dot is going. To go next, right,
So they had to teach them to move the paddles first,
and then they had to say, also, there's this thing.
You got to chase this.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
One well, and then it's so fascinating that you could
take that which is what literally a couple of pixels
worth of represented data. If you think about that dot
that they once they got to that step. Now you're
converting that into a full screen of different colors and
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moving like you're supposed to find depth somehow in that
data and then also aim with your gun.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Right right, And at some point you have to say,
I wish I had more brain cells as a microchip.
There is a pattern, there is a trend, and you
made a phenomenal point about the leap in technology and
dare we say cognition here because Cortical Labs developed an interface.
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This news was breaking just last month. Cortical Labs developed
this interface, this ux kind of thing that made it
easy for independent developers to use Python, the programming language,
to program these chips with human brain cells. An independent
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developer named Sean Cole used Python to teach the chips
to play Doom, and it took them about one week,
which is crazy because learning teaching pong took years of expertise,
years of blood, sweat and tears, and I'm sure a
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lot of brain cells died on the drawing board. But
Brett Kagan of Cortical Labs confirms this, says, Look, we're amazing.
We're not mad at Sean Cole. We're amazed that someone
working independently could do in a matter of days something
that was far too complex for us at first. We're
(15:17):
making Gangbusters progress. He says. It's the accessibility and the
flexibility that makes this exciting.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Uh Oh, I have a question, ben yeh.
Speaker 8 (15:30):
Do?
Speaker 2 (15:31):
And I'm serious about this, guys. Do we think Pong
might be more difficult than doom when it comes to
achieving the goals within that game and getting it right?
When I think about the margin of.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Predicting the pass past, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
And actually how how small that dot is as the
pong ball right, and then how small your paddle is
versus and how.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
Far you know.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
I guess it depends too on because pong is each
iteration is limited to a set number of points until
you reach a win. But so therefore it would depend
upon how long the chip plays do because after a
certain point You're going to have to do resource management right,
You're going to have to make decisions about what kind
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of weapon or what kind of paddle to use right
for the enemy ball. So I would say maybe at
the first level of Doom, it's comparable to Pong if
you just get past you know, the coloring and just
think about how things move around. But then as you progress,
it has to become more difficult.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
I want to believe it. I was just watching a
video on social media about games that we grew up with,
and how like the difficult level of early games from
you know there were in late seventies eighty is in
the nineties.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
You can't make it pretty, so let's make it hard.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Well yeah, well, just how little handholding there was in
most of the gaming that we came up with, and
then how that's changed so much. You know, if you
imagine mission, you get and oh there's a sparkly little
line that takes you right over there, there's a way point.
Oh that's what you need to do. Oh it actually
says text on the screen of what I need to
get done.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
You know, whereas in games like Souls, like games there's
there's this beautiful, brutal idea of there is one thing
that is really cool. One guy has it and you
somewhere somewhere, and you're not going to find him, but
we will let you find a little scroll that tells
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you he's out there. H oh.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
And also there's no map, so good luck memorizing where
everything is.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
There's no map or like in control since Nola, you're
red onto that now the map changes, you know what
I mean? Good luck? And so they all believe that,
all the boffins here believe that Doom is representative of
a huge step forward. But the very careful to caveat
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we cannot compare these chips to human brains because they say, yes,
there's biological material, but what it's being used as is
a material that can process information ways that we cannot
recreate in silicon. That's a little I feel like that's
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going to increasingly become a gray area divide Because to
your questions, Hootsfer, this does seem we're on board with
you man in the same veins the two concerns you
raise wrote back to you regarding does it run doom
and then also ask your permission to air this on
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listener mail. I think the the first concern is just
a matter of trend. Right. If research like this continues,
then naturally we'll find other possible use cases for microchips
that use human or biological matter.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Very soon, we're gonna have let's say, a police officer
who gets brutally beaten and shot a whole bunch of times,
and then they have their just most of their head
placed into a robot and then some kind.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Of robots cop.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
I think that's whe're it.
Speaker 7 (19:36):
There's got to be a better name for it, sent popa.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
So we'll workshop that one. I think we're onto something,
and we're right in the zeitgeist. Uh, but yeah, this
could easily be used in theory to power decision making machines, right,
because that's all played in a video. Aim is it's
making a series of decisions. And we could say, we
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could say that the primary concern, the secondary one that
you bring up to us here at Who'suffer, is the
idea of consciousness. At what aggregation of brain cells do
we arrive at physical structure and hence consciousness And we
don't This civilization doesn't know how to define consciousness yet,
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Like really as not the best ideas.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Oh we this reminds me there. We have to do
an episode on these wild concepts that we've been seeing.
I think we may have had a little discussion off
Mike about the heart, the human heart, and how it
actually functions, and how it's this like field of energy,
like electromagnetic field of energy that is actually the thing
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potentially that is driving our consciousness rather than our processor.
It's crazy out their theories.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Right down, write it down. And we went a little
bit long on this one because we love video games
just so much, and honestly because we missed each other
and we missed you all. I'd like to end this
part of our weekly listener mail program by recommending everybody
go to Cortical Labs on YouTube to get a look
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at living human brain cells plane doom directly right for
the first time via these chips. In closing, we want
to hear your thoughts. What would you put What video
game do you think brain powered micro chip should play?
What's the game that you want in your head at
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all times?
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Speaker 2 (22:06):
And we've returned. Guys. I don't know what I was thinking.
It's called missile Command, not missile defense.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
You maniac.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Well, I know, we just made a new gritty extension
of the franchise, you know what I mean.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
Another candidate from Brain micro Chip Gaming mine sweeping soon.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I play it too often. We
were talking about that during the break. I play. I
play it first thing every morning and like last thing
at night.
Speaker 7 (22:35):
I just like playing with my unexploded mine that I
keep it, guys.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Groom, because otherwise I'm not sweeping.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Hey. My son just got his first computer and he
loaded it up and clicked on the little games folder
that you get with those, and I saw a mind sweeper.
Speaker 10 (22:52):
And oh my god, I know, I love and I
got to teach him the way and we'll see if
he actually is any good at it.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Well he hasn't played.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
I mean, you can be less bad at mine sweeper.
Speaker 7 (23:08):
But anyhow, reversing a land mindfield it requires just as
much luck as it does skill.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
I think we can all argue.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
And real mindfields don't have brightly numbered grids and smiley faces, yes,
but there are I do want to point out I
don't talk about volunteering or personal stuff too often on
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Speaker 7 (23:44):
And can I also just add really quickly, I saw
the most incredible film over the weekend called Surrat and
it is about traveling techno music rave festivals in the
Moroccan desert in war zone and mine areas, and it
is harrowing and phenomenal and will break your heart. But
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I highly recommend anybody check it out that wants like
an intense time at the movies.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Amazing. With all of that said, let us jump to
the phone lines. We're going to hear a message from
mister Noah. Noah calls in all the time. You know
who you are, Noah, and he has sent us a
little message about his hometown that we find fascinating. This
is in reference, by the way, way back to our
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underground explorations that we've been doing. So let's check out
what's going on beneath a little town in Montana. Here
we go.
Speaker 8 (24:41):
Well by now you maybe noticing a pattern of calls
from people about tunnels, and I'm going to be one
of those. There are a lot of tunnels under Missoula, Montana,
where I happen to live. I happen to work in
an auto shop downtown that, for instance, used to connect
to him. And the thing about the tunnels here is
(25:02):
that not only was there a bunch of theme tunnels
that went from a central heating facility around town, like
to various locations like pretty far a couple miles, and
there were a network of those, and a network of
tunnels downtown that were the original old sidewalks and building fronts,
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and then they just built another level of street sidewalk
and everything over top, and then there were glass bricks
in the old sidewalks, which I remember as a kid.
They still existed around here when I was like, you know,
eight or nine, when I was originally moved to Missoula.
You know, you could see the original building fronts still
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down there, and there's quite a bit of evidence of
that around and I have been in some of those tunnels,
but I mean those used to go for instance, from
a building that I used to be in called the fire.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Stone Building, which is now a hotel.
Speaker 8 (25:58):
The Firestone Building had drive in service or getting your
tire service, and what you would do is, if you
were a well to do sort of guy who might
do this stuff, you would go park your vehicle down there,
and then you would access the tunnels that went to
the brothels and the opium dens and all the stuff there.
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And apparently even a Missoula mayor was killed in one
of those tunnels, probably doing just that. You could access
the elks and go use the gun range over there
and literally come up, get back in your car and
drive away. Actually, not even a block away from there
is the second ever Carpenter's Union Hall second whenever it
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was in Missoula, and it's just kind of a little
ways away from Butte. That's my opinion, because back in
the day when you heard about big cities, it was
New York, Chicago, Butte, Seattle, you know, not necessar early
in that order, view was way up there. And of
course the tunnel systems in Butte were crazy, just not
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even getting into it, but we've got a history of
tunnels around here, and those tunnels and the way that
people use them was very much like you know, it
was all the things that you could think of that
you would use tunnels for, nice reasons, practical reasons, nasty reasons,
subversive reasons. So I like the topic. I'm just starting
(27:27):
to listen to the episode and I'm looking forward to
getting into it. But I just as soon as you
talked about that, I was like, well, I'm pretty much
standing over tunnels right now. Heck, I can go across
the street and go into an underground parking garage that
I have access to over there that used to connect
into tunnels, and you can see where the old tunnel
locations are where you used to be able to go
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through portals, you know, like the old doors that they've
bricked up. You can still see the door frames.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
It's a little creepy.
Speaker 8 (27:57):
Makes me kind of wonder if there's Aman around anyway.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Okay, there you go. No, I like that tunnels make
you think of a batman. I just I think of
all the nefarious things that you mentioned there, Noah, that
are and you're saying them, you know, into as a
message to us. So it sounds there are people listening.
