August 6, 2026 • 47 mins
Duke Nukem shares his personal experience working with the Minuteman III. Replying to the episode on conscription, Ian proposes a map for basic training. HR follows up on the story of the USS Liberty, asking for more about the concept of the 'October Surprise'. Night Shift hopes more people talk about an up-and-coming politician named Vermin Supreme. Tune in for all this and more in this week's listener mail segment.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Hello, and welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my.
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Voicemail edition that is correct today as we record. It's
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of different messages that you've been sending us. My goodness,
you've been sending us messages very hard to keep up
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Didn't we get an update. We got like a Ring
Central update. Now I'm getting all of a sudden, all
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getting before because for a while I think we were
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The primary thing was that we lost the ability to
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Which you love to do so well, Matt, and I
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It's if you're going to reach out and get in
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And does often threaten that the void may reach back.
And in most cases, I think you're the void, matt Oh.
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Aren't we all a bit of the void?
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That's how the light gets it.
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You have to be the light in the void. Even
though you are kind of the void, you are also
the light.
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At the end of the void. Is actually an oncoming
space train? I don't know carry on?
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Or is the light the thing that creates the void?
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You cannot have void without light, otherwise we would, you know,
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We're gonna We're gonna do today. We're gonna hear from
Duke Nukeom. Duke Nukem has the Duke Nukema. I think
(02:33):
it might be he is going to give us some
personal experience with the old Minuteman missile system. Specifically the
Minuteman three that is system.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
That is something Duke nukeomb would be, you know, knowledgeable
about the tracks.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
So let's hear from the Duke himself.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Hey guys, long time listener. I wanted to call in
because Reach an episode you're talking about what pushers who
operate the our nuclear missile arsenal. I actually spent four
years doing that job with minute Men three ICBMs in Wyoming,
and I thought i'd give a little perspective from someone
who's actually sat under ground in the capsule. First off,
(03:13):
there really isn't a big red button. By the time
I was in, we were using the React upgrade, so
it's a series of computer inputs on technology that you know,
while upgraded, it still feels very much like it came
from the eighties and nineties and then followed by a
final synchronized tea. Hollywood definitely simplified it simplifies it also,
(03:34):
I actually called into the show a few years ago
brought some really strange, unexplainable things that me and other
missileers as were called, experience while underground on alert. Kind
of a haunting story, but it never made it on
the air, which the bummer because being down there for
twenty four hour alerts definitely be an airy experience. One
(03:55):
thing people always ask is you just sit around thinking
about nuclear wall day. Honestly, not really. It's always somewhere
in the back of your mind because you understand the
gravity of the mission. But at day to day you're
mostly consumed with maintenance, endless checklists, inspections, testing equipment, coordinating
targeting actions, yeah, authenticating messages, making sure everything is functioning
(04:20):
exactly as it should. They keep it pretty busy. Definitely
one of the most unique jobs I'll ever have. At
twenty something years old. They basically entrust you with an
unbelievable amount of responsibility, but your day is much more
about discipline, procedures, attention to detail than people probably realize. Anyways,
(04:40):
just wanted to offer a little first time experience. Love
the show, Thanks for letting me sure well.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
First of all, Matt, I have to say that Duke
Nucom just sounds like a charming chap not all at
all the gravelly voiced, you know, muscle bound, you know,
warmonger that I would have expected from the video games.
They obviously exaggerated him a lot, and Matt, before we
even get to the beef of this particular message. I
swear that spooky missile silos story sounds mega familiar. And
(05:10):
I don't know if the Duke maybe missed it when
we talked about it, or if we talked about it
off air and we didn't get it into the pod,
But I wonder if we could maybe even take a
moment to talk about that one too.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Well, Duke, we have a bit of a mystery on
our hands here because in our Google Docs system that
we use for these listener mail, strange news episodes, all
that stuff, we keep it all on track and we
all put stuff in when we're going to talk about
something or hear a voicemail or read an email way back. Yeah,
I'm going to give you the date here, twenty twenty
(05:44):
four one three. That means January twenty twenty four. We've
got your name in our system, Duke Nukem. It's the
same number you called from this time, and it says
former Air Force Officer, Nuclear Missile Control Command, Supernatural Stories
from Undergrounds. It seems like maybe something we have done,
(06:05):
but it's redded out. It has been highlighted in red
in the tourist system.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Who got to the system we did. Did we not
also have a spooky occurrence with one of our other
Google docs where all of a sudden the color coding got.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Skewed, Yes, and all claimed to not have touched it.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Who's trying to suppress the Duke's tale of haunted silos?
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Well, this is what I'll say. I'm gonna go back
after we record this episode and check and see if
that was included in an episode back in twenty twenty four.
But if it was not, well, but also we're not
gonna play it.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Well we also can we just sum it up real quick,
like from the fight.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
I don't know, that's d that's twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
You're saying that there's not a link to the thing
that we all create where we past the Oh it's audio, duh.
Of course, of course that's why. Yeah, whenever we do
these and I typically, Matt, you're the keeper for the
most part of the voicemail, and so I usually when
I'm put my little Lincoln there, it's copying and pasting
email texts. So yep, you have to like dig up
(07:08):
that that wavefile.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
There's an archive. Oh god, there's an archive that I
have to go through now and figure out where I
archived it. Okay, we'll put it. We'll find it.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
We'll put a pin in that, Matt. But to the
Duke's current missive, well, what are your thoughts? Oh?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
A lot of things. The first thing that sticks out, Duke,
is the idea that it is, like you, someone in
their twenties. I was thinking this twenty somethings.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
What do you need to what would it take to
get in that seat. I've known people that work at
nuclear power plants and they have crazy uh testing and
background checks and clearance is that they have to get
in order to you know, work at a facility like that.
I can only imagine what it would require. Well, it's
sit in this seat.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
It's as an odd thing because you want someone who
has quick reaction time, right, who can respond under a
lot of stress to something like if the big day happens,
when those folks at the minute Man three systems and
ICBM systems are needed a way out there in Wyoming,
you want them to probably be young folks who are
just gonna, you know, step to action. We also know that,
(08:24):
as you said there, Duke, it's all about discipline and procedures.
So that doesn't necessarily mean you need to have any
amount of experience wisdom to be able to, you know,
see those procedures, know the procedures, and then just do
them step by step if the big day comes it.
It feels like maybe folks in their twenties their time
(08:47):
could be used better elsewhere, maybe in more physical things,
more demanding jobs, and you could have maybe older folks
manning the minutemen system. But I don't know if that's
you know, I don't understand the logistics. I've never thought
about that too much other than right in this moment.
And maybe it's a good set of training for other
(09:08):
things that you might get into or other jobs you
might have there.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
H So let's see. Clearance level required to be an
ICBM launch officer or missileer typically requires a top secret
with many billets requiring ts SCI eligibility because of access
to sensitive operations and intel, deep deep deep background checks
(09:35):
Tier five formerly SSB I, with periodic reinvestigations and continuous evaluations.
So I mean, this is a guy that was under
a lot of scrutiny in his early twenties.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Well, imagine how scary that could be to folks who
understand these missile systems and rely on them as you know,
a dead hands system, as a as a deterrent, as
all the things that it can potentially function as. If
an enemy gets to a single operator, a single one
of the people that's there in one of these facilities,
(10:13):
you could potentially have maybe not a launch because there
are other people there that would stop a single person.
I'm assuming again I've never actually been in there to
see how it works, but if one rogue person is
gotten too right and is convinced through one means or
another to sabotage or attempt to launch, you could kind
(10:34):
of almost in the world.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
You could. Matt, I haven't seen the way this works either,
but has seen a lot of James Bond movies and
other you know, movies that involve like the last minute
the foiling of a nuclear weapons launch or whatever, and
oftentimes they're depicted as requiring two people with like these
keys they have to be turned at the same time. Like,
(10:58):
I wonder if that's that's real or it has to
be some that has to be based in some amount
of truth, but I imagine it is.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
I think Duke says it in there. He talks about
to at least two of the systems. One of them
is like a dual key turn.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Okay, sorry, it got a little garbled there, especially through
our video chat where you're streaming at right now. But yeah,
what was your takeaway there.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Well, it was that system that seems to still be
in place, and gosh, you almost want to wish there's
like four keys you got to do, but it does
make sense in an emergency, you want at least two
people to be consciously making that decision. It checks out
for me. The other thing is the REACT system that
Duke is talking about there, as in it's a software upgrade,
(11:44):
basically the computer upgrade. So the systems aren't quite as
old school anymore, even though they are kind of still
a little old school, and I believe that's the way
Duke talks about them. I put a link in the
chat there, NOL if you want to jump to it.
It is the Minuteman Missile dot com website. It is
a tribute to the ICBM program and it talks about
(12:06):
the Rapid Execution and Combat Targeting System also known as REACT.