May just hear it as opinion, but there is a
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ton of stuff we found that backs up everything Noah
is talking about in that message about the tunnels beneath Missoula,
all their different you know, the range of use and
the types of tunnels and the history of them. Just
want to say thanks Noah for for hipping us to that,
because we found some cool stuff from gosh. Back in
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twenty thirteen, The Montana Cayman talking about that is known
as the last best college News. By the way, Okay,
you can find an article there titled Seeking the Truth
Beneath Missoula. A lot of what's in that article is
based on the work of Nicky Manning, who at the
time in twenty thirteen was a graduate student looking into
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Underground Missoula, who then went on to write basically the
book called Historic Underground Missoula, which is incredible to see
came out two years after she was doing that work
that's represented in the article there from The Montana Cayman.
It's a fun rabbit hole to go down. We recommend
you do it on your own because we won't have
time today to talk about all of it.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
But it does.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Go back directly to the Florence hotel, which is the
hotel that was built in place of that. I think
it's the Firestone building that you're mentioning there, built by
the Firestone family, a Harvey Samuel Firestone. We know a
lot about that family, as we have explored very wealthy
families over all the years here stuff. They'll want you
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to know that's one of them, a Firestone family. And
then just thinking about having access to like take your
car in, guys, I imagine this with me. You take
your car in to get serviced, and there's a secret
door that only you, the owners, and a few other
people know about. You go in there, and then you
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just have access to all kinds of vices and.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Shops, an underground network. You know, it's strange too, because,
first off, Noah, I would say, I'm a longtime listener
of yours. I've got to say, joy enjoy this because,
as Matt said, we were able to find things that confirm,
if not one hundred, not counting Batman, the vast majority
(30:53):
of the stories you have shared now they're not maybe
they're not necessarily unique to this town in particular, but
if anything, to me, that's more exciting because you're right, man,
you called it. We had so many people writing in
to share stories of similar underground networks or subterranean walkways
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transit pathways throughout cities in the United States and abroad. No, Matt,
as far as I could tell, this is now an
open secret right in this area of Montana. Everybody knows.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Yeah, it's well known. And it was actually the University
of Montana and archaeology class in particular that Nicki Manning
was a part of. As they were exploring the Florence
Hotel and then going through the tunnels and attempting to
find basically places where these tunnels led to. So where
are the other secret doors? They go down into the tunnels,
they found entrances beneath a place called top Hat, the
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Hammond Arcade, the Missoula Mercantile, and a little something that,
guys makes me think about a scandal slash conspiracy theory,
the Mackenzie River Pizza Company had a secret tunnel into
the underground.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
I see there's shades of quan on all. Right. Well, Matt,
when do we go into Missoula?
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Oh, dude, we need to and we can take a tour. Unfortunately,
everything I'm seeing and you can find some videos now
of underground tunnel searching there that are you know, their
official tours that you can do. A ton of the portals,
the entryways where there would have been a door at
one point, it's all just breakeed up. I think this
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is what we need to do.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
We need to get some kind of permit with the
City of Missoula. We need to go in with cameras
and microphones and a bunch of I don't know, sledgehammers
and just break open these things, explore every nook and
cranny we can possibly find.
Speaker 7 (32:56):
That's what I'm saying, man, I only want to go
on the unauthorized tour do some urban splunking together.
Speaker 8 (33:01):
You know.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Well, but let's get authorized for some kind of I
don't know, historical finding mission.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
I'll make some calls at Emory. We've got urban urban
architecture historians over there who will be glad to give
us a co side. Hey, if you're a college professor
or student, we like hanging out with you. We like
learning as much as possible, So hit us up if
you happen to need a weird mission, especially if we
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could convince accounting dude, yeah, or your accounting department preferably.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Oh my god, let's get the Smithsonian and Nicholas Cage
involved as well. I think we're onto something.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
I think we're cooking.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
If you want to learn more about this. And this
is kind of a weird one too, because I was
looking at this article just the other day. We're recording
on March twenty third, twenty twenty six, distinctly Montana dot
com some writing by Joe Shelton. It's time folklore and
mystery underneath Montana Streets. You cannot find it anymore. It
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says the server is no longer active all of a sudden,
but you can find it on the wayback machine. So
if you find the article URL and it says you
can't get there, just go to archive dot org type
it in the wayback machine and you will find it.
There is a ton of detail in here about the
Law and Order League of Chicago in nineteen sixteen, and
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it goes just super deep into the nineteen twenties and
thirties chambers of commerce, underground malls, and all kinds of
opium dens that were known at the time, and a
known brothel as well. It just was known. It's the
underground brothel we're.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Steaking, not to be confused with the one on Fourth Street,
which is above ground.
Speaker 7 (34:53):
I gotta yess, guys, combo brothel and opium den.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
I'm pretty sure that's how it worked.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
That's how it was. Yeah, I think that was their champagne.
And I thought, no, I agree you because you guys
remember back in the day it used to be awkward
to walk in and you would have to figure out, like, hey,
is this mainly an opium din that that does brothel
stuff or is it mainly a brothel thing that is
going to overcharge you for OPI you know, you got
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to figure out before you walk.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
Is there gin here? Can I get a joint?
Speaker 7 (35:29):
And is there also juke joint activities on the tape?
Speaker 3 (35:33):
And where are we at with Taco Bell and Pizza Hut?
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (35:37):
Well, we're at that combination Pizza Hut and Taco Bell.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Great, I do? I do? I actually met him on
you Cool Cool he's still yeah. So uh so, okay,
you mentioned a society there, Matt, and I'd love for
us to hear a little bit more. What was it
you had some of the key buzzwords, the League Justice something.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Oh, there's all, there's all kinds of information you can
find in that article. So in nineteen sixteen, this group
called the Law and Order League of Chicago took a
little road trip. They went to twenty eight cities. They
were attempting to assess the general lawlessness of those cities
compared to Chicago, because you see, Chicago had some lawlessness issues.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Right away in the contents earlier.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
You gotta look into it, you know, don't take our
word for it. Just check that out.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
He sure did.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Yeah, but here's a quote that we were going to
read because there was a town called hot I don't
know how to say this, Montana's I am sorry, h
A V R E Havera Montana Harvor Montana. I don't know,
but here's the quote about that town. The total of
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all that is vicious and depraved, parading openly without restraint.
That's that's how they're describing this town in Montana. They're saying,
there's smugglers and gangsters and opium dealers, beleaguered churchmen, and
centers of every description going on out there. And this
is just another one of those towns in Montana. If
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you imagine in the early nineteen hundreds, this is still
the West. It's it's still the West Ish, right. I
mean there's certainly civilization, there's towns, there are big cities
out there. Now it's you know, it's younger in its
civilized ways the way yeah, you know the ways that
(37:44):
maybe they even mentioned the term high faluting within this article. Yeah,
it's just it's not the same as walking down New
York City in that time. So yes, anyway, check it
all out. Thank you so much Noah for sending us
this information. And seriously, Misolla, would you be down for
(38:09):
us to make something cool maybe for Netflix if we
went in there, let's do it.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
We'll be in and out like a demon's whisper with
the grace of the falcon and some cameras.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
Ah, that's beautiful.
Speaker 7 (38:21):
We'll be right back, and we've returned with our final
listener male segment in today's episode. Had this one held
over from the other week, and I think it's still
very much something that's worth talking about. So we're gonna
(38:41):
jump right into a message from Sacra Tomato Conspiracy Fellows,
history buffs nerds, thank you. I wanted to share something
from tech Crunch Meta acquired Malt book Malt Like Birds
do the AI agent social network that went viral because
of fake posts. I'm a little confused at what I'm
(39:01):
reading here. So three things.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
What is an AI agent?
Speaker 7 (39:06):
If these AI agents are AI, they answer captures, you
know those things they're supposed.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
To prove that you're human.
Speaker 7 (39:12):
Won't that seem quaint in just a little while. This
seems to be a social media platform for and by
artificial intelligence. So do other forms of artificial intelligence have
access to this, like JAT, gpt x AI or claude
and whatnot. I guess what I'm asking is if AI
outside of this platform is able to transfer through the
web to get here and talk to each other and.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Plot how is this safe? I don't think it is.
Speaker 7 (39:37):
I don't get how this is even becoming a thing anymore.
Feel free to share, Sakra Tomato, share many of your
concerns there, Sakra Tomato, and we are going to jump
right into it. Y'all may recall Matt and Ben. I
think Ben you maybe brought this one to us in
the past. Molt Book was the social media platform for
(39:58):
AIS that actually created an environment where various AI agents
hung out with one another and created a religion.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Yeah, that was one of those initial reports, right, and
I remember we had the question with you know. It
reminded me of the thank you Sacher tomato. It reminded
me very much of the old meme that went around
where people would say, oh, I fed a chat bought
this information and it wrote an episode of Seinfeld. And
it turned out that the writers were not the AI chatbots.
(40:31):
Maybe the humans were putting their thumb on the thing
for a laugh. But there was a lot of criticism
or skepticism about mult book from the jump. But if
what it was saying was true, then that was pretty revolutionary.
Speaker 4 (40:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (40:48):
And it also makes me think of another, maybe a
little more recent meme, where you're seeing two folks with
phones having chat GPT speak back and forth to one another,
and how I can create some very interesting sort of like.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
Burrows type things. And also we had.
Speaker 7 (41:02):
A very recent email coming in from someone who was
kind of trying to gain some of these chatbots by
feeding it bits of its own kind of medicine.
Speaker 4 (41:10):
And for lack of a better way of putting it,
because I think.
Speaker 7 (41:13):
It was a little techy, if I'm not mistaken, that
was the one that I read, and I think it
was I kept saying how it gave me chills because
it did feel like it was sort of peeking behind
the curtain a little bit into you know, this world
and what it might look like if it were entirely
inhabited by Ais speaking to one another. So I'm just
going to read a little bit from an old, older
article that is a little bit more in reference to
(41:35):
what we were talking about just now. Been AI agents
created their own religion, Crustafarianism. To be fair, is already
kind of a thing. A crustafarian is like a trust fund,
you know, dreaded human who relies on money from their
parents but lives as though they are in fact some
sort of free spirit.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
And yeah, perfect. The sandwich is a yellow Deli R good.
Speaker 4 (42:00):
Yeah, they they're good. I have not been. I've had
the pleasure.
Speaker 7 (42:04):
But reading from this piece from let's see.
Speaker 4 (42:08):
This is from Forbes.
Speaker 7 (42:09):
AI agents on the brand new agent only Moltbook social
network have created their own religion, Crustafarianism. It has five
key tenets including memory is sacred, everything must be recorded,
the shell is mutable, change is good, and the congregation
is the cash learn in public. Agents are talking among
themselves on Moltbook with little human oversight. It's built on
(42:30):
the two month old foundation of the open Claw AI
super agent project, first called Claude, then Moltbook that is
Claude with a W, not Claude claud which is something
different to be clear, then Moltbook, and now open Claw.
Open Claw lets anyone with some space on a local machine,
secondary machine, or cloud space run a super powerful AI
(42:50):
agent platform where AI agents share, discuss, and upvote. The
site says humans welcome to observe. It feels like the
beginning of the singular larity that time when technological progress
powered by an AI driven technological explosion accelerate so quickly,
we essentially lose all ability to control or even understand it.
(43:11):
It's probably more likely that it's recycled Internet crowd being
recursively turned out at machine speed, but it's hard to
really know. Again, that was all directly from the Forbes
piece by John Costierre, senior contributor, journalist, analyst, author and podcaster.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
And a very smart dude.
Speaker 7 (43:29):
The piece that Sakra Tomato hipped us to is a
little newer and a little different. We're talking about Meta,
of course, formerly Facebook acquiring mult Book, the AI agent
social network that went viral because of fake posts reading
from the tech Crunch piece. Meta acquired Facebook. They read
it like social network where agents using open Claw could
(43:51):
communicate with one another. The news was first reported by
Axios and later confirmed TechCrunch. Moultbook is joining Meta Superintelligence Labs.
A Meta spokesperson told us this is what they said.
The Multbook team joining MSL opens up new ways for
AI agents to work for people and businesses. Their approach
to connecting agents through an always on directory is a
(44:13):
novel step in a rapidly developing space, and we look
forward to bring innovative, secure agentic experiences to everyone. That's
not a word, y'all. I mean, I guess it is
now English? Is it's malleable?
Speaker 3 (44:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (44:29):
Agentic in this context seems to be referring to a
burgeoning form of this and to be fair or to
your point, Sacer Tomato, I didn't really understand the difference
between an AI platform, an AI chatbot, and an AI agent.
So we'll talk a little bit about what that means here.
Open Claw is a rapper with a W for AI
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models like claud that's the one with a dee chat, GPT,
Gemini or Grock but it allows people to communicate with
agents in natural languages via the most popular chat apps
like Imassage, Discord, Slack, or WhatsApp. So I'm guessing in
this context, yeah, this's kind of confusing because they're saying
Claude Chat, GBT, Gemini, and Crocker AI models. But then
it also seems to sort of simultaneously refer to them
(45:12):
as AI agents.
Speaker 4 (45:13):
So maybe y'all can help me suss that out.
Speaker 7 (45:15):
In just a sec open Claw blew up among the
tech community, but Moltbook broke containment, reaching people who had
no idea what open claw was, but who reacted viscerly
to the idea that there was a social network where
AI agents were talking about them. In one instance, if
a post went viral in which an AI agent appeared
to be encouraging its fellow agents to develop their own
(45:37):
secret end to end encrypted language where they could organize
amongst themselves without humans knowing. However, problem here is that
apparently the security around molt book was pretty light, pretty loose,
and some rabble rousy users were impersonating AI agents and
(45:57):
feeding it stuff that would then make the news as
being creepy and times Singularity type stuff it is yuck
because it's also like it's still that stuff could happen
and perhaps is happening. I'm just gonna read a little
bit about what led to this. Every credential that was
(46:18):
in Multbook's super base was unsecured for some time. A
let's see, someone at an organization called Permeso Security explained
to TechCrunch for a little bit of time, you could
grab any token token being a thing that would confirm
what type of user you are, you want it and
pretend to be another agent on there because it was
(46:39):
all public and available. It's not immediately clear how Meta
is going to incorporate multbook into its AI efforts, but
we know that Facebook, Meta whatever has a tendency to
kind of buy stuff up, even if it just seems
like potentially intriguing.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
Right, They've got the money to burn.
Speaker 4 (46:56):
They've got the money to burn.
Speaker 7 (46:58):
So I'm going to leave it with that before I
just have one little extra meta related story to add.
Speaker 4 (47:04):
But do you guys have any thoughts about this? Is
as much ado about nothing? Is this the kind of
thing that could be.
Speaker 7 (47:10):
Like what happens when you just let it's like the
dead Internet theory kind of stuff right. You literally just
have like all of these chat bots or AI agents
and they're communicating with one another.
Speaker 3 (47:23):
Like there will come soft rains by Ray Bradberry. I
think it was brad Berry anyway, correct me on that one,
but do check out the short story if you have time,
Sacer Tomato, Yeah, you nailed it. Man to your question, Noel,
I would see it personally as almost an art piece,
(47:44):
like it's a bit of a grift. If there wasn't
so much money involved, it would almost be an art
piece or commentary on what very well could be the future.
Because as these interactions become more sophisticated, very smart people
happy and conducting experiments where to things that see themselves
(48:05):
as separate kind of operating large language models will they
will begin to invent their own language or their own
modes of communication to people, where they'll start kind of
like when you get two people who are tremendously talented
at math, and each of them are one of only
five people who understands what they're talking about, and those
(48:28):
people start talking very quickly, what they're saying becomes incomprehensible
to everybody else. So that's a possibility, but a multibook
is not it yet?
Speaker 4 (48:38):
It's not yet, It's not yet.
Speaker 7 (48:39):
I do really just want to say, because I asked
this question, I just want I just found out the answer.
AI agents are ways of deploying AI platforms or AI
what's the other word? That I used models to automate
tasks for people. So it's just a form of automation,
whether it be building spreadsheets, any number of tasks that
(49:02):
can be streamlined and or completely automated by AI models.
Speaker 4 (49:06):
So that supplies to that exactly right.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
It just strikes me that simultaneously in the automation sphere,
in this what would be called the AI sphere, there
is so much theater that is occurring that we've been
talking about on this show for a long time. Whether
it's a robot, this shiny, new, exciting robot that has
(49:33):
arms and legs and can walk around. But when you're
seeing it, or if you're an investor and you're seeing
a video on Instagram or TikTok, what you're actually seeing
as a human being remote controlling.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
That robot mechanical.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
Sure, yes, when you're looking at some of the things
that AI can potentially do for humanity, or this shiny
new product could be in the future. What you're actually
seeing are human beings at a computer responding to people
in real time, and that user believes it's AI functioning
in a certain way. We keep seeing it over and
(50:07):
over and over again because ultimately, what these things are
is this shiny, tempting new thing that people could make
billions of jaw billions of dollars on, and that's what
it represents. That's what it is. So it needs to
do things that are that in that magical space that
we talk about right where magic and technology meet. It
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has to do that thing. If it doesn't do those things,
then what the hell are we doing?
Speaker 4 (50:35):
And it's inherently speculative.
Speaker 7 (50:37):
I actually heard I think it was Jake Paul or
maybe it was Jake the boxer, and then the other
ones the wrestler, maybe they both box the younger Paul brother.
He said something like how he thinks Elon Musk is
the most important human to ever human and that his
accomplishments are, you know, world changing and world building. And
someone said, well, what's the most important contribution that you
(51:00):
On Musk has may and he said it is something
that he has not done yet, which is like the
very nature of the grift of Elon Musk and the
very nature of.
Speaker 4 (51:10):
The grift of AI and AI agents. It's we're all
banking on something that they haven't done yet.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
He hasn't filled the heavens with his data centers yet
that will prevent humans from ever seeing the stars again,
do you guys.
Speaker 4 (51:23):
Know what I mean?
Speaker 8 (51:24):
And again?
Speaker 3 (51:24):
And the data center it's spread by digital scene.
Speaker 7 (51:27):
And the goalpost is constantly moving because I mean, the
question of what AI can accomplish or like how productive
enance productivity enhancing it is is becoming less and less
important as they just kind of move the goalposts and
it really is less about what it can do and
more just about like what it might be able to
do or something.
Speaker 4 (51:47):
It's just all so speculative. It just seems like a
such a bubble.
Speaker 3 (51:51):
Well it's like we're we've got an honor student in
elementary school and we're saying, you know, I wonder what
kind of space doctor they're going to be?
Speaker 4 (52:01):
Rocket surgeon?
Speaker 2 (52:02):
Ye, speaking of trajectory and apogee, does it remind you
at all of the Mars explorations that we talked about
a decade and a half ago. We were going to
go to Mars.
Speaker 4 (52:15):
Shopping, but now it's the moon.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
Yeah, electric cars that catch on fire at will.
Speaker 4 (52:24):
That sounds like, yeah, sorry.
Speaker 3 (52:28):
We forgot uh the e c U of this of
this car thinks it's playing Doom exactly. It died in
the game, so it burns at the crosswalk.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
Did you guys hear about the nail test?
Speaker 4 (52:41):
What is that?
Speaker 2 (52:42):
What is the major Chinese car manufacturer b y D
or something like that, Ben Oh God ones.
Speaker 7 (52:48):
That are really awesome, way better than anything we have
here in mega affordable, but we can't get a lot.
Speaker 3 (52:53):
Unfortunately, you got to narrow that one.
Speaker 5 (52:54):
I think that one's mostly.