Cool little acronym there, and on this website it says
deployment for this six hundred and thirty two million dollar
system began in the nineteen eighties to replace the nineteen
sixties vintage nuclear command and controlled indystem.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
I love vintage, just like the idea of a vintage
nuclear commanded control system. And Matt, does this one here
now looking at it not look vintage itself? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Yeah, it does, it does. Oh yeah, And the website continues.
This new system replaced the complex electro mechanical gear, as
well as the notoriously smudged and unreadable teletype messages that
had the potential to initiate nuclear war.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Whoops, misread the prompter. Yeah, America, good god, Yeah, you
know what. I I think my favorite part about Duke's
message was this notion of like people asking him if
he's just sitting around thinking about nuclear war all day.
I think that's a question that could be posed to
(13:11):
just about any of us who are maybe a little
too online or a little too like with our heads
in the news, because yeah, it is always kind of
in the back of our mind. But I think that
the thing is that there's so many other things that
are like looming up in there that it doesn't always,
you know, rise to the top. But even in this show,
(13:32):
Matnie I'm not sure what kind of you know, mechanisms
that you rely on to not lose sleep at night,
but I personally kind of have to keep some of
this stuff a little bit of a psychic distance or
else it could, you know, get real hairy you in
terms of like mental health stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Yeah, compartmentalization is key, I think when it comes to
anything like life. Yeah, especially if you've got family time,
time with friends, I'm by yourself time contemplating that void
that we talked about so much at the beginning here,
or you know, talking about how life is a waterfall
(14:09):
and how we're all one in the river and then
one again after the fall system of a down and
you know, there are all kinds of things that you
can think about and go down a rabbit hole of
uncomfortability maybe as the way to put.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
It, discomfort at the very least, right like anxiety. Right.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah, gotta say, really appreciate the invention of video games
and all the folks out there that bring those to us,
because it sure does take my mind off things for
thirty minutes here, ten minutes there, an hour and twenty
four hours however.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Long dude, same, and can I take this opportunity To.
I don't think you're a switch To guy yet, but
I may have found a reason for you to become one.
There's a new well. First of all, the new Frumbsoft
game is only going to be on switch To. It's
called The Dusk Bloods and it's some kind of like
a multi like multiplayer kind of like raid type game
(15:08):
or whatever. It seems really cool and very Miyazaki. But
there's this new Splatoon game that just came out that's
called Splatoon Raiders, and it talk about like taking like
a concept like Borderlands or Call of Duty or like
Capture the Flag type, you know, gang shooter raids, looter
shooter raids, and making it seem really really like innocuous
(15:31):
and sweet, like instead of like guns, you're using like
paint paint shooters and you know you're you're fighting with
salmon and when you blow them up, they become these
like beautiful orbs of like salmon eggs. And there's something
whoever designed this game figured out how to like make
a shooter that is does not make you think of
violence at all, and it is a lovely, exciting delight.
(15:55):
And it is the first switch To game that I've
messed with that really makes you feel how much more
powerful the system is because there's just stuff happening all
over the place and it always sticks to the proper
frame rate. Nothing ever glitches and oh my gosh, colorful, explosive,
you know, just like reds and greens and yellows and
like pain everywhere. It's so much.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Fun, excellent. Oh my gosh. My son actually played an
earlier iteration of that and I could not get over
the soundtrack. I don't know why, but the soundtrack killed me.
In an earlier version of it, you didn't like it.
It was talking about a bunch of things happening at once,
you know, exciting things on the screen. There was just
(16:36):
too much happening sonically, god thing o god.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Well, So those earlier versions of splittoon, I think are
a lot more like a call of duty, where it's like,
you know, a death match kind of thing. This one
is very exclusively a raid situation where you can do
multiplayer and you're just fighting against hordes of computer enemies
and it's I think you'd like it a lot, and
I think your son would like it a lot. Say,
(17:02):
maybe get a switch to so we can play it
online together.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
No, we'll see what happens. I'll look it up during
this ad break.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
See how much it costs. Actually, they're raising the price,
so you gotta get one soon.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Here's a mat and we've returned. What about some more voicemail?
What do you say?
Speaker 5 (17:28):
No?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
All right, Well, we'll see you next week. I said,
all right, oh, all right, all right. Well, then let's
hear a quick message from Ian. He had he listened
to the episode on conscription and was interested in thinking
a little further about a way we could implement some
form of basic training.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
So let's let's hear his th That was interesting.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
Hey there, guys, my name is Ian. You can use
this message on your show if you'd like to. I
was just listening to your most recent episode about conscription,
and I heard your comments about mandatory basic training, so
I stopped what I was doing to call y'all. I
feel like it could be a really good idea to
implement a mandatory basic training that more or less teaches
people basic s fields like first daid, CPR training, basic economics.
(18:15):
I think that it'd be a good way to implement
that would be to, you know, take a twelve education
and condense it down into graduating more or less at
the age of sixteen, but in the next four years
of your lives are almost like an apprenticeship with some
form of entity serving the community or your local infrastructure,
and that's where you get your basic training. Anyway, that's
(18:37):
what my thoughts are. Thanks appreciate you guys.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
So that came up, man, I think Ben brought up
the idea of community service, sort of mandatory community service.
You had the idea of just sort of basic maybe
not combat but self defense.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
You know, I was talking about combat training base.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Of course you were, of course you were. But I
love the idea. I mean, you know, there used to
be when we were kids, this like President's Physical Fitness
Challenge that Arnold Schwarz Ratzenega was like such a big
proponent of, or he was like a spokesperson of. And
I just remember I could never do a pull up
and I still can't. But I'm working on it, man,
I'm working on it. But it just doesn't seem like
(19:17):
there's anything like that in the schools anymore. And I
guess it does make sense that if something like this
were to be implemented, that it would you know, the
education system is where it would start. But in this country,
our education system is so fragmented and fractured, and like
you know, frankly, everyone doesn't have access to the same stuff.
(19:39):
And this, at the end of the day, does seem
like the kind of idea that certain politicians might call socialists.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Yes, you know what I mean. I know exactly what
you mean. And I've been thinking about it a lot,
especially with the advent of AI and all these other things,
and the constant threat that everyone's kind of living under
now that their job will be replaced or is replaceable
or whatever. The idea that maybe apprenticeships are the way
(20:12):
to go, apprenticeships where you learn a thing extremely well.
In as Ian said like four years, like right after
you turn sixteen, just focus in on one thing, one
thing that is going to be helpful for society, for humanity,
for all of us. Maybe it's a local community, right,
and that's your local community then becomes the most important thing.
(20:36):
But that local community is providing perhaps resources to the
ones near it, right, and then it becomes a network
of local communities that kind of sustain things. I don't know,
it feels really good. It it reminds me. I keep
talking about the show Silo that I've been watching and
(20:56):
in that they have this concept of a shadow, someone
who's going to shadow you. When you're like the best
mechanic you know in the silo, you've got a shadow
who's going to be your replacement. Essentially, you've got all
the expertise that could possibly exist, all the wisdom. Now
this person is learning absolutely everything they can from you.
(21:17):
That would be a great thing to exist. Again, I
don't somebody out there who's been doing apprenticeships right through
maybe a trade school or with a trade where you've
actually shadowed someone in that way talk to us. Reach
out to us, either call our voicemail system, send us
an email, find us on Instagram, any of those things.
(21:38):
Tell us your experience, like how long did you train
under somebody, how much do you feel like you learned
from that person's wisdom and experience, and how far have
you gone, you know, and do you have somebody your apprenticing.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
It's interesting, Matt, because we're talking to about a time
where maybe some of the stuff was he was not
always entirely about economics. It was about pride in what
you do. It wasn't about like how can you market
this skill or what is it you know, break down
to on a balance sheet. It was about like being
(22:15):
the best at a thing and like a serving again
your community. I mean, like industrialization replaced the trade system
in a way, and now AI is just like another
version of that, like there have been many before it,
of course, but you gotta wonder, like what is an
AI proof skill? And I think the answer then becomes, well,
(22:37):
it's about a lack of community. We have suffered I
think greatly through COVID and through a lot of things
from a dissolution of this idea of like IRL community.
And you know, if we were to have intentional communities
where people had these physical skills, that's kind of a
(22:58):
I proof because you're taking care of other humans and
living together. And you know, why is it the only
version of that that we see requires some sort of
zombie apocalypse?
Speaker 2 (23:08):
You know, you're so right, dude. There could just be
a shift, right, a decision at some point that a
collective of humanity makes we reject this.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
We reject it and we just want to go back.
I mean, and I don't think there's a like a
short of like a government coming in and rounding these
people up or saying that you know, which not to
say that that couldn't happen or that wouldn't be all
of a sudden. What they represent is now a threat
to to commerce, a threat to you know, continued growth.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Right. But I think we talked about it a bit.
It's a bit anti American, anti government, right extremists that
might do something, and if you can label someone effectively
in the media, you could probably round them up.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
But when you look at what it actually is, it's
literally just people that want to take care of each
other and like live in a community where they have
some control over their destinies and their lives and they
don't have to worry about the stock market crashing because
of psychotic people and government and business or you know.