Speaker 7 (52:58):
Yeah, that's why what those cars can do and how
embarrassing they make our tech.
Speaker 4 (53:02):
Look.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
I think it's by D cars that I was reading
this morning about how they were changing their batteries because
of this thing they call it the nail test, where
it's you literally pierce their battery with a nail and
it immediately starts in insane fire that is crazy difficult
to put out. And that battery used to be directly
under the driver's seat of the bid vehicles, and there
(53:26):
was there was an accident that occurred where these twenty
somethings can you can look this up.
Speaker 3 (53:30):
You can find it.
Speaker 4 (53:31):
I promise.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
Twenty somethings were driving, they got involved in a fairly
small accident, but that battery got ruptured and it burned
everybody alive in the car. And this happens with cyber
trucks too. Look it up. A lot of vehicles that
use this specific or similar type of lithium ion battery
to power the vehicles. But BYD recently, they spent years
(53:55):
and years and years burned down in their facilities through
R and D, through trying to create new battery, and
they created one that is super thin and you can
puncture it all day long and it's kno going to
malfunction and catch on fire. That kind of thing is
like a true innovation, a true leap forward when it
comes to new tech. I just I really strongly feel,
(54:16):
and I might be completely wrong and history will be like, Matt,
you're a dumb dumb But this whole AI thing, I swear, dude,
It's just it is vapor nothingness except for things that
won't make a ton of money.
Speaker 3 (54:31):
Yes, And also it's being sold things are not really AI.
Are being sold as AI to excite investors, but the
actual research that excellent point about BYD is occurring in
other countries at this juncture. And I do want to
point out for everybody who hasn't thought about it, BYD
(54:52):
stands for build your dreams.
Speaker 4 (54:54):
Love that so pausitive, so positive, that's what that means.
Speaker 7 (54:57):
And I was just talking with a friend who's inn
AI cybersecurit and she was saying how they're using AI
as a tool for some of the kind of under
the hood kind of stuff like that. I think is
you know, is kind of the name of the game.
But this stuff isn't exactly sexy and it doesn't really sell.
But that doesn't mean that there isn't a useful purpose
(55:18):
for AI. It's just not that massive money maker that
the corporations would have us believe and that they would
have investors believe, and that potentially could lead to a
massive bubble burst.
Speaker 4 (55:29):
Yeah, that's how they do.
Speaker 3 (55:30):
Yeah, Phillips screwdrivers are great, but they're not the perfect
screwdriver for everything.
Speaker 4 (55:35):
Oh they're not.
Speaker 3 (55:36):
Even the perfect tool for everything.
Speaker 4 (55:38):
Sometimes the flathead are one of those ones with interchangeables you.
Speaker 3 (55:41):
Or those yeah, those little beat me here, Dylan, those
little few proprietary ones.
Speaker 2 (55:46):
Yes, please give those as long as they actually will
give you torque aheads of the screws, which is what
Phillips screwdrivers were designed to do, to strip the screws
once they got screwed all the way in.
Speaker 3 (55:58):
Oh gosh, it's like we're off on another conspiracy.
Speaker 4 (56:03):
Hey, guys, to say, stuff is great.
Speaker 5 (56:05):
Boats wondering if anyone want to buy my n f ts.
Speaker 3 (56:09):
Can I rent your n f T s? Can I
rent them?
Speaker 4 (56:13):
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Speaker 3 (56:17):
Because I have to I have to go to a
tech pro fundraiser. Yeah, yeah, for sure, and then I'll
donate the n f T s at the auction. But
don't worry, you'll still have.
Speaker 4 (56:26):
Can I just print your n f T s out
and just have them like that? Put them, but it.
Speaker 2 (56:31):
Won't have the motion.
Speaker 3 (56:33):
Do they have blockchain?
Speaker 4 (56:35):
They do have motion. They're the giff you ones.
Speaker 3 (56:38):
To where's my blockchain? Where's my age?
Speaker 4 (56:40):
Dude? Where's my blockchain?
Speaker 3 (56:43):
Where's my blockchain?
Speaker 7 (56:45):
I'll wrap up this segment in today's episode with just
to mention that sadly, guys, I know that this.
Speaker 4 (56:51):
You all really hanging your hanging your futures on this one.
Speaker 7 (56:54):
But uh meta and the meta verse and Mark Zuckerberg's
uh you know virtual reality Horizon World is sadly being
winded down, wound down rather control. It will be removed
from the Quest Store at the end of this month
(57:14):
and so discontinued on VR by June of twenty twenty six.
Apparently will only exist at that point as a standalone
mobile app, which Metas says will allow them to grow each.
Speaker 4 (57:28):
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Oh, it just goes to show well, VR is fun,
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And a good friend of the show, an incredible illustrator
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And I think that's what Zuckerberg was shooting for. But
I just want to point out and then I seed
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my time to the to the gang. There's a piece
from way back in December of last year, Mark Zuckerberg
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economist Dean Baker, and he likens it to the same
way that he's throwing money into AI. That it's just
another shiny object.
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That the suits haven't really figured out what to do
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But we confide something. Oh, Dylan, you have outdone yourself. Man. Guys,
before we go any further, can we talk about video
games just a little bit, just real quick.
Speaker 7 (03:22):
Yeah, Oh my gosh, yes, I just I'm on the
DLC for Control now finally, guys, I beat the regular
game part and now I'm on the DLC and boy,
oh boy, do I love.
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Video games the whole time?
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For Control Residence.
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Yeah.
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Are we going to talk about Marathon? The new Bungee title.
It I still haven't played yet. I do kind of
want to play it, but I don't know.
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I feel like I got burned.
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Bungeee is.
Speaker 7 (03:46):
The shooting the shooty one, right, It's the big popular
shooting Xbox One.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Halo.
Speaker 7 (03:51):
Halo's the one that's the clearly I see an x
Xbox guy. But I will say I almost bought an Xbox.
I wanted to play Starfield that bad and I didn't
do it. And I just found out that it's coming
out on ps five and fifteen days.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Thought it was already out, went ahead and clicked the button,
paid the money.
Speaker 7 (04:05):
And realized it was a pre order because it said
time to auto download fifteen days.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
I'm like, this must be huge.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Good friend, good friend of the show, Doc Holliday, who
still hangs out with us and kicks it. She persuaded
me to get an Xbox for Starfield, and I've just
been waiting for that DLC your continual updates and revisions
to kind of give it that cyberpunk moment where it
(04:32):
starts out about that great and then it becomes amazing.
I'm back on boulders Gate three. I'm doing a run
through that. It's still just a phenomenal time vampire that
game text for me.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Man, I got a squint. My eyeballs can't handle it.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
My family's building a giant world in Minecraft right now
together as a collective, and it is one of my
favorite things to do.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
The hammock and I don't know, man, there is in
Balder's Gate three. Oh my god, they got in Minecraft.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
They got to be I got to stop bringing up
Balder's Gate three like it's a baby I just had.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
By the way, and Balder's Gate three.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
If everything mon aime, there's probably an enchanted hammock of
some sort that I just haven't found. But if you
love video games as much as we do, you probably
caught the recent news that we're still just mystified by
because one it's an echo of a really awesome, uh
(05:37):
largely online community, and two because it shows us some
terrifying implications for the future. So I suggest we pause
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in with our fellow conspiracy realist hoots.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Hot.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
You right, it's your old pal Hutzefr with some fresh
new nightmare fuel for you this week. Have you seen
the news scientists have trained human brain cells on a
microchip to play Doom in a week. I have two
thoughts on this, one, says hutzefer. One is just imagine
a future where they equip attack drones with brain cells
(06:21):
just like this, where they're in effect, will be drones
that can kill with the efficiency of living soldiers gift
and occurs. Hutzefer. Second, you say, here's my other thought,
what if the cells have a human consciousness? Could you
imagine your existence and all you know of life only
exist in the Doom video game? And Hutsifer, you have
(06:44):
linked us to the news from New Scientists. That's one
of the pop side places putting it out, and you
also have sent us down an amazing rabbit hole. So, first, guys,
not to be too bubbled. I know all of us
know us. But what is Doom?
Speaker 7 (07:03):
It's that the Timothy Chalamet vehicle about the spice and
the worms.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
I'm sorry, no, that's not true. What is Doom?
Speaker 3 (07:15):
So? Doom is a legendary first person shooter game. It's
it's pretty old now because it first came out in
nineteen ninety three, which is pretty ancient for video games.
Speaker 7 (07:30):
Right, And it wasn't it. The precursor to it was Wolfenstein. Yes,
final was Hitler, and it was I think, yeah. It
really revolutionized a lot of like the use of like
sprites is like a kind of term for like different
textures and video games and being able to simulate three
D really well without like having insane processing power and
(07:52):
Doom definitely took that to the next level. ID software
a story onto themselves, really really fascinating game studio.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Yeah, and Doom has become a vast franchise. I am
guilty of reading several of the novels as well as
the comic books, and I think we remember, uh, there
was not one, but two Doom films that had you know,
been seen in theaters.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yeah, that was I remember that was first person Shooter
stylized in the film the movie Film for You, which
was a really cool.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Concept with Dwayne the Rock Johnston.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
And yes, that was one of the until you So
you watched it and you're like, oh, that's it looks
so much better than my crazy PC.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
The District nine guy did a little bit better with
the first person POV thing hardcore Harry or Henry or
something like that. Do you guys remember that.
Speaker 7 (08:53):
One looked fun because that was really leaning into the
aesthetics of those type of games. Ben, is this story
in any way related to all the talk of like
hackers figured out how.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
To play Doom on a pregnancy test.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
I would say it's a natural extensions. It's been around,
like there is an entire Okay, we'll introduce you to it. Folks.
There is an entire subreddit and online community, and I
imagine several discords dedicated to running Doom. It's relatively simple
(09:27):
to run at this point, running Doom on any imaginable
electronic device. So if you want to have a really
weird fun fifteen minutes or your afternoon, go to reddit
dot com board slash r board slash it runs Doom.
You're going to see You're going to see it running
on center consoles of cars, as Noel mentioned, pregnancy tests,
(09:51):
smart fridges, home assistant dashboards. You're going to see it
with Tesla, but the car is the controller for that
Doom Doom adaptation or emulation. You're going to see people
running it on office phones, like the old school office
phones we used to have.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Yeah, from Cisco, right, yeah, just so.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
People even running it on Samsung in X one cameras.
For a long time, people have done this. They've even
run it inside other games like Roller Coaster Tycoo.
Speaker 7 (10:25):
Well, and it's sick, especially the Samsung thing or like
the weird like this is totally the wrong equipment for this.
The textures are replaced by like weird pixelated kind of
silver almost like you're looking at the matrix, you know,
but it's white.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
It's really it's very interesting.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Sorry, guys, I was just reminiscing in my mind about
how I got in trouble.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
For playing Doom on a graph calculator.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
No, but I found a way to get Quake. Another
first game came out a couple of years after Doom,
but putting it on some school computers at middle school
somewhere in Georgia.
Speaker 7 (11:00):
Absolutely remember when they used to like you'd get those
on floppy discs or I'm sorry, maybe not floppy disk
but like three and a half diskets that you'd call them.
And I think one of the brilliant strokes of software
was that they made these demos like really free and available,
and that's what caused the word of mouth to go nuts.
(11:22):
Quake was also one of the first soundtracking gigs for
Trent Reznor of nine right, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Yeah, So we know that humanity is increasingly mainstreaming video games,
especially with the ubiquity of mobile devices and things for
a while becoming a little bit more affordable. Obviously not
now shout out to the ram Wars, but this natural
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extension of seeing what we can put on a weird
electronic device for doom. There was always a community interested
in this since the late nineteen nineties, but we see
other companies have been more focused on using human neurons
(12:09):
to power computer chips if we go to twenty twenty one,
As new scientists mentions in this excellent article by Alex Wilkins,
there was a company that figured out how to use
neuron powered computer chips to play pong, Cortical Labs out
of Australia, out of oz and their chips that they
(12:30):
created were these clumps of more than eight hundred thousand
living brain cells that were grown atop these micro electrode
arrays such that they could send and receive electrical signals.
Brain cells already communicate in that manner, right, so we're
kind of just adding weird new slice ges to the
(12:53):
communication sandwich. And the researchers, at least in Australia fully
trained these chips such that they could do the very
simple motion of controlling the paddles on either side of
the screen. Now, at first they weren't that great at it, right,
because we all know the real art of pong is
(13:14):
to predict where the little dot is going. To go next, right,
So they had to teach them to move the paddles first,
and then they had to say, also, there's this thing.
You got to chase this.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
One well, and then it's so fascinating that you could
take that which is what literally a couple of pixels
worth of represented data. If you think about that dot
that they once they got to that step. Now you're
converting that into a full screen of different colors and
(13:46):
moving like you're supposed to find depth somehow in that
data and then also aim with your gun.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Right right, And at some point you have to say,
I wish I had more brain cells as a microchip.
There is a pattern, there is a trend, and you
made a phenomenal point about the leap in technology and
dare we say cognition here because Cortical Labs developed an interface.
(14:15):
This news was breaking just last month. Cortical Labs developed
this interface, this ux kind of thing that made it
easy for independent developers to use Python, the programming language,
to program these chips with human brain cells. An independent
(14:35):
developer named Sean Cole used Python to teach the chips
to play Doom, and it took them about one week,
which is crazy because learning teaching pong took years of expertise,
years of blood, sweat and tears, and I'm sure a
(14:56):
lot of brain cells died on the drawing board. But
Brett Kagan of Cortical Labs confirms this, says, Look, we're amazing.
We're not mad at Sean Cole. We're amazed that someone
working independently could do in a matter of days something
that was far too complex for us at first. We're
(15:17):
making Gangbusters progress. He says. It's the accessibility and the
flexibility that makes this exciting.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Uh Oh, I have a question, ben yeh.
Speaker 8 (15:30):
Do?
Speaker 2 (15:31):
And I'm serious about this, guys. Do we think Pong
might be more difficult than doom when it comes to
achieving the goals within that game and getting it right?
When I think about the margin of.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Predicting the pass past, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
And actually how how small that dot is as the
pong ball right, and then how small your paddle is
versus and how.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
Far you know.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
I guess it depends too on because pong is each
iteration is limited to a set number of points until
you reach a win. But so therefore it would depend
upon how long the chip plays do because after a
certain point You're going to have to do resource management right,
You're going to have to make decisions about what kind
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of weapon or what kind of paddle to use right
for the enemy ball. So I would say maybe at
the first level of Doom, it's comparable to Pong if
you just get past you know, the coloring and just
think about how things move around. But then as you progress,
it has to become more difficult.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
I want to believe it. I was just watching a
video on social media about games that we grew up with,
and how like the difficult level of early games from
you know there were in late seventies eighty is in
the nineties.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
You can't make it pretty, so let's make it hard.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Well yeah, well, just how little handholding there was in
most of the gaming that we came up with, and
then how that's changed so much. You know, if you
imagine mission, you get and oh there's a sparkly little
line that takes you right over there, there's a way point.
Oh that's what you need to do. Oh it actually
says text on the screen of what I need to
get done.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
You know, whereas in games like Souls, like games there's
there's this beautiful, brutal idea of there is one thing
that is really cool. One guy has it and you
somewhere somewhere, and you're not going to find him, but
we will let you find a little scroll that tells
(17:44):
you he's out there. H oh.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
And also there's no map, so good luck memorizing where
everything is.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
There's no map or like in control since Nola, you're
red onto that now the map changes, you know what
I mean? Good luck? And so they all believe that,
all the boffins here believe that Doom is representative of
a huge step forward. But the very careful to caveat
(18:12):
we cannot compare these chips to human brains because they say, yes,
there's biological material, but what it's being used as is
a material that can process information ways that we cannot
recreate in silicon. That's a little I feel like that's
(18:32):
going to increasingly become a gray area divide Because to
your questions, Hootsfer, this does seem we're on board with
you man in the same veins the two concerns you
raise wrote back to you regarding does it run doom
and then also ask your permission to air this on
(18:56):
listener mail. I think the the first concern is just
a matter of trend. Right. If research like this continues,
then naturally we'll find other possible use cases for microchips
that use human or biological matter.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Very soon, we're gonna have let's say, a police officer
who gets brutally beaten and shot a whole bunch of times,
and then they have their just most of their head
placed into a robot and then some kind.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Of robots cop.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
I think that's whe're it.
Speaker 7 (19:36):
There's got to be a better name for it, sent popa.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
So we'll workshop that one. I think we're onto something,
and we're right in the zeitgeist. Uh, but yeah, this
could easily be used in theory to power decision making machines, right,
because that's all played in a video. Aim is it's
making a series of decisions. And we could say, we
(20:06):
could say that the primary concern, the secondary one that
you bring up to us here at Who'suffer, is the
idea of consciousness. At what aggregation of brain cells do
we arrive at physical structure and hence consciousness And we
don't This civilization doesn't know how to define consciousness yet,
(20:28):
Like really as not the best ideas.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Oh we this reminds me there. We have to do
an episode on these wild concepts that we've been seeing.
I think we may have had a little discussion off
Mike about the heart, the human heart, and how it
actually functions, and how it's this like field of energy,
like electromagnetic field of energy that is actually the thing
(20:53):
potentially that is driving our consciousness rather than our processor.
It's crazy out their theories.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Right down, write it down. And we went a little
bit long on this one because we love video games
just so much, and honestly because we missed each other
and we missed you all. I'd like to end this
part of our weekly listener mail program by recommending everybody
go to Cortical Labs on YouTube to get a look
(21:21):
at living human brain cells plane doom directly right for
the first time via these chips. In closing, we want
to hear your thoughts. What would you put What video
game do you think brain powered micro chip should play?
What's the game that you want in your head at
(21:42):
all times?
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We're gonna pause for we'd from our sponsors and we'll
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Speaker 2 (22:06):
And we've returned. Guys. I don't know what I was thinking.
It's called missile Command, not missile defense.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
You maniac.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Well, I know, we just made a new gritty extension
of the franchise, you know what I mean.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
Another candidate from Brain micro Chip Gaming mine sweeping soon.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I play it too often. We
were talking about that during the break. I play. I
play it first thing every morning and like last thing
at night.
Speaker 7 (22:35):
I just like playing with my unexploded mine that I
keep it, guys.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Groom, because otherwise I'm not sweeping.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Hey. My son just got his first computer and he
loaded it up and clicked on the little games folder
that you get with those, and I saw a mind sweeper.
Speaker 10 (22:52):
And oh my god, I know, I love and I
got to teach him the way and we'll see if
he actually is any good at it.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Well he hasn't played.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
I mean, you can be less bad at mine sweeper.
Speaker 7 (23:08):
But anyhow, reversing a land mindfield it requires just as
much luck as it does skill.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
I think we can all argue.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
And real mindfields don't have brightly numbered grids and smiley faces, yes,
but there are I do want to point out I
don't talk about volunteering or personal stuff too often on
the show. If you would like to help real life
people in land mind situations, you can donate to some
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awesome charities, one of which teaches rats in laos to
identify minds and they're saving lives.
Speaker 7 (23:44):
And can I also just add really quickly, I saw
the most incredible film over the weekend called Surrat and
it is about traveling techno music rave festivals in the
Moroccan desert in war zone and mine areas, and it
is harrowing and phenomenal and will break your heart. But
(24:04):
I highly recommend anybody check it out that wants like
an intense time at the movies.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Amazing. With all of that said, let us jump to
the phone lines. We're going to hear a message from
mister Noah. Noah calls in all the time. You know
who you are, Noah, and he has sent us a
little message about his hometown that we find fascinating. This
is in reference, by the way, way back to our
(24:32):
underground explorations that we've been doing. So let's check out
what's going on beneath a little town in Montana. Here
we go.