(24:17):
Just I mean, I see the I see the appeal.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Yeah, just you know, be careful who you talk to
you about that. Sorry too late.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Said what I said, But I feel you I do.
It's just it's just crazy that in like you know,
in popular culture, it seems like the versions of that
that we see are either like represented as Luddites or
like you know, Amish or something like that somehow disconnected
from civilization, as if they are like othered in a
(24:47):
negative way or extremists, Like you're talking about folks that
are anti government, that are like building bombs or zombie
apocalypse type stuff, you know, fallout type stuff. These communities,
Like it's that's the way we get it presented. There's
like very little talk or discussion in the mainstream of
that being a viable path to like being alive. And
(25:11):
that's pretty sad, twisted, agreed.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
And often there's an unseen, unknown force at play that
keeps everything on the rails, especially if it's a you know,
a version of a quasi utopian society. There's some dark
thing at the heart of those stories that keeps everything working.
I'm thinking about that show Silent, thinking about Fallout, I'm
(25:36):
thinking about a lot of these where there's a group,
how's it put a group that's willing to make the
hard decisions for the greater good right, which is often
what we've talked about on this show as being the
motivating force behind a lot of governmental institutions and countries
across the world, a lot of these larger international organizations,
(25:59):
you know, that keep economics going as they should so
that people don't think too hard about the fiat currency
they're carrying in their pockets and where that you know
money gets its power from.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Matt. Are you familiar with the TV series Paradise, I
am not. It's I don't. I haven't seen very much
of Silo, But I don't want to spoil anything about
the show because there is kind of like a thing
that happens in the first couple episodes that's sort of
a big reveal it. But it has a similar quality
to what you're describing and the unseen forces making the
(26:35):
quote unquote hard choices that are often justifying those hard
choices that they are very kind of evil in some
ways with that greater good argument, And we know there's
nothing scarier than a greater good argument, you know, in
the wrong hands. Right.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Oh, for sure, it could be used to justify many anything,
any number of things, as it does every day across
the world. We just were not really supposed to think
about it. It's not healthy to think about it, Noel,
as we were talking about before, it's not good for
your health. Well, speaking of unseen forces that are at
(27:14):
play that might do something for the greater good quote, I.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Thought you're just gonna leave it then it might do something,
And I was like, that is very vague.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Yeah, carry on that greater good arguments. Well, let's let's
hear from h R, who called in not longer ago.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
I thought you were an HR like we're finally getting the.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Boot, and I think it might be. Let's find out.
Speaker 7 (27:36):
All right, good evening, gentlemen. You can use my name
and message on air. This is HR calling in regards
to your USS liberty Part two episodes regarding USS liberty.
A false flag seems by far the most accurate, and
you started to touch on Iran, where I believe we
can safely assume that there are false flags occurring as
(27:58):
American as apple pie and propaganda of I would simply
add that when the American people don't buy the false
flag overseas, that's when you get a nine to eleven
event to garner support. America is approaching an election where
many voter suppression tactics have failed thus far, or at
the very least they fallen flat. What better way to
avoid the whole scene but an Iranian attack on American
(28:19):
soil for the October surprise, Just saying, I don't think
I'll be very surprised you guys touched on it gently,
but it's worth a deeper word for in a moment
where narratives are not holding up in real time, and
that is dangerous. Love the show, keep up the great work,
and I'll see you at the next meeting.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Right dude, that made my heart sink a little bit.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Did you notice that voice at the end there?
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Yeah, I heard there was another human on the on
the line.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Yeah, was that that was from my bedroom? Sorry? That
was my partner and I qing an episode on USS
Liberty and we're being a bit silly, but also having
a conversation about the October surprise that we've been talking
about quite quite a bit today.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Actually, yeah, we sure were. I think we're going to
do a series about it. I had to kind of
be refreshed. It's something that I sort of had inherently internalized,
you know, just from what experiencing it. But it is
this idea of like a twist, a big, a big
sea change thing that's been held back and deployed in
a very tactical manner in order to change the course
(29:27):
of events, right m hm. Usually politically, but it could
be in the in the case of like a conflict
or what have you.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Let's put it this way, there are a lot of
historical events that take place in October before a November election,
especially in the United States, that are seemed to be coincidental. Wow,
it's crazy that that happened just weeks before in election,
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and it does seem to have changed public opinion about
one candidate or another, or about one situation or another
and the need to either keep a president in or
get a president out, or change the senators that we're
all voting for and all that kind of thing. There's
been a lot of coincidences. And as we know about coincidences,
they don't exist. No, I'm just kidding the sometimes they do.
(30:18):
But it is weird when you're talking about geopolitics, even
just you know, a state side politics things. It's weird
when these things occur.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
And let me be clear, you know, the content of
the October Surprise, because of the fact obviously it takes
place in October, always has to do with swaying votes,
changing the potential outcome of an election that might be
going in one direction or another. But what the surprise
actually is could be a revelation about a candidate that
the other side has been holding back. It could be
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some something related to an ongoing conflict. So it's like
I said that the actual surprise itself, while wielded politically,
doesn't necessarily have to be inherently political.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Oh no, it just, according to the theory, has to
somehow move that election right, change it in some way.
It's a pretty serious thought though, in that message. Just conceptually,
as we watch things in the news and put puzzle
pieces together, the concept that something could happen this Arctober,
it does. It feels right like, it feels like it's
(31:25):
something might happen. But again, that's like doom and gloom thing, right.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
I don't know, Matt, I know, we get a little
flax sometimes for maybe being I don't know, like expressing
our political opinions too much or something like that. But
I just feel like we're in a situation now too
where it's not a big walk to say that it's
pretty likely that the assassination attempt on the president's life
was staged. Like it just feels like it was, you know,
(31:51):
based on a lot of information and just experiencing it,
and as the way they pulled the flag down and
then move the photographers to the other side. So I
just don't think it's inherently political. To observe horrific manipulative
acts being done, you know, by the current administration. I
just don't think we have an axe to grind against
(32:13):
Republicans per se. I really think that both sides are
pretty despicable. Like, I just think that politics is a
pretty gnarly game, and I don't really want anything to
do with it. And yet here we find ourselves in
this world, or at least in this country that is
so driven by it. But I just think this administration
in particular would love to do something completely false, flaggy,
(32:35):
you know, they would, and they're setting the groundwork for it,
and they, to the caller's point, have done everything they
possibly can to pass this Save America Act, you know,
a voter suppression. We've been hearing talk of deploying ice
at the polls and things like that, and I've been
trying to convince myself that, Nonna, they can't do that.
(32:55):
That's that's too obvious. I don't think it will work.
So I think maybe that just means they have to
do something more underhanded, more diabolical, and more you know, surprising. Yeah,
I don't know, man. Do you see it though, do
you see it in terms of what the level of
I see again now, I also feel like I'm ascribing
(33:17):
like these are. This is the most amoral, you know, politic,
political group that's ever existed. I just don't think that's
I think they're the most outwardly amoral, and they don't
want to hide it, they don't care about hiding it.
But I just think there are world events that do
feel this a little too convenient, that could well have
(33:37):
been perpetrated, you know, false flag type of tax manufactured outrage.
I just don't put it past any government or political
body to do something like that in order to stay
in power, and what they might argue is the greater good.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
See our episode on the Project for the New American Century,
Project for a New American Century, that's what it was called.
Just give that a listen, give it a look. Just
put it in a search bar, you'll see it. In
regards to that twenty twenty four attempted assassination of Donald Trump,
it I don't know if that would constitute an October
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surprise because it changed in July.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
It changed such I agree.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
I just I wonder as we delve deeper into the
concept of an October surprise, if a July surprise could
also be lumped in with that, and why don't we
all take a moment to think about that. It's a
lot to chew on while we hear some ads, and
after we all buy some products, we'll hear more from
another listener and we're back all right. Just to stay
(34:53):
on the politics tip here, let's hear from night Shift,
who is a pretty constant caller here on the show.
It's gonna tell us about a political candidate in New Hampshire.
Speaker 5 (35:04):
Here we go, Hey, guys, listen night Shift. I was
just listening to the listener mail, the most recent one
where you're talking about a letter from k with the
funny presidential candidates or whatever in Britain. We have one
up here in New Hampshire. It's called Vermin Supreme is
his name, and he runs up the year where's big
(35:24):
boot on his head? Kind of funny and it's surprising
how many people actually vote for him. But just thought
I throw that out there. It's an interesting one, right,
speculator Matt, What.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
A great way to wrap up the episode of Vermin's.
I did not know about this guy. We were talking
about him with Dylan before we started recording. I think
in reference to Dylan is such a big fan of what
is Dylan? Captain count Ben Face, count Benface. I was
gonna say captain, and I would have yeah, been worthy
of scorn. This guy, Vermin Supreme, I was not aware
(35:58):
of at all, and I looked him up at the media.