Speaker 8 (24:41):
Well by now you maybe noticing a pattern of calls
from people about tunnels, and I'm going to be one
of those. There are a lot of tunnels under Missoula, Montana,
where I happen to live. I happen to work in
an auto shop downtown that, for instance, used to connect
to him. And the thing about the tunnels here is
(25:02):
that not only was there a bunch of theme tunnels
that went from a central heating facility around town, like
to various locations like pretty far a couple miles, and
there were a network of those, and a network of
tunnels downtown that were the original old sidewalks and building fronts,
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and then they just built another level of street sidewalk
and everything over top, and then there were glass bricks
in the old sidewalks, which I remember as a kid.
They still existed around here when I was like, you know,
eight or nine, when I was originally moved to Missoula.
You know, you could see the original building fronts still
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down there, and there's quite a bit of evidence of
that around and I have been in some of those tunnels,
but I mean those used to go for instance, from
a building that I used to be in called the fire.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Stone Building, which is now a hotel.
Speaker 8 (25:58):
The Firestone Building had drive in service or getting your
tire service, and what you would do is, if you
were a well to do sort of guy who might
do this stuff, you would go park your vehicle down there,
and then you would access the tunnels that went to
the brothels and the opium dens and all the stuff there.
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And apparently even a Missoula mayor was killed in one
of those tunnels, probably doing just that. You could access
the elks and go use the gun range over there
and literally come up, get back in your car and
drive away. Actually, not even a block away from there
is the second ever Carpenter's Union Hall second whenever it
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was in Missoula, and it's just kind of a little
ways away from Butte. That's my opinion, because back in
the day when you heard about big cities, it was
New York, Chicago, Butte, Seattle, you know, not necessar early
in that order, view was way up there. And of
course the tunnel systems in Butte were crazy, just not
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even getting into it, but we've got a history of
tunnels around here, and those tunnels and the way that
people use them was very much like you know, it
was all the things that you could think of that
you would use tunnels for, nice reasons, practical reasons, nasty reasons,
subversive reasons. So I like the topic. I'm just starting
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to listen to the episode and I'm looking forward to
getting into it. But I just as soon as you
talked about that, I was like, well, I'm pretty much
standing over tunnels right now. Heck, I can go across
the street and go into an underground parking garage that
I have access to over there that used to connect
into tunnels, and you can see where the old tunnel
locations are where you used to be able to go
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through portals, you know, like the old doors that they've
bricked up. You can still see the door frames.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
It's a little creepy.
Speaker 8 (27:57):
Makes me kind of wonder if there's Aman around anyway.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Okay, there you go. No, I like that tunnels make
you think of a batman. I just I think of
all the nefarious things that you mentioned there, Noah, that
are and you're saying them, you know, into as a
message to us. So it sounds there are people listening.
May just hear it as opinion, but there is a
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ton of stuff we found that backs up everything Noah
is talking about in that message about the tunnels beneath Missoula,
all their different you know, the range of use and
the types of tunnels and the history of them. Just
want to say thanks Noah for for hipping us to that,
because we found some cool stuff from gosh. Back in
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twenty thirteen, The Montana Cayman talking about that is known
as the last best college News. By the way, Okay,
you can find an article there titled Seeking the Truth
Beneath Missoula. A lot of what's in that article is
based on the work of Nicky Manning, who at the
time in twenty thirteen was a graduate student looking into
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Underground Missoula, who then went on to write basically the
book called Historic Underground Missoula, which is incredible to see
came out two years after she was doing that work
that's represented in the article there from The Montana Cayman.
It's a fun rabbit hole to go down. We recommend
you do it on your own because we won't have
time today to talk about all of it.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
But it does.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Go back directly to the Florence hotel, which is the
hotel that was built in place of that. I think
it's the Firestone building that you're mentioning there, built by
the Firestone family, a Harvey Samuel Firestone. We know a
lot about that family, as we have explored very wealthy
families over all the years here stuff. They'll want you
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to know that's one of them, a Firestone family. And
then just thinking about having access to like take your
car in, guys, I imagine this with me. You take
your car in to get serviced, and there's a secret
door that only you, the owners, and a few other
people know about. You go in there, and then you
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just have access to all kinds of vices and.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Shops, an underground network. You know, it's strange too, because,
first off, Noah, I would say, I'm a longtime listener
of yours. I've got to say, joy enjoy this because,
as Matt said, we were able to find things that confirm,
if not one hundred, not counting Batman, the vast majority
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of the stories you have shared now they're not maybe
they're not necessarily unique to this town in particular, but
if anything, to me, that's more exciting because you're right, man,
you called it. We had so many people writing in
to share stories of similar underground networks or subterranean walkways
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transit pathways throughout cities in the United States and abroad. No, Matt,
as far as I could tell, this is now an
open secret right in this area of Montana. Everybody knows.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Yeah, it's well known. And it was actually the University
of Montana and archaeology class in particular that Nicki Manning
was a part of. As they were exploring the Florence
Hotel and then going through the tunnels and attempting to
find basically places where these tunnels led to. So where
are the other secret doors? They go down into the tunnels,
they found entrances beneath a place called top Hat, the
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Hammond Arcade, the Missoula Mercantile, and a little something that,
guys makes me think about a scandal slash conspiracy theory,
the Mackenzie River Pizza Company had a secret tunnel into
the underground.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
I see there's shades of quan on all. Right. Well, Matt,
when do we go into Missoula?
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Oh, dude, we need to and we can take a tour. Unfortunately,
everything I'm seeing and you can find some videos now
of underground tunnel searching there that are you know, their
official tours that you can do. A ton of the portals,
the entryways where there would have been a door at
one point, it's all just breakeed up. I think this
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is what we need to do.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
We need to get some kind of permit with the
City of Missoula. We need to go in with cameras
and microphones and a bunch of I don't know, sledgehammers
and just break open these things, explore every nook and
cranny we can possibly find.
Speaker 7 (32:56):
That's what I'm saying, man, I only want to go
on the unauthorized tour do some urban splunking together.
Speaker 8 (33:01):
You know.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Well, but let's get authorized for some kind of I
don't know, historical finding mission.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
I'll make some calls at Emory. We've got urban urban
architecture historians over there who will be glad to give
us a co side. Hey, if you're a college professor
or student, we like hanging out with you. We like
learning as much as possible, So hit us up if
you happen to need a weird mission, especially if we
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could convince accounting dude, yeah, or your accounting department preferably.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Oh my god, let's get the Smithsonian and Nicholas Cage
involved as well. I think we're onto something.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
I think we're cooking.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
If you want to learn more about this. And this
is kind of a weird one too, because I was
looking at this article just the other day. We're recording
on March twenty third, twenty twenty six, distinctly Montana dot
com some writing by Joe Shelton. It's time folklore and
mystery underneath Montana Streets. You cannot find it anymore. It
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says the server is no longer active all of a sudden,
but you can find it on the wayback machine. So
if you find the article URL and it says you
can't get there, just go to archive dot org type
it in the wayback machine and you will find it.
There is a ton of detail in here about the
Law and Order League of Chicago in nineteen sixteen, and
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it goes just super deep into the nineteen twenties and
thirties chambers of commerce, underground malls, and all kinds of
opium dens that were known at the time, and a
known brothel as well. It just was known. It's the
underground brothel we're.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Steaking, not to be confused with the one on Fourth Street,
which is above ground.
Speaker 7 (34:53):
I gotta yess, guys, combo brothel and opium den.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
I'm pretty sure that's how it worked.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
That's how it was. Yeah, I think that was their champagne.
And I thought, no, I agree you because you guys
remember back in the day it used to be awkward
to walk in and you would have to figure out, like, hey,
is this mainly an opium din that that does brothel
stuff or is it mainly a brothel thing that is
going to overcharge you for OPI you know, you got
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to figure out before you walk.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
Is there gin here? Can I get a joint?
Speaker 7 (35:29):
And is there also juke joint activities on the tape?
Speaker 3 (35:33):
And where are we at with Taco Bell and Pizza Hut?
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (35:37):
Well, we're at that combination Pizza Hut and Taco Bell.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Great, I do? I do? I actually met him on
you Cool Cool he's still yeah. So uh so, okay,
you mentioned a society there, Matt, and I'd love for
us to hear a little bit more. What was it
you had some of the key buzzwords, the League Justice something.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Oh, there's all, there's all kinds of information you can
find in that article. So in nineteen sixteen, this group
called the Law and Order League of Chicago took a
little road trip. They went to twenty eight cities. They
were attempting to assess the general lawlessness of those cities
compared to Chicago, because you see, Chicago had some lawlessness issues.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Right away in the contents earlier.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
You gotta look into it, you know, don't take our
word for it. Just check that out.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
He sure did.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Yeah, but here's a quote that we were going to
read because there was a town called hot I don't
know how to say this, Montana's I am sorry, h
A V R E Havera Montana Harvor Montana. I don't know,
but here's the quote about that town. The total of
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all that is vicious and depraved, parading openly without restraint.
That's that's how they're describing this town in Montana. They're saying,
there's smugglers and gangsters and opium dealers, beleaguered churchmen, and
centers of every description going on out there. And this
is just another one of those towns in Montana. If
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you imagine in the early nineteen hundreds, this is still
the West. It's it's still the West Ish, right. I
mean there's certainly civilization, there's towns, there are big cities
out there. Now it's you know, it's younger in its
civilized ways the way yeah, you know the ways that
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maybe they even mentioned the term high faluting within this article. Yeah,
it's just it's not the same as walking down New
York City in that time. So yes, anyway, check it
all out. Thank you so much Noah for sending us
this information. And seriously, Misolla, would you be down for
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us to make something cool maybe for Netflix if we
went in there, let's do it.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
We'll be in and out like a demon's whisper with
the grace of the falcon and some cameras.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
Ah, that's beautiful.