They vote, I want to vote for him. I'm going
to write him in what a guy.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Yeah, I can't remember how I heard about him. I
wanted to say it had something to do with that group,
the yes Men at some point. I don't Maybe that's
a misremembering, or maybe he's been featured on The Daily
Show or something a long time ago, like back in
the day. I've seen this character and I've heard the
name Vermin Supreme, but I can't place it. I was
(36:26):
looking on ye old Wikipedia NOL and I saw that
in twenty twenty during the Libertarian presidential primaries, Vermin Supreme
received four thousand, two hundred and seventy seven votes, which
constituted nine point four percent of all the votes.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
So he's been at it for a minute.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Then he was only bested by Joe Jorgensen Joe Jorgensen
maybe and Jacob Hornberger, two people that I really don't
know much about and he was number three on that ticket.
Can you imagine if this Vermin supreme fellow was on
a national stage during like a major debate, although it
(37:10):
wouldn't it would never happen because we know how much
the RNC and DNC controlled those debates and they would
never let Vermin up there.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
I can't remember when this came up, but we were talking. Yeah,
it was, it was exactly. It was in this conversation
about count Benface and how in the UK it's a
lot easier to get traction as like a real fringe candidate.
And then that also is the case sometimes in certain
regions of Japan and elections where you got all these
like AI candidates and like you know, you know, like
(37:38):
a holograms and real absurd stuff. For whatever reason, our
political systems isn't set up for folks to like get
that far because there's a barrier to entry, of course,
in terms of finances, in terms of like again getting
a buy in from these major you know, groups that
control the major parties. I would love that, I really
really would love that if he were able, because he's
(38:00):
he's a performance artist, so he's essentially like kind of
lampooning the whole process. And I'm glad that he's getting
the attention that he's getting, which admittedly ain't enough because
I did not know anything about him. But he recently
posted on X the Everything app a picture that he
had manipulated of himself kind of peering over a field
(38:23):
of pigmy horses and saying Hello, Greenland, and it says
Soon and Just and he's like, he's got this big,
bushy gray beard and you can see the boot on
his head and he's just kind of leering at these
horses and just that is my level of absurdity right there.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
It may be since his Instagram feed is highly entertaining
all kinds craziness. What is his full name on X
on X.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
The Everything App? It is Vermin Supreme trademark King of
President America US A beautiful that's the title anyway. But
his his hat is simply Vermin Supreme. Glad he got
that lockdown?
Speaker 4 (39:07):
Got it?
Speaker 3 (39:07):
Glad he got that lockdown. It is funny though, because
in this image the Soon Greenland thing, you can't you
could just see the bottom of the boot hat and
it kind of just looks like he's wearing some sort
of like like he's a cardinal or something like wearing
one of those like cardinal type hats, you know, like
in the Catholic church. He boiled boy. It's it's it's
(39:30):
it's a pretty it's a pretty arresting image.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
It cover picture is him with shades on, with I
guess a massive toothbrush toothbrush, and then the.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Terminator eight hundreds, yeah, leering behind him.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Oh, that's gorgeous.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
He links to an org uspirates dot org. United States
Pirate Party. Us Pirate Party endorsed Jacob Anders for Tennessee's
fourth congressional district. Okay, I don't know about the us
Pirate Party, man, but i'll tell you what.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
It's very interesting.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
They've got some good branding, a lot of eye patches.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Yeah, it says no safe harbor no.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
And also the website is the most like GeoCities angel fire,
looking like nineties thing I've ever seen, and it's fantastic.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
It says here there's an about page. The United States
Pirate Party was founded in two thousand and six. It's
aligned with the International Pirate Movement. We support and work
toward reform of intellectual property laws. True governmental transparency, and
they're all about right to repair.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Yeah, they've got a platform page as well, putting individuals
before institutions, right to repair, opening for government in order
for citizens to control their democratic destiny. We need to
know what our government is doing. Oh yeah, opening up
government exactly. Transparency. Jeez, dude, have you seen the clip
of who's that horrible man that looks like when Pinocchio
(41:07):
became a real boy? Johnson, the Speaker of the House
with the rosy cheeks and the little tiny beady eyes. Yes,
you know what I mean. Doesn't he look like Pinocchio
became a real boy? I don't know. He just looks
like like a keebler elf kind of he There is
a thing where he's talking about the Democratic Socialist Parties
platform and he's reading it and all of it just
(41:27):
sounds really great, like things that would just be really nice,
like universal healthcare. But he's reading he's like, he's like
transparency for corporations, you know, and he's like saying in
this sinister way, and it's just landing so flat because
all of it just sounds lovely like it would be great.
It's a really funny clip. It's just a good example
(41:49):
of someone like, obviously he's speaking to a particular audience,
but out of the context of that audience that you
can't even see. It just looks like a person that's
falsely trying to make a bunch of like good stuff
sound bad.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Oh geez oh, yeah, I've definitely seen that kind of
thing before. You can watch people on your screens where
however big or small they are, who describe things like
being anti American or anti government and all these other things.
Anti fascist is all like enemies of the state somehow,
and it is just puzzling and confusing because being anti American,
(42:27):
like that concept of anti American that is one thing.
Anti government is a whole different thing, right.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
Well, connecting the two as if they're inextricable is the problem,
right You can in fact, wouldn't you say most are
founding fathers. Again, not like the biggest fan of them
all the time, either, but would argue that being questioning
government and skeptical is American and is patriotic.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
That this is precisely where I'm going here, because it's
to be anti government is like anarchist. If you're anti government,
you're ant that's if you're fully anti government. That means
you don't want people organizing things.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
You don't want a government.
Speaker 8 (43:07):
You're anti the concept of government, right, right, But disagreeing
with certain policies or laws or rules and regulations and
actions and all that stuff, that doesn't mean you're anti government.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
That means you disagree with those things, and perhaps you
would like to see it done a different way. Right,
that's not anti I just it's when you hear that
language thrown around you just realize, I mean that thing
you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
Well, and again to go down the list, continue down
the list of the United States Pirate Parties platform. Another
one is clean water. That sounds great, how controversial you know?
Clean water?
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, crazy stuff, man.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
And there are things on here that I could absolutely
see demonized and that maybe are pushing the bar a
little far. Foreign policy, we call for the free movement
of all people. There are folks that would turn that
into open borders and you know, unfettered immigration, you know.
But but then there are versions of that that basically
is just like honoring life to some.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
Degree, right, yeah. Do they even have a Pirate National
Committee a PNC?
Speaker 3 (44:24):
Hmm? Can we also just say we're discovering this in
real time, and that it's not like matter I are,
like promoting the United States Pirate Party, like I'm not
registered with any party. And I'll say it again, I
think both parties, and it's sad that we have to
have only have two, are pretty awful, you know. I mean,
the proof is in the pudding as far as what
(44:46):
you do and what you accomplish and like what legacy
you leave. But I just think, you know, the political
system that we have in this country is garbage.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
It's not the best because we see how it can
be you and corrupted and abused in all of those things.
But that that's pretty much every government across the board.
And I don't see a way to perfect it necessarily,
but it should be consistently improved, right.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
I'm also not an anarchist, and I'm not anti government
in the way that you described a minute ago. I'm
just kind of anti corruption and just anti dehumanization, you know,
And I don't think that should be controversial.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Either of those things doesn't sound like it to me.
We're just we're gonna wrap up here, y'all. I just
want to say a ton of people have been calling
in and writing in and we hear all of you.
We appreciate all of your opinions, even if you are,
you know, criticizing us a bit for perhaps an AD
(45:49):
choice or an AD that ended up on our show
and we didn't even mean for it to that, We
didn't know it was going to be there. Y'all are
reaching out to us for all sorts of reasons. You know.
Our favorite always is, hey, I have this personal experience
with a thing you guys talked about, and I can
give you more perspective, right, or a closer look at
something like that. Well, we do appreciate criticism as long
(46:11):
as you are, you know, trying to keep an open
mind the way we attempt to every week.
Speaker 3 (46:16):
And also like you know, respectful to some degree, right,
But we want to hear it right. No, No, But
what I'm saying is is, you know you're not gonna
we're not We're we're pretty self reflective people, and we're
we try to keep it over my mind about just
about everything. And like you're not going to really make
your point if you call us buttholes, you know, because
we're certainly not doing anything like someone wrote in about
(46:37):
you know, our discussion about COVID, and you know, like
really criticized this for not going through Anthony Fauci's diaries
one line at a time, and it's just there's a
lot to glean there, for sure, But we didn't leave
that out on purpose because we had an agenda of
some kind. It's just, yeah, I don't even remember the
(46:57):
context in which this person was referring to this person's referring,
but we certainly would never actively leave things out. We're
also human and make mistakes and forget things or or
we do leave things out, but it's biomission, not like intention,
and try to see things as clearly as possible. That's
that's what we're trying
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Hello, and welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Name is NOL. Our compatriot Ben is off on adventures.
You're you, I suppose, which makes this stuff they don't
want you to know.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Voicemail edition that is correct today as we record. It's
August fifth, and we have been going through all sorts
of different messages that you've been sending us. My goodness,
you've been sending us messages very hard to keep up
with the old voicemail inbox these days, NOL.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Didn't we get an update. We got like a Ring
Central update. Now I'm getting all of a sudden, all
these notifications and transcriptions in my email which I wasn't
getting before because for a while I think we were
having some technical issues with the old voicemail box we were.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
The primary thing was that we lost the ability to
call back folks.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Which you love to do so well, Matt, and I
think that's such an awesome thing to do. Well.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
It's if you're going to reach out and get in
touch with us. It only stands that we should do
the same.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
And does often threaten that the void may reach back.
And in most cases, I think you're the void, matt Oh.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Aren't we all a bit of the void?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
That's how the light gets it.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
You have to be the light in the void. Even
though you are kind of the void, you are also
the light.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
At the end of the void. Is actually an oncoming
space train? I don't know carry on?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Or is the light the thing that creates the void?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
You cannot have void without light, otherwise we would, you know,
wouldn't know what to call.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
It is correct, That is so correct. And before we
kick this whole party off, we do have to hear
from our sponsors.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
But don't worry.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
There's so many excellent calls on the way for you.
You just got to get through these ads first. Here
we go. Why don't we jump to our first message.
We're gonna We're gonna do today. We're gonna hear from
Duke Nukeom. Duke Nukem has the Duke Nukema. I think
(02:33):
it might be he is going to give us some
personal experience with the old Minuteman missile system. Specifically the
Minuteman three that is system.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
That is something Duke nukeomb would be, you know, knowledgeable
about the tracks.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
So let's hear from the Duke himself.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Hey guys, long time listener. I wanted to call in
because Reach an episode you're talking about what pushers who
operate the our nuclear missile arsenal. I actually spent four
years doing that job with minute Men three ICBMs in Wyoming,
and I thought i'd give a little perspective from someone
who's actually sat under ground in the capsule. First off,
(03:13):
there really isn't a big red button. By the time
I was in, we were using the React upgrade, so
it's a series of computer inputs on technology that you know,
while upgraded, it still feels very much like it came
from the eighties and nineties and then followed by a
final synchronized tea. Hollywood definitely simplified it simplifies it also,
(03:34):
I actually called into the show a few years ago
brought some really strange, unexplainable things that me and other
missileers as were called, experience while underground on alert. Kind
of a haunting story, but it never made it on
the air, which the bummer because being down there for
twenty four hour alerts definitely be an airy experience. One
(03:55):
thing people always ask is you just sit around thinking
about nuclear wall day. Honestly, not really. It's always somewhere
in the back of your mind because you understand the
gravity of the mission. But at day to day you're
mostly consumed with maintenance, endless checklists, inspections, testing equipment, coordinating
targeting actions, yeah, authenticating messages, making sure everything is functioning
(04:20):
exactly as it should. They keep it pretty busy. Definitely
one of the most unique jobs I'll ever have. At
twenty something years old. They basically entrust you with an
unbelievable amount of responsibility, but your day is much more
about discipline, procedures, attention to detail than people probably realize. Anyways,
(04:40):
just wanted to offer a little first time experience. Love
the show, Thanks for letting me sure well.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
First of all, Matt, I have to say that Duke
Nucom just sounds like a charming chap not all at
all the gravelly voiced, you know, muscle bound, you know,
warmonger that I would have expected from the video games.
They obviously exaggerated him a lot, and Matt, before we
even get to the beef of this particular message. I
swear that spooky missile silos story sounds mega familiar. And
(05:10):
I don't know if the Duke maybe missed it when
we talked about it, or if we talked about it
off air and we didn't get it into the pod,
But I wonder if we could maybe even take a
moment to talk about that one too.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Well, Duke, we have a bit of a mystery on
our hands here because in our Google Docs system that
we use for these listener mail, strange news episodes, all
that stuff, we keep it all on track and we
all put stuff in when we're going to talk about
something or hear a voicemail or read an email way back. Yeah,
I'm going to give you the date here, twenty twenty
(05:44):
four one three. That means January twenty twenty four. We've
got your name in our system, Duke Nukem. It's the
same number you called from this time, and it says
former Air Force Officer, Nuclear Missile Control Command, Supernatural Stories
from Undergrounds. It seems like maybe something we have done,
(06:05):
but it's redded out. It has been highlighted in red
in the tourist system.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Who got to the system we did. Did we not
also have a spooky occurrence with one of our other
Google docs where all of a sudden the color coding got.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Skewed, Yes, and all claimed to not have touched it.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Who's trying to suppress the Duke's tale of haunted silos?
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Well, this is what I'll say. I'm gonna go back
after we record this episode and check and see if
that was included in an episode back in twenty twenty four.
But if it was not, well, but also we're not
gonna play it.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Well we also can we just sum it up real quick,
like from the fight.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
I don't know, that's d that's twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
You're saying that there's not a link to the thing
that we all create where we past the Oh it's audio, duh.
Of course, of course that's why. Yeah, whenever we do
these and I typically, Matt, you're the keeper for the
most part of the voicemail, and so I usually when
I'm put my little Lincoln there, it's copying and pasting
email texts. So yep, you have to like dig up
(07:08):
that that wavefile.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
There's an archive. Oh god, there's an archive that I
have to go through now and figure out where I
archived it. Okay, we'll put it. We'll find it.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
We'll put a pin in that, Matt. But to the
Duke's current missive, well, what are your thoughts? Oh?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
A lot of things. The first thing that sticks out, Duke,
is the idea that it is, like you, someone in
their twenties. I was thinking this twenty somethings.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
What do you need to what would it take to
get in that seat. I've known people that work at
nuclear power plants and they have crazy uh testing and
background checks and clearance is that they have to get
in order to you know, work at a facility like that.
I can only imagine what it would require. Well, it's
sit in this seat.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
It's as an odd thing because you want someone who
has quick reaction time, right, who can respond under a
lot of stress to something like if the big day happens,
when those folks at the minute Man three systems and
ICBM systems are needed a way out there in Wyoming,
you want them to probably be young folks who are
just gonna, you know, step to action. We also know that,
(08:24):
as you said there, Duke, it's all about discipline and procedures.
So that doesn't necessarily mean you need to have any
amount of experience wisdom to be able to, you know,
see those procedures, know the procedures, and then just do
them step by step if the big day comes it.
It feels like maybe folks in their twenties their time
(08:47):
could be used better elsewhere, maybe in more physical things,
more demanding jobs, and you could have maybe older folks
manning the minutemen system. But I don't know if that's
you know, I don't understand the logistics. I've never thought
about that too much other than right in this moment.
And maybe it's a good set of training for other
(09:08):
things that you might get into or other jobs you
might have there.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
H So let's see. Clearance level required to be an
ICBM launch officer or missileer typically requires a top secret
with many billets requiring ts SCI eligibility because of access
to sensitive operations and intel, deep deep deep background checks
(09:35):
Tier five formerly SSB I, with periodic reinvestigations and continuous evaluations.
So I mean, this is a guy that was under
a lot of scrutiny in his early twenties.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Well, imagine how scary that could be to folks who
understand these missile systems and rely on them as you know,
a dead hands system, as a as a deterrent, as
all the things that it can potentially function as. If
an enemy gets to a single operator, a single one
of the people that's there in one of these facilities,
(10:13):
you could potentially have maybe not a launch because there
are other people there that would stop a single person.
I'm assuming again I've never actually been in there to
see how it works, but if one rogue person is
gotten too right and is convinced through one means or
another to sabotage or attempt to launch, you could kind
(10:34):
of almost in the world.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
You could. Matt, I haven't seen the way this works either,
but has seen a lot of James Bond movies and
other you know, movies that involve like the last minute
the foiling of a nuclear weapons launch or whatever, and
oftentimes they're depicted as requiring two people with like these
keys they have to be turned at the same time. Like,
(10:58):
I wonder if that's that's real or it has to
be some that has to be based in some amount
of truth, but I imagine it is.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
I think Duke says it in there. He talks about
to at least two of the systems. One of them
is like a dual key turn.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Okay, sorry, it got a little garbled there, especially through
our video chat where you're streaming at right now. But yeah,
what was your takeaway there.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Well, it was that system that seems to still be
in place, and gosh, you almost want to wish there's
like four keys you got to do, but it does
make sense in an emergency, you want at least two
people to be consciously making that decision. It checks out
for me. The other thing is the REACT system that
Duke is talking about there, as in it's a software upgrade,
(11:44):
basically the computer upgrade. So the systems aren't quite as
old school anymore, even though they are kind of still
a little old school, and I believe that's the way
Duke talks about them. I put a link in the
chat there, NOL if you want to jump to it.
It is the Minuteman Missile dot com website. It is
a tribute to the ICBM program and it talks about
(12:06):
the Rapid Execution and Combat Targeting System also known as REACT.