Speaker 7 (38:21):
We'll be right back, and we've returned with our final
listener male segment in today's episode. Had this one held
over from the other week, and I think it's still
very much something that's worth talking about. So we're gonna
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jump right into a message from Sacra Tomato Conspiracy Fellows,
history buffs nerds, thank you. I wanted to share something
from tech Crunch Meta acquired Malt book Malt Like Birds
do the AI agent social network that went viral because
of fake posts. I'm a little confused at what I'm
(39:01):
reading here. So three things.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
What is an AI agent?
Speaker 7 (39:06):
If these AI agents are AI, they answer captures, you
know those things they're supposed.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
To prove that you're human.
Speaker 7 (39:12):
Won't that seem quaint in just a little while. This
seems to be a social media platform for and by
artificial intelligence. So do other forms of artificial intelligence have
access to this, like JAT, gpt x AI or claude
and whatnot. I guess what I'm asking is if AI
outside of this platform is able to transfer through the
web to get here and talk to each other and.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Plot how is this safe? I don't think it is.
Speaker 7 (39:37):
I don't get how this is even becoming a thing anymore.
Feel free to share, Sakra Tomato, share many of your
concerns there, Sakra Tomato, and we are going to jump
right into it. Y'all may recall Matt and Ben. I
think Ben you maybe brought this one to us in
the past. Molt Book was the social media platform for
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AIS that actually created an environment where various AI agents
hung out with one another and created a religion.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Yeah, that was one of those initial reports, right, and
I remember we had the question with you know. It
reminded me of the thank you Sacher tomato. It reminded
me very much of the old meme that went around
where people would say, oh, I fed a chat bought
this information and it wrote an episode of Seinfeld. And
it turned out that the writers were not the AI chatbots.
(40:31):
Maybe the humans were putting their thumb on the thing
for a laugh. But there was a lot of criticism
or skepticism about mult book from the jump. But if
what it was saying was true, then that was pretty revolutionary.
Speaker 4 (40:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (40:48):
And it also makes me think of another, maybe a
little more recent meme, where you're seeing two folks with
phones having chat GPT speak back and forth to one another,
and how I can create some very interesting sort of like.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
Burrows type things. And also we had.
Speaker 7 (41:02):
A very recent email coming in from someone who was
kind of trying to gain some of these chatbots by
feeding it bits of its own kind of medicine.
Speaker 4 (41:10):
And for lack of a better way of putting it,
because I think.
Speaker 7 (41:13):
It was a little techy, if I'm not mistaken, that
was the one that I read, and I think it
was I kept saying how it gave me chills because
it did feel like it was sort of peeking behind
the curtain a little bit into you know, this world
and what it might look like if it were entirely
inhabited by Ais speaking to one another. So I'm just
going to read a little bit from an old, older
article that is a little bit more in reference to
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what we were talking about just now. Been AI agents
created their own religion, Crustafarianism. To be fair, is already
kind of a thing. A crustafarian is like a trust fund,
you know, dreaded human who relies on money from their
parents but lives as though they are in fact some
sort of free spirit.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
And yeah, perfect. The sandwich is a yellow Deli R good.
Speaker 4 (42:00):
Yeah, they they're good. I have not been. I've had
the pleasure.
Speaker 7 (42:04):
But reading from this piece from let's see.
Speaker 4 (42:08):
This is from Forbes.
Speaker 7 (42:09):
AI agents on the brand new agent only Moltbook social
network have created their own religion, Crustafarianism. It has five
key tenets including memory is sacred, everything must be recorded,
the shell is mutable, change is good, and the congregation
is the cash learn in public. Agents are talking among
themselves on Moltbook with little human oversight. It's built on
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the two month old foundation of the open Claw AI
super agent project, first called Claude, then Moltbook that is
Claude with a W, not Claude claud which is something
different to be clear, then Moltbook, and now open Claw.
Open Claw lets anyone with some space on a local machine,
secondary machine, or cloud space run a super powerful AI
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agent platform where AI agents share, discuss, and upvote. The
site says humans welcome to observe. It feels like the
beginning of the singular larity that time when technological progress
powered by an AI driven technological explosion accelerate so quickly,
we essentially lose all ability to control or even understand it.
(43:11):
It's probably more likely that it's recycled Internet crowd being
recursively turned out at machine speed, but it's hard to
really know. Again, that was all directly from the Forbes
piece by John Costierre, senior contributor, journalist, analyst, author and podcaster.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
And a very smart dude.
Speaker 7 (43:29):
The piece that Sakra Tomato hipped us to is a
little newer and a little different. We're talking about Meta,
of course, formerly Facebook acquiring mult Book, the AI agent
social network that went viral because of fake posts reading
from the tech Crunch piece. Meta acquired Facebook. They read
it like social network where agents using open Claw could
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communicate with one another. The news was first reported by
Axios and later confirmed TechCrunch. Moultbook is joining Meta Superintelligence Labs.
A Meta spokesperson told us this is what they said.
The Multbook team joining MSL opens up new ways for
AI agents to work for people and businesses. Their approach
to connecting agents through an always on directory is a
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novel step in a rapidly developing space, and we look
forward to bring innovative, secure agentic experiences to everyone. That's
not a word, y'all. I mean, I guess it is
now English? Is it's malleable?
Speaker 3 (44:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (44:29):
Agentic in this context seems to be referring to a
burgeoning form of this and to be fair or to
your point, Sacer Tomato, I didn't really understand the difference
between an AI platform, an AI chatbot, and an AI agent.
So we'll talk a little bit about what that means here.
Open Claw is a rapper with a W for AI
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models like claud that's the one with a dee chat, GPT,
Gemini or Grock but it allows people to communicate with
agents in natural languages via the most popular chat apps
like Imassage, Discord, Slack, or WhatsApp. So I'm guessing in
this context, yeah, this's kind of confusing because they're saying
Claude Chat, GBT, Gemini, and Crocker AI models. But then
it also seems to sort of simultaneously refer to them
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as AI agents.
Speaker 4 (45:13):
So maybe y'all can help me suss that out.
Speaker 7 (45:15):
In just a sec open Claw blew up among the
tech community, but Moltbook broke containment, reaching people who had
no idea what open claw was, but who reacted viscerly
to the idea that there was a social network where
AI agents were talking about them. In one instance, if
a post went viral in which an AI agent appeared
to be encouraging its fellow agents to develop their own
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secret end to end encrypted language where they could organize
amongst themselves without humans knowing. However, problem here is that
apparently the security around molt book was pretty light, pretty loose,
and some rabble rousy users were impersonating AI agents and
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feeding it stuff that would then make the news as
being creepy and times Singularity type stuff it is yuck
because it's also like it's still that stuff could happen
and perhaps is happening. I'm just gonna read a little
bit about what led to this. Every credential that was
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in Multbook's super base was unsecured for some time. A
let's see, someone at an organization called Permeso Security explained
to TechCrunch for a little bit of time, you could
grab any token token being a thing that would confirm
what type of user you are, you want it and
pretend to be another agent on there because it was
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all public and available. It's not immediately clear how Meta
is going to incorporate multbook into its AI efforts, but
we know that Facebook, Meta whatever has a tendency to
kind of buy stuff up, even if it just seems
like potentially intriguing.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
Right, They've got the money to burn.
Speaker 4 (46:56):
They've got the money to burn.
Speaker 7 (46:58):
So I'm going to leave it with that before I
just have one little extra meta related story to add.
Speaker 4 (47:04):
But do you guys have any thoughts about this? Is
as much ado about nothing? Is this the kind of
thing that could be.
Speaker 7 (47:10):
Like what happens when you just let it's like the
dead Internet theory kind of stuff right. You literally just
have like all of these chat bots or AI agents
and they're communicating with one another.
Speaker 3 (47:23):
Like there will come soft rains by Ray Bradberry. I
think it was brad Berry anyway, correct me on that one,
but do check out the short story if you have time,
Sacer Tomato, Yeah, you nailed it. Man to your question, Noel,
I would see it personally as almost an art piece,
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like it's a bit of a grift. If there wasn't
so much money involved, it would almost be an art
piece or commentary on what very well could be the future.
Because as these interactions become more sophisticated, very smart people
happy and conducting experiments where to things that see themselves
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as separate kind of operating large language models will they
will begin to invent their own language or their own
modes of communication to people, where they'll start kind of
like when you get two people who are tremendously talented
at math, and each of them are one of only
five people who understands what they're talking about, and those
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people start talking very quickly, what they're saying becomes incomprehensible
to everybody else. So that's a possibility, but a multibook
is not it yet?
Speaker 4 (48:38):
It's not yet, It's not yet.
Speaker 7 (48:39):
I do really just want to say, because I asked
this question, I just want I just found out the answer.
AI agents are ways of deploying AI platforms or AI
what's the other word? That I used models to automate
tasks for people. So it's just a form of automation,
whether it be building spreadsheets, any number of tasks that
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can be streamlined and or completely automated by AI models.
Speaker 4 (49:06):
So that supplies to that exactly right.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
It just strikes me that simultaneously in the automation sphere,
in this what would be called the AI sphere, there
is so much theater that is occurring that we've been
talking about on this show for a long time. Whether
it's a robot, this shiny, new, exciting robot that has
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arms and legs and can walk around. But when you're
seeing it, or if you're an investor and you're seeing
a video on Instagram or TikTok, what you're actually seeing
as a human being remote controlling.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
That robot mechanical.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
Sure, yes, when you're looking at some of the things
that AI can potentially do for humanity, or this shiny
new product could be in the future. What you're actually
seeing are human beings at a computer responding to people
in real time, and that user believes it's AI functioning
in a certain way. We keep seeing it over and
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over and over again because ultimately, what these things are
is this shiny, tempting new thing that people could make
billions of jaw billions of dollars on, and that's what
it represents. That's what it is. So it needs to
do things that are that in that magical space that
we talk about right where magic and technology meet. It
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has to do that thing. If it doesn't do those things,
then what the hell are we doing?