Cool little acronym there, and on this website it says
deployment for this six hundred and thirty two million dollar
system began in the nineteen eighties to replace the nineteen
sixties vintage nuclear command and controlled indystem.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
I love vintage, just like the idea of a vintage
nuclear commanded control system. And Matt, does this one here
now looking at it not look vintage itself? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Yeah, it does, it does. Oh yeah, And the website continues.
This new system replaced the complex electro mechanical gear, as
well as the notoriously smudged and unreadable teletype messages that
had the potential to initiate nuclear war.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Whoops, misread the prompter. Yeah, America, good god, Yeah, you
know what. I I think my favorite part about Duke's
message was this notion of like people asking him if
he's just sitting around thinking about nuclear war all day.
I think that's a question that could be posed to
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just about any of us who are maybe a little
too online or a little too like with our heads
in the news, because yeah, it is always kind of
in the back of our mind. But I think that
the thing is that there's so many other things that
are like looming up in there that it doesn't always,
you know, rise to the top. But even in this show,
(13:32):
Matnie I'm not sure what kind of you know, mechanisms
that you rely on to not lose sleep at night,
but I personally kind of have to keep some of
this stuff a little bit of a psychic distance or
else it could, you know, get real hairy you in
terms of like mental health stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Yeah, compartmentalization is key, I think when it comes to
anything like life. Yeah, especially if you've got family time,
time with friends, I'm by yourself time contemplating that void
that we talked about so much at the beginning here,
or you know, talking about how life is a waterfall
(14:09):
and how we're all one in the river and then
one again after the fall system of a down and
you know, there are all kinds of things that you
can think about and go down a rabbit hole of
uncomfortability maybe as the way to put.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
It, discomfort at the very least, right like anxiety. Right.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah, gotta say, really appreciate the invention of video games
and all the folks out there that bring those to us,
because it sure does take my mind off things for
thirty minutes here, ten minutes there, an hour and twenty
four hours however.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Long dude, same, and can I take this opportunity To.
I don't think you're a switch To guy yet, but
I may have found a reason for you to become one.
There's a new well. First of all, the new Frumbsoft
game is only going to be on switch To. It's
called The Dusk Bloods and it's some kind of like
a multi like multiplayer kind of like raid type game
(15:08):
or whatever. It seems really cool and very Miyazaki. But
there's this new Splatoon game that just came out that's
called Splatoon Raiders, and it talk about like taking like
a concept like Borderlands or Call of Duty or like
Capture the Flag type, you know, gang shooter raids, looter
shooter raids, and making it seem really really like innocuous
(15:31):
and sweet, like instead of like guns, you're using like
paint paint shooters and you know you're you're fighting with
salmon and when you blow them up, they become these
like beautiful orbs of like salmon eggs. And there's something
whoever designed this game figured out how to like make
a shooter that is does not make you think of
violence at all, and it is a lovely, exciting delight.
(15:55):
And it is the first switch To game that I've
messed with that really makes you feel how much more
powerful the system is because there's just stuff happening all
over the place and it always sticks to the proper
frame rate. Nothing ever glitches and oh my gosh, colorful, explosive,
you know, just like reds and greens and yellows and
like pain everywhere. It's so much.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Fun, excellent. Oh my gosh. My son actually played an
earlier iteration of that and I could not get over
the soundtrack. I don't know why, but the soundtrack killed me.
In an earlier version of it, you didn't like it.
It was talking about a bunch of things happening at once,
you know, exciting things on the screen. There was just
(16:36):
too much happening sonically, god thing o god.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Well, So those earlier versions of splittoon, I think are
a lot more like a call of duty, where it's like,
you know, a death match kind of thing. This one
is very exclusively a raid situation where you can do
multiplayer and you're just fighting against hordes of computer enemies
and it's I think you'd like it a lot, and
I think your son would like it a lot. Say,
(17:02):
maybe get a switch to so we can play it
online together.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
No, we'll see what happens. I'll look it up during
this ad break.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
See how much it costs. Actually, they're raising the price,
so you gotta get one soon.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Here's a mat and we've returned. What about some more voicemail?
What do you say?
Speaker 5 (17:28):
No?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
All right, Well, we'll see you next week. I said,
all right, oh, all right, all right. Well, then let's
hear a quick message from Ian. He had he listened
to the episode on conscription and was interested in thinking
a little further about a way we could implement some
form of basic training.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
So let's let's hear his th That was interesting.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
Hey there, guys, my name is Ian. You can use
this message on your show if you'd like to. I
was just listening to your most recent episode about conscription,
and I heard your comments about mandatory basic training, so
I stopped what I was doing to call y'all. I
feel like it could be a really good idea to
implement a mandatory basic training that more or less teaches
people basic s fields like first daid, CPR training, basic economics.
(18:15):
I think that it'd be a good way to implement
that would be to, you know, take a twelve education
and condense it down into graduating more or less at
the age of sixteen, but in the next four years
of your lives are almost like an apprenticeship with some
form of entity serving the community or your local infrastructure,
and that's where you get your basic training. Anyway, that's
(18:37):
what my thoughts are. Thanks appreciate you guys.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
So that came up, man, I think Ben brought up
the idea of community service, sort of mandatory community service.
You had the idea of just sort of basic maybe
not combat but self defense.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
You know, I was talking about combat training base.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Of course you were, of course you were. But I
love the idea. I mean, you know, there used to
be when we were kids, this like President's Physical Fitness
Challenge that Arnold Schwarz Ratzenega was like such a big
proponent of, or he was like a spokesperson of. And
I just remember I could never do a pull up
and I still can't. But I'm working on it, man,
I'm working on it. But it just doesn't seem like
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there's anything like that in the schools anymore. And I
guess it does make sense that if something like this
were to be implemented, that it would you know, the
education system is where it would start. But in this country,
our education system is so fragmented and fractured, and like
you know, frankly, everyone doesn't have access to the same stuff.
(19:39):
And this, at the end of the day, does seem
like the kind of idea that certain politicians might call socialists.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Yes, you know what I mean. I know exactly what
you mean. And I've been thinking about it a lot,
especially with the advent of AI and all these other things,
and the constant threat that everyone's kind of living under
now that their job will be replaced or is replaceable
or whatever. The idea that maybe apprenticeships are the way
(20:12):
to go, apprenticeships where you learn a thing extremely well.
In as Ian said like four years, like right after
you turn sixteen, just focus in on one thing, one
thing that is going to be helpful for society, for humanity,
for all of us. Maybe it's a local community, right,
and that's your local community then becomes the most important thing.
(20:36):
But that local community is providing perhaps resources to the
ones near it, right, and then it becomes a network
of local communities that kind of sustain things. I don't know,
it feels really good. It it reminds me. I keep
talking about the show Silo that I've been watching and
(20:56):
in that they have this concept of a shadow, someone
who's going to shadow you. When you're like the best
mechanic you know in the silo, you've got a shadow
who's going to be your replacement. Essentially, you've got all
the expertise that could possibly exist, all the wisdom. Now
this person is learning absolutely everything they can from you.
(21:17):
That would be a great thing to exist. Again, I
don't somebody out there who's been doing apprenticeships right through
maybe a trade school or with a trade where you've
actually shadowed someone in that way talk to us. Reach
out to us, either call our voicemail system, send us
an email, find us on Instagram, any of those things.
(21:38):
Tell us your experience, like how long did you train
under somebody, how much do you feel like you learned
from that person's wisdom and experience, and how far have
you gone, you know, and do you have somebody your apprenticing.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
It's interesting, Matt, because we're talking to about a time
where maybe some of the stuff was he was not
always entirely about economics. It was about pride in what
you do. It wasn't about like how can you market
this skill or what is it you know, break down
to on a balance sheet. It was about like being
(22:15):
the best at a thing and like a serving again
your community. I mean, like industrialization replaced the trade system
in a way, and now AI is just like another
version of that, like there have been many before it,
of course, but you gotta wonder, like what is an
AI proof skill? And I think the answer then becomes, well,
(22:37):
it's about a lack of community. We have suffered I
think greatly through COVID and through a lot of things
from a dissolution of this idea of like IRL community.
And you know, if we were to have intentional communities
where people had these physical skills, that's kind of a
(22:58):
I proof because you're taking care of other humans and
living together. And you know, why is it the only
version of that that we see requires some sort of
zombie apocalypse?
Speaker 2 (23:08):
You know, you're so right, dude. There could just be
a shift, right, a decision at some point that a
collective of humanity makes we reject this.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
We reject it and we just want to go back.
I mean, and I don't think there's a like a
short of like a government coming in and rounding these
people up or saying that you know, which not to
say that that couldn't happen or that wouldn't be all
of a sudden. What they represent is now a threat
to to commerce, a threat to you know, continued growth.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Right. But I think we talked about it a bit.
It's a bit anti American, anti government, right extremists that
might do something, and if you can label someone effectively
in the media, you could probably round them up.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
But when you look at what it actually is, it's
literally just people that want to take care of each
other and like live in a community where they have
some control over their destinies and their lives and they
don't have to worry about the stock market crashing because
of psychotic people and government and business or you know.
(24:17):
Just I mean, I see the I see the appeal.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Yeah, just you know, be careful who you talk to
you about that. Sorry too late.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Said what I said, But I feel you I do.
It's just it's just crazy that in like you know,
in popular culture, it seems like the versions of that
that we see are either like represented as Luddites or
like you know, Amish or something like that somehow disconnected
from civilization, as if they are like othered in a
(24:47):
negative way or extremists, Like you're talking about folks that
are anti government, that are like building bombs or zombie
apocalypse type stuff, you know, fallout type stuff. These communities,
Like it's that's the way we get it presented. There's
like very little talk or discussion in the mainstream of
that being a viable path to like being alive. And
(25:11):
that's pretty sad, twisted, agreed.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
And often there's an unseen, unknown force at play that
keeps everything on the rails, especially if it's a you know,
a version of a quasi utopian society. There's some dark
thing at the heart of those stories that keeps everything working.
I'm thinking about that show Silent, thinking about Fallout, I'm
(25:36):
thinking about a lot of these where there's a group,
how's it put a group that's willing to make the
hard decisions for the greater good right, which is often
what we've talked about on this show as being the
motivating force behind a lot of governmental institutions and countries
across the world, a lot of these larger international organizations,
(25:59):
you know, that keep economics going as they should so
that people don't think too hard about the fiat currency
they're carrying in their pockets and where that you know
money gets its power from.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Matt. Are you familiar with the TV series Paradise, I
am not. It's I don't. I haven't seen very much
of Silo, But I don't want to spoil anything about
the show because there is kind of like a thing
that happens in the first couple episodes that's sort of
a big reveal it. But it has a similar quality
to what you're describing and the unseen forces making the
(26:35):
quote unquote hard choices that are often justifying those hard
choices that they are very kind of evil in some
ways with that greater good argument, And we know there's
nothing scarier than a greater good argument, you know, in
the wrong hands. Right.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Oh, for sure, it could be used to justify many anything,
any number of things, as it does every day across
the world. We just were not really supposed to think
about it. It's not healthy to think about it, Noel,
as we were talking about before, it's not good for
your health. Well, speaking of unseen forces that are at
(27:14):
play that might do something for the greater good quote, I.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Thought you're just gonna leave it then it might do something,
And I was like, that is very vague.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Yeah, carry on that greater good arguments. Well, let's let's
hear from h R, who called in not longer ago.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
I thought you were an HR like we're finally getting the.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Boot, and I think it might be. Let's find out.
Speaker 7 (27:36):
All right, good evening, gentlemen. You can use my name
and message on air. This is HR calling in regards
to your USS liberty Part two episodes regarding USS liberty.
A false flag seems by far the most accurate, and
you started to touch on Iran, where I believe we
can safely assume that there are false flags occurring as
(27:58):
American as apple pie and propaganda of I would simply
add that when the American people don't buy the false
flag overseas, that's when you get a nine to eleven
event to garner support. America is approaching an election where
many voter suppression tactics have failed thus far, or at
the very least they fallen flat. What better way to
avoid the whole scene but an Iranian attack on American
(28:19):
soil for the October surprise, Just saying, I don't think
I'll be very surprised you guys touched on it gently,
but it's worth a deeper word for in a moment
where narratives are not holding up in real time, and
that is dangerous. Love the show, keep up the great work,
and I'll see you at the next meeting.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Right dude, that made my heart sink a little bit.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Did you notice that voice at the end there?
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Yeah, I heard there was another human on the on
the line.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Yeah, was that that was from my bedroom? Sorry? That
was my partner and I qing an episode on USS
Liberty and we're being a bit silly, but also having
a conversation about the October surprise that we've been talking
about quite quite a bit today.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Actually, yeah, we sure were. I think we're going to
do a series about it. I had to kind of
be refreshed. It's something that I sort of had inherently internalized,
you know, just from what experiencing it. But it is
this idea of like a twist, a big, a big
sea change thing that's been held back and deployed in
a very tactical manner in order to change the course
(29:27):
of events, right m hm. Usually politically, but it could
be in the in the case of like a conflict
or what have you.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Let's put it this way, there are a lot of
historical events that take place in October before a November election,
especially in the United States, that are seemed to be coincidental. Wow,
it's crazy that that happened just weeks before in election,
(29:56):
and it does seem to have changed public opinion about
one candidate or another, or about one situation or another
and the need to either keep a president in or
get a president out, or change the senators that we're
all voting for and all that kind of thing. There's
been a lot of coincidences. And as we know about coincidences,
they don't exist. No, I'm just kidding the sometimes they do.
(30:18):
But it is weird when you're talking about geopolitics, even
just you know, a state side politics things. It's weird
when these things occur.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
And let me be clear, you know, the content of
the October Surprise, because of the fact obviously it takes
place in October, always has to do with swaying votes,
changing the potential outcome of an election that might be
going in one direction or another. But what the surprise
actually is could be a revelation about a candidate that
the other side has been holding back. It could be
(30:50):
some something related to an ongoing conflict. So it's like
I said that the actual surprise itself, while wielded politically,
doesn't necessarily have to be inherently political.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Oh no, it just, according to the theory, has to
somehow move that election right, change it in some way.
It's a pretty serious thought though, in that message. Just conceptually,
as we watch things in the news and put puzzle
pieces together, the concept that something could happen this Arctober,
it does. It feels right like, it feels like it's
(31:25):
something might happen. But again, that's like doom and gloom thing, right.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
I don't know, Matt, I know, we get a little
flax sometimes for maybe being I don't know, like expressing
our political opinions too much or something like that. But
I just feel like we're in a situation now too
where it's not a big walk to say that it's
pretty likely that the assassination attempt on the president's life
was staged. Like it just feels like it was, you know,
(31:51):
based on a lot of information and just experiencing it,
and as the way they pulled the flag down and
then move the photographers to the other side. So I
just don't think it's inherently political. To observe horrific manipulative
acts being done, you know, by the current administration. I
just don't think we have an axe to grind against
(32:13):
Republicans per se. I really think that both sides are
pretty despicable. Like, I just think that politics is a
pretty gnarly game, and I don't really want anything to
do with it. And yet here we find ourselves in
this world, or at least in this country that is
so driven by it. But I just think this administration
in particular would love to do something completely false, flaggy,
(32:35):
you know, they would, and they're setting the groundwork for it,
and they, to the caller's point, have done everything they
possibly can to pass this Save America Act, you know,
a voter suppression. We've been hearing talk of deploying ice
at the polls and things like that, and I've been
trying to convince myself that, Nonna, they can't do that.
(32:55):
That's that's too obvious. I don't think it will work.
So I think maybe that just means they have to
do something more underhanded, more diabolical, and more you know, surprising. Yeah,
I don't know, man. Do you see it though, do
you see it in terms of what the level of
I see again now, I also feel like I'm ascribing
(33:17):
like these are. This is the most amoral, you know, politic,
political group that's ever existed. I just don't think that's
I think they're the most outwardly amoral, and they don't
want to hide it, they don't care about hiding it.
But I just think there are world events that do
feel this a little too convenient, that could well have
(33:37):
been perpetrated, you know, false flag type of tax manufactured outrage.
I just don't put it past any government or political
body to do something like that in order to stay
in power, and what they might argue is the greater good.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
See our episode on the Project for the New American Century,
Project for a New American Century, that's what it was called.
Just give that a listen, give it a look. Just
put it in a search bar, you'll see it. In
regards to that twenty twenty four attempted assassination of Donald Trump,
it I don't know if that would constitute an October
(34:18):
surprise because it changed in July.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
It changed such I agree.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
I just I wonder as we delve deeper into the
concept of an October surprise, if a July surprise could
also be lumped in with that, and why don't we
all take a moment to think about that. It's a
lot to chew on while we hear some ads, and
after we all buy some products, we'll hear more from
another listener and we're back all right. Just to stay
(34:53):
on the politics tip here, let's hear from night Shift,
who is a pretty constant caller here on the show.
It's gonna tell us about a political candidate in New Hampshire.
Speaker 5 (35:04):
Here we go, Hey, guys, listen night Shift. I was
just listening to the listener mail, the most recent one
where you're talking about a letter from k with the
funny presidential candidates or whatever in Britain. We have one
up here in New Hampshire. It's called Vermin Supreme is
his name, and he runs up the year where's big
(35:24):
boot on his head? Kind of funny and it's surprising
how many people actually vote for him. But just thought
I throw that out there. It's an interesting one, right,
speculator Matt, What.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
A great way to wrap up the episode of Vermin's.
I did not know about this guy. We were talking
about him with Dylan before we started recording. I think
in reference to Dylan is such a big fan of what
is Dylan? Captain count Ben Face, count Benface. I was
gonna say captain, and I would have yeah, been worthy
of scorn. This guy, Vermin Supreme, I was not aware
(35:58):
of at all, and I looked him up at the media.