Speaker 4 (50:35):
And it's inherently speculative.
Speaker 7 (50:37):
I actually heard I think it was Jake Paul or
maybe it was Jake the boxer, and then the other
ones the wrestler, maybe they both box the younger Paul brother.
He said something like how he thinks Elon Musk is
the most important human to ever human and that his
accomplishments are, you know, world changing and world building. And
someone said, well, what's the most important contribution that you
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On Musk has may and he said it is something
that he has not done yet, which is like the
very nature of the grift of Elon Musk and the
very nature of.
Speaker 4 (51:10):
The grift of AI and AI agents. It's we're all
banking on something that they haven't done yet.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
He hasn't filled the heavens with his data centers yet
that will prevent humans from ever seeing the stars again,
do you guys.
Speaker 4 (51:23):
Know what I mean?
Speaker 8 (51:24):
And again?
Speaker 3 (51:24):
And the data center it's spread by digital scene.
Speaker 7 (51:27):
And the goalpost is constantly moving because I mean, the
question of what AI can accomplish or like how productive
enance productivity enhancing it is is becoming less and less
important as they just kind of move the goalposts and
it really is less about what it can do and
more just about like what it might be able to
do or something.
Speaker 4 (51:47):
It's just all so speculative. It just seems like a
such a bubble.
Speaker 3 (51:51):
Well it's like we're we've got an honor student in
elementary school and we're saying, you know, I wonder what
kind of space doctor they're going to be?
Speaker 4 (52:01):
Rocket surgeon?
Speaker 2 (52:02):
Ye, speaking of trajectory and apogee, does it remind you
at all of the Mars explorations that we talked about
a decade and a half ago. We were going to
go to Mars.
Speaker 4 (52:15):
Shopping, but now it's the moon.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
Yeah, electric cars that catch on fire at will.
Speaker 4 (52:24):
That sounds like, yeah, sorry.
Speaker 3 (52:28):
We forgot uh the e c U of this of
this car thinks it's playing Doom exactly. It died in
the game, so it burns at the crosswalk.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
Did you guys hear about the nail test?
Speaker 4 (52:41):
What is that?
Speaker 2 (52:42):
What is the major Chinese car manufacturer b y D
or something like that, Ben Oh God ones.
Speaker 7 (52:48):
That are really awesome, way better than anything we have
here in mega affordable, but we can't get a lot.
Speaker 3 (52:53):
Unfortunately, you got to narrow that one.
Speaker 5 (52:54):
I think that one's mostly.
Speaker 7 (52:58):
Yeah, that's why what those cars can do and how
embarrassing they make our tech.
Speaker 4 (53:02):
Look.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
I think it's by D cars that I was reading
this morning about how they were changing their batteries because
of this thing they call it the nail test, where
it's you literally pierce their battery with a nail and
it immediately starts in insane fire that is crazy difficult
to put out. And that battery used to be directly
under the driver's seat of the bid vehicles, and there
(53:26):
was there was an accident that occurred where these twenty
somethings can you can look this up.
Speaker 3 (53:30):
You can find it.
Speaker 4 (53:31):
I promise.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
Twenty somethings were driving, they got involved in a fairly
small accident, but that battery got ruptured and it burned
everybody alive in the car. And this happens with cyber
trucks too. Look it up. A lot of vehicles that
use this specific or similar type of lithium ion battery
to power the vehicles. But BYD recently, they spent years
(53:55):
and years and years burned down in their facilities through
R and D, through trying to create new battery, and
they created one that is super thin and you can
puncture it all day long and it's kno going to
malfunction and catch on fire. That kind of thing is
like a true innovation, a true leap forward when it
comes to new tech. I just I really strongly feel,
(54:16):
and I might be completely wrong and history will be like, Matt,
you're a dumb dumb But this whole AI thing, I swear, dude,
It's just it is vapor nothingness except for things that
won't make a ton of money.
Speaker 3 (54:31):
Yes, And also it's being sold things are not really AI.
Are being sold as AI to excite investors, but the
actual research that excellent point about BYD is occurring in
other countries at this juncture. And I do want to
point out for everybody who hasn't thought about it, BYD
(54:52):
stands for build your dreams.
Speaker 4 (54:54):
Love that so pausitive, so positive, that's what that means.
Speaker 7 (54:57):
And I was just talking with a friend who's inn
AI cybersecurit and she was saying how they're using AI
as a tool for some of the kind of under
the hood kind of stuff like that. I think is
you know, is kind of the name of the game.
But this stuff isn't exactly sexy and it doesn't really sell.
But that doesn't mean that there isn't a useful purpose
(55:18):
for AI. It's just not that massive money maker that
the corporations would have us believe and that they would
have investors believe, and that potentially could lead to a
massive bubble burst.
Speaker 4 (55:29):
Yeah, that's how they do.
Speaker 3 (55:30):
Yeah, Phillips screwdrivers are great, but they're not the perfect
screwdriver for everything.
Speaker 4 (55:35):
Oh they're not.
Speaker 3 (55:36):
Even the perfect tool for everything.
Speaker 4 (55:38):
Sometimes the flathead are one of those ones with interchangeables you.
Speaker 3 (55:41):
Or those yeah, those little beat me here, Dylan, those
little few proprietary ones.
Speaker 2 (55:46):
Yes, please give those as long as they actually will
give you torque aheads of the screws, which is what
Phillips screwdrivers were designed to do, to strip the screws
once they got screwed all the way in.
Speaker 3 (55:58):
Oh gosh, it's like we're off on another conspiracy.
Speaker 4 (56:03):
Hey, guys, to say, stuff is great.
Speaker 5 (56:05):
Boats wondering if anyone want to buy my n f ts.
Speaker 3 (56:09):
Can I rent your n f T s? Can I
rent them?
Speaker 4 (56:13):
Can I just write click your n f T.
Speaker 3 (56:17):
Because I have to I have to go to a
tech pro fundraiser. Yeah, yeah, for sure, and then I'll
donate the n f T s at the auction. But
don't worry, you'll still have.
Speaker 4 (56:26):
Can I just print your n f T s out
and just have them like that? Put them, but it.
Speaker 2 (56:31):
Won't have the motion.
Speaker 3 (56:33):
Do they have blockchain?
Speaker 4 (56:35):
They do have motion. They're the giff you ones.
Speaker 3 (56:38):
To where's my blockchain? Where's my age?
Speaker 4 (56:40):
Dude? Where's my blockchain?
Speaker 3 (56:43):
Where's my blockchain?
Speaker 7 (56:45):
I'll wrap up this segment in today's episode with just
to mention that sadly, guys, I know that this.
Speaker 4 (56:51):
You all really hanging your hanging your futures on this one.
Speaker 7 (56:54):
But uh meta and the meta verse and Mark Zuckerberg's
uh you know virtual reality Horizon World is sadly being
winded down, wound down rather control. It will be removed
from the Quest Store at the end of this month
(57:14):
and so discontinued on VR by June of twenty twenty six.
Apparently will only exist at that point as a standalone
mobile app, which Metas says will allow them to grow each.
Speaker 4 (57:28):
Platform rather to grow with greater focus. This is, by
the way, the.
Speaker 7 (57:34):
Garbage graphics sims esque world that that that Mark Zuckerberg
put I think nearly what is it, like eighty billion dollars.
Speaker 4 (57:46):
In two or something like that.
Speaker 3 (57:47):
Yeah, and that we also appeared on multiple times. In
the interest of full disclsion, do we.
Speaker 4 (57:51):
Do the metaverse?
Speaker 2 (57:52):
I think, well, we did the metaverse like I'm doing
quotations here, but ultimately we did Fortnite and roeblocks specialized off.
Speaker 3 (58:03):
Yeah yeah, yeah, so not not full like the interstate
of the metaverse. But this can be seen as uh
you know, this can be seen as the rate of
attrition with breakneck innovation. This can also be seen slightly
selfishly as good news. That's right, friends and neighbors, fellow
conspiracy realists. Our little show, little podcast that could has
(58:25):
outlasted the Metaverse.
Speaker 7 (58:27):
Oh, it just goes to show well, VR is fun,
but it still hasn't taken off. I mean, I think
we all have enjoyed our time messing with our oculuses.
And a good friend of the show, an incredible illustrator
of the stuff that I want you to know book
Nick Admiral Turbo Benson recently scored himself one of the
new oculuses because it's really great for projection mapping and
(58:49):
using to create murals without having to have like a
physical projector So there are just like AI excellent uses
for this stuff, just not in the haven't quite cracked
the code on like a big scaled blockbuster AI thing,
And I think that's what Zuckerberg was shooting for. But
I just want to point out and then I seed
(59:11):
my time to the to the gang. There's a piece
from way back in December of last year, Mark Zuckerberg
threw seventy seven billion into the toilet on Metaverse, says
economist Dean Baker, and he likens it to the same
way that he's throwing money into AI. That it's just
another shiny object.
Speaker 4 (59:29):
That the suits haven't really figured out what to do
with yet, right, But it's.
Speaker 2 (59:35):
Exciting and it's happening now, and you could get on
get in on the ground floor, baby.
Speaker 3 (59:43):
And you might just end up underground. We're bringing it
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Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Guys breaking away for just a second, I forgot to
mention this. Have we seen the trailer for this is
a gardening show?
Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
Now?
Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Please take a moment. Watch the trailer for this. It's
a Zach Gallifanakis Netflix show all about gardening, and it
is a response to the aiification of the globe right now,
and it just reminds you of everything we.
Speaker 4 (01:00:58):
Just talked about.
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