They vote, I want to vote for him. I'm going
to write him in what a guy.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Yeah, I can't remember how I heard about him. I
wanted to say it had something to do with that group,
the yes Men at some point. I don't Maybe that's
a misremembering, or maybe he's been featured on The Daily
Show or something a long time ago, like back in
the day. I've seen this character and I've heard the
name Vermin Supreme, but I can't place it. I was
(36:26):
looking on ye old Wikipedia NOL and I saw that
in twenty twenty during the Libertarian presidential primaries, Vermin Supreme
received four thousand, two hundred and seventy seven votes, which
constituted nine point four percent of all the votes.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
So he's been at it for a minute.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Then he was only bested by Joe Jorgensen Joe Jorgensen
maybe and Jacob Hornberger, two people that I really don't
know much about and he was number three on that ticket.
Can you imagine if this Vermin supreme fellow was on
a national stage during like a major debate, although it
(37:10):
wouldn't it would never happen because we know how much
the RNC and DNC controlled those debates and they would
never let Vermin up there.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
I can't remember when this came up, but we were talking. Yeah,
it was, it was exactly. It was in this conversation
about count Benface and how in the UK it's a
lot easier to get traction as like a real fringe candidate.
And then that also is the case sometimes in certain
regions of Japan and elections where you got all these
like AI candidates and like you know, you know, like
(37:38):
a holograms and real absurd stuff. For whatever reason, our
political systems isn't set up for folks to like get
that far because there's a barrier to entry, of course,
in terms of finances, in terms of like again getting
a buy in from these major you know, groups that
control the major parties. I would love that, I really
really would love that if he were able, because he's
(38:00):
he's a performance artist, so he's essentially like kind of
lampooning the whole process. And I'm glad that he's getting
the attention that he's getting, which admittedly ain't enough because
I did not know anything about him. But he recently
posted on X the Everything app a picture that he
had manipulated of himself kind of peering over a field
(38:23):
of pigmy horses and saying Hello, Greenland, and it says
Soon and Just and he's like, he's got this big,
bushy gray beard and you can see the boot on
his head and he's just kind of leering at these
horses and just that is my level of absurdity right there.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
It may be since his Instagram feed is highly entertaining
all kinds craziness. What is his full name on X
on X.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
The Everything App? It is Vermin Supreme trademark King of
President America US A beautiful that's the title anyway. But
his his hat is simply Vermin Supreme. Glad he got
that lockdown?
Speaker 4 (39:07):
Got it?
Speaker 3 (39:07):
Glad he got that lockdown. It is funny though, because
in this image the Soon Greenland thing, you can't you
could just see the bottom of the boot hat and
it kind of just looks like he's wearing some sort
of like like he's a cardinal or something like wearing
one of those like cardinal type hats, you know, like
in the Catholic church. He boiled boy. It's it's it's
(39:30):
it's a pretty it's a pretty arresting image.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
It cover picture is him with shades on, with I
guess a massive toothbrush toothbrush, and then the.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Terminator eight hundreds, yeah, leering behind him.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Oh, that's gorgeous.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
He links to an org uspirates dot org. United States
Pirate Party. Us Pirate Party endorsed Jacob Anders for Tennessee's
fourth congressional district. Okay, I don't know about the us
Pirate Party, man, but i'll tell you what.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
It's very interesting.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
They've got some good branding, a lot of eye patches.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Yeah, it says no safe harbor no.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
And also the website is the most like GeoCities angel fire,
looking like nineties thing I've ever seen, and it's fantastic.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
It says here there's an about page. The United States
Pirate Party was founded in two thousand and six. It's
aligned with the International Pirate Movement. We support and work
toward reform of intellectual property laws. True governmental transparency, and
they're all about right to repair.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Yeah, they've got a platform page as well, putting individuals
before institutions, right to repair, opening for government in order
for citizens to control their democratic destiny. We need to
know what our government is doing. Oh yeah, opening up
government exactly. Transparency. Jeez, dude, have you seen the clip
of who's that horrible man that looks like when Pinocchio
(41:07):
became a real boy? Johnson, the Speaker of the House
with the rosy cheeks and the little tiny beady eyes. Yes,
you know what I mean. Doesn't he look like Pinocchio
became a real boy? I don't know. He just looks
like like a keebler elf kind of he There is
a thing where he's talking about the Democratic Socialist Parties
platform and he's reading it and all of it just
(41:27):
sounds really great, like things that would just be really nice,
like universal healthcare. But he's reading he's like, he's like
transparency for corporations, you know, and he's like saying in
this sinister way, and it's just landing so flat because
all of it just sounds lovely like it would be great.
It's a really funny clip. It's just a good example
(41:49):
of someone like, obviously he's speaking to a particular audience,
but out of the context of that audience that you
can't even see. It just looks like a person that's
falsely trying to make a bunch of like good stuff
sound bad.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Oh geez oh, yeah, I've definitely seen that kind of
thing before. You can watch people on your screens where
however big or small they are, who describe things like
being anti American or anti government and all these other things.
Anti fascist is all like enemies of the state somehow,
and it is just puzzling and confusing because being anti American,
(42:27):
like that concept of anti American that is one thing.
Anti government is a whole different thing, right.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
Well, connecting the two as if they're inextricable is the problem,
right You can in fact, wouldn't you say most are
founding fathers. Again, not like the biggest fan of them
all the time, either, but would argue that being questioning
government and skeptical is American and is patriotic.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
That this is precisely where I'm going here, because it's
to be anti government is like anarchist. If you're anti government,
you're ant that's if you're fully anti government. That means
you don't want people organizing things.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
You don't want a government.
Speaker 8 (43:07):
You're anti the concept of government, right, right, But disagreeing
with certain policies or laws or rules and regulations and
actions and all that stuff, that doesn't mean you're anti government.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
That means you disagree with those things, and perhaps you
would like to see it done a different way. Right,
that's not anti I just it's when you hear that
language thrown around you just realize, I mean that thing
you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
Well, and again to go down the list, continue down
the list of the United States Pirate Parties platform. Another
one is clean water. That sounds great, how controversial you know?
Clean water?
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, crazy stuff, man.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
And there are things on here that I could absolutely
see demonized and that maybe are pushing the bar a
little far. Foreign policy, we call for the free movement
of all people. There are folks that would turn that
into open borders and you know, unfettered immigration, you know.
But but then there are versions of that that basically
is just like honoring life to some.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
Degree, right, yeah. Do they even have a Pirate National
Committee a PNC?
Speaker 3 (44:24):
Hmm? Can we also just say we're discovering this in
real time, and that it's not like matter I are,
like promoting the United States Pirate Party, like I'm not
registered with any party. And I'll say it again, I
think both parties, and it's sad that we have to
have only have two, are pretty awful, you know. I mean,
the proof is in the pudding as far as what
(44:46):
you do and what you accomplish and like what legacy
you leave. But I just think, you know, the political
system that we have in this country is garbage.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
It's not the best because we see how it can
be you and corrupted and abused in all of those things.
But that that's pretty much every government across the board.
And I don't see a way to perfect it necessarily,
but it should be consistently improved, right.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
I'm also not an anarchist, and I'm not anti government
in the way that you described a minute ago. I'm
just kind of anti corruption and just anti dehumanization, you know,
And I don't think that should be controversial.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Either of those things doesn't sound like it to me.
We're just we're gonna wrap up here, y'all. I just
want to say a ton of people have been calling
in and writing in and we hear all of you.
We appreciate all of your opinions, even if you are,
you know, criticizing us a bit for perhaps an AD
(45:49):
choice or an AD that ended up on our show
and we didn't even mean for it to that, We
didn't know it was going to be there. Y'all are
reaching out to us for all sorts of reasons. You know.
Our favorite always is, hey, I have this personal experience
with a thing you guys talked about, and I can
give you more perspective, right, or a closer look at
something like that. Well, we do appreciate criticism as long
(46:11):
as you are, you know, trying to keep an open
mind the way we attempt to every week.
Speaker 3 (46:16):
And also like you know, respectful to some degree, right,
But we want to hear it right. No, No, But
what I'm saying is is, you know you're not gonna
we're not We're we're pretty self reflective people, and we're
we try to keep it over my mind about just
about everything. And like you're not going to really make
your point if you call us buttholes, you know, because
we're certainly not doing anything like someone wrote in about
(46:37):
you know, our discussion about COVID, and you know, like
really criticized this for not going through Anthony Fauci's diaries
one line at a time, and it's just there's a
lot to glean there, for sure, But we didn't leave
that out on purpose because we had an agenda of
some kind. It's just, yeah, I don't even remember the
(46:57):
context in which this person was referring to this person's referring,
but we certainly would never actively leave things out. We're
also human and make mistakes and forget things or or
we do leave things out, but it's biomission, not like intention,
and try to see things as clearly as possible. That's
that's what we're trying
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